The funny thing is that P5's weather- based passives would have been incredible in P4...
@UltimaKeyMaster
3 жыл бұрын
Because like 2/3rds of the game and the main plot revolves around terrible weather I take it.
@yoso378
3 жыл бұрын
@@UltimaKeyMaster that and there's a weather forecast so you can plan around it.
@CidGuerreiro1234
3 жыл бұрын
@@yoso378 I hate the fact that P5 doesn't have a goddamn weather forecast, not even in Royal. It'd be so much better to plan not just Mementos but confidants as well since some of them are unavailable when it rains.
@bignerd7683
3 жыл бұрын
@@CidGuerreiro1234 i keep a voodoo child persona on me so the effects are on 24/7 except for rain
@kyotheman69
3 жыл бұрын
lol since P4 actually show you weather days, why i loved P4 more you can plan out your days out better then P5, P5 pretty much forced me to clear the palace as soon as possible which sucked, P4 i can wait until last day never suffered
@theermac6024
3 жыл бұрын
The suicide skills in nocturne. Specifically the one that attacks everyone *including yourself*. And since it's an almighty skill, you can't drain or resist it, so 9/10 times you get a game over screen
@sendouvincent8232
3 жыл бұрын
Tarukaja + focus + kamikaze = huge damage at the cost of the demon.
@theermac6024
3 жыл бұрын
@@sendouvincent8232 problem is= Kamikaze also hits you. So you also kill demifiend in the process
@demi-femme4821
3 жыл бұрын
@@theermac6024 No, Kamikaze is the single target mega damage one. That one actually is okay. The one you're thinking of is Last Resort.
@theermac6024
3 жыл бұрын
@@demi-femme4821 oh my b, been a while
@sendouvincent8232
3 жыл бұрын
@@theermac6024 as mentioned above, kamikaze only hits one enemy. Since it's a physicaly based almighty skill, taru x2 at least and focus will hit hard
@LakituAl
3 жыл бұрын
How about the elemental break spells in Persona 3? OH BOY, LEMME WASTE HALF MY MP FOR THREE TURNS OF NEUTRAL DAMAGE
@steam-powereddolphin5449
3 жыл бұрын
Against a single target, no less. The only real use I see it a few reflect strategies, plus _maybe_ Reckoning Dice and Jotun of Grief (if you have a general magic-oriented stratrgy...or Thunder Reign)
@GodOfOrphans
3 жыл бұрын
Those spells are basically useless in the entire series outside of gimmick bosses like Kusumi-no-Okami and Masakado's Shadow that have hidden weaknesses to elemental spells once you nullify their immunities with break spells. those are the only two bosses I know of where the break spells are useful and they're downright required for the latter.
@nitsuaasemed1505
3 жыл бұрын
The only one that's really worth it is Elec Break, since you can use thunder reign/ thunder call to go Crit City against elec-resistant bosses. It was rly useful for the Hermit boss cuz I could keep my nul electric persona while spamming thunder reign. But then again, that's SUPER situational..
@si-level
3 жыл бұрын
it more like super situational rather than useless
@aldosetang9799
3 жыл бұрын
They are quite useful against some mid-game tartarus bosses, one of them is natural dancer since at 3x lv almost all persona with decent wind resistance are also focus on wind element themselves while those good at ice spells do not have very good resistance against wind, whenever I switch them in it always cast garudyne on me and take almost 70 % Hp in one hit. Finally I decide to use a seiryu with wind break, wind boost, and garula skills to beat it and the fight become very smooth as it nullfy almost all of its tricks and it also allow yukari to put some damage on it, I even manage to repel its magarudyne on himself when its wind resistance is gone and deal serious damage on it, so yeah these break skills may be clumsy to use, but they are not that useless acutally
@josuesilva9485
3 жыл бұрын
“now we move on to the Persona games” only talks about persona 3 to 5
@michaelgrant6899
3 жыл бұрын
Worse than dead *F O R G O T T E N*
@danielmayonaka8818
3 жыл бұрын
*"OVERWRITE THIS PAIN TEARING ME APART!"*
@alonshahar4556
3 жыл бұрын
There is no Persona 1&2 in Ba-Sing-Se
@Artemus973
3 жыл бұрын
Isn't that a good thing in the context of this video?
@yhjidid7375
3 жыл бұрын
@@Artemus973 there's still some useless skills in p1 and p2, like the positive ailment inducing skills in p1 and poison claw in p2
@phantomviper211
3 жыл бұрын
Ok so I've recently learned that the demon talk skills in Nocturne can actually be incredibly useful. They work in fairly specific scenarios, like seduce is only effective when a female demon is talking to a male demon, but at those specific times they can allow you to completely bypass the recruitment conversation and just get that demon for free. I've found the most widely applicable one being brainwash as it makes grabbing lower level demons for specific fusion super easy.
@Scorpioncactusflower
2 жыл бұрын
I love Brainwash. And Kidnap. 'I need you. You don't have a choice, c'mere'
@Delmworks
10 ай бұрын
Kinda on brand for nocturne to have incredibly powerful skills that are also incredibly niche and impossible to find without a guide
@carolj7191
7 ай бұрын
valkyrie's Soul Recruit instantly works on any neutral male demon, it's incredibly straightforward
@Bladehound83
6 ай бұрын
The "funniest" one is that Kidnap is particularly effective against children.
@hello-gx6oi
4 ай бұрын
@@Bladehound83lmao
@megatenshi
3 жыл бұрын
Honorable mention: Salvation in SMTIV:A specifically. Having to Smirk to cure ailments is so fucking backward given that ailments remove and prevent Smirk, and in general it makes dealing with ailments without using Fiends and such a pain in the ass in that game
@killjoy_ao4653
3 жыл бұрын
cue Mitsuru getting my entire team obliterated
@trevevern6788
3 жыл бұрын
MARIN KARIN 𝗕𝗜𝗧𝗖𝗛!
@killjoy_ao4653
3 жыл бұрын
@@trevevern6788 don't get me started on tentarafoo
@sociallyawkard5675
3 жыл бұрын
Should’ve scanned and used tactics
@killjoy_ao4653
3 жыл бұрын
@@sociallyawkard5675 its a pain when you're grinding
@sociallyawkard5675
3 жыл бұрын
@@killjoy_ao4653 not really
@lyzder7298
3 жыл бұрын
The virgin Marin Karin VS the chad Tentarafoo Like seriously, combined with MCs stangnant air, Mitsuru's almost garanteed tentarafoo makes random encounters easy and saves so much sp
@renatoreyes2817
3 жыл бұрын
save SP in persona 3?
@mechamonkeymancityboat7785
2 жыл бұрын
Guaranteed yet I miss all the time
@idea4965
3 жыл бұрын
I have nightmares from Fuuka's Oracle...
@np9946
3 жыл бұрын
I think that belongs to the best/worst moves at the same time. For me it mostly just healed aliments when I didn't have them.
@lyzder7298
3 жыл бұрын
Oracle is the definition of last resort. Like, literally. The move is coded to have its best effects when the party is about to die, and its worst when you're doing good
@Scorpionspear77
3 жыл бұрын
Teddie’s Kamui Miracle in Golden is basically the same thing, except now it costs MP! Greeeeat...
@MiguelRPD
3 жыл бұрын
On portable 3 all her skills were useful.
@np9946
3 жыл бұрын
@@MiguelRPD I think escape route was just broken though.
@chuggajr
3 жыл бұрын
The nocturne conversation skills can actually be used to completely skip some encounters depending on what demon uses it. For example: Setanta will just give you and item and leave if Scthatch talks to him.
@SnivicDelta
3 жыл бұрын
Nyarly: *Puts Mitsuru in thumbnail* Also Nyarly: *Gets through entire P3 section without mentioning Marin Karin* Me: Wait, that's illegal.
@c3lest1na45
3 жыл бұрын
Atleast marin karin actually work and skill like aliment boost/charm boost exist it might still work but if its on mitsuru ai thats another case
@ladigoos8835
3 жыл бұрын
When your actually in control of mitsuru it’s useful. Playing P3P right now and it feels like it has ok accuracy and charming enemies can help a lot, especially when they have few weaknesses or a weakness that I can’t attack witj
@xbolt678
3 жыл бұрын
It's not a bad skill and it can actually help in a lot of situations. The meme is that she uses it way to often and at the worst possible times which a) is an ai issue and b) can be basically negated with proper use of tactics (or completely avoided in p3p).
@Xandumas
3 жыл бұрын
@@xbolt678 Portable is gross though
@xbolt678
3 жыл бұрын
@@Xandumas yeah, I personally prefer FES, but it's worth mentioning
@ThatResidentEvilfan
3 жыл бұрын
The ambush skills in P5 are saved by a passive in royal that always activates them. This gives you access to the party-wide Luster Candy equivalent buff skill at all times. So they're pretty nice I think
@keithlehwald
3 жыл бұрын
The combo you’re thinking of is Thermopylae + Vitality of the Tree, and it’s completely broken. Best non-DLC buff setup in the game.
@demi-femme4821
3 жыл бұрын
Traits in P5R were a neat idea, kinda like Abilities in Pokémon. My only gripe is that it was a stright advantage over your enemies. If I were to bring back Traits in a Persona or Mainline game, I would make sure that the enemies all had traits, too.
@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis
2 жыл бұрын
@@demi-femme4821 like in devil survivor, race skills are available for both your demons and enemy demons
@forcelightningcable9639
2 жыл бұрын
@@demi-femme4821 then again, what in Royal *doesn’t* break the game?
@dogmat8733
Жыл бұрын
@@forcelightningcable9639 True. Even something as simple as your bullets refilling at the end of battle is super useful, especially early on. I suppose one meh mechanic added was Futaba using the Jazz Club allows her to learn Debuff skills.
@rhinestoneage0125
3 жыл бұрын
Here’s a Persona Challenge you could do… It’s always bothered me how Lavenza lost to Yaldabaoth when he attacked the Velvet Room prior to the story in Royal, despite supposedly being more powerful than him (she’s a Velvet Sibling, so her stats are really high and she uses Multiple Personas) So it got me thinking: Can you beat Persona 5 Royal using Lavenza’s Persona Roster? Rules: - you can only use the following Personas throughout the playthrough: Kelpie, Berith, Inugami, Oni, Mithras, Atavaka, Thor, Nue, Lucifer - no glitches and/or exploits - times when you’ll be forced to use another Persona will not count (such as the Prologue) - should the challenge be successful, a bonus quest the player can take is to see if it’s possible to beat Lavenza using Lavenza’s Persona Roster
@incognito200
2 жыл бұрын
I think Lavenza was just taken by surprise TBH.
@TheWolfgangGrimmer
Жыл бұрын
Missed Ose and Anubis.
@Dr.Moogle
3 жыл бұрын
The demon talk skils from SMT 3 do indeed help. They can add additional chances to recruit a demon, reduce how much a demon ask you for stuff and change negative answers to neutral ones. I wouldn't go out of my way to keep or search those skills out but if your demons have them. Then use them.
@RoderickEtheria
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have actually used those Demon Conversational skills. They make it easy to replace your good demons at the beginning of each run. They also give you a second chance if you screw up and pick the wrong answer when trying to recruit demons.
@lucassilvateixeira3730
3 жыл бұрын
Walter ending it thus against the Minotaur
@bluepikmin6363
3 жыл бұрын
"I'LL END IT THUS" *uses Agi on minotaur*
@walter9555
3 жыл бұрын
Well, I did
@Sad-Lesbian
3 жыл бұрын
@@walter9555 Walter funny man
@EventHorizon_Alex
3 жыл бұрын
The day just got brighter.
@kdogkdog4184
3 жыл бұрын
Hope you have Bright Might
@valikoest7981
3 жыл бұрын
what about zan-ei in persona 3? i mean, getsu-ei is kinda useful, since it can be used against the full moon bosses, but zan-ei boosts its power during new moon, which really isn't a special event. I don't think I've ever been in tartarus during a new moon.
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
Жыл бұрын
It's one of those skills better on an enemy than yourself
@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas
10 ай бұрын
The buff doesn't apply exclusively to Full/New Moons. The closer you are to a Full Moon, the more powerful Getsu-ei is, with its power peaking ON a Full Moon. The same applies to Zan-ei, First Quarter is more powerful than Full Moon, but New Moon is more powerful than First Quarter, for instance
@son_1516
3 жыл бұрын
Say it with me everyone ma-ren-ka-ren
@pokere621
3 жыл бұрын
If you buff it it might work
@jarnegi
3 жыл бұрын
Status effects tend to shit but Royal had buffed them. That was neat early game, but felt pointless by the third dungeon. Eh, better that then in P3 where they never land but they seem to always hit your party
@son_1516
3 жыл бұрын
@@jarnegi in p5/p5r they got a semi desent buff. But there's no point in teaching them to your party members cause you can use them as items now.
@sonoda944
3 жыл бұрын
That one's mitsuru's fault, not the skill itself
@son_1516
3 жыл бұрын
@@sonoda944 I would debate other wise but that's my opion
@daz1543
3 жыл бұрын
Recently replayed Devil Survivor and Chaos Wave was actually amazing on my run! I countered the mov loss with Devil Speed which increases mov to 7. Didn't have to worry about dying from no extra turns because the enemies couldn't fight back when they only had 1 range, and when they also had 3 range their own chaos wave meant they also had no extra turns. Devil Speed + Chaos Wave effectively gives you 10 spaces of range which is useful for all the missions that require you reach something quick
@SoulBro12
3 жыл бұрын
Nyarly: Chaos Wave sucks! Me who made a one shot magic artillery build in his first playthrough : *Gulps*
@dantemustdie00
3 жыл бұрын
Depends, end game demons like Arioch, Seth, and Nyarlateph are absolute monsters who can tank hits, but yeah, the Dragon Race can get insane sniper range, it just put's the Vile Race out of work.
@circle3565
3 жыл бұрын
I gotta say at least Chaos Wave is not as much useless as it is just not as great as it should be. I have never encountered one situation where Bind or Evil Bind was useful to the player
@SoulBro12
3 жыл бұрын
@@circle3565 It helped me kill that vampire guy in DeSu whatever his name is xd
@arantir4150
3 жыл бұрын
I had great success with it in DS2. Used another demon that let's you innitiate 3 rounds of combat. That team barely got touched.
@donchindle2958
3 жыл бұрын
I'm just gonna leave all non-instakill offensive magic in SMT2 other than Holy Wrath. They just... don't do more than 30 damage no matter how much magic or int you have.
@Warchief-te9jj
3 жыл бұрын
Well there are special one time conversations certain demons in nocturne have with each other such as Odin or Thor talking to Loki, and these conversations do get you some rare items as rewards.
@koheikyouji
3 жыл бұрын
The Nocturne talk skills were always pretty great for me. Supposing you used the right talk skill against the right enemy, it becomes incredibly easy to recruit and get valuable items. I was getting given great chakras and diamonds on the regular and hardly ever got turned down. Thats an even bigger deal on hard mode. So i definitely wouldnt agree with you saying theyre useless, however I WOULD prefer that talk skills were just something innate that your demons could do based on their race or something, as opposed to taking up my skillslots.
@d3-ll754
3 жыл бұрын
In regards to the SMT3 Demon Talk Skills, there's an argument to be made for Beseech, because Shikigami has it by default and he's only Lvl 04, meaning it's very likely to work on most Demons from, like, Ikebukuro onward. Still that's, like, the only one that's particularly useful.
@96Vladek
3 жыл бұрын
Brainwash (learned by Power) is pretty good, almost guaranteed to work if the talker is 10 levels higher than the target demon. Useful for recruting weaker demons if you want to save money. I want to mention Death Pact (exclusive to Mithra) too, but you get it so late in the game. At this point it's always better to obtain strong demons via fusion rather than negotiation.
@si-level
3 жыл бұрын
pester is good also. pestering lilim can give you free magic mirror, pestering element in amala sometime give you megido rock and lot of money
@96Vladek
3 жыл бұрын
@@si-level Yeah, you're right. I actually discovered these exploits by watching Jim Reaper's Low Level playthroughs. I didn't mention Pester because it's not really necessary to farm Megido Rocks and Magic Mirrors to beat the game, they are very situational items.
@MettanAtem
3 жыл бұрын
Dionysus's Wine Party is actually pretty useful as far as interruption skills go.
@d3-ll754
3 жыл бұрын
@@96Vladek The only time I can think of where farming a Megido Rock in SMT3 is useful is in the first trip through the Amala Network, where it'll one-shot the Specter's little clones.
@sparki9085
3 жыл бұрын
In devil survivor you still get extra turns if you're in "melee combat" you only lose the extra turns if you engage in any of the extra distance. I dunno, mixing vile demons with the ones that increases speed usually works well for me
@mach186282
3 жыл бұрын
Tetracoerce/Makaracoerce may be bad in SMT, but I think it's worth mentioning how their equivalents (Tetra/Makara Break) are even worse in the Persona series. Since there's no Press Turn system, doing the worst-case move of smacking the barrier and taking the reflect on the chin doesn't cost you multiple turns, and it's usually possible to do so with minimal/no damage taken in return. In P5, all your party members Null their own element at max Confidant rank, making attacking into Makarakarn not much of an issue, and for Tetrakarn, you can just fire one bullet at it and take minimal reflected damage. Also, I'd love to see a reverse of this: most useful skills. Or if that's too obvious, skills that are more useful than they look.
@isaaciktaile1118
7 ай бұрын
Nah High Counter has 50% chance if the enemy is the one using it in P4.
@TiredTransbian
2 жыл бұрын
In the Nocturne speedrun, pester is used to get a megido rock in the first visit to Amala, which pretty much skips the boss entirely, so... yes! They have a (niche and unreliable) use!
@HealingGourd
3 жыл бұрын
Babe wake up, Nyarly just posted.
@Kaelp1
3 жыл бұрын
This upload schedule is a surprise but a welcome one
@UltimaKeyMaster
3 жыл бұрын
Also funny thing about only covering P3-5 is there's one skill I would say is this in P1. The Megido line. Not because the spells suck for any reason, Nuke (not Almighty in this game oddly which Frei takes up in P5) but because of how EXP works in P1. The more contribution to a battle a party member has, the more of the EXP spread they get. Which means if you Turn 1 annihilate the entire enemy party? Only one character gets EXP. Oops.
@WalterOfMikado
3 жыл бұрын
#1 Agi in Naraku
@ace-trainer-aj
3 жыл бұрын
*"I'll end it thus!"* Cue Minotaur smirking and killing Flynn's party.
@Dankinh0
3 жыл бұрын
BEHOLD MY DEMONS
@piggytalesremastererDADDY
2 жыл бұрын
A few skill suggestions if an SMT V update comes: 1. the base charge skills, charge and concentrate. before they were pretty neat, and a borderline essential skill, because it would more than double your next attack's power, and save you a bit of MP, so it was a really great skill to have. In SMT V however...they only raise it up by about 1.8x. that seems like a good deal around mid-game, but in my opinion? the better you manage your MP in general, and have better access to MP saving things, the more useless it becomes. Essentially? you deal less damage than If you had just attacked twice. a way better alternative is critical aura. Essentially? you're applying the 1.8x buff already by using the move, and ensuring that the attack doesn't miss. And plus, with the fact that it's a guaranteed critical hit, you can give yourself another turn, allowing for even more long-term damage for less MP, especially when said attack is one where it has a greater effect when it crits, AND if you give said demon critical zealot...that demon's target isn't gonna be a target for very long. (Which is why fionn mac chumhaill is one of my favorite demons in smt v so far) 2. Souffle D'eclair. It's not that it's a bad skill, but it's one of those scenarios where it's on a demon where it can't get any good use out of it. Souffle D'eclair is a magical attack, which loup-garou is a strength-focused demon...I'm pretty sure you know where I'm going with this. 3. The single-ally buffs such as (Taru/Raku/Suku)kaja. Yes, even the ones that raises a stat twice. (not the single enemy debuffs, those are great on bosses and help conserve mp through a good amount of the game) This is really just a matter of preference for me, but with how much they changed buffs and debuffs in SMT V, Those skills don't exactly hold much value. Yes you get them early on in the game before you get access to the multi-ally buffs, but even during the early game it isn't very useful at all considering in order to properly utilize buffs, your entire party needs to be buffed for this sort of thing to actually matter. this in turn also heavily nerfs red capote, to the point to where it's way less powerful of a skill.
@totaldestruction152
2 жыл бұрын
I'd say Patra. Since ailments just wear off after the battle ends anyway.
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
2 жыл бұрын
@@totaldestruction152 Even more so since ailments are hardly present even in normal encounters, and for those situations, you'll have Amrita items
@amimm7776
Жыл бұрын
I got a lot of use out of single targe tarukaja at least, just buff the strongest character before you pop an omagatoki critical for even more damage, also in some bosses I used single target rakukaja alongside taunt to concentrate the damage
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
Жыл бұрын
Red Capote was always single target. The actual nerf that happened is that you can only go to +2, and buffs fade after 3 turns
@mortomultiverse8778
2 ай бұрын
There's a niche case to use Great Logos/Megidolaon over Antichton in SMT IV, because how the AI works, you don't actually want to drop the stats of smarter bosses that have Dekunda to -3, because they will almost always use it inmediately, so in those scenarios you want to keep them at -2 constantly so they're way less likely to use it
@namespelldwrong9779
3 жыл бұрын
>mentions lost word ok so kamui miracle is gonna appear at some point huh? >kamui miracle isnt in the video welp
@tomoroboros
3 жыл бұрын
that's the one I was waiting for
@mikyeediaz120
3 жыл бұрын
I know right >> The only time Kamui Miracle does good for me is knocking my enemies down lol. That's all. Meanwhile it always does negative stuffs to my party... This is so far when I play the game with it.
@CrazyFanaticGamer
Жыл бұрын
Spirit Drain can actually be really useful if you run outta SP and don't wanna use the clock. Go to lower levels with weaker enemies and, even though it's a long chore, you can restore your SP for virtually no cost.
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
Жыл бұрын
Not worth it, just pop an SP item, especially true in P4G because of a certain exploit you can do for infinite SP items
@evilblksamura1
3 жыл бұрын
for the demon conversations part Mitrha is the only demon to learn the skill death pact. what death pact does if the demon doesn't join your party it is now have the stone status for free and demons generally join because of this. I think this doesn't work on demons that can't talk like foul or demons you can't normally talk to anyways like tyrant or raptor race. Another great video Nyarly!
@signor_upb
3 жыл бұрын
Dude,in persona 5 spirit drain literally drains the amount of sp that u need to use the move
@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970
3 жыл бұрын
You get 3 sp. It costs 4 and you get 7, so the output is 3. You can bring it to 2 with spell master, so you "CAN" get 5 if you're that thirsty. But it's still worthless
@f-ergyx4136
2 жыл бұрын
@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 i agree cool breeze or envigorate are better
@CordyMcDonald
7 ай бұрын
Spirit drain was genuinely useful for me in P3R, but that was with the drain boost. Also, I had no idea I had already watched this two years ago.
@muffin2221
3 жыл бұрын
Considering how busted spirit/energy drain is in SMT4 antiticthons sp cost is negligible
@RayquazaNZ
3 жыл бұрын
Liftoma. Mediarahan exists
@toastcrunch9387
Жыл бұрын
In SMT4:Apocalypse, they stripped a bunch of skills of their special abilities and tied them to the smirking system. Salvation used to be really good, until they made it so that you had to smirk to remove status ailments, but the awful part is you can't smirk while suffering from any status, so if you get hit by party-wide status attacks, you can't do anything about it, and even if the demon with the skill doesn't have a status at the time, they still need to happen to be smirking. Overall just a more expensive mediarahan.
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
Жыл бұрын
Nevermind that only 2 demons learn Salvation in IVA - Krishna and Samael. Samael is very high level and has pretty low healing affinity, and Krishna is not accessible until after completing the Cosmic Egg and you use Krishna for the Ragas and Combat Tara anyway
@toastcrunch9387
Жыл бұрын
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 indeed. unironically never mind those irrelevancies.
@louisantonio2462
3 жыл бұрын
One of the best things that you can get out of the demon talk skills in Nocturne is the fact that if the right demons talk to each other, you can get some sweet conversational lore based on their myths! Or you can have Loki call Thor Mr. T. That is indeed a thing.
@bigdingus9333
3 жыл бұрын
My favourite is when any of the archangels (Michael, Gabriel etc) talks to a lower angel. They drop their shit and go “HOLY FUCK ITS LORD MICHAEL”
@fairnbalanced3378
Жыл бұрын
I havent heard anyone point out this attack yet in the comment section, but I think one of the worst skills in p5 is ariadne's beast weaver, this skill gives you colossal physical damage for onky 20% of your hp, however it also gives you an extreme attack debuff to the point where myriad truths feels like it tickles, and this lasts for the rest of the fight rather than three turns like most debuffs in megaten. If that wasnt bad enough, other physical skills like God's hand do similar if not more damage for a barley higher hp cost (25% according to the p5r fusion calculator) which can be obtained at the same time as beast weaver since it's one of the skills that messiah has the moment you summon him from the compendium.
@Muriuki34
3 жыл бұрын
I think a case can be made for one of the ambush skills in P5R. Thermopiles raises all that stats of all allies. Sure, there's another skill that does that, on the tier 3 Persona of Yusuke, but first well, tier 3 Persona, point at which you need to get, and it consumes a shot ton of MP. Thermopiles has none of this disadvantages and, well, there's a Persona ability to get around that.
@MegaScytheman
3 жыл бұрын
god that skill is broken with the ability that makes all battles count as ambushes. That and debilitate made p5r late game hilariously easy
@xyno2112
6 ай бұрын
"You know what else reflects physical skills?" MY MOM!
@Ben-zg8xk
6 ай бұрын
wow
@Clefomatic
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I will say Antichthon shouldn't be overused or relied on. Debuffing a boss too much can trigger then to remove their debuffs or your buffs thus cucking you. Some bosses are less likely to respond with 1-2 debuff stacks on them. Most up to 3. Any further and your just begging for the AI to use Silent Prayer immediately. lol
@forcelightningcable9639
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, sukukaja/auto-suku in p5. I just love skills that take up valuable sp and slot real estate for something that’ll help *occasionally*
@sfisher923
7 ай бұрын
I have to mention Yukari's Basic Attack in Persona 3 Portable because she can't hit the broadside of a barn thankfully Reload did thankfully solve that issue and she rarely misses and it was night and day difference on Floor 5 going from Almost Dying to easily crushing them because i could chain "1 Mores" so much easier Also another infamous P3FES/P3P era move that got buffed to usable in Reload - The one and only Marin Karin
@joshshackelford889
3 жыл бұрын
Lol I was just binging your videos, this is a welcome surprise
@Gabagool
Жыл бұрын
why don't people sound out antichthon
@rubber161
6 ай бұрын
I do not agree with Persona 4's "uselessness" when it comes to High Counter- especially when it comes to the original PS2 version. That game was not as easy as it became with Golden. The nerfed Counter skills made it harder for you to rely on too much, and sometimes switching to a Persona who doesn't have Repel Physical can be a game over. One takes whatever they can get, especially when a Persona cannot inherit Repel Physical and has no better skills than High Counter whatsoever.
@madamaklee
3 жыл бұрын
So, is no one gonna bring up that he has "Curse Thy Enemy" on his Alice in SMT IV even though she's a Special Demon? No? Alright then.
@sapphiredagon
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I did get use out of the demon conversational skills in SMT3. I found that sometimes, I didn't have enough turns to switch to Demi-fiend and use Talk, so having Seduce or Plead (depending on what I needed) made it efficient.
@SapphireCarbuncle009
4 ай бұрын
Genuinely shocked to not hear you mention P4G's Kamui Surprise or non-Reload P3's Oracle when having the discussion of Strange Journey. Both are equally worse since they have a chance to completely drain your resources. Kamui Surprise especially feels egregious since it's only available at the end of the game where Rise likely does the better version of it automatically between turns.
@blackdragoncyrus
3 жыл бұрын
I never used Tetra Break or Makara Break once in my SMT-playing career. =B
@ragnose1
Жыл бұрын
i used the shit out of chaos wave to take advantage of hurting enemies without being able to be attacked back, with a normal speed team playing interception and tank. Its not useless, its just bad to have all your teams use it at the same time. Its a strategy game, you gotta think about how it works in combination with other units too
@Team_Orchid
3 жыл бұрын
I'd say you're underrating the ailment boost in bad weather. Statuses in Megaten are fucking busted and anything that gives them a boost is just a massive help regardless of how often they show up.
@bariyou
3 жыл бұрын
The only good Nocturne talk skill is Beseech since you can use it to instant recruit stronger demons. Stone Hunt is a trade skill that can be useful in the late game to stockpile strong items, or to purchase elementals to fuse fresh Mitamas. Of course the only good speech skill is Dionysus's exclusive: Wine Party which can solve practically any talk related problem.
@emeraldpistol1251
7 ай бұрын
Now that P3R came out, I’d like to see an updated list since spirit drain is great since you can get 20 SP for the cost of 3 SP and it goes to 40 when you have drain boost
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
7 ай бұрын
Still not good. Just heal at the clock
@emeraldpistol1251
6 ай бұрын
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 eh it costs 7 twilight fragments which is something I can’t really see being reasonable unless it’s before a floor guardian fight and you don’t want to use SP items or are low on it
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
6 ай бұрын
@emeraldpistol1251 Then again, if you can't get through ond section of a block to the next guardian without using all your SP, you're doing something wrong
@emeraldpistol1251
6 ай бұрын
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 looking back at what I said, yeah that was pretty stupid considering I don’t even have that problem (fighting only when necessary, defeating the floor guardians, then grind for xp/money/compendium completion). Not sure why I wrote that way but it was 2 AM. I still think the fragments are better used when everyone is low on SP (not sure why you’re still grinding for whatever it is at that point though) or locked chests
@NobleAbsinthe
3 жыл бұрын
Crazy timing my friend, I just uploaded a video on stats in SMT and you upload a video about moves!
@dmua9551
3 жыл бұрын
I think Salvation in SMT IV:A deserved a shout-out. Normally, Salvation is fantastic since it not only full heals but cures all ailments, and, considering you can get it as early as level 69 (nice) in IV by fusing Mahamayuri, it would help you a ton with plenty of encounters in the later game. ... Then in Apocalypse, they locked the ailment cure behind a smirk status, which your healer is probably never going to have at any point. Like, unless you arm them with physical skills or the enemy has a weakness (both of which rely on the healer not having a terrible affinity with such things), so Salvation's upgrade over Mediarahan basically just turns into spending extra MP for a slightly nicer animation.
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
2 жыл бұрын
There is ONE case where Salvation can be useful in Apoc...and that is if it is on Krishna, so long as he at least has Deadly Wind on him, or you have Asahi as partner at all times
@legendofsonic3979
3 жыл бұрын
Disagree on High Counter. Just because it's bad on Narukami and Joker doesn't mean it's a bad skill, it's great on party members.
@johnromero6315
3 жыл бұрын
I'd say the P5 counter skills aren't so bad because you can start getting them relatively early, iirc. I see them the same way I see the lower tier damage spells; decent temporary skills to hold me over till I can get the strong one.
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
2 жыл бұрын
He mentions that the gap between Repel Physical and High Counter is like, less than 2 levels in P4
@Dingle.Donger
7 ай бұрын
Years later in P3 Reload I have a persona with spirit drain and drain boost. That gives me 40SP and spirit drain only costs 3SP. It's nice in mid game before you get accessories that Regen SP. Mitsuru also gets spirit drain (no boost).
@nekogirlbeth123
Жыл бұрын
i think one of the most useless skills in p5 royal is rebellion blade it's really only useful if you forgot to fight the boss for the third will seed in the final palace since generally it'll do far more damage than an all out attack, especially if you baton pass chain into it, but that's it, has no real use against the final boss in my experience hyakka ryouran is also kinda useless since thermopylae with the right persona trait is far cheaper
@therandowanderer
Жыл бұрын
Literally though! Rebellion blade would've been far more useful if we got it earlier on in the third semester.
@nekogirlbeth123
7 ай бұрын
@therandowanderer this vid randomly popped up in my suggested, and seeing this comment, i wanted to mention how great it is that thanks to dlc in p3 reload it finally gets to be useful!
@mrdoh450
Жыл бұрын
KANUII MIRACLEEEEE!!!!!!!!
@Eliwoodfan10
2 жыл бұрын
We can add the recarm line in SMTV.
@dantedisbrow3987
3 жыл бұрын
I kind of expected the status skills from the persona games to be on here
@notvengeful
3 жыл бұрын
Listen, in DeSu 1 I got a massive amount of use out of chaos wave, especially on Abel
@monotonecanadian6825
3 жыл бұрын
Recarmdra is another Skill that's basically Useless. It Full Heals everyone but sets your HP to 1 and Since the Protag is the only one to learn it, you're better off with other healing alternatives
@jesserivera2043
6 ай бұрын
I still find light and dark instakill skills relatively useless when you consider that there is still accuracy and evasion factored in for enemies who are weak to them
@matteste
3 жыл бұрын
I would say that Dekaja and Dekunda are pretty useless in the Persona series due to how limited the buffs and debuffs are there. Only one step and has a limited duration. Just not worth wasting a turn to get rid of them. That in contrast with the mainline games where they are life savers (or ruiners depending if you are at the receiving end). Another one I can think of are the MP drain skills from DDS. Main reason for this is that they were changed from Almighty in Nocturne to Mute ailment which downright cripples them.
@iansinclair2028
7 ай бұрын
On the weather boost passive, in vanilla persona 5 during flu season, it is possible for the reaper to get despair which will insta kill him, and given that they are hard coded to use power charge and mind charge on the first turn if they don't have despair, Weather boost is actually useful for that cheesing strategy, but this trick was patched out in persona 5 royal
@someguyparagon5273
3 жыл бұрын
Now how about a future video discussing worst skills in Megami Tensei that the enemy uses on YOU! Case in point this is a spell in Strange Journey that is one of the worst. BOMB Ailment!
@totaldestruction152
3 жыл бұрын
*Macca beam*
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
Жыл бұрын
Good news is, Brave Heart in Redux makes Bites the Dust and Shuffle a non-threat
@TheDougWay
Жыл бұрын
I like spirit drain in Persona 4. Every time you run low on SP, just go back to the weakest enemies in the game and use a persona with spirit drain and invigorate I, II, and III and you can get a lot of SP every turn. Then just not bother with any of those on your real front lines personas.
@Rahnonymous
3 жыл бұрын
Omni-hitting skills in persona games: Perfection Omni-hitting skills in smt games: And there goes all my turns :/
@pokedude720
3 жыл бұрын
As a persona casual, what makes them so bad in mainline?
@A_bels
3 жыл бұрын
@@pokedude720 if an enemy dodges or nulls, etc, you lose all your turns I believe (I’ve only played DeSu1 and just started Nocturne so I’m not 100% about that)
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
2 жыл бұрын
@@A_bels Basically, Ma-skills in mainline have this problem where if you hit a stray Null, Repel, or Drain, or you miss a single target, you still lose Press Turns, as that takes priority over gaining an extra turn for hitting weakness.
@JulieLamia
7 ай бұрын
@@pokedude720 the Press Turn system means your party gains extra actions on hitting criticals and weaknesses, and *loses* actions if your attack gets dodged, nullified, reflected or absorbed, with the last one entirely ending your turn. And losing turns is prioritized over gaining them, so if you use an AoE move and happen to whiff on one demon, or it happens to cancel your attack, well, there goes a turn someone else could've used. Of course, the reverse can apply on enemies' AoE moves to end their turns, so it can still be fair game.
@alexanderchiang1406
3 жыл бұрын
Hard Deny on chaos wave. The point of Viles is specifically for Day 7/Polaris where most of the units there are dragons/things with more than one range. Yes, they kind of suck in the beginning when your human characters are squishy and can't do much damage but late game, when you get multi strike, megidoloan, and demons with good agility, you can one shot them even with their initiative bonus so turn priority doesn't matter. Also, you can stack chaos wave with dragon flow for sniping shenanigans too. Extra turns don't matter at all late game because most demons will have the ability to snipe because they're either dragons or viles too and not having that extra range means your human characters are bound to get cursed, immobilized, dead, because they can't defend themselves when they don't have range. The game literally has them sit still and do nothing so no healing, no defending, nada. Other than that, great video!
@BrainScratchComms
3 жыл бұрын
Spirit Drain is fairly handy to have in Persona, honestly; even a 15 SP boost can be really helpful for getting through a dungeon in a single pass, if you're willing to just sit in a relatively safe battle for a bit "drawing magic." That's far more useful than Life Drain, which... well, you might as well just pop a healing item at that point. But Persona's pretty stingy about SP recovery since the challenge of enduring a dungeon in as few calendar days as possible is largely contingent on your ability to manage SP in the long haul. Although in Persona 5, your go-to option for that is probably going to be the "SP Adhesive" line of accessories, rather than Spirit Drain or the Invigorate skills. - Lewis
@juro7854
2 жыл бұрын
2:03 I have, only one and it was Wine Party with Dionysus. Any time a demon was hesitant to join, he just offered wine and it was seemingly a guarantee for them to join. Now I only used it on a handful of demons but still I think that is my only exception to that, the rest I never got any use out of them
@Blunette5194
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Brainwash is pretty nice to have on a high-level demon if you have the spare slot come Nocturne's endgame. It's nice if you're trying to pick up specific demons that you either missed or need to fetch for fusion components. While most of the Conversation skills don't amount to much, I feel like it's pretty often that Brainwash just forces the demon you're using it against to join the party instantly. The only problems being skill economy, the level restrictions (You have to be quite over the target's level), and the fact that the Compendium exists if you're not broke.
@Dw7freak
3 жыл бұрын
In P5R, I actually made a demon with the trait "Vitality of the Tree", which let's the user use surrounded skills at any point. I did this for one skill: Thermopylae. This is the only way to do a party-wide Heat Riser before the third semester (won't say who gets it in case of spoilers). It also only costs 30sp, the same as Heat Riser, while the character exclusive version costs 90sp. Since buffs don't stack and only last for 3 turns in Persona, it's super useful. It's too bad there's no Debilitate-All surrounded version or I'd also use that.
@givmi_more_w9251
3 жыл бұрын
@FuckOuttaHere It's an ultimate skill after all. With spell master and tactical spirit it can go down quite a bit actually. And c'mon, SP-renewing items are not that hard to come by in P5R ...
@Khotgor
Жыл бұрын
For Nocturne and Conversation Skill, I generally deleted a bunch of them... except for Stone Hunt. I used it to try to get more stones so that I can recruit one of the four Mitama. One was to get Uber-Pixie to gain extra skills that would make her immune to certain elements, as well as upgrading certain demons such as Kali to become a powerful tank (nearly 900hp + near-max strength to pretty much melt enemies when I was around lvl 70ish)... Mitamas help a lot since levelling all of your demons (even when you get a mass majority to have Watchful like I did) is extremely long and tedious, and upgrading your stats can make a level 50 Kurama Tengu actually function against bosses like Beelzebub and other high-levelled bosses to the end of the game. Other than that, I used the remaining stones to make materials to sell to the merchant so that I can buy the expensive Magatamas on Hard Mode without risking over-levelling.
@Soravlad1337
3 жыл бұрын
2:03 I guess it's a bit late but, the "insist" skill is nice , gives you another chance to get the demon on your side. Sometimes demon is like "yeah yeah ok I'l come" BTW : in the HD version of Nocturne, you can choice wich skills are kept. Life changer !
@dragonmastertheedgeking1595
3 жыл бұрын
9:39 Your name shows that you are also a man of culture
@anthonymk2273
3 жыл бұрын
Glad he didnt go for the obivious Marin Karin joke. In my playthrough of P3, Mitsuru was hitting that skill 4/5 times
@Hyukytribalkit
7 ай бұрын
I saw mitsuru in thumbnail and am already expecting a marin karin rant
@hownot2junk803
3 жыл бұрын
12:03 these skills are why I'm adamant on weather changing skills, like how Pokémon has Sunny Day and all that. It would actually make these skills useful. And maybe each weather type could increase/decrease the damage certain elemental attacks do. Like snow makes Ice attacks do more damage but Fire does less.
@jcnot9712
3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who pronounces it “antik-ton” as opposed to “anti-tikton”? I’ve now heard both Nyarly and Johneawesome pronounce it as the latter.
@10001vader
3 жыл бұрын
the name is anti-cthon (cthon coming from cthonic, an old term for underworld related gods), so your way is def more accurate.
@Ryan91487
3 жыл бұрын
Convo Skills in Nocturne can net the user gems, even stat boosting items such as incenses. It is more successful with certain conversations such as the Seraphs with the whole Divine Class. Or demons of varying myths such as Thor/Odin with Loki or Scathach and Setanta. Demons who are known in myth to have greater chemistry with one another.
@Animekirk
3 жыл бұрын
How about the skills in nocturne that kill the user in order to do less almighty damage than megido to the enemy team. That one I always found to be particularly baffling.
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
2 жыл бұрын
I think that since it is Strength-based, some people abuse Kamikaze to cheese Mot
@JahleelSingh
3 жыл бұрын
The idea for a future video, the origin of skill names. There are barely any videos that tell you with examples what "bufu" and "zio". I want origins of the basic elemental skills but the ones that should be in the video are ones like antichthon, hassouhopa, Freikugel, great logos, etc just to name a few. It would be interesting to find the inspiration for the names of the skills.
@realAsahel
3 жыл бұрын
Thermopylae in p5 vanilla was utterly useless because of the ambush only mechanic but in royal became the most broken skill on attis because of the dying will trait which allowed you to get a full party heat riser at the start of the battle. Made for some really good combos with other passive skills like the auto charge
@temera7712
5 ай бұрын
"Curse" in Persona Q. Enemy takes damage when it's deal damage. Damn its just a "Poison" with extra steps. Useless
@JackSawyerIsTheBest
2 жыл бұрын
Utter useless skills in Nocturne: the ones will full/empty moon. High crit on full magatsuhi etc. In 50 hours of play I only saw them activated like twice 😁 I never take them on fusions but they're native to demons I persuade to join then raise a bit to unlock more fusion slots
@f-ergyx4136
2 жыл бұрын
i agree about bright might bc enemies are aggresive during full kagutsuchi, but dark might is pretty good especially if you fight bosses bc on new kagutsuchi bosses are on their weak phase so you will get more advantage using dark might
@f-ergyx4136
2 жыл бұрын
one more thing bright and dark might not increase critical rate they're guarantee critical on full/new kagutsuchi, they also can be enhanced into might (increase critical rate on any phase) by letting demon change them when level up
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
Жыл бұрын
Dark Might and Bright Might are utterly broken, since they guarantee crits, and against every boss barring Kagutsuchi, you can set yourself up to be on the right phase for the requirement to be met
@firej77
3 жыл бұрын
i'm surprised not to see Zan-ei and Getsu-ei from Persona 3. The attacks where they're only able to recieve a bonus depending on the moon phase
@Fermin-hw5pd
3 жыл бұрын
Remember you can use it on bosses, and that's it, yeah
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
Жыл бұрын
Getsu-ei is at least decent as it's the full moon skill, and thus can be used on the full moon bosses. Zan-ei is terrible
@wmg3341
5 ай бұрын
Quite suprised P3's Mind Charge wasn't mentioned. The fact that it only gave a 1.9x boost made it practically useless, considering using 2 attacks instead would do more damage then a mind charged attack.
@Utka_Ivanov
4 ай бұрын
SP economy, in long battles such as Nyx or Erebus it's quite useful. In P4 i had low on SP items and i had to fight Ameno Sagiri and Izanami with normal attacks and Magatamas (items that inflict 150 elemental damage)
@OmnisTheDemigod
3 жыл бұрын
For the SMT4 footage, were there always black boxes behind the enemies when they are attacked? I honestly cant remember if that was something or if its an emulator issue.
@frostlover
3 жыл бұрын
Emulator issue
@aiis6821
2 жыл бұрын
Ngl i would like to see you do an updated version of this since SMT V released I do think its gonna be hard to come up with much from V
@kichiroumitsurugi4363
2 жыл бұрын
Concentrate/Charge, Souffle d'Eclair, Chaotic Will if used on the Nahobino, Light of Order
@aiis6821
7 ай бұрын
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363hey i did say "hard", not impossible
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