I am glad that our brothers in the East are setting a line in the sand about this, with uttermost respect for the authority and canon law of the Catholic Church as a whole, and I think they did what they ought to do. This being said, I am Spanish, and I am a Roman Catholic, my language comes from Latin, members of the latin church defended and shaped my country through the ages. Some say that the conversion of king Reccared to Catholicism was the birth of my nation, and all this confusion will not, under any circumstance, make me go outside of it. If I go to anothe catholic church I may end in heaven anyway (God will it), but while I'm on earth I will fight to remain in the church that I feel is rooted in the same soil that I was born, raised and in which I want to die.
@user-br6ve4lz6n
8 ай бұрын
Amen. I'm riding til the wheels fall off.
@lordtyrus1
8 ай бұрын
@@user-br6ve4lz6nthey have...
@lemonknope
8 ай бұрын
Bien dicho Paco 👏👏👏
@SaintJoseph911
8 ай бұрын
This was awesome to read as a fellow catholic. God bless
@catholicarrows
8 ай бұрын
I want to hang around with you in heaven.
@xtruthx
8 ай бұрын
As an orthodox.. I'm praying for my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters. I think another council is in order. This needs to get straightened out quickly, because this could literally divide the church again.
@sufiameen6093
8 ай бұрын
totally agree! this action is dividing Protestant mainline denominationss!
@FrJohnBrownSJ
8 ай бұрын
I don't think any serious theologians are fighting over the (small "o") orthodoxy of the doc. As conservative people calm down and read the actual doc, it is nothing to schism about. However, there are some serious dissident Catholics who want gay "marriage" and won't be happy until they get it. This letter makes clear the ancient faith hasn't changed. That's all any church council could really say. I'm afraid those who will break away will simply switch to whatever version of Protestant they feel most at home in. No real schism is necessary, nor a council that could prevent it.
@ChadChadwicksson
8 ай бұрын
The Church? You're Orthodox, get a grip, brother. The Orthodox church is the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We have nothing to do with RC and they're not the church.
@user-jn8nn6bf6v
8 ай бұрын
100% Been saying it for a month! That the only silver lining I see is that this practically guarantees a Council. But short of a miracle, it will await Francis' death. But you never know! It may get so bad that he is forced to call it himself.
@jackdaw6359
8 ай бұрын
Our church? You are not with us
@JamesIdentity
8 ай бұрын
„Pastoral prudence urges us to avoid ambiguous gestures, expressions and concepts that would distort or misrepresent God‘s word and the teaching of the Church.“ Boom. Nailed it.
@BelaMadeira
8 ай бұрын
Absolutely!
@HolyKhaaaaan
8 ай бұрын
The Roman Catholic bishops of Ukraine also put out a statement, which reflected a similar sensibility (though they have to accept it for what it is): "We see danger in ambiguous formulations that cause divergent interpretations among the faithful. What we perceive as lacking in the document is that the Gospel calls sinners to conversion, and without a call to leave the sinful life of homosexual couples, the blessing may look like an approval."
@Joseph-Colin-EXP
8 ай бұрын
@HolyKhaaaaan clarity is the path of the righteous.
@Shinigami00Azael
8 ай бұрын
Wow, it's like taken right from FS, right? All this about not letting it be even remotely similar to a wedding etc. And not giving anyone any idea that you in any way condone the type of life those people are living?
@fr.hughmackenzie5900
8 ай бұрын
but as the statement says, "Blessings" (in the Greek tradition) intrinsically mean approval of the nature of the blessed. @@Shinigami00Azael
@Ggdivhjkjl
8 ай бұрын
Having met Patriarch Sviatoslav, he is a most joyful and faithful man. Great to see him standing up for the Faith!
@Keith-qj5dp
8 ай бұрын
@@sA-ny2jl good time to review why you put man’s word over God’s word Christ is not present in your blasphemous clown masses
@caleb.lindsay
8 ай бұрын
Wow. This is a wild time we are living in. Peace of Christ to all of you! Hold fast to The Faith.
@lawrencebaxa6168
8 ай бұрын
The great falling away
@caleb.lindsay
8 ай бұрын
@@lawrencebaxa6168 it does seem like the kind of event that could trigger it, doesn't it? Man, times I never thought I'd see...
@michellemcdermott2026
8 ай бұрын
Thanking the Ukranian Catholic Church
@MicahMicahel
8 ай бұрын
my grandparents who died in the 1990s were always happy the their Ukrainian Catholic church was operated from the papacy. They liked John Paul though.
@DominicMazoch
8 ай бұрын
DO IT!
@davidg2840
8 ай бұрын
same thanks for the Ukranian Catholic church. I just read document and agree what it was said.
@murielkinsella3526
8 ай бұрын
Thank you❤
@theUkrainium
8 ай бұрын
If anything, we Ukrainians are stubborn, just ask Vladdy cakes in the kremlin. Lol
@_Nasrani_
8 ай бұрын
As a member of Indian Eastern Catholic Church, I pray our bishops and the cardinal may follow the example of our Ukrainian brethren.
@iamneverwrong6635
8 ай бұрын
In a sense, if the Eastern Church is seeking to recruit with this declaration - they will no doubt be successful.
@StanleyPinchak
8 ай бұрын
Pray for our bishops. They have enough trouble from us regulars as it is.
@nuriacb7880
8 ай бұрын
As soon as the Papa's document came out, I searched in google for Easter Catholic Church near me and this was before the Ukranian Catholic Church statement. Imagine how many more people have done it too.
@israeliana
8 ай бұрын
Eastern Catholic Church* They don't need to recruit they're still under Rome. It's just Byzantine Rite of Catholicism.
@Flame1500
8 ай бұрын
@@nuriacb7880 No surprised. The latin church strayed from the truth 1000 years ago. I kinda think it’s fine to attend the different services, but ultimately, this should not surprise you. Give it 50ish more years and Francis IV will be sanctioning gay weddings and trans man holy orders
@MaraJadeTX
8 ай бұрын
@@Flame1500Congrats. You're protestant.
@BD-3x3
8 ай бұрын
"A Catholic is a person who has plucked up courage to face the incredible and inconceivable idea that something else may be wiser than he is." --G.K. Chesterton
@stevenharder308
8 ай бұрын
For Francis, that thing is the sexual revolution.
@BD-3x3
8 ай бұрын
@@stevenharder308 "Love is bound; and the more it is bound, the less it is blind." --G.K. Chesterton, _Orthodoxy_
@isaacbonilla4687
8 ай бұрын
A Catholic is a person that has committed apriori intelectual suicide and has granted the Pope the ability to think for himself
@thesmallchocolateguy9331
8 ай бұрын
I am a Ugandan Catholic and I tell you all this is a lie by the main stream media or youtubers who don't want to read the official document of Pope Francis. We are all sinners and need God's blessings, so if any sinners of which all of us are, go to a Priest asking to bless them, such blessings are not aimed at approving our sinfulness but rather to help us to live a life that reflects God's commandments. Also the document states" When a blessing is invoked on certain human relationships” through a special liturgical rite, the Declaration notes, “it is necessary that what is blessed corresponds with God’s designs written in creation” . Therefore, the Church does not have the power to impart a liturgical(marriage) blessing on irregular or same-sex couples." Also it states;" the doctrine regarding marriage does not change, and the blessing does not signify approval of the union." and ” It is reiterated that according to the “perennial Catholic doctrine” only sexual relations between a man and a woman in the context of marriage are considered lawful. The third part of the Declaration (paragraphs 31-41) opens then to the possibility of these blessings that represent a sign for those who “recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help-do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit” (par. 31). Here is the link to official document : www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2023-12/fiducia-supplicans-doctrine-faith-blessing-irregular-couples.html. please read and don't believe the main stream media or some youtubers' lies. May God forgive us all through Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.
@BD-3x3
8 ай бұрын
@@thesmallchocolateguy9331 :) Bless you, beautiful brother in Christ!
@duanesmith8643
8 ай бұрын
I think this explanation hits home with a majority of Catholics. Blessings mean something. It’s not a vague appeasement to make a few people stuck in sin to feel accepted. We live on Gods terms. Not ours.
@st.thomasreporter9350
8 ай бұрын
It's not to make people "feel accepted". It's for the blessing of God to descend on their lives and help them live better. People are letting their pre-conceived notions and prejudices of what they think the document is saying get in the way of what the Church actually desires.
@duanesmith8643
8 ай бұрын
It’s not preconceived. I read it.
@Nikola1791L
8 ай бұрын
@@st.thomasreporter9350 Please explain a realistic scenario where a homosexual couple decides to get their homosexual relationship blessed, but want to… not be in a homosexual relationship anymore? Even if this would ever happen - then why wouldn’t they just ask for a blessing to overcome this, (which has always been allowed), why would they ask for their disordered relationship to be blessed?
@vivrowe2763
8 ай бұрын
@@st.thomasreporter9350They are living in sin, it can't be blessed at all. End of story.
@MicahMicahel
8 ай бұрын
Then the pope would pray for their salvation. You have to admit the pope is playing ambiguities on purpose. I don't think he's stupid. He knows what he's doing. Unless he not morally able to understand.. possibly marxism has subverted his moral capacity. Marxism is derived from Satanism. I don't understand how he could possibly be Marxist and Christian. Marxism is directly treated as a reaction to Christianity. It's the religion of the snake. It's the snake! @@st.thomasreporter9350 read what he snake says and it's Marxism. Marx was a Satanist before he wrote his economic theory. This would explain the pope's actions before as well.
@isaacosahon4352
8 ай бұрын
Hello Matt, The title of the video is a little misleading: the UGCC is not rejecting but responding to the document, rather their blessings are ONLY LITURGICAL, which is why they cannot apply such blessings for pastoral purposes. It is a valid response.
@angrypotato_fz
8 ай бұрын
Agreed, it is a misleading title. And while I like this letter, I don't think it's good to present it as a "banner for rebels" or "hey look, this is OUR side of this conflict, YAY!" - and this is a feeling I get from the title and almost non-existent commentary ;)
@iliya3110
8 ай бұрын
It was smart for them to word it the way they did because they’re trying to find a way to oppose it without Rome having a way to enforce it on them. If Rome tries to then the UGCC will complain that’s a Latinization on their understanding of blessings. If you know anything about Ukrainian culture you know it’s very traditional on the whole with family moral values and there is no way they’d approve of something like F.S. culturally speaking. In their culture, it’d be scandalous to publicly bless a SSA couple in a church. The document can say whatever but the praxis is what they care about and it’s the praxis in F.S. they are saying isn’t compatible with Eastern tradition. Thats because they still have traditional and cultural influence from their former Orthodox past in their church, whereas Rome is clearly doing this to appear more “inclusive” and placate a modern, progressive Western audience
@GaetanoLetiziaMusic
8 ай бұрын
You’re speaking in gobbledygook. The Ukrainian church took a stand and clarified it. Blessing means approval. My bet is that they will not be blessing any same sex couples. I’m sure they do welcome those individuals who repent of homosexuality though. I applaud them for it in a time when Pope Francis has intentionally stepped over a line too far.
@isaacosahon4352
8 ай бұрын
@@GaetanoLetiziaMusic I am just pronouncing what the UGCC proclaimed: if you think it is gibberish or gobbledygook, well, that is too bad. Sure, they have taken a stand, and they did it without rejecting the document, but their blessings must not be for any sinners whatsoever. It is sad if that is the hill they want to die on.
@lindamorgan2678
3 ай бұрын
@@angrypotato_fz I worked for me I did not understand the title would of been nice to see the wording "Response to Pope's Blessing of same sex union" but glad I clicked on it. No commentary needed I can make up my own mind and do not need spin like the news
@iamneverwrong6635
8 ай бұрын
My mom is Ukrainian - raised in the Eastern Rite. I’m not leaving Rome, but I am disappointed with the mess of moral ambiguity that has occurred since this latest from Rome. I can see where the East is coming from- they wish to draw a line in the sand and no wonder. Francis has created more confusion no matter his intentions.
@jackieo8693
8 ай бұрын
I would use the word scandal instead of confusion!
@gunsgalore7571
8 ай бұрын
I think the best thing we can do is actually read the document so we have a good and informed opinion of what it actually says and go based off that, not what everyone is saying.
@the0s0ph1st
8 ай бұрын
@@gunsgalore7571the mere fact that one has to read the document and not able to trust anybody else is the scandalous part about it.
@jackieo8693
8 ай бұрын
@@gunsgalore7571 yes and the word "couple" is used along with a bunch of gobbledy gook about "the good things" in the relationship.
@Jkp1321
8 ай бұрын
You misunderstand the situation. They are allowed to do that because they are so few in number. As we have seen recently when a member of the Roman clergy stands their ground (Bishop Strickland) it doesn't go well.
@citizen77750
8 ай бұрын
You need to add that to the Malawi church, too. They dont even reject they banned the blessings of same sex couples.
@user-jn8nn6bf6v
8 ай бұрын
Malawi, Zambia, Cameroon give outright bans.
@DrModestMom
8 ай бұрын
Amen! God bless our Eastern brothers and sisters!
@user-cy3dv7fu2j
8 ай бұрын
My wife and my children are baptized Byzantine. I will be seeking to formally change rites myself. Both for the benefit of my family, and now because the application of jurisdiction in the Latin Church is getting weird very quickly.
@roytofilovski9530
8 ай бұрын
The Eastern Catholics are still Catholic. I don't think there is any formality required, although I may be wrong on that.
@DominicMazoch
8 ай бұрын
THere is a formal change of Rite procedure. However, for Communion, Confession, Last Rites and Sunday Obligation, you are go to go right now.
@huntsail3727
8 ай бұрын
Amen! May our Eastern brothers, who have the courage to speak with intelligence, charity, and authority, lead us in the West through this period of testing.
@lostcauselancer333
8 ай бұрын
As a Protestant, I can’t express how fervently I’m praying for understanding about what any of this means.
@Amcc38383
8 ай бұрын
I'm Catholic but I need to learn more before speaking about it
@pop6997
8 ай бұрын
@@Amcc38383 Strange times indeed.
@jonathanstensberg
8 ай бұрын
Simple: do you believe that someone can ask God to help those in sinful relationships overcome the sinfulness in their relationships? If the answer is yes, then you agree with Fiducia Supplicans, at least up to the point of where you may disagree with the Catholic Church about other related matters (eg the nature of the priesthood, the nature of the priestly blessing, etc.)
@AJ_Jingco
8 ай бұрын
@@jonathanstensbergHomosexuals in themselves are *LOVED* by God. But Homosexual ACTS is an *ABOMINATION* to God.
@claytonhall989
8 ай бұрын
We’re slipping into murky times. The pope is intending to bless individuals within a same sex relationship with the apparent hope that they would not continue this relationship, but the language being used is so vague. Please continue praying for the Christian church and her leaders.
@consecratedsoul
8 ай бұрын
“Blessing a reality that is contrary to creation is not only impossible, it is blasphemy.” -Cardinal Muller
@volusian95
8 ай бұрын
The union isn't blessed tho
@natewilke
8 ай бұрын
@@volusian95yes they are. Read the document.
@zebre676
8 ай бұрын
@@natewilke No they aren't, relationship is not equal to the union, nor is it contrary to any doctrine in the church. Read the document.
@natewilke
8 ай бұрын
@@zebre676 read the document. The couple is being blessed, not the individuals.
@pcola4594
8 ай бұрын
@@volusian95 You cannot separate a couple from the thing that binds them as one.
@Prohortico
8 ай бұрын
Beautiful! My family has already made the decision, if we ever see this happening in our local small town Parish, the only option we will have left is to begin attending the Ukrainian Catholic Church…. But Divine Liturgy is at 8:30am, so we’ll have to make a few sacrifices to get our 5 kids out the door extra early if it comes to it!
@kypeppermiller9689
8 ай бұрын
The sacrifice is worth it! We have been part of the Ruthenian Catholic Rite for 30 years, raising our 5 children and now our grandchildren. 7:30 Liturgy 40 minute drive and so worth it! Best decision we were made. God bless you! ☦️
@waseemhermiz7565
8 ай бұрын
I also attend the Ruthenian Byzantine Liturgy in a Ukrainian Catholic Church and it is heaven on earth. Glory to Jesus Christ!
@Prohortico
8 ай бұрын
@@kypeppermiller9689 I actually attended our local Ukranian Church about a month and a half ago by myself to see more clearly what it was like. Last time I went was 20 years ago. What and where is the Ruthenian Rite? I doubt it’s near me, but curious - there’s so many ‘Rites’… another that we’d gladly attend if it was more geographically available is the Ordinariate. Lovely liturgical celebration and community- we do have a locally available Wednesday afternoon liturgy with that community via our Homeschool association. Thank you.
@joshuamoore8278
8 ай бұрын
I’ve asked my parish to provide me their stance and have suspended our family tithes until they provide a position. I’ve also told them that if they support it I will be redirecting our funds. People need to vote with their wallets.
@jamesms4
8 ай бұрын
Mate ye really dinnae HAVE to go to an Eastern Catholic (ye can if you want I did that in mae time). But you should stay away from a Parish that does these blessings. Odds are they won't even enforce rules found in Fiducia Supplicans. OTOH ignore what I just said if it keeps ye out of the SSPX or the so called Eastern Orthodox proper.... Glory to Jesus Christ.
@timrichardson4018
8 ай бұрын
Having read Fiducia Supplicans before hearing any commentary (thank God), it seems to me that the UGCC is not "rejecting" it. It seems to me, by their canonical definitions and practices regarding the meaning of blessings, that they are completely in accord with Fiducia Supplicans. A blessing by their canons would be a violation of it's teachings.
@zestotemp
7 ай бұрын
They’re saving face like all the bishops who have rejected it. There is no difference east and west between blessings. That is a fib. Eastern priests can bless things privately.
@jomorod4275
6 ай бұрын
Seems like thier is a difference between both rites on the meaning of blessing. Latin rite allows for spontaneous blessing I.e. Someone goes to the priest outside of the mass/liturgy or sacraments and ask for blessings for themselves, family, friends, sacramentals etc. The priest typically don't ask if you have gone to confession before they give blessings, they are blessing the individual and not thier intentions. Then their is a liturgical blessing given during mass or in connection with some sacrament. The document is addressing those kind of spontaneous blessing. Marriage is a sacraments and administered usually during mass or some kind of liturgy. The blessing in the marriage liturgy is given to both the individual and the union. Blessings given to two homosexuals just like 5 heterosexual is not in anyway a liturgical blessing as it is not connected to sacraments of marriage.
@chrisgunn9674
8 ай бұрын
Matt 16:18 "And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."
@dylans5386
8 ай бұрын
The last sentence from this statement, “The blessing of the Lord be upon you”. That wasn’t liturgical, was it? And it’s not condoning the readers reading this document of their actions, or their way of life. It seems like it’s a simple phase that’s meant to imparts God’s love to another. In paragraph 5 of the Fiducia Supplicans it specifically states the Catholic Church cannot bless same sex couples. I think everyone is just confused and misinterpreting what it means to be blessed. 5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.
@calebcoulter2268
8 ай бұрын
Thats a pretty hilarious catch and I think it does explain the purpose of FS very well. All in all I don't think this response document is nearly as 'defiant' as some people are reading it to be though. I took it more like "the situations where the document applies does not occur in our rite, therefor we can not participate"
@marilena7848
8 ай бұрын
Yes, I know the document itself is fine. But I also know what all the headlines say. Is the Vatican PR department really that awful? Or are they deliberating confusing us all, thus sowing division and/or leaving the door open for abuses?
@TheBadgerDad_TheByzantineLife
8 ай бұрын
Indeed, the Patriarchal Apostolic Blessing at the conclusion of an official address is a liturgical action, as these missives are designed to be read from the pulpit by the priests as representatives of the Hierarch.
@dylans5386
8 ай бұрын
Liturgy in the Catholic Church generally pertains to formalized rituals and ceremonies associated with public worship, such as the Mass and sacraments.
@Bonifatus
8 ай бұрын
@@marilena7848 “When we cannot excuse the sin, let us at least render it deserving of compassion, attributing it to the most favorable cause, such as ignorance or weakness. But may we never then judge our neighbour? No, truly, never.” -St. Francis de Sales
@darryljanzen1019
8 ай бұрын
I know next to nothing about the eastern Catholic Church, but this text is astounding! Very well said both from tradition and scripture!
@Petroseni
8 ай бұрын
Well done!! Our Eastern Catholic churches welcome one and all!!!
@1952jodianne
8 ай бұрын
My Dad was baptized Maronite. Shall have to look into it.
@vipe650r
8 ай бұрын
I am not a Catholic, myself, but seeing my brothers and sisters take a stand against heresy and perversion is beautiful, right, and good; and I bless your enduring pursuit of faithfulness to God and His commandments.
@racheljames7
8 ай бұрын
Are you a protestant? Do you take a stand against contraception and divorce?
@xehaexox
8 ай бұрын
There was no heresy. Stop the slander
@georgesaguelton5751
8 ай бұрын
@@xehaexox Meaning of heresy: belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious doctrine, opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted. Therefore the notion of heresy is correct.
@cosmicgirl7288
8 ай бұрын
There’s nothing in His commandments about homosexuality.
@Strive1974
8 ай бұрын
Best rebuttal yet!! Amen ! ❤
@gregorypizarro9403
8 ай бұрын
I see very confused people in the comments. I’m almost certain, and most of these people have not even read the document.
@bansheebrethren797
8 ай бұрын
Title is misleading. They just recognize that this doesn’t apply to them realistically.
@bruno-bnvm
8 ай бұрын
Open your eyes.
@ShirlJr
8 ай бұрын
In Canada, switching to the Ukranian church is definitely an option worth checking. Thanks!
@myleshagar9722
8 ай бұрын
How has the Canadian hierarchy responded? Take a guess.
@videonmode8649
8 ай бұрын
The CCCB have affirmed the document is about blessing only the PERSONS and not the union.
@israeliana
8 ай бұрын
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is still Catholic
@ayararesara6253
2 ай бұрын
I heard there are barely any greek catholic in Canada left, even census started to list them as just "catholics".
@recipeformiracle
8 ай бұрын
This response is brilliant, concise, and spot on!!!
@bryanjones8778
8 ай бұрын
Good for the Eastern Catholic Churches in taking a stand against this new document!
@MrFrenchy777
8 ай бұрын
Thank you and may God Bless the Ukranian Catholic Church!
@Santos.da.casa77
8 ай бұрын
This gives me hope❤ here stands a clear and accurate declaration. Bless the Lord
@martabachynsky8545
8 ай бұрын
Слава Богу! Glory Be to God! ☦✝🙏🏼
@PadraigTomas
8 ай бұрын
Amen.
@stephenlight647
8 ай бұрын
Excellent. I may need to work my way back to the Marionites. Maybe they will follow this next.
@mnc324
8 ай бұрын
May the UGCC remain faithful to the Holy Spirit. Blessed be God :)
@EamonBurke
8 ай бұрын
Maybe the title could be "RESPONDS TO" because the statement isn't a rejection, it's a clarification that the Declaration from the Dicastery *doesn't apply*. -An Eastern Orthodox Brother, who is deeply upset by what Cardinal Fernandez is doing, but doesn't want to literally watch Rome Burn
@joecardone4887
8 ай бұрын
So am I correct in saying that the document was more of a recommendation for priests for how to approach these blessings? Because correct me if I’m wrong but it was written to clarify to the Church that the German church is wrong in how they’d approach blessing same sex couples. So to me this document is saying the German church is taking it too far but here’s what we can do. Please give me your feedback and only respond if you’re really trying to help and if you’ve read the document in full. It seems most people are reacting before reading the document
@volusian95
8 ай бұрын
Your assessment is right, many people don't understand that the whole point of the document is to establish limitations rather than the opposite. I mean, it's super obviously dishonest how the media has reported on it, considering the document repeats multiple times that irregular unions cannot be blessed. But at the same time, I think some of the approach is overly charitable and the lack of direct language regarding repentance and the intrinsic evil of such unions has opened the door to grave misunderstandings.
@Willis_S
8 ай бұрын
I have read the document in full, in quiet. Section III .31 says that there is now a blessing for irregular (adulterous ) couples and a blessing for same sex couples in a relationship. There is no call to repentance or hope for the individual. The document pretty much states you can bless disordered unions in anywhere but Mass. IMO, it is the first step in normalizing sexual disorders in the Holy Church.
@auk7447
8 ай бұрын
I've just read it. It's very clear that this is a spontaneous blessing of people, outside of the liturgy, outside of any ritual and without any formality or connection to civil unions. It is a pastoral and private blessing. I can't see that being contrary to Christ. I volunteer in hospital chaplaincy. When you are in a pastoral role - up close to human experience and suffering the intellectual arguments tend to fall away and we become Christ for the other. This is how I see this document. For me it's important to distinguish between blessing and sacrament.
@imjustheretogrill9260
8 ай бұрын
It is confusing. It explicitly reaffirms church teaching on marriage. However, it seems to reduce homosexual relationships from intrinsically disordered to irregular which is terrible phrasing. Irregular unions can be regularized. Sodomy can’t be regularized. Additionally they are called “couples” but they are not based on traditional Catholic anthropology. The other confusing part is you can bless their “humanly valid… relationships…” Nobody clearly knows what that means. This is article 31 and where most confusion resides. Trads are concerned “relationships” in context is the sodomite’s diabolical relationship. That can’t be blessed. Others are saying that isn’t what it means. The Pope hasn’t clarified.
@Willis_S
8 ай бұрын
@dansteele8855 The document provides a means for blessing those in mortal sexual sin, but not a path forward for the individual. The Church already provides the remedy for those individuals entangled in habitual mortal sin, but never in our history has the Church ever bestowed a blessing people as a group whose only relation is a sinful act. The fact that we are having this debate is evidence of how this document was designed to seed confusion within the Church.
@deannaroberts4348
8 ай бұрын
I am a protestant who cares deeply for my Catholic brothers and sisters. My response to this confusion is simple and based on the word of God- 1. God is not the author of confusion, period. And, 2. We are to flee from even the appearance if evil.
@gunsgalore7571
8 ай бұрын
My only issue is that everybody's screaming evil without actually reading the document. I have read the document, and it's not actually evil, and it condemns homosexuality as sinful and said no teaching is changing.
@Xymage
8 ай бұрын
@@gunsgalore7571 look at the article on Catholic Answers titled, "Blessing Same-Sex Couples: a CA Roundtable" and look specifically at Christopher Check he gives a great answer as to why it is morally problematic and provides scandal
@PadraigTomas
8 ай бұрын
It is an invitation to abuse by priests and prelates who aught to have been held to account some time ago.
@georgesaguelton5751
8 ай бұрын
@@gunsgalore7571 I've read the document too. The wording is deliberately ambiguous, at the same time upholding doctrine and allowing deviations in pastoral practice.
@HolyKhaaaaan
8 ай бұрын
Meanwhile, in the Latin Church in Ukraine: Editor’s note: On December 19, 2023, the Roman Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Ukraine published the following response to Fiducia supplicans on their official website here. Below is an unofficial English translation by OnePeterFive: Communiqué of the Ukrainian [Roman Catholic] Bishops’ Conference on the Declaration of the Dicastery of the Doctrine of the Faith “FIDUCIA SUPPLICANS” on the pastoral significance of blessings. The document of the Vatican’s Dicastery of the Doctrine of the Faith examines the different types of blessings that can be given by clergy outside the liturgy. The document also emphasizes that only those who want to live a life pleasing to God and ask for a blessing can be blessed liturgically. Instead, it expands the understanding of extra-liturgical blessing, which is usually given to all people, by introducing the possibility of “blessing same-sex couples.” It is this possibility that has caused a storm of reactions and misunderstandings about the moral and doctrinal issues in the Catholic Church regarding this kind of blessing. This is because the concept of “blessing” is perceived by many as “permission,” especially as “permission to sin.” While the entire document makes it clear that there is no “permission” or “blessing” for homosexual cohabitation or any life of sin, nor any change in the Church’s traditional teaching on marriage, the notion of blessing same-sex couples, or even sacramentally irregular couples, can be perceived as legalizing these relationships. The document seeks to emphasize God’s boundless love for all people, sinners included, and in this regard to show that the Church does not reject these people, namely those with homosexual tendencies or even actions. However, it seems that the text does not clearly show the distinction between the person and his or her manner, the merciful acceptance of the person and the express disapproval of his or her sin. At the same time, the document focuses mainly on two categories of people: those living in sacramentally irregular relationships (men and women) and same-sex couples. Thus, the document treats the situation of sacramentally irregular male-female couples and same-sex couples equally. Both situations are gravely sinful, however, they need to be treated separately. We see danger in ambiguous formulations that cause divergent interpretations among the faithful. What we perceive as lacking in the document is that the Gospel calls sinners to conversion, and without a call to leave the sinful life of homosexual couples, the blessing may look like an approval. However, we emphasize that the document repeatedly stresses that the blessing of same-sex couples is in no way a legalization of such cohabitation, and the Catholic Church’s teaching on the Sacrament of Matrimony, which is the union of a man and a woman, remains unchanged. Conference of Roman Catholic Bishops of Ukraine 19 December 2023
@jeanierussell201
8 ай бұрын
That’s what the Bishops in the U.S.said too. We got an email today. In my opinion it’s just opening the door to more.
@JohnHenrysaysHi
8 ай бұрын
Thank you, Matt. Praying for Pope Francis and the Church every day in my Rosary.
@Benjolino5
8 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing. My understanding of blessing, as a Catholic, has always been as described in this declaration, especially in the fourth point. Trying to explain blessing in any other way is bending the minds to accept a lie, through sophistry, and cause more division in the Church 💔
@marcuscabrera4079
8 ай бұрын
GLORY TO HIM FOREVER!
@foxx2990
8 ай бұрын
You are a Ukrainian Greek Catholic ? Wow, I had no idea…just assumed that as an Aussie like me you were a Latin rite Catholic.
@rockmcdwayne1710
8 ай бұрын
I got to be honest, im quite confused over this... debacle?! 1st: If you believe in the doctrines of catholic church AND you happen to be gay, you should also believe that you are commiting sin so why on earth would you want a priest give you his blessing in gay marriage in catholic church?! And 2nd: If you dont believe in catholic doctrines then you are not catholic so, AGAIN, why on earth would you want blessing from catholic priest in your gay marriage in catholic church?! Which ever way you look at it, it seems like the institution of catholic church is directly attacked over this issue while it shouldnt be an issue at all?!
@vincentmcnabb939
4 ай бұрын
Indeed.
@qodesmith520
8 ай бұрын
Why can't they just say - "We disagree with the pope, blessing gay relationships goes against the teaching of scripture, and the gay lifestyle is sin." See how plain that is?
@dyzmadamachus9842
8 ай бұрын
Bc they are in agreement with the Pope- blessing same sex relationships is against scripture, tradition and church teaching.
@godfreydebouillon8807
8 ай бұрын
I'm not a Catholic, but I attended an RCIA meeting last week. If we go ahead and become Catholic, can I attend an Eastern one? Is it all one communion? The Pope, last week, put the brakes on our journey (my wife and myself). I think I recognize the Church as the universal true Church, but am having trouble now that they are openly blessing depravity and sin with a word salad.
@paullahoud5783
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, the Eastern Catholic Churches are all in communion. I myself am a Maronite Catholic.
@here_we_go_again2571
8 ай бұрын
"Word salad" That describes what Pope Francis and his followers have been doing since he took office. Nothing he states or does is clear to the average person in the pews (could it be because he is a Jesuit?) I've got a nagging premonition that the pro-LGBTQ (+ ...whatever ...) priests and the homosexual priests (there are a lot of them in the RCC) are going to openly perform blessings of same-sex couples in front of the friends/families of these same sex couples.(As well as a possible exchange of rings) A party (reception) will, most likely, be held by the participants with their family and friends (who approve) afterwards. I don't think that those within the church are going to be able to roll-back what I believe will happen. Frankly, I foresee the same or similar anger and confusion for the laity continuing in the much same way that the liturgical changes of Vatican ii caused as well as the destruction of traditional altars and altar rails (where people used to kneel for Holy Communion) as well as an "anything goes" attitude regarding music and clothing traditions (modest dressing and women w-hats/scarves at church)
@paullahoud5783
8 ай бұрын
Brother, if you believe what you said in your last sentence, then you should also have faith in what the Lord promised Peter when he said the Gates of Hell must not prevail. The reason that a word salad must be used (when even that word salad can't be properly interpreted to allow for the blessing of sin) is to cause mass confusion. I pray that you find the truth, guided by the Holy Spirit.
@kerry8506
8 ай бұрын
You can attend an Eastern church. We’re all in communion. It’s not as bad as all that though. The pope has said the church cannot bless sin, and that hasn’t changed. The document is orthodox. Priests can only bless the sinners, not their union, not their relationship, not their actions. One can argue whether it’s appropriate to bless the two people together. Paragraph 20 reads: “One who asks for a blessing show himself to be in need of God’s saving presence in his life and one who asks for a blessing from the Church recognizes the latter as a sacrament of the salvation that God offers. To seek a blessing in the Church is to acknowledge that the life of the Church springs from the womb of God’s mercy and helps us to move forward, to live better, and to respond to the Lord’s will.” So the blessing doesn’t condone depravity. Rather it is meant to extend grace to turn toward God.
@rayboi7924
8 ай бұрын
Pope Francis wants the people to be blessed so that they may receive the graces of conversion. The Pope does not want “depravity” to be blessed, he wants sinners to be blest. Are we not blessed by the priest after Holy Mass? Are we not sinners? Why should those struggling with homosexuality be treated differently? Hopefully I helped, God bless!
@PaxMundi118
8 ай бұрын
Bishop Barron and Father Mark Goring approved of the document.
@Mark3ABE
8 ай бұрын
They are, quite naturally, afraid of being “cancelled” and deprived of their ministries. They will both be under very close scrutiny by the Holy Office. One word out of place and they will meet the same fate as Bishop Strickland.
@user-jn8nn6bf6v
8 ай бұрын
@@Mark3ABE Then Bishop should have stayed QUIET! Who demanded he issue a personal statement?
@PaxMundi118
8 ай бұрын
I want to respond to both of these comments. The assertion that Bishop Barron is afraid of being "cancelled" if he expresses any criticism or dissent is unfounded. Bishops, Cardinals, priests with public ministries and even Bishop's' Conferences have expressed disagreement, partial assent, harsh criticism, hyperbolic denunciation and, in the case of Bishops' Conferences, a refusal to implement the document (as in Nigeria, Malawi, Ukraine and others). Bishop Barron and especially Fr. Goring, who is known as a conservative, capable of being critical of Pope Francis, a priest with a wide range of opinions, could freely have expressed a critical or negative response. But theu both did not. Barron, who is a wise and effective Bishop, and who has brought more people to Christ than any other priest since Fulton Sheen, gave his approval of the document. Full stop. Fr. Goring, known as being very conservative, and also a powerful evangelist for the Church, has spoken clearly (and calmly, unlike some people) about why he sees no problem with the document. He is also free to express dissent, as that would not believe unexpected from him in this situation, as a strong conservative, and as a priest who does not hold back on opinions. Bishop Strickland, on the hand, supported Sedevacantism at the Rome Life Conference this year, calling the Pope "the usurper of the office St. Peter." He shared a tweet calling Francis a "disoriented, demented clown." Also, at the Rime Conference, he read a letter that said that Francis is "the voice of Satan" and "the Antichrist" according to the Book of Revelation. These were reckless and frankly unhinged attacks on the Pope, but they are not the most problematic things he did as Bishop. He was the first signatory on a document accusing the Pope of heresy, in violation of Canon Law (according to the Eighth Ecumenical Council). Still, this is not why he was fired. He was fired because, after a thorough investigation into his Diocese, there was determined to be serious "management issues," either financially, in addition of perhaps the handling of priests or other issues. Two priests have come public saying Bishop Strickland management approach and celebrity status was, in several ways, damaging the Diocese and its parishioners. He was not fired for expressing Conservative views. Many Bishops, priests and Cardinals express even more conservative views than him, or give support for the SSPX, but see no discipline. The cancellation hypothesis doesn't hold up, in my view.
@PaxMundi118
8 ай бұрын
Personally, I have critical things to say about the document, which I can share.
@sienkiewiczmonika1161
8 ай бұрын
The declaration does not change in any way the current teaching of the Church regarding marriage and family. It is also not a document about the Church's teaching on marriage and family, but rather about the correct understanding of the word "blessing".
@pollywanda
8 ай бұрын
Blessings are approval--- don't twist wordsl
@oldsoul9932
8 ай бұрын
If that’s true, then why are they celebrating? The Jesuits put out a full page advert in the NY Times today affirming the blessing of the couples, and that the Church is changing.
@pollywanda
8 ай бұрын
The Church is changing for the better--- what's wrong with equality and inclusiveness? Pope Francis clarified that homosexuality is not a sin, and gay couples can be blessed--- An early Christmas gift for many families.
@ThePianoFortePlayer
8 ай бұрын
@@pollywanda so when I’m in a communion line and gesture to the priest to give me a blessing instead of the Eucharist because I’m not in a state of grace, the priest is approving of my sins?
@pollywanda
8 ай бұрын
@ThePianoFortePlayer That's an individual blessing--- To bless a couple means to bless what makes them a couple. It's very clear to me, but I pray Pope Francis clarifies this more. Something is blessed when a blessing is given. If not the couple's union, what?
@PepePeepo-q3r
8 ай бұрын
Im staying Roman Rite, the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against any Catholic Rite. Christ promised it. But it saddens me that we can now be mocked.
@francismcglynn4169
8 ай бұрын
“Being baptized is not just a cultic ritual; it is an event with a definite meaning: acceptance of the universal form and Creed of the Church in such a way that they become my personal way of life. In being baptized, I accept the form of the Church as the form in which I find my truth, because in it truth itself comes to me. Faith is not an indeterminate and never-to-be-understood option; on the contrary, its content, which is stated very concretely in a language that everyone can understand, is inexhaustible. Even though it is by no means incomprehensible or arbitrary, its depths can always be probed more deeply. This distinction between what is inexhaustible and consequently can open new depths and new possibilities to every life and what is indeterminate and can therefore be interpreted as one chooses is one of the things that the admixtures of the present prefer to ignore. Another point is important here. Paul does not say that Tradition is entrusted to the candidate for Baptism, but rather that the candidate is entrusted to Tradition. Tradition does not belong to the candidate as a possession with which he can do as he pleases. Rather, he becomes its possession. As the greater of the two, it is Tradition that forms the candidate, not the candidate who forms Tradition. This fact yields two important insights. First, Christian faith has a definitive content, and this content can be unequivocally stated in our language. Christian faith is not a glittering admixture of Yes and No; its Yes is Yes, and its No is No. It is unequivocal regarding its essential nucleus. It is precisely in that respect that it opposes uniformity and is fruitful, because only what is unequivocal can lead us to the depths of our being, while ambiguity circles forever in the mists. Second, this content of faith is stated in the Church’s Creed, which is the universal form through which faith leads humanity to understanding in all places and all times.” [Joseph Ratzinger, Co-Workers of the Truth: Meditations for Every Day of the Year, ed. Irene Grassl, trans. Mary Frances McCarthy and Lothar Krauth (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1992), 228-229.]
@jonathanstensberg
8 ай бұрын
Misleading title. The statement does not reject FS but rather states that FS is not applicable in the east. This is due to the non-existence in the east of the kind of blessing that is permitted by FS; the only kinds of blessings that exist in the east are those that are explicitly prohibited by FS.
@Wagnersuperior
8 ай бұрын
This is a distinction without a difference. FS does this. A union vs. couple for instance.
@jonathanstensberg
8 ай бұрын
@@Wagnersuperior No, this is a clear distinction with real world consequences. In particular, western Catholics have to decide whether Fiducia Supplicans is right or wrong; eastern Catholics can simply say it's not relevant to them, without being forced to judge the document to be right or wrong on the matter. This is exactly what Ukranian Catholic Church has done: say it doesn't apply without saying whether it would be right or wrong if it did apply.
@theresarezac7502
8 ай бұрын
Hmmm, now thinking of joining the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.
@racheljames7
8 ай бұрын
It's the cowards way out. Don't leave Jesus because of Judas.
@Shlomayo
8 ай бұрын
Far too many people waffling about how supposedly ambiguous the decree is, when it is quite clear. It just seems that some folks want to misinterpret it just as others do with Scared Writ.
@dennissprague2572
8 ай бұрын
I guess I’d be classified as a Protestant Christian, I remember a fundamentalist evangelical Protestant brother once telling me he had more in common with a conservative catholic than a liberal evangelical. I think this news reflects that, perhaps this will unite the church like never before. Striving for scriptural fidelity ought be something that unites the church, I pray it does.
@dontewithdragons
8 ай бұрын
IMO I think in a civil sense, I'm completely fine referring to the Catholic church as a Mother church rooted in ancient and modern Orthodoxy for the sake of unity. Despite any doctrine and belief practices, our church serves as a bridge to Christ despite changes to cultures and science. Like a giant boat that doesn't sink. We're still brothers and sisters in Christ, and we shall know the merits of our churches by the fruit it brings. For lay Protestants, Sacraments adapted to them are still fruitful. Praying directly to God under the Sacrament of Reconciliation with a repentant heart, the Sacrament of Marriage to practice unconditional love as it's practiced in Heaven, Anointing of the Sick, and Confirmation of the Faith to being Christian in the heart. God bless!
@Metanoia000
8 ай бұрын
I’m Catholic and I appreciate this comment. Hopefully we can all be brought together again under one banner someday.
@racheljames7
8 ай бұрын
Protestant denominations allow for divorce and contraception. Thisnis something every Protestant would do well to bare in mind when commenting on this subject.
@georgesaguelton5751
8 ай бұрын
@@racheljames7 Allowing and turning a blind eye have the same result. Protestantism is fractured in external denominations, Catholicism is fractured internally. The Orthodox Church, albeit divided by nationalities, is still doctrinally one. The Orthodox Church is the last bulwark against secular and liberal attacks.
@geordiewishart1683
8 ай бұрын
Not all Protestant denominations allow for divorce In the manner that you are suggesting . I would rather worship with Protestants who allow non fault divorce than worship with any form of papist
@volusian95
8 ай бұрын
Started attending at my local UGCC parish in 2017, and fully decided to stay a couple of years later. I'm now a server. Come on over if possible guys, the water is fine. Actually please do, most of the parishes in my area are old and struggling to survive.
@andriimarchuk9649
8 ай бұрын
I’m in the Ukrainian church and we survive with new waves of immigrants. Somehow children in the west to away from church. I was born in Ukraine but found got(or he found me) during my time West. West need strong apostles fully on fire with Holy Spirit! Be the one in your church!
@lisbethkelly4480
8 ай бұрын
People go to Communion with their arms crossed and get a blessing. People in irregular relationships can get blessings even unions, unless the people openly express that they are leading a sinful life with no intentions to change. This whole thing is ridiculous. My 17 year old son understands this better than me.
@314jph
8 ай бұрын
No, not unions. That would be anathema to the Church's teaching and is not included. Spontaneous, not liturgical, and, yes, it is muddled and troublesome. It was supposed to answer questions, states it is the last word, but all it is doing is sowing confusion.
@lisbethkelly4480
8 ай бұрын
@@314jph it's no different than a priest blessing a group of people designated for a special mission. Just because two people happen to be SSA, doesn't give anyone the right to assume they're in a state of sin. Innocent until proven guilty, eh?
@Azzury.
8 ай бұрын
You think this doesn’t spell the writing on the wall. Per haps you can rear your 17 year old son to spell it out for you.
@takmaps
8 ай бұрын
Trent literally did a Mortal Kombat "Toasty" appearance
@angrypotato_fz
8 ай бұрын
I'd like to hear more about blessings in Eastern Church outside the liturgical rite in general - for example parents blessing their children or saying blessing over your friends. From this letter I'd understand that any blessing offered by a priest is automatically liturgical. In general, I feel like the blessing is too often regarded as a reward and acclamation instead of an aid to achieve something. Similarly for the Holy Communion.
@jackdaw6359
8 ай бұрын
Well Holy Eucharist requires a state of grace and that doesn't make it a reward either.
@29memyselfandi
8 ай бұрын
Starting to really appreciate the Eastern European rejections of all things woke. Not just with regard to religion but also with regard to the sinister moves of the WEF and the Soros funded movements.
@gunsgalore7571
8 ай бұрын
What about the document is woke?
@aanler
8 ай бұрын
@@gunsgalore7571 The part where they're ok with blessing same sex partnerships? 🤔
@gunsgalore7571
8 ай бұрын
@@aanler Well the document is very much not ok with blessing same sex partnerships, though. The document condemns such partnerships. It does allow blessing two gay people, but only as long as they aware that they are sinners and that this is about bringing them closer to God, not validating them. (I read the actual document, BTW, and you should, too, and not just believe what Timothy Gordon told you.) Blessings are not the Eucharist. Anyone can be blessed.
@aanler
8 ай бұрын
@@gunsgalore7571 The document says COUPLE several times. A same sex *couple* isn't just two individuals.
@gunsgalore7571
8 ай бұрын
@@aanler Yes, it says couple. Yes, a same sex couple is two individuals in a relationship. The document makes that clear. If it intended us to bless anything else, it wouldn't have specifically said that the Church cannot bless gay unions. It did specifically say no blessing unions, so couple is the obvious alternative to mean the two individuals in question. If you have a problem with the wording, that's different than asserting the Vatican is pro-gay.
@sistafila
8 ай бұрын
Thanks to the orthodox church for speaking.
@StanleyPinchak
8 ай бұрын
@El-Hartonote the little o-orthodox
@Llyrin
8 ай бұрын
While I disagree with many things Pope Francis has decreed, I agree with this one. I see nothing wrong with blessing the person and admonishing them to lead a good, Christian life. Consider this: when Jesus saved Mary Magdalene from the mob, he told her, “Go, and sin no more.” He was blessing her, not her prostitution.
@HelenAgonafir-jm9xc
8 ай бұрын
Thank God for his faithful and bold servants who are opposing the work of the enemy🙏 many prayers are needed to stop the whole confusion and division 🙏
@gentz8310
8 ай бұрын
Fiducia Supplicans is heresy: 31. Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage.
@AndrewDolder
8 ай бұрын
To say that the pope can teach heresy is in and of itself a heresy and is a Protestant argument against Catholicism.
@altalingua
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for pointing out the problematic paragraph
@ififif2022
8 ай бұрын
It is impossible to do what that document says and be a good catholic.
@Devoted_Catholic777
8 ай бұрын
It’s impossible to bless people with Gods Grace. Buddy just shut your mouth and stop slandering the church, it’s hilarious how uninformed people are. You cannot say the magisterium teaches error period end of discussion you aren’t a faithful son of the church
@ififif2022
8 ай бұрын
@@Devoted_Catholic777 I won't shut my mouth.
@Devoted_Catholic777
8 ай бұрын
@@ififif2022 You should. Shutting your mouth is much better then saying mortally sinful things.
@iliya3110
8 ай бұрын
@@Devoted_Catholic777It’s mortally sinful to violate your conscience. For those who want to serve God over men, he’s correct in saying what he said
@HolyKhaaaaan
8 ай бұрын
@@iliya3110 Not if your conscience is uninformed or poorly formed. This opinion is a garbage opinion. Of course it's possible to ask God to turn our lives and even our relationships towards His Will. In the case of a man and a woman who fornicate, it may be a call on God to marriage, or to make it one of a more distant friendship. The only difference for homosexual practitioners is marriage is not a path. FS says all that, and that really shouldn't be controversial.
@fiddlerontheroof4099
8 ай бұрын
I took my rejection one step further and became Orthodox. ☦️
@nastjavk
8 ай бұрын
Glory to God ☦️♥️
@MikeyJMJ
8 ай бұрын
What doctrine did you reject?
@lindamorgan2678
3 ай бұрын
Bravo ! Thanks so much for sharing and informing us. Came across this by accident and did not know what the title even meant but clicked on it to find out. I have only been to an Eastern Orthodox church, was trying to decide between Ukrainian Catholic also. When I see what the pope is doing in recent years I thought nope I will go find an Orthodox Church and be supportive and faithful to the word, I refuse to be an enabler in this evil woke disgusting nonsense.
@Gohomenow-e2b
8 ай бұрын
Thank God, may need to check them out
@tonytony131
8 ай бұрын
Unless any couple or individual, seeks conversion and repentance any amount of blessings will be useless.
@Bonifatus
8 ай бұрын
Useless for what? Useless to purchase their salvation? Sure. Useless to guide them back to the church and away from sinfulness? Absolutely not. Like the Eucharist, blessings are medicine for the sick, not rewards for saints. Unlike the Eucharist, blessings aren’t a sacrament and so there’s no requirement to be in a state of grace to receive one
@tonytony131
8 ай бұрын
@@Bonifatus useless to receive grace from God to help you overcome sin. Who said conversion and repentance is a state of Grace? You’re missing the point. You have to be humble, and recognize that you’re a sinner to receive God‘s grace and or blessings. Otherwise, you’re just mocking God by saying I want to keep living like a homosexual, but bless me anyway.
@Erwin70000
8 ай бұрын
The Great Falling Away! Man can't bless what God has condemn.
@matthewbateman6487
8 ай бұрын
12/24 (Christmas Eve) through 1/1 (Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God), -- a NOVENA to Our Lady, Undoer of Knots... that God would bring unity, clarity, reconciliation, and prevent schism in our time... Merry Christmas ~
@JosePerez-is6nn
8 ай бұрын
Simple and good... sometimes you can say a whole lot with few words....and I suppose one could say a whole lot of words and really be saying very little ❤ God bless you Matt and everyone in the comments
@user-so3gw3yd3t
8 ай бұрын
Bless Ukraine!!!❤
@brettmccaw5581
8 ай бұрын
Patriarch Sviatoslav just hit a grand slam!!!
@Winston-op5de
8 ай бұрын
The Roman Catholic Church also adheres to paragraph 4. The president Pope is trying to "have his cake and eat it to." Let me quote Pope Benedict XVI: MASS OF POSSESSION OF THE CHAIR OF THE BISHOP OF ROME Saturday, 7 May 2005 “The Pope is not an absolute monarch whose thoughts and desires are law. On the contrary: the Pope's ministry is a guarantee of obedience to Christ and to his Word. He must not proclaim his own ideas, but rather constantly bind himself and the Church to obedience to God's Word, in the face of every attempt to adapt it or water it down, and every form of opportunism.”
@TNFLHT
8 ай бұрын
An Eastern church staying true to Orthodox values. This news seems about a 1000 years old.
@illyrian9976
8 ай бұрын
Except for the fact that Eastern Orthodox allow divorce and the use of contraceptives. Don't let yourself be fooled by the EO into thinking that they don't suffer from arguably worse problems.
@georgesaguelton5751
8 ай бұрын
@@illyrian9976 Using annulment as an alternative to divorce while most Catholics are not following Humanae Vitae. The Roman Catholics should take a look at themselves first before using such arguments against the Eastern Orthodox.
@maireflannigan5087
8 ай бұрын
Good on them. Às a Catholic I never felt as gaslit as in these past two days. Seriously considering Orthodoxy now
@soniavadnjal7553
8 ай бұрын
No, you need to stay and fight for our mother the Church. It belongs to Christ, not the Pope.
@Tomislvo
8 ай бұрын
become eastern catholic instead if you change
@michaelwachira8484
8 ай бұрын
Who said the orthodox church is okay? They've got serious problems worse than us
@curtisjordan9210
8 ай бұрын
Why? Have you even read the document? Is so, what part particularly do you take issue with?
@TsarOrthodoxBro_II
8 ай бұрын
Same. After studying early church history, early church fathers, and early church councils, it's becoming more and more obvious to me that the unchanged Orthodox Catholic Church is the way to go. However, I'm praying for God to give me the go ahead before I jump ships
@samcash6131
8 ай бұрын
I don't have any option but attend the Latin catholic Church. But to all fellow Catholics I urge you to not let anyone drive you away from the Church. This current blasphemy has been coming for a while as Pope Francis has been placing active homosexual clergy in important positions. As a couple of homosexual theologians have already said, this declaration is an important step - that is there is further blasphemy to come. If your parish forced to commit to this directive then hurt them in the collection plate - and do not contribute to the Pope's annual Christmas collection.
@MoJoeRyhsen
8 ай бұрын
Glory to the Lord Jesus Christ.
@3FreesApologetics
8 ай бұрын
Love to my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters. I would not want to be in a position to have to defend or explain this new dogma. Please know the Word of God is infallible, always and forever. Men are not. Prayers from your friendly neighborhood Reformed Arminian 😎
@GoogleUser-wx8mw
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the prayers. The pope has NOT spoken ex cathedra, thus he has NOT issued a new dogma. It is just a pastoral/governing directive priests may use in certain situations. Just another muddying of the waters to test the faithful, but not a dogma.
@gunsgalore7571
8 ай бұрын
This is not a new dogma. It's just a disciplinary practice, but even then, there's nothing in the document that wasn't already in the Church. It condemns any blessings that support or validate the union in question and is as a whole very pro-tradition and against homosexuality. Everyone's just trying to spin it.
@Artorius_Augustine
8 ай бұрын
Men are infallible when they are the Pope declaring ex cathedra matters concerning faith and morals.
@kerry8506
8 ай бұрын
Not a dogma.
@Devoted_Catholic777
8 ай бұрын
@@gunsgalore7571it’s part of the infallible magisterium.
@user-ic1nq2nw5w
8 ай бұрын
I joined the Byzantine Catholic Church over a decade ago and am very gratified to hear this. My priest in the Italo-Greek Church has yet to say anything to the congregation. Maybe he has no intention of mentioning something so vile. I wouldn't blame him but will ask him, anyway. I hope more Catholic priests of both Rites stand up to the Pope and tell him NO.
@xehaexox
8 ай бұрын
“Stand up” to a teaching of the papal magisterium? We are Catholics.
@Set_Your_Handlle
8 ай бұрын
@@xehaexox Remember just how much/little divine authority these documents have, you are not required by canon law to believe one thing or another the pope says unless he makes an explicitly infallible statement
@xehaexox
8 ай бұрын
@@Set_Your_Handlle Who told you that? Because our profession of faith says otherwise: I also firmly accept and hold each and everything definitively proposed by the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals. Moreover, I adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings which either the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act. Why do we have an ordinary magisterium if the only thing we have to believe is the uncommon event of definitive teachings of the Pope?
@caseycardenas1668
8 ай бұрын
@@Set_Your_Handlleyeah that is completely false and if you actually believe that you are a schismatic heretic. According to the church we are to submit to all magisterial teachings and they are binding on the conscience of all faithful. Please remove your comment, your reference to canon law was despicable when it's quite clear you have little to no knowledge regarding canon law and you're certainly not a canon lawyer.
@Set_Your_Handlle
8 ай бұрын
@@caseycardenas1668 "schismatic heretic..." 🤔
@chrisgunn9674
8 ай бұрын
As I understand this, and I read this from a Vatican Press source a couple days ago. It is in no way approving of the lifestyle of a gay couple but is in fact a blessing from the Holy Father, the successor of Peter, appointed by Jesus; that they may grow in holiness, and ultimately towards a conversion to turn from all sin. It obviously does not replace the marriage covenant between a man and woman, nor is it meant to acknowledge it as any sort of marriage. They may not wear any clothing that resembles a bride & groom, or any clothing that may draw attention to conflict with the Church. It is meant to bring these individuals closer to Christ and if that happens, it will change their lifestyle. Look at some of the Saints! Also, How often do we see a Pope walking through a crowd giving the gesture of Blessings to hundreds and thousands of people. Are all of these in a state of grace? That being said, it certainly seems to have fallen in a grey area and the timing seems off for this...But, maybe it is a small step in bringing these people back into full communion with the church that Christ instituted.
@zacmystr
8 ай бұрын
Blessings to the Ukrainian Catholic Church for keeping true to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ. As a Roman Catholic, I am deeply saddened by the direction or current papacy is taking the Bride of Christ. We are lost sheep with no sheepdog to keep us from the prowling wolves. I am so blessed to have two SSPX centres near me, and even more so to have wonderful priests administering to the flock. God bless, and Merry Christmas.
@alexmustango3684
8 ай бұрын
The Vatican for revising doctrine , as I like to express, permitting cremation. My conscience tells me it’s totally wrong…my father’s request to be cremated was sad, countless of his previous ancestors back in Puglia, Italy 🇮🇹 are buried on hallowed ground 😢
@debbie2027
8 ай бұрын
GOOD ! I totally agree
@TheNotoriousCheeto
8 ай бұрын
For those who don't know, what the Latin Church tried to do with that document is say there are two types of "blessing." The first is the traditional version, "Blessed be ___." As in, "this is good and we approve of it." The second type is a blessing for those in need. As in "Oh, you are going on a journey? Well, may God bless your journey and keep you safe." The idea is, if you bless homosexuals, you are asking that God give them the guidance and strength to stop sinning. The problem, which I think the document this video covered hits on, is that it creates major confusion. Because most people are not going to know that. They are going to hear "blessing" and assume it is a priest approving something. And when that something is sinful, it sounds like the Church is approving of sin. I think it is very clear that this move was an attempt to try to appeal to a wider audience and get more people to come to church. And I think it is going to backfire. People who have a problem with the Church's stance on homosexuality are most often atheists, pagans, or already gravitated to a denomination that supports homosexuals. They are not going to be won over by this brand of "diet ally," especially if they find out what the type of blessing they would get actually means. On the other hand, once loyal and faithful Catholics are probably going to wander off. Then again, what do I know. Maybe it will be big in Europe, especially Germany.
@user-jn8nn6bf6v
8 ай бұрын
In addition, the entire notion of a non-liturgical blessing from a PRIEST is innovative! Cardinal Muller said there's no such thing. Fernandez made it up. Priests perform blessings always as ministers of the CHURCH, and so that's all liturgy.
@joeterp5615
8 ай бұрын
Shame on any Catholic who abandons the grace of the sacraments because of this. At each Mass we are present at the Last Supper - with all the angels and all saints in heaven! To give this up because you don’t like the prudential judgement of a certain pope?? Foolhardy! Focus on the Faith fellow Catholics!
@3ggshe11s
8 ай бұрын
Conversely, this is why the Vatican will never stop doing what it does. People complain but then say "I'm not leaving the church." The Vatican doesn't hear the complaint, just the "I'm not leaving the church" part. So they keep on doing what they do without consequence.
@user-jn8nn6bf6v
8 ай бұрын
@@3ggshe11s Membership in the Church is not a bargaining chip. If something is telling you to leave the Church to teach the Vatican a lesson or force it to do the right thing, I can tell you for free, right now, it is the voice of Satan. The church is not just some ordinary organization or club we happen to be a part of: This is Christ's house/ship that he built for us to live in, to take us to heaven. You don't wilfully leave & have things be right for you. Let God be God. If the only way you can affect change is to jeopardize your own soul/salvation, then affecting that change is not your individual calling. Sometimes, learning to be little & wait with prayer on God is all God needs from us.
@hansblitz7770
8 ай бұрын
There's one church like that 65 miles away from me.
@kasilluzions2766
8 ай бұрын
It bothers me greatly how many people have not read the document. The same exact people who said Pope Francis wants to bless homesexual unions in February (who were proven to be very very wrong) are the same people who are trying to say that this is the same move being made here. Even though the document was VERY explicit on what blessing are to be given to those who are involved in a homosexual relationship. They are blessing that can be given to those who desire to CONFORM THEMSELVES TO THE WILL OF GOD and ask for blessing for that purpose. It even goes to mention that people who seem like they are trying to receive blessing for their union CANNOT receive a blessing. Would you deny a man and a woman who live in sexual sin together a blessing that they ask for to help them live in chastity? NO that would be sick and unmerciful. The same applies to those who have homosexual attractions. And that is what is exactly explained in the document. If you read the document line by line, it explains everything, makes it’s definitions VERY clear, if you ask yourself “what does he mean by couple????” IT EXPLAINS WHAT HE MEANS BY COUPLES. In no way shape or form does this document go against Church teaching, it firmly establishes it. I urge you, PLEASE read the document before you let the spirit or fear and anxiety guide your hearts and turn your heads away from the Church.
@ThePianoFortePlayer
8 ай бұрын
The title of the video is misleading, saying that the document doesn’t apply to the Ukrainian Catholic Church is not the same as rejecting it, also there are a number of multi ritual priests, they should be given instruction on how to deal with this if they are serving at a Roman rite parish.
@theresarezac7502
8 ай бұрын
Rewatch the video. The Eastern Catholic Church catechism is very clear about why the new directive is not binding for the Ukranian Greek Catholic Church.
@auk7447
8 ай бұрын
Absolutely. My understanding is that both churches interpret and apply blessing differently but there is cohesion between them that means different applications make sense. It's not a big deal ...
@ThePianoFortePlayer
8 ай бұрын
@axileus9327 rejecting/denying is not the same as saying it’s non applicable, I didn’t even use the word “denying” in my comment.
@lizzystitch4842
8 ай бұрын
I HATE it that politics in the US is so awful, and now the Pope is politically targeting priests and bishops who disagree with him, and now we have to deal with that, too. Cardinal Burke. Bishop Strickland, Fr. Frank Pavone, and others. I HATE it! God help us all. God, please bring unrepentant sinners to Yourself!
@coffeewiththegoose1658
8 ай бұрын
As Catholics, we need to slow down and listen. Don't be so quick to judgement. God is Love
@peaceandjoy2568
8 ай бұрын
God bless the bishops for making this stand. I hope and pray that our own bishops in the Philippines will do the same for the salvation of souls.
@gregorypizarro9403
8 ай бұрын
As someone who goes to the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, I don’t see the issue with the document. Metropolitan Hilarion expressed that the eastern orthodox church holds to the same position that the Catholic Church holds.
@stephenjohnson7915
8 ай бұрын
I’m no fan of the document or this pontificate, but it’s clear the great majority have not read a word of it. You can debate the intention behind it, but the plain words of this document are pretty much the opposite of what the hysterical accusers are saying. I have been very critical of the optics of this thing, but that’s a PR issue, not a doctrinal matter. For goodness sake, the text explicitly says “no” to same-sex unions. This tells me most people simply accept what some social media personality says without question, and can’t be bothered to look into it for themselves.
@flabiger
8 ай бұрын
I think people are desperate for polarization. They don't want nuance and they don't want distinction. They want clearly defined lines of "bad guys" and "good guys". And once a thing or a person is in that camp then it cannot be changed. A "bad guy" remains a "bad guy" even if he does something good ("he is just doing it to pretend he is good and fool me") or if a "good guy" does something bad he still is "good" ("it's just fake news, it's a false accusation").
@robertmaric5228
8 ай бұрын
"the great majority have not read a word of it." And yet there are many learned people on both sides of the issues with different interpretations who did read the document. How is a 'majority' defined? Fifty percent plus one? Truth isn't based on a majority. Those who are not in the 'majority' may certainly have read the document and have serious concerns. It doesn't make their concerns less valid. God bless!
@krishyyfan5153
8 ай бұрын
I Don't even know why People think Pope's blessing issue is Ambiguous... the document is so clear..We bless the person, and not the Sin... The blessing should not be held in such a way that it would contradict the doctrine on marriage... We might as well ACCUSE St. Paul of Heresy ,when he said..."Bless those who persecute you" - Romans 12:14.... When St. Paul said, BLESS those who persecute us, does that mean we are ALSO blessing the Sin of VIOLENCE??... 🤔
@ChuckyLarms
8 ай бұрын
As they should…It’s a shame that the USCCB is filled with cowards
@richardpogoson
8 ай бұрын
Denominationalism unfolding right before our very eyes.
@esterhudson5104
8 ай бұрын
Lol. This has always been going on.
@StanleyPinchak
8 ай бұрын
This is the spirit of the post conciliar church. The fruit do not point to this being the Holy Spirit. “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” (1 Cor 14:33, KJVA)
@WT-Sherman
8 ай бұрын
That’s great and all, but what about the rest of us ! Are we just left dangling in this den of iniquity ?
@MattBurrill
8 ай бұрын
You're free to reject it, too. And then find the nearest Latin Mass. You can bet they won't be performing those blessing at a Latin Mass!
@WT-Sherman
8 ай бұрын
@@MattBurrill Supposedly, none of this is even allowed inside a church. It looks like Fr Jimmy did his deed in his rectory. My Latin Mass priest would turn in his resignation before complying with this lunacy. Archbishop Chaput just wrote an article ripping this nonsense. More US clergy need to speak up.
@amybowman9906
8 ай бұрын
Eastern Orthodox welcomes you and maintains all ancient traditions.
@MattBurrill
8 ай бұрын
@@amybowman9906 Thank you Amy, but no. I've been a Catholic for nearly 14 years. I am not planning on leaving the Church over a bad pope. It is a temptation to be sure. I've never felt that temptation until now. But I'm staying.
@MattBurrill
8 ай бұрын
@@WT-Sherman This may actually be the scandal that brings Francis and his legacy down. People are mad enough. Even some bishops.
@OrthodoxWomanSupportGroup
8 ай бұрын
Come to The Orthodox Church ☦.. The fullness of The Truth, We have kept The Un-changing Tradition, I pray for All of my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters.. 🙏🙏
@OrthodoxWomanSupportGroup
8 ай бұрын
@XtR3m15t We work hard to Save Souls, We could work even-harder.. We have a 2,000 year-Old unchanging Rich Tradition, Orthodoxy in Greek Literally means 'The One True Way'.. And blind obedience to The Pope is not what Christ taught.. In the first thousand years major Theological decisions were conducted through The Collegiate System of Bishops and Ecumenical Councils!! ☦☦Papal infallibility or supremacy never existed.. There was Primacy of The Pope of Rome which is an honoured position of first among equals.. "whoever calls himself universal bishop [the imprecise Latin translation of "Ecumenical Patriarch"], or desires this title, is, by his pride, the precursor to the Antichrist." -St. Gregory The Great, Pope of Rome..
@OrthodoxWomanSupportGroup
8 ай бұрын
@@user-kb4dv1ud3f Well there are certain Criteria required for an Ecumenical Council such as 2/3rds Majority in Voting, To be considered ecumenical it has to be accepted by the whole church, That it was called together legally is also an important factor, etc.. The Council of Jerusalem in 50 A.D. was A Great Council for Determining The Trajectory of The Church and how things would be conducted!!
@samuelmayer421
3 ай бұрын
I'm done with the Roman Church theology and practices. I always had a hard time with them, and Roman Catholicism never made sense to me. I recently looked into Orthodoxy and finally, Christianity makes sense to me now! Then while looking for an Orthodox Church, I discovered that the Eastern Catholic churches are Orthodox in theology and practice but in union with the Pope, so I decided to become Eastern Catholic. The only two eastern churches available in my area are the Melkite Catholic and the Ukranian Catholic. The Melkite doesn't offer a service in English, but the Ukranian Church does, so I started going to the Ukranian Church and I loved it! My first Sunday Liturgy was on Pentecost, last week.
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