Do you have some tips on getting groceries on a bike? Please share them here so others can learn.
@poetic4
Жыл бұрын
Huge hiking bag
@donntrotter
Жыл бұрын
I use a bakfiets but only because I shop for a whole family. I used to do every other day shopping with just my chrome messenger mini.
@inund8
Жыл бұрын
Arkel makes a pannier bag that is also 30 liter shopping bag. Super convenient. They also make the haul it pannier which I use to strap in my milk (I usually get a 4L jug). I've also used to haul packages or my bike tools.
@inund8
Жыл бұрын
OH I don't remember who makes it, but I have an elastic cargo net that lives on my rear rack. It's so convenient for carrying small things, or delicate things like bread.
@hungryhedgehog4201
Жыл бұрын
Got a cargo bike so I just put them in there.
@PixelShade
Жыл бұрын
One thing I have to say about this experiment is that the "one week of groceries" is very much a car-dependency issue. Since grocery stores are huge, far away and you tend to minimize the number of times you need to go to the store... Once cities transition to more walkable neighborhoods you usually buy what you need for the day in local grocery stores. And in those cases there's often no reason to have more than a backpack and perhaps a simple luggage rack.
@znail4675
Жыл бұрын
Yes, weekly grocery is a very US concept to avoid car trips. Shopping often isn't a big deal with a bike. But twice a week do work as well if you want to reduce trips as once a week is rather bad for fresh foods. I also found it a bit strange that the obvious backpack wasn't among the options for this video as that is what I use all the time. You can fit a lot of stuff in large backpack.
@sillymesilly
Жыл бұрын
@@znail4675what if a grocery store is 10 miles away?
@znail4675
Жыл бұрын
@@sillymesilly Well, living on the countryside is a choice that comes with some downsides. If you don't have time for that travel, then you should consider moving. By if you have time, then that distance isn't a problem, just get an e-bike. If the only road there is a highway, then I would suggest moving.
@questionableabsanity
Жыл бұрын
I'd be curious to see how the taxi, courier and haulage companies adopt cargo bikes to ship things within cities using rail hubs for intercity connections. i believe they are mostly designed around 150kg max loading which gives you an idea of how many riders you would need to replace a haulage truck, courier van or taxi within the "NO ICE" zones. I am also a little concerned about security of goods being transported by bike rather than in a lockable metal box vehicle. I'm sure these things will be solved though!
@haydenfleetwood3347
Жыл бұрын
I live in Bristol in the uk theres bike lanes and walking lanes, but I still only go to the supermarket for a week at a time lol
@gcvrsa
Жыл бұрын
The guy at 1:34 passing behind with a bicycle trailer was *chef's kiss*.
@ClodoaldoMarques-v8n
Күн бұрын
he was already making his life ease
@arthurpizza
Жыл бұрын
After 5 hours of filming I no longer trust that chicken.
@donntrotter
Жыл бұрын
My dude I thought the same thing hahahaha
@katherandefy
Жыл бұрын
Freezer insulated bag … also it’s Canada and it is not hot there. Especially in Alberta. Cold still.
@lianegayler4009
Жыл бұрын
@@katherandefy 31 degrees in Edmonton today, and we're north of Calgary :)
@SeanNicholsEh
Жыл бұрын
@@lianegayler4009 For sure! I'm in Calgary where Shifter is and it's 26 today. But that's also only been the case for the last 5 or so days; and my guess (based on the look of the buds on the trees, the amount of snow on the ground in the shady areas, etc.) is that this was filmed a few weeks ago, back when it was a good deal cooler.
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
Nobody who has ever seen or even Googled "Food Safety" and "Chicken", will ever trust a chicken again.
@michealsont
Жыл бұрын
I like to mix paniers with a front basket for squishy things like bread. I also don't try to fit a weeks worth at a time, since I've got 3 people to feed, one or two days worth at a time works best. Going more often just means more biking!
@lakrids-pibe
Жыл бұрын
I think the most important thing about getting groceries on a bicycle is how easy and convenient it is to drop in and buy a few goceries multiple times a week, when you're passing the local grocery store anyway. It's not a big journey you have to plan out, and you're not forced to look for the shops with big parking lots.
@NickCombs
Жыл бұрын
My solution for bread was to simply buy flour instead. It's an adjustment at first, but a few years later I really don't miss the prebaked loaves. Especially now that I've learned they're considered ultra-processed due to conditioners and preservatives.
@mikebauer9948
Жыл бұрын
@@NickCombs Agreed. I've been baking 80+% of our bread products for the last 5-6 years. Better bread, better (less) ingredients, more flexibility. And no need to contend with squishy loaves on a bike, LOL.
@LoveToday8
Жыл бұрын
How do you feel about a trailer?
@WildBikerBill
Жыл бұрын
@@LoveToday8 The drawbacks of a trailer: 1. The extra width - you're unlikely to be able to ride up alongside cars at a traffic light. 2. The extra drag - aerodynamics, or its lack, is a thing! 3. The extra weight - that's a lot of extra weight just for moving groceries. 4. How does it affect the handling of the bike? 5. Do you really want it connected all the time? It better be easy to connect/disconnect. 6. The need for extra space to store the trailer.
@LeanneGover
Жыл бұрын
I personally love the baskets I use for picking up groceries, because I can take them into the store and they double as my shopping basket. I don’t have to bring or buy any bags then, just my basket and my cargo nets. I also don’t over buy then because I only buy as much as can fit in my baskets.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Baskets as a way of staying on budget. I could get behind this.
@geroutathat
10 ай бұрын
This is the best tip. Carry the basket in and use it as your shopping basket
@valerieloskota3094
10 ай бұрын
Can u recommend a rear basket with rack?
@jirehla-ab1671
10 ай бұрын
@@Shifter_CyclingAre there 2 wheel bikes that have a balancer? And what would be the best alternative to cars in a hot city desert like dubai or riyadh?
@jirehla-ab1671
10 ай бұрын
@@Shifter_Cyclingdo cargo bikes cargo part can also be closed with a big cover and be locked just like the back of the car?
@chrishonmusic7633
Жыл бұрын
Love the takeaway sentiment here about biking as a practical way of getting around and doing life things! I tend not to buy all that much at once so my panniers are more than up to the job for groceries. Additionally, I am a musician living in Washington, DC, one of the more bikeable cities in the US, and I get to most of my gigs by bike! I have a Burley Travoy trailer which can hold my entire keyboard rig (keyboard, stand, and amp), my bass amp (electric bass on my back), or even my upright bass. One great feature of the Travoy is that it has a universal seatpost clamp, so I use it on bikeshare bikes all the time; other times I haul it with my ebike. It also folds flat and I store it under my bed in my studio apartment. I find it to be a much more enjoyable way of getting to gigs than sitting in traffic like I used to back in Los Angeles!
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
I love seeing musicians carrying their gear on a bike. Thanks for sharing your strategy.
@mikebauer9948
Жыл бұрын
Arkel has an open top bag with support straps to hold vertical things in it. I remember them advertisting it with a guitar case sticking out of it.
@Bedfordshireman
Жыл бұрын
I'm always surprised at the amount my panniers can carry. Sometimes I'll look at my shopping trolley and cringe at the thought of trying to squeeze it all in, but it always seems to fit in the end!
@lipp1992
Жыл бұрын
For this reason exactly is why I take my panniers in the store and fill them in the cart so I know if I can take it or not haha.
@geerussell
Жыл бұрын
Great video, I use a combination of rear rack with saddlebag panniers and a big front basket. A couple notes I'd add are I found myself shifting towards smaller, more frequent store trips. Every 2-3 days instead of every 1-2 weeks. A related use case is carry-out food. The lack of a secure, horizontal platform with enough area to accommodate typical restaurant take-away containers was a real inconvenience. Enough that having a relatively large and unwieldy basket permanently mounted on the front was worth it for me. Fun suggestion for a future video: best way to carry a couple large pizzas.
@NaturallyRC
Жыл бұрын
Couple of thoughts from someone who gets groceries on a regular basis using my RAD Power Mini. Go up and down the aisles filling the actual panniers, backpack, plastic bins, etc. you use to transport your grocs home. That way you never overdo it (I still overdo it - see below) and since you'll be loading them up at the checkout, you walk out of the store basically ready to hop on your bike and go. No transfer. Second, buying groceries for a week might work for one person, but not for a family. Instead of one big-ass trip, I have learned to make small trips every few days, as they do in many European cities, or in towns before refrigeration. Food is fresher that way, as well. From a technical standpoint, I bungee a plastic basket/hamper to the rack over my rear wheel, and it comfortably holds two big insulated zippered cloth grocery bags, with the option to put bread and other squishables on top. Nothing goes over the front wheel - can't stand that. A plastic crate costs a fraction of those expensive panniers in the video. I wear a backpack, too, for overflow, since I can't resist a bargain. Yogurt tubs...three for one! Love your channel, btw. Big fan.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Filling up your panniers is such a no-brainer that I should have mentioned in this video. Thanks for adding your voice here 👍🏼
@andrewwigglesworth3030
Жыл бұрын
@@Shifter_Cycling As mentioned in in my other post, I use two rear basket panniers (of the type made by Oxford), and I use them as shopping baskets going round the shop. No shop has ever complained as they're just baskets. It means that I never buy too much to fit in them.
@SuperKurvaszad
Жыл бұрын
"Go up and down the aisles filling the actual panniers, backpack, plastic bins" Man, the security will love that!
@andrewwigglesworth3030
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperKurvaszad Mine are two baskets. You can see exactly what's in them, just like a store basket. I take them into the shop empty and empty all their contents for the till. I could see that putting thinks into a pannier or a bag might raise suspicions, but not the baskets that I use.
@NaturallyRC
Жыл бұрын
@@SuperKurvaszad Could be a function of the city where I live (bags aren't free so everyone brings their own, and grocery security...is that a thing?) but the above is my regular routine at Sobeys, Metro, No Frills, and so far all I've got from staff is friendly conversation around how cool it is that I came by bike (the helmet gives me away). I'll report back, if and when I get side-eye. Cheers.
@fallenshallrise
Жыл бұрын
I have big roll-top panniers and a fun trick I found is that they clip onto the rails of a shopping cart pretty well (on the inside) so you don't have to carry them around and after you buy you can just transfer the stuff directly into the bags as/and after you check-out. I also back the frame bag. A few times when I've been out with no other bags or panniers I've been able to get by.
@codylittlefield7885
Жыл бұрын
OMG I'm going to try this trick!
@Skatted
Жыл бұрын
A packable backpack in your frame bag for emergency shop runs is very handy!
@TorBoy9
Жыл бұрын
Clip your panniers onto the inside of the shopping cart? That's genius.
@andrewseward
Жыл бұрын
I do this too, and if the supermarket does scan-as-you-shop you can pack the panniers as you shop
@SeeNickView
Жыл бұрын
I have trolley bags I extend in my cart to separate groceries as I collect them throughout the store. When it comes to checking out, you already know where to put everything, plus you're using reusable bags. Your idea extends this concept to making things convenient to load on a bike, let alone setting up in a grocery cart. Love the ideas!!
@_bats_
Жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see how these compare to the lowest-tech options: trying to carry it all in a backpack, or the classic shopping bags on the handlebars. Obviously not ideal but I do see a lot of people doing that so it might be useful to see how bad those options really are. Edit: I used to use a backpack, but that wasn't a great solution because it really limited how much I could carry. Switched to panniers and my life is so much better. Not only can I haul way more stuff, the load distribution is vastly improved and it feels way easier to cycle even with heavier loads.
@kytkosaurus
Жыл бұрын
Been there, done that. A good backpack is a usable option for city bike, with upright position, where you can keep your back straight. Not a good one, not a comfortable one, just usable. I would take panniers immediately. The only reason why I do it sometimes is because we have shared bikes here without rear rack and with very small front baskets. If you can't ride your bike in upright position, it's just too uncomfortable to try hauling anything heavier in a backpack. Maybe if you have it downhill all the way from the store, it would be worth it riding up with empty backpack. As for the bags on handlebars, it is possible with light bags and very low speeds, but really not for unexperienced riders. What Tom said about handlebar baskets, that it takes some getting used to and making balancing and steering more difficult, is orders of magnitude more pronounced with bags on the handlebars. With the added complication that they fling around much more, transforming themselves into a pendulum, and ram into the sides of your front wheel. Could be still worth taking the bike with you for the trip to the shop, but I would recommend walking it back with heavy bags carried like this (or hanging from the sides of the frame. Probably beats carrying them, if they are really heavy. (this is something a lot of cyclists underestimate, the bike can be useful tool even in situations, where you cannot ride it.) Of course a handcart would be much better for this, but if you don't have one available or if it's worth it taking the bike for the trip to the shop...
@davidraygun554
Жыл бұрын
I put plastic grocery bags on my handlebars as a very last resort. Even lighter items like breads or yummy coffeecake. The swinging around bothers me more so than the added new weight. It still gets home, but I am not a happy camper until I am eating the coffeecake with my coffee. It could just be me. I don't mind items piled high in the rear secured with a bungee cargo net as it is not distracting.
@spiritsofthesky
Жыл бұрын
Having done both, I wouldn't recommend putting bags on your handle bars. It really messed with my balance and steering, plus I'm always paranoid a bag will rip on the way home. A backpack will work well if you can pack it well. Although we tend to buy bulk items, so I'm more unsteady while riding.
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
Bags on bars is dangerous stupid
@zdeneknovak5276
Жыл бұрын
Your bum hurts more (every kilogram counts). Your saddle gets worn faster. Your back sweats more. Your balance is worse, since the weight is as high as possible on a bike.
@MissCarreautee
Жыл бұрын
I learned that hauling groceries on a bike really doesn't have to be complicated. I just use a large backpack and a front basket, sometimes have to hang a small bag on a handle. I found out that riding with the haul is acutally much easier on my back than walking with it as the weight is much more spread out (plus it's faster) It's so easy I even do my zero waste groceries (bringing my containers back and forth) by bike!
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Doing most things on a bike is less complicated than many people think. Thanks for sharing.
@SteffiReitsch
Жыл бұрын
Backpack? Naa man. A load on your back sucks. That's the worst option.
@Alina_Schmidt
Жыл бұрын
@@SteffiReitsch I use a bagpack if not all groceries fit the back basket. It’s less comfortable than just back basket, but it‘s still the easiest since I usually have it with me already.
@SteffiReitsch
Жыл бұрын
@@Alina_Schmidt Naa, still no good. What you need when you go to the grocery store is a BIKE TRAILER. I use my dog trailer. It has a quick disconnect hitch. I can load it up with a bunch of groceries or other suff when I want to haul extra cargo or take my dog with me somewhere. I still have the milk crate as well. Google "Sepnine Large Dog Trailer" and see what I mean. This is the one I have and I highly recommend it. Hauls up to 88 pounds of stuff and it's fairly light. If you're going to be a car free bike person , it's essential to have a good trailer on hand.
@JustaGuy_Gaming
Жыл бұрын
One simple solution to that "bouncing out of the trailer/basket" issue is bags. As long as every thing fits in a bag, either standard grocery bags or those cloth bags you shouldn't have an issue. You can tie them shut, or I like to run a strap/bungee cord across the basket and loop the handles of the bags with the cord. It holds them all together and down so things generally can't fall out.
@gingermany6223
Жыл бұрын
I have a long tail cargo bike with a big front rack that I use for taking kids to school and doing grocery runs. I can carry three grocery bags on the front basket and put 4 more on the back. I use heavy duty reusable grocery backs and loop the handles over the kids seats in the back and they rest perfectly on the running boards. Works great and I still have a little room left for a backpack or small bag if needed. Edit to add: this is for a family of 6!
@Amir-jn5mo
Жыл бұрын
Gigachad shopper
@superfly2449
Жыл бұрын
I usually use the hang-a-plastic-bag-on-the handlebars method, but I live 10 minutes from the store. I go several times a week.
@adogswimming1474
Жыл бұрын
Wow! That's amazing! What general area do you live at?
@BrentDaughertyMe
Жыл бұрын
What kind of bags are big enough to loop over a child seat? Sounds like a great setup.
@gingermany6223
Жыл бұрын
@@BrentDaughertyMe I have the same rear seat set up that EBike Escape has on their Radwagon4: kzitem.info/news/bejne/142Oz4Cti2OkmGU so it is a bit easier to loop the grocery bags over the seat backs. They are just standard reusable bags with a flat bottom and sides.
@JTChi
Жыл бұрын
I use Burley Travoy Cargo trailer for my grocery shopping. The trailer also works as a shopping cart!
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
If you don't mind the Travoy's tendency to flip over when towed.
@lowtechleon9874
5 ай бұрын
I am Daly commuting with a roadbike. What works great for me is, for a week worth of groceries I use a trailer similar to yours with a box zmthat fits it. For little things I have a foldable 20l backpack that folds really small inside of a pouch on my saddle. It holds a full basket at the supermarket and I can spontaneously get what I need.
@altonbarkley
Жыл бұрын
I'm a 68 year old retiree and have just purchased a Kona Dew Deluxe to do errands including groceries. My solution for groceries is a nice rear rack and a set of Raleigh grocery panniers. They fold up flat when they aren't needed for hauling. They open into mesh square baskets that can perfectly hold two full reusable shopping bags. You can store your grocery bags and bike lock in the folded up panniers. The panniers are a permanent setup on the bike. Cost? 70$ on sale for 50$ at Canadian Tire of all places. BTW, I went with the Kona instead of an electric because I didn't want to deal with battery charging.
@meera6024
Жыл бұрын
The great thing about having a Brompton is that you can use it in ‘trolley mode’, fold it and wheel it around by the handlebar a shop. As the luggage is attached by a block to the frame there is no affect on handling and no need to leave your bike outside.
@blortmeister
Жыл бұрын
I pop my panniers onto the grocery cart, so when I'm packing them, they are supported by the cart just like they would be on my bike. And I have to agree; electric is a game changer! This was my first winter car-free. Now sure I'm on Vancouver Island, so rain is probably the biggest deal in the winter (only 6 or 7 snow days this year), but I would go out for coffee, pop round the store, and head home to cook. Worked really well--easier than I expected to transition.
@mikebauer9948
Жыл бұрын
exactly. they come in with you, and easier to pack off the bike after checkout at the register.
@G60syncro
Жыл бұрын
I'm with you with the rain deal!! This year in southern Quebec we had it good this winter, for the most part... A few weekends we had rain after the first snowfall, but during the week there were no big deal breaker days where it's just shit weather to get to work. Most of this winter was actually just cold enough to keep thing frozen and dry but never mad cold... except that one friday of -44* and part of the weekent too!! Other than that, it was nice!! When it snows, no problem!! I'll take the powdered rain anytime over the real stuff regardless of ambient temperature!! If it rains in the morning, I'll drive to work for convenience. If they call for rain during the day but it's nice when I leave, then I don't care how sloppy I am when I get back home!!
@blortmeister
Жыл бұрын
@@G60syncro I live on the Wet Coast, so some rain is inevitable and expected. But there were only a few really brutal days this winter. I used to live in Oilberta on a farm, so cycling was mostly out of the question. But I did know some cyclists who would be out in the snow at -30 on their commute. I think their example has made it easier for me to put up with very bad weather. Thankfully I live in a fifteen minute town, so I'm never out too long.
@cathiek8028
Жыл бұрын
Great info! Thanks! For what it's worth, here's how I've been grocery shopping with my (all human-powered) bike: a simple back basket with bungee cords. I have a bike trailer, too, but only use it for really heavy, bulky stuff. Panniers are a no-go because of the theft factor and having to haul them on and off. Back to baskets. Important thing is that the basket has open spaces to thread the bungee cords through. For fragile items like bananas and eggs, I thread the straps of a bag(s) (double-bag plastic bags if you still have those where you live) through the open spaces on the basket and let them dangle out the basket sides and back (above the wheel, of course). For large loads, you learn pretty quickly how to creatively stack and then fasten things down with bungee cords. (Note: make sure your rear wheel can handle the extra weight.) I don't use a front basket for the same reason as in the video. For rainy/snowy days, I just bring a big garbage bag or two and line the basket bottom and bungee a garbage bag over the top of the groceries. (Another note: before loading your bike, find a place to lean it against. I usually use an outside wall of the grocery store, near the bike racks.) And voila! One memorable trip was when I used to have a set of double metal baskets on the back and happily brought home a real 5 foot Christmas tree, balanced and bugeed over the double baskets. The looks I got! :) Happy riding, everyone!
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
panniers can clip on shopping cart
@cathiek8028
Жыл бұрын
@@whazzat8015 Thanks, although I can't leave the panniers on my bike, even on my porch, in my 'hood, and I like just having the basket always there. No one's tried to take the basket yet (although I did have my pedals stolen once.) ;)
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
@@cathiek8028 Pedals? LOL/ouch. I throw the Brommie into the cart, if I use it, or the panniers if I take a big bike. I do "euro" shopping, small, frequent, just not up to Costco. But I could.
@jimspies2775
Жыл бұрын
I do grocery shopping on the regular by bike. You covered a lot of it. I use rack/panniers, and can pretty easily get groceries for the week for family of 3. You have to be choosy about what you buy; dense things are better. But we eat very few things like chips. And drink mainly water so no soda, etc. The only advice I would give is I take my panniers in with me (as they are kinda expensive Ortleibs), and tell the cashier that I don't want bags at all, just put the stuff back in the cart loose. Then I pack the panniers myself at the bike so I can ensure heavy stuff on the bottom and balace the load.
@mardiffv.8775
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, as usual. 1. For the light loads up 20 kg/ 44 lbs, panniers and baskets do fine. 2. Heavy loads, like a crate of beer of cat litter, a trailer will do. Great if you already have a E-bike. Maximum load capacity up to 40-45 kg/ 90-100 lbs. But with panniers you can carry up to 65 kg/ 145 lbs. 3. Super heavy loads, a E-Cargo Bike will be excellent. For loads up to 100 kg/ 220 lbs. Yet very expensive.
@anitamcentofanti3277
Жыл бұрын
I use two Po Campo grocery paniers. Each one holds one full grocery bag and when not in use, they lie flat against wheel. They are easy to take on and off and you can still have a panier bag (for locks, tools, phone) on the top of the rack.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
I've not tried these, but I've seen them in action and they look like great options. Thanks for sharing!
@greenpurl8482
Жыл бұрын
I live alone and grocery shop with my folding Brompton and a backpack. When folded into its shopping cart mode, I can immediately know when I've reached my limit, as I can bring my bike into the stores. I always shop with a list but try to accommodate impulse items with a smaller shopping bag that I hang from the handlebar. I also always keep an assortment of bungie cords and a net in my basket for further flexibility. Although I have a Burley Travoy, I find it cumbersome unless I plan to purchase large/heavy/bulky items like cases of cat food and litter. I like the trailer, but unless the shopping carts at the store have a lower shelf, it will not fit into the shopping cart with the bike and I cannot manage the bike in its shopping cart mode and carry the trailer. I've learned by trial and error which stores are both bike and trailer accessible. My front basket attaches to the frame, not the handlear, ad has a 20 lb. limit. I've also learned that I have to be careful that whatever I put in it doesn't interfere with the handlebars. I load my basket and backpack the same as the baggers at the store - big, stable items on the bottom with fragile items on top. If I could not bring my bike into the store and did not have a trailer, I think I'd make a list before heading to the store and envision where I would carry the items. Flexibility is key and I would recommend carrying a small shopping bag to hang off the handlebar if needed.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
The Brompton in shopping-cart mode is 🔥
@antimatter007
Жыл бұрын
Great video! When my kids were small we bought a two kid Burley trailer. Now that they're riding on their own we use the trailer for groceries: 50kg at at time!
@hngldr
Жыл бұрын
I used to regularly bike back with ~100 to ~200 lbs of groceries from Haymarket downtown Boston to where I lived about 15 miles away. I had a chest freezer that I would fill for later as you could get killer deals there - one time last fall I got fresh Salmon for ~$2/lb - that load wound up being about 180 pounds (not all salmon ofc though) - I measured it after. All just panniers and the like. That's pushing it for not having a trailer or cargo bike but honestly it was fine - like he says once you get going you don't notice nearly as much difference as you'd think. I used some cooler backpacks I bought from Walmart that cost $50 each and that I converted to panniers for about $20 more. One thing I recommend - I got a Topeak expandable bike rack bag and an expandable backpack as a gift, and I really like the expandability for big trips in particular because then if I got overzealous it gave me a stopping point when I'd have to expand a bag. If you just have giant bags or the like, it's easier to get more stuff than you have room for before you realize and its too late. The expandable bags give a stopping point and some emergency storage.
@tconnolly9820
Жыл бұрын
You had 180lbs or 80kg on your bike??? Just on the back rack and a backpack???? That's really quite amazing if true. I've pulled a trailer that weighs 13kg with over 70kg in it and that's a pretty substantial load. I have to say I'm really astounded at those weights!
@hngldr
Жыл бұрын
@@tconnolly9820 yup! Big back panniers, medium front panniers, expandable trunk bag on top of back panniers/rear rack, big bikepacking triangle bag, stuff strapped to pizza front rack above front panniers, expandable backpack, and a partridge in a pear tree lol
@Onimaru924
Жыл бұрын
I bought a Burley Coho bike trailer for shopping in the summer here. Between that and bike panniers, I've never struggled to get groceries home. And the Coho is single wheel so it tracks behind the bike better than a 2 wheel trailer. Just added the optional rack to it so I can add panniers to the trailer. Super handy and could also be used for a bike packing trip with how rugged it is.
@sinatrabone
Жыл бұрын
Nice! I do the same, but with my Burley Flatbed trailer. I went with the high capacity, slightly cheaper option, and it’s awesome. But I do wonder how the CoHo would compare. I’m sure the singletrack feeling is fantastic.
@definitelynotacrab7651
Жыл бұрын
I can answer the questions of why the cargo trailer feels so much more different than on the bike. It all has to do with momentum and inertia, when the groceries are on your bike, they have a high initial inertia (tou=moment of inertia x angular acceleration) to overcome but once youre moving its linear momentum (rho = mass x velocity vector) encourages continued movement. On the bike alone theres only 1 system to calculate for these parameters, the bike. However with the cargo trailer it now has a separate system of inertia and momentum, and when on the hill has a seperate donward gravatational pull vector acting as another form of inertia to overcome. Thats why it feels so unwieldy for the same weight. Great video, ive been doing all of my grocery shopping on bike since stumbling onto toyr channel, its so much better that doing it by car
@MrTwostring
Жыл бұрын
There's a video on FB of a guy who made a folding two-by-four that sticks out the back of his bike. He unfolds it straight back and hangs grocery bags on it. The video shows him barely able to control the bike and yet there are people in the comments saying that this is a good idea for narrow paths. I stupidly got sucked into the comments. I finally gave up -- told the people to try it, take pictures, and get back to me. I almost thought Tom was reacting to this video.
@@whazzat8015 Exactly - and yet people are advocating for it in the comments - saying it's good for narrow paths. Like falling over would be good for a narrow path.
@davidmoto02
Жыл бұрын
I have a collapsible basket attached to my rear pannier rack, so I simply put the whole grocery bag into the basket after shopping. The basket added a little weight to the bike but it is handy to use.
@Ryan_hey
Жыл бұрын
I use a used milk crate as a basket, and a dutch-style front rack. I usually use the front rack for attaching a backpack or any odd objects (compost bin, etc.). Works great!
@mielimedina3146
Жыл бұрын
Nice, I’ve also been using a milk crate in the back for my grocery shopping, and since I live about 4 blocks away from the store, I can go pretty often and not have to buy so much at a time! I can fit a surprising amount in that little thing!
@SnoopJeDi
Жыл бұрын
I have a rear rack with a collapsible Wald basket on each side, and they're perfect, re-usable bags like the ones you used fit right into them, and when I'm not using them, they fold up out of the way. I prefer to use insulated bags with a zipper, which helps keep rain/snow out of my groceries if the weather is inclement, and keeps things cold if you have a longer way to ride. I usually clip a cargo net over the whole thing, which is very helpful if something is on the rack as well. Packing the bags can be tricky, it's easy to pack one side heavier than the other, and also easy to pack the bag in a way that causes it to bulge and not fit into the baskets, but it just takes a little fiddling once I'm outside the store. My biggest problem with this is that the rack does not have a mounting spot for my rear light, so it's mounted on the seat tube instead, and a full load tends to obscure the light 😬
@geoffreyhoney122
Жыл бұрын
Heya. I had the rear light problem too. I zip tied my super bright Bontrager Flare R to the back of my helmet. Always with me. Always on.
@47f0
Жыл бұрын
I've ridden for years with at least one Wald 582 - indispensable, and the knockoffs absolutely do not compare. But I've also used a trailer for about six years. It's there when I want it, and the rest of the time I've got my normal bike.
@coolsteven2
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for creating this video. So many naysayers against improving public infrastructure and micromobility is that they can't do grocery shopping without a vehicle.
@bigwheelsturning
Жыл бұрын
I have a trailer I made from "stuff" that can carry a months worth of food. And I make to panniers from Costco laundry soap containers (the square ones) that can hold a full shopping bag each. I carry two "fold up" panniers that I use for small shopping trips. Last week I carried home (3 miles) five 3/4"x 10ft PVC pipes. Easy Pezy.
@colbyfahrenbacher4155
Жыл бұрын
I attached a pine wood crate on my rear rack and have loved it for how low of barrier for entry it is and how easy it is to modify. I almost exclusively use it to buy groceries, and I either use two reusable bags that can fit in the crate side to side, or one larger bag that fits with room to spare. I spend vary little time fiddling with loading up the bike, the bags just go straight in and off I go. I don't have a net, but I've never had anything fall out.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Amazing. This sounds like a slightly stepped-up version of the venerable milk crate. Glad it’s working 👍🏼
@bitplik
Жыл бұрын
You missed the Burley Travoy trailer- I like it because I can use it as my shopping cart in the store too. And it folds down for easy storage. Combined with a couple of panniers, makes for lots of cargo capacity.
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
Flips like a remodeler on HGTV. Wouldn't carry anything that you wouldn't want to drag.Gotta tow it real slow and watch out for any pavement irregularities. Very stashable.
@johnboxxy3432
Жыл бұрын
I have a Dutch style bike. I put around 5kg on the front rack held with flat bungie cords On the rear I have quick release Ortlieb panniers which I load in the shop with about 15kg. Panniers bring the centre of gravity down making the bike more stable. This setup is adequate for beer and groceries. Please, please get yourself a camera clamp. One day you may need to grab the handlebars quickly and risk damaging yourself or the camera.
@geoff5623
Жыл бұрын
I have a Doggyride trailer that's sometimes a little awkward to load with large items because of how it opens with zipper flaps, but has been great to have every so often for hauling things (I've done comparable weight to a large dog in pet supplies). It folds up rather compact and the wheels easily pop off, and I can just keep it behind my bikes on their wall rack. Unfortunately I was never able to get my dog over his anxiety about riding in it to take him places that are too far to walk but not far enough to make renting a car share worthwhile. My one gripe is that the mount to the bike uses a spring, so especially when you're climbing a hill or carrying a significant weight it stretches and springs back on each pedal stroke, making the weight feel more cumbersome. For grocery trips, I have an insulated backpack, and just need to be mindful of how much I purchase - not much of an issue when it's only a few km to the store though. Specifically for shopping, I've seen some really simple tote pannier bags that would be easy to load up at the checkout and just clip onto your rack after. They also look basic enough that i would be less concerned about just leaving them on the bike most of the time, since someone is less likely to steal them (and can see that there isn't anything in them worth trying to take).
@GloriousSimplicity
Жыл бұрын
One thing to mention about baskets and trailers is that your items might get covered in road spray from the tires when it's wet. In regards to why the trailer takes more work is because you have added two tires which doubles the rolling resistance. Twice the amount of friction and probably 1.5 times the moving mass inertia to overcome.
@cathiek8028
Жыл бұрын
I have fenders on both wheels and my trailer came with a waterproof cover so that all works out okay.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Fenders certainly help reduce spray, but this is a good point. That’s why a trailer with more of a box might be a better option than my irrationality beloved IKEA trailer.
@cathiek8028
Жыл бұрын
@@Shifter_Cycling Your IKEA trailer is the bomb.
@714mattman
Жыл бұрын
I would add to this comment that it is not just the extra wheels that makes a trailer feel more of a drag. I would expect that a trailer weighs much more that panniers or baskets attached to the bike.
@47f0
Жыл бұрын
My bike and I mass a bit over 200 lbs. 1.5*200 = 300 lbs? Where are you buying your trailers?
@82gamerprincess31
Жыл бұрын
To me the best combo is the rear basket plus a backpack. Keeps the weight off your handlebars and can haul a good amount. Maybe keep a kid hauler style trailer that is weather resistant for when you need to haul things in the rain or bigger items.
@AndrewCostelloSuperCanadian
Жыл бұрын
For small-medium trips I use a pair of Banjo Bros grocery panniers in the rear with a Soma Porteur rack in the front. My insulated grocery bag fits perfectly in the pannier and large bulky items can go on the front rack. For larger trips I use a Schwinn Porter bike trailer. Similar dimensions to the IKEA, but with fabric sides and an included cargo net. Besides groceries, I’ve gone to the pet store and picked up large bags of cat food and litter. I’ll be getting an electric cargo bike very soon, likely the R+M that you showcased here. That will let me venture to a much denser area and make the return trip up a big hill.
@geoffreyhoney122
Жыл бұрын
What a wonderful topic for urban cycling and so well done Tom!! I bike year round here in Hamilton and you are so right. Any day that you can be out on the bike is a good day! I especially like shopping for two, for the week, because of the challenge. I have and love my Burley trailer (great capacity 2+ bushels easily) but awkward to get up and attached (have to lock it as well). Love panniers but use them mostly for touring. Don't want to get the ripped off. My sweet spot go to for ease and capacity is not in your video, but I picked it up from our eldest when they went to Uni in Guelph: an old milk crate zip tied to a back rack. I throw in 3 or four cloth handled bags that I can tie to the hard plastic handles of the crate: both sides and the back and it's like having 3 extra instant attachable panniers in addition to the crate's capacity! Even the outrigging balances neatly. Cheaper than baskets, even, and super light weight and stuff won't pop out because I have tied the handles of all the cloth shopping bags. No one will steal a zip tied milk crate or cloth reusable shopping bags! You are right on about not feeling the weight when it's actually ON the bike. If our family was not grown up (i.e. still young kids) I would buy that cool Riese &Mueller! Thanks for this inspiring video and I will check out 2WheelGear! So great to have a channel thatis not about racing but is about practical bike riding! I love what you produce!
@GreenJimll
Жыл бұрын
I've got an old bent detachable wire basket on the front of my skip find beater bike, a set of £15 Wilko panniers on the rear rack and sometimes a homemade wooden box on top of those (mostly for shipping plants around). Amazing what this can shift.
@saynotop2w
Жыл бұрын
I used to hang dish racks I found in dumpsters with zip-ties for bike basket lol. Having to be thrifty means creativity.
@krob9145
Жыл бұрын
A clip on basket works for a few days shopping. It can be taken instore loading as you select items. For a weeks shopping or more my Ikea pannier works. I put a shoulder strap on it so it goes instore for loading. For heavy duty or large shopping items I take the Burley Travoy trailer. It can be unclipped and used as a shopping cart instore so you just have to clip the loaded trailer back on your bike when you're ready to ride. All are great when you shop in multiple shops or one supermarket.
@yehoshua2099
Жыл бұрын
I use panniers for groceries most of the time i love using a bakfiest(box bike) but i do not own one i think for larger trips a trailer is a good option although all this is coming from a teen who doesn't do the shopping, just quick trips to the store.
@bugsygoo
Жыл бұрын
I bought an Ikea bike trailer for big shoping trips in Copenhagen. I also have an irrational fondness for it🤔.
@rbranch234
Жыл бұрын
For a good amount groceries I use the Burley Travoy. It attaches to the seat post (I think they have an adapter for attaching it to a rear basket too) and with the upper and lower baskets is rated to haul 60lbs. With a quick flip of the latch it can be disconnected and taken in the store and used as a shopping cart.
@larry4674
7 ай бұрын
We use a Burley flatbed trailer with a plastic tote from Home Depot bungeed to it. It works great and has enough capacity for a family of three for a week. I also use it for going to the pet store to get cat litter/food and other errands. I think it weighs 14lbs and has a 100lb capacity. I just put it up on end and lean it against a wall when not in use. It takes up very little room. Highly recommend!
@christophersmith7703
Жыл бұрын
I've been using my bike for grocery shopping for the last 3 years and not going back to driving. It takes me 25 minutes total to shop, from the time I leave my apartment to rolling my bike into my kitchen to unload my groceries. One thing I changed was my thought process on how much I should buy. People typically grocery shop once a week, because they are thinking about the gas they are burning to get to the grocery store, so people tend to hoard food because there is a sale or something and want to spend less on the cost of driving there. This is what leads to food waste. I grocery shop twice a week and buy what I need for the next 3 - 4 days. I have a single speed bike and use one Ortlieb 40 liter pannier. Also I use the cart corale for bike parking but that's another story.😂
@davidcoutts9070
Жыл бұрын
My personal preference is a cargo trailer. I have two e-bikes and both are fitted with the hitch. My cargo trailer has enclosed sides, tie down loops and a flexible cover that is clipped in place. The draw bar can be folded back and the wheels removed easily for storage of the trailer when not used, if desired. I am fortunate enough to be able to leave my trailer set-up and in ready mode to hitch up and be on my way. The selection of which e-bike is based on the load I plan to carry. One e-bike has a 40Nm torque spec and the other is 80 Nm, so if I have a heavier grocery load, it will be the 80Nm machine. The reason for the torque concern is that I live in the Canadian Rockies and I have a 15% grade to tackle. If push comes to shove, I will get off and walk the bike up the grade and with its motor assist, it is basically just steering it as we walk together. If it is a light grocery run or a visit to the post office or hardware store, the 40Nm machine can do the job. The grade is a bit of a challenge in the 40Nm machine even without extra cargo, but I can do it. The 40Nm machine also has frame mounting points for the front basket and I have panniers as well, so lighter loads are great on that e-bike. I would never be able to tackle the trip on an acoustic bike and as an older rider with a bad knee, e-bikes came along at the right time. I see more and more of my fellow citizens using bikes in whatever form; electric or acoustic and it is quite encouraging to see more parking spots for bikes springing up and eventually we'll see protected lanes as well. Thanks, Tom, for the interesting perspective on bike riding in general. You have presented lots of information that made me think a lot about modes of transportation. I look forward to my bike outings even if it is mundane stuff like getting groceries.
@fatbikejamie
Жыл бұрын
When i use my bike to go to town to get groceries I generally load up the panniers. A trailer might be in my future. BTW: it was entertaining watching you ride around a Canadian Netherlands... for me to get to town it's 20km with 100m of climbing- each way. 😂
@tconnolly9820
Жыл бұрын
20km with a loaded trailer with 30-50kg load and hills is pretty ambitious ride. That's your workout for the day taken care of!
@fatbikejamie
Жыл бұрын
@@tconnolly9820 it's the price i pay to avoid the city. I'd live further away, but here on PEI you can only go so far before you find more people... or water. 🤣
@donaldgillmore7390
10 ай бұрын
Put a storage tote in that trailer to protect contents from the weather and from falling out. It rains here on Vancouver Island a lot from November through April. I shop for a family of 4 in a rural area and almost always use a single wheeled Kolofogo seatpost-attached cargo trailer that holds a 102L strongbox style tote with the lid zip tied to the tote on one side to form a hinge for quick open/close. I find that bags require more fiddling than I like to get stuff in and out of, especially if I'm making mulltiple grocery store stops and/or carrying frozen or refrigerated items in insulated bags. Yes the trailer slows the bike down, but it makes up for that in convenience and speed of packing and unpacking., and the plastic tote is totally weatherproof. If the weather is really bad I just hose off the trailer and tote when I get home. 40km round trips are not uncommon.
@monopolyn
Жыл бұрын
I used to use panniers for groceries but I switched to a basket with an insulated bag (sort of similar to what food delivery drivers use). I live in a tropical country so it’s quite a challenge to bring frozen goods home. I also added a net with hooks to cover the basket for a little security
@parshimers
Жыл бұрын
brompton bikes are great for this. it's a shopping cart when folded up with the easy wheels, and the 28L roll-top bag can carry as much as those panniers easily. the rear rack can carry something as big as a case of beer or 24pack of soda cans.
@davidraygun554
Жыл бұрын
I have been using my bicycle to haul 3 weeks of groceries in one trip for over 12 years. I became fed up with the cost of owning a car, so I fired it and hired a bicycle. It worked much better than I thought it would.I tried a couple of different panniers until I came across the one I still use today, though, on my second one. The first one lasted over 5 years. It is ArcEnCiel brand for the second one, and the first one was Roswheel. They both look the same to me. I had to get over the ugly green colour and huge logos. I have a trailer that looks like yours. I tried hard to find one like yours as it would have matched my white bicycle so nicely. Oh well, black goes with everything. I could probably get over a month's worth of groceries in it, but I don't use it much as it is always a pain to attach it to the hitch, and the worst part is finding secured place to park and lock it without blocking people's way. It's hard enough with just a bicycle, let alone adding a caboose. I bought an E-bike last year. I had to either have the E-bike come with a touring type back rack or none, and I will buy my own. The Biktrix I bought came with a back rack that works well with the huge panniers. Now, I only need to keep track of volume and not so much about weight. I also use a bungee cargo net for items piled on the flat part of the rack. The straps and buckles are not long enough if the pannier is filled up all the way. I use 2 mini bungee cords to make the connection. The buckles never broke even with the tightest connections. Those are my details of grocery shopping for over 12+ years.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Amazing to see your evolution. Thanks for sharing.
@jerrytwolanes4659
Жыл бұрын
Man, I wish I lived in a safe, bike friendly community
@cathiek8028
Жыл бұрын
My community is not safe or bike-friendly but I keep on riding anyway. When drivers get mad I'm on "their" road, I've realized that's okay because it tells me that they see me. When they throw something at me, they realize how hard it is to hit something and drive at the same time and that makes me laugh out loud. ;)
@anarchel
Жыл бұрын
I've been doing this in Seattle with my Thule and Banjo Brother panniers for about 6 years now, and I love it, my trips are so quick and I get views with exercise. One big con is that sometimes I buy too much and have to ride with one hand or walk the bike, worst case the bike is a mobile grocery cart, it even beats a car as it can take groceries to your apartment door (if elevator permits). Don't edit your bike falling at 3:38 haha , it's part of the experience.
@merendell
Жыл бұрын
I favor panniers. My normal every day configuration is a trunk bag that mounts on top of my rack. Moderate capacity and has 2 small fold out panniers for extra room if needed. IF larger items or just bulk is needed I put on 1 or two of my larger side panniers. They can fit on in tandom with the trunk bag so I can fill both the sides and the top with items. I can even open the trunks little panniers and they jsut kinda sit on top of the bigger ones down below. Advantage of the panniers hauling stuff is it keeps the weight down low. I dont like putting heavy things higher up on top of the rack if I can help it and I really hate in front weight.
@SuperHyperExtra
Жыл бұрын
I bought a trailer of the same style as yours, but with the sides protected by stretched canvas and a protective cover (Homcom brand, aka Aosom). An absolute necessity in the streets of Montréal full of craters if I don't want to lose all my groceries along the way...
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Amazing, thanks for sharing
@markbajek2541
10 ай бұрын
The burley trailer that is more vertical seems like a good middle ground, you can detatch it and roll it in with you and use it as your shopping basket/cart/trolley.
@Knackebrot
Жыл бұрын
I think trailer style is best for any significant amount of groceries/goods. One with closed sides and a rain resistant top can also be used in any weather. It's just as easy to load than a car, which is not the case with panniers. It's not as expensive as a cargo bike and fits more than the paniers and baskets. You just need a second lock for it and a spot for it, which I imagine being rather easy for any living situation. It's footprint is really small when it's being put it its side with the hook pointing upwards Because it's a bit harder to pedal with one, it pairs well with any electric bike. In my case I'm going to replace my car with a folding electric bike which I can take for free on trains and busses and a cargo trailer for when I need it.
@tconnolly9820
Жыл бұрын
I intentionally got a large sized dog trailer for the reason it's completely covered and enclosed. Work's great. Many others are using double child trailers similarly. Good luck with the folding e-bike.
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
1) you have to ride in the street 2) G-d help anyone else on your sidewalks, otherwise, assuming you even have decent sidewalks.
@tconnolly9820
Жыл бұрын
@@whazzat8015 If you are replying to me, I do ride on the roads and streets almost everywhere. I'm in Ireland, not America if that makes a difference?
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
@@tconnolly9820 Yes yes and yes. while the Irish and those guys across the water are pretty civilized in the way they respect cyclists, here they are considered road hazards. See Coal rolling. See our wretched pedestrian/cyclist injury stats. I got that y'all have roads put in by the Romans, but they are better cared for than here, and folks more respect the team sport that is safety.
@Knackebrot
Жыл бұрын
@@tconnolly9820 Thanks!
@mancampovestiminvatam
Жыл бұрын
I'm using rear basket for years and love it. It doesn't get dirty. You put in things in a fraction of a second. No fiddling around. I carried lots of things even when my small business was in high gear. The only reason I use panniers is when leaving town for multiple days.
@dant.6364
Жыл бұрын
If you have a Brompton folding bike, you can fold it, take it inside and push it around in “cart mode” using the front 23 litre Borough bag to put your stuff in. On the other hand, Bromptons fold so small that you can just put it in a regular shopping cart as you shop.
@cthambrecht
Жыл бұрын
I saw a couple doing just that at my suburban grocery store. I rarely see bikes near the store, let alone 2 Bromptons. I had to compliment them
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
Great idea, but Bromies don't really roll well, despite all the mods. fortunately they carry easily.
@flcon16
Жыл бұрын
I love shopping for groceries on my Brompton! The frame mounted front bags/baskets balance so well that it almost feels more balanced under load, and there are some great rear-rack solutions. I love shopping in small enough trips that just fill my front basket, so I can use my bike folded through the store as a trolley.
@edfuhrmann9589
Жыл бұрын
#GoWithUncleRogerFTW! Oh, utility biking is pretty cool too! I do 80% of my grocery shopping by bike; rear panniers, plus a trailer for the big trips (usu. groceries combined with another stop or two). Thanks for the practical comparisons!
@whazzat8015
Жыл бұрын
Fuyay Bakfiet only for rich boy with momma money. 15K ?
@tatwood93
Жыл бұрын
Cargo net and basket tip: Connect some bungee cords together with wire ties or zipties to make the best cargo net you've ever seen
@alsafejriszemi8185
9 ай бұрын
"A week's worth of groceries" That's the problem with people's thinking. I usually shop with only a backpack. The key is choosing a store that's near your home or workplace so you can go there every day to buy some stuff but not too many. Work smarter, not harder!
@thaddeusbarrick8432
3 ай бұрын
What if the nearest store is 35 miles away
@creaturesfromelsewhere203
Жыл бұрын
When I lived car-free for 2 years, I used a pair of folding Swagman metal baskets on the back of my bike for grocery shopping. Each would hold a full grocery bag, and when not needed, they fold down to about an inch wide. Since they go on either side of the rear wheel, the center of gravity stays low. A couple of bungee chords kept everything from falling out. Worked great!
@mikadeksjur653
Жыл бұрын
I really like your content hope your channel is going to get bigger and bigger.
@johnshellenberg1383
Жыл бұрын
I have some cool single tracks I can ride on my to and from the grocery store, so I take a backpack and my mountain bike. Yeah, my groceries are a little roughed up if I send it on the way home, but worth it!!
@TheVron
Жыл бұрын
I use a chariot bike trailer to haul the groceries. Its great because you can close it up so nothing can fall out and its really quite big and a lot can fit in it (including big packs of toilet paper). I got it from my sister who doesn't really use it anymore to carry her kids on her bike, so it was free too (bonus). I think she got it used for really cheap on kijiji. They're surprisingly very maneuverable.
@blacktrout
Жыл бұрын
I was 12 when i got a plastic milk crate and used hose clamps to "bolt it" down. I was the guy we through stuff into and road! Totally agree about front baskets cant be too big as the weight is annoying. Great video!
@HermannKerr
Жыл бұрын
On weekly my shopping, I use 2 bags. One in an Arkel (a Canadian Company)shopping bag and the other is a Arkel commuter bag. I like the Arkel commuter bag better as it is water proof and can carry things like paper while keeping it flat and I guess laptops. The grocery is a little simpler with just a draw cord top. They are both super securely attached to the rack using Arkel clip system which is one of the best that I have used and I have used a lot of manufacture's bags over the years. Note that I have never used @ Wheel Gear. I usually shop at different places on my shopping day. I have the two shopping panniers on all the time (excepted when I tour) and that is where I keep by rain gear as well as my reusable shopping bag as the panniers take up too much space when shopping and I have been hassled a couple of times with security people calling them backpacks. When I have to get or move something big like boxes of blue berries, box of peaches or cherries I use my Radical Design Cyclone trailer. I also use my trailer for carrying my bottles and glass to the recycling.depot. The only issue I have with the trailer is backing up. My ride is one of two trikes and I'm currently weeks away from 75 years. I am really enjoying your cycling video blogs.
@SolarizeYourLife
Жыл бұрын
We need a carbon fiber bike trailer...use boxes with the trailer...I put a rack w/MIK system on both front and back of my mtb, that I don't use as a mtb anyways, it's a freak bike now...
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
😆
@a1white
Жыл бұрын
Love how you can just adapt a bike this way. Do trails one day, the next get your groceries home.
@elmarko9051
Жыл бұрын
In getting back into biking to do RAGBRAI in 2022, we used a rack and pannier set. I say we because it was a tandem, and my brother was the stoker. We pre-packed the bike to find out how to carry all our stuff for a day's ride. Using RAGBRAI as a test lab, the karaoke guys used a trailer to lug their battery/amp/speaker setup, and lots of people had single/dual kid trailers. If you want to really feel what's it like to carry a lot of cargo, another human being on the bike with you gives an instant appreciation for mass/weight that you can't control. I'd vote for the trailer any time.
@laakkonen6847
Жыл бұрын
for me, baskets weren't the entry point, but a school backpack was. i started biking a lot in university, and i used my school backpack. i eventually cable tied a milk crate to my one speeds handlebars, and later to my road bikes rear rack. this works best for me, even moreso than panniers, because of the convenience and lack of special equipmwnt needed. my milk crate fits two reusable bags like a glove, as long as they arent too full or oddly shaped. i dont need to spend 5-10 minutes reconfiguring everything at the bike rack. if i need more space, i bring a backpack. if i need more space than that, i bring my kids bike trailer, and i lose convenience, but space is never an issue. ive never lost any groceries from a bump, but if i worry about it, i fold the top of the bags in and use a bungee cord to hold them down. if i used panniers to carry everyday stuff, i might feel different, but i dont. and if i had an e-cargo bike, that would be the clear choice.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Milk crates are deceptively great. They are sturdy, easily attachable and affordable. The problem is that they are getting harder and harder to find in some cities, whereas they were once ubiquitous.
@davidbierbaum4881
4 ай бұрын
My personal philosophy is that, with a bike, it makes more sense to make many trips per week with smaller loads. I only break out my double Day -Tripper bags when I run out of everything at once.
@KenDunnUSNA87
3 ай бұрын
I live in the US, but have visited Calgary several times. Gotta say it’s one of my favorite cities. Several of these scenes make me feel like Jose Monkey… “I bet I could find that!” But the biking content is what keeps me watching. I need to kit up a bike for shopping.
@a1white
Жыл бұрын
Nice to show people how quick and easy this is. In London UK, I get my weekly shopping home (easily), from the shops in a couple of classic durable Ortlieb backrollers (had them for years). Don’t even need plastic carrier bags, just load them up at the checkout drop them on the panniers and I’m home a few minutes later. Far quicker than driving.
@ericpmoss
Жыл бұрын
I use Jandd grocery panniers on the back that let me slide heavy slick plastic grocery bags into and out of. They also let me snap them flat to the bike, and even use them as my shopping bags directly. Then a big handlebar bag on a decaleur on the front. If too much weight is in back, it gets really squirrelly on the bikes I normally like to ride.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
I've not tried these before, but I'm currently googling!
@ferryvantichelen6521
Жыл бұрын
My mom always did this to get food for our family of 5. Weekly trip to the Aldi. Double panier + 2 bags that hang from the handle bars. Just happy she never fell thinking about it now, but happy with all the food she got us that way! Except for Aldi's "fritessaus", that stuff's just nasty
@jayvis123111
Жыл бұрын
I know my electric bike with a "basket" (milk-crate) and bags may not have cost 10-15 thousand dollars, and 2k is still a pretty penny for anything. But I'm glad I don't own or need a car and can still haul all my groceries home comfortably.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
This is great perspective on the costs of a e-bike relative to their utility. Thanks for sharing.
@aranc23
Жыл бұрын
Great stuff. I would say, a milk crate zip-tied to a rear rack is a great way to start hauling stuff on your bike and no one is going to steal that! However, that won't get you a weeks worth of stuff. I've hauled groceries with a combination of a worn out two-seat kid's trailer and giant cheap panniers from amazon (they still sell them it seems, Roswheel brand) and that worked pretty well. With the panniers, loading can be a bit of a pain because you do need to balance the weight and your bagger probably didn't consider that. :)
@jumbolarge108
Жыл бұрын
I imagine that even when Tom is not making a video he still always bikes with the selfie stick pointed at him. It’s just how he rides.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
I console myself by saying that, when I finally get run over by somebody in a Ford F-150 talking on a cellphone, at least I’ll have video evidence.
@craigiefconcert6493
Жыл бұрын
@@Shifter_Cycling too bad the video evidence still won’t mean any significant penalty for the driver, even if they were reckless, especially with ICBC who have somehow taken away the right to sue drivers. Somebody needs to test that in the Supreme Court. Class action perhaps.
@ebashford5334
Жыл бұрын
I make my own rear baskets using plastic storage bins so you can have a super size basket if you want. I use plywood as a stable base for the bottom of the bin. Just attach the plywood first to the rear rack (depending on the rack style, either with bolts or hose clamps, drilling holes for each accordingly) then bolt the plastic bin bottom onto the plywood base. Use good sized washers on the bolts as to not cause stress cracks in the plastic. You can also use the snap on lid, just drill holes in the lip of the lid and bin, and pass zip ties through (leave them loose with enough play) to make loop hinges in the front (just behind your butt). That way you can have a large weather proof covered basket and even if the load exceeds the top, the lid can simply stay open while still attached. It looks a bit ugly (maybe not something for your fancy new bike) but it is extremely practical.
@mythyk_4316
Жыл бұрын
I've had one secondhand bike for a long time, which I upgrade/modify as needed (like replacing the bike seat and adding a mirror). With groceries, my current method is a backpack I wear + shopping bags on the handlebars. It's not too difficult to use the handlebars, as long as you know what to expect and keep the weight as balanced as you can make it. I've been considering a basket or 'attachable bag' for a while now, and I think I find myself leaning more towards the basket idea now. Thanks for sharing the different methods!
@nothereandthereanywhere
Жыл бұрын
Not sure if it has crossed anyone's mind, but you can use the bag handles and tie them up to secure the shopping in them. This would be great help for having it securely in all settings, no need for additional nets, or greatly worry for the trailer's holes.
@jaysonvilleza3901
Жыл бұрын
We've just had a related topic like this on Twitter. But car-centric/privileged people are saying what about they're month's worth of groceries. 😂
@jaysonvilleza3901
Жыл бұрын
I can't join the live chat via app. Huhu.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
I understand stocking up on essentials, so maybe it's time for me to update my video on taking a cargo bike to Costco. But do people really only get groceries once a month?!
@davidraygun554
Жыл бұрын
You could easily get a month's or more worth of groceries in that super nice cargo bike. I love those, but it's too pricey for me, even the cheaper models. The once a month grocery haul could still be done for much less cost. An E-bike really helps here. Shopping panniers with a bike trailer and front basket optional. Easy peasy.
@tconnolly9820
Жыл бұрын
I presume this is the American (and perhaps Canadian too?) thing of buying bulk cheaper or special offers or coupons which aren't really a thing in Europe? But you can't buy things that are perishable or can't be frozen like fresh vegetables or milk to last a month so they'll still have to shop for those weekly!
@jaysonvilleza3901
Жыл бұрын
@@Shifter_Cycling those who do monthly supply runs are the car-centric people who loves to haul them one time big time - an excuse to use their SUVs and pickup trucks on urban settings. We are discussing with them that weekly is more efficient especially on bikes. We like getting our stocks fresh so we do weekly. Haha.
@mikebauer9948
Жыл бұрын
As always, interesting. I've done grocery shops by bike here in NJ USA, using rear panniers and/or a backpack. Works out well with a couple of things to consider (see below). I would suggest a "week" is a large requirement, it works better with a portion of that. You kidded about "lukewarm milk" and chicken thighs - well, it's mid-spring in Calagary, so you don't need to worry about heat so much - insulated bags with blue-ice (or real ice) can be used, but reduces carry space. I once carried fresh fish from the seafood market home, for which I used a sealed tupperware vertical tub (pasta tub?) as a container inside a bag, with ice. Which highlights another problem - potential for messy and unhygienic leaks. Bag liners are recommended, maybe something (cleanable) like hunters/fishermen use for game bags. I bring my panniers into the store and pack them after checkout. Recommend you look at the Burley Travoy trailer - easy, good load, good at-home storage, rides well. For your Ikea trailer, think of the various cargo straps to secure your loads as well as maybe tubs to place your bags in. The basic point is, marketing can be done with a bike. Unfortunately for me, I moved last year from a "normal" town (one that grew organically) into a retirement development, and found that each neighborhood of the area is a separate, disconnected cul-de-sac and there is no non-highway access to a grocery store by bike, unless I get suicidal. Plenty of deli and convenience shopping within reach, but not proper groceries. I didn't mentally process that fact until we bought the house.
@jfmezei
Жыл бұрын
Bike trailer and cargo bike: where do you park at supermarket? All of your options require you pack food in bags at check out ahnd carry bags to your vehicle. And then same when you get home to get from bike parking to kitchen. I have a good old fashioned big Seratus backpack from the defunct Mountain Equipment Coop. As cashier scans items, I put them back into cart. Once paid, take cart to empty check out counter and play a game of tetris to load the backpack. (I carry a LOT more than in your video). Then sit next to back pack, strap it on and do the heavy lifting. Walk to parked bike, and carefully get on and start moving (this takes practice with very heavy load on back). Get home, park bike in building garage, walk up the stairs with heavy backpack and get to kitchen and dismount and unpack. Staff at supermarklet now know of me, so when they see me with empty backpack they know they don,t need to pack my stuf after it is scanned. But ever so often I do surprise a new guy/gal who didn't think I would fit a whole cart into my backpack. (agam careful game of tertris to make things fit).
@andysmith9601
Жыл бұрын
I chain my bike and cargo trailer to the cart corral on the parking lot. After unloading the shopping cart into my trailer, I can leave the shopping cart in the cart corral and ride away.
@chrisb2942
Жыл бұрын
Why even buy only once in a week? Doesn't make much sense. This way you probably mostly buy frozen or industrial food. But let's be honest: you will always reach a limit on a bike, even on a cargo bike. The solution: don't buy once a week..
@Ep1o
Жыл бұрын
Because the infrastructure in the US is so incredibly bad the closest store is prob a 20-40 minute drive, and people would rather buy a weeks worth once than go there every day or every other day. I don't even take my bike to go shopping I live in a rock throw range to a market.
@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333
Жыл бұрын
@@Ep1o This is Canada, and for most Americans, a grocery store is like 10 minute drive (which is still bad, but not 20-40 minutes)
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Of course this is a better way to shop, but I know very few people in Canada who shop this way. Check out the other comment about people who shop once a month!
@aphextwin5712
Жыл бұрын
Most vegetables and fruits easily last a week to 10 days (in the fridge). Exceptions are salad leaves and bananas but you can easily go a few days without them. Ditto for things like eggs and milk products.
@a1white
Жыл бұрын
Fruit/ veg/ dairy normally keeps a week. If you have a busy life it’s not always convenient to go every few days. I go a couple of miles down the road on my bike once a week and load up my panniers. Job done in under an hour.
@bl4572
Жыл бұрын
FWIW I tried to adapt my mountain bike to doing groceries for our family of four by adding a rack on the back for panniers and a kickstand (attached clamp-style, because there was nothing to screw it onto) so I could load the panniers easier. Unfortunately, even with the kickstand it was difficult to keep the bike from tipping over while attaching the panniers, plus that amount of lean put some kind of torque on the kickstand, so eventually it came off. I recently bought a Nihola cargo trike and it is awesome - I can do the weekly grocery trip for no more effort than it takes to walk to the store and back; it’s super stable and holds a ton. No electric assist needed for my regular flat terrain trip, but I’ll admit that any kind of incline would be a heck of a lot harder - if I had a hill to contend with every week, I’d probably get that electric motor attached.
@johnplanteen-vo1rf
Жыл бұрын
Wald folding pannier baskets are great,with a small basket on top of rear rack,but for hauling water or a lot of staples my Chinese faux bob trailer rocks. A small front rack is also handy for short trips.Gave up autos four years ago at seventy,best gift I could have given myself.
@dougwedel9484
Жыл бұрын
I recognized the trailer as soon as I saw it. It's from Ikea. I have one. I was so thrilled when they started selling bikes and a few accessories. And I was so disappointed when they changed their mind and offered to recall them. I pulled it with my Brompton a few times to shop for groceries including a big bag of dog food. When I got to the store, I folded the Brompton and stored it in the trailer, repositioned the tow bar / handle, filled the trailer, placed everything on the cashier's counter, then back into the trailer. When I shop with just my Brompton, I fold it, wheel it around and fill the handlebar bag (which is attached to the frame not the handlebar). I love doing it this way because I know everything will fit, because I was filling them in the store, so I know I'm not taking too much, the way it often happens with when I use a regular bike and baskets.
@mikariekki5708
Жыл бұрын
I would like to buy a cargo bike, but I don't have a safe space to store it. Expensive bikes are a thief magnet which I don't want to store in an apartment buildings bike storage, fixing theft damage is expensive and an added hassle.. So I have panniers on all the time and an old trailer meant for hauling kids is surprisingly versatile for larger stuff even after kids have grown up, and you can store that at the bike storage, doesn't take much space and nobody will want to steal it since looks so beat up. You can use is as a flatbed too for big boxes with the hood folded down, and offers some weather protection for stuff when opened up. It gets very muddy easily if used in bad weather. As a bonus if its easy enough to connect to the bike, and if it has a proper handle like many models do, you could bring it to the market and use it as a shopping cart, scan and pack all your groceries straight into it while collecting stuff, and just pay when you leave the supermarket, no need for another round of emptying shopping cart and then repacking to bags.
@norgtube
Жыл бұрын
For panniers there's just no beating Ortliebs IMO (sorry, sponsor). A 40L rolltop is like a hundred bucks and will outlast you. A pair of those can feed a whole family for a week and fits any bike. Bring the panniers in the store (so you can fill them at the register instead of outside in the heat/weather), or bring canvas bags that fit in them. I use a front-loading e-bike and still bring panniers to the store. If you're going to use baskets, Wald make the best ones. They don't rust or rattle as much as others and won't break the bank.
@Shifter_Cycling
Жыл бұрын
Ortlieb bags are also excellent.
@a1white
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Had a pair for over a decade I use for my groceries (which have also been used for many adventures). So durable.
@ChrisLoew
Жыл бұрын
Trailer #1, you have a light bike when you want it and instantly turn it into cargo hauler.
@SIC647
Жыл бұрын
I have been grocery shopping by bike for 23 years now. 1. Bike trailer for easy hauling. I love mine! 2. But if you don't have one, I highly recommend figuring out how much you can carry in your panniers and bike baskets, and then pick a shopping cart that corresponds to that. If I grocery shop without my trailer, I always pick the smaller "basket on wheels" cart in the store because I know that it is how much I am able to fit on the bike. That way I never overshop. 3. Bring an insulated bag for freezer items (and fridge items if your climate is warm).
@GraceWen378
Жыл бұрын
I splurged on Clarijs panniers from The Netherlands and they live on my bike rack. I also have a pair of Rok straps in case I want to attach anything on top. Reusable bags and smaller insulated bags drop right into the panniers -- so easy!
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