Wait a minute. Ebay Follows their policy and pays the seller but then "asks" for a refund. That's rich. Ebay should have never given the money to the seller in the first place. As I commented earlier, all those involved in this transaction failed to do their due diligence and their job. Glad you got your money back. Lessons are learned here.
@eduardovelez9983
3 ай бұрын
The seller should be banned for life from eBay
@FakePMGSaga
3 ай бұрын
Right.. Ebay asking the seller to refund after they dispensed he money is pretty bizarre.
@BringingTheHeat-VBC
2 ай бұрын
I told this knumbskull 5 times but he doesnt listen. of course they charged back the seller.
@MrMADMADHATTER1
Ай бұрын
@@FakePMGSagahmmm...speculation time. If the seller is doing fraud at that level, it could be an ongoing case were now the scammer is on the hook for defrauding over 20k....just some speculation.
@MrWiggleWiggles
3 ай бұрын
You’re just a lucky one who got helped. I (and many others) have been screwed over by BGS. I bought a $8,500 soccer sticker in a Beckett slab and it went to PSA and was deemed fake, it then went to SGC who also said it was fake. Beckett said sorry, we can’t help. Got a letter and everything, no refund, loss of $8,500 Again, lucky you
@FakePMGSaga
3 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that man. I thought about situations like this where the original authenticator makes a mistake and you find out after the appeal period has expired. Unfortunately I don't think there's much you can do unless you kick & scream like me to get the attention of Ebay. That's why one think I brought up with Ebay is what if after a while the buyer has evidence what they bought was not authentic, do they have any avenue to appeal? Not sure if they will consider situations like that but I did open up the topic.
@PhilipY
Ай бұрын
There's conflicting evidence because the seller said they initially paid a lot of money for the card (and sold at a loss), but then they claim they submitted the card to BGS as a base card saying they weren't sure what they had. The seller is lying because they're saying they paid more than $20k for the card initially but thought the card might be a base card. That doesn't make much logical sense to me
@kartgal
3 ай бұрын
The seller was so shady!!!
@isaaccho5848
3 ай бұрын
Clearly a scammer, not just shady
@Bravetrain13
3 ай бұрын
@@isaaccho5848 I’m pretty sure he’s also in the comment section suggesting he did nothing wrong. He graded it as a base card, meaning it’s a fact that he knew it was not a PMG.
@SurprisedPingu
3 ай бұрын
The Seller is the one who colored in the card red. This is 2024, they did not purchase what they believed to be, a non serial numbered "altered PMG" in raw condition for >23K usd...Anyone who believes that..... 😬 The real question for me is, did they have someone on the inside at Beckett get this into the mislabeled slab or were they just remarkably lucky... It seems like such a LONG SHOT that this would pass through and get an altered PMG label, it doesn't even seem it would be worth the attempt. Makes you wonder if the seller had some inside help?
@scottd8624
3 ай бұрын
The seller colored in the card? Do you know the seller or perhaps privy to evidence that has not been disclosed to the public?
@FakePMGSaga
3 ай бұрын
That was my questions exactly, I asked Beckett pretty candidly do you guys think this is an inside job, BGS said highly unlikely. So I guess we will never know. But like you said, the odds of this happening is close to none.
@Bravetrain13
3 ай бұрын
@@scottd8624it’s called common sense.
@Bravetrain13
3 ай бұрын
@@scottd8624sorry you don’t have it. All the evidence we needed was that the guy admitted he graded the card himself. A seller with thousands of sales in this hobby and probably years of experience either dyed the card themself or knew it was dyed when grading it and selling it. If you think we need more evidence, I’d say you need more common sense
@Bravetrain13
3 ай бұрын
@@scottd8624why do you comment this everywhere you go. Are you secretly the seller? It’s 2024. The seller has 1000+ sales. He knew that card was colored when he graded it, either because he colored it himself or obtained it in a lot. Use some common sense
@kainslance
3 ай бұрын
I really hope you make some more videos on your pc. I would love to see more. I saw the Stormtrooper statue in one of your videos and would love to learn more about you other then these few videos.
@thuikl
3 ай бұрын
If seller ran a scam and got paid then of course he won't repay eBay. If seller didn't run a scam and was honest about the circumstances then of course he shouldn't repay eBay since the fault was with Beckett. Beckett are the experts here, they are the ones who messed up and should pay.
@dljcards
3 ай бұрын
Great videos! Keep making more content my man. Would also love to see a tour of your collection!
@bdablader95
3 ай бұрын
Hope you come back man, you seem like a really good dude with an interesting take on collecting, I think a lot of us are interested in seeing your PC!
@BringingTheHeat-VBC
2 ай бұрын
interesting in what way. That he is everything that is wrong with th hobby>? Open and shut case if he would have done the simple thing and get his credit card company or pay pal. he forced e-bay.
@kestonsoldschoolcomicbooks6842
3 ай бұрын
Man, I love your analysis. Please continue making videos after the sage ends!
@ThorsTradingCards-dk5oz
2 ай бұрын
While eBay lost leverage with paying the seller, I can’t imagine the can of worms it would open if eBay got into with holding payments. At what point is the release fair? I’m a novice too and I’m scared that I might be buying fake stuff. I’ve found a couple sellers on eBay who keep selling the same PSA slab numbers. One card was 3 times in 3 weeks. That reeks of shadiness. I’ve reported what I’ve found but I’m not even sure if it’s a problem or not.
@BringingTheHeat-VBC
2 ай бұрын
Newsflash. You are, You are buying trimmed soaked cards, fak patches with scribbles for autos and especially fake RELICS
@miguelavila8961
3 ай бұрын
Scammer!! So many of them in the hobby, absolutely despicable. Happy you were taken care of.
@kickitfwd
Ай бұрын
eBay needs to take this opportunity to implement additional controls for cards valued over a certain threshold. A $23k card and $250 card should not be going through the same check. Seller does make valid points and it's impossible to prove seller's intent/prior knowledge. In the end BGS slabbed it incorrectly and this is an example of why Beckett has lost so much market share in the industry the past 5-10 years.
@TheCardHunter
3 ай бұрын
Thx for update. Disgusted with the hobby. This will happen again and again and again. Is there any laws broken?
@CDubRealTalk
3 ай бұрын
Nothing in life is perfect
@FakePMGSaga
3 ай бұрын
If there's definitive evidence that the seller intentionally planned a fraud then yes its illegal, the hard part is proving the intent. He can always say he got this card and had no idea Beckett graded it wrong after his submission, you really can't prove intent.
@chunter3882
3 ай бұрын
Yeah it is Really Becketts fault
@Goobastank
3 ай бұрын
I have learned that Beckett will not stand behind their grading at this dollar amount. Also eBay “authentication” does not mean what all of us in the hobby thought it meant. They need to rename it as “slab tamper check” because that is all they are doing.
@Goobastank
3 ай бұрын
Sorry, one more thing. You have to a public channel to get anywhere with these corporations. They will not respond, do the right thing, or stand behind their services unless you yell from the mountain about it. Maybe they will hold themselves accountable in the future?
@davidyoung9262
3 ай бұрын
Becket is just horrible all the way around! This is just another example of it. I went the the March Dallas Card Show and was trading a some of my cards. I ran into at least 3 dealers that would even take my BGS slabs….. it they were decent vintage cards. I asked why the dealers just told me they are to inconsistent and there values are no where close to PSA and now SGC for cards. My local card shop grades for us locals he won’t even send anything anymore to Beckett! PSA or SGC
@davidyoung9262
3 ай бұрын
So if I understand what EBay told you about authentication process is if you have a card graded they only will authentic the slab and not the card, but if you send a raw card and it goes to authentication they examine the card? So if that’s correct graded cards will never be truly authenticated? Glad you got your money back I don’t care what level of a collector you are it’s called the right thing to do!
@FakePMGSaga
3 ай бұрын
That is correct.
@RickInMaryland
3 ай бұрын
Why would eBay tell you anything about their communications with the seller?
@FakePMGSaga
3 ай бұрын
The seller told me Ebay asked him for a refund, I asked Ebay if that's true and they said yes. It's in the email I posted.
@RickInMaryland
3 ай бұрын
@@FakePMGSaga That's very unprofessional on the part of eBay. They should not be sharing private conversations between them and the seller. The same applies to confirming private conversations.
@airchewy-cards
3 ай бұрын
I thought you made great videos. I hope you keep doing some.
@philip796
3 ай бұрын
The problem is, the seller knowingly sent something in and it was mislabeled. The fact that he listed this as a PMG without disclosing it as a base and sold it to unknowing buyers itself is a scam and he should not be entitled to a penny.
@robmckay7289
3 ай бұрын
Dan the card man or somebody needs to do an in-depth history of all the recent Jordan pmg's sold thru auction houses or marketplaces to see if this guy is telling the truth. Unless he did an under the table purchase thru a friend there should be some way to track his purchase if it was indeed a high selling price. Because if you ask me his story seems really shady I'm on the side of him coloring the card himself
@JP-qx7sv
3 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t refund if I’m the seller to cover eBay’s mistake either
@BringingTheHeat-VBC
2 ай бұрын
ebays mistake was not getting the card back to the seller and charging him back.
@RichardX-bs1pf
3 ай бұрын
The seller is a scumbag , but even then the seller should tell eBay to get bent. eBay authenticaton is a JOKE ... How much money has eBay authenticy stolen from other customers?
@BringingTheHeat-VBC
2 ай бұрын
they try, but if make a simple Pay pal case against them you will be made whole, and the seller gets his card back. This guy is a out and out DOPEY
@35auburn
3 ай бұрын
The Jordan was submitted to Beckett, identified as a base card?
@FakePMGSaga
3 ай бұрын
When the card was submitted to BGS for grading, he submitted it as a Base Card; even though he claimed he paid PMG price for it when he procured the card (which Im very skeptical of). I asked him why would you submit it as a base if you think it's a PMG, he said he didn't know what to submit it as so he wrote base... I was like 🙃
@35auburn
3 ай бұрын
@FakePMGSaga seems really odd, especially with the seller claiming they paid pmg value for the item. Is that info coming from the seller(submitter), Beckett or both parties? Glad to hear you were made whole, plus an extra bonus from Beckett.
@FakePMGSaga
3 ай бұрын
@@35auburn Seller told me he paid PMG price for the card, and both BGS and the seller confirmed that the submission (done by the seller) was submitted as a BASE not a PMG.
@eduardovelez9983
3 ай бұрын
That seller knew what he was doing and scammed eBay could of scammed you the buyer out of $23,000 .. I heard the seller was the one who sent the card to Beckett if that’s true then yeah he’s a scammer for sure
@TalkingBallCards
3 ай бұрын
Hahahaha love pathetic eBay trying to beg for cash. They need to go to LOWLY BGS, alllllllllll of this stems from BGS making mistakes.
@MasterBison-r3h
3 ай бұрын
That amount should be held for min. 10 days just like a check at the Bank.
@KT-qw1ws
3 ай бұрын
eBay and Beckett were at fault, but the seller should be responsible by getting his account banned but eBay did authenticate it, though so it can go live and I think this should be a lesson by doing research on the card first before purchasing it especially a card that costed the buyer over $23k.
@lowrollerscratcher3563
3 ай бұрын
eBay should terminate the seller account. If eBay doesn’t gave refund at all.
@tony62
3 ай бұрын
It's very obvious the seller scammed and hit the lotto. Where did the seller get the card? Why is the seller not trying to expose that? Exactly. Tells you all you need to know.
@carybensilhe4869
3 ай бұрын
Beckett really screwed over everyone here. I just don't know how educated the seller was to understand Beckett made an error and they capitalized on it, or they were naive themselves.
@bpowerspro
3 ай бұрын
Even though it’s fake, I do wonder how much this specific card could go for now that it has this backstory/ saga.
@junkwaxheir5513
3 ай бұрын
Wait a second, why hasnt beckett been held accountable for their mistake? Why would you want to penalize the seller putting his funds on hold? Psa will offer to pay for their mistakes, beckett needs to take notes
@Bravetrain13
3 ай бұрын
I think the seller paying for what he did is not going to happen. Bgs and eBay are learning they have to actually be experts to sell expertise or they will get taken advantage of, along with innocent customers, by sellers like this one. Sellers a 🤡 and so is anyone saying he did nothing wrong. No one in this hobby with a lot of experience and thousands of sales would think that was a legitimate PMG. Absolutely no one. He did not obtain that card for but maybe a few dollars. What a liar. It’s an established fact that he graded the card as a base card, not as an altered PMG or a PMG. Meaning he knew it was a base card worth a few bucks. So the crayon eaters saying he did nothing wrong are factually incorrect.
@TheCardHunter
3 ай бұрын
Can you ask the SELLER if he is a Collector or Investor 😂
@inasuma8180
3 ай бұрын
In this hobby, I think everyone is a mix of both. We all know there is value there and would ideally prefer to sell our items for the same price or better if we do go to sell.
@strick8008
3 ай бұрын
Yet another video where everyone in the comments "assumes" the seller knew the card was altered. Ebay is a clownshow, if i were the seller id inform them they can smd
@mitchelljones7573
3 ай бұрын
Honestly I'm not even mad the seller won't refund ebay they make so much money daily with their high ass percentages. They chew my profit margins to bits.
@RichardX-bs1pf
3 ай бұрын
DAN THE CARD MAN SHOULD GET HALF OF THAT 23K.....$ 12,000 Australian kangaroo bucks ... He shined a light on this (SCRUB ) Buyer's idiotic mistake.... Everyone blames Beckett and eBay but this BUYER is %10000 to blame.
@CDubRealTalk
3 ай бұрын
Dan doesnt know shit
@isaaccho5848
3 ай бұрын
Hello seller
@tomchang732
3 ай бұрын
Have you not watched his other videos?? The buyer has humbly admitted he screwed up multiple times.
@slayerzerg
2 ай бұрын
let's be real even though it's a fake you need to do more research when buying a 5-figure collectible/card. avoiding scams is part of the hobby unfortunately. should not be buying one with a missing serial number not worth the risk. the way the red is inked on that card is so fake lol
@BringingTheHeat-VBC
2 ай бұрын
he won't he's very dopey. nice kid means well but doesnt listen. He's already been scammed for 5K again
@user-vi5vd3ty9d
3 ай бұрын
Seller a scammer.
@hrh5150
3 ай бұрын
I don't believe the Seller did anything wrong and should keep the $23,000. First, the item was sent to beckett for identification. Second, eBay verified it was graded by beckett. That's TWO steps set up by each corporation, and the item passed both. Item was sold, and Seller was paid. Any mistake should be covered by the corporation. SELLER did nothing illegal!
@sc239
3 ай бұрын
IMO the seller colored the card and got lucky on a BGS mislabel. End of the day he is the most likely person that took a red sharpie to that card. If not show the paper trail of how he came into possession of a grail card. The buyer has a legit paper trail, where is the sellers? claims he paid $20+k for the card and is takin a loss. Prove it..
@CDubRealTalk
3 ай бұрын
You dont know how a sharpie works if you think you can get even coloration with one
@Bravetrain13
3 ай бұрын
Yea they graded a card they knew was colored, probably because they colored it themself.
@Bravetrain13
3 ай бұрын
This take is insane. He graded it as a base card, meaning he knew it was not a PMG
@trader5777
3 ай бұрын
eBay authenticity guarantee is performed by PSA. Why is nobody mentioning PSA in this story?
@FakePMGSaga
3 ай бұрын
Because PSA's agreement with Ebay is when the card is encapsulated they will only authenticate the encapsulation and not the card.
@trader5777
3 ай бұрын
@@FakePMGSaga thanks for clarifying
@bustorobusto6316
3 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t refund either
@TamTranTriZzle
3 ай бұрын
Technically the Seller did nothing wrong. He just got super fortunate ie. Lucky, that BGS messed up and hence took his opportunity to capitalize on that mess up. But he did not do anything " wrong" once he git the card in hand to sell it. Here is an example that may may make some of you change your opinion on the Seller being a scumbag. Let's say u send a card in to PSA to get graded. Doesn't matter the card but let's just say it's the 1986 Fleer MJ RC #57. You think it will get a PSA 7, small chance at PSA 8. But it clearly is not higher than an 8. But the card comes back a PSA 10. You KNOW it can't be a 10 but you figure you got lucky as hell. U then immediately want to sell it cus u know the huge price difference between a 10 on that card. And the best way to sell a "misgraded" card is online and not in person where every flaw can be seen on the card So you then list the card exactly as it is,, a psa 10 jordan rc. And you would be an idiot if u listed a PSA 10 and then state "I believe psa made a huge mistake cus this card is really a 7. It's got surface marks, and even some spaghetti sauce on MJs head" No,, u would just list it as a PSA 10 cus THAT is what the card is. Did u do anything wrong? No. It is a graded card and hence no refunds, which is entirely expected. This example really is no different than what happened here from the viewpoint of the Seller. All he did was sell something as exactly as it is. He merely listed it as shown on the slab which is what we all do when selling a graded card. His only crime is that he got lucky, from a grading company just like many if us have gotten lucky getting a 10 when a card didn't deserve it. As far as ebay, they do have leverage over funds. The authenticity stage is the leverage. They only release the funds after the approve. Now, the actual approval is the problem but that is seperate from the leverage of funds. And Lastly, I sell a lot on ebay and I will easily say that eBay is 100% for the Buyers. They refund Buyers all the time regardless of reasons. The Biyers have all the power in ebay
@carlos4087
3 ай бұрын
Ebay isn't authenticating shit...their word is worthless...thats the bottom line
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