Did we watch the same video, because your commentary is different or bias, the pastor ask him a simple question and he couldn't answer it, the Muslim dude was talking about line of transmission that didn't relate to the question for the sake of time and also the conversation wasn't going anywhere he ended it, did I get it wrong, so why his this KZitemr spitting nonsense? Simple question prove that the Quran is the word of God even this KZitemr can't prove that
@dwnetka
Ай бұрын
It depends on what prove you want/need.
@ibrahimghadie6412
Ай бұрын
He answered, we have the chain of narration going back to the prophet, the same way he read it we read it which means its preserved. So since we know that the quran we read now was read by the prophet, its up to you to believe its from god or not. But if you dont believe its from god, bring something like it or dont say its not from god. But the pastor got destroyed by the young man and by himself aswell, by saying no book is from god including the bible
@austine2680
Ай бұрын
Don’t bother to even engage with his channel. This guy edits like you wouldn’t believe and put false narrative in the very very obvious Christian explanation of things. And is so warped that he can only choose one verse at a time and flip it to a bunch of other verses, to even try to make sense to argue against the Bible. This guy is nonsense.
@Cheldesho
Ай бұрын
Why does jesus doesn't know the hours?? 😂
@austine2680
Ай бұрын
@@Cheldesho Scripture sometimes speaks of Christ as equal to God in his divinity and at other times as less than the Father in his humanity. That verse was the latter.
@kmorais92
Ай бұрын
sam shamoun
@sandman1133
Ай бұрын
The injil was not preserved? 6:115 of Surah Al-An'am of the Quran states, "The Word of your Lord is perfect in truth and justice. None is there to change His words, and He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing". So was it preserved or is the quran lying?
@Guts_Brando
Ай бұрын
Quran is meant to be the literal word of god, not "divine inspirations" so fuck off you clown
@acatnamedrynnn
Ай бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/mqd3qp-vcmJimqQsi=4XxLZAfWm7WAuhFf I wanna answer your question but i think Dr zakir naik answers you better , basically you can't just take one sentences from the Quran to understood the real meaning , you either have to read the whole surah to know what is the God Almighty referring to or talk about because in studying the Quran theres a "muhkamat verses" Where its a clear , established , decisive word from the Quran and the other one is "mutashabih verses" Where the word is ambiguous , allegorical and you need to study deeper or ask the scholar whom studies the scripture to actually know the meaning/stories behind that verses
@dwnetka
Ай бұрын
Firstly, what is the Bible? Do you think the Bible written by men is the same what was revealed to Jesus pbuh? Yes, God's words won't change. The verse you stated, if I change it, it doesn't mean that God's word changed because I changed the verse. Your lies won't change anything about God and his words.
@ibrahimghadie6412
Ай бұрын
Read the verse right before it. Its talking about the revelation sent to the prophet. Y’all are embarrassing fr😭😭
@sss-ln3xg
Ай бұрын
Muslims generally consider both the Quran and the Bible to be revelations from God, but they believe that while the Quran has been perfectly preserved without corruption, the same cannot be said for the Bible. The Quran itself asserts its own perfection and preservation (Surah Al-Hijr 15:9), emphasizing that God's word is immutable and incorruptible. This belief leads Muslims to view the Quran as the ultimate and unaltered revelation of God's truth, while they may perceive the Bible as having undergone changes and distortions over time due to human intervention. Thus, while both texts are revered as divine revelations, the Quran is seen as the ultimate and uncorrupted source of guidance for Muslims. The Quran does not explicitly use the term "corrupted" in reference to the Bible. However, there are verses that suggest the Quran's position on the alteration or distortion of previous scriptures. Muslims generally interpret these verses as implying that the previous scriptures, including the Bible, have undergone changes over time. in Surah Al-Baqarah (2:75-79), it is mentioned that some people distort the scripture with their tongues while attributing it to God, seeking worldly gain. Another verse, Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:13), criticizes certain Jewish scholars for altering words from their context and replacing them, saying, "Woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands and then say, 'This is from Allah,' in order to exchange it for a small price." These verses are often interpreted by Muslims to indicate that the previous scriptures, including the Torah and the Gospel, have been altered by human hands, leading to deviations from the original message.
@sandman1133
Ай бұрын
"The quran isn't even a book. The quran is an oral tradition...my friend has memorized it from COVER TO COVER." What cover? What is it covering? Sometimes the jokes write themselves
@Chingbong1
Ай бұрын
haha but stay safe they will not take very kindly to truth
@sandman1133
Ай бұрын
@@Chingbong1 this guy can't defend his religion. I am not afraid but thanks either way
@ibrahimghadie6412
Ай бұрын
Its an oral tradition but its written on a book, and you can read it and memorize it. If you tell me a sentence over and over again i will memorize it, but i can also write it down and pass it to my children and make them memorize it through reading the sentence i wrote instead of passing it orally. In conclusion, you can memorize something through a book that was passed oraly. Y’all seem to have no common sense
@Akz007
Ай бұрын
Sandman is paggered dw ill give u sme zam zam
@Chingbong1
Ай бұрын
@@ibrahimghadie6412 an oral tradition doesn't need a book. Its not necessary. What you're trying to say is muslims and their kids aren't very good at memorizing their one and only important so they need the written material as a safety net. Even if you memorized it it's not very helpful. Memorizing random nonsense from that book doesn't help the world recover from islamic terrorism or the damage it has already been causing since its inception.
@user-iz3su9xv6r
2 ай бұрын
Taqiyya deception
@ChErRyaVe20pK
Ай бұрын
where was the taqiyya lmao?
@ReturnToJesus-te6rp
Ай бұрын
Jesus the only Living God.. if God is love only Jesus has the quality to be called as God... May the true Living God Jesus bless all...
@Nori20374
Ай бұрын
So where are the uncorrupted version of the Bible?? Who is the author of the Quran??
@merajsamarasinghe985
Ай бұрын
I watched this video... Actually these two Muslims got educated...... Please watch this video and decide......
@TASoma.
2 ай бұрын
cliffe isnt a debater btw he is very peaceful about islam
@marvelstark3797
Ай бұрын
i agree.. in the whole discussion cliffe just ended the discussion because he said, it will ended nothing for their conversation just keep on repeating. esp when the muslim says that the quran is the word of allah which is very impossible to believe.
@rosettekalombo3072
Ай бұрын
Fr the worst part is that the whole thing took about an hour. The Muslims just kept going after him. He answers their question and they still go after him. That why he was tired.
@donynasem9396
Ай бұрын
You can say or claim whatever you want but we Christian and Jews are the people of the book.So if you have doubt to say that the Torah and the Injeel is corrupted please show us the original one.
@dwnetka
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂 good point but we don't need to show. There are many contradictions in the Bible which means it's man made!
@ibrahimghadie6412
Ай бұрын
You’re the ones who KNOW you dont have the original scriptures, since you dont have it, YOU have to prove its preserved 😭😭🤣🤣
@rosettekalombo3072
Ай бұрын
@@ibrahimghadie6412 do you know that we have all the original books of the Bible. The oldest book found is 1000 years before Muhammad. So if it almost impossible to change the Bible. Now tell us if we still have the original injal it's means Islam if false
@rosettekalombo3072
Ай бұрын
@@dwnetkaContridictions in the quran 1) How long is one day according to Allah a) 1 day is equivalent to 100 years (22:7) b) 1 day is equivalent to 50000 years (70:4) 2) how long did Allah take to create the earth. a) 6 days ( 7:45, 10:3, 11:7, 26:59) b) 8 days (41:12-19) 3) What created first a) Earth was created first (22:29, 41:9) b) Heaven was created first (79:27-30) 4) did Noahs sons drown a) All of Noahs family survived (21:76) b) Noahs son drowned (11:43) 5)did pharaoh drown or survived a) Pharaoh survived (10:92) b)Pharaoh drowned (28:40, 17:103, 43:55) 6) Does Allah reward the good deeds of non believers a) No (9:17) b) Yes (99:7) 7)Is there compulsion in religion a) No (2:256) b) Yes (9:29) 8)who is salvation for a) For all pious thiest (5:69) b) For Muslims only (3:85) 9)Can Allah have sons if he wants to a) yes (39:4) b) no (6:101) 10)(my favourite) Who was the first Muslim a) Mohomad (39:12, 6:14, 6:163) b) Adam(2:37, 3:33) c)Moses (7:143) d)Abraham (2:132) e)Some Egyptian (26:51) f) Jesus and his disciples (3:52, 5:111) 11) Did Meccans receive any prophets before Mohomad? a) no(28:46) b)yes (2:125) 12)what should Muslims do to non believers on the last days. a) Nothing (45:14) b) Fight them (9:29) 13) who will judge people a)Mohomad (5:109) b) God (2:143) 14) Who is the only one who can forgive sins? a) Allah (3:135) b) Allah and Mohomad (4:64, 33:36) 15)Does satan mislead Muslims a) Yes (7:16) b) No (38:82)
@ibrahimghadie6412
Ай бұрын
@@rosettekalombo3072 LOOLL🤣🤣🤣🤣 THE PROPHET MOHAMMAD pbuh came 600 years after jesus, so jesus did not even exist 1000 years before the prophet mohammad, let alone the bible that was written 300 years after jesus 🤣🤣the knowlege you guys have is embrassing
@sandman1133
Ай бұрын
Ill ask you as a muslim...was Jesus good?
@skakvac
Ай бұрын
of course he was good, he was prophet of God.
@sandman1133
Ай бұрын
@@skakvac so then what was Jesus really saying when He said there's no one good but God?
@kenietech1679
Ай бұрын
@@sandman1133that's because you don't understand what Jesus said in that verse you didn't even read the chapter you are just quoting dawas, find the truth yourself learn how to read bro
@sandman1133
Ай бұрын
@@kenietech1679 I think you're confused. I don't do the dawahs
@skakvac
Ай бұрын
@@sandman1133 to tell you that he Jesus is not God
@Redspawn208
Ай бұрын
The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran. If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning. So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost. And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?
@andreasavelli0
Ай бұрын
"The bible is corrupted" yet Quran 6:114 says nobody can change the word of God, so is the Bible the word or God or not? Make up your mind. Also, your sunna was written 300 years after the facts by someone not even from Arabia, and you talk about corruption? Hilarious. What about Uthman needing to burn the different versions of the Quran if it was so uncorrupted? Keep believing your fairy tales.
@ibrahimghadie6412
Ай бұрын
Read the verse right before it, its talking about revelation sent to the prophet pbuh. Y’all make jokes of yourselves it’s embarrassing 😭.
@dwnetka
Ай бұрын
What is the Bible? Do you think the Bible written by men is the same what was revealed to Jesus pbuh? Yes, God's word won't change. The verse you stated, if I change it, it doesn't mean God's word changed because I changed the word. Your lies won't change anything about God or his words.
@sss-ln3xg
Ай бұрын
Muslims believe that the Quran is the unchanged and perfect word of God, while they view the Bible as having undergone alterations over time. This belief is based on Quranic verses that emphasize the preservation of God's word and suggest changes to previous scriptures by human hands. Additionally, while the Sunnah was compiled after the Prophet Muhammad's death, it underwent rigorous authentication processes by scholars. The compilation of the Quran during Uthman's caliphate aimed to preserve its unity and avoid discrepancies in recitation, not due to concerns about corruption.
@andreasavelli0
Ай бұрын
@@ibrahimghadie6412 5:46 "Then in the footsteps of the prophets, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah revealed before him. And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah-a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing." So it appears that the gospel and the torah is the word of God. But he couldn't protect it? He can protect only the Quran? Weird. About 6:114 : "[Say], "Then is it other than Allāh I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book [i.e., the Qur’ān] explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters." (Sahih Int.) Guess what, it seems to talk about the Quran, THEN the Scripture. So the Scripture still seems to be from God. Still, why did he only protect the Quran?
@andreasavelli0
Ай бұрын
@@dwnetka To my knowledge, Jesus never got a book or a series of revelations. the Bible is man made. Yours can be an interpretation, but it means that it is possible we lose the true word of God out of corruptions
@mahender6969
Ай бұрын
Lost the debate to atheists sso many time.
@user-qp8xz4nk4j
Ай бұрын
Why should God Limited him Self. That is an illogical argument. Jesus never said that he was the limited god. his words are clear and unmistakable. the father is greater than me. Follow the truth before its to late.
@williamvandenberg2295
Ай бұрын
Right there at 6:27 he makes a false claim,' Everything I do is through the POWER..." Jesus didn't say that, he said in John 5:19 " “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.." Further he goes into a false argument about mass transmission, we know that the Roman Empire existed because of historical records, coins, monuments et c. And that chain of narration has been proven to be full of holes, "There are holes in the islamic narrative. " said Yasir Qadi, we know it now. And now you say that the pastor '' can't prove that the Bible is the word of God'' which is a misquote, thus, you lie. You say you categorically reject blind faith? 3:7 ''WE BELIEVE IT ALL'' no questions asked 5:101, "O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you." don't ask just believe blindly, so you deny the quran and reject "allah's'' words? way to go liar!!! So, if the Bible is corrupt, why did Mo. say in 5:25 "O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." the Bible that exists today is the same one in Mo's time and that one says that YOU ARE WRONG!!! ALSO, if Jesus was born with no male intervention the question is , "Who is the father of Jesus and who's son is he?" And the answer is , "He is the Son of God" By the quran's admission. The verse you quote is a misquote, proving the quran false again because you've changed the words of ''allah'' 4:171 "O people of the Book, be not excessive in your Faith, and do not say about Allah anything but the truth.The MasīH ‘Īsā, the son of Maryam, is only a Messenger of Allah, and His Word that He had delivered to Maryam, and a SPIRIT from Him." Jesus is god's WORD and a SPIRIT, not a soul, YOU LIED AGAIN!!!!!! without the lies, islam dies! loser
@superanimals2874
Ай бұрын
Bro copied sfy talk video
@skakvac
Ай бұрын
so what is the problem if i want to promote him, i have more followers on my channel than him?
@monashafeek9029
2 ай бұрын
The Koran is the word of GOD and this is the true miracle of prophet Mohamed may peace be upon him لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله 🤲🤲🤲❤️❤️❤️
@marvelstark3797
Ай бұрын
stop it. how do you know? prove it...
@monashafeek9029
Ай бұрын
@@marvelstark3797 I know and I can prove it pretty well but I guess we will have to meet and debate can't be done on utube all my respect to your beliefs
@marvelstark3797
Ай бұрын
@@monashafeek9029 well, there's nothing wrong in here if you will just comment all your argument i think. so everyone can read it.
@saljohn1118
Ай бұрын
I'm Christian and I can see the trinity from The book of Genesis and continues till the book of Revelation. I read quran and quran say The Holy Bible is preserved, do you want to say quran made a mistake? Look what quran tell us to follow: قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَسْتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ حَتَّىٰ تُقِيمُوا التَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُم مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ----المائدة68 This verse is saying---Oh People of the book you are standing on nothing until you implement what is in the Torah and the Injeel and what was cast to you from your lord. People of the book=Jews and Christians. My question to muslims, if The Torah and Injeel were not preserved as you claim, why quran is telling us to follow the Torah and Injeel? I read quran in Arabic and I can teach the guy who owns this channel Arabic, I don't think he speaks Arabic.
@skakvac
Ай бұрын
So you can teach me you say? :) funny Tell me something, why dont you post verses from the Quran where God speak about corruption of the Bible? why dont you post verse from the bible where it says that Bible is corrupted book? Nobody claims that whole bibile is lie, it only means that is it corrupted partially, and there are some truths in it, nobody denies that. God is asking you why dont you not even follower that true which bible tells you...but no, you dont want that, you follow Paul, you are followers of Paukl not Jesus. The true followers of Jesus are only muslims right now.
@sandman1133
Ай бұрын
@@skakvac so the Quran contradicts itself? The injil was not preserved? 6:115 of Surah Al-An'am of the Quran states, "The Word of your Lord is perfect in truth and justice. None is there to change His words, and He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing". So was it preserved or is the quran lying?
@sandman1133
Ай бұрын
@@skakvac how can it be corrupted partially if "NONE is there to change His words" NONE, as in, not one person...nobody...at all
@sss-ln3xg
Ай бұрын
@@sandman1133 it's talking about the quran not everything is about the bible
@saljohn1118
Ай бұрын
@@skakvac There are no verses speaks about corruption of the bible, in fact, it is the opposite. You give me the verses and I'll give you the tafseer for each verse. Adding to that, I will give you hadith for mohammad himself confirming The Torah is 100% preserved. Bring it on, I challenge you.
@rorybluez8809
Ай бұрын
Who said Muhammad talk to Allah answer : no found in the koran
@rorybluez8809
Ай бұрын
Who wrote the quran? Answer : unknown😢😅
@skakvac
Ай бұрын
unknown to you , but known to us muslims. GHod revealed Quran via angel Gabriel to Muhammed, muhammed recited to his scribers and they wrote it down. that is how Quran came down from God to humanity.
@sandman1133
Ай бұрын
And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allah), We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), And then certainly should have CUT OFF HIS LIFE ARTERY (Aorta), (Quran 69:44-46, Muhsin Khan) ….Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O ‘Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if MY AORTA IS BEING CUT from that poison.” (Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713)
@molahore
Ай бұрын
@skakvac haha your prophet claimed to speak only what he heard from God but he didn’t even know where the sun sets: “I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).” Narrated Sahih(al-Albani) Sunan Abu dawood 4002 How can he know what happened to Jesus 600 years ago when he doesn’t even know where the sun was setting everyday 😂😂
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