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@pepesilvia4564
Ай бұрын
This video could've been 5 mins, learn to be succint, that's the reason your channel is stagnant and not growing. There are 100s of videos about this better writen, shorter, more to the point.
@kavinh10
29 күн бұрын
@@pepesilvia4564 it's intentional to drag it out so the ad is only 10% of the video. awful practice and kind of cringy given how bad the video is.
@vide0gameCaster
28 күн бұрын
If your code has nothing to do to in getting access to Deadlock then idgaf!
@yiturlye
28 күн бұрын
I have this game if you want it add SerYitDaTall
@docwhogr
28 күн бұрын
it wasn't a yes/no, accept/decline dialog is was a ok dialog. ok dialogs close either with clicking ok or pressing esc... the nda was accepted by his employer and is has only informed for that...
@tsfreddie
29 күн бұрын
I think Valve does not care whether you talk about the game. What they actually don't want is to have people seeing the unfinished UI and mostly placeholder assets. Every now and then Valve just drops a update that replaces a batch of the game's assets. Because there are too many placeholders, they are afraid to let everyone see all the temporary assets and make people believe this is exactly what it will look like on release.
@astralyd
29 күн бұрын
Yes, and they get a lot of feedback that way, which helps them improve the map and other things.
@Arzeefy
29 күн бұрын
Yeah, this what valve meant
@moonasha
26 күн бұрын
sad truth, people are too dumb to understand what placeholder is, so they have to hide it.
@themanager10yearsago29
23 күн бұрын
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@JamesBD05
21 күн бұрын
I just wish the average joe could understand the development process and how things change over the project's development. The same thing happened with the GTA 6 leak, "eugh this game looks terrible" well of course; it's not finished
@TheDemolitionMonk
Ай бұрын
I do not blame the Verge but I would argue that the ban was also a valid response from Valve. I would argue that is the real gentlemen's agreement.
@zzzzzap
Ай бұрын
yes indeed! Absolutely valid ban!
@BellularNews
Ай бұрын
Yep, Valve are 100% within their rights
@MyUsualComment
Ай бұрын
Sure, but Valve also could've made the pop-up required. Like a game not being playable unless you agree to Terms & Conditions.
@guardbone34
Ай бұрын
@@MyUsualComment Not really, without anyway to explicitly reject ToS mean they implicitly agree to the ToS by playing the game. It's like how silence can be used as prove in court.
@MyUsualComment
Ай бұрын
@@guardbone34 Let me rephrase: I can't play WoW without accepting the T&Cs. Like, literally can't play. Valve could've done something similar.
@smileyxiii481
Ай бұрын
"Valve's Next Game Is NOT Here yet" I fixed your title
@Groniu9
29 күн бұрын
im playing everyday, so i guess its here, are you restarded?
@cashington5756
29 күн бұрын
@@Groniu9are you playing a full release that can be talked about and played by anyone interested? Or are you playing some garbage beta build that will be drastically changed before release, one you only got access to because you have 10000 hours in tf2 for some reason?
@soklot
29 күн бұрын
Can't find it on Steam.
@Wohlfe
29 күн бұрын
It's closed beta but they're expanding it, I got an invite the other day
@zachearyvang1189
29 күн бұрын
@@soklot if you can't find a game on steam, does it not exist in your mind?
@vinnythewebsurfer
Ай бұрын
This feels more like a social experiment than anything else.
@greatbigeyeball
Ай бұрын
This is consistent with how valve releases games lol
@honeyfuntime
29 күн бұрын
It's smart honestly Having 20k people beta testing your game for free without labelling it as early Access
@rhythm-peko9408
29 күн бұрын
@@honeyfuntime they're perfectionists i guess with releases
@zachearyvang1189
29 күн бұрын
@@rhythm-peko9408 as long as you ignore all the games that flopped like dota underlords and artifact.
@rhythm-peko9408
29 күн бұрын
@@zachearyvang1189 hahaha yeah guess we can't call them perfectionists
@maekailb
29 күн бұрын
The first rule about fight club, is you do not talk about fight club
@katieblackmore2004
27 күн бұрын
You just broke the first rule then matey, because you just spoke about it making that point................ But i get ya lol
@maekailb
27 күн бұрын
@@katieblackmore2004 lol touché
@odaizoh
22 күн бұрын
@@katieblackmore2004 It would only be breaking the rule if you are in the club. Just like I cannot break a law of a country, that I am not in..... But I get the funny ya tried there lol
@Jambara
26 күн бұрын
If you are going to spend 60% of the video talking about the Verge, "non"-non-disclosure agreements, and journalism maybe title the video appropriately?
@arsmolinarc2881
15 күн бұрын
Yep. This video was a waste of time
@Jo-Heike
Ай бұрын
I feel like the Verge has been adequately punished, I mean, they did lose access to playing the closed Deadlock playtest.
@hilkmeister1382
Ай бұрын
They broke basic ethics, they are not to be trusted by anyone.
@gearhead417
Ай бұрын
on that one steam account. so really they didnt lose access at all
@blueredingreen
Ай бұрын
Is this sarcasm? A journalist losing access to a closed playtest of a game which they already wrote an article about is barely above not punishing them at all.
@kavinh10
29 күн бұрын
nice joke, its a shame people can't just make another account and invite them right given how its a closed beta but you can invite anyone you want once you're in.
@Jo-Heike
29 күн бұрын
@@blueredingreen No I am serious.
@Dexorfs
29 күн бұрын
Rare occasion where I disagree with Bellular. I don't think Verge were "bringing worthwhile news" to us. They just wanted to be the first ones to get this scoop and the accompanying clicks. Also, I think "I got rid of the window by pressing escape so I'm not beholden to it" is the biggest nitpick ever and you honestly shouldn't have included it. It's not a legally binding agreement in the first place so it doesn't matter all that much in that sense, but it just feels like an incredibly weaselly argument to make. Up until now Valve were able to get an organic, slow, steady growth of people testing their game, essentially through word of mouth. Now, over the 4-5 days since the article, the daily peak has doubled, and just about any circle for the game is filled with people looking for invites. How many people will look at the unfinished product, decide that the game is not for them, and leave to never look back? As much as it is on Valve for not doing actual NDAs or limited invites if they wanted to stay on top of this, I also don't think they intended this as a marketing strategy. You don't continue taking down gameplay videos and streams of your gameplay, right as you are supposedly trying to build hype..
@knivestv0
Ай бұрын
The notion that you avoided agreeing by simply pressing a button isn’t quite accurate. The popup clearly stated, "Do not share anything," and clicking OK wasn’t about accepting it; rather, it was more about following the instruction to make the message disappear. Alternatively, you could have pressed escape to achieve the same outcome.
@gearhead417
Ай бұрын
That will not hold up in any legal situation. The ok button works as confirmation to you agreeing with the above statement. Since they never agreed to the statement and the game still let them play than its Valve's own fault for letting something like that happen
@FaticusDolphinius
Ай бұрын
Nah for a ToS to be adequate you need something having an acceptance condition. Lots of games do this by letting you know that playing the game in general means you accept it. This didn’t have that so the only form of acceptance is the Ok button
@kavinh10
29 күн бұрын
@@gearhead417 No your nonsense wouldn't hold up, it will have wording saying by playing our game you agree to these terms. You're literally saying because he pressed esc instead of clicking yes he doesn't have to worry about anything. It doesn't matter if he clicked abcddefg backspace ctrl alt f2-f5. He saw the warning passed the page then ignored it and continued to play the game
@didjidks
29 күн бұрын
@@gearhead417you are agreeing with the statement by continuing playing the game. Also, as you can see there's "do not show anymore" button, which means you are still going to see this every time you launch the game until you check it. This is just a notice, not a agreement itself
@didjidks
29 күн бұрын
@@FaticusDolphiniusthis is not a ToS, it's just a notice. If it was an agreement then the button should be called "agree" or "accept"
@draigaur9543
29 күн бұрын
Words can have unknown consequences,where I used to work when answered the phone we had to say “How may I help you,not how can I help you” because the latter entered the company into a verbal contract.
@Standbackforscience
Ай бұрын
Several years ago someone set up an art piece at a museum - it was a goldfish swimming in a blender. The audience had the option to walk up and turn the blender on. Most people simply looked on and got the point, but of course, there had to be that one guy who just had to push that button. That's what the Verge did here. It's not that the Verge broke this game. It's not like Valve didn't expect this to happen. It's just ... some people were having a moment being part of something special, and the Verge just had to come along like a whiny little narc and made it about them. This episode also perfectly demonstrates the difference between a journalist and a hack - a journalist looks to expose the truth. A hack looks for a scoop. And a hack needing to argue that a scoop was "newsworthy" is like a comedian needing to explain a punchline after it fails to land.
@ai-spacedestructor
Ай бұрын
also moments like these are why we cant have nice things, they are also part of the reason why valve never talks about this. valve in a rare moment trusted the public and the verge to barged in and disrespected that trust. i assume all future texting for the next few titles will be in house or with contractors who sign a formal nda and we wont hear about it until its released or they put out a trailer or something. when those days come we will look back and think how nice it was of valve to trust us like this and regret that the Verge exists.
@siddhantdeepful
29 күн бұрын
What do you mean??! This is literally part of reporting. Not reporting something which is for the public interest is an insane thing to suggest.
@ai-spacedestructor
29 күн бұрын
@@siddhantdeepful its insane that you think journalists are allowed to break legally binding contracts for this. when the Verge played it regardless how they moved past the pop up they agreed to not talk about it as the terms that the pop up layed out. there should have been harsher punishment then "just" a game ban for them disrespecting the contract they made.
@siddhantdeepful
29 күн бұрын
@@ai-spacedestructor Mate you have made it clear that you don't understand how legal contracts work. A EULA is not a legally binding contract, NDAs are legally binding and even then if NDA are broken you have to prove in court that breaking of NDA has done harm to the company.
@ai-spacedestructor
29 күн бұрын
@@siddhantdeepful i assume your living in a country with different laws then mine because where im living everything i said is roughly right or at least as right as you can expect someone to be who isnt a law expert. dont go arround on the internet assuming everyone lives under the same laws as you.
@blueredingreen
Ай бұрын
"I pressed Escape instead of clicking OK" - we all know that's just someone making pedantic arguments, so they can act like they're justified in doing what they want, even though they know perfectly well that they're violating an agreement. This video is filled with very weird takes: - "they talked about something in the public domain" - no, they talked about their own experience after continuing past a message saying they shouldn't talk about it. If they wanted to talk about what's in the public domain, then they could've done that. But they didn't. - "if Valve wanted to keep it a secret, they absolutely could have" - maybe, but that changes nothing about whether they violated an agreement. - "the press doesn't work for developers, they serve their readers" - also changes nothing about whether they violated an agreement. Unless you're saying them serving their readers makes it okay to violate whatever agreements they want, which would make it agreements carry zero weight and no-one would be able to trust anyone else. The only thing that gets remotely close to an actual justification is that people are allowed to invite other people, which suggests that the original message shouldn't be taken 100% literally, but writing a news article about it still seems like it's going too far.
@brianfhunter
Ай бұрын
The only think i dont agree with your comment, is that they serve their readers... if that was true, they wouldnt write 99% of the trash they do. If they dont write for their readers, than for who? i dont know, probably no one... that would also explain why every single one of these Game News are on the verge of bankruptcy...
@MaF1e
Ай бұрын
I don't get his takes or why would he even insert them, used to be Bellular NEWS, now there is too much "I think", "I feel", "should be".
@blueredingreen
Ай бұрын
@@brianfhunter Well, like most companies, they serve themselves - their goal is to make money. They serve readers to the extent that it helps them make money. And they are damaging their ability to make money or serve readers by being less trustworthy to developers, because then they'd be less likely to get pre-release access to a game.
@brianfhunter
Ай бұрын
@@blueredingreen - I dont think you know how free market economics works.... No, they are not like most companies, in fact, i cant think on a single other type of company besides news that have this type of bad service and low ethics, not even drug lords have this level of lies and manipulation.
@kokorochacarero8003
Ай бұрын
@@brianfhunterno pun intended
@mysteryk2283
Ай бұрын
Belular you are so wrong about testing this privately. The biggest problem with testing online games is testing the strain on the server, you can only test it in test environments so much - after a point you just need to let the users help you test things to get accurate data. Also keep in mind this is a complicated game like a moba, you need various people of all skill levels playing to help you balance things. You cannot test/build such a game without the public helping you fine tune it along the way.
@immanuelaj
Ай бұрын
Surely they have enough resources to issue NDA's to 200,000 people? They could've kept it more secret if they wanted to.
@Sobepome
Ай бұрын
Yeah if valve wanted this private it'd still be totally private. You're acting like every other large multiplayer game somehow didn't manage to keep its testing more secret than a public reddit page.
@kavinh10
29 күн бұрын
@@immanuelaj The NDA is to not share gameplay footage or "reviews" because the game is in an unfinished build. the beta was invite only to begin with.
@didjidks
29 күн бұрын
@@immanuelajhaving ndas with 200k people is a waste of resources, absolutely impractical, especially if you want a global test with people from different regions.
@Shinkajo
29 күн бұрын
@@didjidksagain your acting like many games haven't solved these problems before. Don't be dense. Valve wasn't born yesterday.
@ezraho8449
29 күн бұрын
First rule of Deadlock. You don't talk about Deadlock Second rule of Deadlock. You don't talk about Deadlock
@julian5956
26 күн бұрын
Third rule of Deadlock: give it to 200,000 people
@newyou6210
22 күн бұрын
@julian5956 so long as you don't talk about it. Kind of a easy fucking thing to do eh?
@HikariLight121
Ай бұрын
I dont know why everyone is calling it secret......since there never was an official NDA and that users could invite other users to the playtest, Valve clearly wasnt keeping it a secret to begin with. Valve was simply asking people not to talk about it and was showing an INSANE amount of trust to users with this.
@ph0e
Ай бұрын
There wasn't ever an NDA, correct, but I'm pretty sure the reason people are calling it a "secret" is because of the notification that pops up the moment you start the game which basically TELLS you not to do... exactly what this video is doing? Publish media surrounding it? I know it's late days of the playtest and it should be going public within the month probably but I've heard tell of people even getting banned from the playtest for putting out videos/articles/streams. Just FYI @BellularNews Edit: This guy says that popup is purely for viral marketing, but then takes the opportunity to be one of the first videos I've seen with actual Deadlock footage in it. Mhm... sure, "duty of the journalist" or whatever. Also duty of your YT channel lmao
@IncognitoActivado
Ай бұрын
Pass; Valve sucks anyway.
@silverfishofdoom1312
Ай бұрын
@@IncognitoActivadowhat are you a console player? Valve is the reason we have pc game stores that auto update your games without you needing to find the updates for the games from first party sites and also the reason we have pc game library programs
@Yewrenegade
Ай бұрын
I think this is valves way of "Word of Mouth" but kept in the low because they know they can trust players
@Waterspells
Ай бұрын
What you said is like the definition of a secret
@hilkmeister1382
Ай бұрын
The Verge playing Valve's game meant the implied acceptance to Valve's terms (Do not share). According to legal standards, them getting access is the acceptance of the "contract" and performing an exploit to avoid expressly agreeing does not resolve you from the implied agreement because they went on to play the game. It is not "playing into the hands of publishers" to want journalists to adhere to basic ethics.
@ai-spacedestructor
Ай бұрын
exactly that, i also heard before and i dont know if its true and how well it holds up that someone reacted to a text message with a thumbs up emoji and the company it was responding to then kept record of it and sued the person for not fulfilling the contract, which is just one of multiple instances i heard of where a casual thing like that notice or a random text messages is legally argued to hold equal weight as a formal contract, as long as someone records the interaction and then enforces the terms. it would be a crazy world if for anything you want people to follow through on you would have to sign a contract, in society there are a lot of implied moments like this, for example you make a bet with your friend and you win the bet, its socially assumed that your friend will have to give you that money and legally that could probably be enforced as well if you record everyone agreeing to it. otherwise we would have to bring out a paper or digital document for any bet, or any other sort of agreeing to anything and sign a long piece of text that bluntly spells out all the terms and meanings that are otherwise implied. it would be lawyers heaven but i dont want to live in a world where the Verge would have been in the right.
@MyUsualComment
Ай бұрын
Sir, games can enforce you accepting Terms and Conditions. I play several that I can't play without accepting Ts&Cs. Pressing Esc is not an option. Valve knew exactly what they were doing.
@ai-spacedestructor
Ай бұрын
@@MyUsualComment yes valve knows what they are doing but thats not the point, the point is if we interpret the intents correctly. camp a thinks its done on purpose as a pr stunt and camp b thinks it was done on purpose to get more play testers and maybe tolerate some talk amongst friends but not getting the press involved.
@hilkmeister1382
Ай бұрын
@@MyUsualComment That is was unintended by Valve as evidenced by their reaction to the Verge. The Verge bypassing the legal agreement was unethical to say the least as they still implicitly accepted Valve’s terms (by receiving the benefit of playing the game).
@hilkmeister1382
Ай бұрын
@@ai-spacedestructor They would have never got to play if they never agreed, it is as simple as that really.
@timogul
Ай бұрын
The way I view it is, if we take Valve comments in good faith, they want to let people PLAY the game, and form their OWN opinions, but they don't want people to DISCUSS the game, and have opinions formed second hand. I think there's value to that, and that their "not NDA" should still be respected. You can mention that the game exists, of course, but should not discuss its quality or contents until they feel it is ready to be scrutinized.
@elk3407
29 күн бұрын
They don't even want you to talk too much about opinions on the discord, saying they want you to form your own opinions by playing and submit your feedback directly to them instead of potentially skewing other people's opinions.
@heiromarc
26 күн бұрын
This, this is literally it. They want people to have pure and baseless opinion about the game. To see if it needs more improvements or changes to the game. They don't want others to look at the game and judge it because it is never completed in the first place. Everyone needs to know that this wasn't supposed to be "Deadlock". Before it was changed to Deadlock, it was called Neon Prime and has a sci-fi aesthetics. They only changed the art style months ago. So everything here is unfinished till Valve says it's ready.
@MangaGamified
24 күн бұрын
If there's a world that can only say positive things I bet to a deity, NDA doesn't exist there. if a world has 1 out of 100 chance to have a negative opinion, NDA exist.
@misira8256
Ай бұрын
Verge uploaded gameplay videos and got banned. Valve is constantly banning video uploaders and streamers. The subreddit doesn't have any gameplay video.
@MangaGamified
24 күн бұрын
Maybe wait for someone to upload to pron sites, since what million+ dollar company doesn't ban pron sites? they their employee/agent has to think twice.
@LazyLifeIFreak
Ай бұрын
Its cool to see Valve make a new game but I couldn't care less about the actual game itself.
@IncognitoActivado
Ай бұрын
Pass; the new game kind of bad anyway.
@zezanje1
Ай бұрын
ye the game is dull as shit, league/dota but if it was somehow more linear and boring. you barely get to interact with other people other than your laner, you just all push waves, i guess aim duel a bit when you clash with your laner and then whoever kills the other guy hits the turret. league but if the objectives were completely irrelevant and all lanes were just like toplane, a 1v1 island. some of the character design is fantastic, an the setting is great but the actual gameplay is horrendous. games that are strictly based around being competitive will never really do that well in the long run, we can see that with overwatch and its league which had like a 2 year run or something and was insanely unprofitable throughout its lifespan. they should have made this game a little more casual friendly, introduce some variety through various different primary weapons kinda like in tf2 and only maybe then would this game have the potential to be huge. like all i ever played in my life was csgo, tf2 and league, i should be the exact target audience for this kind of game but i couldn't care less about it. (except for the fact that cs and tf2 are suffering because of its existence)
@LazyLifeIFreak
Ай бұрын
@@zezanje1 Okay so, you need to learn how to paragraph. Huge walls of text is very off putting and difficult to read.
@OneTomato
Ай бұрын
The game is actually pretty good if you learn it
@JayRM714
Ай бұрын
I would've preferred something more like killzone, gears of war, or older cod style game. Im so sick of these garbage ahh hero shooters...
@Null9797
Ай бұрын
This is certainly the first I've heard of this.
@XerrolAvengerII
Ай бұрын
uh huh sure
@arefx
Ай бұрын
@@XerrolAvengerII youd be surprised how many people on my friends list ive asked if they want an invite and they think im trying to scam them or something.
@YourBlackLocal
Ай бұрын
@@arefxI’d like an invite if you’re willing.
@WyattOShea
28 күн бұрын
Same. I got an invite from a friend and was looking it up on KZitem to see what it was about.
@PwNaSaUrUsxLEET
29 күн бұрын
I have 200 hours in it and can safely say it's great. Anyone playing, be warned - you will be instantly permabanned if you pass a threshold of in game reports. No appeals.
@Dat_Jonx
28 күн бұрын
Nice, I guess I'd stick to TF2.
@whereismyharem
28 күн бұрын
oop. better cool it with the slurs then
@valorzinski7423
28 күн бұрын
@@whereismyharemgaming is no fun without the overuse of the gamer word
@civilpaper6082
27 күн бұрын
Wanna send me an invite to play 😂
@Ifortgor
27 күн бұрын
I played it and it was fun but then I spectated a match with 98 people watching why and HOLY SHIT, people are so good at the game already, it was insanely entertaing to watch. I sat there watching a full on 45 minute match, it's incredibly cool to see people fully using the 3D environment and elevation in a moba game like this successfully, its an insanely unique game and I love it so far.
@HellKnightX88
Ай бұрын
Sure, let me play the world's smallest violin for a games blogger.
@IncognitoActivado
Ай бұрын
Valve sucks anyway, so whatever.
@BellularNews
Ай бұрын
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@brianfhunter
Ай бұрын
@@BellularNews - im pretty sure that is a Sarcastically Sad reference... like, you play sad violin music for something (happens a lot on movies), but when you want to be sarcastic, you play a small one. Its a common popular reference/meme, dont know were it started, but its kinda old. . In conclusion, he is "sad" that the verge got ban from the game.
@ElitistMagi
29 күн бұрын
Valve 100% on the right to ban Verge, and don't be an idiot, hitting the escape key instead of using the mouse to click ok doesn't mean anything.
@TheQarnage
29 күн бұрын
Yeah, I can't believe this is used as an argument, that logic of "dodging" the "Don't share" info is very dumb.
@dreioo8759
25 күн бұрын
Bro read the message and decided to "game the system" by pressing Escape. The ban was deserved, indeed.
@blueredingreen
Ай бұрын
"This contract isn't legally binding because I signed below the dotted line instead of above it"
@brianfhunter
Ай бұрын
Im not breaking in your house because you locked the door, but didnt close the windows... Same Vibe... they dont have a shred of ethics, no surprise they dont have a drop of commons sense.
@resee9856
Ай бұрын
It's not a contract nor is it legally binding
@blueredingreen
Ай бұрын
@@resee9856 ... and there also wasn't a dotted line nor a signature. It was an analogy.
@resee9856
Ай бұрын
@@blueredingreen The contract part was not an analogy. You, and a lot of other people in this comment section clearly believe this little pop up to be legally binding. It is not.
@blueredingreen
Ай бұрын
@@resee9856 Great job completely ignoring my clarification in favour of you trying to tell me what I meant by my own words instead, and making clearly false assertions about what I believe. Good way to have a conversation /s.
@anti-macro
28 күн бұрын
I got access a few days ago and already pumped 20 hours into it, it's extremely addictive. It has all the best parts of a MOBA together with the action of a movement shooter. My favorite part by far is the verticality of the map and the movement freedom you can have - you have tons of options to traverse the map both above and below ground, with characters and items literally letting you fly around and access rooftops. One character can create an ice path behind him like Frozone, and with it you can basically create walkways in the sky for your whole team - but every character has access to double jumps, dashes and dash jumps by default together with plenty of mobility items, so movement isn't strictly tied to characters. Also it might just be because it's still early, but heroes don't seem to be strictly tied to a role, items are very powerful and can completely change how a character plays so you have to read how a game is going and try to fill in what your team is missing on the go. There is a lot of mechanical skill involved as well, with strict timing windows to pull off things like dash jumps and parries. The game already feels like it has ten times the depth of other third person MOBAs/hero shooters, and it's still in early development. I wonder if that is going to be an issue though - even though Deadlock isn't a hero shooter plenty of people that will try it will compare it to them, and those games are much easier to pick up and play since they have way less depth. I could see people used to simpler games bouncing off of Deadlock. Overall though I'm extremely impressed already, it combines known genres and mechanics but the game feels fresh. My only gripe is that the UI is kind of a mess (but it'll most definitely change) and that things can get kinda hard to read in big teamfights - that's a fairly common problem in all MOBAs, but it would be cool if Valve managed to implement some kind of solution to it.
@concathedrifter2278
28 күн бұрын
100% agree with everything you said. I'm so hyped for this game to progress and launch. It's so incredibly fun.
@BackFromSpace
26 күн бұрын
About the roles, you are correct, and I'm sure it's not an early build thing because that's exactly how Dota works, and Deadlock was spearheaded by Dota lead dev. There's no role determinism in characters' ability kits, roles are molded by farming priorities and item builds. Not having healbot characters is just good game design hygiene in general, which in my mind elevates Deadlock well above the contemporaries. You'll never be playing a character that's holding a shield or a heal beam the entire match.
@TheKeKApex
29 күн бұрын
skip ad 2:09
@a_ndrew4757
26 күн бұрын
Thanks
@Festivejelly
25 күн бұрын
There are sponserblock addons for chrome for just this reason. I hate these baked in ads.
@Good_Hot_Chocolate
24 күн бұрын
@@Festivejelly Baked in ads...? Bro. Get real.
@BrotherO4
Ай бұрын
it's not about the press working for you. it's a CLOSE alpha testing that directly ask you NOT to talk about anything. YOU dont get to decide some magical line in the sand when you can break said agreement. the Verge being a child "oh look I press ESC" I didn't agree to this. there something called applied agreement in legal speak. So Sorry the Verge acted like a child and thus treated like a child. Very clearly with how quick Valve banned the verge... tells you what it was.
@SaHaRaSquad
Ай бұрын
No, it's clearly not closed if anyone in it can freely invite others. It's not Valve's first day on the internet, they knew exactly what would happen. This invitation system is how OnePlus caused the hype around their first smartphone, it's good marketing with the benefits of a more controlled rollout of the product.
@BrotherO4
Ай бұрын
@@SaHaRaSquad not clearly close? okay... where do i download the game right now? oh, i cant. in your attempt to argue with a false point. you had to create a lie off the bat. If the first thing you had to do was lie maybe rethink your stance.
@zachearyvang1189
Ай бұрын
@@BrotherO4go to the deadlock subreddit and ask for an invite. If you are clueless, just say so instead of trying to be a snarky asshole.
@jmc3179
Ай бұрын
@@zachearyvang1189this does not mean its open. You cannot go yourself and access it.
@kavinh10
29 күн бұрын
@@SaHaRaSquad garbage take, it's not an open invite its an invite to industry folks and their connections. so you're saying valve was stupid to not expect click-baiting manchildren to throw a fit and act unethically sure.
@mikeramos2335
28 күн бұрын
So about The Verge, basically, he broke the Gentlemen's agreement because there was no NDA or risk of a lawsuit, but complained that he got banned from the game mode, yet, without any lawsuit against this person in return. IMO this person just reaped what he sowed. Nothing else. It is like "Do you need the police to be vigilant about YOUR actions all the time or will you steal otherwise?" This is an exaggerated example, and that's not how Valve people seem to behave or expect of others.
@vtxshiva
29 күн бұрын
Hard disagree on this analysis. Calling it pearl-clutching is just handwaving it away. Both things can be true at once. It's true that this wasn't a hard NDA. It's also true the "journalist" is an ass. Should they be severely punished, fired or whatever extreme action? I don't think that's a measured response, so no I don't think that should happen. Should he be ridiculed and made fun of. ABSOLUTELY 1000% yes. If he was a friend of mine, I'd call him a jackass point-blank in his face and wouldn't trust him with anything because he'd try to weasel his way out of it. If something as non-sensitive as this can result in a breach of trust, why would I trust that person with anything serious? This wasn't an "oops, I slipped, I'm really sorry". It was knowingly going "well technically, if I ignore this thing, stick fingers in my ears, close my eyes, and don't hear or see the tree being cut down, can I really be called a witness". It's weasel behavior and he deserved the ridicule.
@blindwit
22 күн бұрын
Agreed. Also the idea that it was "unfettered" access is faulty. It is limited to original testers who were then allowed to invite their friends. That's still a limited scope.
@GatoTaos
19 күн бұрын
I like sharing all the information I can. Valve can’t stop me.
@cube-drone
29 күн бұрын
"no, no, Valve was asking for it, they dressed the game provocatively"
@NocturnalLaVenge
Ай бұрын
Valve are making a new game? Cool! Oh wait, it's another infinite moba hero shooter... Okay, i can wait another 5-10 years.
@sythes123
29 күн бұрын
Name another MOBA shooter on the market, you can't, because it does not exist.
@pali122
29 күн бұрын
@@sythes123 isn't smite kinda like that?
@sythes123
29 күн бұрын
@@pali122 Smite is a MOBA yes, but it does not have any shooter mechanics.
@Groniu9
29 күн бұрын
deadlock is 10/10 and its new gengre of game, lol, l2p silvers
@Hisu0
29 күн бұрын
Valve: we used to make games. Now, we make money.
@nogusek5836
27 күн бұрын
The fact that uncle dane got it leaked early when valve was planing to do viral marketing is insanely ironic; unless valve got the idea for viral marketing from the leak, the it would be epic.
@sevenlexar
Ай бұрын
Of course it's yet another pvp team-based live-service shooter. Not like other genres exist. Another game gets tossed into my 'couldn't care less' pile, I suppose.
@Nope_handlesaretrash
Ай бұрын
Ok, but who TF asked them to make Overwatch 3?
@k.h.raider9329
Ай бұрын
Are we really gonna try and make the argument that game journalists are actually serving the public? Seriously where have you been the last who knows how many years where they do nothing but spit on gamers and developers lmao
@JStack
Ай бұрын
Strictly positive spin is PR/Advertising not journalism
@ph0e
Ай бұрын
You're commenting on a game journalists' video right now, lol
@ph0e
Ай бұрын
@@JStack game journalism isn't journalism like 95% of the time by that metric
@goby1764
Ай бұрын
Funny that you say this now on a gaming journalists channel
@MorbidEel
Ай бұрын
There is what journalism is and then there are people who pretend to be journalists(AKA liars). The fact that those liars exist does not mean journalism stops existing nor does it mean its intended goals has gone away.
@dillyduncs
Ай бұрын
I can't be the only one finding it completely impossible to be excited about any future games from big companies knowing full well that the monetization will almost certainly be exploitative mtx based?
@happybomb777
Ай бұрын
bro missed the warning saying "Do not share anything about this game"
@justingifford4425
Ай бұрын
But he didn’t click the ok button!!!1!
@brennanferris7400
20 күн бұрын
bUt tHe cOnTeNT !!!1!!!
@BurnettGaming
Ай бұрын
Re: creep last hitting and denying. the way they set it up is REALLY cool and really smart. if you last hit an enemy mob, a soul pops up that's green, you then shoot the soul to confirm the kill and get the last hit "gold" if an enemy shoots a mob, an orange soul pops up that you can shoot to deny, which steals it.
@XionEternum
Ай бұрын
Thing is that the text box isn't a legal contract. Whether you click OK or not. It's a request. The problem with what The Verge journalists behind this fiasco did is that they published raw unedited footage of the gameplay which is a violation of copyright law in most countries as public demonstration. On top of that, their flippant arrogant attitude about this was unprofessional and disrespectful. They have both blacklisted themselves from journalism and likely got The Verge itself blacklisted for the foreseeable future from every getting press access to any mainstream games.
@gearhead417
Ай бұрын
No its not a violation of copyright law. Copyright law requires the agreement of both parties to be in effect. Since no legally binding documentation was agreed to than nothing can really be done. Was it a shitty move? sure kinda. But also Valve is a billion dollar company they could have had legal make better wording. The game wasnt under NDA they just nicely asked for you not to talk about it.
@FaticusDolphinius
Ай бұрын
If it was a violation of copyright law it wouldn’t have stopped on just banning one steam account
@gearhead417
Ай бұрын
@@FaticusDolphinius Like they would be getting sued if they broke copyright law
@PanduPoluan
29 күн бұрын
@@gearhead417Copyright is automatically granted by governments upon the creation of something. It does NOT need agreement of other parties. A "license", on the other hand, requires the agreement of both parties. Copyright allows for "fair use", such as parody or conmentary. The Verge just uploaded the gameplay video without commentary, and not as a parody, making their "fair use" standing weak. Furthermore, there is even more protection for "unpublished" works. As the game is not yet made available publicly (requires an invitation), that means the protection is even stronger. If Valve choose so, it is well within their rights to file a takedown.
@gearhead417
29 күн бұрын
@@PanduPoluan no it isn't. Copyright in the US requires a trademark. And it's protections are very specific. The Verge being a press site falls under fair use since they are reporting on something.
@JcsP3D
29 күн бұрын
Nothing but a Smite, Dota, Overwatch mash-up. People seem to have short term memory, TF2 being neglected for YEARS (now I wonder why...), people claiming CS2 is full of hackers, Dota being a balancing shit show and now everyone is praising Valve for a F2P mash-up that will must likely be full of micro-transaction.
@MaF1e
Ай бұрын
The pop up shit is so childish, how can someone considering themselves respective media even come up with that bs, and then they are surprised about their reputation
@famoussession7426
Ай бұрын
I still dont know why this game exists when TF2 still exists. Valve still has yet to make another single player game that wasnt VR exclusive.
@SquidGains
Ай бұрын
We need to find the person who committed this absolute crime against humanity with this haircut.
@vyrv6719
19 күн бұрын
This is exactly like a "no shirt, no shoes" sign. You DON"T have to follow any such sign, But they also don't have to let you stay in their store.
@siimut9047
Ай бұрын
It's just like in prison, if you snitch or some kind of rat, you just done , no legal agreement no rules, just a gentleman deal or honor among thief, just don't be that kind of guy, if valve want they even can ban you steam account
@Yoshi278
29 күн бұрын
Are you restarted or acoustic?
@rgnd
29 күн бұрын
Lol wtf am i reading
@DUKEHadToDoItToEm
29 күн бұрын
@@Yoshi278Are you? He's right even if his English is awful, Valve can do whatever they want with your Steam account in all but a few countries, France being one of them In most of the world you don't own any of the games you have on your steam account regardless of if you paid for them, they're digital licenses and you're renting and Steam is virtual Blockbuster and can take those away at any point, you agreed to it in the EULA when you installed Steam and made an account
@m.dave2141
28 күн бұрын
@@DUKEHadToDoItToEm He is just memeing
@blindmown
14 күн бұрын
No such thing as a gentlemen's deal. You either have a contract or you don't. And they didn't.
@s.v.berezin1562
Ай бұрын
As an avid TF2 player, and formerly an enthusiastic CSGO player; I am not very interested in a MOBA game, nor do I expect I'll ever be playing one. I would like to use this opportunity to point out that Valve took away a game I paid for (CSGO), wiped my achievements, as well as most of the content; and replaced it with an artistically inferior beta product - CSS2. I have been very upset to see widespread acceptance of this, simply because it's called "an update". This, and the long-standing (albeit recently interrupted) neglect of older Valve games like TF2, ought to be drawing far more discussion.
@minze202
Ай бұрын
I just feel like this is scummy. Sure there was no NDA but there was a clear message. This isn't like a reporter reporting some sort of crime. I mean if they ask you not to share and you still do it, how is it possible to not take it as being disrespectful? I understand that there are sometimes things that needs to be reported even if those behind don't want it but this is not one of those times.
@IncognitoActivado
Ай бұрын
Piracy is a thing, you know?
@hilkmeister1382
Ай бұрын
There was an NDA, performing an exploit to avoid signing it doesn't resolve your duty to abide it. Not a technical NDA but rather a contract by basic legal standards to not disclose.
@ai-spacedestructor
Ай бұрын
@@hilkmeister1382 and as far as im aware, this casual interaction would also be legally binding, especially since its assumed when you pass the pop up that you did agree to it. if you find a workaround to not needing to agree to it and get the thing thats intended to be behind an agreement then you still have to follow it. the same like your lisences or acess to various thing swill still get revoced even if technically you didnt do the thing they wanted you to do.
@brianfhunter
Ай бұрын
@@IncognitoActivado - And?? whats your point... there was no piracy involved... also, dude say CRIME, and piracy is a Crime... you are not making any sense at all
@OneTomato
Ай бұрын
lol dude don’t know piracy is a crime 🤣
@imdanuts3482
21 күн бұрын
GabeNs Dev:"Lets Develop Anti Cheat for CS" GabeN:"Youre fired cheaters make us money" GabeNs Dev:"Pls dont fire me i develop your next flop" GabeN:"Ok"
@ahow164
Ай бұрын
A swing and a miss from Bellular once again. Can not be surprised or mad that Valve banned the author
@UsernameNULL755
18 күн бұрын
Everyone is so in love with this because its from Valve. Realistically, its not a good game at the moment, at least at this stage of development. It suffers from all the flaws dota has. Long matches, with even the less agency over match outcome since its 6v6. Ui is just bad. But most importantly, theres too much things the characters can do. Im literally using half of my keyboard like an octopus.
@therealzein
26 күн бұрын
Hitting escape can be determined as a confirmation action. The popup going away is another sign of accepting.
@Koreley
20 күн бұрын
What you're describing does not follow general conventions on consent in the digital world. Whenever a pop-up appears from, say google chrome, pressing "esc" will always count as you saying "disagree", or "not interested". Same thing for youtube i believe. And most programs on windows, when asking to run the program as admin, will take "esc" as "exit" rather than "okay". Thus, it wouldn't make sense that Valve would suddenly change this seemingly ubiquotous convention. And in all of these cases, them turning off just signals to the user that an action was performed, just not "agree".
@woroGaming
20 күн бұрын
@@KoreleyThe pop-up didn't state that you agreed with those thermes if you hit OK. It simply stated you were not allowed to talk about it. There was no choice in this matter. Ok simply made the pop-up go away. As did, apparently, escape.
@Koreley
20 күн бұрын
@@woroGaming i'd say yours is the best argument you can make for the argument as a whole. In my case, i was just focussed on the comment @/therealzein made, as i found their logic fallacious
@woroGaming
20 күн бұрын
@@Koreley Fair point
@mancrab1899
27 күн бұрын
None of this marketing stunt would mean anything if the game was solid. They seriously made a MOBA that’s just fun to play without being super sweaty. It allows people who had skills in other games actually be able to come in and be decent since there’s actual translatable skills in this game.
@txchainsaw8907
Ай бұрын
If they can deceive the developers what makes you think they won’t deceive us, the gamers?
@blindmown
14 күн бұрын
They didn't deceive anyone. They just published an article about something in the public domain. You know, sharing information despite a corporation not wanting you to is about 85% of being a journalist. But you go off.
@RobbieRobski
29 күн бұрын
I tried this for a hot minute. Going in raw, it's a little overwhelming. Picking random heroes you no nothing about plus their abilities and buying items (which I didn't realize there was a shop until my friend reminded me). There's even a prompt at the spawn but I wasn't paying attention apparently. I'm sure there's going to be a lot to love for people in this game. At first glance it reminded me of a game called Battleborn that came out around the same time as overwatch, maybe a bit before.
@AQDuck
Ай бұрын
"Ok" button could just be mapped to the escape key (or any key)
@HikariLight121
Ай бұрын
By playing the game, the player automatically agrees to the gentleman's agreement to not spread info about the game. Also the fact that the reporter seemed so proud of himself that he didnt hit the OK button shows that he cannont be trusted to adhear to an actual NDA.
@gearhead417
Ай бұрын
@@HikariLight121 That isnt how that works at all. You cant make opt out contracts like that. Especially since there is no way to disagree with it and not be put under contract
@pokermitten9795
29 күн бұрын
@@gearhead417the way to not be under contract is to not play
@gearhead417
29 күн бұрын
@@pokermitten9795 That isn't how that works. You need to sign something to be under contract. There was no digital signing so that person isn't under contract.
@MothFable
Ай бұрын
15:03 if they don’t do character trailers and stuff for these characters im gonna cry. Just the kit descriptions have such an insane amount of potential.
@thelast749
Ай бұрын
Meet The Team videos would be an awesome throwback to TF2
@bjavin3487
Ай бұрын
Valve knows that hammer to the face advertising isn't the best way to do things. Sometimes the grapevine is the best route, "Psst, did you hear?". That feeling of being somewhere special before the social media mob is there yet. No pressure to find the meta, "be sweaty or go home", to just have FUN. No gauntlet being thrown down "HERE'S OUR KNOW GAME TO KILL x!", a game that can live on a small community that will grow naturally.
@kavinh10
29 күн бұрын
this isn't good advertising if it's based off an unfinished build. we have no clue how close to completion it is it could be 90% or it could be 30%. Look at the new dragon age game and tell me that was great advertising, first impressions are everything.
@narudan
28 күн бұрын
Finally Valve steps up to kick the god awful overwatch in the groin.
@kavinh10
Ай бұрын
bellular is really stretching it saying an NDA page isn't legal because he pressed ESC instead of yes on it. You implicitly agreed the minute you passed the pop up and did not turn off the game. Are they going to get sued almost 0 chance but they should rightfully get blacklisted for this, I hate triple A game devs almost as much as games journalists but it's pretty clear all the semantics about oh we didn't technically sign an nda so we're not bound to anything is nonsense you opened the game saw the warning and continued to play the game.
@SaHaRaSquad
Ай бұрын
The only stretch here is you calling this an NDA and saying that ignoring it is an implicit agreement.
@MaF1e
Ай бұрын
Valve sucks anyway, so yes.
@XionEternum
Ай бұрын
It's not any form of NDA or contractual agreement. It's merely a request. What's illegal is the raw gameplay footage being made public. That's copyright violation through public demonstration. Not fair use as it's not transformative or anything else fair use. If they had used screenshots or highlighted clips for talking points, that would've been journalistic fair use. Gray-zone journalism at best as it wasn't a press invite, which is at least a bit scummy. Their arrogant and flippant attitude to all of this is highly unprofessional, disrespectful, and unethical. They got off lucky for the global ban at the company. Valve could DMCA the article and take The Verge to court for copyright violation, but they didn't. Not because of lack of a case, but because they don't want the bad PR.
@IncognitoActivado
Ай бұрын
@@XionEternum Valve is a megacorporation, so meh.
@IncognitoActivado
Ай бұрын
@@XionEternum Valve is a mega-corporation, so no.
@the-answer-is-42
27 күн бұрын
I prefer this kind of marketing to a cinematic trailer without gameplay.
@Villardano
Ай бұрын
Basically he got banned from the game for toxic behaviour
@xdeathoreox
20 күн бұрын
Because that popup had no "Agree/Disagree" it was one of those type of things where if you proceed, you agreed to it. You read it, you acknowledged it, you kept going. No one gets sued when they pass a sign that says "Warning: risk of death" then get severely injured due to them proceeding. This is just a bad take.
@RosemaryTheFloran
Ай бұрын
It's quite a fun game. Shooter mechanics in a MOBA makes it muuuch more accessible to me, as someone who's spent over half their life playing shooters. Of course, there are already toxic players, and of all things, they forcefully pause the game right before they win, just so they can shit talk. Can't even let people lose gracefully.
@ph0e
Ай бұрын
Good thing there's already a report system. I agree they need to remove the pauses, though.
@IncognitoActivado
Ай бұрын
The game is in third person and, worst, the camera is over the shoulder, so no; the game is not worth it.
@deepath5209
Ай бұрын
"Pausing the game before winning" Dota2 all-over-again. My kind of game then.
@astralyd
29 күн бұрын
It's happened to me a few times, but not very often.
@ravenshrike
29 күн бұрын
It's not a secret, it's an alpha build early access before all the features are locked in. Had The Verge merely told people how to get into the thing and posted their gameplay, no one would have cared. Instead they were snide assholes about it, which is what pissed everyone off.
@penqu1ns
29 күн бұрын
I think the whole “Verge didn’t break a gentlemen’s agreement” argument falls really flat here, this is like a textbook example of breaking a non-legal handshake agreement (well we didn’t CLICK the OK box we hit escape!!). You could say that a gentlemen’s agreement doesn’t apply to press, which I would agree with, but to say that it wasn’t breaking one is pretty flat out wrong lol
@O_Eremits
23 күн бұрын
Dunno why valve would even consider making such a game, they kinda started the hero shooter thing with tf2, and they are known to release sutff that innovate or bring someting new to the table, we got some many hero shooter flops lately, why tf would they even make this thing.
@rustyzipper19
Ай бұрын
I got an invite, took a peak at the gameplay from others, and immediately rejected it. The last Valve multiplayer I enjoyed was Team Fortress 2 Mann vs Machine release. This is just not it for me.
@Alloveck
Ай бұрын
I took it a step further and have actually played the game. And yeah, I don't see it as the game for me either. Not so much because I can say it's objectively bad, I'm just not big on the MOBA formula. If nothing else, I just don't like rebuying the same exact same abilities and upgrades from scratch EVERY. SINGLE. ROUND. Is that really necessary? Couldn't characters just start at full power and avoid that repetition? And what's more, I do agree that if it had a Mann Vs Machine (which I did get a lot of enjoyment out of before Spy bots had been implemented,) pure players versus enemies mode rather than strictly that MOBA mix of competing against enemies AND players, I might be a lot more interested. Like, take MvM, but add in the special ability mechanic that Deadlock has, and yeah, that seems potentially pretty darn good.
@neofreak89
29 күн бұрын
@@Alloveckto answer the skill upgrading. It’s a part of skill expression in MOBAs. Knowing the capabilities of heroes at certain levels and stages of the game and knowing when their skills are maxed out or not is a huge thing when it comes to knowing when to fight or back off. The game isn’t trying to be a shooter like overwatch. It’s a down to earth ACTUAL MOBA. With a skill ceiling to match.
@Alloveck
29 күн бұрын
@@neofreak89 Thanks for the answer. I figured that there was a reason behind it all that'd make sense to true devotees of the genre. I still don't get the necessity of it myself, or why the gradual powering up is a higher skill ceiling thing, (there are absolutely games with high skill ceilings where everybody starts at their full capability,) but I'll take your word for it. Maybe I just don't have enough experience with the genre or the right personality to see the value. Regardless, if people like things that way, then I am by no means saying they or the genre are wrong. Whatever works for you is what works for you, end of story, and it's fine for certain games to be made for certain people. On the same token though, while I definitely like the abilities themselves, and the customization of the shop upgrades, the repetition of rebuying the exact same abilities and shop upgrades over and over every singe time absolutely does not work for me at all. (Not really a fan of constantly resetting my concept of what my character can and can't do either, for that matter.) Anyway, I'm not saying that means the game has to change for me, just saying that the skill repurchase issue means either the game is for me, or the game is for people who want a "down to earth actual MOBA," but it's either one or the other. I mean, just as a comparison, I quickly dropped Engineer like a hot potato never to return simply because I couldn't stand building the same teleporters and dispensers over and over again. It makes total sense to work that way in terms of gameplay design, zero argument there, but logic and personal taste are two different things. But at least with TF2, I could just play other classes to solve the problem. Deadlock's repurchase-induced build repetition is a universal mechanic to all characters. Bleh. With that all being said though, is there some reason Deadlock couldn't have an alternate mode where everybody just starts fully powered up? A mode for filthy genre outsider plebians like me who like the rest of the game alright but don't want to deal with the ability reset and repurchase aspect? Who knows, maybe if the rest of the game eased me in long enough, I might finally appreciate doing it the "right" way?
@iledis6378
26 күн бұрын
could i get an invite from you?
@ChromaSoul
27 күн бұрын
I remember Overwatch was "the TF2 killer" and it did well for a long time... But we've all seen how that has went. I wonder if this'll be the official Overwatch killer from Valve all these years later. I mean it looks cool to me? what do you think?
@M0NSTER_D0SE
Ай бұрын
i started playing yesterday, have almost 5k hours in dota 2 and i can tell you, its fucking amazing, heroes feel awesome and unique, yet many abilities and mechanics are familiar from dota, which makes it super easy to understand and pick up for any dota 2 player. valve did amazing
@_charwyn
Ай бұрын
11k in dota, and I’ll have to disagree with you on this
@ZALYVES
Ай бұрын
@@_charwyn 9k in Dota and I think he's right. Most of my friends like it too and most who don't haven't even played it yet lol.
@brianfhunter
Ай бұрын
@@_charwyn - Another reason for me to try it... Dota has one of the most toxic community on the planet, the fact that 2 dota players have complete opposite opinions on something, its not only completely normal, but highly expected. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Im also a Dota player, that is why i dont trust any of you and I will check myself.
@TuriGamer
18 күн бұрын
They literally just made paragon, crappy items, map and all and you call it genius 🤣🤣
@thislink1519
26 күн бұрын
Whether or not you agree that this was a mistake or not for the Verge to report on it. Game journalism, and official journalism as a whole, does not deserve any respect and any infraction no matter how minor pointless is worth yelling at them over.
@TheMataphysical
29 күн бұрын
Talk about the game begins at 12:07
@Tory-JJ
Ай бұрын
I hate your take on the test agreement being worthless. Thats the problem with journalists
@ThoraeJenkins
29 күн бұрын
Look, it might be worthless in a court of law, but that really doesn't matter. Valve said "We're letting you play this, please don't talk about it" The Journo decided to openly talk about it. Valve took away that which had been freely given.
@m.dave2141
28 күн бұрын
Also saying they do that for gamers It's just not true, they did that for money.
@XykuJoxa
28 күн бұрын
Valve knew what they were doing. They wanted it to leak. It makes the game far more enticing and desirable because Valve themselves aren't self releasing as a means to hype.
@Razzbow
Ай бұрын
The verge will never get any press kits anymore lol
@idieforpie3058
28 күн бұрын
i think if valve tried to sue the company or remove his steam account itd be too far, but being banned from the playtest is the exact response they should've done, and they did it well. they dont ask you not to tell people, they tell you not to. you dont kick a hornets nest and then be upset they stung you
@jandamz1119
29 күн бұрын
It's an open secret but still is a secret regardless. Sure that one genuinely good kid in your school everyone likes has an embarrassing secret that almost everyone knows, but nobody is going to loudly and publicly tell everyone in the hall about that secret. They may tell their friends in private or even the new kid at school, but not announce it to everyone at once; and If a kid does do this, then they just get looked at and seen as untrustworthy to tell things. Is the kid in the wrong for saying what almost everyone knows? No, not really. But everyone is also in the right to label them as someone they wouldn't trust telling things.
@OnBrandRP
Ай бұрын
I think the Verge were not smart with how they handled the situation and Tom Warren irrefutably destroyed their connections to Valve. It doesn't matter if it wasn't a true NDA, they asked people not to do it and when they did, they got C&D.
@odaizoh
22 күн бұрын
I agree with you, that it is a clever way to market, when Valve says not to share info about it. It still is breaking a gentleman's agreement. Basically it is highly likely that Valve is counting on people being corrupt and greedy to market their product. Your argument was basically: "She wore a slutty dress out, so she was basically expecting to be graped" you could think that, or maybe she just wanted to tease and create interest, but still did want to keep the choice of bodily autonomy to herself.
@NaturalEntertainer85
Ай бұрын
It’s not that the Verge posting a report on the game is so horrendous, it’s the sort of weaselly fingers-crossed behind my back excuse they gave of “oh I saw and obviously read the please don’t share message, but then I just didn’t click ok, so ha, neener neener neener it doesn’t count on me!”. Like just fucking post your report without weasel explanations added, still get banned sure fine, but at least would come off a lot less basically juvenile. So no major issue worth them talking about the game, but very infantile vibes
@Kynrah
27 күн бұрын
You can set some of the heroes as highly preferred, preferred and then simple choice of one's you would also play, there is no limit to how many you select in any catagory, it is not limited to three but you have to pick at a minimum of three.
@The_Azure_
Ай бұрын
Love when comment sections on topics like this are just full of armchair lawyers, who have near zero knowledge of law, are trying to attack or defend an action using "law"...
@brianfhunter
Ай бұрын
Not sarcastic, I Love to see the majority of comments pointing out the verge is being an asshole, i dont care about the law, these journalists are just trash with no morals, ethics or very basic common sense.
@ph0e
Ай бұрын
Game journalists aren't your friend, Azure. And I don't mean that in a "GaMeRs RiSe Up"-Asmongold-kind of way. Both the Verge and Bellular are just trying to get clicks, and admittedly I'm helping them by commenting here, but jeez. You gotta be stupid to think a legal NDA is even needed in this situation, it's purely a "you can play and invite your friends, but don't publish anything about it" kind of agreement, which these guys can't do because that's how they make money.
@blindmown
14 күн бұрын
@@ph0e valve isn't your friend lol, journalists are far more your friend than a massive corporation that directly profits from milking you with games and skins.
@memekingk373
24 күн бұрын
I think more than being smart keeping all of the marketing on a guerilla level was almost an absolute must for this games survival. If it was briefly revealed at SGF as a "Hero Shooter Moba" the reception would have likely been much much worse even if its by Valve. I think the current system very much lets the game's quality speak for itself instead of having to put up with a bunch of bad faith criticism from the broader public
@pauperslament3467
Ай бұрын
Oh look, another Multiplayer Money Sink. Yay.... 🤮🤮🤮
@Goblin_Hater_37
Ай бұрын
Its valve at least, so it shouldn’t be as bad
@dragonriderabens9761
Ай бұрын
so…we’re just gonna make a ton of assumptions based on Jack Shit then? At least wait until you can see the game’s cash shop before you go insulting it And I wouldn’t be saying that if it was any other company But it’s Valve. They don’t work like that. I’m gonna wait for official information on this game before judging it, personally
@brianfhunter
Ай бұрын
@@dragonriderabens9761 - yeah... CS and Dota are 2 big games that generates a shit ton of money for valve, but you Dont Need to spend a single penny to fully enjoy it, only the cosmetics. From all big game devs, im pretty sure that valve is the less worse than everyone, maybe even be on the good side of the spectrum.
@MrCapybara747
29 күн бұрын
oh he finally talked about the game in min 11:29, thank God I thought this was only a rant about people getting mad at the Verge....
@TheLordDracula
Ай бұрын
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that take. Yes journalists should report things that the companies don't want, but when it's actually something bad like sexual harassment, union busting it discrimination. If you're asked not to share something it's obviously not illegal because unfortunately the only thing in America that can do that is an NDA, but you are absolutely the asshole in the public eye and should be called out for it. I know they won't do it because they've spent a while bunch of money on it but I'd love for them to pull a Nintendo and just shut the whole project down without ever saying anything and pretending it never existed.
@gearhead417
Ай бұрын
Now you are just nitpicking what counts as journalism.
@Zathurious
29 күн бұрын
It sounds like a gentleman's agreement. It is a matter of honor, not legality. He should've honored the agreement. There are plenty of other things that he could've written about instead.
@GaryG00ch
Ай бұрын
Been playing it and absolutely loving it and haven't been this hooked to a game since I got my dota 2 beta years ago. If you like dota you are gonna love this game imo. If you are expecting overwatch or going into it and trying to play it like a shooter you will get your ass handed to you and will be disappointed. It's absolutely a moba first and foremost. But yeah someone who loves mobas and shooters its perfect.
@Tritriumchannel
24 күн бұрын
*someone who loves Dota and shooters. Ive played shooters for nearly 20 years and played over 60K games in LoL, 40 hours in dota before i uninstalled and never looked back. Ive played deadlock for about 40 hours and am on the brink of uninstalling it already. Got plenty of reasons as to why, as i have reasons why this game as it is right now will be dead on arrival if the goal is a mainstream audience. Please be aware that mainstream players do not play dota, they play games like LoL. Dota is a virtually exclusive hardcore gamers game. 1.2Million all time peak (Dota) vs 36Million all time peak (LoL), its a very large difference and one that isnt exclusive to dota or LoL for that matter. Its the same all over the place even outside this particular genre. Its a question of what the target audience is. What you just described is a warning to mainstream players they gonna get their asses handed. Precisely because its a hardcore game. Hence, it will be one giant flop if the goal is a mainstream audience, they dont stick around to get their asses handed and it doesnt help that the game quickly becomes seriously unfun when you do get your ass handed. You have to view this from a mainstream players perspective to understand what im saying here. Theyre not gonna stick around to learn all the intricate details and nuances whilst getting absolutely crushed and not having any fun. And neither will I for that matter, and im not exactly a complete casual player for that matter. The game has potential to be a way better overwatch. But if they insist on the hardcore mechanics and stuff, that is never going to happen.
@GaryG00ch
24 күн бұрын
@@Tritriumchannel there is an audience for both. Sure mainstream will get more plays but to say it will be doa for not catering to them is crazy. Dota2 still has a ton of people playing at any given time, just check the steam charts. Not everyone wants to play fisher price mobas.
@GaryG00ch
24 күн бұрын
@@Tritriumchannel also I have friends who have never played a moba in their lives and are instantly hooked on it. So ya I donno
@Festivejelly
25 күн бұрын
The popup didnt say yes or no. it was a notice. The okay button is to dismiss the form. You are not consenting to anything. Its a notice.. they are asking you not to do it.
@dogofwar6769
Ай бұрын
Oh cool, an overwatch clone but made by valve! I'm going run right out and forget that it even exists.
@cheeseyboy2121
Ай бұрын
It plays nothing like overwatch, it is like DOTA but 3rd person like smite.
@Deliveredmean42
29 күн бұрын
I don't play Overwatch but it seems you got it wrong. Since its a like a Moba?... A genre I don't play.
@cheeseyboy2121
29 күн бұрын
@@Deliveredmean42 Overwatch is a team based game with objectives like TF2 think payload hold the point ECT
@neofreak89
29 күн бұрын
Big wrong
@Yoshi278
29 күн бұрын
@@cheeseyboy2121 So either way its shit
@duhagumrukcu
29 күн бұрын
There is this one game i'm playing that i can't talk about. But if i did, i would be describing how satisfying it is to play. From the sound design to your attacks having impact behind them, to hitting skillshots being rewarding. The game is absolutely amazing. I have done multiple all nighters just playing it non-stop.
@Voltaic_Fire
Ай бұрын
Ah Valve, you so rarely make the games you're capable of but you never fail to deliver when you do.
@MaF1e
Ай бұрын
Artifact.
@aiaoi5048
Ай бұрын
@@MaF1eartifact delivers in terms of game quality, dead because of monetization model. And ofc u intentionally forgot alyx
@MaF1e
Ай бұрын
@@aiaoi5048 I also forgot to mention the whole orange box. I mentioned it because it’s funny, it’s a multiplayer game and the guy said “never fail to deliver” I gave an example that sometimes they do. Keep coping it’s monetizations fault, not the fact that running 3 hs games at once is good idea and the game wasn’t a complete snoozefest. Also I’ve played Deadlock and it was alright, a bit too fast paced and rough around the edges but by no means I want the guys like that with their rose tinted glasses make Valve complacent and be ok with releasing it like they did with CS2.
@taru3374
22 күн бұрын
Deadlock shows that most gamers don't know what they want from reporters. They crying whine whenever reporters are paid to talk about a game. But they also complain when our reporter talks about something that they " shouldn't" I think it's really funny
@godlygamer911
Ай бұрын
I've been playing it for a couple days now, it is definitely cloning OverWatch a little with its heroes but I'm still having a lot of fun!
@ctrlzed5132
Ай бұрын
Frankly it is way more of a moba than a hero shooter. It is Smite but every hero is a shooter type, that is basically all.
@Thoray
Ай бұрын
It plays way more like Smite or another Moba than Overwatch. Unless you mean like someone's skill is similar to someone in Overwatch which sure there's at least 1 that's like that but that's really where the similarities end
@godlygamer911
Ай бұрын
@@Thoray there are several who have similar looks and skills... What are you on about? There is literally a doom fist, widow, Hanzo, and torb rip off...
@Thoray
Ай бұрын
@@godlygamer911 The looks are bound to change, its an early build and they already said that some are just early mock up designs, not that any of them actually look like people from Overwatch. Overwatch didnt invent such unique designs like guy who shoots bow or uses turrets, or lady with a sniper. Like either Overwatch is the only game you play or youre being incredibly disingenuous. They "share" more skills with heroes from Dota than Overwatch.
@godlygamer911
Ай бұрын
@@Thoray ... Didn't say just the looks either... Is English not your first language?
@mcksalggamingroom
22 күн бұрын
First rule of Deadlock… we don’t talk about Deadlock.
@KaelanSwan
Ай бұрын
this just prooves valve aren't incestious with games journos.
@MaF1e
Ай бұрын
I mean I get your point, but incestious would probably mean both dev & jour are walking under same parent or one is a parent of another? I'd call it in bed with journous, unless...
@MsHojat
27 күн бұрын
8:54 what? That sounds like the opposite. If Valve wanted it to be leaked, then the _leaker_ would be playing right into their hands by breaking the gentleman's agreement. It certainly is a gentleman's agreement either way. Personally I think it was a sincere one, and they truly did not want the gameplay leaked, but just knew that there was a good chance of it getting leaked anyway and that that wouldn't be a huge problem if it does.
@triplebog
Ай бұрын
I think is it possible to support both sides? Like I'm annoyed with the verge. But also I do agree that they didn't legally do anything wrong. But at the same time, it also feels like the kind of people that post spoilers for some huge dlc or game in the thumbnails of videos they release on the day it's launching. It's like "yeah you didn't do anything wrong legally, you are well within your rights. But just chill." I don't think the verge was being altruistic either, they just knew that if they waited till they could officially talk about it, nobody would care what they thought
@kavinh10
Ай бұрын
the nda is signed when you enter the game and don't exit it, verbal contracts are legally binding irl as well even when its not written in paper. its pretty clear the verge writer was an ahole whose rushing out the coverage for clicks with all the hopping they're doing around. Bellular is really stretching it by buying into the oh he didn't click accept for the NDA isn't legal argument. It doesn't matter you saw, the NDA on the game start up and agreed to continue forward to play the game it doesn't matter if you clicked yes esc or any other button you agreed to it by opening the game and passing the popup.
@hamsturinn
26 күн бұрын
"Developers they don't work for you" Honestly that is fair, but also Why would they give them an invite if that is how they think? I would never give an invite to a news organization that broke NDA.
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