It seems like it will be Tony. Kang is clearly wearing an Iron Man-style helmet in this story, and the suit Tony builds is almost identical to the one Kang shows up with.
@Cenzo1130
Жыл бұрын
It would also make sense with the current mcu which seems to be setting up Kang being a descendent of tony.
@pierrea3094
Жыл бұрын
@@Cenzo1130where?
@tommyjarvisstepgrandfather4581
Жыл бұрын
@@Cenzo1130 when?
@Cenzo1130
Жыл бұрын
@@tommyjarvisstepgrandfather4581 with the idea kang controlled the events of everything predating the Loki series. Kang said the avengers were allowed to mess with time, meaning kang needed those events to happen. Tony also specifically prevented his daughter from dying, preserving his lineage, why else would kang want tony to have a daughter? Plus he invented time travel, kangs specialty. The reason why strange only saw one path to beating thanos is because everything had to happen that specific way because kang controlled the timeline. Why have tony have a daughter if he isn’t a descendent
@Praisethesunson
Жыл бұрын
I'll just throw Victor von doom as this kang.
@Joseph_Pines
Жыл бұрын
There's no way it's not Tony. The suit he makes at the end is quite literally a color pallate swapped version of the kang suit. Not to mention he chooses to go by the name Iron Lad which, in another universe, is Nathaniel Richards (Kang). Also the fact he found captain America and one of the hero clones Kang used was cap
@TheRealSpiderMew
Жыл бұрын
Hickman is working really hard to do with 4 issues what he can to set this up. I think this is some good hype for this time loop universe and what could change just from this alone man. I think this is his way of flexing that skill of trying to compress that dude.
@XXMatt0040XX
Жыл бұрын
If Ultimate Kang is The Maker (which I think is the case,) it'll be a masterpiece. The Maker: "If you could do it all again-- if you could truly change things-- if you had the chance... Would you erase me from existence?" Reed Richards: "...Yes." The Maker experiments with reality. He *fundamentally* alters it. He is an Ivory King. He is from beyond. I don't think an Ultimate Nullifier will work on The Maker, because he essentially already doesn't exist. He has a form of quantum immortality. The Ultimate Universe is gone. Miles doesn't remember, because *he was given his new existence by Owen Reese.* He is technically native to to multiverse, not something The Maker had the luxury of. So would a nullifier even recognize him as "existing?" But the branching timelines created when The Maker took off the spider from Peter Parker, he creates *multiple Makers.* Makers that are native to their multiverse, ones that *naturally* exist; even if it's a perversion. But most of all, if it would work on him, The Maker would already be gone. He's going to have a nullifier used on him; it's the Chekov's Gun. Because he's already from a nullified universe, *he is already a null value.* This means *The Maker* is the antithesis of the Eddie Brock, not The Beyonders. I hope, because the story with them recently was *trash,* with a writer *way* overrated.
@mattstyles2498
Жыл бұрын
It's pretty obv its Tony. He made the same suit and helmet just different colord
@theblampanel
Жыл бұрын
god i’m so excited for the reboot! ultimate universe comics got me started when i was 6 years old. i’m 27 now and still in it! this is going to be incredible
@domrocc5363
Жыл бұрын
Tony's Iron Lad armor in his comic is, identical + palette swapped, this kang's outfit. Very likely
@johnwright-b2l
Жыл бұрын
This was an interesting way to reintroduce the ultimate universe in Marvel.
@billyescobar1731
Жыл бұрын
Man I'm not going to lie The moment I saw Howard Stark put his hand on his face in my mind I was like oh man he just realized he killed Tony obviously I could be wrong but that is the first thought I came to my mind
@hisokadajoka6469
Жыл бұрын
Been waiting to say this “TIME FOR A KANG BANG”. 😂
@willsalberg
Ай бұрын
love your recaps. I just haven't found the time to catch up on 20+years of comics I've missed on but your recaps really help. Thank you for what you do!
@lashonnakennybrew4847
Жыл бұрын
I'm going to be honest we need more of your amazing stories about the multiverses Omni versus and Omega Level universes in the Enigma universe
@notareum5923
Жыл бұрын
2:55 kang looks DRIIIIIPPY
@offlineraided
Жыл бұрын
The title alone earned a click
@nightfaro
Жыл бұрын
Idk what you on but you should be always clicking when it says ultimate universe anything.
@THECHAMP1423
Жыл бұрын
Fact
@protalghulnist4126
Жыл бұрын
And that is why clickbait happens
@komebakkyd2656
Жыл бұрын
My brain said Dead ass and I clicked😂
@barryallen871
Жыл бұрын
This is the conclusion. You should start at the beginning.
@wutitdojaylew
Жыл бұрын
I think both are Kang. Remember Howards 3rd option. So the Kang that we see is future Howard fighting against the Maker, however present Howard recognizes his work and uses his new Immortus Machine to break the time cycle. Stopping the maker and freeing him of his fate to constantly fight him. However, he unintentional set Tony on the path to be a better version of Kang, designed to save their world. So to me both were Kang.
@kingdavid8657
11 ай бұрын
9:55 I literally have no knowledge of this story but when I first saw the Kang suit and look I immediately said that has to be Tony Stark.
@garethmcguinness377
29 күн бұрын
Everyone's talkin about Tony, but sleepin on Howard That entrance at 7:23 was biblical
@majinsole8554
Жыл бұрын
“Our meeting left quite an…impression.” Impression. IMPRESSION. I get it. ~_~
@natecward8322
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I love the idea of it being Howard because he becomes the monster he hates. It goes with what we learned in only myself left to conquer on how Kang doesn’t want to become kang but has to anyways.
@steampunkmage9073
Жыл бұрын
With that ending monologue (which I'm guessing was written before unmasking Kang) talking about how Tony was the only good thing he's ever made, it would be all the more tragic if Tony actually became Kang.
@maul_360
Жыл бұрын
Rob, I am so glad I have your channel to watch because I was mostly confused during these entire 4 issues. Hickman's writing makes my brain implode sometimes
@BoogSReviews
Жыл бұрын
I like Hickman’s writing, but this series is far from his best.
@VerveQuest72
8 ай бұрын
Interesting that Illanya /Magik was the one to come up with the idea of splitting up North America. Fits her character and the others. She's probably the most capable as of a combination of coldness and intellect left in that room
@jesserothhammer7378
Жыл бұрын
It's definitely Tony. No doubt. Howard committed to fixing the problem. Even Kang wanted to fix the problem. Only other option is Kang is Captain America. It would make sense. Immovable values and tactical planning. Tony decides Captain America deserves the suit more. Not to mention, little suggests Kang is a villain in this iteration, as opposed to others. Just someone fixing time.
@Jsina89
Жыл бұрын
This is a cool theory! I still think it's Tony but this would be dope
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
Жыл бұрын
Ma, get the camera. Tony Stark’s making heroes fight each other again.
@nickypool415
Жыл бұрын
Hey 👋 wassup! It's been awhile! How's the mustache?
@God_Emperor_Doug
11 ай бұрын
I was under the impression from the suit Tony builds that he is definitely who becomes that Iron Kang variant. Short of the color scheme, his suit is identical to Kang in this story.
@lukepage4562
Жыл бұрын
The maker: Give up captain! Rogers: Do you think this A stands for France?! God I missed this hilarious prick.
@strikermodel
Жыл бұрын
16:03 All you gotta do is look at his mask here and it tells you everything.
@uptowndadeboi7925
Жыл бұрын
This Comic hit Kang levels of confusion ill tell you that much ... Its a good run but then your brain start disintegrating trying to understand WTF going on
@Alexandoas
Жыл бұрын
if you look, aside form a color swap, iron lad's armor and Kang's are the same so, I vote that its tony.
@ethanbrunt7755
Жыл бұрын
Beyond omega level: icon from dc
@TheSilverSurfer_
Жыл бұрын
That Howard stark monologue in the cave was crazy bro was cooking
@KallenScarlet
Жыл бұрын
Its definitely Tony Stark. It's the very first thing I thought when I saw Kang's suit.
@jordanhillas6
8 ай бұрын
“He’s the guy that knows how to rally everyone. Tony and Doom are looking for ultimate Black Bolt”
@GamingwithMahv1
Жыл бұрын
Considering Howards reaction, I'd say, at the very least, it's Tony's body. Is it his mind? Hard to say with Comics.
@jorahtheexplorer3262
Жыл бұрын
Howard's reaction suggests it'd Tony.
@crimsonredkingdom2656
Жыл бұрын
I knew it. I thought Kang could only be between Tony Stark and Howard Stark.
@Theorphan81
Жыл бұрын
Kang looks like he's wearing Lex Luthor power armor. I wonder if that was intentional.
@hanis1991
9 ай бұрын
I was wondering why Howard Stark would be wrapped up by the beauty of his work, then went and rewatched what Rob was saying at 16:03, but was actually, "I was so wrapped up in the good things I was doing-- the work and the BOUNTY that work provided us.." and then went..ahh, that made more sense..
@Wezt334
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s Tony, if you look at the Kang clone army there are no iron men involved, why because Kang wouldn’t want more versions of himself. Howard being Kang feels like a weak plot point because then your arguing a self fulfilling prophecy as opposed to a sins of the father story where Howard realise his choices created a son who he now views as a monster which gives guilt and further guilt by realising you just killed said son
@DavidAmrod
Жыл бұрын
Definitely Tony. There were too many earlier notes to have it be anyone else.
@Azure-Witcher
Жыл бұрын
Howard's Iron Man suit looks clean
@obihan_shinobi
Жыл бұрын
The streaks down Tony's helmet are straight up like Kangs. Js. 🤷🏻♂️
@fan3oy
Жыл бұрын
Look at the new suit for crying out loud. It's clearly Tony😂. It's the exact same design, just different colors.
@ForceTahd
Жыл бұрын
Rob so smooth and good in this video!
@XXMatt0040XX
Жыл бұрын
I think The Maker is Ultimate Kang. Or rather, Ultimate Kang is *a Maker.* Reed Richards: "If you could do it all again-- if you could truly change things-- if you had the chance... Would you erase me from existence?" Reed Richards: "...Yes." The Maker is an existential abomination; something that should not exist. I doubt an Ultimate Nullifier would even work on him, *his universe and multiverse* are gone. Let's be real, an Ultimate Nullifier *will* be used on The Maker. If it worked, the story would not exist. The Nullifier alters reality, it doesn't truly kill someone. But because the OG Ultimate Universe is gone, The Ultimate Nullifier can't truly complete it's function, because The Maker's universe is *already* nullified. Miles doesn't even remember it. The Maker does and does not exist simultaneously; it's like quantum physics. He has *built-in quantum immortality.* The Molecule Man *gave* Miles his existence. He was "born" in the new universe. The Maker was not given such a luxury. The Maker wasn't remade, he was recycled. He is outside of his original universe. He is experimenting with another universe. He is from a time *before this reality.* The Maker is *from beyond.* And you know what that means? He is *linear.* *He* is the true counterpart of Eddie Brock, not the Beyonders. Eddie and The Maker also *must* face off, King in Black ended with that being set up. So how is The Maker Ultimate Kang? In Infinity Ending terms, Ultimate Kang is "inside the norm." The Maker, who is "outside the norm," has no need to fear his own existence being negated, because his point of origin does not exist anymore. Ultimate Kang however, despite being The Maker in every other way, is native to the current reality, meaning Ultimate Kang *can* be nullified. He has a point of origin, the spider being taken off Peter Parker. By killing The Maker, Ultimate Kang paradoxically *insures* his own existence.
@MADBD619
Жыл бұрын
If there’s ANY version or variation of Kang The Conqueror that’s scary, it’d have to be the ULTIMATE version!!!!!!!!
@dcool8752
Жыл бұрын
As we used to say in the Army, Capt. America from the Ultimate universe is Capt. America "Reborn HARD"
@DarianStone11
10 ай бұрын
Howard's letter to Tony reminds me of the lessons Reed was giving to Valyria in New Avengers !!
@wdcain1
Жыл бұрын
13:54 Dr. Doom saying he's sorry is the most OOC thing ever.
@zaptosx4475
2 ай бұрын
This isn't Doom. It's Reed of that universe locked up in the armor. And Reed tends to be more humble than Doom.
@jackieanderson9408
Жыл бұрын
This was good 😊
@jonathan__g
Жыл бұрын
I think it would be more of a twist if it wasn't Tony at this point.
@matthewlaflamme9019
Жыл бұрын
The iron lad thing feels like it sealed the deal.
@rudra7615
Жыл бұрын
“What does this A on my helmet stand for?!”
@Deshea911
Жыл бұрын
Oh it's definitely Tony!
@Geezythegreat88
Жыл бұрын
It’s Johnathan Majors!!!! Lol
@ChristopherLono
Жыл бұрын
Could be fun to see some of the less popular characters getting the ultimate treatment this time around. Using elements from their unused Ultraverse would be even better. Three new 10 or 12 issue maxi series should be enough to showcase an alternate version of the world (when we take a look at divergent Earth X we know what can be accomplished with 30 issues). Maybe by exploring different corners of this universe we’ll get an Ultimate Panther that rebels against Khonshu or a Spider Woman set in Asia, Jericho Drumm in South America, Spectrum/Photon & Quasar/Uranian vs Euroforce etc. Also having the original Nick Fury from 616 show up would be nice (inversion of the concept).
@aelabassi
Жыл бұрын
I like the theory that Tony is Kang the conqueror, I would consider it the best plot in the history of Marvel comics.
@stephensteele1213
Жыл бұрын
We wuz ultimate Kangz n sheit
@jonathannattrass7010
Жыл бұрын
The Austin powers in Rob leaked out . 😂 Yeah Baybee
@AHMAD-LA-
Жыл бұрын
I dare him to fight the Sentry, he’ll get stomped, and I’m talking about base Sentry, Death seed Sentry or Merged Sentry won’t even bother with him
@Diditallforthexp
Жыл бұрын
You could have called it the "kangclusion" of the story. Robert, you have stubbed my soul.
@Jsina89
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's Howard, I think it's Tony trying to fix his past and all the things he did wrong. And you have to look at the armor, definitely more Tony then Howard! And if it's Tony it gives the MCU a new way to bring in the fantastic four.
@Blackstorm99
Жыл бұрын
Suit looks like a blend of Iron Man, Lex Luthor, celestial and Black Panther Armors
@pocto21
Жыл бұрын
ultimate universe is back! i cant wait for this again.
@maxknuckles13
6 ай бұрын
1st one to come to mind when Howard looked down in shame was Tony
@King_Crimsn
Жыл бұрын
Hear me out, what if Kang is Ultimate Cap? Saying that he waited two lives seems kinda specific to something like Cap since obv he's a man out of time. What if at some point He and Tony become comrades and in a conflict with the Maker, Tony dies. In response to the death Cap takes up his armor out of respect and takes revenge on the man who killed his best friend. It's DEFINITELY a reach, but fun to think about.
@strifenineteen
Жыл бұрын
The only issue with that is Howard's reaction when he took off Kang's mask, if it was Steve who he's never met there would be no reaction except maybe confusion
@NeonWafflez707
Жыл бұрын
Two lives could also mean his father’s life and his life.
@yaminnather521
Жыл бұрын
But Captain America is not some tech freak, what would he do with some time travel stuff bto
@christopherharris4903
Жыл бұрын
Hey Rob? I just watched ur Pickle Rick vid. Dude,ur hilarious😂😂😂
@sergioavila877
Жыл бұрын
Freaking Howard, "Howard" you so bad ass..get it
@ShadeNinja2990
Жыл бұрын
“YOU THINK THIS ‘A’ STANDS FOR FRANCE!?”
@Thewatcher4782
Жыл бұрын
Ultimate Kang is Tony!!! The use of the name iron lad the look on Haword Stark when he pulled the mask off it is Tony!
@droppedcombo19
Жыл бұрын
Called it, in the last vid it was tony all along as a twist on iron lad but matured and also not a real kang variant. Hickman is an actual rap god 🕺🏾
@mauriciomartell2433
11 ай бұрын
Tony Stark vs Reed Richard is the truly Vs Movie the world needs
@alejandrogonzalez00
Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for the relaunch of Ultimate Spider-Man by Hickman and everything else coming out after this, this is awesome
@jakebailey5834
Жыл бұрын
I love the look for this Kang
@taylormademyself89
Жыл бұрын
My money is on tony being kang 😅
@shanejayell
Жыл бұрын
Or... he's the Maker, just VERY VERY old and realized he done fucked up.
@JoshWeeks
Жыл бұрын
Huh. I thought it was pretty explicitly saying that Kang was Tony. Didn't even notice it was ambiguous.
@____2080_____
Жыл бұрын
4:05 I totally disagree with that topic. If it weren’t for people like Jonathan Hickman, and to a lesser extent, Al Ewing, I wouldn’t even entertain KZitem videos about comic books. This story is a diamond in the mostly forgettable sludge that is coming out of marvel today (the new hulk, and Thor comics being the other diamonds)
@____2080_____
Жыл бұрын
This worked for the length of story it is
@torrancemoore6152
Жыл бұрын
He is doing pretty well for how short this run is but we'd definitely get a better story if he had time to stretch his legs a bit. You are right about it being a diamond in the rough tho since a lot of what's being put out isn't interesting/ good at all
@anarchond
Жыл бұрын
3:01 its Iron Man! As Iron Lad! But in the Future! (Tony)
@brionmiller1249
Жыл бұрын
I believed its Obadiah stane, the closer the enemy is the harder it is to see them. Who is closer to you than family and friends?
@snowdjagha
Жыл бұрын
Hickman is a world treasure.
@Cyanidesin
Жыл бұрын
I got the message that it was Tony. Howard only cares about his son. Tony being Kang would be the only thing to make him feel.regret. Also, Tony received the immortus engine in the end giving him the power.of Kang. And what name does Tony choose? Iron Lad. The same name 616 Kang chose as a teenager.
@pablohenriquez1984
11 ай бұрын
THIS COMICS WAS SO GOOD, Hickman should work for DC too, write some New Gods stuff
@all9472
Жыл бұрын
The reason i dont like kang is because he feels like a 8 graders who is nothing special bullying 1st grade kids because his advantage is hes from the future and time travel really hard to write well
@dementiagaming8436
Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I accidentally stumbled upon this channel a couple years back
@HolyHadou
Жыл бұрын
My money was on it being Tony but I'm usually wrong about these things so I'd assume I'm wrong here.
@Ybee5
3 ай бұрын
This a prime example of writing what’s fun vs following the mcu.
@masoncole5122
Жыл бұрын
Everything matters! Remember when Reed was going thru and making changes to the world he said hows this world had no Steve Rogers. So they had already took him! Time is soo non linear!
@shaunsutton699
Жыл бұрын
Iron lad ? I guess Kid Iron was already taken.
@himayamata
Жыл бұрын
I do believe Ultimate Invasion is just the start of a trilogy series just like the Ultimate Galactus series
@charlesjohnson536
Жыл бұрын
IN THE WORDS OF THE GREAT POET NAS: 'THERE'S 1 LIFE .. 1 LOVE .. SO THERE CAN ONLY BE 1 KANG' ..
@Shift18
Жыл бұрын
man I'm really into this, I'm so pumped!
@berryNtoast32
Жыл бұрын
I thought it was Tony the moment Howard interjects. Excited to find out who it really is! Also, hell yeah, comrade Howard? 👀
@elijahiverson7710
9 ай бұрын
just finished this reading and im certain Tony is Kang. the suit, kang admiring howard during the battle, and howard feeling shame when he takes kangs mask off
@jorjecruz1282
Жыл бұрын
Gotta go with "Doom". Howard sets Tony on the path to fix everything he couldn't with the help of "Doom" and Tony does a great job of it. After he has the Avengers assembled to build a better future, "Doom" stabs him in the back and uses Tony's progress to setup his rise to become the Conqueror. "Doom" kills Tony while he's off his guard, steals the armor, neutralizes the Avengers, and then clones them to enforce his will. With no Avengers, Tony, Reed, Maker, or Howard to stop him "Doom" rules with an iron fist under the name Kang the Conqueror.
@jacksontodd7248
Жыл бұрын
i thinks it’s kinda obvious that he’s gonna be kang, especially with him saying i’m iron lad man
@fornax4676
10 ай бұрын
I bet it’s Tony but I could understand it being Howard behind the mask.
@literallyeuphoria
Жыл бұрын
I wonder why you changed the thumbnail style. It felt like i havent seen your videos pop up in a long time
@fatalheal
Жыл бұрын
It's a long shot but my guess is this Kang is a cured Ben Grim from the future 😅
@nickypool415
Жыл бұрын
Bruh You didn't read Ultimate Invasion #2. Everyone except reed in the fantastic four is dead. Bruh
@shadesmcf
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking tony being Kang is the way. I mean it could Howard since he would design a suit like that. I was also thinking it could just be doom and howard lamenting over the fact the one of the monsters was literally under his nose and went along with it. Course doom could just be the last boss lol. But it makes sense its tony cause Kang the conquerors identity was always someone from the family and since the suits tied to Howard by design its gotta be Tony. Especially since Tony never got an accurate answer of his father, and how he literally made the iron lad suit. So many dots are connecting but i dont think thats how its gonna go down. For all we know howard could be out there doing what he thinks must be done.
@afkmh2392
Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for it to either get followed up and lead to nothing or not get followed up at all 😂
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