What do you think of Ulysses' argument against cultural appropriation in the last holodisk?
@lonewanderer1328
4 жыл бұрын
Ah yeah, I didn’t just hear it in your vid, but I remember it clearly. I think it upsets him that they blatantly copy the twisted hairs hair style instead of recognizing the importance it is to him and the mark the twisted hairs didn’t get a chance to leave. They copy it as a way to honor him instead of the culture he comes from. Standing for something that’s got purpose means a lot to Ulysses to the point that he’ll call you, the Courier, a hypocrite if you have freeside reputation higher than the other factions (which the game treats as independent vegas) if you tell him that you do believe in fighting for something. I think Ulysses sees only things already established as things worth fighting for. To provide an example of this, let’s look at the legion. We know that everyone is the result of their past and that Ulysses’s time in the Legion showed him what it means to be part of a bigger whole and the unity it brought to tribes they conquered before his time and he personally had a hand in such as with the White Legs. Been a while since I did a legion run, but he does mention if I’m not mistaken, as though he was there, that there was a point in time that the legion almost starved to death yet survived and was stronger for it. The bonds the individual soldiers must’ve made while facing that and other struggles made the legion’s willingness to become a force of legend through sheer desire to made stronger than most of their enemies. Now let’s look at the divide before the Courier came by and left the package. Ulysses stopped working for the legion because he understood that it would kill itself from internal conflict after everything else that could stand against it fell, NCR being that final thing. Ulysses then saw another already established place, a faction/group of people striving for the same goal and took a liking to it, enough to join. It was a thriving community from the way he tells it. It was thriving until you ruined it. A new culture, a group of people, a cult if you will, that had a better head on it’s shoulders than the greedy bear or blood thirsty bull wiped off the map before it had a chance to fulfill it’s potential. Ulysses then takes up the mantle of avenger for the divide, the manifestation of the spirit of it in a way. He let on arrogant dick wad destroy his first home, that he claims meant nothing to him but the white legs copying his hair style without respecting the culture it means was enough to make him just let the White Legs fall to any fate they’ve got in store for them (which is being wiped out by a courier who understands that the White Legs would’ve kept hunting the Dead Horses and the Sorrows from the orders of Caesar) and he won’t let another one do the same. Going back to him calling you a hypocrite, if you support independent vegas and want to turn the people into something new itself the idea is soo new to him that he outright rejects the idea of you having something you believe in. And then you go on to explain that you indeed want to make something new and better than the ncr and legion offers... which is enough for him to see that you do aren’t a “petulant god” but a human that knows leaving something for those who’ll come after you is important and that you want to make something that will fulfill that role. A creation of a new culture, something you shaped and fought for with your own *past* actions. A better way of honoring something you destroyed by accident than killing off it’s final member or destroying the graveyard of the culture’s home outright as the legion AND ncr have constantly done.
@TheCynic
4 жыл бұрын
I dont think its so much about cultural appropriation as it is about how he didnt like the white legs mimicking his people in an attempt to gain favour. In other words, i dont think he would care so much if he saw somebody wearing braids because it was a style they liked or thought was clever, but if somebody takes this part of his tribes identity in an attempt to lazily win favour with him or the legion then he gets insulted
@sergioruiz733
4 жыл бұрын
I think its more symbolism of what the Legion does when tribes become assimilated. They become a mockery of what they used to be, the physical and decorative aspects of the culture remain, however the meaning behind it is lost. I always interpreted his anger not just at the White Legs, but at the realization that this is what the Legion does to all those it consumes.
@nashmishah6064
3 жыл бұрын
i don't really think it's cultural appropriation, and i don't think Ulysses sees it as such too. what ulysses sees is that his tribe is reborn in white legs. whether it's a punishment on him, or if to show how history repeats itself i can't really say. he does see that they are doing it to gain his favour, it's just that it stroke the wrong chord. to him it meant more than just hair braids, there's meaning to each twist and turn in the hair. but the white does not see it as such, they just see it as imitation of their "warlord". i think the better word for it is "cultural insensitivity". the white legs did not claim that it's their hairstyle, they just copy it to imitate their warlord and maybe gain his favor.
@robertsmalls2293
3 жыл бұрын
That’s not what his argument amounts too. It’s more about their reasons for mimicking him.
@TheCynic
4 жыл бұрын
what a load of bear and bull
@masonlowman3528
Жыл бұрын
It's complete bullstrip
@chu-do
11 ай бұрын
un-bear-a-bull experience to be sure
@sergioruiz733
4 жыл бұрын
Its certainly interesting seeing Ulysses through the recordings sees the symbols of the past and their weaknesses in thr present and yet, recognizes how the present civilizations lack any care or traditions to build a vision upon. The White Legs are moulded slaves of the Legion with no discernable skills or culture, they serve the Legion because they feel its important, they try to honour Ulysses' dead tribe because they have no culture of their own, they raid and pillage and have no history worth remembering and no future worth saving. Yet he also recognizes the flaws of emulating the past. The New Canaanites had medicine, food, trade and civilization, but were unprepared for the modern world, they relied on the worship of God and that Mormonism would see them through the post- apocalyptic world they inhabited, trying to grow, yet hold their traditions close to themselves, then you have the Legion and NCR emulating the past with offering amenities and security, but in the end its just recreating the past for comfort and control, not creating, but relying on what we know, without following the familiar trail that is left in its wake. I liked these tapes, because it made me understand Ulysses perspective better, he has witnessed the horrors of history being buried and lost by its future replacements which has less then admirable or free foundations that are worth investing in. My home country went through several revolutions in which one government replaced another and it went back and forth that its no wonder you would be apathetic, you are tied between what one side has to offer, over who has the strength to rule and you are left confused, disillusioned and apathetic, because in the end history is a viscious cycle.
@redlantern6669
Жыл бұрын
animal farm
@AdamGilbert5530
2 ай бұрын
That’s a really well thought out and nuanced response. I agree. I’m torn between two takes on Ulysses. There’s no denying he’s quite intelligent and wise, but my first playthrough was trying to make the best and most moral decisions overall, so knowing that Ulysses worked with the legion to destroy tribes was disheartening, and I felt that he had no right to lecture the courier about inadvertently causing what happened in the divide.
@dickdickerson3173
5 ай бұрын
Hearing ulysess talk about the white legs wearing braids is exactly how bethesda making fallout feels.
@sooz6092
3 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly, especially after the godawful TVshow
@breddie_is_rookie
Ай бұрын
Really. The moment when it hits to our goddamn heads that the fate of BoS is set from the first game itself, and 2 made BoS a sitcom joke. The franchise which was once associated with nuanced organic politics devolved to a shameful shill. I am fucking salty about this matter
@KiiBon
7 күн бұрын
Man I can't escape "Bethesda bad" comments even in games not made by them
@JohnBluemon
8 ай бұрын
This has so many different layers. It feels like deciphering a religious text.
@duffinthemuffin5792
Жыл бұрын
Reminders for a man that does not need them
@michalnowacki1489
4 жыл бұрын
Just finished my first playthrough a few days ago, found all holotapes but one, excellent timing on this vid
@lonewanderer1328
4 жыл бұрын
I hope you enjoyed it an consider getting TTW if you've got a pc :)
@michalnowacki1489
4 жыл бұрын
@@lonewanderer1328 considering I can't run NV on max settings, I think I might just play FO3 separately
@lonewanderer1328
4 жыл бұрын
Michal Nowacki lol, neither can I. I srsly highly recommend looking at the ttw website and joining the discord to ask the actual makers questions about TTW’s minimum specs, they know a lot about fallout nv and fallout 3
@lonewanderer1328
4 жыл бұрын
Michal Nowacki btw, if you’ve got a better cpu than my shitty amd one from 2014, you’d be alright
@nashmishah6064
4 жыл бұрын
just in case nobody knows, TTW seems to be Tales of Two Wastelands, a seamless way to play fallout 3 and new vegas. i've never tried it before.
@pug1062
Жыл бұрын
Why do I find it's like it therapy
@PapitoQinn
Жыл бұрын
It's the voice.
@nashmishah6064
3 жыл бұрын
hey why does the Think Tank direct Ulysses to The Divide when asked about America's voice? Is the nuke America's voice?
@PapitoQinn
3 жыл бұрын
Hm, that's a hell of a commentary if it is.
@ingavarh
2 жыл бұрын
Americas voice is just another manner of which to say americas will
@kitosjek9541
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed it was.
@Tumbledweeb
Жыл бұрын
@@kitosjek9541 Are you certain of that? Cause that presupposes that the Think Tank were aware of a top secret arsenal of nuclear weapons stored underground. Isn't it more likely that they share the same belief about the Divide as, what appears to be, the general consensus around the Mojave? That there's nothing there?
@amymoore6734
6 ай бұрын
America's voice is a symbolic phrase, remember he's a tribal, it's not much different from the "invisible fire" term he uses for radiation. America's voice is the nukes, the silos of the divide. Ulysses is a much more emotional and his heart is larger than any of his actions or the road he'd walked would lead you to believe. He saved Christine, not for his own gain mind you, nothing pricewise or material wise would makeup for the time and care it would take to nurse her back to health, which he heroically and effortlessly does. He has lived a life of horrible pain, suffering, and bad deeds. The peace he finds at the end of his road is sickly sweet, but he is concent none the less. The heart of the divide, the community, That is America's true voice. He is a man of conviction and truly believes what he's doing is leading to the Greater good. Narcissistic tendies or an ego of sorts is most definitely a problem throughout his life, but he knows better than anyone, the affect someone can have, one can have; intentionally or not. This conviction drives him to the mission of metaphorically, euphemistically, and literally cutting the bears throat(it will die, Both the bear and bull) Just the fact you can talk him out of it. Discovering the Divide enlightened him, and then he watched it.. incinerated and torn apart via the silos beneath the ground and the faulty weather machine. I like to believe that the marked men are only NCR and Legion soldiers, everyone in the divide died peacefully(in contrast to the hell the marked men live and face, their hearts kept pumping by the hatred and ignorance that caused the destruction in the first place) equivalent exchange as well as karma is at play in Courier 6 and Ulysses story. I hope this gives some insight (my view is unbiased and from several years of contemplating everything we're told ❤)
@viktorsilva4017
8 ай бұрын
I swear man, the DLC's are far better than vanilla New Vegas
@kitosjek9541
17 күн бұрын
That last tape is just perfect to describe the fallout tv show.
@KiiBon
7 күн бұрын
Ulysses' dreads are awesome. The TV Show is awesome. I see what you mean
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