Let me make one big post clarifying things -Yes I know it's the PTB that's why I'm saying what's wrong so it can be changed and Improved -Magic hand can be used to lift pallets at the right time to ignore them yes but remember: 60 second cooldown & Massive slow when used. Compared to demo, blight, knight, singularity, and some killers with add-ons like legion or wesker who can break them instantly. Raising the pallet just means that again you will have to deal with the pallet later instead of just removing it like with every other killer. Waiting 60 seconds to do this each time takes too long for just one possible hit and then having to deal with it later in another chase or even the SAME chase because the pallet is up. Also if the survivor has the right item doing this grants them 7% haste. -The end lag on flight is about 3 seconds which means that you cannot even shut down or body block loops because during that time you're at a standstill like legion recovery after FF. -With magic items survivors constantly have wallhacks being able to see whenever you use your power.
@foomongus2935
4 ай бұрын
your wrong about magic items. there is 4 normal ones (1 for each spell) and 2 vecna ones. 2 of the normal ones are for the gauntlets. one is for the sphere, which allows survivors to see the sphere. and one is for the skeletons, which allows the survivors to see the skeletons. then the 2 boot items, one is thhe haste for mage hand revealing the pallet aura. and the klast is the ONLY aura one, being you can see the aura when he is flying
@Thrand11
3 ай бұрын
Freddy is way better than than Vecna. I get 4ks with Freddy Vecna is Trash on PTB
@minatonamikaze6400
4 ай бұрын
Imagine a killer with mid power that buff survivors. It's worse than freddy
@Xcro216
4 ай бұрын
Im already got my anti vec survivor build 😂
@Thrand11
3 ай бұрын
Agreed!!!!
@robertosantos3769
3 ай бұрын
Imagine a killer that gives an dredge to the survivor basically any match
@IKnowWhatYouDid3
4 ай бұрын
I love how everyone one else is claiming he's a great and op killer when he's absolutely not lmfao nice to see some honesty 👍
@llamabadgergaming173
4 ай бұрын
So basically he’s a magic killer that buffs survivors if they have a certain item. “I think we’ve done a pretty good job so far” perfectly sums up how he was designed. I know it’s the ptb and he can be buffed, but if nothing is changed then it’s not a good sign for killer mains going forward.
@MJoodle
4 ай бұрын
Man actually said this man was as bad as Twins, a top tier killer. Aight my guy nice bait
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
I meant twins on launch. Like twins ptb and early on. Twins now? Nah they’re very good
@friedchickenchessemilos2687
4 ай бұрын
8:34 in the video he says that he's as bad as twins in how they're like clunky to play and right after he says the Victor is at least strong compared to vecna
@thekingpotato346
3 ай бұрын
As a twins main i was about to pop in here and clash some heads not really XD
@blckorb6322
4 ай бұрын
He just feels clunky. Which is fine since it’s the ptb I hope he gets ironed out
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
I have faith it’ll be ironed out and it won’t be one minute to use a projectile that’s beaten by one button
@typervader
4 ай бұрын
This is definitely an overreaction. He's far from C tier and has quite alot to his kit. They just need to fix the clunkyness and then he's mostky fine with a few small number tweaks
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
But that’s what I’m saying? As of now his kit is too clunky, slow, and punishing but with buffs he’d be much better.
@typervader
4 ай бұрын
@@D0NUTB0Y Yes, but even in his current state he's not anywhere close to Freddy tier
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
I mean at least freddy has an ability in chase that works. Flight of the damned is easy as hell to dodge and has a 60 second cooldown. Flight isn’t good in chase and gives less mobility than freddy since his tps and the pallet vault / window is useless. Mage hand does basically nothing as shown in the video. And the orb gives decent info I guess. And again whenever he uses any ability survivors get to see his aura because of the equipment or even gain haste. Remember old object of obsession freddy? It’s basically the same thing now but now survivors get haste
@typervader
4 ай бұрын
@@D0NUTB0Y Hand and Fly have good ulikity in chase, just require really good timing Flight of the dammed I agree is really, really bad. Orb is actually really useful as an ability. Are you sure they have 60 seconds? They feel more like 45 (Still too long either way) The main thing veca has is versatility. He can use his abilites in a bunch of ways.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
I timed it all 4 abilities are on a 60 second timer. And yeah he does have versatility I see it in the kit it’s just that the numbers on them are too low (like with hand 4 seconds is not even close to long enough) or too high like cooldowns and end lag like with fly. Make the abilities 30 second cooldowns, flight harder to dodge, and make it so you’re not so slow while using all his abilities. Like I showed on the vid hand slows you down too much to try and use it to shut down a loop paired with it being 4 seconds means that in every loop imaginable all it does is make it so survivors have to loop around it one more time. And orb can be useful as long as they don’t have the magic item that yknow shows vecna and the orb’s aura from cross map
@BoolianKazooka
4 ай бұрын
Dude the killer has been out for 12 HOURS. You can’t possibly pretend to be an expert on him after such short time. We still don’t really know his full potential. He’ll get ironed out in live. Chill.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
There are some things that are objective. Like the power taking one minute to recharge (longest in the game), Massive slowdown when using his powers, being able to crouch under his only damaging ability, survivors gaining free aura reading and haste etc etc.
@Zakon673
4 ай бұрын
I feel like the addon to make Mage Hand break pallets is a similar situation to when Demogorgon used to need an addon to break pallets with Shred. I feel like that should just be what the ability does and the addon should be a meme addon that lets him lift it back up instead. Everyone who played killer last year knows how much fun the anniversary ability to remotely break pallets was, Vecna is a perfect killer to put it on, and with the cooldown I don't even think it would be imbalanced.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
100% agree that it should become basekit like demo shred. Especially on a 1 minute cooldown
@metagamer1341
4 ай бұрын
If I had a penny for every killer that gets countered by the ctrl key, I would have way too many fucking pennies
@yamato-999
4 ай бұрын
I see absolutely no reason to play him when I could just keep playing Artist and do almost everything better.
@Badblood226
4 ай бұрын
Thankfully most of these changes can be fixed by his live release.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
Yeah nothing really horrible just needs a lot of number changes
@Badblood226
4 ай бұрын
@@D0NUTB0Y his power isnt PTB ghostface level of terrible.
@azumi4094
4 ай бұрын
If a killer has 4 abilities that they can choose from at will yet the killer is still c tier you know the killer has problems
@ImR3DACT3D
3 ай бұрын
1. Only make the crouch counter for flight of the damned available if you have the magic item with you because the skeletons are already able to be dodged because you can walk through the gaps they make as they fly, the crouch is just overkill. And possibly remove the slow so Vecna can actually get to someone crouching if they do have the magic item so in some cases you still have to use your brain and run through the gaps 2. Allow Vecna to go for a basic attack after flying through a pallet or window like Wesker or Chucky can so fly's most important feature is actually useful, leave literally everything else alone 3. Allow mage hand to break pallets, multiple killers can break pallets with their power. And increase the amount of time mage hand holds the pallet for but keep the slow that Vecna gets from casting it 4. dispelling sphere is fine, probably the best one here
@fem-yan
3 ай бұрын
funniest thing is that you can completely negate a pallet block by just dropping the pallet when he's going for mage hand cause theres a visual cue thats reactable
@LordRazer3
4 ай бұрын
The pallet pick up has neche uses. Spirit fury trap, long loops, and making killer shack the most unsafe place to be if you have bamboozle since if done correctly guarantees a hit. What we need honestly is a killer perk a triggers anytime a survivor drops a pallet even if it doesn't hit you
@Repl1cantsM1nd
4 ай бұрын
I'm glad that I'm not the only one feeling that way. From my experience so far, the slow down after each spell was so drastic that I would've been better off just no using it at all. My problem is that his spells seem to be on the weaker end but survivors still get items to make them EVEN WORSE??? I think it would be fine if the spells would be a bit overtuned (like being able to hit a survivor during flight or something similar) because the whole reason these items exist is to go against this "unstoppable force". Imo this would make this killer feel way more intimidating which he is supposed to be. Edit: and I wouldn't actually mind the 60 second cooldown if his spells were actually good.
@mysticrunic5013
4 ай бұрын
Yeah I feel the same way I don't mind having large cooldowns on them but you need to give a reason to why they have such large cooldowns
@meliksahgulmez9664
4 ай бұрын
You got that right. He‘s a jack of all trades, a master of none. But oftentimes better than a master of one
@konajohnson6182
4 ай бұрын
I understand he’s clunky and a lot of people have been complaining so I feel the devs are gonna tweak his kit so it’s less clunky and more fluid. Once they iron out the issues people have with him I feel he’ll be a mid to high tier killer. My opinion on him is that he is strong in the right hands and weak in the wrong hands. His power is relied solely on the players knowledge on how to use the spells. He has a low skill floor but extremely high skill ceiling and I feel that’s a good thing as there are bound to be new things to learn in the comings months. I used to play a decent amount of D&D years ago and even without that bias, I don’t think he is as bad as this video states. I was worried BHVR would screw up this license but they’ve done it justice and once he feels more fluid, he’ll be able to stand with the rest of the killer cast naturally!! 👍
@Nhoebi
4 ай бұрын
He feels like a jack of all trades (mobility/anti pallet/anti loop/info) but master of none since all 4 spells seem really weak due to delay/slowdown/cooldown and while "it's PTB bro", do you think BHVR will find a balanced spot for his 4 spells+add-ons? I doubt, he has too many options to have all 4 being good, if all 4 are good he is like A+ at minimum but if they stay like they are, he is like C+ Keep in mind BHVR tried to nerf Billy engravings, nerfed Freddy to the ground then reworked him just to nerf him to the ground again alongside other stupid changes/bad changes, It's easy to say that BHVR can't balance simple things, imagine a 4 power killer lol, but sure It's too early to say, lets trust BHVR since they are doing such a good job so far!
@theparagonkid
4 ай бұрын
This video is spot on. I was specifically aggravated by how trash his Perks are. There hasn't been a good Killer perk added in years now
@MistarZtv
4 ай бұрын
Imagine a killer power that buffs survivors. 😂
@enderkahn1018
4 ай бұрын
I've already had a couple ideas as to how these could be fixed, so here's my suggestions. Fly: Like how Spirit's power, Yamaoka's Haunting, goes into cooldown for only as long as how much is used, do the same for Fly Flight of the Damned: Survivors can't crouch under them... okay next Mage Hand: You no longer suffer a speed penalty on use, and when Mage Hand lifts a pallet, it continues to block it in equal time Dispelling Sphere: When casted, it doesn't pause to expand, it simply moves as it's expanding All: Make the powers actually have a 30-45 second cooldown, but make it so when a dispelled survivor is injured, 3 seconds is cut from cooldown. When dispelled survivors are downed, a further 4-5 seconds is cut from cooldown. I hope these sound reasonable.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
100% agree with all of those except maybe a shorter cooldown on abilities because 30 seconds is still a lot considering most abilities are like 15-20 seconds or so and can be 10x stronger.
@enderkahn1018
4 ай бұрын
@@D0NUTB0Y That is true, though I do like the idea of actively using Dispelling Sphere for more than tracking and/or the dispelling alone. Vecna should definitely have a shorter cooldown, so maybe 25 seconds would sound more reasonably considering the nature of his powers via Mobility/Tracking/Disabling/and Range.
@pocketdust2450
4 ай бұрын
Or just make Dispelling Sphere reduce other ability cool-downs by X amount of % of remaining cool-down per survivor hit, more so on survivors with magic items, like 10% of remaining cool-down which increases to 20% for holders of magic items, and increases to 40% for artifact holders. I'd just reduce Hand and Head to 20 seconds, fly to 40 seconds and keep sphere at 60 seconds.
@kinyon2555
4 ай бұрын
I see potential in him. It’s just like Scott said he just needs some number adjustments
@antoninbertin-denis9545
4 ай бұрын
I think this is the most imaginative power so far, but unfortunately they tried to come soft with this one... What I would do is : •Fly : make it that it lasts far longer, and maybe 1.5 seconds cooldown, to make it a travel ability at least as good as Freddy's one but still kinda (really kinda) good in chase. The object now only shows Vecna's Aura for as long as he uses Flight. •Magic Hand : Breaks pallets when used on a dropped pallet, and it blocks pallets for 7 (9 with add-on). A way less punitive slowdown, but maybe longer? Like Nurse Speed and 1 second longer ? The object gives only 5% Haste for 3 seconds •Big sphere (don't remember its name) : Expands as it goes forward. Survivor hit with the sphere are exhausted for 0.5 second and exhaustion recovery is paused for as long as they are inflicted with the sphere effect. They are also hindered by 3% (to give it some use in chase). The object only shows the sphere aura and only when its within 16 metres of the Survivor. •Flight of the Dead : Now it spawns 7 skeletons side by side but 1 over 2 is at ground level (4) and the other higher (3). This would do a shape like this : o°o°o°o I don't remember what the object does, but I would give it the following effect : While Flight of the Dead is used, your crouching movement speed is set at your running speed. Each spell has now a 30 second Cooldown (you can so use a spell every 7.5 seconds, I think this is fair, unless you burn all of them at the same time...
@antoninbertin-denis9545
4 ай бұрын
Correction : 5% Haste for 2 seconds
@deadman-3964
4 ай бұрын
100% agree, he could be a great killer but they need to adjust his powers. Remove the slowdown on Fly, Make the Mage and last double duration, Flight of the Damned ffeels like it needs the most work not even sure how to fix it.
@andeeersu9287
4 ай бұрын
this game is doomed. worst devs ever existed
@crazypuppet919
4 ай бұрын
just a thought I wanted to share^ I think it would be cool if spread of his skeletons depened on how long you hold a button. if you just click< it goes very tight, but the more you hold, the more they spread out
@dusty0559
4 ай бұрын
Can't fathom what the devs where thinking designing an ability that survivors can completely nullify by pressing CTRL. How dumb do they think the average survivor is?
@therandomgamer8107
4 ай бұрын
Same for nemesis whip
@pocketdust2450
4 ай бұрын
@@therandomgamer8107 But Nemesis whip can hit above obstacles and doesn't go on a 60 second cool-down, and takes half a second to activate. Vecna's kit is basically Wesker but worse.
@Yigit_Efe_Dalyan
4 ай бұрын
5:31 HOLLOW PURPLE
@Nhoebi
4 ай бұрын
Sound like a stand lmao
@_Seph_
4 ай бұрын
My opinion about his spells: - Mage hand should also have ability to break breakable walls imo. I think it suits the spell and would make a lot of sense (and it could improve the spell a bit). It also should hold the pallets for a bit longer (4-5 seconds is really meh. Make it 6-7 and it's already way better.) - Fly is fine the way it is honestly imo. - The revealing orb is also kinda fine, but maybe it should move a bit faster cuz it's like survivor walking speed atm and if survivors see it's aura they will just hold W and it won't ever catch them. - Flight of the damned... it needs some improvements. The hitbox is too small and specific. And the cone shape creates too big safe spaces between the skeletons. I would make the skeletons bigger and maybe change the cone shape into a rectangle so there isn't much space between them. + overall I definitelly would change the cooldown to 45 instead of 60 seconds. Then we would see whether that's too much or not enough and could change further. (Also there is some like 15 seconds cooldown at the start of the match for some reason if I remember it right. So I would make it like 5 or delete it complete.)
@VaderTheWhite
4 ай бұрын
Mage Hand and Flight of the Damned are both accurate to their 5e counterparts. Mage Hand can move but not destroy and Flight of the Damned is a cone.
@_Seph_
4 ай бұрын
@@VaderTheWhite I mean Mage Hand can absolutely destroy in D&D. It can push, it can pull, it can punch. Those things can indeed destroy maaaany things. If it punched into a wall and it destroyed it that would make sense. Flight of the Damned is a cone, yes. But for balancing issues it could change shape for dbd. Not everything has to be nor is a 1:1 copy of the original. But if we kept it a cone, then still - make the hitboxes better, the skeletons a bit bigger.
@DaisyDuketh
4 ай бұрын
Gonna play devil's advocate but as someone whos played a lot of vecna the issue is more so i think that his powers can be too slow. each of them has good utility but i think hes B- near a character like Singularity and just like Singularity they have incredible powers but have one major issue that hold them back (Singularity's easy emps and Vecnas cooldown) i guarantee if they added a longer cooldown on emps singularity would be oppressive the same way with Vecnas cooldown would give him far too much strength. i can easily see a killer like him taking an inch from a mile if they buff him in the wrong way. overall i think hes good but just underpowered a bit. i think your points for the most part are valid but i think its a bit overblown but could just be how we just recently got him so our thoughts have yet to truly form in hindsight
@coalgames101
4 ай бұрын
Magic hand is the killer version of repressed alliance. An ability that is originally given to the other side and therefore only really helps the other side...
@dmitrivologoslav
4 ай бұрын
imo repressed is good. can counter pop or from what i've seen killers just straight up leave if u use it
@coalgames101
4 ай бұрын
it has a very niche use and imo doesnt make up for the amount of time you're no longer able to progress the gen
@TheRedarm75
4 ай бұрын
Repressed prevents degenerative perks from affecting generator you apply it to so you can stop regression from having a chance to affect your gen It also reviles itself to your team mates if they are paying attention
@coalgames101
4 ай бұрын
Mostly depends on the killers build which is why I say it's niche. I can see it in use in a gen kick meta, but outside of that I would not use it.
@BowserStrange
4 ай бұрын
This a balanced killer but because you just want another 4K killer that completely zones you with no counter play you call him weak…Stop jumping the gun till he actually releases in live before the killer community creates another miserable experience.🙄😒
@gabeyman9587
4 ай бұрын
This guy make a positive video challenge impossible
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
Well I’ve done a video about how I liked the Chucky, the alien chapter, and I’ve done a video talking about the best changes made to the game soooo
@Sussno_o
4 ай бұрын
I haven't played him yet, but i thought it was 30 seconds. But hopefully, the cool down is decreased when he comes to live servers
@smilekong6673
4 ай бұрын
I’m so happy vecna isn’t the best killer tbh
@BrightWulph
4 ай бұрын
Bro chillax, its the PTB ofc he;s going to feel clunky and unintuitive. He's new, at least give BHVR a chance to address some of the issues before proclaiming him to be worse than Freddy.
@6ToesHeACreature
4 ай бұрын
Exactly it’s a ptb Behavior needs feedback and rn he really isn’t good which is what Behavior needs to hear so he can get buffs.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
I mean the point of a ptb is to give feedback and that’s exactly what I’m doing. I’m saying how his cooldowns are too long, his kit is too clunky, and he slows down way too much.
@BrightWulph
4 ай бұрын
@@D0NUTB0Y Then take the complaints to the forums, instead of making a video.
@BadassHater1
4 ай бұрын
Knowing BHVR they will release him as is because ironing things out is hard and they are lazy as fuck
@CloverSD
4 ай бұрын
@@BrightWulphBut... it's what he does? Are you really saying that someone can't vent their frustrations through their main platform to talk to people?
@professorbofoy8848
4 ай бұрын
Isn´t he supposed to be a godlike lich in the lore? I say he should hook the whole team with a snap of his fingers!
@friedchickenchessemilos2687
4 ай бұрын
I can agree that he's not that strong as of right now is hand ability to block pellets doesn't really do much on most loops because they're just able to Loop it again and then drop it, the skeleton ability is very easily counterable, big ball is okay but like nothing that good its really slow, and finally fly is cool but its not crazy compared other killers, top this off that your slowed down with every power with high cooldown, most likely he's going to get buffed so I'm not too worried but as of how is power is now if it was to stay the same there's no real reason to get the killer because he's not really that strong and is Perks just aren't good, cool ass design though
@AlsoMeowskivich
4 ай бұрын
all show and no substance is basically him. no way they don't buff him
@IRN_ShockViper_-lm8ow
3 ай бұрын
The only thing I see on this channel is wrong opinions and complaining. I haven’t even played the ptb but I already know several ways how this killer can work. Also ptb isn’t even out.
@sqrt-ts2xj
4 ай бұрын
do not compare him to Freddy he has a fun and new power, and mage hand would be so op if it held it as long as you would say you are right, when picking up pallets they should break after and it should just be basekit. Freddy is so boring vecna at least has the potential to be fun
@sqrt-ts2xj
4 ай бұрын
also twins are good I will not take hate
@brandonvanzyl7725
4 ай бұрын
Imma be honest... i dont even care if Vecna is bad, i will main him on the basis of being a dnd nerd and i will learn
@michaeldagadagn307
4 ай бұрын
The problem I would see with having a 30 second cooldown on all abilities for Vecna is that most players will be spamming those abilities like crazy. A reasonable 40 second cooldown should be sufficient without being too overwhelming for the survivors.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
I mean 30 seconds is still more than the strongest abilities in the game like nurse, spirit, blight, artist, pyramid head etc etc. Not to mention that flight of the damned is the easiest attack to dodge in the entire game. 30 seconds would be much better but still would need to be lower considering stuff like artist crows and pyramid head beams can be spammed 10x more and are easier to hit and harder to dodge.
@Mercer526
4 ай бұрын
@D0NUTB0Y the powers shouldn't all have the same cooldown. They should have different cooldowns corresponding to the power level of the ability. All the powers are not equal
@pocketdust2450
4 ай бұрын
@@Mercer526 So make fly 40 seconds, head 20 seconds, orb 60 seconds with longer effect duration, and hand also 20 seconds. Make this disgrace of a killer more interactive.
@TheWiseLobster
4 ай бұрын
I disagree with him being C tier. I have played a fair bit of Vecna and I can say he's a solid B tier. Use his flight for travel or body blocking pallets, orb for disabling magic items or clearing out large areas, skeletons are decent for area denial and rare hits (possibly the worst part of his kit since they are easy to dodge by crouching or side stepping slightly), and the best part of his kit mage hand can be used like knight's carnifex to pickup the pallet mid drop animation and swing to hit a survivor.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
His flight can’t be used to body block pallets because when he stops flying he’s unable to act for 3 seconds which is enough time for survivors to run around him or the loop or to a window etc etc. the end lag on it is way too long for him to get value out of it. The orb is good IF and only if they don’t have the item that lets them see the aura of it cross map and vecna’s aura as well. The skeletons can’t even really be used as area denial because like i said it fires instantly instead of it being like artist crows. Hand isn’t good picking up pallets because that still means it’s an issue later on so you can be stunned another time not to mention literally every other killer breaks pallets (demo, blight, singularity, knight). He’s the only killer to actually benefit survivors by resetting a pallet for them
@daniels2745
4 ай бұрын
@@D0NUTB0YNo, you want to use hand as they slam it. So you pick it up, and immediately force your way in the pallet. They can’t slam it as you’re already right on top of them. They made no distance, and you get an easy hit
@IKnowWhatYouDid3
4 ай бұрын
@@daniels2745bro no💀
@pocketdust2450
4 ай бұрын
@@daniels2745 It takes 2 seconds to lift a pallet, which means survivors gain ~3 seconds of distance which is usually enough to get to a window, so again you give them back a free pallet. Even if you force yourself through the pallet with the 50% faster lift add-on, it's still a bad ability that incentivizes Shift + W. If they have the magic item you shouldn't even use the ability because it only hinders you at all loops.
@daniels2745
4 ай бұрын
@@pocketdust2450 That is entirely dependent on the tile/set up. Second, the good part is you don’t have to walk around the pallet. You can just walk right through it. Most killer powers get countered/hurt by shift + W. Vecna isn’t somehow a billions times worse for it. It depends on what item they have. You could also use dispelling sphere before they reach said tile
@DMundus
4 ай бұрын
He is so overhyped but his abilities are so slow an look clunky.
@localviking666
4 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree this guy needs a buff in every ability
@mysticrunic5013
4 ай бұрын
Yeah I do think it's a bit hyperbolic to say he's as bad as Freddy but like you said he just needs tweaks here's a good bass kit it's just the numbers need to be fixed ( also it's weird to see me in a video)
@nsreturn1365
4 ай бұрын
ohh boyy here we go another killer with counterplay in form of items for surv, ......
@penguin.tempur
4 ай бұрын
He is just coming he still in testing
@antoninbertin-denis9545
4 ай бұрын
Yes but that's also why we have to report that
@2bstiff584
4 ай бұрын
killer get short end of the stick again
@Mercer526
4 ай бұрын
Dark days ahead for killer mains
@AMCART99
4 ай бұрын
Not just me then, yeah he is neutered before he had a chance.
@comedyman2817
4 ай бұрын
They had the singularity mindset of making a strong killer with strong counterplay but they forgot to make him strong
@somekinnn
4 ай бұрын
Eh, SIngularity just has bad QoL issues and addon reliance, with those fixed he'd be in a very good spot I think.
@Gabriel-l3s
4 ай бұрын
This guy got a serious case of skill issues
@nolifeconsolegamer
4 ай бұрын
100% agree
@kingflash6972
4 ай бұрын
Sure he kinda feels like shit at times, however i don't think he's a weak C Tier killer, i think he's just a clunky killer at a Mid-Low B Tier around Doctor/Knight level imo
@samloredescarregado1755
4 ай бұрын
Hopefullg he dont become singularity 2 Great potential with too much counterplay
@SeenisterVeenom
4 ай бұрын
Skill issue Vecs skelly power can't be used for the sake of using it. If you know survivors can crouch to use your power don't just spam it if you know it has a 60 sec cooldown. You have force a survivor in a scenario "which is easy". Like you said in a vault or pallet drop (WHICH IS SUPER COMMON). It's literally that easy. Next up the pallet hold has to be used properly. You have to time it on certain loops to gain full value. I ran bamboozle and used it at shack. Or any god loop (that has long pathing). Because you can catch them before they can make another long loop. You can't really use it at short loops. Next up, the flying is just a good way to catch up. (Duh) if you didn't waste your power spamming it, the 3 seconds doesn't matter. If you land a free M1 you can literally catch up and crush them at a second loop. The bubble ability is just tracking and overall doesn't matter. Survivors gaining items is RNG and you forgot to mention they can get punished for it as well. Just like they can gain an op item THEY CAN ROLL A 1 AND take damage. This character sits at a solid B+ to an A The cool downs don't matter if you use them as intended. They should lower the cool downs by a smidge. But other than that, Vecs fine.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
The skeletons are genuinely the easiest attack to dodge in the entire game. It’s a slow telegraphed attack that gets shut down by pressing one button on a 60 second timer. It’s worse than huntress, pyramid head, artist, unknown etc etc attack. For such a long cooldown (the literal longest in the game) you would expect it to be decent but no the worst attack in the game. The hand trick is only good if you get the timing exactly right but compare that to blight demo oni etc etc who can just instantly break the pallet with basically no slowdown and again not a 60 second cooldown it’s objectively bad. If the only way an ability that take that long to recharge has one select scenario that’s usable in a one second window it’s bad. It’s worse than bubba billy nemesis because as soon as you break the pallet you’re back on your way and can use your power again but not vecna. Not to mention that if you DO mess up the timing and pick up the pallet you have literally reset the loop and put yourself back at square one wasting your one shot at using your power. Flying is too slow to get value outside of catching up to a survivor after a hit / lithe etc. I mean look at the best killers in the game. Nurse, spirit, blight AND Chucky COMBINED ALL IN ONE have less of a cooldown than vecna. Explain in what universe a killer who has the longest cooldowns in the game paired with extremely mediocre info, speed, and basically no attacking ability (since you can just duck under it) is anything higher than C tier. Because what you’re saying is all this killer needs to do is hit his abilities at extremely specific times ie vault or just as they drop a pallet but like other killers can do that but better. Huntress, artist, unknown, nemesis, xenomorph etc and have LESS or NO cooldown while being EASIER to hit than a one second window. C tier at best
@plague6174
4 ай бұрын
Gaslighting gets you killed.
@ripgasbaron9716
4 ай бұрын
"Don't spam the 60 second cool down attack"
@badddbraddd8289
4 ай бұрын
Tbh it sounds like a skill issue, you’re baiting or exaggerating because he’s not bad at all just a little clunky
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
60 second cooldown on the easiest attack to dodge in the game but yeah I’m exaggerating
@plague6174
4 ай бұрын
Gaslighting gets you killed.
@badddbraddd8289
4 ай бұрын
@@D0NUTB0Y yes you are because it actually a really balanced cool down you must be playing him wrong if your biggest complaint is that you can’t spam one of his 4 abilities
@Нефайлайт
4 ай бұрын
This killer is a shame. Even when i heard the description of Vecna I immediately felt sorry for him. Every killer who has simular power is stronger because they have ONE, but GOOD ability. This man has A LOT of powers, NONE of them is good
@DragonOnCoke7299
4 ай бұрын
This is the worst take I've seen in this game in a long time. Literal skill issue, he's perfectly fine
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
Genuinely please explain how he’s fine. How is a 60 second cooldown on the worst damaging ability in the game a “skill issue”. Or having 3 seconds of end lag after using flight a “skill issue”. No seriously please tell me how or your take even worse than mine
@DragonOnCoke7299
4 ай бұрын
@@D0NUTB0Y Dude the clips you show have you flying him into walls. You use his ranged attack too close to where it morphs through into the room. You don't use ALL of his powers at once, you use them situationally. And the hand is literally all about timing. You have to use it to lift up a pallet the second a survivor drops it because it gives them very little distance to get away after the animation. Like come on man he's one of the best designed killers we've had in the game since The Singularity.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
Yet you don’t mention the ranged attack that is the easiest to dodge in the game that’s on a 60 second cooldown. The hand trick is horrible because it relies on such strict timing that no other killer really needs. Every other killer would just break the pallet with their ability making the area a dead zone but for vecna if he raises it again all that does it make the pallet able to be dropped again which means you can get stunned again. Compared to singularity who can break it instantly, blight, demo, knight etc etc who break it vecna actively uses a survivor perk to help out the team by using any means necessary. How is that good gameplay design? In what way is helping the survivors reset a loop good gameplay design? That’s like if knight’s guards picked up the pallet instead of breaking it. And again you say you need to do it the second a survivor drops the pallet when demo, nemesis, bubba etc would just break the pallet and continue the chase as fast if not faster than vecna can all while on shorter cooldowns because again 60 second cooldown.
@Zbot919
4 ай бұрын
I thought you liked him in the live
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
I mean I like him but it doesn’t mean he’s good
@tangiblenoah2035
4 ай бұрын
Bro wants to be different so badly
@plague6174
4 ай бұрын
My basketballs on your 4Head are boutta be different or whatever.
@BlackZones55
4 ай бұрын
Trash bait, do better
@CuriousKippz
4 ай бұрын
This is just a skill issue, get good.
@plague6174
4 ай бұрын
Gaslighting gets you killed.
@victorgaming5098
4 ай бұрын
Vecna are so easy to beat if you are any good at survivor
@CuriousKippz
4 ай бұрын
@victorgaming5098 Lmao if you're a bad vecna, maybe. Hes a strong killer, its just a skill issue if the vecna cant kill the survivors
@plague6174
4 ай бұрын
@@CuriousKippz Blah blahblaaaahhh. All of that gaslighting is gunna getcha hurt.
@CuriousKippz
4 ай бұрын
@plague6174 gaslighting? Its just facts.
@thatfishguy4991
4 ай бұрын
Agreed. I think the biggest problem is that they chose DND as the chapter. It was doomed to be horrible.
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
I mean dnd doesn’t mean it’s gonna be horrible per say. Just because it’s not a slasher killer means it’s gonna be bad because look at skull merchant, trickster,knight, and wesker. They aren’t exactly “scary” at all
@fentanylzz
4 ай бұрын
wait till he finds out he comes with perks of his own lmao
@C.D.S_creator
4 ай бұрын
Welp that's what ptb is for to improve the killers stats or whatever 🫤
@D0NUTB0Y
4 ай бұрын
Exactly! So far there's nothing structurally wrong with his kit besides like haste for survivors and being able to crouch under his only attack ability. He just needs number tweaks on how long abilities take to recover, slowdown when using them etc etc.
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