I once had a long chat with an ex Ministry of defence (MOD) guy here in England. He was involved with the testing & manufacture of WD-40. He said they tested nearly every oil based substance known to man for preventing rust in military vehicles. The substance which beat everything else by a country mile was old used engine oil. They discovered the minute amount of aluminium from wear of the pistons etc acted like a Zinc type sacrificial anode. The carbon deposits in the oil made the oil stick far greater than clean oil. It had superior "Creep" & wear properties too. I spray the underside of my 20 year old VW transporter annually with it's own waste oil after a service. My chassis remains rust free after 12 years of ownership. ( 265,000 miles & counting). Waste oil from a diesel engine was found to be more effective than petrol because of the greater carbon/soot content. I found that mixing a small amount of phosphoric acid approx 5% also killed any existing surface rust & converted it to a Gray iron like substance that will not rust again on my wife's French car. (But it stinks like gear oil for months) It is also easier to spray into cavities than a traditional wax coating using a wax coating gun because of its more fluid state. Hopefully the above helps someone else out.
@steenmortensen6410
4 жыл бұрын
very good idea...just remember that cast iron and spring steel, degraded by phosphoric acid ..
@tonydalton6756
4 жыл бұрын
@@steenmortensen6410 yes that & zinc plated steel too. Thanks for the comment.
@tonydalton6756
4 жыл бұрын
@ThePariss333 Yes your Castrol will be fine but I would advise against using the transmission fluid if the body has been galvanised. If it hasn't then that will be good to use too.
@tonydalton6756
4 жыл бұрын
@ThePariss333 Avoid spraying it then use a dry cloth for over spray.
@ureasmith3049
4 жыл бұрын
Good info thanks.
@anthonyantinarella3360
5 жыл бұрын
Tip... Use a creeper and work from cab to tailgate on both sides. AND this is key... Use neighbors driveway when they're on vacation. That way cleanup is easy.
@G.Harley.Davidson
4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@someone-gb2ec
3 жыл бұрын
Lool 🤣
@stevanrose7439
2 жыл бұрын
My driveway is gravel so I don’t have to worry about that.
@williamm3820
5 жыл бұрын
I'm in the UK and use a type of manual transmission oil , quite heavy which I heat up and apply with a paraffin spray gun which comes out finely atomised and coats beautifully without much dripping down afterwards. Old fashioned methods like this work well and keep our motors alive
@aleblanc3547
6 жыл бұрын
I can't say enough good things about Mustie1. This is one of those things he did that I'd never heard of until I saw his video on it. He didn't mention that it has a tendency to keep dripping, so for most of us using a tarp is absolutely necessary to protect driveways. Thanks Bob for that suggestion and for getting this technique "out there" again!
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Depending how much you spray on it will drip I put it on really thick. It took about 2 days to stop dripping. I also thinned with 10W-30 because it was 15 degrees out. I didn't know it was going to be that cold.
@666dynomax
2 жыл бұрын
I think the trick with rustproofing is to do it when it’s new and do it every year not to wait.
@ernestt4969
4 жыл бұрын
I've been using FF on my '93 Toyota pickup, so far have had great results. I also spray inside of the frame using one of their 360 degree spray nozzles. I live in the Midwest where they use a lot of salt, I spray the complete undercarriage, rocker panels, springs and axles every spring and fall. FF by the gallon is a lot more economical than the spray cans but the cans are good for spraying in the nooks and crannies including getting inside of the frame. My local Toyota dealer can't believe how rust free my truck is.
@martymcfly3986
4 жыл бұрын
Ernest T sorry but what is FF? Thanks
@HOHCEHC
4 жыл бұрын
@@martymcfly3986 Fluid Film
@CCWSig
4 жыл бұрын
The holes are used when they are building the frames and the vehicles, they give a place for the jigs and robots to securely grab onto for welding, and later when assembling.
@FD-is1ug
Жыл бұрын
Have you tried reducing the bar and chain oil with kerosene,varsol or diesel?... wondering if the reducers will eventually dissipate leaving only the thick bar and chain oil...
@Uticagreens
6 жыл бұрын
On the Ram plow trucks we have found that spraying behind the tail lights helped with the rust issue over the rear tire wells. The same goes for under the tailgate area that is prone to rust thanks to NYS brined and salted roadways too.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Good tips thanks.
@HillbillyHoosier
6 жыл бұрын
Similar process I had done at the nearest Krown rust prevention center. (St Louis, MO). They sprayed a thin oil (that has some sort of sticky additive) inside all of the body panels and frame and coated the underside. Dripped for probably four days or more. I just parked in the street during that time. It's time to schedule another appointment soon. They recommend every year. They offer a nice warranty if you take your brand new vehicle there (rust free). Of course, I don't own anything rust free.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a good technique how much do they charge for that?
@lar4305
6 жыл бұрын
I have been doing this for years. it is a greasy mess under my jeep, but there is no rust!
@jackshimano1994
6 жыл бұрын
never saw you spray INSIDE CHANNELS and crevices or on top of fuel tank-where MOST people miss i also used chain saw bar oil-summer grade cut with kerosene-so my cars last decades in salt belt if applied ANNUALLY and bolts seem to come off easier-without breaking usually-not bad for 25 yr old cars
@jamieround2072
5 жыл бұрын
sooo there's a differance in summer & winter blends guessing brand new all still sealed up using the bar oil......???
@bobbybrown614
2 жыл бұрын
have you had any trouble with rubber parts swelling after using bar and chain oil? I just sprayed mine with it.
@thomasbartlett6771
2 жыл бұрын
Tip, try a Presto electric crock pot to heat the oil. Also, you can use a 2.2 gallon pressure pot with paint gun to apply the oil in a heated garage or over the summer months. You can also cut the B&C with diesel to thin it out by 30% diesel. Great videos and thanks for posting..
@Me-jk3km
Жыл бұрын
How much bar oil did it take for full coverage?
@hiluxmad
6 жыл бұрын
Done my toyota hilux from new with chain oil it's now 10 years old and the paper sticker are still on the frame rails works great
@jamieround2072
5 жыл бұрын
i'm guessing it was brand new bar oil or re-used oil or what.......?? & did u do it straight or did u mix it w/ some thing else & heat the bar oil up like he did in the video here.......????
@andycapp8843
2 жыл бұрын
For a relatively small amount of money in real terms there are lanolin based products that spray a fine mist with few if any drips if applied correctly, safe on electrics, rubber seals etc and requires little preparation beforehand. In the past, whenever I carried out a repair or maintenance, I always had a can of old engine oil with 10% bar oil mixed and with a small brush carefully apply to any surfaces local to the area I’m working on, avoiding rubber etc. Coil springs and brake lines lasted years. It worked for me but now I use the lanolin products, so much cleaner and works just as well. When rotating the wheels is an excellent time to address rust, jack up the vehicle, sit on axle stands, examine brakes and enjoy a few cups of good coffee, two leisurely hours spent carrying out a really worthwhile job. A few extra minutes, a little careful planning, using the appropriate sprayer and there is minimal mess or drips. Life is too fast nowadays, slow down and do the job thoroughly, take a pride in your work forget about how quickly you can get finished. Literally drowning the underside of a vehicle with oil is a recipe for problems further down the road.
@norrisbobbish8902
4 жыл бұрын
Old Engine Oil as in 19 o dot, newer engine oil is useless for undersealing, it just washes off! I bought a drum of Mannol Bar n Chain and blasted my old LDV with it 2yrs ago, due for another blast this year and so far so good! Bare in mind old LDVs have zero Underseal from the factory and rot like hell, 26yrs old and still rock solid aye!👍
@48Ballen
Жыл бұрын
Next time, if possible, wire wheel the rust everyplace you can reach. Then, after banging on the frame to knock the rust loose, since it out, treat it with a phosphoric acid rust treatment, then coat it with your lanolin based product or just used motor oil. You will get much better results long term....
@williamhustonrn6160
4 жыл бұрын
Years ago I had an old-timer tell me he used cement epoxy paint on all his vehicles to prevent rust because I noticed his 1961 C10 pickup didn't have any rust on it, while my 3-year-old pickup had surface rust under the truck. He told me to go to the hardware store and get concrete epoxy paint, the stuff mechanic shops paint the floors to prevent chemicals from absorbing into the concrete. Then you can have them tint it whatever color you want, but he uses industrial grey so he can tell if his vehicle has any fluid leaks. Then he coats the bottom of the vehicle with the epoxy paint. He said he did his pickup back in the 60's, then again in the 80's and today in 2020 it has zero rust on the bottom of the truck. He did his honda civic back in 90's and today it has zero rust. He likes the grey, because he can tell if there is any areas that he missed with the difference in color. Then for areas that are very revealing, that don't look well with grey, he uses a small can of the same epoxy paint but black to hit those areas. So i did the same, i used bear garage floor and cement epoxy on my 2008 pickup, now in 2020 i have no more surface rust. the areas i had previously i used self etching primer for rusted surfaces on before i coated with the epoxy paint.
@jmj267
6 жыл бұрын
I do the same thing for my car. Amsoil metal protestant does great. As a chain lube it dries to a wax like stuff. I put it on rust on the snowblower and lawnmower rust. Great on blades.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. I really like the coverage of this stuff. I'm thinking this year I will scrape the mower decks down and apply it and let it sit over winter. I will have to look into the Amsoil.
@bumtracksNew
6 жыл бұрын
Had a totally rusted steel shed. Brushed it with Ospho, which is like a water consistency rust killer - its a weak phosphoric acid with some lanolin in it. Top coated it with rustolium. About 15 yrs ago, non of that rust is showing through.
@oni_goroshi
5 жыл бұрын
ospho is awesome! we brushed it on a 1929 chevy in 1997 that was covered in rust, then primed and painted. 20 years later the rust never came back.
@jamieround2072
5 жыл бұрын
@@oni_goroshi where can ya get the ospho spray stuff...... & is it in a rattle can or what....... & how much is the stuff roughly.........
@secondcreekworkshop3908
6 жыл бұрын
One other sprayer you can use is those cheap syphon type sand blaster gun , I used fluid film when I did it and that stuff is thick .
@panamericaco
Жыл бұрын
The only thing that would give me a stomach ache is what if it drips and a biker wipes out on it? I've heard of used engine oil many years ago already, everyone did it in Canada.
@zell863
4 жыл бұрын
Just use f Cosmoline that is around over 100 years.
@TexasPLNR
6 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I'm glad I don't have to do this job living in TX. We get to deal w/ flooding.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Flooding isn't fun either.
@damannoa
6 жыл бұрын
What about sanding off some of the rust and then spraying this stuff ontop of a clean surface? Would that have been more effective?
@stevanrose7439
2 жыл бұрын
It might help but I think the oil will creep into all nooks and crannies But I’m sure that anything you do will help.
@paulg444
5 жыл бұрын
fantastic video !.. wow. why not spray the oil into the factory holes in the rocker panels ?
@BrucesShop
6 жыл бұрын
Heat guns are a handy thing eh!!! Chain saw oil sticks to everything. Great idea. I cannot believe how messy that would be. We are lucky here in Western Canada that there isn't too much salt on the roads. Yes there is some but not like you guys get.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
I use the heat gun about once every 2 weeks. We get tons of salt dumped on our roads. It is a messy process up front, but down the road I think this oil treatment is going to provide some solid protection.
@FreeLovingAmerican
Жыл бұрын
Looked for the foillowup video. Not found..
@ozarkprepper1718
4 жыл бұрын
por 15 works great on rusty frames
@stewoe7157
4 жыл бұрын
Should I avoid pressure washing the underside of the car when I apply oil?
@802Garage
4 жыл бұрын
Did you ever do a follow up? How is it holding up?
@keithrozeski8463
5 жыл бұрын
Does the oil fuck up the bushings
@ChrisN85420
6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the vid definitely got to do this on my truck soon i live PA so it will be needed
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Just plan on letting is set for a at least 2 days before your drive it so the oil sets up.
@ChrisN85420
6 жыл бұрын
ok will do that thanks for the tip bud really appreciate ya
@HoneyBeagle
4 жыл бұрын
When you get done run it up and down a dry dusty dirt road several times. That will really tack it up and turn it to something like a grease
@LiezerZero
5 жыл бұрын
A update video would be nice.
@true6774
6 жыл бұрын
The old timers did this, after you spray take your vehicle and drive it down a dry dirt road.
@k.b1596
6 жыл бұрын
I have hear the same but after driving a dry dirt road is this makes undercoat much better?
@PREDATEURLT
4 жыл бұрын
@@k.b1596 it becomes thicker mixed with sand, so don't just drip off.
@spresc2180
6 жыл бұрын
I have had 2 toyota pickups and 1 4Runner frames rust through, majorly, from the inside, having done similar as you. Good luck. I live in the northeast where salt is used on the roads.
@fordguyaj5581
6 жыл бұрын
it rusted through even tho you sprayed it?
@bobscorpion9722
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video!! From Pennsylvania
@666dynomax
2 жыл бұрын
Cool vid. What year is that truck if you said it in the video I missed it. I’ve done mine every year since new for seven years I’m thinking of switching to diy now. Also how large of a compressor do you need for this.
@bobm7325
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about all the holes in the frame but some are there for If your in an accident its designed to bend in certain spots.
@stevengonyaw1617
3 жыл бұрын
Heat up some Lucas red tacky grease with your bar and chain oil, it helps it really stick !
@plsniper
2 жыл бұрын
Almost 4 years later, how did it work?
@danielpyziak6537
6 жыл бұрын
Update video? Thanks in advance.
@hernanalvarez5095
6 жыл бұрын
I need umbrella for my tractor toro lx 460 how make i m. Monterrey México . tks
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
I don't know how to make an umbrella, but you could order a weather cab for your tractor and adapt it to fit. Good luck.
@boat6868
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing...definitely interested in an update in a couple months.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Will Do.
@markkus1134
5 жыл бұрын
boat6868 all new Chevy and Dodges rust seen relatively new trucks rusting away!
@lkeeble
5 жыл бұрын
@@doublewide6 Would also be interested in an update on this when you get a chance.
@davessmallenginerevival2847
6 жыл бұрын
Hi new sub found you through Bruce Pender. I think mustie cut his oil with diesel or kerosene I didn't see if you did to. Great video👍
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
I really did not need to cut the oil because the gun is designed to shoot out some viscous material. It was about 15 degrees out, so I did end of thinning with 10W30 oil, but that gave me some drips because I put it on pretty thick. Welcome to my channel. Bob
@nyinfamous2k2
6 жыл бұрын
I got to do this to my truck too, i live in a beach town so our trucks rust out twice as fast here. Think id hit all the rust with a wire brush first to remove it though.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
That is the best way to do it, but it takes an extra step to knock away the rust.
@davidzemke2549
6 жыл бұрын
Nice video. You may want to think about putting on a zinc paint first. As you know it's a metal that gives up it's electrons stopping the (Fe^3 ) iron from rusting. The oil just keeps the oxygen from getting to the steel. Kind of a 1 ..2 punch. FYI I've got a dodge truck... I have the same issues. Typically winter has the lowest humidity so if you can keep the truck inside it will dry out. .good stuff. nice job.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
I wish I had room to keep my truck indoors it would make a huge difference. Where do you get Zinc paint? I would have to be really carful with overspray.
@davidzemke2549
6 жыл бұрын
doublewide6 Repairs LLC google says true value etc.
@nikolaosnikolakakis7854
6 жыл бұрын
David Zemke
@mikescollin9739
5 жыл бұрын
Rust is undefeated!
@steenmortensen6410
4 жыл бұрын
very good
@brittneyblackmore4883
Ай бұрын
You should've descaled it first before applying the oil.
@Lanninglongarmmowing
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe the holes in the frame are planned obsalence?
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Could be?
@loadi2865
6 жыл бұрын
WTF ...OBSALENCE what does it mean???????
@MakingFitnessEasy
6 жыл бұрын
WE all know what he meant--get lost grammar-nazi.
@fendermann1825
6 жыл бұрын
Cool video bro
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@jimdavidson5208
6 жыл бұрын
That goatee makes you look super tough man. I gotta get me one. Wait, I had one. When was it, 1987?
@fluidfilm7006
6 жыл бұрын
Let us know if you want to do a full coating next year. our bulk product is easily sprayed through the same system and would love to hear your opinions on it.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah sure, I'm actually going to be doing another coating in the summer. I was thinking of pulling the taillights and spraying inside the bed as well. You ever hear of people doing this? The wheel wells are rusting from the inside out.
@fluidfilm7006
6 жыл бұрын
we get in every drain hole we can, especially behind rocker panels and inside the wheel wells. the brine gets in every crevasse it can so treating it with our product before works great. our product also does not brown grass :)
@mikekane2004
6 жыл бұрын
I'm ready to do a complete under coating using Fluid Film, Used Eastwood and 3m products in the past and ready to try FF.
@fluidfilm7006
6 жыл бұрын
let us know if you have any questions. we have a tutorial on our channel.
@e2sguy
6 жыл бұрын
Fluid Film sprayed fluid film thick on my avalanche . Seemed pretty good .. however ~a year later surface rust came right through on the frame . Fluid film sucks imho other guys I have worked with had similar results with fluid film and most of us switched to an oil based undercoat . Most of us were not impressed
@pentiuman
5 жыл бұрын
If I did this, my luck, my transmission would spring a leak, I wouldn't notice, and it would die. Ha.
@bubbacrabb
6 жыл бұрын
Just seems like using some rustoleum would of been a better idea. I must be lucky cause I've never had trucks rust out in Indiana. Probably cause I never wash my truck and it has a protective layer of dirt on there lol. I just drive when it rains to wash my Cummins lol
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
The rustoleum does not stop rust that has started and I have been told not to cover up rust with paint. You also would have to be much more careful with overspray getting on the bottoms of the doors. I like those Cummins.
@billwalter3216
3 жыл бұрын
Will ruin every rubber seal under your truck
@hernanalvarez5095
6 жыл бұрын
Mmmm. Ok tks
@johnmilner7603
6 жыл бұрын
Best is to have a friend that has a stone driveway to spray your car on and a portable compressor.
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
That would work well. It takes about 2 days to stop dripping, so you want to leave it parked over a tarp or cardboard.
@davidsullivan4072
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's always good to have a friend's house you can make a mess at. LOL
@stevenjohnson9304
6 жыл бұрын
I have f250 ford 2003 no rust 90 percent of my state they do not used salt ..in portland ore. They used salt ...salt is for people who can not drive in snow or to lazy to put on tire change ,
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Conditions of the snow, temperatures, and traffic patterns determine if they use brine solution or salt. I put on snow tires, but I still have to drive on salted roads.
@davidsullivan4072
6 жыл бұрын
Portland Harley gets any snow. Try living in a New England State. I think we know how to drive in the snow and they still put down salt calcium
@stephenrunte2295
4 жыл бұрын
P 9
@SgtJoeSmith
6 жыл бұрын
#08881 3m undercoating. 6 rattle cans for a ranger. Maybe 7. I do axle and spare tire mount area and under bed and cab and frame rails and leaf springs. So 8 at most. $100 total per ranger. $140 on full size truck prolly.
@dalesworld1308
5 жыл бұрын
Rubberized undercoating is great at holding rust and moisture in. The idea with oil is that it creeps into the pores of the metal and a stone won't chip it as it heals.
@jamieround2072
5 жыл бұрын
is the 3m undercoating a rubberized like type or what........
@jimm1028
6 жыл бұрын
Some guys add baking soda to their homemade concoctions for adhesion .
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
Good tip I have used baking soda with super glue it really thickens it up.
@ricktokle5848
6 жыл бұрын
Good video 👍why not just do a undercoating used in bed liners?😎
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
That would be the way to go on a new truck. If you already have rust you don't want to cover it up.
@pjmtts
6 жыл бұрын
I usually enjoy your videos but there is a first time for everything. I hope no motorcyclist comes along after your first drive in the rain because I see this making a nasty slick at an intersection. Spraying that crap under your truck is stupid, cheap and irresponsible . .... Holes in the frame cane be there for anything from access points for bolts (such as a snowplow mount) to allowing a point of escape for water to evaporate and prevent rust.
@robbieaussievic
6 жыл бұрын
....... I was thinking the same, enjoying his channel though, uses his brain before hands, (maybe not the "Sta-bil video). Integrity has to have domain over product.
@tomdewey9907
6 жыл бұрын
Your basic problem with the rust is the truck's a Chrysler/Dodge product in the first place...
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
No one told me that I should get a Ford or Chevy because they don't rust. In fact, I got rid of my F150 because of rust.
@jasoncook5307
5 жыл бұрын
@@doublewide6 all manufacturers have rust problems tho japanese seem to have less, they used to use more coatings and different sealants giving a full decade of protection but greed has led to whats going on today. frame rails have holes because they are dipped in a bath at the factory allowing the coating in and out as well as environmental liquids like when you put a boat in at the ramp. next time just add a lil lacquer thinner or white gas with paraffin wax melted into it to the bar oil to improve flow yet increase tack once evaporated while also increasing penetration into the rust. you can also use just plain roofing tar cut with thinner instead of used oil, used oil contains a lot of acids as well as microscopic cast iron and steel particles that may increase deterioration over time.
@jjack6896
4 жыл бұрын
Terrible idea and no update
@doublewide6
4 жыл бұрын
I recoated about 2 weeks ago. I put fluid film on my other car and the oil works way better. I'm just coating over the few spots that rubbed off. The oil is the way to go it seals great.
@londanner5251
3 жыл бұрын
@@doublewide6 fluid film is to thin.
@blackxout86
6 жыл бұрын
What a terrible idea....I can only imagine how much shittier it would be to have to work on something under your truck. I bet it smokes like crazy when parts start heating up. Good luck putting parts back on as all your bolts slowly loosen up and fall out....
@doublewide6
6 жыл бұрын
The oilness goes away and a coating of fine dirt ends up coating the oil. So it ends up being much like a standard undercoating material. I will show a video in about 3 months of how it is coming along.
@ureasmith3049
6 жыл бұрын
Lighten up Francis. People have been doing this for years. Most mechanics ain't afraid of a little grease.
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