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@debbielungsodaitfllo
Ай бұрын
Please make a video about the battle of the teutoburg forest 🙏🏻
@darzhanacf8983
Ай бұрын
It has already been made
@westrim
Ай бұрын
@@debbielungsodaitfllo They actually made a whole series, most of them titled starting with "Avenging Varus" about that battle and the Roman military response over the next few years.
@3_am___
Ай бұрын
Tbh i have premium like 3-4 years by now, and the perk to support quality content is oddly satisfying
@debbielungsodaitfllo
Ай бұрын
@@westrim it about the aftermath and it response not the battle itself
@EmpireofSigmar
Ай бұрын
"The eyes of the mighty Caesar are upon you. He appreciates your service, and bestows upon you the exceptional gift of his Mark. My Lord requires your presence at his camp, at Fortification Hill. His Mark will guarantee your safe-conduct through our lands."
@SilverDart214
Ай бұрын
Ave, true to Caesar
@sergiorr90
Ай бұрын
NV Caesar's Legion had a lot of potencial
@courier665
Ай бұрын
V+M1+M1+M1+M1
@Notimportant253
Ай бұрын
I’m glad I’m also not the only person who immediately thought about fallout nv when I saw this video lmao
@EmpireofSigmar
Ай бұрын
Vulpes Inculta is my favorite Roman historical character.
@vexopy8633
Ай бұрын
every invicta video about another roman special unit is like getting to the deeper points of the iceberg of roman military structure
@InvictaHistory
Ай бұрын
Lots more to be explored, especially in the late empire and the Byzantines
@Gibson7Clans
Ай бұрын
@@InvictaHistorycool. We are looking forward to it. 😁👍
@justinian-the-great
Ай бұрын
@@InvictaHistory Hope you'll cover agentes in rebus, the successors of frumentarii.
@debbielungsodaitfllo
Ай бұрын
@@InvictaHistory, please make a video about the battle of the teutoburg forest 🙏🏻
@Al_the_Phantom
Ай бұрын
@@debbielungsodaitfllo Or better yet, the Rise and Fall of Quintilius Varus, the General who led the Romans in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. Everyone knows of the Germanic General Arminius's Story, but not every knows the Full Life Story of Varus.
@javiersaugar376
Ай бұрын
"Nipton was a wicked place, debased and corrupt. It served all comers, so long as they paid. Profligate troops, Powder Gangers, men of the Legion such as myself - the people here didn't care. It was a town of whores. For a pittance, the town agreed to lead those it had sheltered into a trap. Only when I sprang it did they realize they were caught inside it, too" - Frumentarii Inculta, Nipton 2281.
@johntitor_ibm5100
Ай бұрын
Ave, true to Caesar.
@extremel.z.s3140
Ай бұрын
Ave, True to Caesar
@gratefulguy4130
Ай бұрын
I admire the purity of the Legion's justice
@maxpain2037
15 күн бұрын
“It has a stark beauty doesn’t it, I’m glad you can appreciate it”
@admiral_franz_von_hipper5436
Ай бұрын
Came here to the comments for New Vegas references, was not disappointed.
@matiasyannuzzi9655
4 күн бұрын
Up to and including Couriers serving also as Frumentarii. Hat's off, Obsidian, you did your homework.
@gbm.03
Ай бұрын
0:10 HE SAID IT!!!
@chorizodaniel9293
Ай бұрын
😩😫😤
@YataTheFifteenth
Ай бұрын
Courier VI no way
@devilfruit3415
Ай бұрын
POG POG
@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658
Ай бұрын
Vulpes Inculta sends his regards
@awesomehpt8938
Ай бұрын
Vulpes Inculta is the OG
@thestanleys3657
Ай бұрын
Ave true to Caesar
@Notimportant253
Ай бұрын
[Terrifying presence} “I’m gonna wear your head like you wear that dogs” *LEGIONARIES, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!*
@TheMagnificentPear
Ай бұрын
Ave, true to Caesar
@johnlop7763
Ай бұрын
Ave
@jrpgnation6375
Ай бұрын
Someone should link this video to Ubisoft. We may finally get proper Assassin's creed roman game.
@dylanroberts1752
Ай бұрын
@@jrpgnation6375 I've thinking the same thing. Ever since assassin's Creed Odyssey.
@VainerCactus0
Ай бұрын
Did you know that all the Frumentarii were black Lesbians? Netflix and Ubisoft knows so. Someones grandma knows so too.
@samuelmendoza9356
Ай бұрын
Considering they been disbanded by Diocletian by 312 BCE, perhaps they can set it on 3rd Century Crisis? Maybe futilely trying to save Aurelian too? I can imagine the one who forged it can be Templars or Assassins where Aurelian cannot be controlled by either.
@bine35
Ай бұрын
@@VainerCactus0 AC: Rome but you can only play as a black female edgy super elite Nubian bodyguard to Caesar
@goosefootjones7196
Ай бұрын
Im not asking U isoft for sheezt
@tokebak4291
Ай бұрын
Watching this video about Frumentarii brings back memories of that time in Nipton. Almost always ended up taking down Vulpe and his Legion crew there in New Vegas! Those were some funny moments, but you gotta admit, their style was badass.
@matthewneuendorf5763
Ай бұрын
One assumes that military grain supply management would include foraging. Given the nature of that particular task, it seems a short leap from seeking out hidden stores of grain to finding other hidden things.
@SusCalvin
24 күн бұрын
@@matthewneuendorf5763 Roman supply trains limit the reliance on forage. Foraging has the same limits well into the early modern period. It takes up lots of time, you must stop more often. There is a diminishing return as you deplete the land close by and must range further out. The foraging party has to keep people detailed to security. You can run into local militias, enemy foragers and scouts. Grain shipments would be more like making sure the logistics of moving grain from places like Egypt remained undisturbed.
@matthewneuendorf5763
24 күн бұрын
@SusCalvin The tyranny of the wagon (or of the mule) doesn't change until you get to mechanized transport. You can only prepare so many depots, and generally only in owned territory. The Romans were often better than their enemies at pushing their supplies to the absolute limit, but they still had to deal with inherent limitations on logistics. That means foraging.
@SusCalvin
24 күн бұрын
@@matthewneuendorf5763 Yeah, they are not that good. You need people to get water or firewood at the least. But it seems better than opposing forces that needed to disperse and forage and really struggled with concentrating forces.
@noblerook
Ай бұрын
Ave, true to Caesar
@enriquehartmann8642
Ай бұрын
I did recon and infantry in the army. I think if I ever went back in time and wound up in Rome, I think id join the legions and try to establish the protocol for reconnaissance. Who knows, maybe I become the father of Militray Intrigue and Reconnaissance....lol.... Excellent video
@SusCalvin
24 күн бұрын
Instructions for foraging and recce units were in place in European early modern period armies. I read old instructions on what to ask around for as you anchored in a neutral port.
@stevenvail6277
Ай бұрын
It makes sense that those who forage for food to supply the army would have the dual role to also collect intelligence while out collecting grain and cattle from local inhabitants.
@Art-is-craft
28 күн бұрын
They are not foraging. They are part of the market system.
@bloodygoat6941
Ай бұрын
Uhh I love it. Awesome video about a topic which is so poorly covered over all on here. Such gems always remind me why I subscribed to this channel
@wesleyredmond3464
Ай бұрын
Man see Invicta ,man click ,man pleased! As always outstanding work!
@jacobbeaupre3940
Ай бұрын
NEW VEGAS CANT BE STOPPED! AVE TRUE TO CAESAR
@daveweiss5647
Ай бұрын
It makes sense that the grain collectors would be able to evolve into an intelligence service... searching for grain services, dealing with well traveled merchants, local leaders and bureaucrats, looking for smugglers and hidden sources, dealing with bandits, relationships with customs officials and port workers, scouring the countryside...etc...
@konstantinriumin2657
Ай бұрын
Ave True to Caesar!
@nonyabeeznuss304
Ай бұрын
Considering a grain officer/courier would be traveling quite a lot as well as having access to all important mail, it stands to reason that they would be quite well informed individuals. It's a pretty short jump to just start using them for that aspect of their job altogether.
@chrisgarbutt1893
Ай бұрын
Ave, True To Caesar!
@MBP1918
Ай бұрын
AVE TRUE TO CAESAR
@user-vf3pe9ce5x
Ай бұрын
I thought that was the unofficial job of preatorians.
@EggnogTheNog
Ай бұрын
They only assassinated emperors who didn’t pay them the bribes they’d been promised for assassinating the previous emperor.
@mojewjewjew4420
Ай бұрын
They were linked though
@chefboyardee2223
10 күн бұрын
@@user-vf3pe9ce5x it was just a hobby
@gushterell7989
Ай бұрын
New upcoming frame in "Warframe" is a frumentari. What a coincidence. Great vid!
@crazyirish209
Ай бұрын
So mailman/grain clerks/ spies lmao 🤣 those crazy Romanos
@nuclearmedicineman6270
Ай бұрын
Excellent timing, I was *just* reading about them. Since you're reading my mind, do a video on the next thing I'm looking into.
@mooncake8254
Ай бұрын
Looking back. Listening and watching your videos. The voice it's golden!
@Maesterful
Ай бұрын
Been asking for this topic for years, fantastic
@allenhamilton6688
18 күн бұрын
Ombudsmen seems the best description of their duties and uses.
@danielgbadebosmith9330
2 күн бұрын
This would make a great bit of historical fiction either as a book graphic novel or TV show in the same style as Rome.
@patrickdusablon2789
Ай бұрын
Regarding intelligence-gathering, given the Frumentarii were responsible for grain supply, they would be in almost constant contact with grain merchants/brokers and farmers, carters and the like. Those people travel or talk with people who travel and could prove to be very useful HUMINT assets, little different from how a modern infantry patrol in Afghanistan or Iraq would have chats with locals in villages and at checkpoints to learn what they could about their local situation. And conversely, because of their frequent contacts with the local populations, it makes sense they'd be used for a lot of those varied tasks and special projects, especially if they're known to be dealing fairly and having established a trust relationship with the locals.
@johngaelnox5447
Ай бұрын
"Vulpes! Bring your femboy ahh here, a new Ancient Rome video just dropped!"
@mojewjewjew4420
Ай бұрын
Wtf there were no femboys in FNV, to the cross with you!
@zo-minamotoclan8472
Ай бұрын
EARLY, GLORY TO THE EMPIRE!
@rickpowanda3100
Ай бұрын
Well about that assassin of emperors dude: Felix is a cognomen. Here it is seemingly a nickname like "Africanus" was to Scipio. Felix translates to "lucky" so maybe within the network he was known as that but among the hoi polloi he didn't have/use/reveal that cognomen. More speculation but reading it that way is interesting.
@lazyguy3081
Ай бұрын
When’s the evolution of the Roman Army part 2 coming out?!?!? We have been waiting for a long long time.
@honestlordcommissarbrighte7921
Ай бұрын
Shut up
@Lassisvulgaris
Ай бұрын
@@honestlordcommissarbrighte7921 Grumpy, are we...?
@-RONNIE
Ай бұрын
Thank you for the good video ⚔️
@samdumaquis2033
Ай бұрын
Fantastic work
@slappynixon
16 күн бұрын
Some historical speculation, initially grain collectors could have been a talent pool from which the Empire could recruit. They travelled the provinces, were somewhat educated record keepers, and must have been linguists too. Later the role of grain collector could have been used as a cover for spies. But as students of history we have to follow the rule that you can't write what you can't prove.
@dk6024
Ай бұрын
KZitem premium kicks Spotify out the third floor window.
@robbabcock_
Ай бұрын
Terrific episode and an intriguing subject!⚔🔥😎
@martino7263
Ай бұрын
At 17:17 there are candles but those are a medieval invention. Romans used oil lamps.
@ImagineMySurprise510
Ай бұрын
The description of the activities of the Frumentarii reminded me of how FEMA works today in shaking down victims of disasters for anything of value they may have.
@1chaplain
Ай бұрын
Ave. True to Caesar
@riverraven7359
Ай бұрын
Being a provisions officer does give a reasonable explanation for why an individual would be moving around independently from the unit and speaking to well informed or connected people. Dont forget that the Soviet Union called its political officers Comissars too.
@TheEggeater1111
Ай бұрын
This was very interesting video I enjoyed the heck out of it
@KeithPrince-cp3me
24 күн бұрын
Frumentatio means foraging, frumentator, a forager, presumably from searching out or collecting grain, though it attained a wider meaning, general foraging for food or resources and then foraging or collecting useful or important information.
@coolintruddle
Ай бұрын
Great video. I'm currently playing the 43ad ttrpg. Our characters are frumentarii. Speculatores in northern Britannia.
@Dethmeister
Ай бұрын
Make a video about the elite Futanari.
@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347
Ай бұрын
This is really good! Imma have this yoinked for a story mwehhehehe
@Harry-bc2dn
Ай бұрын
Awesome
@bobrobinson1576
Ай бұрын
That frumentarius looks suspiciously like Liam Neeson.
@erasamus1057
Ай бұрын
so I pay for yt premium and what do they do?..... add ads to the actual videos wtf
@BinbrookPaintball
Ай бұрын
With the new Pharoah update some more bronze age content would be awesome!
@Guyonthefencewillbepostingsoon
Ай бұрын
These Frumentarii would play a key role in Orwellian (Totalitarian Dystopian) Rome.
@noone4700
Ай бұрын
Awesome video!
@Nipah.Auauau
Ай бұрын
19:58 huh...that sounds strangely familiar for some reason...?
@Fatherofheroesandheroines
Ай бұрын
Ok dont watch this at 3:50 am or you too you will think the title was Frutymantooi, lol. Rome's usage of spies and assassins is worthy of a series of noir style mystery books.
@gratefulguy4130
Ай бұрын
"And so the Courier/Grain Officer who escaped death outside of Pomeii escaped death once again, and the Roman Empire was forever changed..."
@zddxddyddw
Ай бұрын
Are you planning to do any videos on more obscure units of history? Like Latin American and Pre-Columbian units. In Argentina we had units like the mounted grenadiers or General Guemes' infernals during the independence wars, who protected the country from Spanish attempts to invade from the north.
@CharlieCandy.
Ай бұрын
On the list of Greats my dudes.
@pakshirajan8585
Ай бұрын
Please make a video on Kingdom of Travancore
@davetremaine9688
Ай бұрын
8:02 And to think I thought it was already kinda difficult to pronounce "frumentarii." I also find myself making these 20 min videos last 45 minutes because everytime I see a word like "peregrinorum," I'm like "that's gotta be related to peregrine falcons, right?" Turns out peregrine falcons were usually caught during migration, and not just from their normal habitat and "peregrinus" meant "coming from foreign parts," or simply "migratory" or "foreign"
@mojewjewjew4420
Ай бұрын
Where are you from? Murican?
@davetremaine9688
Ай бұрын
@@mojewjewjew4420 Yessir
@mojewjewjew4420
Ай бұрын
@@davetremaine9688 Well americans aren't exactly known for their language skills, for me personally as latin its not hard to understand most words but not all, some have changed meaning or are rarely used due to English mixing, we call it Romgleză,we still use frumenta which is to ground for example grain, so frumentarii is close enough to grain collectors who probably ground them too.
@davetremaine9688
Ай бұрын
@@mojewjewjew4420 it was really the double “i” on the end that was the only sticking point. Very unnatural for two separate “e” sounds back to back for an English speaker. Probably similar to how some English speakers can’t roll the “r’s” in Spanish.
@mojewjewjew4420
Ай бұрын
@@davetremaine9688 Its interesting seeing new perspectives, in my language we dont see i as e, nor is 2 i unnatural, in fact if you have a hard time with 2,we have words with 3 i,in fact romanian is unique in that words are read as written, this makes it for us monstrous languages like English, where sometimes the pronunciation is far different from the spelling, especially words English borrowed. English truly needs a reform and special letters, an english/irish channel did a video on this.
@anthemanatheme1638
Ай бұрын
Ave, True to Caesar
@nickbz1303
Ай бұрын
Thanks for this detailed explanation. From the information presented, it seems Atticus from The Chosen would be somewhat anachronistic but otherwise reasonably portrayed?
@VictorIV0310
Ай бұрын
Balam Industries sponsored field trip.
@adamslicer2020
29 күн бұрын
I like the song, but I side with the Dominion Tank Police on this. Damn girls ran the red lights.
@jackthunderbolt4307
Ай бұрын
Forst off, love the vid. But when are we getting Mali knights part 2?
@mango2005
Ай бұрын
under Caesars eye
@WallNutBreaker524
Ай бұрын
Though I've started to have such great dislike and even hate for website's and platforms like KZitem due to the many annoying or bad or dumb thing's they've done or continue to do. I do love that we can get high quality content like this for free. 😊
@jesseberg3271
Ай бұрын
The idea that there's a difference between representing the Emperor's Will and enforcing the law was deliberately blured by the Roman Emperors.
@3_am___
Ай бұрын
Officio Assassinorum vibe
@unclesam5230
Ай бұрын
FOR THE EMPEROR!
@chrisnewhard5863
Ай бұрын
Ngl, it sounds like you're conflating several distinct roles/duties into a single position. It's kind of like seeing "officer" in the modern day and conflating the average cop with a marine and a weekend warrior of the US army corps of engineers. I get having to spice things up for KZitem, but this seems to be pushing the line when it comes to drawing a concrete picture.
@guyeswanson7958
Ай бұрын
That’s actually the point. They started as nation wide logistics service overseen by trusted military leaders and evolved over the millenia of romes history into an empire wide information network reporting to highest ranks of Roman society. Initially as tax collectors, hunters and grain counters, becoming scouts, diplomats and spies, as individuals left millitary service to enter civilian life they would be adopted and adapted into local police forces until their value working within borders was noted and turned into a high level police service. You’re right to think it looks conflated, because Rome was a millitary state and actuvely conflated its own roles. If it worked on the frontier, if it worked in the army, they would try to make it work for society. The very reason people would make that sssumption of officers, is because that’s the right assumption. Police forces stem from town guards which stem from retained millitary personnel outside of campaign. Being a captain was once the act of owning a ship with naval officers eventuating in history after land militaries formalised the idea of officers at sea. Offficer does in fact mean officer, just like frumwntari definetly always meant frumentari. You’re watching a history video covering an intelligence service from over a thousand years ago, shouldn’t you be interested in the history of that
@ThePatriarchXCI91
28 күн бұрын
Edward Sallow liked this video
@Lightspectre1
Ай бұрын
Video on assassins... bad timing.
@gomuslim6
Ай бұрын
Ngl, the title's first part had me thinking this video was about yards, furlongs and ounces etc.
@mojewjewjew4420
Ай бұрын
No mention of FNV? Expect a visit from Vulpes Inculta.
@GustavoMaldonadoFidalgo
Ай бұрын
please make a video about the Marcomannic wars
@user-wu7ug4ly3v
Ай бұрын
I think the translation of peregrinus as foreigner is OK but it also has a connotation of traveller. As such I think that pilgrim is a better translation and one which matches the use of the word in modern Romance languages. The “pilgrimage” here should not have any religious connotation, however as it might in some modern settings.
@notlayjeno6258
24 күн бұрын
a grain of truth
@alfrancisbuada2591
Ай бұрын
Every empire had its assassins. If you were to do the dirty work, then make sure you leave no trace and keep a strict vow of silence.
@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski
Ай бұрын
i can't, in good conscience, directly give money to youtube for premium. they support history they're comfortable with here and censor history they aren't comfortable with (like anything regarding the events of summer 2001 and the gwot, events that are 20+ years old now and drastically in need of examining, preserving, and developing a common consensus on) there. i can, however, just give you money directly and i like that option better. BTW i'm not alleging anything different happened summer 2001 than what you would find in the official report. that report is incredibly thorough and was compiled before you could get an Ai script to write most of it for you. plus that report takes swings at living people you cant take swings at unless youre congress or a supreme court judge. people who were still the hegemon when the report was made.
@rizky8008
Ай бұрын
0:39 messi!!!
@julianmartinez3048
Ай бұрын
Spying and assasination were done very informally, usually recruiting locals or bribing malcontents. Many of the enemy chieftain assasinations were carried away by bribed traitors, as in the case of Viriatus, and some other more. The frumentarii looks more like an internal affairs section of the roman army.
@JakeShadowCitizen
Күн бұрын
7:07, so rome also experimented with DEI. We really are a late stage Republic then.
@TishaHayes
Ай бұрын
I prefer these deep dives in to real world events rather than klingons vs. romulans or imperium vs. fremen, speculative stuff. Good job on this one.
@DavidLee-kg5dl
Ай бұрын
sounds like council spectres from mass effect
@williamburroughs9686
Ай бұрын
Every time I hear you say that word. I keep thinking of fermentation. Also since some of them delt with grain. I was wondering if they had anything to do with brewing things like beer? Also by your description. It sounds like these people were more of a special task force of services. Spying and info seems to be a minor role in their skill set.
@monegal1
Ай бұрын
The frumentarii first spied enemy lands looking for grain stores the legions could steal, hence their later role as intelligence agents
@Art-is-craft
28 күн бұрын
That was not what they did. They wear part of the grain market. The Roman Empire was a massive producer of grains.
@dariustiapula
Ай бұрын
Litterally the origin off the IRS.
@hummussapien7.6billion68
Ай бұрын
Can you do a true size of the ww2 American military?
@SB-qm5wg
Ай бұрын
When have secret police not become too powerful.
@Luftpvp
Ай бұрын
Woot
@baswar
Ай бұрын
I wonder if part of the issue with working out ancient espionage is our own romanticised pop culture around spies. Espionage seems a logical evolution from soldiers who seem to be basically postmen. If they are carrying the mail for governors and generals anyway then why not read it, then tell the emperor what you read via another member of the unit. While assassination seems an evolution of law enforcement which in term seems natural for soldiers who have freedom to move around
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