Dutchman here. A great conversation, particularly because an Ukrainian picture was presented of different narratives and how these narratives were geographically distributed by historic processes. I appreciate, as a positive part of the conversation, that the geopolitical contribution to the crisis was not explicitly part of the conversation. It does not mean, however, that this geopolitical component is not there and I think it is essential to include how foreign powers are trying, present tense as we are still in the middle of it, to use Ukrainian "diversity", i.e. the existence of pluriculturalism and narratives, against Russia with the ultimate goal of those foreign powers to overthrow the presidency of mr. Putin (Medvedev, Peskov, Lavrov + the ruling class in Russia) and the balkanization of Russia. This, of course, with the purpose to have more resources controlled by western ruling elite and industrial tycoons, which are interwoven with the western political elite. I think it would be great to learn more about that too, also because it is interwoven with some of the Ukrainian narratives and not, or less, with others.
@leobakker1728
3 ай бұрын
Good comment , i agree with you about the western imperialistic interests
@jossiesh7649
3 ай бұрын
We have heard from the collective West's leaders that their goal is to break into parts. The Ukrainian population has been completely brainwashed and is being used to fight against Russia.
@zharkoo
3 ай бұрын
Very surprising to hear comment like that from a Dutchman, I live in the Netherlands and have been absolutely shocked that 100% of the Dutch I am surrounded by falls for the narrative of the mainstream media without giving any thought about obvious questions, for them Russia is bad, Ukraine is good and there is nothing more to add to that, anyone who even tries to think with their own head is immediately labeled and discarded. Sad situation, really.
@alwaysfourfun1671
3 ай бұрын
@@zharkoo Ignorance, in the Netherlands, is almost general.
@zharkoo
3 ай бұрын
@@alwaysfourfun1671 sadly yes, I agree
@indycoon
3 ай бұрын
Ukraine was OK before the western organized coup in 2014 regardless of all historical differences. It was enough to have a moderate government able to cooperate with all countries if it was profitable for Ukraine. But the West decided to take control over Ukraine.
@K2teknik.
2 ай бұрын
No, Ukraine was a fragmented thing already, that is why it was easy to for foreign interest to interfere.
@klaussajons
2 ай бұрын
Ukraine was ok vs. it is now - but in fact, it never was ok, even before 2014. It could have been a great example for being a bridge for Russia and Europe, thriving, growing. But it failed miserably from Day 1 on. I guess the oligarchs are to blame. And unlike Russia, they didn't have anyone to subdue them.
@alexpanterex
2 ай бұрын
@K2teknik. Yes, cultural and linguistic tensions have always existed between the Western and Eastern parts of Ukraine.
@erikmooij7333
2 ай бұрын
Wtf... shall we talk about facts? Russian troll.
@indycoon
2 ай бұрын
@@K2teknik. Ukraine was divided, but it had a moderate government. All differences were decided by voting like it had to be in a democracy. It was enough for the West to stay away from these differences and not finance the radical groups. I live in Crimea. I saw how Americans were involved in Ukrainian politics. First Orange revolution in 2004-2005 when they installed a president Yuschenko married to an American wife. They organized a reform in Ukrainian education and raised a generation of haters for Maidan 2014. The current war is a direct result of the American politic, both arrogant and ignorant. Or this war is exactly what they wanted to raise their weapons sales and weaken Russia.
@bentao3352
3 ай бұрын
Would be so great if you didn't keep interrupting the guest
@JollyRogeru50
3 ай бұрын
Absolutely correct.
@maryen65
3 ай бұрын
Thats Adrian, he likes to hear himself talk 🤣🤣
@omarlinares4058
2 ай бұрын
What a mother fucker shitty interviewer.. shut the up fuck!! Let the guess talk away!!!
@steverobinson8045
3 ай бұрын
American citizen here. I apologize for my government, which went crazy after 9/11. Noam Chomsky's propaganda model for media is evident in America, as discussed by the professor in the video. A super majority of Americans live in what I call the American Media Bubble. That is how they are persuaded year after year to vote against their economic and foreign policy interests. I believe there are similar kinds of manufactured consent issues in Europe, but at a lower level.
@hansjohan3150
3 ай бұрын
They were crazy before 9/11, it was them together with mossad who planned and executed it.
@hansjohan3150
3 ай бұрын
@filmdude5058 Why don't we take care of our part of the mess we're in ?
@Jannette-mw7fg
3 ай бұрын
@filmdude5058 No Robert Kennedy!
@Jannette-mw7fg
3 ай бұрын
@@hansjohan3150 Right,Europe is responsabel to.
@johnhume4346
3 ай бұрын
It's the same all over the Western world. Our governments have been hijacked by corporations who manipulate government policy. They get richer whilst more and more citizens fall into poverty.
@ne.Fiertite2010
3 ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more but the role of CIA and Soros absolutely ignored.
@markheithaus
2 ай бұрын
That's because they didn't have much impact. The whole idea of the two conflicting narratives is that they came from people with agency. The ukrainians who went out into the streets to oppose what they saw as a Russian political coup truly believed in what they were doing. - It is also true that Russia did try to engineer separatism throughout Ukraine that simply failed in a lot of places.
@johnsmith1474
2 ай бұрын
@@markheithaus - What? No Ukrainians "went out into the streets to oppose what they saw as a Russian political coup ..." where did you get that junk idea? Ukraine had a democratically elected president with elections coming up within the year, and he swung Ukraine a deal with Russia that was far more lucrative than the Western offer. Maidan protesters were a small minority of people in the country when the US paid Azov militants to start breaking heads, lighting cops on fire and shooting people, before they broke into the Parliament building. The coup government was a US funded nazi ridden joke, and when it was replaced by Poroshenko he started killing Russian speaking Ukrainians as a sop to the Azov cadre he needed to stay in power. Wake up.
@Lunde859
2 ай бұрын
@@markheithausVictoria Nuland was heavily involved so was CIA
@markheithaus
2 ай бұрын
@@Lunde859 sure, and so was the Russian FSB. - The point is that it was a popular uprising that the CIA couldn't have generated or controlled if they wanted to. The FSB tried to foment various coups throughout Ukraine, prompting complaints about the lack of support from Russian speakers. In Odessa Russian speaking Ukrainians shut down the Russian coup. You can't use a simplified narrative of CIA or FSB "mind control" to strip people of agency and responsibility.
@tombayless9759
2 ай бұрын
@@Lunde859and 5 billion dollars
@akap_987
3 ай бұрын
Important interview! ❤ I wish the interviewer would keep quiet. His interruptions are very distracting
@johnmeulendijks8679
Ай бұрын
He is not an interviewer, it's a filosofer Who is to eager... but a nice guy nevertheless.
@akap_987
Ай бұрын
@@johnmeulendijks8679 That makes more sense. Thanks for letting me know
@NachttiSchlampE65
3 ай бұрын
Greetings from your Eastern neighbour. After Douglas MacGregor, talking to Prof. Petro is another outstanding interview partner. Great work, keep it up
@Frip36
2 ай бұрын
The one where he often shows impatience when MacGregor is talking? I'm glad he did though. Because it showed us that MacGregor has cool nerves.
@simpsongeorge273
3 ай бұрын
How about allowing the guy to speak without repeatedly interrupting him.That way you learn more.
@ewright4108
2 ай бұрын
Just as the author is about to say something interesting, he gets interrupted.
@off6848
2 ай бұрын
It’s not a lecture dumbass. Raising points leads to perspectives that might have been explored otherwise it’s called a conversation tree. If you want to have a lecture go to school and shut up
The interviewer talks to much and should listen more, no additional value in his remarks.
@rikstra
3 ай бұрын
Good observation. Thje interviewer has been told so many times :)
@jenniferw1956
3 ай бұрын
Yes this is his modus operandi.
@sallux5574
3 ай бұрын
Look in the description below the video. It states: "Adrian Verbrugge in conversation with Nicolai Petro on the war in Ukraine". So it's deliberate to be a conversation and not an interview. I kinda like it that way. We have to be careful not to look at it with a certain frame we all grew up in.
@MsErik69
3 ай бұрын
He always does that , seen for a few years.
@Clay2NineProductions
3 ай бұрын
This is exactly what I wanted to say. The Interviewer interrupts a lot thus making it impossible for the interviewee to complete several meaningful thoughts and topics.
@johnweerasinghe4139
2 ай бұрын
Very difficult interview to follow because the host keeps interrupting. Oh lord ! Have to watch this with head phones
@antoniodefilippo8484
5 күн бұрын
not really,it is you who don't know about European history. But they themselves are cherry picking in what they are discussing,their owen narrative. No one will ever tell the truth.If you seek the truth ,you need to educate yourself,the truth is out there. Good luck
@planxtydavis3883
3 ай бұрын
Excellent! Shared it. I find Professor Petro the consistently sane, objective, and fair voice on this subject.
@johnsmith1474
2 ай бұрын
He's also blind to military reality.
@ДмитрийЖихарев-д1э
3 ай бұрын
Почему такой большой историк Николай Петров не сказал, что 120 лет назад не было такой национальности - украинец. Даже на западной Украине, во Львове выходила газета «Русская Правда». Они тогда считали себя русскими. Украинство - это политический проект Австро-Венгерской империи. Там тех, кто называл себя русскими, помещали в контрационные лагеря. Не ленитесь, поинтересуйтесь историей того времени.
@jurrekieboom2208
3 ай бұрын
Because great historians generally stay away from kremlin political propaganda. Nikolai makes reference to the "Russian Imperialist narrative", the above would be part of that.
@drnda2007
3 ай бұрын
Kind of similar thing in former Yugoslavia starting all the way back in Roman empire times. Religion and different occupires of that teritory divided more or less the same people that went through three wars in 20th century. More or less the same language is now also 'divided' and got political names. That did not happen with English which is still English in England, USA, Canada, Australia. Ukranian language looks similar to Russian (to me) but I cannot judge how much is different. Very similar recepies used to divide people and turn them against each other in former Yugoslavia.
@Whateverrocksyourboat
3 ай бұрын
Can you recommend an English resource for learning more about this history? Or an easily accessible Russian resource? I can probably use a translator app.
@maxinfly
3 ай бұрын
@@WhateverrocksyourboatSearch for The Internment of Russophiles in Austria-Hungary
@Whateverrocksyourboat
3 ай бұрын
@@maxinfly thank you!!!
@GodsendTruth
3 ай бұрын
The only part of Ukraine that was not part of Russia was the western part of Ukraine.
@calicocat8213
3 ай бұрын
Kinda in the middle, a Cossack Hetmanate of one Bohdan Khmelnytsky, pledged allegiance to and joined the Russian Tsardom in 1654. Kiev itself fell to the Golden Horde in 1240, was then taken by the Lithuanians in the Battle of Blue Waters in 1363, to finally be bought back, together with territories east of the Dnieper River, from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by the Tsarist Russia in 1686 [Purchase Deed technically still valid today].
@MrRight1000
3 ай бұрын
From the 14th to the 16th century Ukraine was part of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
@GodsendTruth
3 ай бұрын
@@MrRight1000 Stop misinforming lazy people about Ukraine, and read the history very well before committing, portions of Ukraine were ruled by Lithuania, Poland and Russia. In addition, Cossacks controlled a largely self-governing territory known as the Hetmanate. Most of Ukraine fell to Russian rule in the 18th century.
@MrRight1000
3 ай бұрын
@@GodsendTruth "Stop misinforming lazy people about Ukraine, ..." -- Haha... Rather authoritarian, soviet style statement, wouldn't you say? 😅
@GodsendTruth
3 ай бұрын
@@MrRight1000 I'm referring to the habit of lazy individuals being constantly misinformed about what is going on. The only authoritarian nation attempting to rewrite history is the United States of America. In twenty years, the US will undoubtedly assert-with complete certainty-that the Soviet Union dropped a nuclear weapon on Japan during WW2 and i am sure that majority of western lazy uninform population will believe.
@НаталіяБілоус-в3о
3 ай бұрын
Hello from Ukraine! In reality situation is even more complicated, Ukraine is poorly studied and poorly undestood.
@ellengran6814
3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, the fact that US always use the diversity in countries all over the world to start wars or/and create coups. Divide and conquer. However, we all know such diversities can also be united by respect, education (understanding) and good will.
@Bigliever
3 ай бұрын
@@ellengran6814isn't that like "wahabisme"? Is as old as Warfare. As using prisoners in war. But totally true the West is Master in it.
@Bigliever
3 ай бұрын
What is your opinion on forbidding the Ruusian language in public areas ? Speaking by a majority in (east) Ukraine. Ty and hoping for peace as soon as possible.
@xxvxxv5588
3 ай бұрын
@@Bigliever Most of Eastern Ukraine is now under Russian occupation and Ukrainian laws are irrelevant here. Instead of this there are laws and cultural norms against Ukrainian language, Ukrainian media and Ukrainian culture.
@indycoon
3 ай бұрын
Most of Eastern Ukraine is free from western occupation . Ukrainian language is one of state languages in Crimea, for example. It's not true that Ukrainian language and culture are forbidden by Russia. You can find them even in Moscow. Don't listen to propaganda. People are able to choose which language they use and study in the school..
@jozeflagocki8790
3 ай бұрын
Nice research, gives lots of information, but has bias opinion of someone who suffered greatly from Russian. You didn't mention Petliura, you haven't explained how Chmielnitsky, apparently Kossak, got his Polish surname. Western Ukraine never existed, it was part of Republic of Poland till 1939, after the WWII incorporated to Soviet Union/USRR. Krym or Crymea, NATO was planning it's military base in Sevastopol. How have you suffered greatly, because of Russians, I as Pole could say it the same, but we suffered greatly because of Ukrainian nationalists, 75% of my family were murdered by you greatest patriot Bandera.
@catocall7323
3 ай бұрын
I agree it was mostly a fair view of history but he does try to paper over the attrocities of the banderites both during WWII and after the Maidan revolution.
@nikola4362
3 ай бұрын
I only read from wikileaks that the US wanted to establish diplomatic presence or something along those lines on Crimea. Which ofc is already sus to me and I could absolutely see them aiming for a NATO base. Anyways, if you have anything more specific on the topic than what we know from the wikileaks, could you point me to it?
@johnsmith1474
2 ай бұрын
@@nikola4362 - "Anyways" is not a word. Do you write "ain't?"
@nikola4362
2 ай бұрын
@@johnsmith1474 Why do you think I care if its a word. Now its a word, get over it.
@pamelapiszczek8226
2 ай бұрын
Roseanne Bar, American actress, Jewish Ukrainian, claims her Grandmother and Aunt were murdered by the Nazi Banderas.
@ShakuraJR
3 ай бұрын
Ik wil De Nieuwe Wereld en Ad Verbrugge bedanken voor dit ontzettend interessante, intellectuele en bewustmakende gesprek. Dit vraagt om meer, en ik hoop dat meer mensen de tijd gaan nemen om zichzelf te verdiepen in de materie van het Oekraïne-Rusland conflict. Dit is een essentiële opgave voor wereldvrede, en De Nieuwe Wereld heeft daar aan bijgedragen. Bedankt en ga zo door met het goede werk.
@johnperniciaro785
3 ай бұрын
There are so many layers to this story. Nicolai is teaching important, very complex history here... I must however hasten to say that my in-laws (family) who lived in Rostovski Oblast and the Kuban went through "Raskulachivanie"/ "Раскулачивание"---they ended up on collective farms & in the mines. Most survived until the Nazis came, They think of themselves absolutely as Russians ... with wild Cossack blood mixed in ....
@larissafraser8315
3 ай бұрын
There are two different sorts of "COSSACKS". The Ukrainian cAssacks are not the the same as Kuban's or Don's cOssacs...even spelling is different, with an A, not an O, in the Russian language. They have nothing to do with Russian cossacks, who were indeed of a similar historically sociological origin; they did run away from impinging serfdom laws and were exempt from such in exchange for being warier peasant frontier settlers on the borders of the Russian Empire; they were obligated to join the armed forces at call. Kuban cossacks were an essential part of the growing Russian settlement in what now is Eastern Ukraine and the Rostov region of Russia, which was only commenced by Catherine the Second in the 18th century as a ball work against Turks. All those territories belonged to Ottomas until 18th century. By this time cAssacks were out of existence they were incorporated into the Russian empire. "Taras Bulba" is about cAssacks, and "The Done Run Quiet" is about cOssacks. The easy way to remember.
@jozeflagocki8790
3 ай бұрын
Do they have Polish names, as Chmielnitsky did?
@jozeflagocki8790
3 ай бұрын
Nicolau totally ignored Taras Bulba, didn't suit his narrative, he was trying to convince us that Bohdan Chmielnitsky was a Kossak with the Polish name.
@indycoon
3 ай бұрын
The difference between Cassacks and Cossacks is the same as between Kiev and Kyiv. They are spelled differently. Actually most Ukrainian Cossacks were moved closer to Caucasus by Catherine the Great. During last 30years (and especially during last 10 years) Ukrainian history is rewritten, people are brainwashed, that's why we see some special Ukrainian Cossacks. They even translated Taras Bulba to Ukrainian language and replaced Russia with Ukraine. That's how special Ukrainian Cossacks are created.
@Maid-en-Head
2 ай бұрын
Cossacks spelled with an "o" in Ukrainian, but with an "a" in Russian. And that's the only difference - it's the same word/term. Cossacks are the people, outlaws most of the time, who run away (be it from Russia at the time, or Poland, or Crimea...) and settled at the border (of Russia, Poland, etc). And though they settled, they kept their "military" origins. Think of Stepan Razin for example. A legendary leader of a gang (from the state point of view), who robbed the whole of the Caspian region (incl. a famous Persian hike). Ethnically Cossacks were predominantly Slavic (Russian, Polish), but with lots of "additions" - from the western and central Europe, Turkey/ottoman, the Balkans...
@АлександарКузмановић
3 ай бұрын
The fact is Ukraine was a artificial country created by Lenin and the Bolsheviks historically it never existed the only part of Ukraine that was never a part of Russia was the west Ukraine because for centuries it was a part of the Hapsburg empire until after the First World War. Ukrainian language before the USSR was only spoken in the western Ukraine.
@krzysztoftomczak4433
3 ай бұрын
Bullshit, check how long Lwów. was in H "empire,' , look on historic map
@willemdederde6669
2 ай бұрын
@filmdude5058 hm . . probably u r from ??? ;-) Easy irritated when it comes to the fact that 'Ukraine' is just a border . . isnt it?
@indycoon
2 ай бұрын
@@АлександарКузмановић Even Poland was a part of the Russian Empire before 1917 not to mention western Ukraine.
@maddskillz5177
2 ай бұрын
@@willemdederde6669yes, ukraine translation is borderland.😅
@Echo63103
2 ай бұрын
Exactly. And this is a core of a conflict since each side can refer to that period of history which covers the border line they need.
@dariuselson
3 ай бұрын
Dear Adrian, thank you for this very interesting conversation (not an interview). Please consider holding back your urge to interupt the chain of thoughts of your guests for the sake of exposing your own knowledge. It looks like a sign of insecurity, as if you are fishing for compliments from the 'master'. You don't need it, dear Ad. You are an intellectual too, we know it. There's no need for rushing.
@Bigliever
3 ай бұрын
Very diplomatic comment 👏
@PJVerh0ef
2 ай бұрын
You’re mistaken Dutch communication style for blunt insecurities. But it’s ok because you intended well.
@knutdewit6286
2 ай бұрын
I'm halfway now, very interesting, and till now I don't recognize "the exposing your own [Adrian's] knowledge" since he (Ad/Adrian) is mainly citing from Petro's own book, isn't he? He is even surprised at 42:51 about some new [thinks Adrian] very interesting information that is only mentioned in a footnote and says "I learned something new you didn't write about it [in] your book" and Petro answers "well you didn't check [...] the footnotes, that's good I have so many". And indeed they have 2 hours, so Adrian wants to really get deep into everything...
@Frip36
2 ай бұрын
@@knutdewit6286 "And indeed they have 2 hours, so Adrian wants to really get deep into everything..." Not really. He'll often cut the guest short, preventing the guest from going deeper and concluding guest's point, by interrupting the guest with a performance digressive.
@nanwuamitofo
22 күн бұрын
@@PJVerh0efEven to Dutch standards he's a rude man.
@MichaelHolloway
3 ай бұрын
So from his Odessa observation post, did the professor see the Kiev coup government as fascist? What did Russian speakers there think about it? Note that the Odessa Massacre started as a 'Anti-Maidan' protest against the coup (information tables in front of the Ministry of Labour building).
@alexanderkolesnik6942
2 ай бұрын
Slight correction: the Odessa massacre took place in a Trade Unions building. Agree on all points.
@casteretpollux
2 ай бұрын
@@alexanderkolesnik6942 both correct: left activists set their stall outside and retreated later under attack into the Trade Union building.
@stephensmith5982
2 ай бұрын
I found this discussion very interesting and enlightening. I also think it avoided discussing the strategic implications that are involved between NATO and Russia. Ukraine may be able to enjoy freedom, but I believe Russia will never tolerate NATO membership.
@ellekewilms6891
2 ай бұрын
THe EU never seriously considered Ukraine as a Nato member, Ukraine is being used for a different purpose... that much must ge obvious by now
@AshK-pg9dy
2 ай бұрын
Going deeper into the interview, I wish there was a way to zip up the mouth of the constantly interrupting "interviewer", so that the interviewee can talk. When we are in the presence of an expert, we want to hear him talk !
@Transcend680
3 ай бұрын
Too much unnecessary interruption by one of the participants. Can't watch. sad😢
@Frip36
2 ай бұрын
And when not interrupting, making repetitive noises. Either with his mouth or his pen.
@leishajack9820
2 ай бұрын
Finally, an intelligent discussion about the situation in Ukraine. Will be buying this book. Thank you
@christianhellman4453
3 ай бұрын
Historic view based on Idealistic philosophical thinking... With some good point's,. No one will fight for capitalism Ukraine is a weak state, a corrupt state, ruled by oligarchs. It's also a central area of security concern for Russia (and its oligarchs). Identity weaponized by foreign interests. The US saw the opportunity to bleed Russia through Ukraine? In the 2000's Russia and Ukraine was the most integrated countries in Europe. Has the ordinary Ukrainian benefited by the break up of the USSR, the civil war or the invasion? Look at the Ukrainian GDP from 1991 to 2024! The selling out of Ukraine by the current political elite (to the US) will cost the Ukraine dearly (economic and human). If you can predict anything from history. I think Ukraine will be thrown under the buss - once the current inter-imperialust war end/is lost. What does that tell us about the Western elites?
@manodirivera6703
2 ай бұрын
Finally an adult in the room, thanks. Sad thing is this falls on the mostly deaf ears, heavily manipulated by misinformation, people here in the west. Greets from Australia
@willemdederde6669
2 ай бұрын
Thanks for your wise words!
@polybius217
3 ай бұрын
Het resoneerde enorm bij mij dat het volk opstond bij het verloren vertrouwen in de politiek. Ik heb namelijk het donkerbruine vermoeden dat onze westerse/europese politici hetzelfde bezig zijn, en ze hun standpunten met agressie en macht zullen willen verdedigen.
@alwaysfourfun1671
3 ай бұрын
I agree. I feel that the natural EU pluriculturalism is homogenized by a top-down imposed control system through the use of invented and propagandized crisis and fears around the themes Energy, Health, Food, Climate, i.e. from the top straight down into the microlevel of society, which is the powerless individual.
@jenniferw1956
3 ай бұрын
This host is too much, time and time again the guest wanted to move to his book .Several times this host drags his conversation to himself. Yap yap yap. Why bother having guests when you take over. So bloody annoying. Rude and aggressive.
@dipayanroy8300
2 ай бұрын
😂😂 right.
@johnsmith1474
2 ай бұрын
Actually he's quite good and conversational, all useful stuff.
@GodsendTruth
3 ай бұрын
Throughout the history of Ukraine was always part of the Russia empire.
@MrRight1000
3 ай бұрын
From the 14th to the 16th century, Ukraine was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
@indycoon
3 ай бұрын
A part of Ukraine
@johnsmith1474
2 ай бұрын
Do you have a point?
@Scott-et4kd
2 ай бұрын
...it was? WOW! Who would ever have guessed! Who did you hear that from? Or, since you sound like a very bright guy, What book did you read that stated this?
@xxvxxv5588
2 ай бұрын
@@GodsendTruth Not an argument for Russia or an argument against Ukraine. Because something existed in the past it doesn't mean that this must be preserved now. Reminder that slavery was considered to be a cultural norm throughout history.
@vulgarisopinio
2 ай бұрын
They omitted one very important aspect of the Bolshevik period - so called “ukrainization” of the predominantly Russian speaking population in Eastern and Central Ukraine.
@alexanderkolesnik6942
2 ай бұрын
They omitted many aspects. Professor Petro looks good only against the background of outright liars masquerading as historians working day and night to construct and maintain the false western narrative.
@hansddd228
3 ай бұрын
Ad, hou toch eens een keer je mond!!! Laat iemand eens uitspreken, ik wil horen wat je gast te zeggen heeft. Iedereen weet dat jij veel weet, maar hou eens op dat in de etalage te zetten!!!
@annekedercksen7071
2 ай бұрын
Ik proef hier een onderhuids ongenoegen. In mijn ogen ten dele terecht. Zeker, in een gesprek zit Ad op het puntje van zijn stoel en er zijn interviews dat de balans zoek is, maar ik voel ook heel duidelijk daarin de passie voor het uitdiepen van het onderwerp. Zonder deze passie zou de nieuwe wereld denk ik niet kunnen bestaan. Het verwijt dat iedereen het wel weet zegt mijns inziens meer over uw ongenoegen. Het gesprek moet ook binnen een tijdsbestek. Ik heb met heel erg veel genoegen naar beide heren zitten luisteren, 2 mannen die ons veel van hun boeiende kennis meegeven. Dank hiervoor!
@maryen65
3 ай бұрын
Pfff wat een vreselijk irritant gesprek, Ad die er als gewoonlijk weer doorheen zit te blaten zodat die Nicolai met zijn verhaal van de hak op de tak springt. Ad is veel te onrustig, kan niet luisteren omdat hij al weer aan het bedenken is wat hij wil zeggen. Ad is gewoon niet geschikt als interviewer. Niemand hoeft te reageren met, "o het is geen interview maar een gesprek". Dat argument heb ik al 100x gehoord en moet ik inmiddels van op de pot.
@harrybongers8668
3 ай бұрын
Ben het volledig met je eens, ik had het niet beter kunnen verwoorden. Door het voortdurend interrumperen van Ad wordt het een chaotisch en soms zelfs onsamenhangend gesprek. Het gebrek aan "fluency" van het Engels van Ad maakt het er niet beter op.
@danyholtappels8355
3 ай бұрын
volledig mee eens, net als je mee bent in het verhaal is Ad er weer om het verhaal te onderbreken met zijn "wijsneus"- opmerkingen (om toch maar te tonen dat hij er eigenlijk niets van weet) en kan je "fluiten" naar het vervolg van het verhaal. Dat heb je als de interviewer zijn gesprek niet degelijk heeft voorbereid, geen verhaallijn heeft en zichzelf zo graag hoort praten. Mijn deelneming aan de studenten die examen bij hem moeten afleggen...
@drnda2007
3 ай бұрын
agree, it was dificult to listen; if you want to ask question, wait before guest finishes and then ask the question - just not smooth conversation as it should be
@pupsik62
3 ай бұрын
Idd Ad blijft blunderen hij moet zich telkens laten gelden; katholieken en protestanten in Nederland; over de vezuiling in Nederland. Snapt hij nu nog niet dat het compleet de verhaallijn van de gast torpedeert en door die zijstapjes de luisteraar ook belemmert het verhaal van de gast te blijven volgen? Hij moet vragen stellen die een verduidelijking en toevoeging zijn op de kennis die de gast probeert over te brengen op zijn publiek. Ad zijn rol moet ondergeschikt blijven. Hij volhardt in het niet begrijpen. Ook het interview met Colonel Mcgreggor verknalde hij op precies dezelfde wijze. Een geweldige gast trouwens. En dat maakt het nog erger. Doe er wat aan Ad!!!!
@LarixSibirica
3 ай бұрын
Cannot agree more. The potential of this conversion was dramatically diminished by constant interruption and talking over Mr Petro. The questions were good, I wish, however, that we were allowed to listen to the answer in full.
@555usher
3 ай бұрын
Prof. Nicolai Petro is zeker de moeite waard om naar te luisteren. Echt top van DNW dat jullie dit soort gasten steeds uitnodigen. Wij wachten op het interview met V. Poetin.
@reinduhr
3 ай бұрын
Wat zou je hem vragen als je de kans kreeg?
@alexandervantricht2189
3 ай бұрын
Tucker Carlson , last february , interviewde V. Poetin . Aanrader
@edmundfrancispietrodleon9825
3 ай бұрын
Wat is de waarheid
@555usher
3 ай бұрын
@@reinduhr Geen idee. En als ik eentje had zou het ieder geval niet over politiek gaan.
@alexandervantricht2189
3 ай бұрын
@@edmundfrancispietrodleon9825 informeer , inlezen en oordelen , geduld uitoefenen en ZELF bepalen , niet laten misleiden door onze media. Veel geluk.
@anneli1735
3 ай бұрын
Pretty difficult listening to an interview when the journalist isn’t able to let the guest finish his sentences / thoughts 🙄 especially with a guest like Nikolai Petro who is a gem of knowledge on this issue.
@dnaindex
3 ай бұрын
its not a journalist, you follow a conversation between two people and there is a camera
@anneli1735
3 ай бұрын
@@dnaindex 🤷♀️ didn‘t you get it? Call it „the host of the channel“ then 🙄 It’s just rude to behave like this host did I’ve never experienced on other channels I watch. Btw the channel info says the channel would be a „initiative between a journalist and“ two other people. 😉
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
Crimea has always been ethnic Russia, by the so called annexation there whas not even one shot lost.
@xxvxxv5588
3 ай бұрын
Was Crimea Russian in 1100?
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
@@xxvxxv5588 yes. Chroetsjov who was an Oekrainer gave it to Oekraine round 1950 in the USSR time. It was in the thougt that the USSR always would exist.
@janjorgendevries2927
3 ай бұрын
Less than 6 per cent of Crimea’s written history (from the 9th century BC to date) belongs to the Russian chapter. Before 2014, Crimea was under Russian control for a total of only 168 years.157 In fact, Russia is just one of several powers that have aimed to dominate the peninsula. At the dawn of its history, Crimea was a Greek land. It later developed at the intersection of different civilizations and empires. Until the mid-15th century, the peninsula was a space of unique cohabitation between the Khanate of Crimea, Genoese colonies on the coast and the Principality of Theodor (Byzantium) in the southwest. Thereafter, the khanate expanded and became, for over 300 years, a dominant power as a protectorate under the Ottoman Empire. Crimea was an Orient in miniature, with a Turkic-Muslim culture. Russia invaded Crimea in 1783, as part of a westward expansion seeking control of the Mediterranean and the Middle East. The ambition of Catherine the Great was to establish a new Byzantium in Constantinople, with her grandson Constantine as its emperor. Defeat in the Crimean War of 1853-56 temporarily halted Russia’s continuing territorial aspirations in the region by leading to a ban on military arsenals in the Black Sea, although within 14 years Russia unilaterally abrogated this obligation and continued its military build-up. Imperial Russia and later the Soviet Union were mistrustful of the indigenous population of Crimean Tatars. The Russian policy was one of forced displacements, colonization and Russification to enshrine dominance. The peninsula’s demographics underwent change following the forced outward migration of Crimean Tatars after the annexation of 1783 and the Crimean War. A further major deportation in 1944 marked a continuation of the long-standing imperial practice of expelling native populations and taking over their lands. According to the last official Ukrainian census of 2001, 60 per cent of the population of Crimea consisted of ethnic Russians, while 24 per cent were Ukrainians and 10 per cent Crimean Tatars, the three most numerous groups.
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
@@janjorgendevries2927 there have been referenda and over 80% choose to belong to the Russian Federation. The same happined in the Donbass with the same result. They have proposesed to held new referenda under UN controll but that was rejected, for the outcome would gave the same result. The genocide against the donbass, 14.000 victims, through the Kiev regime is even not mentioned.
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
@@janjorgendevries2927 your opinion is clear to me, why not talk about the coups that the USA arranged since ww2, 70 to be extact, not to mention all the wars they started and the colour revolutions with the help of Soros.
@cterrell1343
2 ай бұрын
a very thorough and useful discussion, much needed in the wider media. Thank you/dank U wel.
@esterspitz
Ай бұрын
Wat een ongelooflijk informatieve gesprekken zijn dit. Ik leer zo veel. Veel dank!
@shadowreaver1851
29 күн бұрын
I never realized just how fundamentally divided Ukraine was until I saw this interview. It was a great interview.
@johnny99497
2 ай бұрын
From this interview I get the impression that the Ukrainians are difficult people, hardheaded and impossible to negotiate with.
@shareyourfare
Ай бұрын
Thank you for your in-depth cultural-historic insights.
@ericwedin4154
3 ай бұрын
Try not to interrupt so much, makes it difficult to listen to. The interviewer seems to have forgotten that we are supposed to be given some perhaps new, interesting knowledge. You make it hard…
@PinkPoepa
3 ай бұрын
He will never learn. So many people told him dont interrupt so much. Its good to summarize the chain of thought now and then during the conversation.. But Ad interviews are more of a demonstration of his own chain of thought and give his version before the guest could make his point. Thats why this conversation is very hard to follow.
@Frip36
2 ай бұрын
@@PinkPoepa How many years has he been interrupting guests for?
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
Je kunt ook het buitengewoon informatieve en gedetaillerde boek van Kees van der Pijl lezen, met 1000 voetnoten. Uitgegeven door Tom Zwitser van Uitgeverij de Blauwe Tijger. Dat boek heet overigens ook De tragedie van Oekraine en is in meerder talen vertaald.Kees wordt hier ondergewaardeerd, geeft lezingen in het buitenland.
@TinusTegenlicht
3 ай бұрын
Hij gaat tegen de gevestigde ideologie in en dan wordt je genegeerd. Het gaat niet om waarheid, maar om ideologie, helaas. Daarom laten veel mensen zich niet overtuigen.
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
@@TinusTegenlicht precies, in deze verwarrende uitzending worden belangrijke feitelijkheden simpelweg niet benoemd. DNW is wat Jensen msm alternatieve media normt
@TinusTegenlicht
3 ай бұрын
@@dineke346 Wat een onzin, je kunt toch niet alles benoemen en bespreken in een uur tijd. En in andere gesprekken kwamen bepaalde zaken wel naar voren, zoals bij McGregor en Kees van der Pijl op DNW. Wat wordt dan niet benoemd volgens u?
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
@@TinusTegenlicht dat de CIA Maidan coup zorgvuldig is voorbereid en uitgevoerd met behulp van bewapende fascisten die op de aanwezige politie en op de demonstrerende burgers schoten. De mensen als McCain , Verhofstadt, Nuland en Biden due de demonstraten maandenlang een glorieuze toekomst in Europa voorspiegelden, plus miljarden steun toezegden. De bevolking kende niet anders dan corruptie en werd een democratisch, vredig welvarende toekomst voorgespiegeld. Er was niet sprake van een neurale tendens vanuit de bevolking om zivh tegen Rusland te vertzetten.
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
@@TinusTegenlicht Van der Pijl noemt uitsluitend feitelijkheden en noemt man en paard en niet de aanname dat er vanuit de bevolking een tendens was om zich meer naar Europa te wenden. Hij beschrijft van uur tot uur de toedracht van de Maidan coup. Ik noem slechs Mc Cain, Nuland, Verhofstadt, van Baalen, Biden en de gewapende Bandera milities. Dit is maar 1 voorbeeld.
@marijkeharsevoort8054
3 ай бұрын
Heel hartelijk dank DNW en speciaal Ad voor dit leerzame, verhelderende gesprek. Wat fijn dat jullie er zijn.
@RudeCorona
2 ай бұрын
Ok, I give up. I really want to learn more about this, but I can't watch this video anymore. Is there any other place on the net, dr. Petro is actually allowed to talk?
@motivo-academy
2 ай бұрын
I’ll definitely buy the book as it won’t have the constant interruptions of the interviewer.
@rosemaryspiota9836
Ай бұрын
Pascal in Neutrality Studies, Nima in Dialogue Works, George Galloway, Glenn Diesen and others are REAL interviewers who allow the person to speak without interruptions.
@Zeddo2323light
2 ай бұрын
That guy has skipped over the unimaginable atrocities committed by the Ukrainia peasants on the Polish civilians during the Volhynia Genocide. He called them " incidents".
@peterpeugeotsaab
2 ай бұрын
Love listening to the professor learned a lot.
@paulvolkx8778
3 ай бұрын
I really wanted to take this guy seriously but so many of his arguments are just taken from German/Anglo historians who have always been biased against the Russian people. He couldn't even bring himself to call Bogdan Khmelnitsky an ethnic Russian and instead called them serfs. Yes they rebelled against the Russian tsar but they were still ethnic Russian. This is what is important. Ukrainian is NOT an ethnicity.
@K2teknik.
2 ай бұрын
Many Ukrainian's considerate them self as belonging an ethnic group they call Ukrainian, that is all that is needed to be an ethnic group. Ethnicity is a mental construct in peoples mind, there is nothing in it that you for example can inherited in your gene from your parents, it is purely a thing that happen as a thought process, you can even call it a result of a indoctrination process.
@alexanderkolesnik6942
2 ай бұрын
With all respect, that is not strictly speaking accurate. Ethnic identities do emerge and Ukranian identity is a reality now, regardles how much it was helped by the external forces.
@hkaraya73
2 ай бұрын
The interview provided profound insights into the ongoing conflict, underscoring the complexities and deep-seated issues that perpetuate the strife. It’s clear that the path to resolution is fraught with challenges, especially considering the current stance of Western leaders. Their reluctance or inability to intervene decisively prolongs a war that has already claimed countless lives on both Ukrainian and Russian soil.
@AshK-pg9dy
2 ай бұрын
I just stumbled on this excellent post. I just wished the interviewer would stop interrupting the guest, and allow him to express his thoughts.
@davidboskett5581
2 ай бұрын
An interesting conversation but very difficult to follow due to the interruptions
@BlijvenDenken
2 ай бұрын
Sorry Ad, ik waardeer je enorm, maar ik denk dat jouw Engels gewoon niet goed genoeg is om op de jouw eigen manier een gesprek te voeren. Het is moeilijk dit gesprek te volgen, het voelt niet alsof je onder woorden kunt brengen wat je bedacht, zoals je dat in het Nederlands wel vaak zo mooi doet. Verder denk ik dat je wellicht aan het begin van dit soort gesprekken beter kunt aankondigen wat de bedoeling is: geen interview, maar een gesprek waar jezelf ook aan deelneemt. Dat brengt de, wellicht buitenlandse, luisteraar, en je gesprekspartner in het goede verwachtingspatroon.
@zaniwoob
2 ай бұрын
Ad is een kluns als hij met Engels stunt.
@enkaiscott
2 ай бұрын
We talk about the lack of Palestinian representation in Western Media, but we also have a lack of diverse opinions regarding the Ukrainian perspective. Thank you both for helping to educate us about the Ukrainian people whose voice we want to hear.
@marabu235
2 ай бұрын
So nice to listen to well read gentlemen.
@willemdejong2235
3 ай бұрын
Een zeer leerzama discussie, zelfs voor iemand als ikzelf met al een grote kennis van zaken. Maar voor mensen die onbekend zijn met de historie van dit grensgebied Ukraïne moeilijk te ontwarren. Toch zal dit moeten mensen om tot een duurzamen vrede te komen.
@barbararouwendal8708
3 ай бұрын
watch also nima on dialogue works, he is the most amazing journalist with the most interesting guests on this. Also on China, Gaza etc And don't forget to cancel your TV subscription guys, just a waste of time.
@drnda2007
3 ай бұрын
agree, much better host, Nima
@IvanIvanov-n2p
3 ай бұрын
And what about Bandera???
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
Precies, nationale held in west Oekraine en wij steunen het regelrechte fascistische regime in Kiev. Hoop dat mijn reactie blijft staan.
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
What about Victoria Newland, the CIA and the Bandera militant fighters that backed them.
@krzysztoftomczak4433
3 ай бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/1oyMuJeZnqSVimU&rco=1 nothing this bullshiters claim that UA nazi are "heros" and want with this "heros" enter to EU
@Bigliever
3 ай бұрын
@@dineke346Voorlopig staat uw reactie er nog. Je hebt gelijk. Als er in Vlaanderen op een betoging een Vlaamse Leeuw te zien is wordt er al van extreem rechts gesproken. Of "bloed en bodem" rood en zwart. Net zoals de vlag gebruikt in Oekraïne...
@dineke346
3 ай бұрын
@@Bigliever heb ook al 2 x een uitgebreidere reactie getypt, mbt Bandera maar die stond er nog geen minuut.
@tomvanmeurs430
2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately my extensive positive comments were diverted to another Yutube narrative. I did make some remarks about the Maidan Coup and explained Coulor Revolutions, Americas policy to interfere and overthrow governments it does not like. I mentioned American politicians mingling with the Maidan crowd, such as Victoria Nuland and John McCain. Also a phone conversation I have on my blog Contraviews, between Scr of State Victoria Nuland and the then Ukrainian ambassador selecting candidates for the newly to be formed Ukrainian “Parlament”.
@denfoot1111
2 ай бұрын
Only interviewer I’ve ever seen that asks a question then interrupts the person while they are in the middle of the answer
@nanwuamitofo
22 күн бұрын
Exactly! It doesn't cease to amaze me. Why did he ask the question in the first place?
@katharinabroekhof7405
3 ай бұрын
Dit is een fantastische uitzending het geeft een duidelijk inzicht van een geschiedenis waar we veel te weinig vanaf weten , ik hoop dat ook social media hier naar kijkt
@alwaysfourfun1671
3 ай бұрын
Ik hoop met name dat onze "main stream media", de staats gesubsidieerde, er naar luisteren!
@arianova11
2 ай бұрын
This is the first and, arguably, only sensible conversation across the entire Net, that carefully sums up the background surrounding the circumstances within the ongoing Ukrainian conflict, so much so, that it likely outshines most everything else out there on the topic, whether you look at this from the Western or ‘pro-Russian’ perspective, I would add, with a relatively unbiased natration by the interviewee.
@Soul-zl6bb
2 ай бұрын
@aragon7369 Petro in his book considers DOMESTIC causes of the war in Ukraine, especially ukrainean nationalism. That's one part of the causes. The other part is international, GEOPOLITICAL causes, especially US regime aggression. There are many more sensible conversations on both groups of causes, including with Nicolai Petro by Aaron Maté.
@_TheMax_
2 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation of history.
@THOMAS-kz6oe
3 ай бұрын
Dit was het meest interessante gesprek van dit jaar tot nu toe. Proficiat.
@lukasfontana7589
2 ай бұрын
Mr. Petro has a wealth of knowledge. There are 2 things that made me nervous. The interviewer kept interrupting, but also Prof. Petro had to kept constantly on the subject because he easily wandered with his reasoning.
@ne.Fiertite2010
3 ай бұрын
Ну, Вообще-то, была Донецко-Криворожская республика.
@gerwit4713
3 ай бұрын
Heel lastig te volgen.
@haralva
6 күн бұрын
Very interesting! I will read the book
@HoroRH
2 ай бұрын
Too many interruptions by the host. The professor has a great deal of knowledge and I wanted to hear where he was going with his stream
@alyloopt1771
3 ай бұрын
Heel interessant. Dankjewel Ad
@mohammedsaani-dq8et
Ай бұрын
Unbelievable narrative. Lived and studied in ukraine from 1987 -1993 and could not believe when this horror started. If I live ĺong enough I will one day be back but to what ukraine I can't imagine but will always be my second home where I made friends from all around the world.
@gcmvw1201
2 ай бұрын
Even with the first question, the bias of the questioner (Ad Verbrugge) becomes clear: "How is it possible that in the West this conflict is simply looked at from the perspective of Russian aggression?" For the record since February 2022 Russia has been waging a war of aggression in and against a sovereign country; Ukraine. That Ukraine has not always been a sovereign country over the centuries is irrelevant to this, it has been since the early 1990s, and that is all that matters. The past is a repository of facts subject to change over the centuries: Netanyahu's Israel invokes Old Testament lore to justify the anexation of the Palestinian territories and those facts do not even constitute a reliable historical reconstruction but rather a religiously inspired myth. Erdogan is trying to establish a position of power, at least diplomatically, to restore something of the former glory of the Ottoman Empire. Serbia is using the battle of Merelveld to challenge the Albanian majority in Kosovo's autonomy, and this row could be extended endlessly. Verbrugge could also have asked why in the Netherlands the German invasion of May 1940 is seen purely from the perspective of German aggression and not as a legitimizing attempt by Germany to restore, at least partially, the original empire prior to 1548? Nicolai Petro's answer is even more telling. Instead of a traceable and verifiable argument, he comes up with a kind of conspiracy theory with Joe Biden in the lead role, by listing a number of facts that are true in themselves but of which the connection as outlined by Petro but is in no way proven. It is the usual imputation without factual, evidence that applies to 99% of conspiracy theories. That Putin's Russia acted in a similar manner in Georgia when Biden was still a senator (and Petro an advisor to the Bush administration) is not mentioned. Nor is there any mention of his presence at the first Ukraine forum (which took place partly under the responsibility of Leonid Kuchma) and, of course, no relatable mention of Petro involvement in "the American Committee for U.S.-Russian Accord" known for its advocacy of a Putin-friendly approach to the war in and about Ukraine. These facts do not deprive Petro of his right to speak, and it may itself be helpful for careful imaging to take note of his ideas. But then an interviewer should be expected to approach his guest with critical distance and not merely be the slip carrier for one hardly factually relevant narration. But of course Verbrugge does not do that, just as his comrade Jurgen Tiekstra didn't in his conversation on largely the same subject with Tom Sauer four weeks ago. Back then I already characterized The New World as 'misleading conversations in times of change'. Meanwhile, the conclusion seems justified that The New World is the youtube version of Forum for Democracy: a quasi intellectual pose with the sole purpose of ridiculously right-wing propaganda. At least when it comes to Putin appology.
@markdelbrooke-jones9947
2 ай бұрын
Nice discussion about the history. Both seem a bit naive in their belief that parties only have conflict because they fail to see the other side's point of view. Most politicians are psychopaths...
@wadeech
2 ай бұрын
Really a great dialog! Thank you both!!!
@helmagaikema
3 ай бұрын
Tragedie van Oekraïne Kees van der Pijl toch....??
@fullWindsor
2 ай бұрын
the anxiety of the host leads to an uncomfortable amount of interruptions in these, otherwise very interesting interviews.
@drywallsurgeon
2 ай бұрын
So what you’re saying is it’s been sloppy getting to this point. Thanks for your insights. I hope the people survive this.
@Sovoko65
2 ай бұрын
Just sad to listen to a former Russian person hating his former country.
@Soul-zl6bb
2 ай бұрын
@Sovok65 Nicolai Petro is critical of ukrainean nationalism and considers it one of the causes of the war.
@MichaelHolloway
3 ай бұрын
The day the coup happened, many top western leaders were in Sochi with Putin glad-handing at the ceremonies of the XXII Olympic Winter Games.
@yp77738yp77739
3 ай бұрын
Very useful for perspective, thank you. Appreciate this format.
@sliptrikk3018
3 ай бұрын
As a Swedish child my perception of the people east of Germany and West of Russia were that they are all kin and the only thing that made them different from Russians was that Russia was the biggest entity therefor maybe a bit of a bully. This view included the Balkans.
@hansjohan3150
3 ай бұрын
Being an opponent of the USA is dangerous, being it's friend is deadly.
@drnda2007
3 ай бұрын
What are you trying to say with 'this view included the Balkans'. What Russia has to do with Balkans? Balkan is occupied by nato today. There are no Russians there. Nato bombed former Yugoslavia, not Russia. It was part of nato expansion. Some balkan countries joined nato against people's will, Montenegro, Macedonia.
@sliptrikk3018
3 ай бұрын
@@drnda2007 As a child I didnt know this I just perceived the people as being the same.
@indycoon
3 ай бұрын
Russians are less spoiled by the western woke ideology. In Russia men are men, women are women. They are not bully, they are normal. The West is bully when they are trying to spread their rules all over the world including Russia. They managed to do it with Ukraine and now you see the result. Because the West is not only arrogant, they are ignorant without understanding of history and culture. Ukraine was a peaceful and happy country before the western organized coup in 2014.
@elenasivac7352
2 ай бұрын
@@sliptrikk3018 You need to learn World history.
@rustytheaveragedrumguy3984
2 ай бұрын
I read this in many comments but I will be straight forward. Interviewer needs to shut up and and let the guest speak.
@mbart
3 ай бұрын
This man knows quite a lot. Maybe the questions were a bit too general for the time available. An unprepared college for 45min about half a millenium of difficult history is not going to be that succesfull for most people. Nevertheless, this men kept his story organized, he really knows his stuff.
@hansjohan3150
3 ай бұрын
"You're beginning to talk like Poetin. That's dangerous!" . To show how smart those guys are, NOT.
@281992pdr
2 ай бұрын
A 10% minority can be ignored. That is one of several features of democracy.
@frankaczmarek3042
2 ай бұрын
You don't need a guest. You know everything so talk, talk, talk till your voice will go away.
@NeoCynic1
2 ай бұрын
Wo sind die Stauffenbergs der IDF und AFU??
@Jannette-mw7fg
3 ай бұрын
Hartelijk dank!
@sjaak3231
3 ай бұрын
Great conversation. Keep on, keeping on.
@PETERNDEJONGE
2 ай бұрын
Vriendelink bedankt Adrian JONGE Van Amsterdam gb 1939
@dvegule920
2 ай бұрын
Ivan Katchanovski about Maidan.
@alexanderkolesnik6942
2 ай бұрын
I wish I could like it a hundred times.
@zinahe
3 ай бұрын
Dear Adrian, please hold off your urge to interrupt your guest every minute. Your position should not be to argue with them. This is NOT a debate. As the host you should just ask probing questions let them make their points. I got very annoyed watching this video. But I commend you for your effort to bring alternative narratives. Cheers,
@axiom1509
2 ай бұрын
Why is that difficult to recognize ? Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev allocated territories under administration by Ukrainian Soviet Republic within the Soviet Union. Under administration not for ownership. That were Donbas, Western (present) Ukraine and Crimea. In 1991 when the Soviet Union dissolved Ukraine treated the territories as their own. They promised to run referenda in Donbas and Crimea but never fulfilled these promises. Donbas and Crimea are mostly populated by Russians who were there for centuries. Ukraine has no legitimate claims over this territories. Similarly in the western Ukraine. Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland were robbed by Stalin in 1945.
@ReneHaveman
3 ай бұрын
great conversation, very informative, and provides a "way out option"! This conversation aligns with Donald Trump's plan to end the war and get around the table.
@MichaelHolloway
3 ай бұрын
Thanks. Good interview. Enjoyed it.
@sefercoskun5491
3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the very clear explanation of ukranianinism in historical perspective.
@AvantiVictoireRao-bq1bj
2 ай бұрын
Please stop interrupting people you invite ! Try to take it as constructive feedback.
@GeorgesOne300
2 ай бұрын
This interview should be repeated with a different interviewer. Mr. Verbrugge is just a mess.
@allydea
3 ай бұрын
Many thanks for this conversation!
@MichaelHolloway
3 ай бұрын
During the liberal democratic state period (1945-1995), the difference from today was that there were thousands of news companies and many networks - including new cable players - and to maintain a fairly free flow of information, only one had to buck a trend - plus they all had a huge financial impetus to be that 'loose cannon' to the establishment every now and then. The movie 'Network' posited that the change was from a news editor with final edit, to the finance department - of course this is in a climate of shrinking corporate incomes and a flurry of huge corporate takeovers -> ie. monopolization. (Lenin perhaps :)
@jwayne4556
2 ай бұрын
The best discussion on Ukr. Wish his book was available on Audible.
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