Hitchens isn't an ally, wtf did you ever think he'd behave like one. Such cope.
@romyarmada2521
Ай бұрын
He’s become out of touch. Maybe age and let’s be fair he did write about the decline of Britain for decades when lots of people saw him as a posh idiot not to mention his conflicts with his brother. I think what is important is his spirit is broken, the lack of fight to do anything. Not defending him as he as been more harmful than good in the last few years but I think that’s why a man like him can write a great book, The Abolition of Britain to being a cuck for the Tories when he knows they need to be destroyed.
@finnogorman5683
Ай бұрын
If we all say that labour will be worse, then shouldn't we want conservative instead?
@Alfred5555
Ай бұрын
@nowherepeople3431 He never was, he's a conscious political double agent. He goes on left wing shows, does little stunts that boost ratings, cares about his own profile, etc. He's just the acceptable conservative, but fully part of the establishment team. The thing that always rings in my ears with Hitchens, is a thing he said himself on video, that when he was young and an active Trotskyist, he was secretive about it and part of all sorts of secret groups, whom he says many now high profile politicians were also part of. He says that he decided to confess himself and make his history known, but for those other politicians it's their own choice to make that known. If it matters as much as he seems to like others to think it does, then surely simply letting it be know who such politicians are and their history would be a major priority. It's not to him, I think because mostly he's still just mentally still in his secondary school years with this persona he has, seeing it as a bit of game of clubs, but also that he's just in on it.
@trooperinvestor9336
Ай бұрын
@nowherepeople3431He never was.
@mrkeeny
Ай бұрын
Hitchins, saviour of the Tory party. Can we now stop idolising him.
@mrkeeny
Ай бұрын
He only wanted to destroy the Tory party when they got a leader he didnt like.
@fillyfresh
Ай бұрын
He is getting slated from now on.
@gibbo675
Ай бұрын
Once you realise that voting is nothing more allowing someone Power of Attorney over your affairs of state at Crown you might stop doing this stupid voting nonsense. When you are represented you are not present, ie you have lost your mind as an illiterate. Even more apparent when you understand that the "X" is the mark of the illiterate.
@SacClass650
Ай бұрын
No, he's great. Stop being a child.
@theirDevil
Ай бұрын
Intellectual cowardice is not the sign of a great man. Your immature idolization of him is the only childishness on display here.
@spiritfree5050
Ай бұрын
Dont under estimate the Boomer they will start Nuclear War on their death bed
@KittSpiken
Ай бұрын
They want to drop bombs they're gonna have to make it through the pillow.
@PenultimateWarrior
Ай бұрын
When push comes to shove, Hitchens has been a let down. When it came to the jab, he folded. And he did it again when the Tories were on the brink of destruction. Pure containment.
@afuzzycreature8387
Ай бұрын
He's not containment, he's just a massive wuss afraid of his own shadow
@monophthalmos9633
Ай бұрын
Imagine a TV show with AA and Dankula as cops in New Orleans.
@thehound9638
Ай бұрын
That would be epic!
@lervish1966
Ай бұрын
They are both unhealthy and reactionary enough to be American cops,
@monophthalmos9633
Ай бұрын
AA: "It's just too bloody hot, I'll never be able to sleep in this shithole" CD: "Aye, they're calling it the shweaty buddcragg of the cooontinent." AA: "No wonder everyone's milling around, do you see anyone working? I don't." CD: "Did Evoler talk about this?"
@benisrood
Ай бұрын
@@monophthalmos9633 Nah, Dankula would be spending all his time chasing bussy.
@jamesedwards366
Ай бұрын
I was disappointed the tories didn’t get double digits seats, but it’s a step in the right direction
@specialforces101
Ай бұрын
totally
@woodwyrm
Ай бұрын
true true
@JagdgeschwaderX
Ай бұрын
Most of their survivors are the worst wet Tories which will do nothing for their cause. They're finished.
@LawrenceTimme
Ай бұрын
People will forget and vooote them back in in a few years just watch.
@jacklind1894
Ай бұрын
It depends whether they can find a leader around whom they can coalesce without some breaking away.
@martinbrown2612
Ай бұрын
The Lotus Eaters coverage came 2nd behind the BBC in terms of views, but actually came in 5th in Best coverage of the night thanks to the first past the post system.
@vulpesinculta3238
Ай бұрын
What I took away from this election is that Muslims now have more political agency than they did in the past. For decades Muslims in all European countries have been clients in a Social Democratic patronage system - Social Democrats provided Muslims with welfare and sinecures for community leaders, and Muslim community leaders provided the Social Democrats with a reliable voting bloc in exchange. But what you see now, in several European countries, is that Muslims are beginning to form their own political parties, successfully running their own political candidates and significantly influencing local and national politics in their own way, according to their own values, increasingly separate from their former Social Democratic patrons. I live in the Netherlands. There is a party here called DENK, which split off from the Social Democratic PvdA (which is our equivalent of Labour). They represent the Turkish and Moroccan communities in this country, as well as the broader Muslim community. Since their founding in 2015 they've gained thousands of active members and 3 out of 150 seats in our Parliament. However, what's really interesting is what their niches are. During the 2018 council elections it was reported that half of all young Muslim voters voted for them - beating the Social Democrats more than two to one. And in the 2023 parliamentary elections, exit polls showed that among young voters DENK stood at over 6% of the total vote, which in 15-party system is a lot, beating the Christian Democrats, Democratic Socialists and Eurofederalists. This is a phenomenon that a lot of people are still sleeping on. I think it's going to pose a major problem, not just for Social Democrats (who, as you suggested, are going to have to choose between the white working class vote and the Muslim particularist vote), but for the system as a whole, because these Muslim particularists strongly diverge from the political mainstream in terms of the welfare state (which they want to expand for selfish reasons, instead of cutting it down to size to keep it sustainable), foreign policy (they massively favour Gaza instead of Israel) and cultural values (they've been joining up with the far-right in opposing LGBT+ stuff). It actually gives me a bit of Schadenfreude - they thought they could control the golem of the Muslim bloc vote, but now it's taken on a life of its own and it's turning against its creators.
@user-gd2rg8xg2y
Ай бұрын
Yes I've been saying this for years, Muslims are still a very small fraction of our (UK) population but are becoming highly mobilised. At the start of the election a number of British Muslim influencers created "The Muslim Vote" movement to stop Muslims voting Labour. Everyone laughed at this and said it was going nowhere, then election day happens and they managed to score 4 independent anti-Labour Muslim mps. That puts them at the same representative level as the Green Party and one seat behind Reform. Anyone who underestimates the coming conflict between Muslims and progressives is delusional
@georgesdelatour
Ай бұрын
The problem with the Conservatives is that they have talked right but acted left. It got them the worst of both worlds. Open borders types attacked them as if they were implementing the immigration restrictions they only talked about. People who wanted immigration restrictions saw the results and didn't feel enthused to vote for them.
@JT-bc5cd
Ай бұрын
This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is to-day one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will to-morrow be forced upon its timidity, and will be succeeded by some third revolution, to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. Conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. -Robert L. Dabney, 1871
@vanillagorilla9732
Ай бұрын
- The Tories will prefer to win back Lib Dem voters than Reform voters. - Labour will prefer to win back Muslim and Green voters than Reform voters. - So Reform has a lot of room to grow.
@ambivalentonion2620
Ай бұрын
Room for reform to grow and become the next farage containment project yay, even if they get big enough to mean anything it will just become CONform and the tory patronage will move over
@johna2008
Ай бұрын
Democracy is fake and ghey
@benisrood
Ай бұрын
@@ambivalentonion2620 Exactly correct. 'Reformers' are just another form of deluded.
@evolassunglasses4673
Ай бұрын
Hitchens is the ultimate enemy. Never a friend.
@Tom_Hadler
Ай бұрын
I actively dislike him
@SacClass650
Ай бұрын
Grow up.
@MimiRAM0NE
Ай бұрын
@@SacClass650Into what?
@_Dovar_
Ай бұрын
No, the ultimate enemy is... someone else.
@globmonkey200716102
Ай бұрын
@@SacClass650 how dare they attack your favorite tory shill?
@richardcrook2112
Ай бұрын
Me: Boomer Tory why did you vote Conservative? Boomer: A vote not for Conservative is a vote for Labour Me: Who told you that? Boomer: Peter Hitchens.
@nbamford03
Ай бұрын
Me: Young voter why did you vote labour Gen Z: Respect my pronouns What a waste of good air you lot are
@w3ss3x
Ай бұрын
@@nbamford03 LOL baited
@epicninja2378
Ай бұрын
@@nbamford03 bro what year is it? Have you just stepped out of a time machine from 2015?
@JosephStealin
Ай бұрын
My only criticism of the lotus eaters coverage was that woman they had on. She kept talking. At one point she said if you had Nick Griffin on, I’d be out the door. I’ve never wanted Nick Griffin on a stream more.
@RichardPhillips1066
Ай бұрын
Missed her thank god
@progste
Ай бұрын
I would say audio issues + looping break song were a bit annoying.
@RichardPhillips1066
Ай бұрын
@@progste oh jesus that shity Novelty song playing over and over , I had forgotten that
@RichardPhillips1066
Ай бұрын
@@JosephStealin they Totally ignored Nigels vote count, which was bizarre , Considering the chat was about as far right as it's possible to be and still stay online
@JagdgeschwaderX
Ай бұрын
I wanted to hear what AA said and she talked over people, I had to tune out
@toby319
Ай бұрын
You can't sodomise a pig's head.
@RFSA180
Ай бұрын
You’re legless mate.
@bengale9977
Ай бұрын
Dutton was absolutely off the wall during that stream. I had to rewatch his part again the next day. It was just too good.
@globalistgamer6418
Ай бұрын
Cameron...finds a way.
@tastypymp1287
Ай бұрын
Won't stop me trying.
@evolassunglasses4673
Ай бұрын
~ Ed Dutton
@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871
Ай бұрын
400 seats from 20% of the population? Its absurd.
@eventhorizon88
Ай бұрын
Welcome to democracy
@Goths-On-The-Beach
Ай бұрын
There are pros and cons to this. It also means that the green party has very little seats if any - they are always crying about it.
@aminorchacha
Ай бұрын
Some people still think that Britain went to the dogs with 1832 Reform Act
@bengale9977
Ай бұрын
Why? The only upside of our system is that despite being democratic it rejects the stupid continental PR system that ensures that no one ever wins true power and they are stuck in eternal coalitions.
@realitywins9020
Ай бұрын
What are you talking about? Labour got 34%. And no one else came close
@letsallbe-friends1120
Ай бұрын
The Lotus Eaters stream was fun. Echoey Ed Dutton and Morgoth call in's were a highlight. 👍
@watchingyoutube5093
Ай бұрын
"haha David Cameron your dad has no legs", "he looks like a Mr. Man", and "legless legless man" were some highlights
@smithno-mates2341
Ай бұрын
Ed Dutton calling from the void was hilarious.
@alidaraie
Ай бұрын
I only managed to catch the Dr Dutton part... I hadn't laughed this hard for a very long time. Count Dankula realizing he isn't even the second dankest person on the panel
@ra8784
Ай бұрын
I missed both of them. I'll have to rewatch the whole video.
@mrkeeny
Ай бұрын
The amateurism was part of the charm
@TABRO284
Ай бұрын
My Grandad a typical conservative voter voted for Blair to get a bit more money in his pension
@Nick-io9uk
Ай бұрын
The first thing Blairbrown did was screw over pension funds with the scrapping of the dividend tax credit. And then was their widely mocked 75p pension increase in 1999. New labour weren't great for pensioners. Tax credits and in work benefits yes, pensioners no. The Tories have been great for pensioners. New state pension and triple lock. Admittedly it was needed due to Thatcher destroying private pensions, but it's not like that was undone by labour
@KittSpiken
Ай бұрын
I hope that extra cruise was worth his progeny not being able to afford a home.
@clownetto981
Ай бұрын
The eternal Boomer
@tonydalton6756
Ай бұрын
I said to my wife that Hitchens was shilling for the Tories whilst pretending not to.
@Carroty_Peg
Ай бұрын
I like the story of Alexander the Great and the Gordian Knot. According to legend, the first person to untie the Gordian Knot would become the ruler of Asia. He sliced it in half with a sword. People seem wedded to some mystical idea they can change a system by entering it the same way everyone else has. I believe if a system's main premise is flawed, all subsequent parts will be flawed as well. I don’t believe it can be ‘tinkered’ or ‘reformed’.
@Alfred5555
Ай бұрын
Well England has had Reformations, Revolutions, and Restorations as historical moments. But essentially Alexander is correct.
@rhett3185
Ай бұрын
oftentimes the simpler way is the correct way
@zx9mel
Ай бұрын
A colleague aged 60 subscribes to The Telegraph. He reads it as though it is the received Word of God. I’m 55 and think the entire thing is a comic.
@juliantheapostate8295
Ай бұрын
All papers are comics
@dantean
Ай бұрын
The Hitchens brothers were never anything less than culture-hustlers. One hustled the Left, the other the Right. THAT'S how you get that big--because you're NOT a threat to ANYTHING, but merely give the appearance (at least to the uninitiated). I've always been surprised he's taken at all seriously by this channel.
@juliantheapostate8295
Ай бұрын
Well said
@dantean
Ай бұрын
@@juliantheapostate8295 Thanks.
@4zafinc
Ай бұрын
One brother simped for Iraq war. The other one for Tories
@hydrosphere49
Ай бұрын
From what I can tell as well Hitchens' objection to it is that it didn't happen in 2010. And that's it, the rest from him is copium. This didn't happen in 2010 so he does everything to save the Tories, an absolute coward.
@Alfred5555
Ай бұрын
It didn't happen in 2010, because it was never going to happen in 2010. Why are people so taken in by the idea that the best time to diminish a political party, was just as they were having their great modern revival? He talks nonsense. Like with this election, people weren't saying it's a brilliant time to defeat the Labour party, no it was their upswing, if anything 2010 was the moment to defeat the Labour party, because it was their downswing. Just utter nonsense.
@tor9362
Ай бұрын
It didn't happen in 2010...and then his assets grew and grew and suddenly he became very very scared of capital gains tax and inheritance tax
@suewood8538
Ай бұрын
I'm so angry with my fellow Boomers, I know what AA says is true about this election. . I just want younger people to know not all Boomers are the same.
@TechnaFox
Ай бұрын
We know but your generation is still the worst in history.
@fillyfresh
Ай бұрын
Boom Boom Boom, Boom Boom Boom - Baldrick
@14Anon2
Ай бұрын
Thanks, Sue.
@Daimo83
Ай бұрын
"I'm the exception!"
@monolithtunes
Ай бұрын
@@TechnaFox Petulant child
@DeezN1892
Ай бұрын
Hitchins is a dinosaur. Part of the old guard. He was tremendously counterproductive during the election
@cortain330
Ай бұрын
The day of the pillow can not come soon enough.
@Valencetheshireman927
Ай бұрын
My father voted Tory, he fell for the old bs of “ oh if Labour get in they’ll tax us to the hilt”. Tried explaining that the Tories have already done that but he said it was justified because COVID. Had no response on the immigration figures. Sad to see.
@LawrenceTimme
Ай бұрын
Labour were going to win anyway, so why vote Tory at all. It was pointless
@Valencetheshireman927
Ай бұрын
@@LawrenceTimme Exactly but he doesn’t see the Tories and Labour as a uni party. He believes there is a difference and that we are worse off under Labour. It’s just tragic to see that his politics comes largely from the Daily Mail.
@sensational_cellar8606
Ай бұрын
Our whole lives are a boomer laughing maniacally at us
@KittSpiken
Ай бұрын
"Work harder, eh?"
@sensational_cellar8606
Ай бұрын
@@thadtuiol1717 Top boomer-ing there
@danielhall3895
Ай бұрын
This should be an eye opening lesson on who really thwarts your attempts to shake to system with rear guard action. Peter Hitchens ran to regime containment control, Triggernometry just before the election to message the upper middle class, gen X, Unheard/GBNews/Triggernometry watching anti-woke "dissident" voter to uphold kayfabe. Hitchens knew that audience's fear of real change, and need for stability and continuity, and his appeal was successful. Hitchens has shown that when push came to shove, he disdains his actual philosophical children who believed in him. In an almost cronusian sense he wanted to swallow his offspring to stop them. He swerved his own believers, and going on the most visible regime containment, "dissident" show to do it was an intentional backhand to you all. People like Hitchens will be your biggest obstacle to destroying the conservatives for good, not the left. He announced to you that he is your foe, and you should listen when someone tells you who he is.
@wiggawithattitude
Ай бұрын
The system survived.
@martynfenton3814
Ай бұрын
@@wiggawithattitude yes but in a comma and on life support for 5 yrs😁
@romyarmada2521
Ай бұрын
Yes, however I think people are rather to quick and critical to judge The Zero Seats campaign. Did it destroy the Tory party? No. But what it did done is provide the common man with the truth that the Tories are the same as Labour and both are the same and I think many people will remember that regarding what’s coming under Labour and that may have an affect in future elections. So to summarise, it might not be the quick death but it might be part of the slow death of the Tories.
@bh_486
Ай бұрын
@@martynfenton3814 Coma?
@twentysecondnomad8177
Ай бұрын
American here, it could have been better, could have been worse from what I hear. This is as good a start as Reform could have hoped for realistically with the voting system you have there! Hold the Conservatives hostage with the vote share!
@Alfred5555
Ай бұрын
Nigel Farage seems to think the same in some ways. He seems to think Reform has about half of the tory vote in their pocket (though the voter turn out was very low this time, so there are many likely emotional but unenthused voters still out there) and I imagine they imagine that'll only grow, but he said that now they will specifically go after Labour votes. If they got 25% of the Labour vote, it's hard to say how many seats that'd translate into, but it'd made Reform a firm opposition in terms of the national conversation.
@notsogood4321
Ай бұрын
@@Alfred5555 What reform really needs to do is get local candidates and target campains focused in the areas they run , its all well and good having a good internet campaign but the issue is that those dont speak to the local peoples issues within their little town, its casting a net too wide and ultimately that brings the ire of "charities" like hope not hate attacking candidates and some of the more boomer type reform members bucking under the scrutiny to denounce those members
@Alfred5555
Ай бұрын
@@notsogood4321 I'm not sure what difference it'd make if people don't like the candidates they picked. The Reform candidate in my area, his leaflet had multiple spelling and grammar mistakes, ones typical of English being a second language. I voted begrudgingly, so much so that if it was the same or similar again in 2029 I don't think I'd vote. I often wonder, I know a constituency is about 70,000 people, but in 5 years, is it really so hard to visit or somehow meet a good amount of those constituents. My local candidate seemed to be well off, he doesnt work for his money owning businesses etc. Surely he had enough free time to dedicate to just campaigning or meeting constituents if he really wanted too. I would wager that the vast majority of any constituents who actually meet a candidate they're happy to talk to, would end up voting for them just on the human interaction alone (if it was good), but I've never seen any member of parlaiment anywhere in public, even just getting a coffee, and I live near a fairly busy city where I have seen regional news reporters just randomly getting a coffee, etc, and I don't even go to the city so much. I'm not experienced in any way with actual political theory of British campaigning, but I don't think just accepting any candidate, especially if they fit a narrative, and rejecting any who actually make a name for themselves, is a good idea. For example, I showed my father the news about that Beau Dade candidate who was deselected, at first he said he didn't like the look of him (a common flippant remake he makes when some random thing stands out), but he was immediately interested in what he said and wanted to know all about who he was and why he was known. I'd of thought a little bit of celebrity, a searchable name, was worth it's weight in gold with politics. I'm surprised it's not more common for serious candidates to be encouraged to have real online presence, to just start a podcast or do some weekly vlogs, etc, not just the same cookie cutter "hi, I've just visited out brilliant local business and it was great", none of our candidates these days are actually local, and we all know it. I'm very in favour of things being changed back to that way of the ancient wittan, but that's not how it is today.
@notsogood4321
Ай бұрын
@@Alfred5555 fair enough, boomers are gonna boomer after all , but in my area we got one reform leaflet about 2 days before voting so it was a bit annoying to see so little effort being put in , I feel that if they had a better understanding of which places they would be welcomed they can better focus their efforts on getting a good candidate and make sure everyone knows what their plans are after all reform aren't exactly swimming in money. I'm sorry to hear that the candidate in your area was so inadequate . I agree some level of internet presence is necessary but in my view the internet presence is there for people who are already interested in your party to read / listen to your more in-depth beliefs, you can probably fast track the minor e-celeb status by simply piping into channels like the lotus eater since not only will you immediately be seen by people who like the party , you can get some contacts that might be useful for campaigning from Carl and the gang. As for candidates not being local , I'll speak from my point of view - I'm not native British but I think I'm well integrated at least I try to be, a large issue in my view is that native British people are extremely shy/ scared to put themselves out there , they see political opportunities and just pass them up for no good reason . I don't know if native Brits are just really good at hiding it but when I hear about the stuff that happened in Rotherham I just see red , but I don't see it from native Brits if I'm honest.
@mattyice852
Ай бұрын
I was checking the results every so often and was pretty surprised that Reform only got 4 seats
@StevenFinlayGB
Ай бұрын
The lotuseaters coverage was good. The only fly in the ointment was that boorish Australian woman who spoke all over every one else. Couldn't hear what you and others had to say.
@MilkmanLocalist
Ай бұрын
Despite Zero Seats failing, The Adults Have Entered The Room. So far I'm impressed with how Starmer has started to conduct things as promised. People need to just wait and see if they deliver those promises. I strongly believe they will reduce legal immigration, stop the small boats, cut NHS waiting times, get the countries industries back again, lock up the ASBOs, fix our streets and end the economic madness that the Tories created.
@juliantheapostate8295
Ай бұрын
Bwahahahaah. Top comment
@MisterMcMichael
Ай бұрын
The Daily Mail was very pro Tory and anti Reform I noticed.
@nicktaylor7247
Ай бұрын
Im starting to think that until the boomers are out of the way nothing will change, and unfortunately the damage will be irreversible by then
@Dezzasheep
Ай бұрын
Just seeing Hunt's face makes my toes curl.
@ra8784
Ай бұрын
Imagine if he became the next Tory leader ;)
@Dezzasheep
Ай бұрын
@@ra8784 my toes will disappear inside themselves
@mrkeeny
Ай бұрын
Only Hancock has a more repellent effect on me
@lervish1966
Ай бұрын
How does seeing your own face make you feel?
@Dezzasheep
Ай бұрын
@@lervish1966 ok I suppose. My face has been on my face all my life, how about you?
@wessexfox5197
Ай бұрын
Alicia Kearns got back in! Rutland and Stamford you deserve everything you have coming to you
@alg7115
Ай бұрын
Yeah they really need a refugee camp there
@Nick-io9uk
Ай бұрын
perhaps she'll do us all a favour and defect.
@Szymanskill
Ай бұрын
Stamford always votes Conservative, unless reform, labour or libs tactically drop out there's little chance of it changing
@wessexfox5197
Ай бұрын
@@Szymanskill sadly if you look at the numbers it would’ve taken Labour, greens, Lib Dems and Reform all would have had to added their votes behind one candidate to oust her.
@user-gd2rg8xg2y
Ай бұрын
Because my constituency is 90% elderly who don't even know who alicia kearns is, they just marked the tory box on the ballot paper and went home
@specialforces101
Ай бұрын
Boris 'won all of these seats' by lying to the Red Wall
@charlieweaver6322
Ай бұрын
He said he'd get Brexit done, while Corbyn said he'd rejoin. That was probably the main issue that swung it for him. Also, Farage and the Brexit party stood down. Reform is basically the Brexit party and this is what would've happened in 2019 if Farage hadn't stepped aside and let the Tories win.
@Alfred5555
Ай бұрын
@@charlieweaver6322 I don't think so. Boris at that time was actually very popular. His real policy beliefs aside, as a character he was largely liked. Still today many hold the belief that what the media did about him with "party gate" was just a hatchet job. The coup of Sunak over the Truss really just dazzled the nation and made everyone immediately distrustful of the Conservative party as a whole. The reason everyone voted against Corbyn was because he is a "literally a communist" type, and has a very infamous history of strange friends. Believe it or not, the Red Wall aren't rabid globalist liberals, they're just terribly reactionary and tribal. In many parts of the Red Wall, specifically the North West, Reform and Greens actually soared in the polls, each coming 3rd or even 2nd in several.
@Nick-io9uk
Ай бұрын
Any man who can get elected in a place like London, twice, & suddenly do an about turn to make himself electable in pit villages is more concerned about power than convictions.
@charlieweaver6322
Ай бұрын
@@Alfred5555 I'm from the North West so I know the Red Wall aren't rabid globalist liberals. Whilst Boris was popular back then, a lot of it, at least in the Red Wall, would've been on the back of the Brexit referendum, which he lead along with Farage and Gove. As AA points out in this video, Corbyn actually won more votes, even in 2019, than Starmer won this time, so it's not so much that people were voting against Corbyn but were voting in favour of Boris who said he'd get Brexit done. Remember, it had been 3/12 years since the referendum and we still hadn't left. People who voted to leave were sick and tired of the hold-up and probably would've voted for anyone if they thought they could deliver Brexit. I remember seeing interviews with people in the Red Wall in 2019 who were voting Tory for the first time, almost apologetically. Often they would say something along the lines of, 'My dad would be turning in his grave if he knew I was voting Tory'. They'd been taught to never vote Tory (probably correctly) and would likely only vote tribally for Labour, or possibly Lib Dems, if they were being edgy. After voting Tory in 2019 they were finally able to break the spell. It didn't work out well for them, obviously, but at least they're free from the unthinking tribal vote for Labour. I suspect many of them would've voted for the Brexit Party in 2019 if given the choice, and this time probably voted Reform or abstained. The Greens doing well in the North West might have something to do with the Muslim vote and their alignment on the issue of Palestine/Gaza. It might also be that more young women from the region are going to university and being indoctrinated into the climate cult.
@edwardcullen1739
Ай бұрын
He just lied.
@kickpublishing
Ай бұрын
We need to meme out “we want old Labour - not new Labour” and Labour divisions will grow because the real socialists in their midst will feel emboldened.
@Nick-io9uk
Ай бұрын
interesting idea. might play with the younger sorts. To a lot of boomers labour still seems to mean 'the three day week' though. (which actually sounds quite nice now)
@IVIaskerade
Ай бұрын
Old Labour was pro-worker, not bougie. It was anti-capitalist, not for unlimited immigration to prop up the global oligarchy. It was plain spoken and no-nonsense, and it won. That's the message that can split labour apart. Well, that and the Muslim issue.
@Nick-io9uk
Ай бұрын
Kier starmers namesake Mr Hardie cut his political teeth keeping Lithuanian scab labour out of Scottish coal mines. As late as the 1970s and even 1990s labour were more hostile to east African Asians and Hong kongers being permitted entry into the UK than Tories. As Bernie Sanders said open borders are primarily a right wing objective
@realitywins9020
Ай бұрын
@@Nick-io9ukwell said. The Tories increased immigration to record breaking levels and Liz Truss let the cat out of the bag when she was prime minister and said that she wanted MORE immigration because it's good for business and for corporations to make even more profits by hiring foreigners for cheap labour over native Brits. My economic views are Old Labour style socialism combined with patriotism
@realitywins9020
Ай бұрын
@@Nick-io9ukunrestrained free market capitalism is the enemy. All it wants is open borders and mass immigration for cheap labour. It sees people as nothing more than economic units to be moved around the world without regard to faith, family or nation. Capitalists would sell their own children to grooming gangs
@bitsnbobs1107
Ай бұрын
I live in Ashington, Northumberland, former mining town and long time Labour stronghold. Labour won by a wide margin here but i dont know anyone who went back to them. I dont think Labour won back many of their white working class vote. I think their loyalists showed up as always and the tory 2019 voters either stayed home or voted Reform
@HouseholdDog
Ай бұрын
I think you might have missed one of the biggest factors. That is that this was a guaranteed Labour victory. If the result is guaranteed, low motivation voters, won't vote. There really isn't a point.
@krayon_eater
Ай бұрын
You don't hate Boomers enough. You think you do, but you don't.
@manofkent4472
Ай бұрын
Hitchins is a contrarian - which is why he objected vehemently to being called as such by Triggernometry. As such as soon as you agree with him, he alters his position. Why? because he is ALWAYS right and you simple fools are ALWAYS wrong. Moreover, his arrogant behaviour is making him forget his military history. If you have 2 enemies, you don't give succour to the weaker one in the hope that they might distract the stronger one as they are more likely to ally themselves with your stronger enemy to destroy you. You crush the weaker one, even if you loose ground to the stronger one, then with your back safe you go after the stronger one.
@pageboy1974
Ай бұрын
If I was a billionaire I would hire someone to follow him round agreeing with him on everything jut to p him off.
@RichardPhillips1066
Ай бұрын
I literally had him savage me on twitter cause I was agreeing with him ....twice, and I was a tiny twitter account, hes a bit mental imho
@andrewespinoza2896
Ай бұрын
Wrong brother got cancer
@RichardPhillips1066
Ай бұрын
@@andrewespinoza2896 debatable, Chris was more Charismatic but an off the charts liberal
@andrewespinoza2896
Ай бұрын
@@RichardPhillips1066 you might know more than me. He seemed more like a populist lefty, a sorta jimmy dore type. Despised the establishment and neo cons and libs. That version of lefty I can carefully tolerate.
@ah1rooivalk
Ай бұрын
You should have known the moment Pieter Hitchens said you should abandon your homeland, he is not on yourside.
@ElevenDollarCheese
Ай бұрын
Wow, that reveal at 13:28 of "The Eternal Boomer" was goddamn hilarious.
@winstonsmith8240
Ай бұрын
I'm a boomer and I was desperate for zero seats! I'm offended. (And sad).
@willosee
Ай бұрын
Can’t get over how badly the new PM dresses. His suits are too tight, he wears monochromic ties all the time, and he has never learned how to button up his coat. Sunak, if possible, is even worse. His stovepipe cut trousers are dreadful.
@georgesdelatour
Ай бұрын
Regarding the Wet Tory argument about Con losses in the south and south west. These Seats went LibDem because: 1) Labour voters voted tactically for the LibDems. 2) Reform took votes away from the Conservatives. But there was no significant Con to LibDem movement of votes. There were over 180 previously Conservative seats lost this time, where the margin of Labour or LibDem victory was smaller than the combined total of Con and Reform votes. Our new Home Secretary, Angela Rayner, has spoken about the need to distribute migrants evenly across the country. Labour will start building migrant housing on the green belt. They will come after private pensions and will jack up inheritance tax. This is why I think the shire Tory voters will happily vote for right wingers next time, provided the candidates have good table manners and aren’t too gammony in public.
@Ithaka1290
Ай бұрын
Angela Rayner is not the home secretary
@georgesdelatour
Ай бұрын
BTW I've repeatedly heard it argued that shire Tory voters are all hardcore Remain/Rejoin supporters who share the political passions of Gina Miller, Anand Menon, and Femi Oluwole. Apparently they're so angry about having to queue in the "Other" line at Florence airport when they go to Tuscany that they'll vote LibDem en masse. Based on the 2024 election results, I see no evidence of this. Most may be pro-Rejoin, but the issue isn't near the top of their Maslow hierarchy of needs.
@georgesdelatour
Ай бұрын
@@Ithaka1290 Ahh yes. Got my Labour ladies mixed up...!
@ekksoku
Ай бұрын
If he makes his money complaining about 'Tory vs Labour', if one of them goes and they both collapse, what will he complain about next?
@The_New_IKB
Ай бұрын
Peter Hitchens thinks too highly of himself!
@raphaelponzi
Ай бұрын
The Conservative core vote is now OAPs who have voted Tory all their lives and continue to do so automatically, but have no idea, none whatsoever, how thoroughly left-wing the Conservatives now actually are. So, on the plus side for us on the right, this vote will continue to whittle away naturally, and in one or two election cycles will be completely gone, and the Tory Party with it.
@scottcurtis2193
Ай бұрын
I shall watch the Dankula-Agent alliance with great interest
@phoenixreborn6065
Ай бұрын
I feel for you AA on the Zero Seats defeat, it was a great idea so hats off to you. Hitchens let us all down especially as they ended up with 121 seats in the end so there wasn't all that much in it at all. My area among others went to Lib Dem for the first time since the seat was created in the late 1800s so I was thinking, "Wow, if even the safest Tory seats are switching, we might just have a chance here of Zero Seats after all!". I saw Rishi conceding when the Tories were still under 100 seats and wondered if they might end up in late 90s in terms of seats but we'd still just about get over the line at around 97/98 something like that.and then the dreaded tweet came in about them making it to 100 and just like that it was all over and the rest was irrelevant 😞😢. On the upside the Lotus Eaters stream was a lot of fun so thanks for going on there, thoroughly enjoyed it although the woman (Don't know her name) who kept talking over you lot at one point was infuriating 😂 but you can't have everything I guess 😆.
@realitychick4502
Ай бұрын
Peter Hutchins is a narcissist 😢
@lervish1966
Ай бұрын
Everyone is a narcissist except you.
@PenultimateWarrior
Ай бұрын
@@realitychick4502 he always has to feel like the cleverest man in the room. It is profoundly tedious.
@realitychick4502
Ай бұрын
@@lervish1966 everyone? Nah about 1 in 6 have no capacity for emotional empathy and are on the dark triad. Being narcissistic is a trait we all have to varying degrees. A trait is different to a personality disorder. So being narcissistic is not comparable to being a narcissist. HG TUDOR on KZitem is a fantastic resource if you want to learn about narcissists.
@TickleMeChelmno
Ай бұрын
He’s a chosenite
@swikles713
Ай бұрын
A soft fortification was only necessary because there is no Trump in UK politics.
@Doomer1984
Ай бұрын
The "Day of the pillow" can't come soon enough!
@freenarnia6913
Ай бұрын
Could you do an episode on the handover of Hong Kong?
@sephus99
Ай бұрын
The turnout was very low and would've been worse if Farage hadn't got involved in the election. The biggest switch in voting is from Conservative to not voting. The polling for Labour's vote share was a lot higher than what happened. People are even less enthused with them than I expected. A national Muslim political party seems likely at the next election rather than independents. Scotland seems to have fallen out with the SNP even more than England has with the Conservatives.
@pageboy1974
Ай бұрын
Zero votes
@realitywins9020
Ай бұрын
The SNP got 30% in Scotland. Compared to 24% for the Tories UK wide
@Goths-On-The-Beach
Ай бұрын
Zero Seats lost cos Boomers need that unlimited money 💰
@specialforces101
Ай бұрын
Amazing online success. Well done. Our revenge will be the laughter of our children.
@deepzepp4176
Ай бұрын
The way Hitchens behaved before and during the election campaign was disgraceful, and we should never let him forget it. He acted like a pure propagandist in the final weeks before the election. The question is, why did he act like this?
@pageboy1974
Ай бұрын
2010 was Brown v Cameron.
@deepzepp4176
Ай бұрын
@@pageboy1974 Bollox, I was thinking of 2015. Cheers.
@pageboy1974
Ай бұрын
@@deepzepp4176 No worries
@HBeaucoup
Ай бұрын
Thank you for this insightful analysis!
@goodlookinouthomie1757
Ай бұрын
Like Isildur at Mount Doom.... Hitchens is just a man.
@juliantheapostate8295
Ай бұрын
One area where the movie fell short is there was no time to get across how noble Isildur was, he was truly a great man. Just shows what power can do
@TartanCatholic
Ай бұрын
Midazolam and Morphine suddenly doesn't sound so bad...
@MasterCrawford88
Ай бұрын
a lot of people are skeptical of rumble’s viewer number especially when you compare chat activity to comparably viewed streams on platforms like youtube or kick. im sure the stream was still a resounding success just good to be aware
@NFSCfan
Ай бұрын
How ironic that Peter Hitchens could be a big part of the reason the Tories continue to be relevant. I consider this a fundamental betrayal, specially considering that he was one of the only mainstream figures to be saying that our political system is broken to the core, and this was one of the only opportunities we have ever had to do something about that
@JagdgeschwaderX
Ай бұрын
He cucked
@richtea615
Ай бұрын
Hitchens of Many Colours
@Bettingtips-qf3qm
Ай бұрын
I wish you would do more videos going through the political landscape impartially. This is amazing!
@lervish1966
Ай бұрын
He isn't intelligent enough to be impartial.
@edmund184
Ай бұрын
I couldn't get over Angela Rayner turning up in a suit that even David Byrne wouldn't be seen dead in.
@lomaxdesigns1716
Ай бұрын
Just to correct you on the Lotus Eaters viewing figures. It was WAY MORE than you stated. I was in the Rumble chat all night. It had at least 113K. I'm guessing it will have been around 250k across all platforms.
@lonesheepdog6337
Ай бұрын
All glory to our new communist overlords and the police officers reading the comments looking for opponents of the regime 👍
@tzazosghost8256
Ай бұрын
++good
@lervish1966
Ай бұрын
All roads lead to communism.
@5ilver42
Ай бұрын
it's funny how Peter Hitchen's fear of Labour is what ensured Labour's victory
@nevajism
Ай бұрын
maybe hitchens was either bribed or threatened to betray us
@orenalbertmeisel3127
Ай бұрын
"It's over" - Peter Hitchens
@properkhunt710
Ай бұрын
I don’t see Rayner as anything other than a Prescott type job. A big oaf given a non job and kept in the background.
@pageboy1974
Ай бұрын
It is an elected position - deputy leader becomes deputy PM for Labour, so it is not even a non job. Starmer has to have her.
@properkhunt710
Ай бұрын
@@pageboy1974 There doesn’t have to be a deputy prime minister, Thatcher never had one. When the role is not used, usually another cabinet minister is the de facto deputy, Raab was one such example.
@pageboy1974
Ай бұрын
@@properkhunt710 True, but internally not giving the deputy leder something would have been hard to do so, I guess, Starmer, chose that as better than giving her power over a department.
@juliantheapostate8295
Ай бұрын
@@properkhunt710 There no deputy prime ministers until Attlee
@veiddimaddur8354
Ай бұрын
At least Wales gave you zero seats
@JagdgeschwaderX
Ай бұрын
Oh yeh and we're getting Labour/Plaid on steroids now. I did get to have a laugh at our Conservative MP being dethroned but I stopped laughing when I heard the Plaid MP speak.
@veiddimaddur8354
Ай бұрын
@@JagdgeschwaderX It's going to be grim
@JagdgeschwaderX
Ай бұрын
@@veiddimaddur8354 I'm bracing for impact!
@Yonder792
Ай бұрын
My parents voted Reform.
@sandwichbar8226
Ай бұрын
As did mine
@JagdgeschwaderX
Ай бұрын
My 76 year old Lib Dem voting mother voted Reform and so did my 81 year old dad. They're not all the same.
@PsychoBensTV
Ай бұрын
I managed to convince my Tory loving family to switch to reform after 4 weeks of arguing and the only reason they did was because this seat is one that will never go Tory. Reform still didn't win unfortunately.
@juliantheapostate8295
Ай бұрын
@@JagdgeschwaderX Yes, that's how generalisations work..... Top username though, I thought about going with StukaGeschwader StG
@Prometheus7272
Ай бұрын
There must be a political quarantine of wet tories, accepting them into the fold is unacceptable. The most stringent vetting must take place.
@jasonphillips8933
Ай бұрын
I think this election has cemented Hitchens' candidacy for the nickname of "Denethor"
@primordialserpent1763
Ай бұрын
I think Isildur is more fitting now.
@englishstark6100
Ай бұрын
Like to see Dankula on one of your livestreams.
@ianinkster2261
Ай бұрын
Even this far on, AA is still very vague on what he hoped to happen after zero seats were achieved. He said he just wants to " end the kayfabe " presumably because kayfabe requires two to tango -- ok , still then what? Putin more or less ended the Kayfabe in Russia -- Russians will tell you Russia used to have a vibrant political punch and judy show, which died down in the latter years of Putin's reign. You might say he makes his own kayfabe with war, but he went a long time without doing so.
@specialforces101
Ай бұрын
Never forget Hitchens or The Sun
@Jeremyak
Ай бұрын
Nothing significant can be achieved while the loathsome boomer still draws air.
@anglodoomer5995
Ай бұрын
Alicia Kearns won haha. People never learn
@skadiwarrior2053
Ай бұрын
Plus David Lammy as Foreign Secretary; what could possibly go wrong
@anglodoomer5995
Ай бұрын
@@skadiwarrior2053 Jody McIntyre almost beat Jess Phillips by a few hundred votes
@darby_dz
Ай бұрын
It's so over
@willosee
Ай бұрын
Excellent episode
@iainhoward8041
Ай бұрын
Andrew Bridgen result very suspicious.
@alg7115
Ай бұрын
That was my biggest disappointment of the night
@nevajism
Ай бұрын
that was a great show - the guy talking about cameron's legless father being like a mister man charactor
@dr.cliche7560
Ай бұрын
Regarding Peter Hitchens, is it possible that his objection is that this is not the right time for zero seats? As you noted in this video, Kier Starmer does not have the same charisma/appeal as Tony Blair. Indeed, Labour in general is not popular and has actually decreased in popularity - it's just that Conservatives have lost even more votes. Moreover, Reform's campaign effectively started only a couple of weeks before the election (since everything before Farage was basically them shooting themselves in the foot), and even after Farage the mainstream media did everything they could to sabotage them. In essence, this was unlikely to ever result in a zero-seats situation for the Tories and would only ever result in a Labour majority at the worst possible time. Thus, his objection was that people would be creating a huge Labour majority for absolutely no gain, as the Tories would not suffer enough of a defeat to be dethroned as one of the two main parties. Not only that, but the country is in a much worse position than it was in 2010, and so we don't have the same 'buffer' we did when he was actively advocating for zero-seats. Now, granted, Peter's opinion may have influenced the outcome to some degree (I don't think it's possible to measure his exact influence), but I highly doubt it was sufficient to make the above a self-fulfilling prophecy.
@Prez-B
Ай бұрын
I completely agree. Now was not the time for reform. They never stood a chance, and zero seats was a delusional idea. What we've done now is hand over the country to a communist, all to keep out a government that's too left wing.
@RFSA180
Ай бұрын
AA, Dankula and Mr H together was a Royal Rumble spectacle.
@veiddimaddur8354
Ай бұрын
You should have Dankula on a UO panel
@holyspatula6190
Ай бұрын
This might be copium, but If the tories split, would that not take them below 100 seats and effectively achieve zero seats?
@pageboy1974
Ай бұрын
They won't split.
@teacherconor9037
Ай бұрын
You are maturing, Oh Agent, and learning to deal with the world as it is, not as you wish it to be. Good report.
@sorearm
Ай бұрын
Great analysis. Hitchens u turn was stomach churning. The boomer vote is like a zombie that just won't die, I see it in my mother.
@anteep4900
Ай бұрын
I can imagine some people have put Hitchens on their list
@dixons57
Ай бұрын
Your appearance on Lotus Eaters was my first exposure to you. You've gained a follower. I don't understand what PH thinks he has gained from this? Labour still has a honking majority, the only difference now is that the Tories have not been destroyed, which was necessary for the right wing to flourish in the coming years. Reform will continue to do well but their job has been made harder. P.S. what is the rift between you and Dank? Totally out of the loop.
@autisticlegionnaire3624
Ай бұрын
I never had the religious faith in Hitchens that you did. I never really trusted him. I was right.
@ncjhood
Ай бұрын
There is a fair bit of cope here. Why did zero seats not succeed? Well, we didn't do enough. If much of our target audience is not online, and is more influenced by traditional means, why did we not self-organise and do visitations, press releases, articles in newspapers etc. If, as Labour recognised, the game is about winning seats not votes, why were we engaged in a mass campaign rather than targeting local constituencies? There was a lot more we could have done if we were really serious about strategy and breaking the tories. We didn't succeed because we had limited reach and did not adopt a better approach to implementing our plan.
@thepennilessphotographer7642
Ай бұрын
Hitchens is an odd duck. He's somebody I've blocked out for years, various specious arguments and a man who had a tremendous knack of saying a lot but very little of any real substance. He's taken credit for all sorts of things that you really do need to squint to see how he can claim credit for them.
@_Jax_55
Ай бұрын
What will the establishment do when all the Boomers die out?
@intenzityd3181
Ай бұрын
That's what woke is for.
@EFCasual
Ай бұрын
Since they don't pass anything down there won't be nearly as much regime left. The regime is mostly just boomers in power, never letting it go.
@alfabravo80
Ай бұрын
@@intenzityd3181100%
@rhett3185
Ай бұрын
replace them with (un)desirables
@karl2851
Ай бұрын
I am fully aware of what caesar brings, but i just don't care...Hail Caesar.
@karl2851
Ай бұрын
May I add a pagan Caesar, not Christian.
@DrEhrfurchtgebietend
Ай бұрын
Vote splitting was a huge issue in this election. You need a better system like star or approval voting
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