I might add that for ceremonial purposes USS Constitution is still the flagship of the United States Navy.
@donaldparlettjr3295
3 жыл бұрын
Remember the USS Constitution IS a commissioned ship while the New Jersey is a museum ship.
@JonBerry555
3 жыл бұрын
Which means the USS Constitution could have the backing of carrier task force.
@SSN515
3 жыл бұрын
@@JonBerry555 The Constitution could screen and do plane guard for the Carrier Task Force. On paper, anyway.
@JonBerry555
3 жыл бұрын
@@SSN515 Very much on paper as a frigate. though sailing frigates are much more similar to early Destroyers in terms of role in a navy, which as best would be filled by modern corvettes or coast guard cutters.
@SSN515
3 жыл бұрын
@@JonBerry555 Littoral Combat Ship? As long as they have some wind.
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
@@JonBerry555 Frigates of that era would equate to the light and heavy cruisers of the WWII era. Fast enough to outrun most of the battleships of the era and heavily armed enough to fight anything else. A few even managed to successfully engage Ships of the Line though under conditions that kept the heavier ship from using her lower gundeck (heaviest) guns.
@drrocketman7794
3 жыл бұрын
Both of these ships are magnificent.
@MrTexasDan
3 жыл бұрын
I bet Constitution has way more favorable radar cross-section.
@adriansrealm
3 жыл бұрын
Lower IR signature too
@joshuabessire9169
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but 5"/38 dp beats a bunch of marines with muskets for AA defense.
@RealJohnnyDingo
3 жыл бұрын
@@joshuabessire9169 Back in the day the only airborne threat was fully loaded seagulls 💩
@cmoore8658
3 жыл бұрын
@@adriansrealm I'm not sure if a full broadside of BP guns, or a standing Iowa would be more detectable-
@cmoore8658
3 жыл бұрын
And her wooden hull would help absorb whatever did come back, too!-
@kilikus822
3 жыл бұрын
Watches 16" shell bounce off hull. "Huzzah! Her sides are made of ceramic tiles encased within a metal framework and bonded to a backing plate and several elastic layers!"
@chrisaustin9949
3 жыл бұрын
I've seen the USS Constitution a number of times since I live in the Boston area. Each trip is as amazing. Last time I saw her she was in dry dock which was awesome because you could see the entire ship, top to bottom.
@triandfit1
3 жыл бұрын
I was there a few years ago and you were able to put your name on the new copper plating that was replacing the old stuff on the bottom of the hull.
@APV878
3 жыл бұрын
@@triandfit1 I got to do this, twice! (had the chance on two separate occasions) Such a great idea
@BeKindToBirds
Жыл бұрын
I'm peanut butter and jelly of you mate. My local museum has an SR-71 though so take that ya yank
@jackp8583
3 жыл бұрын
Constitution is still commissioned. Wow, didn't know that. Love all the video of her in and out, and all the facts. She's beautifully maintained, gorgeous for a warship.
@jyshot
3 жыл бұрын
She is the oldest commissioned warship still afloat
@fredsafarowic9591
3 жыл бұрын
She's the only currently commissioned US Navy ship to have sunk another in combat.
@TheTreegodfather
3 жыл бұрын
@@jyshot And not just in the US Navy, but the world, iirc.
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheTreegodfather HMS Victory is still in commission though not afloat. I'm not sure but I suspect it can be claimed that Victory sank other ships in battle, perhaps someone from Britain can confirm.
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
@@fredsafarowic9591 Constitution actually did this twice. Both HMS Guerrier and HMS Java were so badly damaged that they were burned and sunk.
@crazyguy_1233
3 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to visit both on my vacation. Both were amazing to visit both very different and both special in their own ways.
@robertbeaty4909
3 жыл бұрын
That was cool. Look back at the list of Constitutions CO's and from 1980-85 you'll see Cmr Herman O. Sudholz, he was my XO and Navigator on the USS Dixie AD-14 when we went on deployment to Diego Garcia during the Hostage Crisis. I was a QM so I got to know him pretty well, really good Officer and a pretty nice guy who I found out married a local Baltimore girl. He left for the Constitution when we made a trip to Alameda in September 1980 and I finished my hitch in the Navy and went back to Baltimore.
@Masada1911
3 жыл бұрын
Kind of think Constitution would just explode into a fireball without the crew ever having any idea what happened. Pretty apt metaphor for my life now that I think about it.
@RealJohnnyDingo
3 жыл бұрын
a more fair fight would be to start them both with zero fuel on board 😂😂😂
@etaoinbshrdlu
3 жыл бұрын
Old ironsides was thrilling. She achieved the warship's ideal: She could out fight anything she could not out sail, and vice versa. As a boy I had read of her victories, her almost miraculous escapes when outnumbered. In 1992, in my 40s, standing on the deck, remembering the poem that saved her, I was almost in tears for joy that we still have her. I would love to see her under full sail with a fair wind behind her. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Btw, I do hope to see the New Jersey someday.
@quartertwenty484
3 жыл бұрын
Constitution would win! Just like at Surigao Strait, the AP shells would go right through her.
@SSN515
3 жыл бұрын
I guess. But there would be a definite limit to how many holes you could they could punch in the old girl and have her stay afloat. Dewatering capability is sort of minimal on her.
@cmoore8658
3 жыл бұрын
Ooh, good point!- I'd have to look into HE shell sensitivity- Though 5in and smaller AA shells would rip her apart-
@seafodder6129
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and I'm thinking HE would detonate. Which would be Very Bad. Those were, after all, pretty stout wooden sides. Long Lances could be a bit of an issue as well...
@SSN515
3 жыл бұрын
In the Tincan Navy we would just detonate 5"38" shells over the deck of the LBGB's because they were so water logged, small arms, grenades, .50's, TNT, and burning wouldn't do much . The 5" shells would reduce them to toothpicks really fast.
@cmoore8658
3 жыл бұрын
@@seafodder6129 I'd not like to be on constitution to find out what a long lance would do- I think even a single, smaller torp would make matchwood of her lower hull, let along flooding-
@alwaysbearded1
3 жыл бұрын
Clark Perks did an excellent job. His beard fits the theme better too. Great compare and contrast. The food would be interesting to compare as well. Weevilly biscuits and all.
@briand01
3 жыл бұрын
the weevils are a hidden surprise . probally extra protien too. :O
@alwaysbearded1
3 жыл бұрын
@@briand01 Usually you wrap the biscuits on something hard to see if any come out so they are not a surprise. And if given a choice always chose the lesser of the two weevils.
@franzfanz
3 жыл бұрын
I visited USS Constitution in 2009. Sadly she wasn't open that day but it was still nice to see her.
@IvorMektin1701
3 жыл бұрын
USS Constitution is prettier, IMO.
@cmoore8658
3 жыл бұрын
She has much more fine detail work, fine painting, etc- Somewhat lacks the awe that I like when you get a photo of a large, WWII ship from the bow, etc, but I 100% see your point- Both very pretty ships-
@abledog9462
3 жыл бұрын
Blasphemy. We're all here because the Iowas are the most beautiful things to float
@the4tierbridge
3 жыл бұрын
@@abledog9462 No, that’s the RMS Queen Mary.
@cmoore8658
3 жыл бұрын
@@abledog9462 Easily top 10!-
@jaybee9269
3 жыл бұрын
They are both beautiful ships; the contrasts & fine detail on ‘Constitution’ make her very pretty indeed though!
@hollywood1340
3 жыл бұрын
USS Constitution sank several enemy warships near her equal. New Jersey did not.
@B52Stratofortress1
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure New Jersey sunk some North Vietnamese boats during the Vietnam conflict. No serious opposition, but still counts...
@hollywood1340
3 жыл бұрын
@@B52Stratofortress1 That it does. I'll edit my above.
@JamesBond-uz2dm
2 жыл бұрын
The USS Constitution sank the HMS Gurrerier, East of Boston during the War of 1812. The Gurrerier was a British frigate with 38 cannons. The cannonballs bounced off Old Ironsides. Hence, her nickname.
@michaelplanchunas3693
2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesBond-uz2dm The Guerrier was listed at 1100 tons, the Constitution at 1600 tons.
@BeKindToBirds
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelplanchunas3693 The Constitution was the heavier ship but they were both frigates still.
@SkeeterPondRC
3 жыл бұрын
I think it would be a Bismarck’s AA vs cloth wing aircraft kind of thing. I doubt the Constitutions hull would be able to decap an AP round or trigger the fuse on an HE. But then it would just get shredded by rounds passing through it without being able to do literally anything more than scratch the paintwork on the Iowa.
@j.landismartin5397
3 жыл бұрын
A couple dozen or so AA common rounds from one of New Jersey's 5" mounts would probably do the job. Wooden ships are rather flammable.
@redenginner
3 жыл бұрын
J. Landis Martin Maybe its what the hand grenade lockers where for! If a sailing warship tried to challenge the New Jersey the crew could just come along side and rain grenades down on the enemy vessel from the 05 Level.
@DeliveryMcGee
3 жыл бұрын
Constitution was firing and absorbing 6" 24lb solid iron roundshot. It don't matter if the wood sets off the fuse, the 5" guns of NJ's secondary battery had twice the weight and twice the velocity and were about the same bore diameter as a 24-pounder.
@cmoore8658
3 жыл бұрын
Within that, there are cases of ships sinking via roundshot alone in the AoS period- And even then, radar fuses on the 5in shells would probably do the job- Even if they couldn't properly pen, if they went off, that's a roughly man-sized hole in the side of the ship, and a *crazy* amount of shrapnel
@redrb26dett
3 жыл бұрын
I love all the relevant facts how the New Jersey rounds would simply go through constitution but every single one of you as forgotten or simply does not know how old Ironsides was used she got in close tried to disable the manoeuvring then launch her killing blow something New Jersey crew were not ie board kill everything that moved by means of some of the most gruesome hand to hand weapons employed in warfare (large enemy crews captured where wounded or simply terrified and surrendered) and they didn't fight alone there would have been other ships doing they same thing (not for the glory that's bull they did it for the money "prize ships" going into hundreds of millions in today's money) and since all boarding parties were armed and the New Jersey wasn't that means tigers in a henhouse it's why you cannot compare them to each other because they fought so differently FYI even ships of the line did the same hence ship having warrant officers (men warranted by the government to sail the ship as the ships officers were essentially infantry men there to fight meaning get in close and kill with his cutlass and usually bristling With pistols and grenades and knives)
@B52Stratofortress1
3 жыл бұрын
As both ships sit today; New Jerseys 5"/38s can still be traversed and fired, while Constitution can still be sailed and moved around. Sounds like a stalemate to me!! New Jersey can shoot but not move, and Constitution can move but not shoot (even if it could shoot, all the cannon would do is scratch New Jersey's paint).
@carlgomm9699
3 жыл бұрын
Such a nice show, I really enjoyed it !!
@irvingsteinberg
3 жыл бұрын
Ah, interesting. Might be a tad one sided. I think a better comparison would be could an Iowa class battleship achieve similar results in her time that Old Ironsides experienced in her career?
@keithrosenberg5486
3 жыл бұрын
It depends. If the New Jersey's captain decided to ignore the Constitution because he was laughing his head off, and the Constitution placed a massive spar torpedo directly underneath a powder magazine...... With a large amount of luck, it might be that Constitution could take the New Jersey with her.
@christopherrice2004
3 жыл бұрын
@@keithrosenberg5486 I don't think that's what Irving meant. He probably was talking about having Battleship New Jersey do to other battleships, what Connie did to other frigates.
@cmoore8658
3 жыл бұрын
@@keithrosenberg5486 ohhh- I hadn't even thought of that, very clever!-
@irvingsteinberg
3 жыл бұрын
@@christopherrice2004 Yes, right, that was my thought. My writing needs improving.
@NomadShadow1
3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was April first for a second there. A fun comparison. 👍👍👍
@ponchoremerize5508
3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video on how you would start the propulsion system on the ship. Talk us through it.
@BattleshipNewJersey
3 жыл бұрын
Done! Check this out kzitem.info/news/bejne/mYefvaN_sHSZmaw
@jeffersonchau7171
3 жыл бұрын
I'm From Massachusetts where the Constitution is. So Welcome to Boston Clark!
@NetTopsey
3 жыл бұрын
Not at all what I expected, and completely accurate to the title. Mind you, not that I was quite sure what to expect. Good video. Very interesting.
@WALTERBROADDUS
3 жыл бұрын
Okay, we are jumping the shsrk now with questions. 😳🦈
@TheFreaker86
3 жыл бұрын
My first thought when I have read the video title before watching it was "why the heck would a wooden war ship from the age of sail start a fight against a WW2 BB?" ;-D
@8vantor8
3 жыл бұрын
same
@ghost307
3 жыл бұрын
I'm hoping that his video will just be a friendly visit to the Constitution, but if we're talking head to head combat I wouldn't waste any of my big ammo against a wooden ship of that era. I would just keep getting closer, striking fear in the hearts of the enemy, then tear them up with 50 cal. After all, it's not necessary to destroy the enemy to win; just convince them to stop fighting...and a few hundred rounds into the ship and masts should do nicely. In fact just steaming up to them may be enough to get them to turn around and run away from our favorite 30 knot steel armored behemoth. Now if I was confronted with a determined bunch of them I'd look to see where I could aim to take several of them out with one shot and send a 16" their way. I plan on having lots of fun adventures like that when I get the time machine working.
@taloob493
3 жыл бұрын
Better idea: take the 1980s Iowa into the past and just shred it to pieces with the ciws
@ghost307
3 жыл бұрын
@@taloob493 I'm thinking of a burst to drop the forward mast, a second to drop the aft, then pepper the deck into splinters. That should turn a capital ship into a giant rowboat in no time.
@sirmalus5153
3 жыл бұрын
You could just wait until the crew from Constitution try to board New Jersey, then just arrest them all and put them in handcuffs, as they wander around the battleship looking for a way in.
@rebelndirt8830
2 жыл бұрын
You gotta let them get a couple shots off... just so they can feel like they did something.
@Ridliman
3 жыл бұрын
Technological evolution at 120%
@tomdooley3522
3 жыл бұрын
Met a guy stationed on the Constitution , in North Fork Virginia. He tells me they got their quarters below deck. Refrigerator , all the modern things you would expect they get liberty every night. Duty is standing on the Quarterdeck when visitors come on board , and take the walk of the ship. Goldbricking duty.
@swordmonkey6635
3 жыл бұрын
Frigates were either 4th or 5th class Ships of The Line in the RN so technically, Constitution was a Ship of The Line. Just not a 1st or 2nd Rater.
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
'Rates' were primarily determined by the number of guns a warship was designed to mount and how they were mounted. First and Second Rate Line of Battleships normally shipped their guns on three full gundecks, 90 or more guns. Third Rates carried their armament of between 50 and 90 guns on two full gundecks. The most common of these averaged 74 guns, some with more and some with less. Fourth and fifth rates were warships of a single gun deck mounting fewer than 50 guns in the British Navy, with most being classified as Frigates or Sloops of War. Note that it is the enclosed gundecks that count even though most warships including Victory and Constitution carried some of their armament on the weather decks above the gundecks. American frigates usually carried more and heavier guns than their European counterparts. In Constitution (44 gun, Fifth Rate) a significant portion of her armament was carried on the weather deck or 'Spar Deck.' As designed Constitution is a classic 'Frigate,' not a Ship of the Line, she would not have been able to last in combat against a Third Rate except under exceptional circumstances.
@swordmonkey6635
3 жыл бұрын
@@robertf3479 Frigates were couriers and picket boats in RN Order of Battle. While not considered main line ships, they would still be tasked to engage the enemy and escort damaged or captured ships. The Constitution was a "super frigate" and built up as a USN mini-first rater in that she was a main-line ship of war. Her gun numbers and weights fluctuated over her career as new captains played with different combinations to find a good balance between seaworthiness (good distribution of canon weight throughout the ship) and broadside firepower. Some builds were deemed "over gunned" and she shed guns for seaworthiness and handling.
@gwtpictgwtpict4214
3 жыл бұрын
Er, no. Only first through third rates were designated as ships of the line in the RN. Forth rates were fairly rare by Nelson's time, fifth and sixth rates were frigates, finally you had unrated ships, sloops, brigs and the like. At 44 guns Constitution would have been a large fifth rate. Edited because my memory failed me on the first go.
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
@@swordmonkey6635 The 'President' type or class of 44 gun Frigate like Constitution were the result of a compromise. There was a faction in Congress which wanted the USN to build Ships of the Line while others balked at the projected cost to build 74s. Another faction pointed out that there was no way the US at that time could build enough of these ships to make a difference against the Royal Navy or French Navy. These people were also afraid that Battleships could get the US drawn into a European war on one side or another. But there was also the problem of US merchantmen being victimized or attacked by the Moors of the Barbary coast as well as the warring European powers. A solution had to be found. Even the 'Peace at any price' side grudgingly agreed warships were needed. After quite a lot of negotiation it was decided to build what was originally to be 12 "Frigates" but Congress kept cutting back on the numbers, eventually settling on a total of 6 Frigates, 3 rated at 44 guns and 3 of 36 guns. As a concession to the "Ship of the Line" lobby the 44s were to be the very heaviest ships that could be built without becoming battleships. The 44s were designed with dimensions, framing and sides nearly as heavy and thick as the current generation French 74s, as heavy or heavier than many 64 gun Third Rates like those Britain would station in Canada or the West Indies and far heavier than the run of the mill British 32 and 36 gun frigates. The British normally armed their frigates with guns capable of firing12 or 18 pound shot. The American 36 and 44 gun ships carried (originally) 24 pound guns on the gun deck and 32 pound short barrel 'Carronades' on the weather or Spar deck. The Brit made 24s turned out to be too heavy for the 36 gun ships like USS Constellation, so their Captains obtained permission to replace those with French and British made 18 pounders. After the change Constellation was like a totally new ship, now rated as a 38 gun frigate. Instead of being somewhat slow and hard to handle because of being over gunned she and near identical twin Congress quickly earned reputations of being very fast and 'quick in stays' (highly maneuverable.) President, Constitution and United States were rated as 44 gun frigates, 24 pound main battery and 32 pound carronades but over their lives Constitution carried as many as 55 guns (War of 1812) and United States replaced her 32 pound carronades with 42 pound guns. President was reputed to be the fastest of the three and United States the slowest and least maneuverable due to serious hull / keel damage at launch. The only one of the three lost in combat was President during the War of 1812. Captain Decatur was trying to break out past the British blockade and ran aground, badly damaging her bottom. He was quickly surrounded by 3 (?) British frigates including a former Ship of the Line cut down (razed) to become a heavy frigate of 50 guns, main battery 32 pounders. He surrendered, saving the lives of his crew. United States survived until she was burned at the beginning of the American Civil War along with a number of other warships including Merrimac and at least two Ships of the Line, including the 120 gun Pennsylvania when the Norfolk Navy Yard in Portsmouth VA was abandoned to the Confederacy.
@swordmonkey6635
3 жыл бұрын
@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 A "Rated" ship was a ship of the line in the Order of Battle. As in 3rd Rate Ship of the Line, which was the full title of the rating system. At around the time of Trafalgar, Nelson used frigates as messenger boats and pickets. There are historical accounts of frigates being the "eyes of the fleet" and keeping an enemy fleet/ship or harbor in contact while the slower ships moved to engage or were tasked elsewhere. Blocking or watching Spanish ports etc. The fact that the RN designated their frigates as blockade ships in the War of 1812 testifies to their use when going against comparable or smaller vessels. The fact that most of the RN frigates were much older and less advanced than the Constitution and her sisters caused the RN ships (some old French ships) to be outmatched.
@cmoore8658
3 жыл бұрын
I'd live to see another "BB NJ VS", perhaps with the plans for an Italian BB? A few Italian CAs?-
@BlackEpyon
3 жыл бұрын
Aww, look at those cute little cannons :D
@cp1cupcake
2 жыл бұрын
Ironically, USS Constitution is probably better armored than most warships today.
@rbmk__1000
3 жыл бұрын
Yes but which one would win, I must know.
@StuckOnAFireHydrant
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when I visited the constitution a long long time ago. I was maybe 7 going camping in Massachusetts (I'm from NY) and we stopped at Boston and Salem. Saw the Friendship and toured the constitution. They were also restoring a whaling ship. A piece of wood they were chipping off fell right next to me as we walked past so I picked it up and that became my souvenir. I wonder what became of that ship?
@thomasb1889
3 жыл бұрын
The Humphrey's designed ships were the best of their day. The four Constitution class ships carried almost the same firepower of a 74 gun SOL in the hull of a frigate and could smash a 38 gun frigate to splinters in minutes.
@hernerweisenberg7052
3 жыл бұрын
Only if comanded well as two of them where captured by smaller frigates (38gun/40gun)
@cleverusername9369
2 жыл бұрын
USS Constitution has the distinction of being the world's oldest commissioned warship still afloat. HMS Victory is the oldest warship still in commission, but she is no longer afloat.
@Ozark-nq9uu
3 жыл бұрын
Constitution vs New Jersey in battle.... Constitution would probably do zero damage.
@Packless1
3 жыл бұрын
...fun-fact: 'Constitution' it the only US-Navy ship in service (on paper ;-) that actually sunk an enemy ship...!
@MonkeySlapper64
3 жыл бұрын
Great narration!
@resolute123
3 жыл бұрын
USS Constitution was once converted into a barracks ship. She looked like a house on top of ship hull. Really weird looking.
@robertstone9988
3 жыл бұрын
Who's this guy? Where's Ryan?
@RealJohnnyDingo
3 жыл бұрын
even Ryan gets a vacation day once in a while 😅
@johnnash5118
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I mistakenly added a link to the mill, which YT doesn’t apparently allow and deleted the whole post. So here it is again. The USS Constitution was partially refurbished in the early 90’s, including some of its massive beams, spars and masts; they were made of the strongest wood pound for pound- “Compression Wood” of the Douglas Fir tree. It only occurs at the bottom 40 or so feet of these giant old growth trees over 200’ tall. These were cut into up to 24”x24” timbers and trimmed with a 60” diameter radial trim saw operated by me at Hull-Oakes Lumber Co., Dawson, OR.; the only lumber mill capable of routinely handling 8 foot and larger diameter logs up to 85 feet in length.
@Gingerbreadley
3 жыл бұрын
So how many would it take any guesses? You might have to throw enough to make an Iowa run out of ammo and fuel and then try to board it…
@johnshepherd8687
3 жыл бұрын
Given her size and power in her halcyon days the Constitution is more or less the equivalent of an Alaska Class large cruiser.
@Packless1
3 жыл бұрын
...yes, indeed... ...the 'stonger than faster ships, but faster than stronger ships' design-philosophy will be seen later in ships like the 'Graf Spee' or 'Alaska'...!
@libraeotequever3pointoh95
3 жыл бұрын
USS Constitution. "New Jersey, I am your great, great, great, and pretty awesome grandma. Let's go bake some cookies." The New Jersey. "Aye, aye, Nanna."
@adamdubin1276
3 жыл бұрын
Constitution also has the distinction of being the Prettiest Lady in the US Navy... just look at those graceful lines, won't find that on a modern warship.
@patcb829
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Clark. A fine name too may I add.
@jaysonlima9271
3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm Constitution V Battleship, well pre video I'm going to go on a limb and say life on the the Constitution is about to become incredibly exciting and exceedingly brief
@lonnyyoung4285
3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea that Constitution's main mast was that tall.
@guyledouche633
3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful short video. Well done.
@jaredharris1970
3 жыл бұрын
The constitution is the oldest commissioned ship in the navy it’s still on active duty unofficially
@jagdson2701
2 жыл бұрын
Next video should be "USS New Jersey versus the horror of living in New Jersey."
@mindeloman
3 жыл бұрын
I believe the last time Constitution sailed under her own power was in the late 90's and it was the first time since before the Civil War. It was a pretty big deal and the navy brought out a lot of modern ships to escort her but of course, she was lead ship in the squadron and the Blue Angels did a flyover.
@cp1cupcake
2 жыл бұрын
She was at sea, not just under her own power, a few decades after the Civil War and sailed to France and back for an expo. It wasn't a great idea. She had some cruises afterwards, but I think at that point people started to realise that having it go on ocean voyages is a bad idea.
@thomasprinsen1241
3 жыл бұрын
The “Dark Seas” channel has a video called “operation sea dragon” that mentions the Battleship New Jersey at the 8:00 minute mark. Very effective during the Vietnam war.
@BeKindToBirds
Жыл бұрын
Careful with the dark seas/skies/etc channel good production value and a decent scope but full of inaccuracies and mistruths. Kind of like mark felton or drachnifial the quality of the research and accuracy of the narrative never really grew with the channel. Not saying don't watch these kinds, just keep it in mind like you are watching a (later) history channel documentary that the overall impression and some of the facts may be wrong. If you find a subject from those channels and are interested in it, dig deeper!
@seatedliberty
3 жыл бұрын
All New Jersey would have to do is sail up to the Constitution and drop it’s anchor on it and it would win. I prefer to envision a Final Countdown scenario where the New Jersey travels back in time to where the Constitution is surrounded by 6 or 7 enemy warships that demand she surrender and just then New Jersey steams in and uses a 16” high capacity shell to convert the lead enemy ship into toothpicks so the Constitution’s captain can go “you were saying...”?
@RailPreserver2K
3 жыл бұрын
One thing I have to ask about though if the rudder mechanism on New Jersey got damaged would there be some way of making a practical manual tiller ? A film regarding the sinking of ss Pendleton showed the crew using a steel I-beam to help turn the rudder
@BattleshipNewJersey
3 жыл бұрын
Here's the redundant system for that: kzitem.info/news/bejne/sJ2arYutcHyhrKQ
@RailPreserver2K
3 жыл бұрын
@@BattleshipNewJersey ah thanks you man
@31dknight
3 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@looneyflight
2 жыл бұрын
Aww you didn't mention speed range or turning radius.
@burroaks7
3 жыл бұрын
very very cool
@stevewindisch7400
3 жыл бұрын
The real question should be, who wins TODAY in 2021. NJ has no operable guns or ammo at all. It cannot move or steer under its own power. Constitution is technically still in seagoing shape. At least a few of the guns are original and would take little time or effort to get operational again. I've seen shot on board, so it just needs powder (maybe they have some of that for ceremonial shots). So Constitution just sits next to the stern, aft of the belt, and blasts some holes at the waterline. Then does the same at the bow forward of the belt. At close range, the cannon balls break through the hull. The hand-full of NJ's volunteers try to run around closing doors and figuring out how to counter-flood... Probably not in time. USS Constitution wins.
@FrancSchiphorst
3 жыл бұрын
NJ crew manhandles one of the shells and drops it over the railing, job done ;) And there probably still is enough flammable liquid to light up the constitution if it comes to close. If it gets away far enough they can use the 5" gun they use to salute
@stevewindisch7400
3 жыл бұрын
@@FrancSchiphorst I appreciate your comments and it sounds fun, however the 5" is not really operational, it just uses small charges to simulate a firing. The Navy insists no guns be usable on museum ships (which the Constitution technically is not). As for a 2,600 lb shell... There are no real ones with explosives on board they are fiberglass replicas. It could be one of the inert practice shells are real. They are almost as heavy as HE shells, but getting one up on deck would be problematic. And Old Ironsides would probably sit 50 yards off to keep her rigging clear. The only thing that could work would be to try to load and fire the 16" or 5" guns like old muzzle loaded cannon. But the problems are how to ignite the charge, and where to get the powder and shot. Another thing would be to use the NJ's pumps (which are now 230 or 440 Volt versions), to create high pressure jets that could possibly reach Constitution; that would keep Old Ironside's crew busy. If it moved off and increased the range, the 24 pounder shot would probably no longer penetrate the NJ's standard hull plating, so they would be in a conundrum.
@FrancSchiphorst
3 жыл бұрын
@@stevewindisch7400 50 yards, so withing range of any flares that might still be on board ;)
@stevewindisch7400
3 жыл бұрын
@@FrancSchiphorst Not bad, but Coast Guard approved flares are nothing like the old 5" star shells ;) They could possibly start some small fires though. Earlier I forgot that the turrets for the 16" guns can no longer move. I think some of the 5" turrets do though. I think if they could get the big pumps working like a fire fighting boat, they could aim at the gun ports of the few working 24 lb cannon on Constitution's gun deck and drown them out. It would be like a weird whack-a-mole game, as soon as the Old Ironsides sailors opened a port to fire, the pump guys on the NJ would have to shoot water into them lol.
@libraeotequever3pointoh95
3 жыл бұрын
How about the ship which pulls-in more tourism dollars is the winner?
@kuehnel16
3 жыл бұрын
Ok i was wrong. It was the Missouri. But maybe Cher could do a set on all 4 iowas
@elliotatkinson429
3 жыл бұрын
Dope AF
@BlackbirdGLI
3 жыл бұрын
This is like one of those “who would win in a fight? USS New Jersey or ditka” Honestly I can’t bet against coach but…
@RailPreserver2K
3 жыл бұрын
I hate to say it but if you fired a 16-inch shell at Constitution it would be a one-hit kill because the whole ship would be reduced to splinters
@LordEvan5
3 жыл бұрын
This was the subject of an episode of GI Joe if memory serves
@JackBurtonPCE1986
3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Sink the Montana. Apparently the USS Montana was actually built in the GI Joe universe. I still love that episode, it's surprisingly literate in naval history for a plot so bonkers.
@TomD1999
3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering how a single WWI Spad fighter would fair against a squadron of P 51's. Or maybe Mike Tyson in his prime against Nancy Pelosi in a cage fight. (I would pay money for that!)
@WALTERBROADDUS
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. This kinda of a goofy question.
@Bierstadt54
3 жыл бұрын
I would too.
@Hibernicus1968
3 жыл бұрын
I know, I thought this would be a comparison of _Constitution_ against a contemporary ship of the line, like H.M.S. _Victory,_ the battleships of their day, and as the video notes, the direct ancestors of battleships like the _New Jersey._ Though even that would be not be a fair comparison. _Constitution_ was a frigate -- a much lighter, smaller ship, with a different role. She was heavier than the frigates of other navies at the time, and sufficiently superior to them that the British admiralty eventually issued an order that Royal Navy frigates were not to engage an American frigate in a one on one fight. But still, though heavy for a frigate, about the only way _Constitution_ could conceivably have beaten a ship of the line like _Victory_ would have been if the ship of the line ran aground, and _Constitution_ was able to sail around behind her and pour broadsides into her undefended stern. In truth these two classes of ship would never have faced each other. The skipper of a frigate would have run from a fight with a ship of the line, and a ship of the line wouldn't have been fast enough to catch her. That was the whole design philosophy behind the American heavy frigates: sort of like the German pocket battleships of WWII -- powerful enough to outgun anything they couldn't outrun, and fast enough to outrun anything they couldn't outgun.
@Ashfielder
3 жыл бұрын
As of September 21st? This video was filmed in the future!
@BattleshipNewJersey
3 жыл бұрын
This is a year-old video!
@simperous4308
3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a jolly boat…
@30AndHatingIt
5 ай бұрын
Constitution sails over the horizon during a foggy day. New Jersey’s radar struggles to ascertain what she is, as her wooden construction makes the operators think she’s a smaller vessel. As such, they cannot fire on her without identification. Perhaps she is a mail ship, bringing them letters from home, snacks and 1980’s Playboy mags. Constitution closes the distance and comes into view… New Jersey crew erupts in laughter seeing the wooden sailing vessel, “nice day for fishing ain’t it, boys?” they yell tauntingly over the railing, “y’all got a harpoon for whales on board?” Just then, Constitution opens up with a full broadside, raking the entire superstructure of the New Jersey. The bridge, radar masts, CIWS and box launchers are all obliterated. Dead crewman and severed limbs litter the decks. Communications masts were also hit… New Jersey can’t call for help. She tries to aim her 5” and 16” guns down, but they don’t go that low. Constitution opens up with multiple further broadsides and secondary batteries, preventing the Marines attached onboard from even being able to poke their heads out and make any attempts at reaching the deck to return fire. Additionally, this provides cover for Constitution’s boarding party to assemble and make their way onto New Jersey. Not even think of using grenades on their own vessel, New Jersey’s Marines are caught by surprise and eliminated by Constitution’s boarding party lobbing their grenades inside. Making their way up to the bridge through fierce hand-to-hand fighting, most of the surviving officers on New Jersey surrender to the boarding party because it sure beats being the first dudes run through with a sword in 300 years. The captain of the Constitution makes his way to the bridge and accepts the surrender of the captain of the New Jersey… and his ship. So it’s doable.
@HailAzathoth
3 ай бұрын
Lol Connie's cannons wouldn't even touch the superstructure on NJ 😂
@garyt4800
3 жыл бұрын
Great video guys
@spergicide97
3 жыл бұрын
Ok but... Which would win in a fight?
@ericsapp8020
3 жыл бұрын
What if they met in battle?
@resolute123
3 жыл бұрын
Because the way USS Constitution was built, would you consider her a battlecruiser of her time? Or would you consider her a frigate killer?
@frankbarnwell____
3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah
@VintageCarHistory
3 жыл бұрын
Constitution VS New Jersey- If the NJ opens fire first, it's over for the frigate. The only chance the Constitution would be not to fire. Fly all the flags and just sail right up alongside NJ. If the NJ doesn't fire and just assumes it some sort of ceremonial thing, the marines from Conny can attempt a boarding action.
@HailAzathoth
3 ай бұрын
And get shot?
@cp1cupcake
2 жыл бұрын
USS Constitution would like to pustulate on the question of Theseus's ship. USS NJ is too new.
@ScipioAfricanusI
3 жыл бұрын
Wait. The video says VERSUS. I wanted to see New Jersey and Constitution fight. Can someone animate that, please?
@timjballin
6 ай бұрын
Actually, she’s the oldest commissioned warship in the world.
@TheEvertw
3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Binkov could do a simulation of New Jersey vs. the combined Anglo-French fleet at trafalgar, 1805?
@enalche2
3 жыл бұрын
In trafalgar there was no Anglo-French fleet, It was a Franco-Spanish fleet (filled with critics because of the french command that led to the loss of a lot of ships of the spanish Navy) vs the British
@TheEvertw
3 жыл бұрын
@@enalche2 The sudden appearance of an aggressive outer-worldly ship carrying a US flag might cause alliances to shift...
@robertf3479
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheEvertw Only until that "aggressive otherworldly ship" ran out of fuel. Then what?
@skovner
9 ай бұрын
But, as far as I know, no one wrote a poem for the New Jersey.
@artokiiskinen1058
3 жыл бұрын
isnt Iowa class battleship hull form actually suboptimal in terms of speed? She would be faster if she were somewhat wider. The width being dictated by the Panama canal.
@DeliveryMcGee
2 жыл бұрын
Narrower is faster, AFAIK.
@NinjaRelic1
3 жыл бұрын
Wow very surprising i always thought these two ships were exactly the same 🙁
@spikedpsycho2383
3 жыл бұрын
Wind powered, non magnetic, silent running
@davidb6576
3 жыл бұрын
Eh, it's got some magnetic signature, with all the cannon and shot on board.
@Packless1
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidb6576...but very few... ...might be a fine mine-sweeper...! ;-) ...mine-sweepers are still build from wood for this reason - even today...! ...b.t.w. famous 'Calypso' was a former mine-sweeper...!
@Alphaeon1196
3 жыл бұрын
> Longest battleship in History Wouldn’t that go to Yamato or Musashi?
@jakobknudsen3296
3 жыл бұрын
Iowas are 8 meters longer. Yamato was a lot heavier though
@michaelmoorrees3585
3 жыл бұрын
@@jakobknudsen3296 - Real reason the Yamato & Musashi sank. They were out of shape, and needed to go on a diet.
@Packless1
3 жыл бұрын
...longest AND largest would have been the Monatana-class - but they were cancelled shortly after the beginning of WW2 in favor of more aircraft-carriers...! ...Yamato-class was 263m but Iowa was 271m long, but the japanese ships - and the german Bismarck-class too - were wider, because they didn't have to fit into the locks of the Panama-canal...! ...the Montana-class would have been the first american battleships where the Navy abandoned that requirement...!
@DeliveryMcGee
2 жыл бұрын
@@jakobknudsen3296 Yamato class were THICC
@finscreenname
3 жыл бұрын
USS Constellation will take you both on.... 😜
@abledog9462
3 жыл бұрын
Isn't Wisconsin longer?
@BattleshipNewJersey
3 жыл бұрын
No, that's a common myth though. And no, the collision didn't make it longer either.
@abledog9462
3 жыл бұрын
@@BattleshipNewJersey I am inclined to believe you. There is a lot of conflicting information out there however. Might this be deserving of a video?
@BattleshipNewJersey
3 жыл бұрын
Done! kzitem.info/news/bejne/xGh7qG19kISEdmU
@IRON-DUKE
2 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t the USS Constitution a Manowar?
@Letyourcolorsblendwithmine
3 жыл бұрын
A better question, how many USS Constitution's could an Iowa fight and win? A thousand?
@HailAzathoth
3 ай бұрын
I mean, depends how much ammo NJ can carry lol
@julieenslow5915
3 жыл бұрын
Guys, please don't sic New Jersey on the USS Constitution!! It's a very one sided fight!!
@sirmalus5153
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, New Jersey could just ram the wooden ship and cut it in two. Game over.
@MrDDiRusso
3 жыл бұрын
Fortunately, or rather, unfortunately, USS New Jersey isn't going anywhere.
@julieenslow5915
3 жыл бұрын
@@sirmalus5153 Yes indeed. But do remember the Constitution was known as "Old Ironsides" because cannon balls would bounce off her sides. Steel vs wood, of course the New Jersey could ram her and sink her but she might scratch and dent a little. Easier to just stand off and use her weapons. She would be pristine. But we don't want to lose either of them so let's not do that, ok?
@panachevitz
3 жыл бұрын
Especially since The Constitution is still capable of moving whereas the New Jersey is not. The Constitution would just park at the aft of New Jersey, cross the T, and rake her aft through and through. ;)
@GaryED44
3 жыл бұрын
I think I read someplace that only about 17 percent of the Constitution is original these days. Is this true?
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know the exact figure, but I read somewhere that during the 1990s refit the Navy or USS Constitution Museum estimated that only around that much or up to 20% of her remaining timbers are original to the ship, probably in the keel and lower framing. Unfortunately wood is an organic material and is subject to rot and such. I think nearly all of the hull planking has been replaced over time as has decking, masts and yards. Much of her upper hull had been modified from her 1812 appearance during her active service life and much of this was re-modified to match the drawings and shipyard drafts during refits in the 1970s and mid 1990s. Hull strengthening "diagonal riders," additional framing that had been designed into the ship by Joshua Humphreys and removed (as I recall) in the mid-1800s were researched, designed and added to the hull in the 1990s with the intent to renew her strength in preparation for a possible cruise along the East Coast during her 1997 "200 year Birthday." That idea was quashed because no one in the higher echelons of the Navy Department wanted to risk this irreplaceable relic on the open sea. On the other hand, the work done to strengthen her, restore her rigging and manufacture sails allowed the ship and crew to sail independently for that Birthday for the first time in something like a century, something she now does every year or so.
@Phil-D83
3 жыл бұрын
Constitution could not really harm an iowa class; even raming would not work.
@studinthemaking
3 жыл бұрын
Ironsides would send over a few hogsheads of rum to NJ. NJ crew gets drunk and passes out. Old Ironsides pulls up. Boards ship and take it over. Old iron side wins without firing a shot.
@michaelfisher7170
3 жыл бұрын
But then Constitution's crew, utterly amazed and flabergasted by New Jersey's galley, gorge themselves on steak, chicken, enchiladas and mac and cheese...they too pass out. ;)
@studinthemaking
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelfisher7170 and ice cream. so it a time traveling crew Verses another time traveling crew?
Now now the title clearly says 'Vs' in it, so c'mon where's the analysis of how the battle would go? ;D
@stevenjennings197
3 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is, Constitution has a puncher's chance?😂
@QurikyBark32919
3 жыл бұрын
New Jersey could wreck constitution with its AA, there’s no competition
@lonnyyoung4285
3 жыл бұрын
Or just steam straight through Constitution. If NJ is doing 33kts, and Constitution is making whatever speed it could make in a decent wind, I wonder if it would have enough maneuverability and speed to dodge a ramming attempt.
@SSN515
3 жыл бұрын
Constitution never took on a Ship of the Line. Would have been blown apart if they even tried.
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
In 1992 my ship pulled into Portsmouth England for liberty and maintenance. I took one of my young seamen to tour HMS Victory. He asked our tour guide (Royal Navy Chief) how long USS Constitution would last in a fight with Victory, the Chief answered "About three broadsides." I think he was probably right.
@SSN515
3 жыл бұрын
@@robertf3479 More like two, with some of the big ones. They sailed something like 4 of them into Algiers and the coastal Fort took a shot at them. The Royal Navy then blew the tar out of the entire city, fort, harbor, ships and left.
@robertf3479
3 жыл бұрын
@@SSN515 Victory WAS one of the "Big Ones," a 104 gun Three Deck First Rate.
@SSN515
3 жыл бұрын
@@robertf3479 Yes, I know. They also traveled in a line of battle. I seem to recall the Constitution would have been a 4th or 5th rate in the RN. I was also thinking of ships like HMS Caledonia and such. And don't forget HMS St. Lawrence. I did a dive on what's left of that ship once.
@gwtpictgwtpict4214
3 жыл бұрын
@@SSN515 At 44 guns she would have been a large fifth rate.
@angryvoices177
3 жыл бұрын
a new face , how nice
@OldHorse1000
3 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression the Constitution was the oldest commissioned ship in the world, not the United States, Did I miss something?
@coyotehater
3 жыл бұрын
HMS Victory holds the honor of oldest commissioned warship.
@OldHorse1000
3 жыл бұрын
@@coyotehater Thank You. Not doubting, just trying to remember the tour I took of the Constitution several years ago and the information I got then. I remembering being impressed at the time. Is this something that has changed or has this always been? Thanks again for the reply.
@OldHorse1000
3 жыл бұрын
@@coyotehater Maybe "Afloat" is the operative difference.
@ClarkPerks
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, “afloat” is the key word.
@Packless1
3 жыл бұрын
@@coyotehater career of Victory and Constitution: ~200+ Years career of Vasa: less than half an hour...! ;-)
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