SHRI DR ELST MUST RECEIVE THE PADMA SHRI AWARD FOR HIS UNWAVERING FIGHT FOR BHARAT ITIHAAS AND OUR CIVILIZATION!!! HE HAS NEVER STOPPED HIS BRILLIANT ACADEMIC DISCOURSE WHILE REMAINING HUMBLE, ESPECIALLY TO HIS PEERS.
@vipulchaturvedi996
Жыл бұрын
Jijith Ravi i hail your monumental work . Your efforts are very inspiring.
@kastaway25
Жыл бұрын
Shri. Jijith Sir, waiting eagerly for your book on Mahabharata!!
@mruthyunjayasiddalingaiah7489
Жыл бұрын
🕉️ Sarve Bhavanthu Sukhino 🇮🇳🙏 🕉️ Loka Samasta Sukhino Bhavanthu🇮🇳🙏
@technoyamraj
Жыл бұрын
Mahabharat describes about flowing river Saraswati ... And modern research shows that it completely dried around 1900 BCE .... So how can Mahabharat war happen in 1793 BCE ?
@playhard719
Жыл бұрын
In Mahabharat river Saraswati described as flowing underground not as fully flowing river so it might make sense that it happened around 2000 BCE
@technoyamraj
Жыл бұрын
@@playhard719 In Mahabharatal it has been described that many religious processions were been done on the banks of river SaRaswati .... It is mentioned as a small river channel but not an underground stream .... If it's underground how can the religious processions been done ....
@playhard719
Жыл бұрын
@@technoyamraj I just guessing here, maybe at that time the river is only seasonal and rain fed instead of fed by glacial of Himalayas, also Mahabaratha lots stories about the past, like the events of Rigveda mentioned briefly, so are you very sure the rituals are taking place as current event in Mahabaratha?
@technoyamraj
Жыл бұрын
@@playhard719 yes of course religious processions were being done at that time ... T Their are many references praising river Saraswati .... Rigveda describes river Saraswati as a wide heavy flowing river .... V.Ramayana describes it as a small river .... And Mahabharat describes it as a small stream .... Moreover, an earthquake around 6000-5000 BCE resulted in Sutlej changing its course decreasing it overall volume of water and so in V.Ramayan it is mentioned a small river ....
@JijithNadumuriRavi
Жыл бұрын
In 1900 BCE the river is only partially dried up - not completely dried up. Mahabharata describe it as a partially dried up river, dried up in the middle course from Vinashana to Chamasodbheda - exactly as expected in 1793 BCE. Even today, it is not completely dried up. Flow is still there in the Sarsuti channel in northern Haryana, as a tributary of Ghaggar. The government of Haryana is working to make the river flow again.
@anuradham8435
Жыл бұрын
Super..thank you for this valuable research
@Indo-European_Studies
Жыл бұрын
The dating of the Rigveda between 3300 and 1900 BCE contradicts the data given by the text of the Atharvaveda which is composed before the drying out of the Sarasvati around 1900 BCE but is several hundred years younger than the Rigveda judging by its language, contents, religion and mythology. The Rigveda couldn't have been contemporary with the Atharvaveda. So the Atharvaveda must be dated prior to 1900 BCE and the Rigveda must be dated before the Atharvaveda.
@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv
Жыл бұрын
These scholars may research but they have to take care and also give some importance to Indian traditional chronology because the spiritual masters all has talked that ramayan is very much before mahabharata war. And If modern dating for modern times as per scientific evidences They must take vedas into account from mahabharata war because maharshi vedvyas has divided them in four branches and give one veda to one for each for four main shishyas. Before that the scientific evidence of vedas from modern scientific perspective I think is not possible. So these must take task from mahabharata war date. I think in modern kalyug times real dates of these can't be proved but we must not disturb the chronology of vedas than ramayan than mahabharata war.
@ssekhar8660
Жыл бұрын
Researchers like Talagiri ji, elst,Ravi, bhattnagar can not go beyound the time set by colonial historians for IVC in relation dating Vedic & post vedic Indian civilisation, though they project of having different points of view on AIT/AMT & OMT. These above OMT proponents & there counterparts i.e AIT/AMT proponents have least regards for traditional chronology, as they hardly take into thr evolution of Indian Luni-Solar callender system unlike Vedveer Arya ji, whose approach is most sensible.
@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv
Жыл бұрын
@@ssekhar8660 but they can go upto traditional mahabharata war date I am saying from there they must take because maharshi vedvyas divided the veda in four parts.
@ssekhar8660
Жыл бұрын
@@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv , So far, I gather, Their ( Talagiri ji, Elst sahib, Ravi & Bhattnagar ji) date for Rig Veda is around 3000BC & Mbh around 1500BC, where as Traditional date for MBH is around 3000BC.
@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv
Жыл бұрын
@@ssekhar8660 the problem with these new dates is that till now Indian people has not completely accepted the theories and history as studied by Indian govt but if these false date are added in syllabus than they will become accepted. And become the new norm and will undermine traditional fabric.
@AnandRajappan
Жыл бұрын
I wonder, how to mention a place in Vedic literature or the famous itihasas mean it is migration or some sort of discovery and movement? Only very few Vedic rituals needs the place to be mentioned as pandits who knows how Vedic rituals works in this same Sangam Talks like Shri Mrigendra ji. Having found names and animals in text has actually nothing to do with migration in reality, it can only indicate that it was all local to the region that is around the central north Indic region and nothing more or nothing less. Good to see discussion on OIM and definitely good to see counters on AIT/AIM. Wish we leave lot of space to expand the number of years of what we know and keep bare minimum 3000+ for Mahabharata as lot of astronomy evidence and stone records prove it as Dr. Jayashree Saranathan Ji had already explained
@pattamadaiksivaswami9454
Жыл бұрын
I suggest a one to one debate between Dr Konrad & Dr #Jayashree Saranathan about this subject , Ramayana, Mahabharat historical evidence ...
@user-ot7mk2cn2l
Жыл бұрын
एकम सनातन भारत दल,,,,,बस✋
@tamashbeen6610
Жыл бұрын
Rama and Krishna just 100 years apart defies my belief.
@vijay-1
Жыл бұрын
Important information
@TropicOfCancer1998
Жыл бұрын
I heard Surya Siddhanta says Lanka is in the Equator.
@technoyamraj
Жыл бұрын
Yes, probably Chagos Archipelago
@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv
Жыл бұрын
These interpretation by jijith nadumuri may not be completely true.
@technoyamraj
Жыл бұрын
@@AJAYSINGH-ns1vv his research on geography is good but not on chronology ....
@krishnaji111
6 ай бұрын
Please keep the map visible while you speak and minimize yourself to an icon.
@shyamalkumarsowmondal7704
Жыл бұрын
💞🙏
@Gsiiieivveeaieou
3 ай бұрын
Google ,caste no bar’ by anupriya. In 1500bc the freely and extensively mixing ANI population (Steppe ancestry + AASI) were prevalent in north India, up until the arrival/invasion of the Vedic Aryan Culture in 100AD, first century AD and the enforcement of Endogamy, done to prevent the Vedic society from mixing with the prevalent ANI Population who were in due course subject to the Varna/jati enforced segregation. system. The arrival of the Aryan Vedic culturel changed the demography of North India. The Vedas. Sanskrit,non existent river Saraswati manusmriti Endogamy, varn/jati system etc all appear in the first century AD .
@rakeshraghu2671
3 ай бұрын
Those who want yo see shit only they see that dig more
@Indo-European_Studies
Жыл бұрын
The Primary Chronicle of the Kiyevan Rus mentions the migration of the Slavs from the Danube, but does this mean that this part of the text of the Primary Chronicle was composed in the VI century AD and in the valley of the Danube? Of course not, because we know that the Slavs had no alphabet to write down their life in the Danube region in VI century AD and that the Primary Chronicle was completed only in about 1117 AD in Kiyev on the Dnieper river. The same is with the Rigveda. One shouldn't dissect its text chronologically and geographically only because it mentions some places or rivers...
@uniqguy111
Жыл бұрын
These --- guys rename the rivers wherever they go. For example everyone knows they migrated to coastal Andhra Pradesh around 1000 AD. However, Godavari branches (just before meeting sea )have been renamed in Sanskrit ( Vainateya, Vashishta,Atreya, Bharadwaja etc) and built a story that Sapta Rishis brought them here. Whereas we see that Rigvedic/Sapta rishis area is completely confined to NW India. That said, I can't say if they are not native to India(Greater). They might been native to Afghanistan/Iran/Haryana and they renamed rivers. If you see, there are simple names to rivers (Ganga,Yamuna ,Sindhu,Gomati) where there was strong culture whose names could not be replaced. Where as in the same zone some rivers have complex Sanskrit names - Saraswati, Shutudri, Parushni ,Marudvrada,Arijikiya.. How complex they are !!. They are a combination of multiple words, where as you don't see any combination of words for Ganga. Also the cityname Kasi is very simple not like Kurukshetra/Vara Prithvya..
@uniqguy111
Жыл бұрын
These --- guys rename the rivers wherever they go. For example everyone knows they migrated to coastal Andhra Pradesh around 1000 AD. However, Godavari branches (just before meeting sea )have been renamed in Sanskrit ( Vainateya, Vashishta,Atreya, Bharadwaja etc) and built a story that Sapta Rishis brought them here. Whereas we see that Rigvedic/Sapta rishis area is completely confined to NW India. That said, I can't say if they are not native to India(Greater). They might been native to Afghanistan/Iran/Haryana and they renamed rivers. If you see, there are simple names to rivers (Ganga,Yamuna ,Sindhu,Gomati) where there was strong culture whose names could not be replaced. Where as in the same zone some rivers have complex Sanskrit names - Saraswati, Shutudri, Parushni ,Marudvrada,Arijikiya.. How complex they are !!. They are a combination of multiple words, where as you don't see any combination of words for Ganga. Also the cityname Kasi is very simple not like Kurukshetra/Vara Prithvya..
@Indo-European_Studies
Жыл бұрын
What Kikata migration in the Rigveda is he talking of?
@pradeepsogani8137
Жыл бұрын
PRANAM JI REGARDS PRADEEP SOGANI JAIPUR
@Gsiiieivveeaieou
2 ай бұрын
A Stonehenge type displacement of about 30 percent of the native AASI (HG) male population of the indo gangetic plains, in 1500bc is indicative of an invasion by the male biased non Vedic Steppe pastoralist who readily mixed with and merged into the AASI(HG), to create the (Steppe ancestry) ANI population.
@Sunny-rh6ik
Жыл бұрын
ALGORITHM
@himanshukandwal8710
Жыл бұрын
Sir as rigveda is universal so it does not mention geography. Meaning of Saraswati/Ganga is different than river 🙂
@ajeebadmi8052
Жыл бұрын
Not good in taste. Improve your knowledge.
@profrajeshmaurya5078
Жыл бұрын
They have been clearly described a rivers . There is Nadi Shukta.
@dandsamladi3332
Жыл бұрын
The entire naration is monotonous. When thus subject is new to the viewers some break of some known matter has to be brought in.I know Shrikant Talgeri and I got his two books,though I couldn't really them, whom the orator quoted but many of the viewers are not are of some thing about him has to be narated Isn't it. But the narator is going on in the some tone.
@krishnaji111
6 ай бұрын
Needs to improve fluency in speech , without pauses and aah sounds
@Indo-European_Studies
Жыл бұрын
The dating of the Rigveda text within such long temporal limits from 3300 BCE to 1900 BCE is linguistically impossible.
@sanchayansarkar2953
Жыл бұрын
Why not ?
@prakharmishra3997
Жыл бұрын
Then why don't you give any valid reason or evidence for your claim? Until you don't, I call BS on this
@SMCGPRA
Жыл бұрын
Rig Veda is orally remembered
@prakharmishra3997
Жыл бұрын
@@SMCGPRA How does it prove what you claimed?
@SMCGPRA
Жыл бұрын
@@prakharmishra3997 arey Mishra you are either from India or paki - you know Trivedi, dwivedi chaturvedi tradition of orally remembering vedas. It is after Panini grammar only vedas are put down on paper. Before that it is passed on from generation orally.
@krishnaji111
6 ай бұрын
Jijji needs to improve presentation very monotonous.
@dharmverma7595
Жыл бұрын
He doesn’t know what he is talking about . He is the same western agent dressed in pro- Bharat dress. Has he read Nilesh Oak’s book. He has proved using rigorous scientific methods the date of Mahabharata as about seven and five thousand years ago. Does this guy understand how scientifically constructed the Sanskrit language is! It couldn’t have evolved as de novo language of a premitive society. Looking at Sanskrit’s construct no doubt should exist that it came to Hindus either from a highly advanced prehistoric society or from alien extraterrestrial civilization in prehistoric times. Just study of Sanskrit language indicates that Hindu hx is prehistoric i.e. thousands of years old.
@mikedesi5513
Жыл бұрын
Vedic aryans were fish eating Brahmins who lived along saraswati river more than 3000 bc similar time periods of harappan civilization and as saraswati dried up they migrated so aryans possibly came around 3000 bc from Iran and turkey Anatolia these tribes then mixed produce current population peopl was always migrating both east and west so it does not prove the central point of aryans and harappan relationship
@urrasscal8380
Жыл бұрын
ivc is spread out from kashmir to karnataka therefore only one group of people living in this vast area is not possible .hence different group used to live side by side making harapan civilization and fuuccking with each other oh sorry marrying each other that's why all over N-S and E-W the festival is so similar specially the festival related to seasons.
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