Michael's book, "Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational" www.amazon.com/Conspiracy-Why-Rational-Believe-Irrational/dp/1421444453/
@mumfi3400
Жыл бұрын
Great episode, Peter! I enjoy listening to Shermer, but a couple of things he said are not factual. Grusch's security clearance (Title 50) which he still retains is one of, if not the highest security clearances there is, and he was read into 2000 SAPs (special access programs). Also, there were emails to/from John Podesta regarding UFOs in the WikiLeaks.
@erichabegger9895
Жыл бұрын
The discussion of aliens here is leaving out two important points: 1. Human civilization routinely uses eye witness testimony in assessing events and their accuracy. This is what happens in practically every criminal legal case ever brought against a defendant. The jury is instructed to weigh the testimony of witnesses, including mitigating reasons in favor of, or against, the witness testimony about a crime. To argue against all the eye witness testimony throughout the world about UFOs that are being sighted is the same as arguing that every juror that ever sat in a trial is disqualified from assessing the truth of the eye witnesses because the juror didn't personally see the UFO. 2. Currently, human civilization doesn't know how to overcome the general relativistic limitations on traveling interstellar distances in a reasonable amount of time. But that does not mean there are not loopholes in physics that would bypass that limitation. Those loopholes are known and understood in a rudimentary way. Scientists just haven't been thinking out of box, like they should be doing. Eye witness testimony shows acceleration of those craft as high as 500Gs, or even higher. That testimony from witnesses points to a firm disagreement with what our current physics understands and it points to a way to cancel the inertia of the mass in the UFO. Once a civilization accomplishes that kind of engineering all bets are off that aliens are truly from a different world. A UFO coming from a distant star's solar system is the most reasonable explanation consistent with all the witness testimony of how they perform.
@spookyninja4098
Жыл бұрын
Mean while - The US House Oversight Committee is holding a public hearing on the 26th of July on UFO whistle blowers from the US military being high ranked and ranking Intelligence officers who are testifying that the US military has Alien materials hidden from Congressional oversight since 1947.
@GoodLifeInSpain
Жыл бұрын
@@erichabegger9895 The first wagon train left the mid-west and traveled to California in approximately 7 months. If you told any of those people that you could travel from the west coast to the east coast in 61 minutes, they would have scoffed and called you crazy. Yet, less than 190 yeas later, an SR71 Blackbird flew from California to Washington DC in 61 minutes and 20 seconds. The sad truth is...we don't know squat about the universe. A civilisation 100 million years ahead of us probably has a better handle on the physics of it all and has likely figured out how to navigate the stars in ways that astrophysicists haven't even considered.
@GoodLifeInSpain
Жыл бұрын
I find the title of Michael's book to be pretty patronizing. Considering the universe is 14.5 billion years old and earth is only about 4.25 - 4.5 billion years old, and considering there are hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars...it's actually IRRATIONAL to believe that a civilisation 100 million or a billion years ahead of us hasn't figured out how to navigate the stars in ways that are completely beyond our comprehension.
@Fairdemand554
Жыл бұрын
Shermer hasn’t thought enough on the premises that hold up the trans idea. There is no possible way for a male to ‘feel like’ a female. A male only has access to the mind of a male, he doesn’t know what it would feel like to think like a woman. Every thought and feeling he has is that of a man, no matter the feeling. And in fact there are tons of case where a woman identifies as a man, goes on testosterone and is suddenly surprised at the feelings that arise from it, proving that the person in fact did not feel like a man all along. The entire trans idea is a farce. It’s ghost in the machine nonsense.
@odinallfarther6038
Жыл бұрын
I laugh every time this guy is introduced as a sceptic he is sceptic about every thing he doesn't believe .
@johnnypt14
Жыл бұрын
I agree. It reminds me of that one dictionary that added a definition to "woman" as "someone who chooses to live as a female". Except.....what is that? Living as a female? Can a man live as a person who gives birth? Can he live as someone with a different chromosome makeup?? It's just nonsense. You can't "live" as a female because the very things that define female cannot be replicated by something else.
@ReeTM
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to know Shermer's take on the West's tyranny during COVID. Deluded to the point of denial.
@hcleskov-fischer6033
Жыл бұрын
He was very much in favour of it. In a recent triggernometry podcast he defended Fauci, saying one couldn't know if Covid wasn't as deadly as Ebola. According to shermer it was only appropriate from summer 2021 (!) to be skeptical about mask mandates and lockdowns. Great Sceptic...
@sionnach.1374
Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling he would gave been pro mask even though there was no good non manipulated evidence to support their use
@just_another32
Жыл бұрын
I like the guy but I imagine he would stick with mainstream narrative on covid related stuff
@realistic_delinquent
Жыл бұрын
Shermer doesn’t actually have opinions. He has an exceptional eye for the most popular position, be it informed or delusional, and he leaps on it. I’ve never seen this man deviate from the most popular option on any census poll. I think he thinks that’s what “truth” means. Unfortunately, he is also a very gifted sophist, so his role is effectively to consolidate opinion in the direction of the popular opinion.
@yamishogun6501
Жыл бұрын
Shermer has a video up on his views of Covid, and they match the NY Times. He was pro mask mandate and even said others don't have the right to make him sick. He would never have said that about the flu, and the IFR of Covid was only 50% to 100% more deadly than the flu. (He was at no risk of dying from Covid at his age and health.)
@cooperwesley1536
Жыл бұрын
Shermer is wonderfully Old School with respect to his skepticism. Back in the day, the common expression with respect to any new idea or conspiracy was "I'm from Missouri, show me"... which meant, "prove it." At his core, Shermer still operates this way... as do I. I think this is why I'm so neutral (and periodically suspicious) with respect aliens. I'm totally open to the idea (it makes sense), but to believe it, I will need to see the proof on full display at the Smithsonian.
@sd5919
Жыл бұрын
Midwit rot.
@tristanblaze8238
Жыл бұрын
@@sd5919?? Anything else to add to that
@michioaluna5799
Жыл бұрын
People have 0 interest in SETI because they can’t participate, they’ve been kept out from the beginning. Let them in see what happens.
@ronaldreagan5981
Жыл бұрын
Actually, you already can. There is a program that lets your computer analyze seti data. At least there was.
@123mneil
Жыл бұрын
Technical difficulties!? Come on, Reid! ;)
@matt-30-
Жыл бұрын
A homerun of a show. Though, as a professional complainer, I think Shermer needs to revisit some of his political beliefs by reading more David Simon and Jane Mayer.
@originalcyn
Жыл бұрын
I’m not all that familiar with Michael Shermer’s work. Can someone point me to where he expounds on the whole having the tools without the disposition is worse idea?
@katiemiaana
Жыл бұрын
I agree with Helen that it is all culture bound, given a society with less rigid gender norms, feminine men and masculine women accepted then the need to resort to quite frankly misogynistic anti scientific rhetoric that denies reality, ie. a transwoman is a woman would not be necessary. People can only do this whilst they have access to HRT so it has institutional backing also which muddies the water.
@miroirs-jumeaux
Жыл бұрын
🙌
@jackiekjono
Жыл бұрын
Wokism was in fandom before it was in the atheism movement. I think autism plays a role. I think the first communities to fall to it were those places where the socially awkward congregate - especially if they were fairly sex-segregated places to start with (atheism cons might be place where there are a lot of socially awkward guys. Slash fiction forums might include a lot of socially awkward women.) In my experience among the slash fans, when you met someone in person who was the most absolutely terrifying person online who owned all of the social power, they would turn out to be a mousy, easily intimidated sad little person who could barely function and she seemed to not understand just how powerful she was online because she would still feel like a tiny mouse. If you don't really understand your own power, it is hard to see the value of mercy.
@miroirs-jumeaux
Жыл бұрын
So I wasn't imagining that furries seem overrepresented among wokesters?
@jayjaydubful
Жыл бұрын
@miroirs-jumeaux surely it is 100% a fetish of the wokesters? Not that conservatives don't have sexual pathologies, but I would think that the furry kink is very contained amongst the liberal 'left'
@heathmckenzie6875
Жыл бұрын
Great episode. I think what some people in the skeptic community fail to realize is that for many people, stated beliefs are a social and pyscological tool much more than a statement of what they actually believe. I think behaviour provides a better insight into what most people actually believe than their stated beliefs.
@Earthad23
Жыл бұрын
People act out what they really believe.
@tonyburton419
Жыл бұрын
Not totally, but to a very considerable extent.
@brek5
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it is astonishing how many people fall apart when you start asking them first-principles questions about their ideas (and often get angry). Whatever it is--I'm pro-life/pro-choice, for example--or any topic, and then just ask them what the purpose of that is and how that policy would achieve that purpose. I rarely get past just platitudes or tautological statements rather than being able to drill down to the ultimate aim of their, say, policy recommendations.
@spookyninja4098
Жыл бұрын
Mean while - The US House Oversight Committee is holding a public hearing on the 26th of July on UFO whistle blowers from the US military being high ranked and ranking Intelligence officers who are testifying that the US military has Alien materials hidden from Congressional oversight since 1947.
@Man_fay_the_Bru
Жыл бұрын
So basically they think it’s real so it is😏
@mmaximk
Жыл бұрын
The hypothesis that UAP are secret US technology has at least two fatal contradictions: First, the location of UAP activity where their detection by instruments and observation by individuals without clearance is a certainty is not compatible with secrecy - especially when those instruments and eyes belong to various branches of the US military itself. Secondly, detections and reports of these objects predate the jet age. Since the flight capabilities of the objects are more advanced than currently acknowledged military aviation, it is not plausible that the US (or any other military) has had such capabilities for almost a century without ever deploying it to military ends in any live theatre of war.
@ronaldreagan5981
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. These technologies would still make any nation that had them dominant.
@royjacobs1204
Жыл бұрын
On a scale of 0-80% i dislike Sharmer around 80%, plenty of data points clarify this.
@smelltheglove2038
Жыл бұрын
He’s a little smug but he makes really good points when talking about stuff I agree with him on. Hahaha. I think he’s a bit too skeptical about UFOs and ancient civilizations.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
@@smelltheglove2038well ufos is difficult to talk about as the “evidence” just isn’t there. I would love it if we find out they(actual aliens) exist but I just don’t believe it yet
@odinallfarther6038
Жыл бұрын
As a sceptic he is weak .
@viktordoe1636
Жыл бұрын
He is not sceptical at all. He critizices things which are contrary to his own political and world views. He is not at all sceptical about things that align with his views. This is not scepticism this is being close minded.
@odinallfarther6038
Жыл бұрын
@@viktordoe1636 👍🏼 I agree with him on many things but he's no sceptic and certainly no intellectual .
@candiceberg5232
Жыл бұрын
I feel like i just listened to 45mins of 2 people says 'i think it was swamp gas' Where does this 'examining evidence' portion take place
@psjak1
Жыл бұрын
Haha wow took so long to find this comment. I agree. The evidence is overwhelming, as Ross Coulthard says in a US court of law witnesses testimony is enough to end lives. And in this case there’s thousand of recorded cases. At least we should investigate straight away and demand truth, fair to say that we can’t be certain it’s aliens. But there seem to be something beyond our physics, just Google the AIAA science paper on the Gimbal video and listen to the pilot testimony for the tic-tac
@gapho5198
Жыл бұрын
When evidence is presented.
@psjak1
Жыл бұрын
@@gapho5198 There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that is public, spanning decades, some of which more recently involve pilots who used to fear their jobs and lives for speaking on this topic. As well as references to the fact governments have a lot more sensor data as shown in the 3 video snippets confirmed by the pentagon. We somehow were able to accept that blackholes existed before there was any photo. Some things we can acknowledge are very difficult to collect data on, alien tech, well do we really think they're going to land on the White House lawn? If there's any chance they've made a treaty with with other life form as David Grusch says, then they may have very well agreed to remain "hidden" for 75 years or some amount of time. Who knows, I'm just speculating on what's out there, but at the very least these claims should concern us enough to take it seriously and demand more investigation. I think we may be surprised what's been hidden behind the stigma
@VesnaVK
Жыл бұрын
Tomboy does NOT mean gender dysphoria. I was shocked and disappointed to hear this
@BunE22
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was the first girl born of 13 grandchildren, there were 2 after me. So I grew up with brothers and male cousins. It's easy to see why I was a tomboy.
@HellCatt0770
Жыл бұрын
Yes! Speaking as a tomboy I didn’t want to be a boy I just liked a lot of physical activity, building things and hated dresses/hair clips and dolls (creepy things). Not my fault someone made up some stupid ideas what girls are like! I’ve had 3 daughters 1st and 3rd were anti-dress and hated pink, dress-up, dolls etc., middle one loved all that stuff but still ended up becoming an engineer! In my experience the sexist stereotypes are just wrong! Men and women - very few [maybe no one) fits 100%
@VesnaVK
Жыл бұрын
I hated all that pink frilly stuff but wasn't athletic. It just means kids are individuals. It's the woke brigade who are bringing back the stereotypes. They're the ones who are saying that trucks are for boys and dolls are for girls. (And that's how you can tell what "gender" a kid is.)
@efsbass
Жыл бұрын
Lmao I remember Neil de grass’ skepticism to an abduction question “if you’re in the ufo, why don’t you grab something off the examining table and bring it back with you.” 😂
@say10..
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter and Michael. I could listen to you two talk all day.
@drpeterboghossian
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@nebyenrub
Жыл бұрын
If anything Steven Greer has to say is true, then this conversation doesn’t include most of the context needed to form any kind of informed opinion on this matter. Seems unlikely that Dr. Greer is completely full of it.
@HellCatt0770
Жыл бұрын
I actually think Greer is a VERY unreliable source. If UAP calling was for real then you could get them to turn up for press, scientists etc.
@d.s.5157
Жыл бұрын
Greer is a charlatan and fabricator 😂
@biglollol
8 ай бұрын
As someone who believes in the possibility of aliens, I think Greer is full of shit. Never been able to prove anything.
@andrewwood7303
Жыл бұрын
I’ve followed Michael for what feels like forever and his level headedness is a wonder to behold. His ability to cut to the essence of any issue is second to none. The only time I’ve ever seen him mildly flustered is when Deepak Chopra tries to feed him a speculative, esoteric word salad. Wonderful to see him helping Peter to refine and develop his intellectual life. Big fan of both these guys - keep up the hard work!
@sd5919
Жыл бұрын
Level headed? Dude is the iconic midwit.
@Piperdreams
Жыл бұрын
Levelheadedness doesn’t exist in making specious speculations and biased opinions, isn’t cutting through to the essence of issues. Skeptics risks becoming snared in their own traps of trying to prove fallibility which is what Michael has a tendency to get caught in the right/wrong/gotcha despite him denying it … because they’re too impatient to withhold their skepticism until all the facts are known. I think in this episode, Peter was helping Michael to be more considered.
@andrewwood7303
Жыл бұрын
@@Piperdreams I’m not sure if this is a reply or a long statement of some sort.
@rayfighter
Жыл бұрын
@@Piperdreams when it comes to confused individuals attacking Shermer's skepticism, he came out of this discussion with flying colors, despite rather erratic inputs from Boghossian.
@simonrae3048
Жыл бұрын
Agree 100% Michael is the ultimate in good old fashioned common sense. He got me started on this KZitem thing just around Covid. Have now watched loads of other presenters like Dawkins or Hitchens. I now get time, the endless endless millions of years, get evolution and understand the concept of the ape..... man, And that we are making it up, in real time, as we go along. There is no overarching conspiracy because no one knows WFT is going on> And when a comet threatens mankind in the near future, it will concentrate everything and people will realise all the other stuff was window dressing. The speck of earth in a frighteningly huge Universe. It's amazing
@jackiekjono
Жыл бұрын
Mr. Shermer has not been paying attention to the Catholic church. Before sending his child to a Catholic school he should check out some of James Lindsay's new discourses podcasts on the Catholic church. The current Pope is a hard core Liberation theology guy which is the Catholic version of social justice Marxism. Paolo Frieri who is primarily responsible for woke education also came out of Catholic Liberation Theology. There are some great Catholic schools out there but, they are getting harder and harder to find.
@ashleybennett4418
Жыл бұрын
The catholic church has been opposed to progress for centuries
@CarloFromaggio
Жыл бұрын
Why listen to Shermer when he is the poster child of skeptics? I'd love a discussion, and I have no side, but this is a predictable conversation that is not worth listening to.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Who would you like Schermer to talk to though? Who can effectively represent the “ufos are real” side?
@simonhadley8829
Жыл бұрын
But you found it worth commenting on.
@odinallfarther6038
Жыл бұрын
He is the establishments sceptic .
@stevenlightfoot6479
Жыл бұрын
I give Shermer a lot of credit for being able to change his mind when new evidence appears, and that alone is really great. That said, I find his 'priors' (see comment below) indicate he doesn't have great judgment to start with. I suspect he has to change his mind a LOT based on new evidence because his initial read of a situation isnt all that good.
@orihoola
Жыл бұрын
That's a great observation. Begs the question, would you rather be lucky (priors) or good (adaptable to new information)?
@stevenlightfoot6479
Жыл бұрын
@@orihoola I would rather be both, good judgment up front AND be willing to learn and adapt. Many people I know are actually like that.
@sd5919
Жыл бұрын
Lucky or good? Awful question. Shermer is neither. If you’re as wrong as he is on a question of this magnitude (UFOs) you need to accept that you’re simply intellectually inferior.
@Pierre-Leloup
Жыл бұрын
As far as UFOs are concerned, I have much more confidence in Ross Coulthardt, who is an exemplary and extremely competent journalist, as he has a much wider field of vision on the subject because he is much better informed than this guys, sorry for them...
@HellCatt0770
Жыл бұрын
Agree I have a lot of respect for Sherma - first time I saw him Graham Hancock and Randal Carson completely annihilated him on Joe Rogan! He is wrong about Ancient History and maybe many other things but he puts himself out there and doesn’t just shout ‘bigot’ then run away. We could all learn from this!
@mellowtron214
Жыл бұрын
*Im an atheist with young children, and I agree that I’d rather my kids go to a religious school than a Wokē cultist school. Mainly because I know the ins and outs of religious ideology, and it is not difficult to defeat in the field of thought. They have nothing, and it’s easy to explain that to anyone. Wokeness however, has 15/20ths of a thing here, -10,000 of a thing here. It’s diffused across everything everywhere. So it’s harder to explain away, I can do it, and often do, but it’s ubiquity and convoluted fuckery is more difficult to unravel than religion, which is simply factually untrue. Aspects of wokeness are true, they touch on parts of actually existent issues, so it’s harder to get a child to understand that racism is wrong, but what these self proclaimed “anti-racists” are doing IS RACISM because they have redefined racism etc etc. it’s more complex and dumb.*
@Earthad23
Жыл бұрын
Everybody believes in something, the variable is what that thing is you want to believe in.
@ronaldreagan5981
Жыл бұрын
My response to "racism is always wrong" is " why do rattlesnakes have rattles?" To rell you they are rattlesnakes. In other words,you have been lied to.
@kyledrake9750
Жыл бұрын
The reason grievance groups start splitting and attacking each other is that their MO is to feed on those around them to increase their sense of value. It is about forcing a narrative on those you are interacting with where you become the "good guy", the pure one. It is the game of becoming the virtuous big fish regardless of how small the tank gets.
@camhopson7067
Жыл бұрын
Great points!
@grippercrapper
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. It’s just evidence that their intentions were never pure. It’s all a facade.
@Hgdownunder
Жыл бұрын
A dress is not a secondary sexual characteristic
@miroirs-jumeaux
Жыл бұрын
is it a tertiary sex characteristic?
@Larkarran
Жыл бұрын
also curious that Shermer is aware of autogynephilia but doesn't make the connection between that and these men wanting to have breasts and wear dresses.
@JTNugget
Жыл бұрын
Calling the valuing of eyewitness testimony "religious reasoning" is a pretty damning belief of the entire history of common law.
@robbie_
Жыл бұрын
I think there's a huge elephant in the room here. Michael says "just read the studies", as if the scientific enterprise is free and open. It is not. Politicians set up systems of incentives and scientists through their institutions work within those incentives. The incentives are, for example, getting onto a PhD programme, getting tenure, getting research grant money, getting published in reputable journals, etc. When it comes to something like climate change, suggesting we just "follow the science" really doesn't work because of this. It's really notable to me that most of the people you'd consider sceptics are retired.
@notnotkevinjohn
Жыл бұрын
Even accepting that scientific institutions aren't immune to corruption or ideological capture; what better alternative do we have for knowing what's true? No one is saying the studies are perfect; they're saying they represent the best data we have available to us. If you have better data, by all means, show us where you got it and how you know it's not reliable.
@robbie_
Жыл бұрын
@@notnotkevinjohn Oh but everybody is saying the studies are perfect. That is where you're wrong.
@notnotkevinjohn
Жыл бұрын
@@robbie_ Okay, who has made that claim?
@robbie_
Жыл бұрын
@@notnotkevinjohn I can give so many examples. One, for example, the BBC had a meeting back in 2010 or thereabouts where they decided they were not going to air sceptical opinion. Another, the "97% of scientists agree" paper was statistical rubbish. The criticism of that paper was not discussed in the media but that statistic has been repeated ad nauseum. How many examples of claims do you need?
@notnotkevinjohn
Жыл бұрын
@@robbie_ This always happens with the ufo crowd, I ask you for a piece of evidence and you answer a different question and then immediately pivot to another claim. Give me the name of the person who claimed that studies are perfect. Failing that, give me the name of the show it was on, or a keyword I could search on KZitem to find the clip. Give me enough information that I can be sure I am looking at the thing you are talking about. I don't understand why you are pivoting to the '97% of scientists' claim. The claim was not that 97% of scientists thought that studies demonstrating the existence of climate change were perfect, only that they were correct. Do you understand that is a different claim? so, if it's not too much trouble, just a single example that I can verify and that supports you claim will do just fine.
@miguelbinha
Жыл бұрын
My father and all his platoon had a cigar shaped craft hovering over them in Lake Niassa , during a military patrol in the colonial war in Mozambique.l in 1962. All his platoon saw it and took defense positions. It stayed there for long minutes. No matter what anyone says, I know it's true. No suggestion, no drugs, no collective hallucinations. It is real.
@RVMTube
Жыл бұрын
Atheists tend to have a strict belief system, where they will defend their beliefs in-spite of contrary evidence, to the point of dismissing evidence. Notice how in one breath he gives weight to multiple eye witnesses and says that 3 eye witnesses would constitute something... but then makes fun of Jesus and the bible, when the gospels are literally 4 corroborating eye witness accounts...
@miguelbinha
Жыл бұрын
@@RVMTube indeed. If they discredit it now, imagine when they are confronted with its demonic origin.
@RVMTube
Жыл бұрын
@@miguelbinha troll, you wondered too far from your bridge.
@miguelbinha
Жыл бұрын
@@RVMTube always the mockers...Smart pants...
@RVMTube
Жыл бұрын
@@miguelbinha an argument based on something would be more valuable than an assertion .
@alexandermcclain5561
Жыл бұрын
We love you, Peter.
@nickj.7876
Жыл бұрын
We sure do❤
@davidkennerly
Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for the audio to fall out but it never did. I'm not sure why the audio warning was necessary.
@miroirs-jumeaux
Жыл бұрын
what color is the dress?
@pdxnikki1
Жыл бұрын
Extraordinary claims do not require extraordinary evidence. They require sufficient evidence.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t the evidence be both extraordinary and sufficient?
@odinallfarther6038
Жыл бұрын
That's a fair, point I think the demand for extraordinary evidence is just a rhetorical embellishment grabbing them by the short a curlys an attention grabber .
@pdxnikki1
Жыл бұрын
@@EmperorsNewWardrobeSure, but it's not necessary. Only sufficiency is required.
@ronaldreagan5981
Жыл бұрын
@@pdxnikki1that's what I've said for a while. If it's enough evidence to convict someone in court,it's enough evidence.
@Cotictimmy
Жыл бұрын
DARPA may have some crazy projects, but they aren't completely crazy. They rejected Peter Daszak's proposal that they fund respiratory virus 'Gain of Function' research in a U.S. defense lab. 🤣
@eileenkast4982
Жыл бұрын
By not agreeing to debate Hotez has lost credibility. RFK Junior keeps saying the same thing to everyone who disagrees with him He says this.,,,”Tell me where I’m wrong “. This is always met with silence. Makes you wonder Kennedy has agreed to debate several people against just himself and no one will do it.
@grippercrapper
Жыл бұрын
You did it once again, Peter, another great video. Keep this up and I’ll never need Netflix.
@drpeterboghossian
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate the support.
@padraigadhastair4783
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Michael and Peter, amazing conversation. Cheers.
@drpeterboghossian
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@populisttrope9385
Жыл бұрын
Shermer admitting he would rather send his son to Catholic school than any Cali school says everything you need to know.
@DylanYoung
Жыл бұрын
The UFOs bit was the least interesting part. Why is it the title?
@Johnsnyder89
Жыл бұрын
Lol I enjoy Schumer even though I disagree with most of what he says but him trying to discredit the phenomenon because main stream media isn’t covering it is quite laughable
@LeighAnnMiller
Жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite people! ❤
@palmereldritch_6669
Жыл бұрын
Our school system is antiquated and isn't even good at teaching antiquated things. Education should be about getting people to think about things like ethics, epistemology, statististics, psychology, life purpose, managing finances, and other practical things. Also, the best education is engaging, personalized, and interactive.
@angelawest9759
Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more. I have been saying this for years. Schools have not moved on much from its original 19th century model. We need massive reform in education. It kills me that we teach kids algebra but don’t teach them about psychology or money.
@palmereldritch_6669
Жыл бұрын
@@angelawest9759 The most frustrating thing is that this country has produced mountains of evidence as to how to improve education. Yet we ignore it while other countries are capable of changing and improving. Football gives people brain damage, yet it's still the cornerstone of high school in America. Absurd.
@lucasdieguez1244
Жыл бұрын
I'll never understand why skeptics are so adamant on having evidence for some matters, yet for others all that matters is "freedom" of choice. It also baffles me how they always see empathy as something "good"; maybe they just don't know the difference it holds with "sympathy". Boghossian was excellent, as always.
@Man_fay_the_Bru
Жыл бұрын
It’s simple…there’s NO PROOF ALIENS ARE COMING TO EARTH IN SPACESHIPS🤦♂️
@notnotkevinjohn
Жыл бұрын
I think you're conflating the importance of evidence with the importance of freedom of choice. For example, I can be skeptical of the claim that vaccines cause autism, while still strongly supporting the imperative that people should be free to choose whether or not to take them.
@richarddoan9172
Жыл бұрын
What are these other matters that skeptics are hypocritical about? You seem to have something in particular in mind.
@stevenlightfoot6479
Жыл бұрын
At 22 mins, Shermer is correct that many UFO people wont study SETI etc, which is unfortunate because SETI is (or was, before it went woke) a legit scientific approach to aliens. It IS possible to both study SETI and keep an open mind to aliens. I am never sure what to think about Shermer, I kind of like him, but I also find him a little off-putting. His academic background does not lead me to believe he properly understands math or science, despite his assertions about them (all the time).
@sickboy4029
Жыл бұрын
Religions begin with a small dedicated group of people. Remember the tyranny of the minority, and look into the Italian School of Political Science from the late 19th & early 20th centuries (aka Elite theory).
@dentonweiss3642
Жыл бұрын
Peter, you think Commander Fravor and his 3 copilots/wingmen , Ryan Graves, and countless other military pilots are all mistaken then?
@PJM273
Жыл бұрын
There's about a million people on Twitter and YT (and almost every Joe Rogan fan) that I'd like to strap to a chair and force them to watch this. Thanks, Peter.
@rossydv
Жыл бұрын
Followed Shermer for decades. Big appreciator. Newish to Boghossian. Diggin’ him too👍
@drpeterboghossian
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@rossydv
Жыл бұрын
@@drpeterboghossian do you accept volunteers (in Canada)?
@thesunabsolute
Жыл бұрын
To answer the question posed at 36:00. I believe the most sensible reason for the secrecy would be the legality of it all. Who legally owns the right to reverse engineer Alien tech? The US? The country where the craft crashed/was found? Shouldn't that tech be shared with the public, and the human race in general? The whole thing opens up a legal can of worms that the US Government does not want to get involved with. If they are reverse engineering alien tech, this is a edge that they want to keep for national superiority over other countries, and they have no intention of sharing it.
@dentonweiss3642
Жыл бұрын
The reason we don’t care about SETI, is because we believe they are far beyond radio communications. Period.
@geometricsphereuniversalin7043
Жыл бұрын
He gets some things right and some things wrong, like most people
@Jan96106
Жыл бұрын
In other words, he is just as biased as anyone else, perhaps even more so. Like others, he feels confident speaking about items he has not researched (or at least not recently).
@pigetstuck
Жыл бұрын
Why 18 and not 25? 30?
@AndyJarman
Жыл бұрын
Just as Claasical Liberalism's Achille's heel is for opinions to be open to criticism and review, so free market competition is open to the occult techniques employed in swaying people's choice. During Margaret Thatcher's Liberal-isation of markets and removal of state subsidies during the 1980s many weird and wonderful financial practices were cooked up and sold to the customer base. It wasn't until 2009 with the global financial crisis that the implications of adopting and trusting these strange concoctions came home to roost. This is a very real problem with Neo Liberalism. It really believes nore choice and freedom is an absolute good. Unfortunately those totalitarian dictatorships that survived the collapse of the Berlin wall were in a remarkably strong position to predate on this naive belief in the unseen hand of the narket place. For example, China continues to rip off the rest of the world by not charging its people for international postage charges. The USA charge's its retail and manufacturing sector billions in oost and freight charges. The result is I cannot buy American products because to me (in Australia) they are prohobitively expensive. Worst still, Western democracies allow the Chinese to buy huge tracts of land and large residential developments. This has inflated the value of farmland and residential properties because the Chinese loans are guaranteed by the CCP. This is why Free Speech has to be limited. Ideas that are manifestly unhealthy or illegal must be suppressed. However, the body politic has been so enfeebled in terms of the quality of the people and their ideas that we are rapidly being consumed by oandering populism. And I would position Woke ideology in the populist camp. Wokism is exploiting the openess of liberalism to the extent it has become blatently impractical and illiberal.
@ronaldreagan5981
Жыл бұрын
The problem with liberalism is that it permits the support of socialism,which is always destructive of human endeavors. Evil must be called evil and it must receive no quarter.
@blindjusticeandcommonsense2786
Жыл бұрын
A minor point about George W saying we know Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. The important variable was time. Saddam HAD weapons of mass destruction and the US and the UK knew he HAD them because the US and UK had sold them to him. The time bit is that he had since gotten rid of them. So then W was scratching his head and came up with the line about him moving them. Which was plausible in the sense that the US and UK had no evidence trail but at least the 'moving them' was a hypothesis that could then be tested. (If you want to check on the bit about the US and UK having sold the stuff to Saddam it is public domain material. Including the efforts by the UK government to lie about it and let people go to prison over the 'Iraqi super gun')
@golpherguy6388
Жыл бұрын
Awesome interview and discussion! 👍🏻
@drpeterboghossian
Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@bhaskarbagchi1643
Жыл бұрын
I am a mathematician with a degree in statistics, though I must confess that, after a lifetime of pure maths, I have forgotten most of stats. But I do understand the basics. Wish to make a few points. I am not a "believer", but I think that there's enough out there for the subject of UFOs to deserve serious and urgent scientific scrutiny. Aside from the question of why apparently credible people with apparently credible background should risk their career and sanity to come forward with such incredible claims (I am thinking of Grusch and those who back home up, and potentially those who are going to testify under oath in the Congressional hearing of 7/26), there's also the "eyewitness accounts" of countless "experiencers and abductees". I get it that all this doesn't count as scientific evidence, but it justify a serious and concerted attempt at collecting such evidence (such as by the Galileo project). Also, if you truly believe that Grusch is credible but mistaken, then why was he subjected to harassment and threat after his whistle blower complaint to the IG of IC, as he claims he was? Also, if what these people seem to have found is secret US technology, why was the US government secretly studying this phenomenon all the time ( the 2017 NYT article) and now continues to do so openly? Why are so many in the Congress taking these claims seriously enough to try and include such funny language in the upcoming defence bill? While we are agreed that there must be other intelligences in this vast universe, it does seem absolutely incredible that we should be on a galactic highway where so many of them congregate. But, given that we know so little about life and intelligence, let's be a little humble and say "who knows!"
@pepperkoop
Жыл бұрын
Dis iz guut
@JereKrischel
Жыл бұрын
Bayesian reasoning is only the beginning of proper Popperian falsifiability.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
Жыл бұрын
How so?
@greghavens7679
Жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with Michael on the secret vehicle subject. The U.S. Gov't loves to show off it's new toys. I think keeping a DIY UFO at Area 51, a secret would be a very short lived secret.
@TheHighlanderprime
Жыл бұрын
He’s so wrong on this subject on so many level. It exposed his true biases over and over again. And Peter seems to share the same linear inclination towards the subject.
@Engrave.Danger
Жыл бұрын
Love Peter's content and I'm anti-woke AF but I've seen some things in the sky going back 30 years that still aren't represented by our technology and that wasn't my only experience. Call me crazy but don't call me woke. I'll pass a lie detector test any day on that. Some things we just don't forget.
@ronaldreagan5981
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. When you see one, you know you've seen one.
@joewestla
Жыл бұрын
So different question for Michael. What odds ratio would you accept for the proven existence of aliens visiting the planet? You implied that the right bet is 1:1, $1K to $1K but then you brought up the odds market. At what bet are you indifferent? 1:1000? 10:1000? 100:1000? Has that increased lately, even by a small amount?
@greatoak7661
Жыл бұрын
BULLSHIT!!! I've been very interested in SETI. I started my interest after reading a first edition of CONTACT the BOOK.
@mmaximk
Жыл бұрын
Yes. The list of non sequiturs that Mr Shermer made is surprisingly long.
@ernie8419
Жыл бұрын
identifies as skeptic, uap reality shakes whole belief
@nathansmith5373
Жыл бұрын
Guys - you are on the wrong side of history here, and I'm amazed that you cant see it. There's fire behind all this smoke. Lets have this conversation again next year.
@ajwysopal
Жыл бұрын
Has he not seen pictures from military pilots of uaps?
@paeporeckoner
Жыл бұрын
thanks Peter - you're the light we need in this darkness of woke and I hope your conversations and voice will help us rid our society of this fascistic attitude. You are part of the reason I no longer blindly accept leftist ideology. And don't worry because you are indeed on the right side of history :)
@drpeterboghossian
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@CSestp
Жыл бұрын
Damn it peter, why do you not have a traditional podcast listening option? Would love to hear these longer interviews while on my hour and a half drive.
@theinnerlight8016
Жыл бұрын
Downland the episode in the youtube app?
@drpeterboghossian
Жыл бұрын
We do!!
@williamlavagna1096
Жыл бұрын
nice bait
@CSestp
Жыл бұрын
@drpeterboghossian what services or name is it under, tried to find you on Spotify and was only able to come up with individual interviews on other podcasts.
@CSestp
Жыл бұрын
@@theinnerlight8016I'm not paying for youtube.
@jay-rk1mn
Жыл бұрын
Michael Shermer as a canary in a coal mine that watches his fellow Canary drop dead and flies outside, says everything's fine in there
@peznino1
9 ай бұрын
Explain. I'm a 95.
@lukecarey613
Жыл бұрын
& not 1 man or woman outlived the monkey 🙈 mind.
@dirkvanschalkwyk1919
Жыл бұрын
Well done on finding an Aussie to testify for the aliens at Speakers' Corner. 😊
@shiva369
Жыл бұрын
She sounded like a New Zealander to me
@TheHighlanderprime
Жыл бұрын
Peter, there’s no alien craze if it’s actually coming to reality based on the preponderance of different forms of historical and current evidence. That conspiracy theory is turning out to be a justified one. And that, is once again proving the specious usage of the term “conspiracy theory” as a disparaging meme.
@13abcde
Жыл бұрын
When there is secrecy, it always gets around to the point where it is mostly used against the "insiders" rather than against "the enemy". The government agencies, I think, just figure that if the people know less, they can get away with more. Also, the kind of person who gets into these jobs is the kind of person who wants to be "exclusive". They enjoy watching people beg for information. The police are like this. They are a door that swings one way when information is involved.
@cleven77
Жыл бұрын
What a great conversation! So logical, so rational, so honest. Love these guys.
@gratuitousfootnote1183
Жыл бұрын
Is it a "craze" Peter? Chuck Schumer just released a bill with the phrase "non human intelligence" 30 plus times.
@smelltheglove2038
Жыл бұрын
If chuck is saying it, leads me to believe it’s a psy-op. Which sucks because I want it to be true.
@Sweetpea628
Жыл бұрын
Artificial intelligence?
@smelltheglove2038
Жыл бұрын
@@Sweetpea628 it was about UFO disclosure. The DOD said they have crashed vehicles and alien remains. Which is why I think it’s just a distraction. Kinda sucks. Again, I was hoping it was real.
@drpeterboghossian
Жыл бұрын
Then take Shermer’s bet.
@smelltheglove2038
Жыл бұрын
@@circusbrains the big deal is whatever they’re covering up. You haven’t noticed the multiple simultaneous psyops going on right now?
@redplanet76
Жыл бұрын
The problem with being a hyper skeptic is there is NO DOWNSIDE RISK. For instance on UAP, if despite all the evidence we have, you remain hyper skeptical, and it proves to be true, then all you do is shrug it off and no one really cares. So it's not impressive to me for you to remain hyper skeptical ... there is no virtue there because there is no risk there. Great discoveries often carry huge prior risk.
@jompot
Жыл бұрын
zero evidence- as in ZERO
@WhiteWolf126
Жыл бұрын
We have no evidence.
@TheVaged
Жыл бұрын
Jee golly gosh, you know we might be trusted with nuclear weapons and be the premiere aviators in the Army but we totally got a saucer and a balloon mixed up, sorry about that!
@Earthad23
Жыл бұрын
@@WhiteWolf126What about thousands of people seeing things? What about mass sightings? We didn’t have evidence for mountain gorillas other than tall tales from witnesses. You can’t just dismiss claims because you don’t want to seem foolish.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Skeptics are great but they zap the fun out of life in ways . Are there are creatures or paranormal phenomenon that skeptics are truly challenge and weirded out by? Things they cannot begin to explain..?
@Michael_1138
Жыл бұрын
Just for the algorithm.
@miroirs-jumeaux
Жыл бұрын
!oreh a er'ouY
@heatfield4243
Жыл бұрын
What is the probability distribution for folks who think they are born in the wrong body?
@ronaldreagan5981
Жыл бұрын
It's probably a lot higher if you live in a blue city in a blue state.
@ernie8419
Жыл бұрын
accepts video of ballon but not of uap
@AndyJarman
Жыл бұрын
Pretty midwit conversation.
@mattdicarlantonio6999
Жыл бұрын
Very lazy analysis of this topic
@jeremiahmacclure
Жыл бұрын
Love Michael Shermer, he is our David Hume. Not to minimize Peter's contributions of course.
@TheHighlanderprime
Жыл бұрын
He’s not Hume.
@AndyJarman
Жыл бұрын
I distinctly rember Obama's first two weeks in office. It was obvious he had been sat down and told what was really goung on and why he couldn't honour so many of his election promises.
@WendiFriesen
Жыл бұрын
I had a visitation about 20 years ago. It was totally clarity, the memory is still intact. I shared the experience with a UFO researcher and she told me that the details that happened is the same experience for many who've had visitations. Interview me to learn more.
@Hin_Håle
Жыл бұрын
"And I have to talk to you about..." 🥁🥁 "Aliens" 😂
@aidanbarrett9313
Жыл бұрын
I like to use Oswald Spengler's definition of religion - the binding forces that help human beings overcome our collective fear of death.
@karlpilkingtonspilko-pants3287
Жыл бұрын
That’s a great definition.
@BunE22
Жыл бұрын
But Christianity teaches not to fear death. ?
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Have to be honest when someone I’m close to dies - religious thinking definitely comforts in various ways . That said, religious thinking also leaves me with more questions that have no answers. On the other hand, the atheist outlook in that life just happened a long time ago and we are clumps of cells - that is not exactly a great way to view things either . Especially when it comes to Morality
@Earthad23
Жыл бұрын
@@brianmeen2158You’re right, the most brilliant scientific minds of our past understood this. Religion is philosophy about being. We are not objects in a universe, we are the AWARENESS of it. That awareness is eternal. People are just looking at the world and trying to rationalize the irrational. You don’t die, it’s a dream that you’re dreaming. I apologize if this sounds insane.
@Earthad23
Жыл бұрын
I would say it’s a orienting ethical framework that points upwards, if it didn’t point up it died out. It’s a way to confront the horror of being with an attitude of gratitude.
@starnejme6902
Жыл бұрын
Easy to be a skeptic.
@andrewesquibel9614
9 ай бұрын
I used Bayes' Theorem to calculate the probability that the tic tac -- which travelled 28,000 feet in 0.78 seconds -- was piloted/made by aliens. These numbers were given to me by GPT4 (after some cajoling; GPT4 doesn't always play nice). P(the tic tac was piloted by aliens | the tic tac travelled 28,000 feet in 0.78 seconds) = P(the tic tac travelled 28,000 feet in 0.78 seconds | the tic tac was piloted by aliens) * P(the tic tac was piloted by aliens) / P(the tic tac travelled 28,000 feet in 0.78 seconds) = (0.70 * 0.00001) / 0.0001 = 0.000007 / 0.0001 = 0.07 So, according to GPT4, there's a 7% chance that the tic tac was piloted (or made) by aliens.
@will.roman-ros
Жыл бұрын
I would love to debate the reality of alien visitation. These guys haven't done their research, or used all the logic available to them. I would love to enlighten them.
@ronaldreagan5981
Жыл бұрын
Me too. When you've seen one, you know you've seen one.
@will.roman-ros
Жыл бұрын
@@ronaldreagan5981 right. But my point is you don't have to see one with your own eyes. The logic is: only one story has to be true for alien visitation to be a reality, and you can include yours among hundreds of thousands...
@ronaldreagan5981
Жыл бұрын
@@will.roman-ros oh, that's absolutely true. But actually seeing one puts the final nail in the coffin. If you are so open to ideas,let me hit you with one that is another level up,but easier to see evidence of directly. One that makes the question of alien's visitation moot. We are living in a computer simulation. And it is easy to see. How do you feel about that?
@jkonior1
Жыл бұрын
Great interview!
@memoryhero
Жыл бұрын
8:34 - some individuals have divested their epistemological machinery FULL STOP from their interpersonal/subjective social concerns. end of grand mystery. it could happen for a thousand disparate reasons in a thousand disparate lives; looking for a uniform origin story seems like a waste of time. the salient thing is where they ended up, not where they came from. they simply are at peace with assigning the SAME level of likelihood to claims whether they are the only person in the world to think so or whether they are the 8 billionth. it doesn't matter to them. they've drawn this huge insuperable line between what they believe and what anyone else thinks about their beliefs or thinks about them. it isn't even a courageous move, necessarily; it can just as easily be indifference.
@biglollol
8 ай бұрын
If you're a skeptic for a living you will always pick skepticism over seeking truth. I like Shermer, but sometimes he's being a skeptic for the sake of being a skeptic. This way of thinking will never solve a sudoku puzzle.
@hendrixisgod777
11 ай бұрын
At 26:55, my go to argument against Alien sightings by other pilots. My favourite plane, the blackbird sr71; if a commercial pilot saw one of those streaking past at Mach 3, they’d say it was an alien spaceship. The fact that the blackbird has been obsolete for twenty years just goes to show how advanced spy planes/bombers have become. No ufo sighting from commercial pilots can reasonably be relied upon; they don’t know what’s already out there. I really like this guy.
@phoenixskeptic7698
Жыл бұрын
Where do I start? I attended TAM4 way back when. TAM and the Skeptic movement was killed by the Atheism+ and feminism movement. I can't even listen to The Skeptics Guide for the last 6 1/2 years. Shermer is about the only skeptic I can follow.
@greatoak7661
Жыл бұрын
PLEASE talk about the DUMBs. I want to hear what he has to say about the Deep Underground Military Bases. Dr Greere gave Congress the 146 locations and entry points.
@mp9810
Жыл бұрын
I think it would be helpful if you weren't describing the UAP thing as people having "fallen for it." As in, "I'm amazed how many smart people have fallen for this." A lot of us haven't fallen for anything. But I am very interested in what's going on and I want to see if it leads to anything. It's entirely unhelpful to sit back and take a 15yr old Neil deGrasse Tyson attitude. The scientific community will have a lot to answer for if it turns out that there's anything to it, and the skepticism and career-fear kept us all clear. You'd probably say you'll take those odds - I wouldn't.
@j_freed
Жыл бұрын
I think you could call "the religion that is dying" cultural Christianity, or cultural Judaism… Etc. It's the external set of social norms that people in a group tend to obey. So you could call "wokeism" the new set of socially pressured norms… It provides people the same type of externally-performed roles to play, however artificial and detached from real moral value. Clearly things like the Salem witch hunts and The Inquisition are externally performed social roles gone very wrong. Generally these things have a twisted foundation of moral or religious "rightness." Throughout all these many centuries there has also been real religion, showing aspects like self inquiry, compassion, etc. This exists (often as a minority) despite "cultural religions" which may operate in very opposite terms to the real, internal religion these claim to represent. And this is our capacity as humans, this latter shallowness and hypocrisy.
@mang349
Жыл бұрын
Was the tool that the astronaut saw changing directions, making evasive maneuvers, taking off and appearing and the exact spot of the pilots encrypted rendezvous location? Also the argument of people confusing the SR71, etc. as UFOs is not a good one in all cases because the unexplained UFO sightings are silent, move in zigzag ways, they do not make a sonic boom when breaking the sound barrier, I can go on. I’m all for skepticism, but I don’t have patience for lack of applying common sense! I would like to know this guy’s opinion on these pilots accounts with multiple witnesses with instruments that provide all types of data that is incredibly convincing in regard to what they saw being a real, physical object that moves intelligently!
@AniishAu
Жыл бұрын
Sorry, I don't find this man skeptical so much as--dare I say it--naive. I can't even give his statistics that much credit. In a galaxy with 200 billion stars, billions of years old, what are the chances of ET races that are not thousands or millions of years more advanced than us. If so, I don't find it 'extraordinarily unlikely' that races have not been observing (in some capacity) our evolution for a very long time and have had the technological capacity to (mostly) keep it from interfering with our development. Frankly, I find it extraordinarily unlikely that this not be the case. You mention the failure of SETI, well sorry again. I think that's a bit like a cave man in a forest, disputing the possibility of advanced races observing him because he hasn't seen any smoke signals. I find the arrogance with which you dismiss the likelihood of ongoing ET presence much like that of the Christians who held firm to their flat earth. It is this naive and foolish line of reasoning that has us beaming out our presence to the universe: "over here! habitable ecosystem over here!" Does it strike you as a wise action in a universe with races of vastly different cultures, morals and technological standards?
@danbit
Жыл бұрын
Ah, Michael Shermer.. he comes in good faith dont you know? That new book title..typical Shermer: Takes an a priori position before interrogating the issue wholeheartedly. Not all conspiracy theories are irrational, some arise from actual, real-life conspiracies. Anyway, shouting into an empty theatre/the void springs to mind..
@phasis
Жыл бұрын
You know who blocked me? Billboard Chris. I found out when I saw him on one of your videos & went to follow him on twitter! I’m a nobody, so I’m assuming I said something he didn’t like. I know I didn’t call him a name, because I don’t do that. I support his kid safeguarding work. It’s the weirdest thing.
@dadsonworldwide3238
Жыл бұрын
Denying faith and belief systemS DOESNT FREE anyone from being in a cult or religion. religious freedom is free thought free right to believe whatever you choose. You cant not worship something its no escape . ! Context isnt monastic vows even athiest are making that themselves. We pretended let them live in emotivism they like standing on polemical high ground . Nothing about is nutrual or secularism its just a Sect of humanism its reformed paganism in parallel to Christianity.
@MattTheStatsMan
Жыл бұрын
You know, the thing about debates is that the question should be presumed to be ambiguous in some way. A scientist isn't going to go out there and debate gravity. Science is a truth-seeking endeavor, it's a process. Debate is a sideshow. If a scientist 'loses a debate' is the science wrong? No. The debate has nothing to do with the science, or the validity of any claim. This is what people like RFK actually hinge their popularity on. He doesn't have any obligation to the truth. It actually degrades the fields of science to engage in these pedantic exercises. Sartre's quote on antisemitism comes to mind.
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