Looks like a great concept! If they get the issues worked out I would probably be interested in one.
@JamieHitt
7 жыл бұрын
Like some engineers say....of Lightweight, Durable, Inexpensive. Pick two. Achieving all three is often a pipe dream. Where to best make sacrifices in order to solve this particular problem is the question. Example: Altering the product without altering price and weight, will likely result in a reduction in overall size. But, these affects can be evenly distributed over the three aspects together, in order to minimize the impact. A little heavier, a little more expensive, and a little smaller. "Little" being the key word/concept here. Cylindrical and spherical designs work best when all pressures and stresses are of equal force and distribution. Be the force internal or external. You should have seen them pulling their hair out designing the Atom Bomb. Lol. Evenly distributing the weight of the fuel load internally would help immensely. Internal rings, supporting a raised grate perhaps. heli400 mentioned corrugation. This, if applied correctly to the proper locations, could greatly strengthen the product. Done incorrectly could greatly weaken it. But the concept has potential to say the least. Also, ...there has to be a better/easier way to assemble and hold this thing together. Good gravy, like Nate said, make the end plates with a deeper lip, for starters. And at that point, just have holes and screws. The compression method appears to be a serious pain in the neck. Again, as Nate said, re-purpose those rods for bonded rigidity. You've hit the $300 mark. At that point, what's $350? The selling point is weight, not price. Just fix it. I mean, you are already assuming I'm willing to part with $300 for this, right? I have the need and desire for this product. What's $50 to keep me from having a horrible experience and returning it. Then I have something I can use properly for years to come.
@CanadianPrepper
7 жыл бұрын
Jamie Hitt I swear man comments like this make me think you are some kind of illuminati shapeshifter. Great point on the price I agree fully. I like the 2 of 3 rule also.
@derekwhite1262
7 жыл бұрын
Bringing thermally dense rocks into the shelter and surrounding the stove helps to regulate the heat. I have this stove and a seek outside 6 person tipi as well. I like the stove better than the tipi.
@CanadianPrepper
7 жыл бұрын
Glad you found something that works, I can't see myself ever relying on it again. Not durable enough, I have since went with a kni-co packer. Heavier but more reliable.
@zukislumber
7 жыл бұрын
CP, I think you nearly nailed the reinforcements. Any welding needed would bump up costs. Perhaps rivets would do the trick, I saw them used on the door. Seems like a promising product if the warping can be properly addressed. Thanks for the insightful review.
@AbBowhunter
6 жыл бұрын
I have the Lite Outdoors 18” cylinder stove I paired with a SeekOutside Cimmaron tipi tent. My stove ended up with a similar buckle/indentation at the hole for the pipe. I have read on other forums that it’s best to burn in this style of stove without the pipe installed the first time. Once you burn in the stove body that way, apparently it should be good to go and should keep its shape. Luckily the indentation that occurred on my stove wasn’t major and it still functions quite well. As you mentioned through, if you don’t correctly adjust the damper and air intake, the stove will get way too hot and you end up having to fill it non-stop. It took me a few tries to figure it out, but now I’m able to get a couple of hours in between adding fuel.
@heli400
7 жыл бұрын
1) folds like corrugated cardboard along the lenght to prevent buckling (but still rollable) and then have the end caps have grooves to fit those folds which will help keep orientation for the feet for repeatable setups. 2) have hollow metal tubes spot welded along the lenght of the cylinder on either side of the hole cutout for the chimney pipe. (still rollable) then feed the clamping rods thru them prior to tightening them. this will help prevent the buckling or sagging.
@CanadianPrepper
7 жыл бұрын
Great suggestions!
@lumberjackoutdoors933
7 жыл бұрын
The problem is the light gauge of the material expanding and contracting so rapidly (heats up quickly when stoked, cools quickly in average Canadian winter) in an uneven fashion. The sections that heat up faster/cool faster while sections are still hot/cold will cause kinking and buckling like this one did. It's unavoidable with so many separate pieces of such a light gauge, and a very drastic atmospheric temperature difference. Picture the bi-metallic strip on a thermostat, that is essentially what the stove is doing.
@TC-cv1dg
7 жыл бұрын
Lumberjack Outdoors problem is itsbumb
@livingsurvival
7 жыл бұрын
The titanium definitely doesn't hold the heat on this one or my Seek Outside. The only real advantage is being able to pack it in without conveyance. It's cool they added the rods although I was able to cook pretty easily on the cables on my 1st Gen. Unless you need the ultra lightweight option I think a canvas wall tent and steel stove is best for deep cold. Great for a BOB though!
@martureomartus8882
7 жыл бұрын
they can put the rods inside the tube, holes in the caps to put rods through, and lock in via butterfly nuts - the foil should be layered and and can also be secured via external rods thus have double thickness but use a thin tin for the external coil to maintain heat - just throwing it out there. thnx 4 the vid CP, your vids are always awesome!
@massachusettsprepper
7 жыл бұрын
It definitely looks like the concept is very good indeed. I would agree that the main body of the stove would need to be made out of a little bit thicker titanium even if it didn't roll up quite as tight. And the grooves on the end plates would definitely have to be thicker to properly accept the edges of the cylinder. I think having pre-attached rods around the stovepipe old with a beefed-up sleeve would also help relieve the buckling issue that were seeing in this video. All in all I think it would make a perfect disposable heater the way it currently is. But could be made so much better and reusable with just a little more forethought and engineering. Thanks for sharing my friend.
@Roarmeister2
4 жыл бұрын
The newest version has spring-loaded tightening rods which means you can't lose nut/bolts and is quicker to assemble. First time set up is always difficult and even though I babied it the first time, there was some minor warping right at the chimney entry, the rest was of it was fine. Warm enough??? I used the baffle system in my regular sized stove (2.5 lbs). Your comments about heat retention /burning must be your personal observations as they don't match mine. When I first started up the stove, the thermometer seemed to only indicate only 350° but after giving it a few more minutes it was up to 900° with the dampers full open. It took another hour to burn down and cool back to 250°. That was only one loading of wood with no stirring of the coals **at all in 2 hours**. That's pretty useful burning IMHO. That compares well with my Kni-co box stove (16 lbs). Each stove has its uses, the box stove for long term winter with a sled and the ti stove for backpacking in cold climates. You can increase any stove's thermal efficiency by putting rocks underneath the stove to absorb excess heat and allow it to reradiate.
@OH8STN
7 жыл бұрын
Hi CP. I realize this is an old video. I came back to find it because I've been doing my own research on wood stoves for the tipi. Watching this video again, I realize lightweight wood stoves don't have to be this complicated. There's so much fiddling required to put that stove together, that in practise it seems like a nogo. It also seems like it can't be assembled with heavy gloves or mittens on. Thanks for the video, and looking forward to showing you what I come up with. Julian
@apr8677
6 жыл бұрын
Set it up properly and it works great for heating a smaller tipi. I use it in a Seek Outside Cimmaron and it will get so warm that you have to open the doors. Burn time is short, but thats obvious with the size of the stove. Use it for fall hunting backpack trips and it makes a huge difference for comfort and drying out gear. I guess if I was pulling a sled a few hundred yards from my SUV, I'd not mind something more robust/heavier, but for actual backcountry use, this works well if you follow the directions.
@dutchcourage7312
7 жыл бұрын
1. Well, if the sheet can't be thicker over the full length due to not being able to roll it up, then it seems fairly logical to use 'strips' (welded ?) of thicker material in various places. The strips thicken the material locally, preventing buckling (or progression of buckles) due to providing stiffness. But as the strips can be placed some distance from each other, the sheet in itself can still be rolled up... (another way to produce something like this is to start with a thicker sheet, and stamp-flatten it out leaving say 1/2 inch thicker strips along the length. The sheet will roll up along the thinner sheet, while the thick sections provide more rigidity; and stamping like this may turn out to be a lot cheaper than welding strips in.) ... 1B Another way if achieving the same it to make folds in the sheets, like 3-5mm V shaped folds, as that would provide rigidity too. Not sure which is easier to achieve and how well either would work. But as far as buckling and progression of these goes, both could help out. Maybe the V folds would work even better than just thicker material, as the folds can likely provide a 'thicker' stiffening ridge without preventing the rolling up at all. 2. From the looks of your assembly process i would indeed suggest deeper grooves for the sheet to fit in the front and back plates, do note, that if the strips or folds in 1 are added this groove would also be a bit wider. One could envision a system where the added thickness/folds of the strips meet up with 'slots' in the groove, this provides extra retention of the sheet (to unroll) during assembly. But it might also provide extra difficulty producing, as the 'strips' and the grooves do have to line up. 3. The ties to keep the sheet in a cone shape looked flimsy and easy to loose, i wonder if a system with 2 ring closures (dang hard to explain what i mean with a ring closure, but if i'm not mistaken you would find those on older camping cook sets, to keep the biggest 2 pans together during transport (the frying pan/lid and just a pot); it's a ring of metal, with a 'hook' on one end and a 'buckle' and 'hinge' on the other, you would hook the buckle' on the 'hook' and press back the 'hinge' to tighten the ring; man i hope this makes sense and sparks an 'ohw he means this thing'). Seeing these are more sturdy, one could even imagine them with 'slots' to slide in the end cap retention rods. Maybe with 2 realised just having 1 of these 'ring closures' could be enough, together with these 'slots' for the endcap rods, it could then be easily stored 'round' the endcaps in their respected bag. 3B. These ring closures could also function as mounting points for extra accoutrements, f/e a metal plate for on the top, to provide a better cooking surface. Or metal (copper?) wafers on the sides to provide better (and longer?) heat dissipation. You would likely need 2 rings though, or use the front panel to provide an additional mounting point. 4. Another way to prevent warping, like you experienced, would be to put the shimneyslot in the back plate (end cap). Yes, you would likely need a 'knee' piece, or a 'sok'. Which could be a bulky item (in case of the knee), or would mean needing extra support for the chimney in case of a 'sok'. But it could be a solution... 5. Yet another way to prevent warping could be to weld (?) in a pre-bend ring around that hole, problem with that though is that the 'bend' radius would have to be the radius of the unfolded sheet, and to roll it up said part would have to be on the end of the roll up, meaning the slit where the sheet would join would have to be close to it as well (basically right next to it), which in turn means that it would have to close really well or it will release smoke). Hope this helps :) ... looks like a cool (hot?) system esp. for the weight !
@JimRodgers
7 жыл бұрын
No matter how big my wood pile is, it always seems that I don't have enough. :) That titanium wood stove looks like a promising product! I'm looking forward to seeing the improvement the manufacture makes.
@richardgracews6
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks I've been looking at these for a while now but feared exactly what you discovered can't wait to see the mark 2. Leaving for West Virginia Saturday morning for 17 days with my Inch bag. Looking forward to catching up when I'm home also looking forward to your tool roll. Have a good one
@anginetted
7 жыл бұрын
ive used barrel stoves for years, the best small stove ive built is a 5 gallon grease drum. its walls are heavy enough to handle the heat. ive tried thin stainless with mixed results. 12 lbs is the lightest ive been able to do. good luck
@toastiesburned9929
3 жыл бұрын
The baffle was in backwards and the door was on the wrong side. In order to use the baffle correctly, you have to put the door on the same side as the flue pipe, then the baffle separates the two and makes the heat travel a further distance.
@gabrielglouw3589
7 жыл бұрын
I think you make a salient point towards the end. The space and weight of that single use item is space that could very well be better used for tools, calories or ammunition. That being said, I can see a group expedition carrying something like this. In that case it would make sense to carry more single use items or luxuries. And the bulk could be distributed over more than one person. Excellent video as always. You are appreciated.
@AtimatikArmy
7 жыл бұрын
I am just watching this for the very first time and I can see exactly how to improve this without adding any cost to manufacture. The tie rods should be along the inside diameter of the "drum" and not the outside like it is now, in order to prevent collapse. The round end plates would have holes along the edges to accept the tire rods and also would perfectly orient their position equally around the diameter of the drum. I don't know if I'm describing exactly what I mean, but hopefully this comes across correctly. Wish I saw this video sooner.
@Schmunzel57
7 жыл бұрын
To the construction: If you want not to increase the thickness of the material (I would) I would chamfer the material (V or even C shape) for the body where now the rods are. In that way, that you can lay the roods in those ribbings and therefore have also a thing less to think about (where to put the rods) while assembling it. - I would make the rods with coil springs under the wing nuts to get a more constant pressure. Maybe only springs at the ends or one end and no nut. -Maybe holes in extended lugs in the back plate where you stick the rods through at the beginning of the assembling; than the whole thing would be easier to assemble. If holes in the back plate, than no springs there, because it gets hotter than the front and the ends of the rods can be mushroomed out or bent over what minimises the fabrication costs. Also, setting it up with springs or nuts at the end that is down during assembly cause the problem of dirt getting on those parts; if there is no nut then there is no potential problem.- I don’t like the cheap rivets on the fittings- I would use real rivets that last much longer.- The legs will need big washers (inside and out) , maybe the outer riveted to the legs so you don’t lose them.- The edges of the material could be rolled in to prevent cutting fingers and make the think stiffer.-I would bend the long sides of the pipe over, nearly close, so they can grab each other. Assembling would be only rolling the pipe closer in than the desired diameter and let it spring open in the fold. To the use: I would fill it partly with Sand, than you have a distribution of the weight and a bigger mass that keeps the temperature more level. - Also for longer and more even burning you can wrap the wood in paper, like old newspapers (OK you would need a lot and it works much better with brown coal than wood) or cover the wood with sand or ashes. You can use wood with bigger diameter for that purpose too.
@Ad-ny4xb
7 жыл бұрын
A second drum with spacer rings to keep an air gap between the exterior and interior drums. Would help with rigidity and also an air gap will help keep the interior temperature from dissipating. But then a heat vent would also be needed to let the heat out where it is needed.
@crazycanuck007
7 жыл бұрын
Hats off to you for making a relatively positive video geared toward constructive criticism working toward improving the product, however, based on the review I will stick with my heavier, reliable, user friendly Kni-co. As you pointed out as a lightweight emergency stove...maybe, however, what else could you spend your money on that would ensure survival vs buying this product? Thanks again for the review.
@scandawarrior
7 жыл бұрын
Crazy Canu
@jonathanbosco8458
7 жыл бұрын
The question, for an emergency such as earth quake no it is not for a hunting fishing cabin for the Maritime Provinces of Canada. Thanks for the video on interesting stove
@archigeist84
7 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for finding these interesting products and testing them! I also liked that german walker thingy(?) you reviewed some time ago. For stoves, there is no substitute for mass, if you want to store the heat. A lightweight like this can simply not store any heat at all. The replacement of heated air by cold outside air should be stopped almost completely to retain heat without the fire going. A very interesting concept though, would love to see the next gen version!
@vincentkeith5259
7 жыл бұрын
Nice job - good feedback. Give the Kifaru box stoves a shot - not perfect but pretty good and pretty light. I've got the small, the medium is about 5 pounds and I'd be curious to know if it would keep you warm in the temps you were talking about.
@KaylynnStrain
7 жыл бұрын
would thicker rods also help and maybe adding an additional rod? would thickening up the bottom and top also help hold the shape and still support the wood load and cooking load?
@markusfinski3715
7 жыл бұрын
I think they should use heat resistant thicker steel body! This currently needs to be at least 1mm thicker and needs plenty (i mean plenty) of groves all round for support in its current form. The sides could be flat (top & bottom sides round). The chimney needs to be closer to the middle or front, so it wont get as hot. I think the length can be shorter too (the groves will do that) How about you put the long thin steel rods that screws apart on the outside - put them in the inside corners for extra support (That`s your cheapest route for better stability) - use heat resistant steel if they are not already. You can also use a small piece of extra steel sheet on inside (just) the bends or on weak points only to give more support. I think a rectangle shape with crisscross rods in the middle, and one each in the sides/corners to screw it tight would be the best option. But if you want to keep the same shape (round) then add plenty of groves (maybe cut out at the top that closes shut) and take the rods outside and put them on the inside. You could make a circular foundation out of the rods that comes apart (the outside sheets would fit around that - the groves in them would help here) You could also put fire/heat resistant materials on the inside to give it more structure support (thin plates - flat or curved depending on what design you go with)
@idratherbeoutdoors3085
7 жыл бұрын
Kifaru has an excellent lightweight backpacking stove too, along with tarps and tipis.
@laurabell7185
7 жыл бұрын
here's an ideal trace to chimney hole or take that piece into a plumbing shop and have them fit a threaded (threads on the outside) 1or 1/2 inch peice of heat resistant pipe to screw into the top to keep it stable. for the problem with keeping to major barrel of coil of metal in place 2 flat pieces of metal screwed together in the center bent up on the ends and in the width of the face. open the up to a X & set face of stove down in & wrap metal (flat ends bent in and out) won't damage barrel and keeps everything in place hands free. these tweks should only add a addition 1/2 ounce to weight. just saying
@Pfletch83
7 жыл бұрын
I've used old steel cans to make a cook stove,small cook pots and cooking lids that are less than three pounds take up a very minimal space and can be more easily set up in an emergency situation. I wouldn't waste my money on this as is though I like the concept.
@OleGuy55
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for videoing your learning experience, that's why we go out there.
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
A glow plug a titainum pipe bent into a coil graphite nano foam filling titainium pipe to conduct heat from glow plug to cause titanium pipe to glow red hot. Thermalelectric generator componat to generate the direct volts needed to keep the glow plug or plugs operating. Use a glow plug stater to heat up glow plug with glow plug then needing 4 volts direct current to stay red hot. If perfected this would be an amazing heating element that could be used in most camping stoves. Way better bug out tools means less trash you half to hual around and hope that its going to work when you need it to the most. ; )
@Sasquatch-Press
7 жыл бұрын
Well done CP. I like the concept however it is way to flimsy in my mind to be of any use to me. I would only be interested in a long term Stove.
@JessieStolar
7 жыл бұрын
Hey I live in Saskatoon to and I have a similar setup. I think the heat is adequate coming from the stove. It's the heat lose from the tent. You need to make that baby air tight. I use a five man arctic military tent but the warm air would escape out the bottom.
@BobYeager
7 жыл бұрын
no need to reinforce the top. Make the cut out for the stove pipe come out the back, solid panel and add an elbow for the pipe. I also agree with the deeper channels in the front and back. I'd also make it so there is no way to over tighten the braces.
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Nintinol foil used to make a stove would be a neat project. A nintinol stove you could bend all up then heat it and it all pops back into place. A really great feature when camping. Nintinol will glow red hot just like titanium so it might be a neat change of materials to produce another light weight stove.
@javiermac5885
4 жыл бұрын
To solve the losing heat problem within 5 min, after fire die down in stove, put a big ass rock under stove. It will soak up the heat and slowly release it after the fire has died down(3-4hr, depending on rock size). You will wake up, when it is going to get cold, instead of waking up freezing your arse off, to put more logs in! :-)
@nordicresilience7449
7 жыл бұрын
My thought is that the rods would do a better job of maintaining the structure of the stove if they were mounted on the inside instead of the outside of the stove. That way they will support the very thin material of the stove in a much better way, and no welding required. I think that if they weld the rods to the exterior skin the welds would get micro fractures pretty fast due to difference in material thicknesses and varying expansion/contraction between the thicker rods and the thin foil (but I know to little about welds and titanium to be sure about that).
@ktkace
7 жыл бұрын
the B chatter NOPE really cracked me up Good
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Its funny yet light wieght metal springs you could stretch around the outside of this stove would aid in its structual support and aid in heating a shelter like how heating elements in a space heater works. Simple yet very effective. ; )
@saimonhotcold102
6 жыл бұрын
Hello! Great video! You must try use stove with massive stones around-they take some heat from stove and not be cold so quckly!
@Rocky1765
7 жыл бұрын
OK, so lets think of a different approach. What if instead of making a rolling body, why not make it a collapsible body? OR would that not be airtight enough?
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Take one of these and design a dakota rocket stove fire pit. Make another hole above the exhaust hole to use has a fuel hopper feed with a lid with the old hole being an air intake that runs outside to draw in fresh air to feed the fire then make another hole adjacent the other holes to run the hot gas exhaust vent underground and outside the shelter. leave about five inches of the titainium above ground stack rocks around the titainium above grond put your oven end cap on over top of combustion chamber to heat everything up and get your drafting going use end cap to cook with or for radiant heat from the glow of the titainium or remove it and place a grill on it to grill up some meat. If it works you should have a cooking and heating system thst will heat the air of the shelter while sending all the toxic air out of the shelter. ; )
@joshlaubach8166
5 жыл бұрын
Glad I saw this I am getting the Seek Outside box stove now.
@korkalba8658
5 жыл бұрын
My buddy got the seek outside box stove and was able to use it 8 times before it worped so bad he couldn't put it together anymore. ... Titanium wont last long.
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Glow plugs start out with using 12 volts then drop down to 4 volts direct current which will make a heating element last a few hours off a power supply. Could even design a thermal electric titanium stove that powered itself ounce started up by a 12 volt power supply. Better bug out products that really work at helping you stay alive. ; )
@minorityofthought1306
7 жыл бұрын
Perhaps nestle the stove on some rocks, and/or add some rocks to the inside to help with heat retention. Not a design change, but a procedural change in its use. :)
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Stoves main structure needs a structure like a bamboo rug made all out of titanium to stop the warping and you would still be able to roll it up. ; )
@JohnMury
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I think you might have the stove set up backwards, if that makes any difference. With the baffle in place, the stove pipe is supposed to be on the same end as the door. I wonder how much difference the recommended configuration would make in the heat output. Maybe enough to avoid the red hot temps? Maybe not? Again, thanks for the review. The long-term durability is my greatest question. I had read some reviews that mention the titanium getting brittle over a few seasons but nothing like the warpage you demonstrated.
@1acroyear1
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, okay. Those reinforcements you mentioned? They wouldn't even have to be welded on. You could rivet on two or three flat rods of steel (would aluminum melt?) and it would add mere ounces and you could _still_ roll it up. Heck you could do it yourself. I mean, the *whole* thing doesn't absolutely *have* to be made of titanium, right?
@johnlord8337
7 жыл бұрын
Nate, I have no connections with this company or its products. Albeit this stove seems not worthy, your thermal camera showed that the stove barrel was making 525F. To use a phrase, ... "how (--) hot do you need your tipi ?" If you have a silnylon (that has NO insulative properties) and is expected to hold all that heat inside the tipi with -5C Canadian winters, ... then the whole situation of over-feeding and warping the stove is unrealistic. I ask that you make a true tarp tipi or tent of the same size, and reuse the device, and you will have a viable hot tenting system. The device should work adequately with a properly-thick insulated fabric shelter. For myself, my DIY tyvek fabric tent or tipi wrap with the near-same volume, I have a small device (Fosters beer can size) mini-fire device that can keep the shelter warm and comfortable keeping shelter at 40+F in lesser temperatures (just fine for me). If I was to make my same glued tyvek-mylar sheeting, with reflective side inside the shelter - this makes a further heat-reflective surface (with higher inside F) at lesser outside F temps. If I was to glue a reflectix double mylar w/ air bubbles house insulation to the tyvek, then I have no problems with any heating device and retention (tropical F in sub-zero F conditions). For me, I don't need/want a tarp fabric or silnylon. Although silnylon tipi (minimal-weight) stuffs into small sack [nice] versus my tyvek being folded/rolled/horseshoed around ruck pack (9x27 feet = 3#). All of mine are variants of any Kochanski supershelter with less hassles, and just as validly warm. No heavy devices and hot tenting for me. I would like the trees growing, not burning inside my shelter, and me using extensive work and calories lumberjack harvesting firewood for a hot tent.
@johnlord8337
7 жыл бұрын
You have those 3 barrel rings that hold the inside portions of the stove barrel. If there are 2 more rings these would be helpful. If the maker modifies the barrel snap rods with snap-click locations "-u-" along their length, this would solve the barrel's instability. Slide the barrel rings along the barrel rods and snap-click into location. The additional 2 barrel rings snap into the rods at the edge of the barrel. "u-----u------u------u--------u."
@CanadianPrepper
7 жыл бұрын
Great suggestions, I've heard good things about Tyvek wrap. Seek outside sells a liner that may help with heat retention. May have try the reflective mylar liner with the tent, that could certainly be a game changer.
@CanadianPrepper
7 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion I still think a lateral welded in rod would offer more support and not impact the rolling, while your last comment is an interesting idea, it may make it harder to roll up.
@johnlord8337
7 жыл бұрын
Need to sit on a chair/stump and construct on ground versus on knees. Use legs to keep the barrel intact, while the hands are free and putting on the additional rods and rings. Different construction technique. Bottom barrel lid, slide barrel panel into groove, THEN attach barrel top to barrel panel. Hold stable with legs. Free handing ... then have "snap on" barrel rods (not wing nut screw ends) onto the barrel lids. Then slide on the remaining 5 barrel rings into their slide-click locations.
@johnlord8337
7 жыл бұрын
Making me more and more sure that I want to carry my multi-purpose 2-3 quart/liter stainless steel pressure cooker/canner. 3#. Can cook atop normal coal fire, ... even have fire inside (no trace stealth, apache fire coal carrier), cook inside or across edges. Steam, boil, dehydrate, wet/dry smoking with water and/or smoke wood, cook, bake, roast, hot air convection with internal rack, cook at any elevation. No issues of titanum buckling ... Can also place between legs for indirect heat and warmth. Also make boiling hot water, seal up and take into shelter for large overnight shelter warmer ... DDDDD
@djpmpdle
7 жыл бұрын
Now that's again gear out in the field testing keep up the great F_____g Work!! Another Wow 5 out of 5 Great Day to All Thanx
@5thhorseman559
7 жыл бұрын
not sure yet if this has been suggested, but perhaps 2 support rings in the inside as well as the two external ones.
@duckgoesquack4514
7 жыл бұрын
when these problems are fixed. i will gladly buy it
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
What some one really needs to do is to sit down and dedign a light wieght shelter with 3D printed aluminum eye beams that fold flat that unfold and form strong eye beams that can swevil lock together to form an inner structure. Then develop a outer stretch cover you slip over the shelter that has been treated with ultra ever dry to repel water yet allows the shelter to breathe. Then. develop a stretch cover that worked like atomic skin heated clothing that you stretched over the shelter before appling the weather proofing stretch cover for cold weather use. With the electrical titainum stove wirelessly powering the heated shelter from its use. Two heating systems are far better then one. ; )
@coreykolenosky5974
5 жыл бұрын
Great Review. I was going to buy one of these to try for backpacking trips in shoulder seasons. I guess I will have to look at Luxe or maybe Seek Outside. Luxe doesn't look like it would be backpacking friendly? Thanks.
@KeillorChristopher
7 жыл бұрын
Recommendation for the manufacturing of a titanium type stove get rid of the concept of a large Hopper make a 8in pipe to a 6 inch or less stove pipe going up the 8-inch pipe would be the length of a human body so you put your kindling and wood in their light like a cigar and it will stay heating all night long or worst case scenario you have to put a couple branches long sticks in the thing but it's a called a long fire stove 224 parts two legs if you want to have links with the thing
@ontariobushcraft536
7 жыл бұрын
So basically what I gathered from that is don't expect the world from lightweight backpacking gear Like this is something that wasn't known......And this stove is ideal for what most people are going to use it for. Ned from accounting going on a hunt in northern SAsk will be cozy.
@EverythingThereIs
7 жыл бұрын
Burning pine in that thing probably didn't help things, either. Good review. As some others have pointed out, your tipi fabric might also not be holding in the heat as well as heavy canvas, causing you to burn it too hot. Thanks for the video.
@sgbradley
7 жыл бұрын
T-5 titaniun has a grain like oak wood, very tough and strong when the grain is in a certian direction. Maybe their supplier can mark the grain direction so it can be cut opposite? An aluminum baffle might be the ticket to holding the heat towards the bottom and will only add about half a pound extra to the weight if its 1100 aluminum 0.125" thick. I have worked for 28 years at CSA on many titanium space approved devices.
@arlenelsiesmith2608
6 жыл бұрын
Holy hell, no stove can last long running red hot, ask any stove maker he will say it is stove abuse. What's this, "a heavier stove delivering more heat or holding heat" thing you talk about, if you want to store some heat, use rocks or a container of water . You are in an un insulated shelter, it is a waste of time to cut enough wood, and have a big enough stove to try to have living room temperature like at home. Firing a stove when you are in your sleeping bag is also a waste of time and energy. The biggest limitation of the stove is that it is no good for cooking. Cooking safely inside is the reason I carry a wood stove. It only takes one pound of wood to cook a meal on the inside stove /chimney I use.
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Those rods need to run along the inside to give the titainium foil support. Design the rods with a large flat head to cover hole in end plate and a washer and wing nut in the back to tighten it up. Then have nintinol springs to go around it that will shrink when heated up that you can place a titanium plate on to boil water cook food or place a wood stove top fan on to circulate heated air around a shelter. ; )
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
A smaller version of this stove using a glow plug and all metal TEG's with spark gaps that generate the frequency needed to cause titanium crystal structures to resonate and glow red hot. like how a graphite crucible will glow red hot from induction heating. Just have a regenerative glow plug stater to get the glow plug glowing then the glow plug pulling only 4 volts direct current to heat up the TEG's to cause it to activate the spark gaps that will generate the frequency needed to cause the titainium to glow red hot or even graphite rods depending on which one would be more easy to use to get the desired effect? That be really be cool to have a light wieght stove you simply heated up a glow plug and the stove took off and became a glowing red hot space heater. Just put a mercury switch and use gallium non toxic to turn it off by tilting over to one side. Could even use it has a heating element for a larger stove. ; )
@watcheronthewall2463
7 жыл бұрын
you really need a little stove called " the great northern camp stove" i have one in my 35 ' motorhome and this winter was cold , but i was toasty warm , weight is maybe 15 pounds they come in two sizes and i use the smaller one 8" dia x 16" long approx, its heavier steel and you can heat it allllll you want, been using it now for 3 years with no problems
@steveholt3089
7 жыл бұрын
Here's my view: If you're packing this stove most likely it's for cold weather camping/survival. which means you already be carry some extra weight in needed supplies...I'd personally carry a stove twice as heavy if it meant one less thing I had to worry about failing at the worst time-murphys law-there's no point in carrying this stove if it starts to fail the minute you light your first fire...I think part of the problem is the materials themselves. titanium is cool,but many people think it's the answer to everything but it sucks when subject to high heat...if he made a stainless version i don't think you'd have the problems you're having at it would be cheaper to boot.. The other problem is how long it takes to assemble/disassemble. i'd take a box stove even if it's slightly bulkier/heavier that's just me.. thank you for the honest review instead of the sugar coated infomercials(reviews) that are so popular
@SilverFireStoves
7 жыл бұрын
Nate: Good, honest review. The packable weight is obviously remarkable, however an appropriate heating tent stove requires mass to radiate heat for any meaningful duration. The combustion design is primitive and the first question any consumer should ask is does the World really need more inefficient, high fuel use, high emission stove designs? We think not. A higher mass, fixed stove design makes more sense for tent application in our opinion, even if required to hump more weight. I notice you did not compromise your wood cutting tools (weight) you carried (smart), so why cut corners with stove selection weights? All stove metal fail over time. Thin gauge metal is going to fail in an unreasonable accelerated time period. You provided an honest perspective of the difficulty of multiple use with this current design. In summary, heating and cooking differ significantly, in regard to duration of burn times. The current stove design appears to be a poor choice for either activity. We have a multi-use (heat, grill, bake, cook, & water tank) clean burning, low fuel use, low emission tent stove under development (with secondary gasification). We would not consider making a dirty burning, disposable, thin gauge stove under any circumstances. Any stove produced in 2017 or moving forward should offer secondary combustion as a stove design standard. Tent stove requires mass for heating since it is not a short duration activity. The appropriate tool should be selected for the appropriate task. Regards, SilverFire Disaster and Recreation Stoves & Cookware
@clintcarpentier2424
7 жыл бұрын
13:00 Oh admit it, CP, you were almost finished, and one of the rods spronged off, you cut yourself trying to save the chimney, which fell to pieces, then a wild foot appeared out of nowhere, and the stove made it's escape by flying out of the tent, followed by a long string of perfectly fluent french.
@CanadianPrepper
7 жыл бұрын
That about sums it up man lol
@brandonboyd5348
7 жыл бұрын
Does titanium release any "gasses" when heated, like other metals? Some are fairly toxic iirc.
@Schmunzel57
7 жыл бұрын
No
@oldman5250
7 жыл бұрын
What do you think about rocket stoves? A friend of mine has a 20' by 20' military camouflage tent. He is having one made out of an rv profane tank.
@pochtronvirelune25
3 жыл бұрын
really usefull review thanks for you honesty did you try with the baffle? do you think that he cant change?
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Nintinol springs forged in a loose coil configeration that can be stretched around the outside that will shrink when the titainum heats up that will also allow air passing over heated sping coils with Nintinol metal flat rings inside that will become ridged when heated to give the stove a inner structure that would still allow you to roll up the stove from how nintinol functions. Could even use nintinol on the parts you use for the exhaust flute. A nintinol thermal electric generator would be neat to design to operate off a titianum stove like this one. why burn wood or other fuels when you can use refined crystal structures to generate heat and electricity? ; )
@sproteau
7 жыл бұрын
good honest review. great job. you gave constructive criticism.
@jmyersv1
7 жыл бұрын
I'm starting to realize, almost everything would be better made out of Titanium. Only real disadvantage is the high energy cost to refine the stuff but I think we can get around it.
@Nugrat1
7 жыл бұрын
2 reinforcing rods from end to end and double the thickness around the opening and it should be much much stronger without much extra weight or work. Cost will go up slightly, but it would be worth it.
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Just need to design all metal thermal electric generators that power the heat plug elements with a gallium switch that acts like a murcry switch to turn the stove off ounce the little heat monster has been blazing by tilting it over on its end to stop the feed of electrical current to the heating elements. Then just design a sturdy Titanium griddle to place over the stove to heat water cook food and to place a wood stove top fan to circulate heated air around the shelter. Could even design a hot gas stirling engine that had a hose attachment that connected to a air flow system that you could place inside a jacket or pants or boots to dry them out quickly. Lots of cools well hot ideas. ; )
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
I wonder if a bug out exoskeleton could be constructed from regular old bits and bobs found in any public store with metal muscles for quick movements that made you look like a transformer from the movies? That would be so very cool to design one of those. LOL
@andrew_841
7 жыл бұрын
first time I opened up youtube all day and it says you uploaded this 49 seconds ago haha
@arlenelsiesmith2608
7 жыл бұрын
It is a waste of time and energy to try to heat the air in an shelter with no insulation. Keeping a fire all night is even dumber. A tiny fire in a tin can stove with a chimney inside a shelter cost $10 if you make it your self. It will cook a meal as good as a gas stove, dry your socks burning about 1lb of sticks. The reason a backpacker needs to carry a stove is to cook his food inside, out of the wind. He can not do that with this stove shown above or a gas stove.
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
This stove needs to be designed to be surrounded by rocks so the rocks can absorb the heat being generated by the stove or even to cover it with earth to heat the floor of the shelter. Better to make a wood stove out of another metal and leave all the venting flutes titanium to lighten the load of the stove that can be rolled up and stored inside the wood stove. Be neat to have a alcohol burner with rolled up carbon felt inside the burner for a longer burn time to use in the wood stove for an alternative way to use the stove. ; )
@dannybockius2255
2 жыл бұрын
I like that you abused the stove, replaced the body, then abused it again
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Ultimate bug out tool a hot gas stirling engine designed out of titanium and high heat super conductor ceramic with a nintinol graphite graphene thermal electrical generator. The pistons movement generates the frequency needed to cause the graphite to heat up red hot that translates into the titanium causing radiant heat with the TEG passing current through high heat super conductor ceramic to boost the electrical frequency that can then wirelessly transmit that energy. With high heat magnetic bearings for quite operation and to control vibration of the stirling hot gas engine. Crazy ideas! 😵😁
@BraceFor
7 жыл бұрын
I see lot frustration with this item. Back to the drawing board! WJ from MD
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
An engineer would see that those rods used to hold it together that have been placed on the outside would give the structure more support if placed on the inside. Two titanium lids with unrolled titainium thin metal with the lids used has the ends with the rods being ran on the inside to give it a more stronger structure six rods that attach the end caps should fix it. ; )
@Imagineitwrite123
7 жыл бұрын
if u want to c a even more sketchy cylinder stove. check out Kifaru's. u can set it up faster even with gloves in the cold. its designed for that in mind... but. its so flimsy. mine buckled right away also... the Stainless or Titanium BOX Stoves r the way to go.
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
How about a 12 volt powered titainum heat stove? A titanium tube with a 12 volt glow plug sealed in one end with the tube filled with gallium with the tube sealed and bent into a coil placed inside a titainum pankcake which you can place on top of stacked rocks that will absorb the heat and also give you a surface for boiling water and cooking food? Even a heating cylinder you can place on a pole stuck in the ground could be designed out of this technology with a built it thermal electric generator that would be able to power other heaters or stove or charge up batteries. Crazy ideas to create better bug out products that really work.
@randyyeager
7 жыл бұрын
what about a coil of stainless steel rods....coiled around the inside...screw together in quarter round sections....would help with the warping and wouldn't add a crazy amount of weight....plus being stainless...it would retain some of the heat...which would result in less fuel used over time...
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Long glow plugs each with a thermal electrical generator to keep each one red hot to make this stove glow red hot. It would be really messed up for it not to want to shut off. Awe just give it a wack! Naw just design it with a tilt switch using gallium that will be a kill switch for the glow plugs. Just tilt the stove over and sit it on its face and it will shut down. After glow plug cool down a glow plug starter would be needed to turn the stove on again. Design the stove to only need one glow plug to be started for the whole stove to turn on from how the thermal electric generators are designed bto function. ; )
@davinja
7 жыл бұрын
What do you know about the Seek Outside Titanium Wood Stove? Can you test it?
@rbtreadwell
7 жыл бұрын
Davin Jackson s
@Roarmeister2
4 жыл бұрын
There is a new titanium box stove on the market. It's a bit heavier (7.9 lbs) than ti foil stoves but looks interesting. It is heavily reinforced on the top and bottom so if the crinkles in foil stove are your nemesis then they are eliminated with this stove. Pomoly takes features from the 3W, Winnerwell and other box stoves but puts it into a folding package and uses a ti foil chimney instead of a sectional steel chimney. Its also price competitive to some of those other stoves. As usual, Ti is so damned expensive.
@tammystewart5245
7 жыл бұрын
At least you had another downed tree close by. Close enough you could get to it in the dark.
@seoulkidd1
6 жыл бұрын
Better customer service
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
A nintinol graphite thermal electric generator used with high heat super conductor ceramics with spark gaps to produce high frequency electricity to make thick heating elements glow red hot. Add wireless charging technology to stoves contruction to charge devices or power devices. Designed to start up with a small amount of biomass burned to get the thermal electrical system up and running. Way better bug out products!! Work smarter not harder! : ; )
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Wow arrow heads that are at ultra low temperatures could be developed even a five foot ice saber. Be cool to have a fire and ice set of sabers. Bug out Apocalypse products to really keep you alive! LOL
@garvincentcia5873
7 жыл бұрын
double or triple the length of the main oven rap use a flange inn the inside to line the holes second or third wrap chimney holes should be made into a rectangle shape for fitting the chimney and flu and using a flange inside the main tube canecting the chimney ,, try to make it like a coil spring using some thing to compress the size for packing . permanent place the straps that are wound around the main structure to hold the proper diameter put garments or shackle holes to titan and lose the main tube to hold it together as on unite so it dose not pop open and hurt or cut some one . chimmy may work right all ready .. doubling or tripling the main rap may stay hot longer yet I would put rocks in side the oven heater so if it dose die early wial sleping the rocks will hold heat for several hours .
@lumberjackoutdoors933
7 жыл бұрын
If the titanium was of a heavy enough gauge for this to be an effective stove it would start to become too heavy, and also likely climb out of the average "Joe's" budget, IMHO there is no such thing as a backpacking stove, truck, motorcycle sure - and then bring a good one. But if I'm huffing it on foot in a real "bug-out" situation, no way I'm packing a wood stove, regardless of season - that's a luxury. That being said, this looks like it would make a good pull sled rig, or potentially it's own "backpack" (picture the small blue bear barrel/harness combo) if the material was of heavier gauge, and the body was the container for the legs and stove pipe sections. The pipe should be separated into equal length sections, crimped on one end and rolled/formed like a section of round galvanized duct/venting. The problem is that there is no way you can really make this an effective product for real cold temperatures without adding significant cost because it requires in some amount more material, and very likely more manufacturing time. I made a wood stove out of a 20lb propane tank, and a few sections of round galv dryer vent (I burnt off the galv before use). Cost about $30 and works better than all that tinfoil. (Make yourself a good hat out of it haha.) Great video though, interesting concept for a stove but looks fairly ineffective for the way you and I burn lol! Thanks for testing and sharing with us!
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
They should incorporate heating elements that has a thermal electric generator to produce the energy needed to make it glow red hot. Much better then having to burn something in the stove.A exuast flute you stick all the way down and seat it down on the bottom plate with a hole cut into it would be better then putting all the weight on the metal just by popping the exhaust flute in the top hole. You know roll it into a pipe and have a round cut out at the bottom of the pipe? Could even have a small rolled up piece with a lip you push up from the inside of the stove that sits on the bottom of the stove with the lip giving support with the exhaust flute fitting inside that piece with a wire ring to push down over it to hold the two pieces together? why not keep the stoves basic construction has is make it electrical and design a thicker piece of titanium you place over the stove to boil water and to cook food with like a little unfolding table? ; )
@daisy8284
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review👍🏼
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Crazy idea on the other end of the Elemental spectrum. Aluminum scandium gallium alloy in a copper coil with a 12 volt glow plug retrofitted to generate low frequency instead of high frequency to cause the new alloy to generate low temperatures from the low. frequency vibration of the new alloy's crystal structures. A refrigeration air conditioning system that starts off a 12 volt power supply then drops to 4 or less direct volts ounce low temperatures have been reached? Crazy mad scientist yet what if it all worked? Huge game changing technology yes?
@ShumaiAxeman
7 жыл бұрын
There should be little bits sticking out from either the back plate or the front plate that the screws would thread into, that way you're not having to fiddle with it so much to get them on. Honestly it like the idea but I'd rather have something that was thicker panels that basically built into a box or triangle kind of thing instead of a roll of foil.
@ShumaiAxeman
7 жыл бұрын
Hell make it six or eight rectangular panels that form a hexagonal cylinder or octagonal cylinder.
@indigodragon7129
7 жыл бұрын
Could design the end caps to slip into the inner metal [ shape on the inside of the stove that will give it more strength.
@paulbland5625
7 жыл бұрын
I'd be a bit dubious about the ends opening up with a full blown fire going on inside. If having to keep the tension down on the main barrel rods to reduce the warping effect. Looks a bit scary, specially as an indoor unit. My impression, too flimsy. As you say 3lb An extra 1/2 lb of reinforcing would not go astray.
@MrWesleymoon
5 жыл бұрын
You should add some rocks to the fire to drastically extend heat over time
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