I think 40 pounds is really pushing the limits of the Arc Haul. I thought my Arc Haul was going to break at Philmont two years ago. And, indeed, the stays kept popping out and the sternum strap finally broke.
@JustinOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
@@Mike___Kilo Unfortunate it busted on you! I do know Zpacks is one of those companies constantly iterating on their packs and the current Arc Haul is quite different than some previous generations.
@Mike___Kilo
Жыл бұрын
I have the original Arc Haul. One of the other advisors had a newer model and didn't have the same problems I had. Still, I think we were both pushing the platform past its limits.@@JustinOutdoors
@mariusengelsen7194
Жыл бұрын
What matters is the total weight of your pack. Scientific, and practical, test have shown that the last pounds is what takes the most energy to carry. Let me explain: Going from 20kg to 15kg will have a great impact. Going from 15kg to 10kg will also help, but not as much. Going from 10kg to 5kg is even less noticable. In other words: if your pack is reasonably light, it is light enough.
@christianb8228
Жыл бұрын
And it depends on fitness level and determination
@KCIsMe
Жыл бұрын
@@christianb8228 yup and also your own body weight. If you're a fit 50 kg person carrying 20kg is much harder than if you're a fit 100 kg person.
@christianb8228
Жыл бұрын
@@KCIsMe yeah, exactly.
@jeffreycarman2185
11 ай бұрын
I can say, even before I was thinking about weight I cannot think of a time where I carried 15 kg on a backpacking trip, that’s including food and water.
@davidshirley6850
Жыл бұрын
The sheer amount of your content is impressive but the fact the quality is always great makes it that much more impressive
@TheNewGreenIsBlue
11 ай бұрын
Hey Justin... although I know the US market is MUCH larger, it would be GREAT if you also added some stuff from MEC to your comparisons. We don't have as many options like REI and it would be great to see MEC equivalents.
@Merlmabase
Жыл бұрын
I come for the gear tips, I stay for the smile on pretend-sleeping Justin's face
@billb5732
Жыл бұрын
Agreed that it is hard to not pick the BRS-3000t. You can carry a spare and they would still be lighter than any other stove.
@gregvanpaassen
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, until you factor in the extra gas canisters you have to carry because of the high fuel consumption. Sooner or later, everyone ends up with the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe. Take a shortcut and go straight there.
@billb5732
Жыл бұрын
@@gregvanpaassen Except for the part that it isn't true. Mostly urban legend. Or trail legend. Or something. They are similar; sometimes BRS wins, sometimes PRD.
@TheNewGreenIsBlue
11 ай бұрын
@@gregvanpaassen Or even better, the stove it was based on, the Soto Windmaster.
@markswishereatsstuff2500
Жыл бұрын
I do ultralight items so I can bring luxury items like the Chair Zero, Fillo Pillow, hot sauce, etc.
@arghyamukherjee9748
Жыл бұрын
Comparing a 3 person tent to a 1 person tent for comfort vs ultralight is a strange one. If you are picking for comfort for 1 individual going backpacking why would you pick a 3 person tent ? Unless youare trying to justify dropping $600 on the Plex solo. This is pretty misleading. You can get any luxury 2P tent like the Osmo or Durston x mid or the many options tarptent offers without dropping $700 for the Telos. Am i missing something? Is there another factor that went into that comparison?
@habituallinestepper8839
Жыл бұрын
For me it’s ultra comfort. I’m too old not too be comfortable 😁
@stefank4959
Жыл бұрын
The Telos is by far (!) the most comfortable and best designed tent I have ever used. Worth every penny spending and pound carrying! Loving this tent, feel save at each and every condition. Banger!
@browsman2328
Жыл бұрын
Strangely enough I use my MSR Windburner mostly on day hikes along the coast and mountains of Northern California where it always seems to be windy. I love it for that application when weight is not as critical. One time I used it in a steady 30 mph wind with gusts even higher when my friend couldn’t keep his Jetboil lit. The only problem I had was lighting it because my Bic kept blowing out so now I use one of those cheap arc lighter things, works like a charm. BTW I bought the Windburner for $130 on sale at REI last year.
@DrofJustice
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. My hike is mine alone … I want the lightest gear I can afford for stuff that isn’t essential for sleep - so I hammock whenever I can, and never forget my chair zero. I love the camping more than the hiking, so making the pack light makes the trip better … for my hike.
@neemancallender9092
Жыл бұрын
Take out the ultra out of the equation Don’t create dichotomies It is not either or Just have light and comfortable Cost will be dramatically reduced And the weight differential will not be so great
@marriedguydoingstuff247
Жыл бұрын
I buy ultralight so I can bring MORE stuff to be more COMFORTABLE. 🙃
@jimbojones6169
Жыл бұрын
Ounces turn to pounds and pounds turn into pain. My Infantry days well behind me. Very weight conscious now!
@Adventures_with_Sog
Жыл бұрын
Comfort and durability beats over priced lightweight crap that only lasts five minutes any day!
@MixMeister5000
Жыл бұрын
Simple, ultralight comfort😅 In all seriousness, the Durston xmid 2 is a great roomy 2p UL affordable tent.
@kpj5
Жыл бұрын
I was waiting to see a Durston comment 😂
@thewoundedcrow7846
Жыл бұрын
Went to a wind burner from a pr2 this year, its worth the weight. Especially fir 2 people. Windburner can also hold a small fuel can with the stove & lighter. I ditched the plastic cup and dorky kegs it comes with.
@gcvrsa
Жыл бұрын
These questions are really just moot for most people, because spending $400+ on a pack or $600+ on a tent is just not realistic for most people, and a complete ripoff. These things are made out of *plastic* that costs pennies to produce. A $10 woven poly tarp or two with a decent bug net for $50-60 is going to give you a lot more comfort than that $600 DCF tent and not weigh much more. Backpacking is not a competitive sport, it is a pastime.
@martinerhard8447
Жыл бұрын
Eh no. Those UL tents are very expensive to make. Even the materials used are very expensive. The tent market is very competitive and if it was possible to make it ultra cheap someone would sell it. But even on aliexpress the best budget options are stuff like the lanshan tents A poly tarp with a bugnet will also not give you more comfort.
@WandersomeintheWild
Жыл бұрын
I backpack for only one night & under 10 miles so I just use whatever I have. UL would matter more to me if I was doing multiple nights and longer distances ... and/or had $$$
@Im_With_Stupid
Жыл бұрын
I like to get my weight down as much as I reasonably can, but I'm not going to pour a bunch of money into things to save a couple grams here and there or buy things that are super fragile just because they weigh less. I use a Granite Gear Crown2 backpack most of the time, a nylon tent and a down bag. These things cut a substantial amount of weight and are worth the money, but other than that I just don't pack much I don't actually need and the pack weight is whatever it is, which is light without being anally light.
@Away.Aweigh.A.Way.
Жыл бұрын
I’ve landed at a happy middle ground with my base weight sitting around 13-14 lbs. I could pair it down a bit if I had to but most of the heavier stuff in my pack has to do with my sleep system and frankly, a good night’s sleep in the backcountry, especially on multi day trips, is worth the 2-3 lbs of additional weight over a setup that would cause me to toss and turn all night. Nothing will make your pack feel heavier than bad sleep.
@TheWtfnonamez
Жыл бұрын
The BRS stove is godly. Personally I am a fan of my Swedish Trangia cook set, and on a long bushcraft camp I would take that. But the BRS stove is so tiny you could wear it around you neck if you had the right container. It also uses very little fuel. The trick is to use a lid, put it out of the wind or use a foil shield, and you just traded away pounds of weight for a teeny tiny stove that rocks. I stick mine in a little hair wax tin with a spare lighter. It is legend. Just note that it is fragile and unstable for pots
@totoroben
Жыл бұрын
For water boiling the Soto windmaster with heat fin 1L pot is both windproof and lightweight. I would only consider the msr if I was planning on using its frying pan since this cook system has the best heat distribution for real cooking in the field.
@jefflibbey
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Justin! This video is very timely. I just got off the Skyline Trail in Jasper and had terrible sleeps on my current pillow. I'm going to try out the Exped since my complaint was my current one isn't thick enough.
@dgmckim
Жыл бұрын
I think it's important to note that the advertised weight limit for the Flash 55 is 30lb. While many people do pack it with more, it's not guaranteed to perform or ride comfortably past its weight limit
@martinerhard8447
Жыл бұрын
Justin. Try to get a silky gomatro and wrap the handle with paracord for a UL saw option. Also play a bit around with thermoplastic. You know the stuff you can form into all kinds of shape after you heat it to 70°C or more. I carry some in form of a tentstake (durable like nylon when cold) and its very nice to repair all kinds of stuff with
@Karen-dq8nw
Жыл бұрын
I choose the Windburner totally over a non wind-proof stove. I often boil for others because their stoves will take at least 3 times as long if not more, when the weather is poor. I also like the comfort of having a hot drink while my food is rehydrating in the pot. You also said your entire cook setup was only 3 ounces, but that's not accurate. I get the choice, but the weight has to be compared fairly.
@JustinOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
Pot - 62g, stove - 25g, pot lifter - 3g
@Andy-Mesa
Жыл бұрын
I put my neck gaiter around my DreamSleeper like you showed and then attach a length of shock cord inside the neck gaiter that goes around my pad with a cord lock. Then you can use the shock cord for other things; I use it to tie things to my pack when I'm hiking.
@mendyviola
Жыл бұрын
I bike camp with a cargo trailer. For me it’s size/volume more than weight. I personally prioritize comfort.
@McCaff62
Жыл бұрын
I always use my BRS stove with a compact windshield that doubles as a aid to stop the pot tipping off as they do, wouldn't swap the BRS for any other stove out there.
@Mike___Kilo
Жыл бұрын
Comfort is king. Of course, there's always a balance to strike.
@valdius85
Жыл бұрын
That 3P tent with two sleeping matts inside looks like a 2P tent. I wished manufacturers used their tents and they call it according to the usage.
@daniel_503
Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for you to pick the flash 55 over the arc haul and I was going to lose it. Lol. The arc haul is the best pack on the market right now and I don’t think it’s even a contest. The only reason NOT to go for the arc haul is price but if you’re buying dyneema tents… just do it. Your wife might be annoyed but it’s worth it.
@janefreeman995
Жыл бұрын
Comfort has a whole different meaning when I have 3 decades on you and am female. Going as light as I can means longevity in backpacking.
@gcvrsa
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't use the BRS3000T or the MSR Windburner. I think the ideal stove is the SOTO Amicus, so that's what I use.
@stirlingslingerland4547
Жыл бұрын
The BRS is super inefficient and uses around 40% more gas then other stoves.
@JustinOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
@stirling It's not. Check out gear skeptic
@kpj5
Жыл бұрын
I said the same.. Amicus is my goto as well!
@pithon3d477
11 ай бұрын
Ive tried a number of packs. My favorite is still the Decathlon Trek 100 70 litre, and it costs a lot less than many others and for me does a better job.
@edwin8808
Жыл бұрын
Great! Justin_indoors is back with another video!
@charlesperry1051
Жыл бұрын
I started with an REI Flash 65 and hiked Philmont with it in 2010. Philmont rules mean you carry a little heavy and 50 lbs was just too much for that pack. I then moved on to a Osprey Aether 70. I used it at Philmont in 2013 and 2016. It is a little heavier but carries weight very well. I don't mind a little extra weight in the pack if it means I can carry loads better.
@chrismoore600
Жыл бұрын
Great review but for me it comes down to cost. I like to go light weight but can't justify the cost.
@benjamintryon813
Жыл бұрын
not all UL stuff is expensive. like the Nitecore headlamp and the BRS stove are super light, and cheaper than the heavier mainstream alternatives. When it comes to the big 4 however, it's usually more expensive but not outrageously more.
@jays7318
Жыл бұрын
Those are two very expensive tents, A middle ground tent like the silpoly Durston X-mid makes more sense for a lot of people
@JustinOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
For sure. The X-Mid and Lunar Solo are great options.
@jays7318
Жыл бұрын
@JustinOutdoors Not so much the Lunar. The ceiling at its head and foot end is too low.
@fidele1066
Жыл бұрын
The only problem with your comments is that you don’t mention the weight of the gear. It seems that your sponsors are asking you to not mention those informations.
@JustinOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
The weight is shown for pretty much every item. I just don't say it every time. The information is in the video though. This video isn't sponsored in any way. And why would anyone care if the weight of a piece of gear is shared or not? It's easy enough information to get.
@iChefTheImpossible
Жыл бұрын
I got what I can afford. And since I only have 1-3 maybe 3 or 4 days out, I got a heavy load
@edwardfrak6618
Жыл бұрын
Nice gear and video.
@Direct19681
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think any of us sacrifice just to save a gram. I think we sacrifice to save a few pounds.
@coachhannah2403
Жыл бұрын
My motto: Ounces not grams. Ounces add up to pounds faster than grams add up to ounces. A one ounce stove WITH a backup (I've had one break) with pots and great insulation is WAY lighter than the jet boil system!
@HamishMackenzie7
Жыл бұрын
Just get a Soto
@Direct19681
Жыл бұрын
@@coachhannah2403 that’s right… I was quoting Justin from the beginning of his video.
@coachhannah2403
Жыл бұрын
@@HamishMackenzie7 - Never heard of it. I have what I have.
@chrishiking8818
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree, always like to make my pack lighter but not to the extreme. I think the more you hiking and do adventures you learn yourself what you need , but you change with the years.
@maryblakley3590
Жыл бұрын
I lean towards comfort, at least when it comes to sleep! I'm a bigger gal and if I want to enjoy backpacking, well that means a good place to rest!
@jamesking4225
Жыл бұрын
My arc haul is the most comfortable pack I’ve ever had lol I don’t see how it’s not a comfort pack
@32Belownature
11 ай бұрын
Here's a 3 person tent only enough room for 2 wide pads mmm makes sense
@derekhand7904
Жыл бұрын
I always land in the middle 14lbs base weight it’s works for me
@Richard-rk1ru
Жыл бұрын
Pack wizard seems cool. But they need to expand their gear library at least ten fold. I couldn't find anything in there. And without the seach function it offers nothing over LighterPack
@JustinOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
I think you'd find the Gear Closet tool useful! It's a button on the left side. Any gear you enter in the gear closet is shown when autocompleting an item when adding it to a gear list. The gear closet is also searchable. I've personally found the gear closet and autofill system easier and quicker than the Lighterpack system. The goal is to constantly be adding to the gear library. Are there are specific brands you'd like to see?
@KrizAkoni
Жыл бұрын
That Rovyvon is interesting…
@sorus888
Жыл бұрын
I starting to build my first pack for fastpack I try to keep a good compromise between ultralight and comfort
@timreimer1286
Жыл бұрын
I’m tired of the discussion ultralite or comfort I take a different approach. When planning a trip my goal is not to exceed 10kg for a one nighter. That includes everything. 11kg for a 2 nighter. This way i pick and choose what gear i want comfort or light as long as i stay within my duration day limit. This makes backpacking so much more enjoyable then this constant effort to safe a gram or two.
@kpj5
Жыл бұрын
Brs stove is not as Safe as a soto amicus or as reliable and almost similar size
@katlw136
Жыл бұрын
Justin! As an UL newbie in the research phase, your videos have been so helpful. I'm a small woman, so I have to go fairly UL purely based on size and comfort in the trail, but I won't cut corners for sleep comfort especially. This is the first time I heard you recommend the REI Helix pad over the Thermarest. I have 2 Qs: 1) If you had compared the Helix to the Thermarest wide would you have still said the Helix is more comfortable? 2) The Helix is polyester. Isn't is less durable/more likely to get punctured than the nylon Thermarest? Thank you!
@JustinOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
Hey! 1) Helix is in a different league than the Xlite when it comes to comfort. The Xlite blows the Helix away when it comes to weight though. You have to decide if you want 3x the comfort or 2x less weight. 2) The Xlite is likely more durably, but punctures is probably one of the least common forms of pad failure. Where most pads fail is at the weld points. I think both pads (Thermarest has a much longer good track record) have this dialed in with these pads though. The Helix has been my go-to for the last year and I probably have close to 50 nights on it.
@katlw136
Жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors Awesome! I'll cut weight in other areas. Gotta go with comfort in the sleep dept. Thanks Justin!
@jeffpeters5347
Жыл бұрын
Justin - Have you ever had any experience with the Thermarest Topo Luxe? Is it just as uncomfortable as the rest of the Thermaest products?
@benjamintryon813
Жыл бұрын
Lighter is better, most of the time. There's always going to be sacrifices when it comes to gear. But as long as you are comfortable and having fun, that's all that matters.
@dakotaescher1
Жыл бұрын
Hiking the Big 3 Trails etc, lightweight is the way to go. Short backpacking trips? Comfort. It's not really rocket science.
@trailgoodsco
Жыл бұрын
I see a Readywise Pro Meal in there :)
@kevinburroughs6583
Жыл бұрын
Price is a huge factor when getting gear
@Learningthetruth7
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@JustinOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
No, thank YOU!
@Learningthetruth7
Жыл бұрын
How do you keep your headlamp from accidentally turning on? I gave up on rechargeables and went back to removable batteries.
@mrtru1te
Жыл бұрын
There's almost always a way to lock the lamps so that they won't turn on accidentally.
@jays7318
Жыл бұрын
I too use headlamps with removable batteries. I use lithium rechargeable AA batteries. I particularly like the Nitecore HA11, which operates on just one AA battery
@CampSaw
Жыл бұрын
The REI Flash 55 was a terrible pack for me, it did not carry my gear well, and did not hold the same gear I can get in a 44L Gregory pack. It’s uncomfortable and ripped first trip out. Epic fail, too cheap. Return!
@TWENNY3
Жыл бұрын
Here's a question for everyone, do you think using ultralight gear over a long period makes you weaker? For example if you get used to taking a load out of less than 5kg, when it comes to a say 12kg load out will you struggle. Just curious to everyones thoughts.
@Im_With_Stupid
Жыл бұрын
If you've never carried a heavier load than ultralight, ultralight will make you stronger. If you did carry a substantially heavier load previously and don't do any strength training to prevent the loss of muscle mass, of course you'll become weaker, but it's a slow process so unless it goes on for a long time a trip or two in your old heavy gear is usually enough to get your muscles retuned to carry it without struggling.
@Word187
Жыл бұрын
First!
@WeekendsOutsideFL
Жыл бұрын
Now you have to make a video of yourself digging to China 🇨🇳
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