That's my new ZV-E10 camera. Got it finally set up! Also make sure you stick around for the NYC private game discussion starting at 16:10.
@brianfloyd2279
Жыл бұрын
Those home games in LA u spoke of sound atrocious...reminds me of some road games Doyle Brunson wrote about in his book! He not only had to worry about the lw busting games but also crooked games and robbers. I've been a big part of home games, I've helped run games but mostly dealt in them. U learn quick who to trust and who not to trust. It often sucked that the weakest players with big rolls always played in the worse locales...making u wonder why they went there and didn't come to our games that were ran honest. Also, nothing messes up a home game more than having people on the books. If Mike owes 500 to our game he won't come next week because he'll have to pay that before he play (usually), so he ends up going across town to play because he don't owe them, making u lose players. Sucks. Best thing is to run it with no credit. Plus the house man that allows folks on the books has to cover the losses out of his pocket. Nice video on this one. Thanks for the great videos! Can't speak for the camera...I can't tell a difference between what's good and what's bad! 😂
@NittyNick
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the spoilers ,
@crushedscouter9522
Жыл бұрын
Did he say the villain is a pro? Who 4bet j8, got everything he wanted then just folded? This sounds weird.
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
Too many holes in this story... Does not hold any water.
@Fred-rg5vw
15 күн бұрын
I concur. The caller was a bs artist . Nfi why but hand didn't make any sense . Wouldn't villian raise turn ? And to fold river looks weird too for a supposed pro. Smells.like a dude trying to.make himself look.good.
@nihaladvani3332
Жыл бұрын
Fun hand - thanks for having me, Bart!
@Stockhandle123
Жыл бұрын
What a stupid fold. If I was the villain, this is how this would’ve went down: you make the bet and before your chips are in I’ve already flicked in one chip and said call.
@Stockhandle123
Жыл бұрын
I am going to be in Long Island city this weekend. I would love to play in the game like this.
@Unhingedanduninformed
Жыл бұрын
@@Stockhandle123 bro you’re so cool.
@joshmullins4849
Жыл бұрын
The tree would get chopped down in this game.
@Stockhandle123
Жыл бұрын
@@joshmullins4849 lol Also this isn’t an underbluffed line at all. When you down bet or check back flop after a 3 or 4 bet pre it is one of the most overbluffed lines
@nihaladvani3332
Жыл бұрын
Some clarification on what the "rock" is. The rock is basically a randomized straddle. It's generally put into the first pot of the first shuffle. The winner of the first pot gets the "rock". The Rock is worth whatever amount the house/floor deems it to be - usually 10, 15, 20, 25 etc. The player that has the rock must put it out when they are either UTG, or on the BTN and it is treated as if a player was actually straddling to that amount. When the rock is in play, the winner of the hand will collect the pot and the rock as well and now must use it for their UTG or BTN straddle.
@cardead316
Жыл бұрын
Good explanation. I have played in private/underground NYC games myself that utilized the rock. I’m actually surprised not many people in other areas of the country have never heard of the rock before.
@Tomatolover120
Жыл бұрын
So on a hand when the rock is in play, can a different player still straddle? What would happen if the player with the rock is UTG and button wants to straddle, and vice versa?
@cardead316
Жыл бұрын
@@Tomatolover120 the rock has first precedence(UTG or button) when it comes to straddles
@nihaladvani3332
Жыл бұрын
Correct. Rock must be used first, players can restraddle/double straddle after the rock if they like, but the rock supersedes any optional straddle
@SoulfightPoker
Жыл бұрын
how do you 4bet J8s then fold 2pair lmao this villain is truly balanced by randomness
@chrisko6439
Жыл бұрын
for sure!
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
Something smells in this story. And V is a pro!?!? 😜🤣🐗🐔
@StreetSoulLover
Жыл бұрын
How villain doesn't snap with his exact hand is an absolute mystery to me!
@JasonG123
Жыл бұрын
right? in my opinion, if you got backdoor hearted then so be it. 2 pair is going to beat most things here .Wonder what villain thought hero had before he showed, had to think he had hearts I guess
@ilovebrandnewcarpets
Жыл бұрын
I wrote a very similar comment. I can't imagine folding AJ here, much less jacks up. The flop was checked. "Hero" can have any two.
@montezuma6962
Жыл бұрын
Was there ever a doubt the caller is going to bluff someone off a hand? I love the callers that you know will win the hand, in dramatic fashion, within the first 60 seconds of the call.
@icems61
Жыл бұрын
Some people just need to flex. NY home gaym :)
@Gos1234567
Жыл бұрын
oh FFS shut up
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
😂
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
2:15 The rock we're talking about is not part of what we're going to talk about. The rock is part of the game that we're not going to talk about! Long live the rock!!
@whimsical_ninja
Жыл бұрын
This game sounds wild. Caller's rationale sounds spot on all the way through. I started the hand thinking I would probably fold the weakest suited Aces to the cold 4bet, but after the reveal I see why the caller wouldn't do that in this game! Cracking call/discussion.
@sog1272
Жыл бұрын
Good comments from chat. All in on river with this play. Villian would have thought about it less. Hero extra polarized with not going all in and threw Villan off. When I do this, 90% of the time I get looked up
@Unhingedanduninformed
Жыл бұрын
I would surmise that it’s easier to call with J8because of the situation you mentioned about blocking sets and adjusting towards the end. If he has aces with Ace of hearts that would skew the hero towards having more of the sets and two pairs on the board.
@Gos1234567
Жыл бұрын
nah better to have Ah,blocks a ton of flushes.88 may not always 3bet pre
@john9560
Жыл бұрын
@@Gos1234567 Having the Ah blocks the most obvious bluff tho,which is having the Ah high card.
@TheGambitBandit
Жыл бұрын
It's not consistent with theory to bet queens on this board. Solvers protect their checking range with pairs immediately below top pair.
@daithi1966
Жыл бұрын
He 4-bet with J8s? That is wild.
@DavePuntz
Жыл бұрын
How does villain not raise the turn on a two flush draw heavy board. KX never folding to raise there. Please bring fish to my local game please and thank you
@DreamOfDyer
Жыл бұрын
Bart dropping "sus" is great
@douglasavenell702
Жыл бұрын
You might wanna reevaluate that guy being a pro
@robertfrent9191
Жыл бұрын
What were the live tells? (When they fold you win)??
@chriskoshinski
Жыл бұрын
The problem with NYC home games is its 10% rake ALL the way up
@ClementeDesigns
Жыл бұрын
How can you fold this in a home game where j8 is part of the general 4betting range. Would never fold
@daniels9775
Жыл бұрын
Apples and Watermelons, but I played in a game in east bay (SF) where there were 2-3 [uniformed] dealers playing at my table the whole time...they tended to be VERY splashy and pushing around the $1/$2 table, then they always tipped like $12/hand. I don't want to bad mouth the place because it may have only happened that night when they were struggling to keep 2 tables going, but it didn't feel "right" to me at the time.
@chadgridlock
Жыл бұрын
Bartenders over tip bartenders, dealers over tip dealers. Probably nothing, but stay frosty.
@jacobbirkenfeld9261
Жыл бұрын
Has anyone done the math on how many bb/100 you need to be beating the game for to break even per 1$ of rake. It would be interesting to see an educated breakdown of it for 1/2, 2/5 and 5/10.
@dan22482
Жыл бұрын
I’ll take a stab... assuming 25 hands per hour, each player’s share of the rake is $2.77 per hour per dollar of rake taken each hand ($1 times 25 hands divided by 9 players). From there you have to make some assumptions on the average pot size to get more detailed. Assuming it’s $5 max rake and the average pot is raked $3, each player’s share is $8.31 an hour (2.77x3). So you’d have to win roughly 1.5bb an hour at 2/5 or 4bb an hour at 1/2 JUST to break even from the rake.
@dan22482
Жыл бұрын
Also you can multiply the bb/hour by 4 to get the required bb/100 win rate (again assuming 25 hands an hour).
@jacobbirkenfeld9261
Жыл бұрын
TY, I’ve tried to do this a few times in my head but I needed to see it written out to see the right formula for it. You the man.
@ticenits1926
Жыл бұрын
The bluff was great, but it seems to me villain checked back the flop for pot control. I do not think leading the turn is going to get him off of anything ever, and this bluff is so played specific It's pretty high risk. I like it, just make sure you know your opponent can fold.
@Badbentham
Жыл бұрын
That was pretty much the dynamic of the hand : Villain was a (over-) thinking and exploitative ( against the general field) player, leveling himself by not expecting a significant amount of bluffs. - As Hero really "has to" understand the risk that Villain is supposed to call down quite lightly, after his flop check. 😉 .
@aleenator
Жыл бұрын
I think in some places the rock is also called a free straddle button or free straddle puck
@CrushlivePoker
Жыл бұрын
Puck? This isnt Canada, bro
@stephpom5373
Жыл бұрын
You can tell a fish when they act sooo cool about getting their bluff through
@Gos1234567
Жыл бұрын
WTf??? so a pro would get all excited?
@stephpom5373
Жыл бұрын
@@Gos1234567 any good player with two pair in that spot is calling. Caller got duper delight like he made some incredible bluff
@VishD76
Жыл бұрын
@@stephpom5373 expect on the call with Bart when the villian claimed 2 pair, he was expecting the call to put him out of his misery. The bluff shouldn't have worked against 2P and he wasn't trying to get that to fold..
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
So, what are _two most important secrets_ ?
@pokerstar2926
Жыл бұрын
Watching this has made me wonder if there isnt something to the idea of a game format where multiple pros collaborate and make joint decisions on hands. Put 3 groups of pros side by side by side, and watch as they play heads up against the same hand/runout. See which team makes the better decisions in the long term, and whether their frequency of correct calls makes them more profitable than the other teams of pros vs a pro that just plays individually
@handlebarname
Жыл бұрын
Have had that same thought. Would be awesome!
@likemostthings
Жыл бұрын
poker genius just learning about the rock just goes to show that you're nevr too old to learn :)
@TheBroLounge
Жыл бұрын
Was playing a 5/5 plo game yesterday and there was five $2 chips taped together, was that the rock? Winner of the last pot has it each time I have no idea how this works lmao.
@jklimtsc
Жыл бұрын
Is it a crazy question to ask why the villain is 4 betting with J8?
@DashOfSalt84
Жыл бұрын
I'm in NYC and I've played at some of these private games. I do it for fun, but since I have a car I'm much happier playing 2/5 at Parx or Wind Creek(he forgot this one, a little closer than Parx and only like $15 in tolls vs $30+ for Parx). I honestly just don't have the bankroll to handle the swings. As the caller said, these games play huge, there's no way to play with just 1k or less without massive variance and just shoving pre a lot of the time. Still, a surprisingly robust scene for games that rake $20+/hand.
@wxx3
Жыл бұрын
I agree. Really liked Wind Creek, less than 2 hours from ny or the Bronx. More average players.
@sQuaTsiFieD
Жыл бұрын
Harry is this the game in Manhattan that advertises on Google Maps? I played a few times and it was amazing even with the rake.
@joshuakennedy8094
Жыл бұрын
@@sQuaTsiFieD someone advertises on Google maps and it doesn't get busted by the police or robbed? That's wild
@dansam42
Жыл бұрын
I live in NYC & would love to play but the rake and security concerns have kept me out. I can't imagine walking out of some random apartment building in Brooklyn at 3 AM with $10K cash in my pocket....
@PhilP8980
Жыл бұрын
There's a lot of them upstate now, but AC is probably still closer. I know they have one in Amsterdam which is about 3 hours from the city.Turning Stone is about 5 hours from the city, their poker room isn't terrible.
@Dylan-vm4gl
Жыл бұрын
Bart loved this guy! Haha
@ilovebrandnewcarpets
Жыл бұрын
What am I missing here? Why on god's green earth would BTN fold J8 in this game (based on how Hero described it)?? Snap call. Fist pump.
@amirpishvai5353
Жыл бұрын
Why even call this hand? It's a stupid bluff that got rewarded because other player is stupid too, to think it was a good move???
@davew4262
Жыл бұрын
Shouldn't villain bet or check-raise the turn if he's worried about the flush or any other holding of the hero? He does have a strong hand there, even for a rock.
@sunking1504
Жыл бұрын
There's games all over the city and Long Island.Where thirty years behind NJ and CT with no real casinos
@justjackpots1179
Жыл бұрын
Who wants to play 1/2 in nyc? Lmk
@UtzChips2009
Жыл бұрын
I think Hero made a huge mistake by showing the bluff to the whole table. "Good fold....I turned a flush draw." Otherwise played great. I wonder if he would have called 70-75% pot bet OTR.
@nihaladvani3332
Жыл бұрын
Actually played a hand with him later on where I flipped quads and overbet the river and got paid. #balance
@devonherron9935
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how the villain reacts to a revealed 3 of clubs on the river when he asks
@danielmeuler2877
Жыл бұрын
I noticed that Big Bets on the Turn and River are more likely to be perceived and be a Bluff compared to smaller Value Bets. I started Bluffing with smaller bets and was Shocked when they got threw at a high rate.
@Optable
Жыл бұрын
The same exact reason to balance value bets with large sizings/overbets that look bluffy. Pretty commonplace when deep.
@israelfrenkel3069
Жыл бұрын
I got offered to play in NYC a home game 1\3 1000$ cap with a 10%rake UpTo 25$ does it make sense to play this game?
@conorm2524
Жыл бұрын
That's an insane amount.
@Thanks-bj1fo
2 ай бұрын
No. My casino is 1/3 with a 10% up to 7. But bet sizes are increments of 5, so its basically a 2/5. Which makes rake pretty good for a 2/5.
@aceking5360
Жыл бұрын
How does he fold J8 omg
@enlightenme4194
Жыл бұрын
The villain 4bets guys
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
😂
@cmbsoldja
Жыл бұрын
Either Bart tryna pullup or he a fed . . . .
@rhpmike
Жыл бұрын
lol GTOWizard has the flop as a 99.9% bet by villain!
@CrushlivePoker
Жыл бұрын
With entire range right? Thats why I said it was off the rails immediately.
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
V used the other 0.01%. 🐗
@Adam-fb5nt
Жыл бұрын
I 100% agree that the pot-sized bet looks more like a possible bluff. Just bet $600 like it's pure value with the nuts.
@hoopaholik91
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. If the caller has a flush, he's never betting pot. You're supposed to try and get value from QQ/TT/AJ
@shexteriors9510
Жыл бұрын
By your logic, you should be betting pot with a flush.
@Adam-fb5nt
Жыл бұрын
@@shexteriors9510 come to think of it every time I call an overbet they have it 😂
@Gos1234567
Жыл бұрын
But do you bet 600$ with a bluff then?If not then you are way unbalanced and easy to read
@playvodkadotka
Жыл бұрын
There are nyc 5/5 games and above
@stolve8847
Жыл бұрын
It all goes back to my old saying, "If your gonna induce a bluff, you can't be too scared to you know like actually call the bluff."
@sean3533
Жыл бұрын
Anything else would be all loosey goosey
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
Translate that into English, pls.
@sean3533
Жыл бұрын
@@pot_kivach160 are you eating a sandwich?
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
@@sean3533 you seem someone stolen your sandwich. Wasn't me, I swear.
@sean3533
Жыл бұрын
@@pot_kivach160 😅😂
@drewwhitehead700
Жыл бұрын
Villain in there with J8d surprised me given the 4! Pre-flop. Anyone else?
@Gos1234567
Жыл бұрын
No its standard
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
It's standard.
@jakecooper5855
Жыл бұрын
Standard
@danielkidwell736
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the vids Bart
@LionAndALamb
Жыл бұрын
I never cease to be amazed by the hands you can get to fold in live poker with a 3 barrel bluff when you barrel the river.
@hoopaholik91
Жыл бұрын
Only two barrels!
@LionAndALamb
Жыл бұрын
@@hoopaholik91 True! I stand corrected!
@mjriemen
Жыл бұрын
Hmmm… I’m always by what they call by when I 3 barrel off…
@KimiiiRaikkonen
Жыл бұрын
I did not understand how "the rock" worked. I'd fold pre against a cold 4bet pre. But I liked how hero played it postflop.
@stepbackandthink
Жыл бұрын
Is the rake in these home/private games higher or lower than card rooms?
@jamiealexander7065
11 ай бұрын
Way higher, the big PLO games take 300 per hand.
@stepbackandthink
11 ай бұрын
@@jamiealexander7065 Is that because they are basically illegal?
@jamiealexander7065
11 ай бұрын
@@stepbackandthink yeah, and they're all scumbags.
@tj-qh4kz
Жыл бұрын
Bartholomue
@gnawbabygnaw
Жыл бұрын
Good one. Thanks 🤙🤙
@Levi-oi1dg
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe he folded kings preflop!
@libenhagos9335
Жыл бұрын
bro 4bet j8 suited
@pot_kivach160
Жыл бұрын
Bro, A3 calling 4bet OOP!?!? 😭
@libenhagos9335
Жыл бұрын
@@pot_kivach160bro said fuck GTO
@joshuakennedy8094
Жыл бұрын
Imagine having an opponent who 4 bets J8 suited then checks a good flop texture where he actually has a piece of the board and then folds two pair he hit on the turn because a backdoor flush came in. Wowwwwww. And caller said this guy was a "pro" player. Lmao
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