The great debunker of any belief system talks with Luc Sala in Amsterdam about "The black hole of (any) belief", from disease to divinity. UG died 22 march 2007. A critical interview.
The best is when he starts talking about reaction and action, I doubt anyone understands it till this day :D
@Adeikov
11 жыл бұрын
His words are like music in my ears releasing me from my delusions. I wish I had his brain, I wish he were still alive, we need more of him.
@GPack17
15 жыл бұрын
It's been awhile since you posted this, so I guess I'm joining in on the conversations late...oh well. I've been reading some scattered bits of U.G. here and there lately, and he doesn't actually vilify all thought, from what I've read. Its pragmatic use for things like planes, boats and getting food are not looked down upon. When he attacks thought, it seems mostly centered on our idle inner monologue and all our big Theories of Truth, which are always merely theories and never truth.
@AndyMossMetta
14 жыл бұрын
All that U.G says is wise. Rather than worry about 'life', 'death', 'reincarnation' and other concepts rather ground yourself in the faithful understanding that 'you' will always be 'aware' of a moment. Indeed we ARE time itself-the eternal flowing moment. No stagnancy here!!
@hearts0ngs
14 жыл бұрын
In my darkest despairing moments I view life in UG's way. Luckily I have previously touched a pleasure BEYOND the five-sense-world before, in meditation, and the recollection of this happiness gets me through those dark moments. My level of understanding is still in it's infancy, but I can state that awareness and mind are two separate things. The experience of this was a joy OTHER than the sensual. It was a glimpse for me of higher wisdom, to which I offer reverence. We are NOT just automatons!
@devalah
12 жыл бұрын
he may have had indeed :) - as an individual I have to admit that when I discovered him, it was like the deepest sigh of relief. I like that you've used the term 'tool' 'cause I believe that is what each of us should be for the other - in the most, dignifying, egoless, giving, nurturing, unconditional way. even many of those who uphold the principle of 'oneness' forget to apply it - we should 'use' each other (lovingly), since by that we are only helping ourselves indistinctively
@Cordaxy
15 жыл бұрын
That day, when U.G. came back home from the restaurant he looked in the mirror to find that there was something odd about his eyes--they were 'fixed'. He kept looking in the mirror for a long time and observed that his eyelids were not blinking. For almost forty-five minutes he stared into the mirror--still no blinking of the eyes! 'Instinctive blinking was over for me, and it still is.' 3:53
@devalah
12 жыл бұрын
:) I've also picked up his biography at some point and I intend to resume it along with researching about him as soon as possible. also there is some common ground between him and Jiddu Krishnamurti who as a young man was considered to be the next Messiah but later on broke loose from his earlier elite 'entourage' - it's interesting to watch these great men's speeches in their latest period
@SOCRATES012
13 жыл бұрын
I do enjoy the uniqueness of UG. True genius amongst all of creation
@Piramidedecuarzo
15 жыл бұрын
Hello, I said it too direct. My opinion is that UG is a example of the psychological phenomenon called emulation. The human life needs something to live. A master wins money. A carpenter too. Greetings.
@VDJ4500
16 жыл бұрын
great, he was really honest man, so direct..truly, the negation is the way to explain it.
@MysticOfTheSands
12 жыл бұрын
He said in one interview "I have no friends, but that doesn't mean I hate everybody; also, I have no enemies but that doesn't mean I love everybody". Treat people as they come. They need something, give. They don't need anything, don't give. They come visit--good, ENJOY it. They don't come visit, don't miss them. But you can't force yourself do be like that. "It has nothing at all to do with what you do or don't do" as UG put it. "Natural State" is a good name for it indeed... :)
@devalah
12 жыл бұрын
don't be sad or angry, you will come to your (elevate) senses and recover from your error
@bleed2299
16 жыл бұрын
Thought is the enemy. Be still and know that I am God.
@ShunyaYoga
14 жыл бұрын
U.G Krishnamurti was in a deep sleep, as far away from his liberation of suffering as can be. He has much borrowed knowledge which has has manipulated intellectually into his own interpretation of existence, but no transformation has occurred. And that is the quality of every master, the very presence of the man emanates a certain fragrance. Without saying anything, it is a finger pointing towards the inexpressible. U.G was not awakened, but he has said a few significant things here and there.
@mojopum
13 жыл бұрын
Some people are not ready to accept this because they want mild explanations, this is it whatever it is. I don't want to repeat it. You hear it and you feel it!
@Rnanubandha
16 жыл бұрын
i just love the guy, such a gentleman, to be free even from to the need to be free... how kind
@Cezzaras
16 жыл бұрын
I can't stop lovin him.
@OvidiuTrif
14 жыл бұрын
I am though Impressed to find that I was thinking what he's saying all this time, and that is that "we believe everything around us has been created for us to use it" and that is the rationale for our misery
@ShunyaYoga
16 жыл бұрын
Such is a very natural course of action when one looks into the extent of just how much those systems condition the mind into a certain comfortable pattern of looking at things. All words are mere symbols for thoughts, ideas, feelings, states of existence, deeper realities. And how are belief systems understood ? Through means of the limitations of language. Anything which is given pre-prepared kills one's inherent intelligence, and Truth can only be satisfying as a result of one's own insights.
@FrankenBeenz
17 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, very interesting guy. But wheres the rest of this interview? It seems like it cuts off in the middle.
@joshrain1
15 жыл бұрын
blinking does not stop. but you blink less, you become more focused. you can try it, focus on your self and when you feel empty you will see your eyes fixated. i can tell from my personal experience.
@Velasca
13 жыл бұрын
@TheSeekingIsOver And Krishna shivered at UG's feet!
@VDJ4500
16 жыл бұрын
exactly and that's why is the most reliable!
@Jankuks14
13 жыл бұрын
... only one thing has to be remembered: when you are fragile in your growth, people like U.G. Krishnamurti can destroy you. These people have missed their life, and now they are living in frustration. And in frustration people start behaving like women. They start breaking things, throwing things. That's what U.G. Krishnamurti is doing.
@redaeL99
12 жыл бұрын
yups . I can understand what you want to explain and am in that same process of discovery. I would love to read more and gain more. Please link your blog.
@devalah
12 жыл бұрын
thanks, :) I know it and I enjoyed her speech a lot - and don't worry, I don't think anyone really knows what to make of Jesus Christ (except for a few perhaps :) but you've said what matters the most - that his message deeply resonates with you; this is where the focus should go,whether or not Christ historically existed that again is a distracting problem of the mind (although I am aware that in Christianity the acknowledgement of Christ cannot be conceived without its 'historical' existence)
@MysticOfTheSands
13 жыл бұрын
"A man should be mourned at his birth, not at his death. " Charles de Secondat
@szmako
14 жыл бұрын
@No3Patriot I like this way of interpreting F.E.A.R.! But we do not have ego! How can you achieve(is it an illusion to achieve) being freed from thoughts/words? or that is the way we are?
@arctifox88
15 жыл бұрын
I can clearly see that his eyes are blinking, while he said that after the calamity the instinctive blinking of his eyelids had stopped.
@bleed2299
16 жыл бұрын
Have you ever had a problem that you couldn't figure out? Then, when you quit thinking about it, the answer comes. Where did it come from? Silence. Go to that silence. Be that silence. Thinking and thought get in the way of that silence. We are bombarded with thoughts everyday from media and it has not made us more peaceful, but silence would.
@34672rr
10 жыл бұрын
This guy has REAL substance in what he says, not like the other Krishnamurti who just speaks in disconnected abstractions (although very beautifully). UG Krishnamurti understand how idiotic religion is, and how everyone, especially religious leaders think they are all enlightened. Jesus was just a human that other told he was enlighted. If he really was what he said he was, and what people think he was, he would still be here today. Same goes for all "prophets".
@arctifox88
15 жыл бұрын
His first name is Krishnamurti, and UG is an abbreviation for his family name Uppaluri Gopala.
@qigong1001
15 жыл бұрын
UG's criticism is of scientists who come to him saying "this is how it IS (reality)". His thinking on this issue is in line with Einstein who said, "NO AMOUNT OF EXPERIMENTATION CAN EVER PROVE ME RIGHT, BUT A SINGLE EXPERIMENT CAN PROVE ME WRONG." Karl Popper is probably the only 20th century philosopher whose rationale is applied by modern scientists around the world. This leads to my main criticism of U.G. He would see he has more in common with the people he attacks than he thinks.
@devalah
12 жыл бұрын
yeah, well 'soul' just like 'mind' or anything else for that matter is merely a concept, a convention, only necessary here because we are...talking, communicating through this type of language. So while I can use these terms and concepts, I can just as well talk about them not existing except as terms and concepts, but than again that falls within the same (limited/compromised) circle, and it is language all the same :) I like this man especially for being that trigger of 'beyond the language'
@ur1234562001
16 жыл бұрын
This the best thing I ever heard..
@MysticOfTheSands
12 жыл бұрын
Mind you, that doesn't mean you "should have no feelings". Not at all. Feeling is as natural as breathing.
@szmako
13 жыл бұрын
@Hilarion1771 You can have fear when attacked by ... (anything you want), and at the same time being brave. To have fear, happiness is natural! To my way of thinking, there is no body and you separated, it is all one. It is a never ending story to agree or disagree about who's wrong or right. Have a nice day!
@VDJ4500
16 жыл бұрын
because he gives you no hope... he is an honest man bro - he doesn't play tricks on you, so your expectations will be fulfilled. He only talks about when "that" can happened to a man and why it will never happen. and he talks about us wasting our energy to understand it, we never will, so you've done right thing. you need experiences, you need an entertainment, you need satisfactions, move on. He was beyond that. peace.
@utoove
16 жыл бұрын
I'm still wondering whether UG's statements are corret or not, I have no way to know it but, I can say one thing about UG is very intelligent and clever that's all.
@KarthikSoun
15 жыл бұрын
wow.. hw come Views has gone up from 400 to 45,000..!! its cool that a lot of ppl get to hear the destroyer.. :)
@NeosimianSapiens
12 жыл бұрын
"Please link your blog." KZitem seems to be preventing me from posting the link, but you can find the link in my KZitem profile. My blog is science-oriented, but it does NOT denigrate “spiritual” explanations. The blog's theme is that we now possess scientific knowledge that sheds light upon the teachings of past sages.
@neelu1966
15 жыл бұрын
UG is great, Siva himself born on the earth
@Metaemipricus
14 жыл бұрын
my respect for UG has increased manifold. especiall after seeing the exploits of gurus like nithyananda and ravishankar.
@OvidiuTrif
14 жыл бұрын
@szmako He speculated there's no fear in the body, while actually there is shaking and all that..
@GPack17
15 жыл бұрын
Time and again, he refers to thinking as a tool to accomplish tasks like finding food and shelter, valid for such purposes. What he takes (or took) exception to was that thought could ever capture the Truth. Any such notion would simply be another thought, and any thought is simply that, a thought, and not what it tries to represent.
@jakescorpion1
11 жыл бұрын
he's talking about Karma at 7:07. Karma means doing from Sanskrit. It's not about another life etc. He is right it's an action on your part.
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 Whatever we know about the 'natural state' is through UG's interpretation. He may be wrong about it not having anything to do with spirituality. He may be right. All we have are his words. We in turn interpret his words. We can't apply what UG says to animals, since we can't know for certain what UG's state is without being in that 'state' ourselves, nor do we have access to animal consciousness to compare with UG's state.
@springville59
15 жыл бұрын
can smmbody make the translation to spansih subtituls pleas?
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 I see what you mean. Yes, that is a form of reductionism. In cognitive science there is a school called eliminative materialism i.e. eliminating the 'mental' by explaining phenomena in terms of physiological processes. I was just using negation in the sense that, say, an atheist would negate the very idea of God, and not reduce God to talk of physical properties. I think UG is similarily negating the very idea of the 'spiritual', and not reducing it to mere physiology.
@arctifox88
15 жыл бұрын
If somebody doesn't preach Christ doesn't mean that he/she is evil. And UG from what I've read didn't seem to have any kind of ideology, I think he was like ancient Greek Cynics and Skeptics or Japanese Zen Buddhists (like Bankei Yōtaku).
@arctifox88
15 жыл бұрын
In what context did he say about the last knot? And by the way, how did you get to know UG?
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 JK never really negated anything at all, he simply said "truth is a pathless land" while still retaining the foundational concept of truth (i.e. spirituality, enlightenment, etc). "The question itself must disappear" isn't reductionism, it's negation. Reductionism reduces a proposition to something else, more basic. Negation negates the proposition, by falsifying the premise. Of course negation itself isn't anything new, but there's more to what UG is saying than negation.
@NeosimianSapiens
12 жыл бұрын
Is Jiddu "authentic?" Well, I read his book "The Awakening of Intelligence" and found it hugely unconvincing. He sounded to me like someone who had been raised to be a World Teacher and eventually realized he wasn't, but had no training to be anything except a wise man speaking of such things. I am quite possibly wrong about all this, of course, but when I compare JK with Osho, UGK, Tolle, Adyashanti and others I find JK's lack of clarity disturbing. I may be utterly wrong about this.
@bounteousbuilders2386
11 жыл бұрын
encouraging and dianamic
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 Ok, I see what you were saying now. Still, UG often said one can never free oneself from conditioning. As long as there is a mind or consciousness, it is bound to be conditioned. The conditioning helps the body to survive in the social and physical world. The natural state isn't an unconditioned state, it is one in which conditioning doesn't interfere with the functioning of the organism.
@marcelia3
12 жыл бұрын
continue....some will probebly say that it's selfish to think of your own karma and rob the beggar from fulfilling his but as I see it,the beggar could also raise his karma by giving you the opportunity to work on yours.
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 Except UG is saying that everyone is unique, and that whatever happened to him cannot be placed within any kind of 'mystic' tradition.
@qigong1001
15 жыл бұрын
Quite the opposite. He seems passionate and very truthful. He makes people uncomfortable with his logic, and thus peoples reactions tend to be ad hominem or accusational. You don't have to like what he says, but his views tend to be very consistent with the reality of how things are.
@NeosimianSapiens
12 жыл бұрын
No, RedaeL99, I am not "in search of enlightenment or the meaning of life." I am interested in what is real. We cannot know everything, but we can discover misconceptions. Along this path of discovery enlightenment is an inevitable by-product. As for the "meaning of life," that's a non-problem, since sentience is itself the source of meaning. It's not possible to explain all this in a brief KZitem comment. You can visit my blog if you'd like to hear more.
@redaeL99
12 жыл бұрын
so what do you mean? Is jiddu not authentic? I am reading his conversation, its interesting and I find it real. Yeah but it also takes time for me to realize what he says.
@NeosimianSapiens
12 жыл бұрын
@redaeL99 No, and thank goodness for that. Jiddu was far less clear. To this day I'm not sure if he was faking it or not.
@AnthonyGarcia-od7fu
11 ай бұрын
La humanidad es una creencia, somos animales humanizados por el pensamiento, con una sociedad basada en reglas, los animales comen para ser comidos y no registran eso como perdida o ganancia, el pensamiento es tan egoísta que crea panteones para guardar el cuerpo y el cuerpo se descompone en millones de gusanos, sigue viviendo en una sociedad sin valores, usted colabora con el otro porque de ti y del otro depende la mutua supervivencia. Las naciones se respetan por sus armas y sus ejércitos ,no por el amor y la fraternidad, esos valores son pensamientos románticos de poetas y escritores que los políticos acomodan a sus intereses rapaces. Cuando la humanidad abandone la idea de un dios, se acaban las guerras..
@szmako
14 жыл бұрын
@No3Patriot For you too! Good night!
@marcelia3
12 жыл бұрын
I see some simularities with my Dutch grandmother.She has been a member of the theosophical society for years,left it but kept on believing in Karma. What I learned is that there are many different theories and that's it.....no one knows the Truth. What he says is interesting and I know at least a few people who agree completely but why do we have the ability of reasoning and animals not? That's also the reason why we can destroy so much. Karma in India:it's good for your karma to help a beggar!
@khaldoun62
15 жыл бұрын
The problem with UG is that he dont want to lie, was offering the trues of what we really are, ppl hate this trues and prefers to hear those religious jokers telling them how they are going to be in the future or in the next life.
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 Yes, but UG always insisted this had no spiritual content at all. It was a purely physical phenomena produced as a by-product of the body falling into its own natural rhythm. Please name me another mystic who said the same thing.
@mojopum
12 жыл бұрын
@mattahaisha You are stating your fears, I did Yoga for exercise just like running, I sleep very well at night, no pills, not confused at all, NO FEAR of death, I just listen to people who talk sense.... I do think maybe you are a bit drunk... or mad or high on drugs, there's no way you can tell me what you think of me when you don't know me..good night, I have no more to say to you :))
@mattahaisha
12 жыл бұрын
@mojopum oh yes you are... you are very interested
@szmako
14 жыл бұрын
As I saw it, for you, U.g.'s interpretation of reality or human behaviour is similar to your way of thinking or his views can help you shake off the burdens of this society we live in!?? No hard feelings, Mate! Is there anything to disagree or agree about? To the best of my knowledge, the left part of our brain is responsible for rationality and the illusion of "I", self-experience can be found. So it is "implanted" in our brain. There are techniques that can dissolve the "I" sensation.
@3timesoneminusone
15 жыл бұрын
the insights of j and ug are of different families. with j there is insight of connecting to the ground of total experience/energy. i understand ug and his character, but he is unaware of how to direct each of us to the living energy we might connect to. to agree with his criticisms of humanity qualifies no future for anyone.
@szmako
14 жыл бұрын
I do not agree with him. He used to say e.g.: "What we do not want is the fear to come to an end." Fear is natural, it has had preventive functions throughout evolution. As I see it, it has nothing to do with what he has told.
@exinferiz
15 жыл бұрын
Yes that is true.... but like UG says... when are you going to understand? you will understand when the question comes to the ends.
@19grand
12 жыл бұрын
So UG, what do you think of 'Men are from Mars. Women are from Venus'?
@Erika445566
16 жыл бұрын
i agree
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 Yes, even UG admits that the swellings he experienced happened to correspond exactly to the areas where Kundalini manifests. Most, if not all, other mystics have described similar symptoms and bodily sensations. JK had swellings at the nape of his neck. What makes UG unique is his interpretation of these physical manifestations. He imputes no spiritual, psychic, supernatural, holy, religious or otherworldly significance to them. To UG, those are all merely cultural constructions.
@arctifox88
15 жыл бұрын
And there isn't just your side and the opposite side in this world, it's an oversimplified black-and-white type of mentality more typical for fanatics ("You're either with us, or against us"), that's the type of people UG was against of.
@arctifox88
15 жыл бұрын
Aren't you one of the guys who are with UG in all these videos of him? There is a guy in the Russian Internet who also says he died and was resurrected. You may check up his site and compare his experience to yours, there is an English version of the main article: my666(DOT)boom(DOT)ru
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 Or it may be that whatever happened to UG had nothing to do with levels of energy or sprituality at all, as UG himself insists. I've actually asked Narayana Moorty about this, whether UG just had some kind of neurological disorder and was not any kind of sage or mystic. Moorty told me he's wondered the same thing. I guess we'll never know. But I've never read or heard anyone else talk about spirituality, religion and mysticism quite the way UG did.
@szmako
14 жыл бұрын
@No3Patriot I scanned through fast his work of "No Way Out". I agree with some of his statements. I think culture is also part of one of our closest "realtives", the chimpanzees. It is natural to have culture and for humans to have a purpose in life. In this view, it can be said that U.G. had the purpose of not having a purpose. As far as our senses can reveal reality, evolution is a fact. Because there is no ego, I can't create thoughts. They are created by the brain.
@taoist77
16 жыл бұрын
OK! I think i understand what your definition of god is.Thank you! All religons and gods are man made.The problem i have with the concept of a God is that you cannot'organize' truth.The moment you organize or even interpret it is no longer the truth.
@richerite
13 жыл бұрын
UG found the glitch in the Matrix and logged out.
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 Yes, if we take 'path' to mean a pre-existing route or method. But JK, unlike UG, never negated the end goal of the path (i.e.enlightenment). One could argue that JK may have even inadvertently created a path via 'choiceless awareness.' or his own version of 'meditation or 'watching thought, etc. For UG, there was no point or need for these things, as there was nothing to realize or gain from them.
@szmako
14 жыл бұрын
@No3Patriot So there is "No Way Out"! XD Our brains are conditioned. Fear as well as happiness are also part of our way of living/experiencing. Maybe I am getting confused! Maybe that human animal is a species that is looking for purpose in life!?
@redaeL99
12 жыл бұрын
does that mean all this is where we live and which we use are already been created? It is just a human mind which collectively establishes it?
@VDJ4500
16 жыл бұрын
No, he actually overgrew Jiddu... If you read more about Jiddu, you find out that despite his position as a virtuous man, he was having a secret relationship with a wife of his editor. Off-course Jiddu's approach was great and U.G. must have learned a lot from him (3 years..) - at least on a level of a speach.. but U.G. applied unique and truly direct method - negation. Because only if you got no hopes and illusions, your mind can drop dead. But you 're not ready for it and no-one is..
@rahmiaksu
13 жыл бұрын
he arrives at his conclusions through evidence presented to him. How does that make him a `follower`? You are capable of reinventing a perspective. It just so happens that his perspective is the MOST objective one, if you think about it.
@Octava712
14 жыл бұрын
@hellospider Well, if you are confused you will start to think about...would you have been thinking about without being confused? ;-)
@TheSeekingIsOver
13 жыл бұрын
Shiva has a picture of UG on his wall.
@taoist77
16 жыл бұрын
.....And as a nihilist i must say 'Nothingness' is God. Nothingness is very much alive. I'am more of a beleiver in the teachings of J.Krishnamurti. Good and evil are man made! Let the truth speak for itself and there is only LOVE. Religon has destroyed half the world. only LOVE can save us.
@AnthonyGarcia-od7fu
11 ай бұрын
Es el terror, no el amor, no la fraternidad lo que nos ayudará a vivir juntos. Hasta que este mensaje se filtre al nivel de la conciencia humana, no creo que haya ninguna esperanza... La supervivencia de una célula depende de la supervivencia de la célula contigua. Y tu supervivencia y la mía dependen de la supervivencia de nuestro prójimo. U.G. Krishnamurti
@qigong1001
15 жыл бұрын
As for his ideas on "scientists being stupid" as you say or he would call their ideas "bullshit", it does sound crude. Yet even karl Popper would criticize scientists who say they found the "truth" of some concept. We can get close to it, but you will have to accept that it is NOT attainable. If you like, we can debate this further, let me know.
@mojopum
12 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 He says everyone is unique himself included! There's no need to analyse him, take what you want and leave what you don't want...
@viccandice
16 жыл бұрын
That's not what JK said. He likes to ask people to look into the fact, not ideas or imagination of the fact. He doesn't want people to listen to follow. He wasts people to learn by reasoning, to understand by themself...in order word to reach enlightment by themself. Nothing comes from nothing...it has to come from something. We do need a teacher or something to learn the basics; but at the end we have to understand it by ourself and no one could help us to reach that step.
@squatch545
13 жыл бұрын
@alllman2000 The assumptions here are 'sugar' and 'levels' viz enlightenment. UG was careful to avoid making any logical leap from physiological processes to something spiritual or holy.
@ur1234562001
16 жыл бұрын
u got it mama...
@arctifox88
15 жыл бұрын
I think what you got was not the true enlightenment, just the illusion of it, otherwise you won't be afraid of dying. And speaking of UG, he denied enlightenment as well.
@Patrickstarlight369
14 жыл бұрын
@richerite Was the same with me. It still causes discomfort to read it :D He kept me away from a lot of strange teachers ^^
@VDJ4500
16 жыл бұрын
seems you don't understand - he had to do this in order to strip you down of all illusions... only if there is no future and no past for your thinking. Or: In order to stop thinking- that is "I" , there must be no future (no movenment) .. and because no-one was capable accepting it - he grew ignorant. He said - I can't help you - because he can't! All the words have to stop... and how could he communicate that - only through negation.
@redaeL99
12 жыл бұрын
I find Osho very weird. His techniques of spirituality were very different from others. Also I heard some tantric sex techniques of awakening. Regarding Tolle I read his book The power of now and its very real. After reading some holy text like Vedas, Bible ( I haven't read full just some texts). I think that every spiritual or religious teacher is trying to teach the same thing in a different manner. Are you in search of enlightenment or the meaning of life?
@MysticOfTheSands
12 жыл бұрын
Ah, the part about feelings was more preemptive (lest you think that I believe people should become zombies). Anyway... I don't idolize him to any extent, but I do think he was willing (and able) to put on the table things that people are usualy squeemish about. Hence the value of his nonsensical legacy. (and here "nonsensical" is a compliment).
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