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@benmrgamw681
6 ай бұрын
We do have to eat pigs.. some of the healthiest foods on earth.
@JoAnn_Vegan_USA
6 ай бұрын
Thank you, Joey, for having the courage to stand up for the animals. It took me "100 clicks" to become an ethical vegan. When I realized how smart pigs are and that there is no moral difference between a pig's life or a dog's life, I got my 100th click. Keep fighting for the animals. We believe in what you're doing.
@LouisGedo
6 ай бұрын
*Create a Better 🌎 and a Better You by.................Living Vegan* 💜
@Maynards_so_blue
6 ай бұрын
Prime is too expensive for me. You should have made it free to watch instead of a premium service. Just shows its all about money to joey
@CraigStanton-wy6zk
6 ай бұрын
@@Maynards_so_bluestream it online for free, brother.
@IceBoNeZ
6 ай бұрын
The mental gymnastics of that man is a real world example of Gary Yourofsky's "Excuses" speech.
@henryrutty9575
6 ай бұрын
true. great speech I miss Gary
@IceBoNeZ
6 ай бұрын
@@henryrutty9575 Yup, I miss his work too, he was one of the greats. 👍🏼
@StephenPark-ys7ot
3 ай бұрын
No excuses needed.
@IceBoNeZ
3 ай бұрын
@@StephenPark-ys7ot Excuses are all he has..
@SupermotoZach
6 ай бұрын
Begins the conversation with "Hi, I fully support you", ends with "Pollution though" :'D
@shaneboxhall1614
6 ай бұрын
I thought that's what vegans said.
@80slimshadys
6 ай бұрын
@@shaneboxhall1614 Bruh... tf? When have vegans ever used the justification that it's ok to murder animals to eat them because of pollution?
@MaximusofAthens
6 ай бұрын
@@shaneboxhall1614 what you thought is wrong
@shaneboxhall1614
6 ай бұрын
@@MaximusofAthens so vegans don't use health for a reason to be vegan?
@shaneboxhall1614
6 ай бұрын
@@MaximusofAthens o I meant pollution
@MarzPruner
6 ай бұрын
There has never been an argument made by carnists that wasn't terrible, immature,cruel, or fallacious.
@bbybeatboxx
6 ай бұрын
There is no rational, ethical argument to carnism without ignoring immutable truths. Therefore there is no argument. 💚✌️
@Burner_269
6 ай бұрын
@@AzByCxDwEt Are you saying that you honestly believe that there is no “collateral damage”involved with “grass fed cow flesh”?? See, here's the problem: there is always this assumption that “ it's just one cow” which of course it isn't. This over-simplification is somewhat disingenuous and we have seen many people, Shaun Baker(no longer carnivore),for example try and slide that past. For that ”grass fed”cow flesh those animals will still have been fed forage,alfalfa,hay etc,winter feed,which again is a part of those mono crops involving all the heavy machinery for cutting,tedding and bailing and all the pesticides,fertilisers and environmental damage and deaths that involves. All the deaths from the pesticides used on the pastures. The deaths from the pesticides used on the animals themselves. Then the deaths and suffering of the animals killed during the protection of said fodder,all the rats,mice and birds poisoned or trapped. All the animals living inside the cows. There are also the deaths in the pastures of all the rodents,groundhogs,moles, lagomorphs, and other animals that are killed as they burrow,causing hazards and they compete for food. And all the insects that are eaten directly or trodden on along with birds nests and baby rodents. And then the animals killed in "defence"of the cows, coyotes,badgers etc,depending on where they are.Look up cyanide landmines,M-44's. And of the farmed animals themselves. The below estimate is somewhat simplified and does not account for all the potential deaths listed above, nor insects, but is more about demonstrating the ludicrous inefficiency of animal products, and please leave your fundamentalist diatribes aside,the ones about using land we can’t use for crops or the 86% is waste etc and stick to the facts. And one fact that is always overlooked is that we don't need to use all available land on this planet,contrary to popular rhetoric. It takes on average 2.6 acres to feed a cow for a year. Let's take that 2.6 acres and do a comparison with a comparable,in terms of calories and protein,plant crop,soy for example. While it is revolting to reduce a thinking feeling being to numbers it's important to demonstrate the grass fed myth. “In a grass-fed and finished scenario, cattle spend their entire lives on grass. Since their feed is much lower in energy, they are sent to slaughter later - between 18 to 24 months of age.” So an average of 21 months. Going off the most sighted anti-vegan estimate of crop deaths, from Davis 2003, Davis estimates that 7.5 animals are killed per hectare in ruminant pasture,let's include the cow in that to be charitable. Then because it takes 21 months on average to raise to murder weight, 7,5 for a year divided by 12 is 0.625 x 21 months is 13.125,so lets say 13. And that from the same study 15 are killed on land that is used to produce crops. A hectare is the equivalent of 2.47105 acres so lets, just to steel man your position, say it is 17 deaths for 2.6 acres. This is repugnant, but I've seen estimates that one cow equals between 430,000 and 1 million calories,so say 700,000. 6.2 million calories per acre of soybeans, 6.2 million x 2.6 is 16,120,000,see where this is going? 700,000 calories from 2.6 acres or 16,120,000 from 2.6 acres,which is more efficient do you think? Now crop deaths per calories. If someone is eating 1 cow to get 700,000 calories,from 2.6 acres, they are to blame for 13 deaths. 16,120,000 divided by 700,000,for equivalent calories of soy is 23 and the amount of crop deaths per 2.6 acres is 17, and 17 divided by 23 is 0.7 So who is doing less harm,the person who kills 13 animals or the one who kills 0.7? And protein. 2.6 acres are required for one cow Between 50000 and 65000 grams of protein per cow 513,066 grams of protein per acre of soy 513,066 grams of protein per acre of soy x 2.6 is 1333971.6 grams of protein. If we compare gram for gram 1333971.6 divided by 65000 is 20.52264 and 17 divided by 20.52264 is 0.82. Again, who is doing less harm,someone who kills 13 animals or someone who “kills” 0.82 animals? Now, if you do want to get into the insects involved in “food” production and have quite a bit of time for reading and mathematics let me know
@Burner_269
6 ай бұрын
@@AzByCxDwEt OK, so,this all seems good faith, which is rare, there are a lot of time wasters and trolls oozing around the vegan comments sections. We shall see. You will need time,aptitude and patience to even begin to form a vague picture of what is going on due to the huge variables, industry obfuscation and most commonly a dearth of actual data, basically very few people actually care about the harm they are doing,for various reasons. According to a report by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations, approximately 33 percent of cropland worldwide is used to produce feed for animal agriculture and a total of 55% is used for direct human consumption. A third of the world's grain supply and 77-80% of global soy produced is fed to animals. In the United States in 2020, 35% of corn was grown for animal feed, 31% for biofuel and less than 2% for direct human consumption. And again looking at the U.S,there are 257 million acres of total crop land. “What are the top 5 crops grown in the US? Corn, wheat, soybeans, cotton, and hay account for 90% of harvested acreage in the United States.” 90 million acres of corn per year 83.5 million acres of soybeans per year 52 million acres of hay per year 37.2 million acres of wheat 11.3 million acres of cotton. Yep, when it comes to the whole mono crop thing and blaming vegans for it, that 1% of the population, being responsible for it, absolutely ridiculous. And yes, all you have to do is look at the trophic pyramid and immediately the idea of animal products being “efficient” is obviously ludicrous. All of that said, do we have to make drastic changes in our crop production? Absolutely! Again, yes the idea that grass fed flesh is in any way a realistic “solution” for the world is beyond Idieotic and have a very rough breakdown of that if you are interested. What specifically is it that you find objectionable about factory farming? Veganism is based in facts and the philosophical and ethical conclusions are all reached through logical, moral and scientific reasoning. Happy to talk through that with you too. Really?! You are not going to just take the word of some random stranger online as fact!! That's very cynical of you. I do find it interesting, however, that you refer to the deaths of cows raised to be killed as “slaughter” yet label the deaths of field animals as “murder”? Why is that?
@eddiesanchez1899
5 ай бұрын
My argument against veganism is defined by teleology. Essentially, the human body is designed for the consumption of animal protein. The evidence for this being canine teeth, the acidity level of the human stomach being on par with that of other omnivores, the length of the human intestinal tract being that in between that of a carnivore and herbivore, the fact that humans cannot break down cellulose, and the fact that human’s closest relatives in the animal kingdom happen to be opportunistically omnivorous. Chimpanzees are known to hunt and eat small monkeys and use tools in order to do so. If our bodies are designed to perform a function, then doing so is not immoral, it is merely acting in accordance with our nature.
@MarzPruner
5 ай бұрын
@@eddiesanchez1899 Good grief. Stop with the ridiculous teeth argument. Those tiny canines teeth are called canines for their location, not function. Humans cannot tear through raw hide with their teeth, unlike every other natural flesh eater. Humans do not require flesh to get all their nutrients. Humans can digest soluble fiber. The indigestible insoluble fiber provides habitat for beneficial bacteria, which we need. Unlike every other natural flesh eater, humans can get a skew of diseases from eating flesh. Our hands are perfect for picking fruit and cannot be used to grapple animals. There is nothing about our physiology that indicates we are flesh eaters. Flesh eaters rip off chunks of flesh and swallow with virtually zero chewing. That would kill a human. Humans are disgusted by the sight of carcasses, buckets of blood, and slaughterhouse activities, unlike my natural flesh eaters who salivates at the sight of these. Stop with the unnecessary violent lifestyle. You do not have to fund the sadistic enslavement if animals.
@jaydubz1600
6 ай бұрын
“Mr Carbstrong, I fully support you and watched your Amazon documentary” but then proceeds to disagree with everything that Joey stands for and everything the documentary highlighted! FFS 🤦
@someguy2135
6 ай бұрын
I agree. There is no right way to do the wrong thing!
@SmurfieDurfie
5 ай бұрын
I think he just felt attacked and got defensive, but hopefully because of that he will think about it more. He could also shut himself down from veganism because he connects it with a bad feeling, but let's hope not. I don't wanna act like I know how this man feels, it's just guessing from how the man acted.
@StephenPark-ys7ot
3 ай бұрын
He’s entitled to his opinion.
@Somethinghumble
6 ай бұрын
mate just wanted to get on camera is all. he started off with how he has watched Pignorant, but then coughs up every old tired and debunked argument he could think of.
@RadikalAnderWurzel
6 ай бұрын
@Klaus_Nobbyes you can because I did for example. Even tho I'm not example for anyone
@zzzzzz2244
6 ай бұрын
@Klaus_NobbI became vegan after watching under cover film footage of violence abuse torture and the killing of innocent sentient beings 12 yes ago. When we see the truth hear the truth and know the truth we can and do change. When we know better we can be better.
@drycfc
6 ай бұрын
@Klaus_NobbI ate meat everyday then watched half of Dominion and became vegan straight away
@deborahgibson9039
6 ай бұрын
@Klaus_Nobb yes, a person can. I am an exception. I watched "Earthlings" (found on You Tube) and I went vegan immediately.
@garibaldi54
6 ай бұрын
@Klaus_Nobb If its a show of real evidence and facts then they should.
@TiagoSalemaG
6 ай бұрын
Joey, I've been following you for years and I think your outreach has gotten so much more powerful and articulate. Bless you, brother.
@Anon-box
6 ай бұрын
My blood boils. Willful ignorance at its finest. He didn't want to learn. He wanted to try and get one up on you. Vile human being who clearly couldn't give a toss about the animals. I find it so hard to talk to carnists about veganism like this. You have nerves of steel! Thank you for speaking up for the animals :)
@dieradikaleveganerin
6 ай бұрын
One of your best outreaches yet. I like how you made clear that this issue is URGENT and that you held him accountable like this.
@wordsmithmofo
6 ай бұрын
What a weird way to end the interview. He thought he got ya🤦🤣 He just ran away after not winning a single point. He reminded me of little Alan that got bullied in that film love,honour and obey🤣🤣🤣
@HeIsZee
6 ай бұрын
I applaud you for having the tough conversations that needed to be had with someone that overtly supports you. I think he’s close, he’s lulled himself into a comfort zone that you just obliterated, hopefully an eye opener for him he clearly had an emotive reaction which honestly is a good sign. Let’s hope he opens up rather than double down on his stance
@Penguinstudios123
6 ай бұрын
“I’m losing the conversation, so I’ll end it there, and saying ‘think about what I said’ will make it seem like *I* beat YOU!”😂
@StephenPark-ys7ot
3 ай бұрын
He managed to trigger you.
@Penguinstudios123
3 ай бұрын
@@StephenPark-ys7ot not triggered, just pointing out what happened😂
@StephenPark-ys7ot
3 ай бұрын
@@Penguinstudios123 I believe you 🤣.
@Penguinstudios123
3 ай бұрын
@@StephenPark-ys7ot shockingly, it doesn’t make a difference to me if you believe me or not🤪🫶🏻
@Penguinstudios123
3 ай бұрын
@@StephenPark-ys7ot okay steve mate😂 strange strange man
@kaleighandrews7538
6 ай бұрын
There’s never an excuse to hurt animals
@maxmcintyre5068
6 ай бұрын
Feed the meat to people don’t make it abuse
@80slimshadys
6 ай бұрын
@@maxmcintyre5068 Feeding products that come from abusive actions and relationships doesn't make it _not_ a product of abuse. That's just stupid.
@bestbehave
6 ай бұрын
@@maxmcintyre5068 the meat is the product of abuse, Einstein
@pacmanmcgavin7034
6 ай бұрын
It's not abuse for humans or any other living being to eat their species specific diet.@@80slimshadys
@kaleighandrews7538
6 ай бұрын
@@craigbellamy7428 because plants aren’t sentient and can’t feel pain. It’s crazy how you think comparing a plant to animals to justify eating animals is ok . Seriously think on that a moment and see how nonsensical that really is.
@Happyiyad
6 ай бұрын
He saw the document and still didn't feel bad, How can someone have such an evil worldview
@GarudaLegends
6 ай бұрын
Because vegans dont care about wild pigs getting intentionally murdered for their silly vegan meals via crops.
@Lyran7
6 ай бұрын
I dont think he watched it, he had no idea what it was about and later referred to it as "that video", just lying to try and make his moronic non arguments sound a bit more realistic.
@thebionicwoman1762
6 ай бұрын
I Just watched Pignorant… i feel sick… I was scared for you both when you were in the slaughterhouse & even more so when you were in the gas chambers. Even though I had heard about the CO2 & it’s effect on the pigs I am still shocked. My nerves are tingling… I think I will keep seeing those horrific scenes for a long time…& the screams are still ringing in my ears. Very brave of you & Dan… very worrying for Tarion, I’m sure. It’s a sad, sick world we live in. Thank you for doing this to show people the truth & to try and end the horrors of animal abuse & slaughter. ❤️😪
@Anubis424242
6 ай бұрын
The footage in those places was so horrible, it's crazy to me that some people don't immediately want to become vegan and stay that way.
@tanelehala6422
4 ай бұрын
@@Anubis424242 of course they don't, it's not happening to them, it's happening to the species we have been indoctrinated to have no empathy for. 🤷
@CraigStanton-wy6zk
6 ай бұрын
Good to see you back in Manchester with David Ramms, brother.
@tarionp
6 ай бұрын
Ridiculous 😑
@michaelrch
6 ай бұрын
Just on the point of how to feed everyone, I read a study yesterday that showed that the U.K. could more than double the food produced in the U.K. AND free up 60% of farmland (30% of all land) to return to nature. How? End animal ag and grow crops for humans on the land that is currently used for animal feed.
@garibaldi54
6 ай бұрын
Obvious facts 16lbs of crops to produce 1lb of flesh.
@michaelrch
6 ай бұрын
@@garibaldi54 it was actually a study about carbon sequestration. The land freed up would sequester 9 full years of U.K. emissions.
@Lyran7
6 ай бұрын
the relatively tiny UK keeps reducing emissions while China and Indias keep skyrocketing
@garibaldi54
6 ай бұрын
@@Lyran7 You are aware that per capita (I assume you know what that means) China and India create less pollution, and thats even after accounting for the fact that they manufacture all the crap we buy.
@garibaldi54
6 ай бұрын
@@michaelrch Yes every environmental study has shown that apart from having fewer children, going vegan is the #1 thing you can do for the planet, even moreso than ditching your car and not flying.
@Imcarolinek
6 ай бұрын
Omg David Brent, stop with the mental gymnastics and just leave the animals alone!
@Penguinstudios123
6 ай бұрын
He’s speaking like he’s making comments online 😂 how you gonna tell JOEY to spend more time on farms😂
@dealingwiththedarkestsideo5392
6 ай бұрын
Great activism as usual I'm one of the greatest fans of joey Im one of the organizers of anonymous for the voiceless and I'm doing 12-hour solo cubes and I'm usually using mobile phones attached to my laptop but I would like very much to know what kind of camera Joey is using on him to be able to video the meat eater without him noticing
@josiecirigliano9134
6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry not that many people stop by! That is the symptom humans don't feel anything for other's creatures suffering. 💔🗡️👽
@Itsabikepackingworld
6 ай бұрын
What joeys, I would hope award winning documentary , shows is The intelligence and ignorance of sooo many people is astounding!
@pyrokenesis1855
6 ай бұрын
"But pollution bro".... that's a new one.
@lisapilmore6421
6 ай бұрын
Nice work Joey, he is just fooling himself and needs to wake up he obviously didn’t see you in the local slaughter house, he needs to watch that one and see the truth!!💚
@chipsandsoda4373
5 ай бұрын
The sidestepping is almost flawless when someone just cant confront the actual argument against them.
@avrilfarrell8671
6 ай бұрын
What's pollution got to do with anything?
@bbybeatboxx
6 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work Joey, it was great working with you! 💚✌️💪
@Jason-xc6xm
6 ай бұрын
Joey can you let us know when you’re nearby Cambridgeshire again or Leicestershire! 😃
@fieldofreeds8581
6 ай бұрын
Always interesting how the people who experience marginalization (such as people experiencing homelessness, people who don’t have the privilege of being a straight white man, etc.) seem to be the ones who stop to educate themselves, and the idiots who just want to hear themselves talk- like the guy who ran away- often come from a position of privilege amongst other humans as well as the animals. When you experience some form of oppression/ marginalization, you are more open and empathetic to the plights of others. Sad how many people’s privilege blinds them to others’ struggles, when things like eating a plant-based diet are super accessible to them. Shame on them.
@ArcherElvis
6 ай бұрын
Hey hey hey, Im a straight, white priviledged man and I am vegan for life!
@mmhmm9271
6 ай бұрын
You're a racist bigot. Joey himself is a straight white man, as are most of the prominent vegan activists in the Western world. He had a rough upbringing and was a gang member until his mid 20's, and was as marginalized as you can get (imprisoned) when he decided to go vegan. Huge amounts of whites are less privileged than huge amounts of non-whites, so cut out the racist generalisations and learn to assess people according to their own unique circumstances. Shame on you.
@fieldofreeds8581
6 ай бұрын
@@ArcherElvis good on you for being the outlier of your demographic lol
@clarecurtis36
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for everything you do for animals Joey!! I am an animal activist in North Carolina and you are an inspiration to our group🌟
@EntyceTheLyricalVegan
5 ай бұрын
They guy who coined the new excuse "Pollution tho". Ridiculous. This is a perfect example of how people will stop exploiting animals when they want to. This person literally started off saying how he respects Joey, has even watched his documentary and other content and he STILL hasn't rejected the idea that animals are here for him. Really paints into perspective the apathy, greediness and selfishness of this world.
@tanelehala6422
4 ай бұрын
He presented prime examples of whataboutism fallacies.
@Mike-hn7vc
6 ай бұрын
When they say veganism is only for the rich and privileged... Notice who makes excuses and who shows empathy in these videos.
@perkarmblad
5 ай бұрын
Great observation
@zombiecow1909
6 ай бұрын
If that gentleman can actually go to his local farmer to see the operation, does he not make a connection with the animals??? I can't imagine meeting my meat. Vegan forever✌️
@nyonb5217
6 ай бұрын
That guy thought he could impart some so called justifiable belief system and it clearly didn’t go his way… 🫠🫠 It’s true there’s no happy way to kill innocent animals! Good work!
@EvoSporthorses
6 ай бұрын
Love bike man. He got it. Hope he joins our vegan family.
@akkibhal2007
6 ай бұрын
Laughable.. How can you keep patience while talking to people like these? I would have lost the temper😑
@joemontgomery860
6 ай бұрын
I kind of wish Joey would not say “when you buy those products”. It makes animals seem like things rather than beings. I know it might be hard at every turn to say “when you buy dead animal flesh” or “animal secretions,” but …just a thought.
@bestbehave
6 ай бұрын
Oh my god, he really though he'd made a valid point with teh pollution comment My dude, if you don't like pollution stop supporting the most polluting industry on earth
@crotchet1586
6 ай бұрын
Yes, he's deffo a picky eater! 😂
@ValeriaRossellini
6 ай бұрын
Great work as usual, thank you 💗💗
@EntDominion
Ай бұрын
Your "solution" is anything but a solution...
@capucinebellucci3476
6 ай бұрын
Thank you for speaking out against animal abuse✊✊✊✊
@tanelehala6422
4 ай бұрын
"Pollution tho"? 2 wrongs don't make a right.
@bestbehave
6 ай бұрын
Aaaah, local farms. This farm is humane. That farm is faaaar away....
@dt261
6 ай бұрын
We are commodities like pigs because we breathe in pollution tho’. WTF?!
@Lyran7
6 ай бұрын
That's a new one, innit 🙄
@garibaldi54
6 ай бұрын
Isn't that the opposite of the truth, we take in oxygen and breathe out c02.
@Cancellator5000
6 ай бұрын
Well, certainly some people suffer because of that (elevated incidence of severe asthma and stuff), but definitely not at the scale and intensity of the animals and those people have access to medications for free, in the UK at least, that are very effective for their symptoms.
@Lyran7
6 ай бұрын
@@Cancellator5000 our gov made that problem but it doesn't equate to pigs deserving 💀as the 🤡 in the video suggested.
@Lyran7
6 ай бұрын
Gov. made problem, the guy is suggesting pigs deserve what they get because of pollution. You don't get free meds for asthma though. Unless you don't work if that's what you meant.
@Paigevan1
6 ай бұрын
Will there be an option to buy the Pignorant sweat shirt in the future ?
@UtopssAKAPJ
6 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work Joey 💚🌱
@VJania
6 ай бұрын
People talk alot of shit. Its like saying 'as long as Paedos source ensure high welfare and the kids are cared for before they exploit, violate and abuse them........'
@Amanda_downunder
6 ай бұрын
Am feeling very good on raw vegan diet, 2MAD. blessings, ty Joey.
@3ox3
6 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤
@MOOin.thegamercow
6 ай бұрын
Vegan for the animals❤
@JosephCallahan-by1nt
Ай бұрын
Thanks for fighting for the animals Joey!
@jdzeguru
6 ай бұрын
"Pollution though" 😒
@mayhu3282
6 ай бұрын
I'm not a native speaker of English and although I usually understand it very well, I struggled a bit with this one and the CC are very bad. Could somebody help? What's the last sentence the guy says after leaving abruptly towards minute 10.41? It was a bit odd seeing him leave so suddenly.
@kwimms
6 ай бұрын
He said the Earth is flat and NASA is all a lie. Also, meat is murder... something like that.
@suicune2001
6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@pawe9391
6 ай бұрын
Great job Joey!
@ChaseAvior
5 ай бұрын
Ban Slaughter
@IITIANcrisha
6 ай бұрын
Crazy mann
@barrydevonshire9749
6 ай бұрын
What will the students and scouts think when they see this. Maybe they they will ask some scratching questions?
@crazycat6132
6 ай бұрын
Vegans are stopping nothing. I know the cruelty that happens in the food industry. That’s why Compassion in World Farming is going to help you more
@Penguinstudios123
6 ай бұрын
It’s not about helping us, it’s about helping the ANIMALS and that will never happen with “better welfare standards” because the product is their body.
@sn1per196
6 ай бұрын
i dont understand how people watch all the vegan vids and yet not vegan themself
@Marsh_125
6 ай бұрын
He came up to you to get on the camera and tried blowing smoke up your arse, but he felt a bit uncomfortable when you asked if he was vegan😂 what a numpty he was. Brought out some of the most ridiculous excuses
@michaelh.4979
6 ай бұрын
@Vegan4Life_
5 ай бұрын
👏👍
@TheRoarWithin
6 ай бұрын
The guy with the orange rucksack is the reason I have never touched drugs.
@bunningtonhevy
5 ай бұрын
Facepalm
@RobertAyres-yc3iz
6 ай бұрын
Eat veggies become a veggie.
@CDAActivism
6 ай бұрын
1st
@chrystalhope9094
6 ай бұрын
💕💜💕
@shaneboxhall1614
6 ай бұрын
Terrible argument
@sledge6693
6 ай бұрын
The animal rights advocates have yet to prove it's case past emotional appeals & need to prove why it's a 'moral obligation' to not eat meat, rather than it simply being morally virtuous. I believe Human well-being is the basis for morality which includes the rights that are extended & to whom (for thinking being's which can understand those rights, we don't merely extend rights due to sentience or the ability to feel pain/suffer). There is also social contract (which is a categorical distinction).
@Burner_269
6 ай бұрын
Please provide the definitions of moral obligation and moral virtue that you are using. And please explain what you mean by “social contract (which is a categorical distinction)” . I am familiar with the whole “social contract” thing,just not the “categorical distinction” part. When you have clarified these things I am happy to give you my thoughts, a vegan perspective, on your initial statement.
@sledge6693
6 ай бұрын
@@Burner_269 Moral obligations are value judgments made by society I.e. you have the right/choice to consume meat. (It’s not believed to be worthy of restriction/being made illegal). Whereas, a virtue is abstaining from an act altogether due to a personal belief I.e. not eating animal products due to religious ideals, another example would be abstinence from sex before marriage (it essentially makes you look morally virtuous to others). Social contract is the obligation we have to each other in society, we essentially work towards the betterment of civilisation with each other & do not violate this social trust. (If so, we are punished). Animals do not understand this or able to reciprocate as humans are. Moreover, categorical distinctions in social contract means even if say a single person or minority cannot reciprocate (due to mental disorder etc) this does not invalidate this process. I constantly see Vegans like Joey Carbstrong use toddlers, mentally ill or comatose persons as a way out of this & it’s simply a non-starter & quite dishonest.
@Burner_269
6 ай бұрын
@@sledge6693 Interesting that your definition aligns so concisely with your argument, could you please point me in the direction of the literary source that you are going off. I just can't find anything in reference to your description within the philosophical sphere. While I do agree with you that some moral obligations do align with societal and legal obligations that does not automatically mean that all decisions made by the majority of society and the legal authorities,within said society, are moral or by extension moral obligations,or more importantly, to your example, what is morally permissible or not.This is clearly evident, in terms of human social development, when we look back through our history, and in many cases,sadly around the world even today, and ask does appealing to popularity make a society's norms or laws morally just or fair? In philosophy ethical and moral,as concepts,tend to be used Interchangeably with no real distinction between them. However when it comes to use in social and legal terms, ethics are predominantly pre-supposed to be rules imposed externally, decided by others, society i.e.the code of ethics in medicine etc, societal rules, and I refer you back to the questionable egalitarian nature of that concept. Whereas morals are more often recognised as personal philosophical decision-making and through this moral obligation. Though there seems to be a fair disparity between philosophers of the past about the basis for moral obligation,Kant’s Categorical Imperative,seems like a pretty good place to start,though there are huge ethical issues with basic utilitarianism, it is based on the golden rule, "do unto others as you would have done unto to you". Now, you may turn it around on me and say that this plays more to my philosophy and you might be right, but are you going to claim that social contract theory does not have a connection in reciprocity,meaning that you should reciprocate to others how you would like them to treat you (not necessarily how they actually treat you)? In fact it is the foundation, the only difference is that in SCT reciprocation is obligatory for inclusion. Again, it's strange, being quite familiar with this angle taken by many people trying to defend this atrocity and after having a good search I still couldn't find any reference or mention of this “categorical distinctions” thing with regards to the social contract. If I was to be interested in acting uncharitably I would probably suggest that this was yet another dishonest,desperate and contemptible attempt at creating a “loophole” to wriggle through to try to grasp at the vague semblance of moral consistency so lacking in all non vegan arguments. However I'm not going to make that assertion, instead I will ask again for your references to back up your claims.
@sledge6693
6 ай бұрын
@@Burner_269 I am basically centering my arguments in agreement with Matt Dillahunty (Atheist) & you can see his debate with Vegan Gains here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/p2d6sptjfXOkoIo I am using verbatum the same arguments & I have yet to hear a sound rationale against what he claims in this debate i.e. that the Vegan movement has failed in its attempts to convince others that eating meat is in itself immoral. Moreover, while laws are not always in line with societal progression on specific issues this can be a dangerous avenue to venture down as it can justify almost anything i.e. Anti-abortion activists killing doctors. Especially when a whole victim narrative has been built around it essentially demanding extreme action be taken in retaliation. Finally, Vegans aren't really seeking political overturn of laws to institute a ban (Like was the case with the fur industry), it's always shock tactics (Like the anti-abortionist at their rallies with equal emphasis on the victim) & point of sale choices on the part of the consumer, which will be far less impactful, as Vegans only make up 1% of the U.S.population & even Vegatarians only accounting for 4%. Gallup found that half of Americans were familiar with plant-based products, and 4 in 10 had tried them. However, these alternatives have not been met with an increase in Americans’ adoption a vegetarian or vegan diet, as less than 5% of U.S. adults follow either approach. news.gallup.com/poll/510038/identify-vegetarian-vegan.aspx.
@sledge6693
6 ай бұрын
@@Burner_269 I am basically centering my arguments in agreement with Matt Dillahunty (Atheist) & you can see his debate with Vegan Gains here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/p2d6sptjfXOkoIo I am using verbatum the same arguments & I have yet to hear a sound rationale against what he claims in this debate i.e. that the Vegan movement has failed in its attempts to convince others that eating meat is in itself immoral. Moreover, while laws are not always in line with societal progression on specific issues this can be a dangerous avenue to venture down as it can justify almost anything i.e. Anti-abortion activists killing doctors. Especially when a whole victim narrative has been built around it essentially demanding extreme action be taken in retaliation. Finally, Vegans aren't really seeking political overturn of laws to institute a ban (Like was the case with the fur industry), it's always shock tactics (Like the anti-abortionist at their rallies with equal emphasis on the victim) & point of sale choices on the part of the consumer, which will be far less impactful, as Vegans only make up 1% of the U.S.population & even Vegatarians only accounting for 4%. Gallup found that half of Americans were familiar with plant-based products, and 4 in 10 had tried them. However, these alternatives have not been met with an increase in Americans’ adoption a vegetarian or vegan diet, as less than 5% of U.S. adults follow either approach. news.gallup.com/poll/510038/identify-vegetarian-vegan.aspx.
@Мария-н9п7р
6 ай бұрын
What do you think meat eaters lives longer than vegans?
@robindao5
6 ай бұрын
they don't.. look at the adventist study numpty...
@GarudaLegends
6 ай бұрын
@@robindao5 only 13% of Adventists are vegan and all other Adventists live longer than these vegan clowns. The funny thing is Adventists are not the group who live the longest, 🤡
@GarudaLegends
6 ай бұрын
@@robindao5 only 13% of Adventists are vegan and all other Adventists live longer than these vegan clowns. The funny thing is Adventists are not the group who live the longest, 🤡
@Lyran7
6 ай бұрын
But they don't.
@GarudaLegends
6 ай бұрын
@@Lyran7 the oldest ppl to live on earth to supercentenarians are meat eaters and a few vegetarians with ZERO VEGANS. The highest life expectancy eatt eh most meat. It is a fact. Vegans have a horrible life expectancy. This is a confirmed fact with names and ages
@ionvasile6217
6 ай бұрын
!
@davidramms
6 ай бұрын
The man with the means to change right there on the spot with barely any effort fights tooth and nail and makes up some of the most pathetic excuses I've ever heard (pollution tho) The man who has to use the library to access the internet waits and listens patiently, asks interesting questions, and commits to doing more research after the conversation One more example of how self absorbed people are when they don't have any struggle, and how those who are struggling or have struggled in the past tend to be the most understanding and empathetic When you stop obsessing over yourself and think about someone else for a change, going vegan becomes the easiest thing you could ever do for animals
@angelafuller8746
6 ай бұрын
The last man blessed my heart 😭
@menlove251
6 ай бұрын
Excellent insight and profoundly true.
@pacmanmcgavin7034
6 ай бұрын
Why do anything for the animals?
@bestbehave
6 ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 dunno bruh. Empathy, compassion, self respect, not wanting to be a creepy animal abuser? 🤷♂
@pacmanmcgavin7034
6 ай бұрын
I'm not an animal abuser.@@bestbehave
@dodgeball693
6 ай бұрын
You made that young man’s (the one with orange backpack) day by speaking so nicely at the end there! He seemed in need of a little conversation and communion and you took notice.
@Tirel123
6 ай бұрын
No excuse for animal abuse!
@maxmcintyre5068
6 ай бұрын
Vegan complaining at its finest
@GordonPavilion
6 ай бұрын
@@maxmcintyre5068
@Unmasking_Viandalisme
6 ай бұрын
True. One of "my"😺😸prefers raw, minced beef to fried chicken, so I indulge him whenever practicable.👍
@GordonPavilion
6 ай бұрын
@@Unmasking_Viandalisme How do you know if someone isn’t vegan? They’ll leave a stupid comment, proving that they are an animal abuser.
@Unmasking_Viandalisme
6 ай бұрын
@@GordonPavilion😄I should be getting on with my day but there's a beautiful tabby upon my lap. Animal rights!😵💫
@34spiral
6 ай бұрын
was shocked that the first guy was still there at the end 😹
@MrCataTV
6 ай бұрын
This guy convinced me to go vegan 4 years ago. I hope I can catch him in Leeds once to get a photo with him!!
@Anubis424242
6 ай бұрын
I hope you do! Joey's motivating me to sober up as well as remain vegan. I'm new around here, but his podcast is fun to listen to sometimes when I'm at work.
@Itsmelandsteve
6 ай бұрын
He wanted to come over to say hi and then regrets it when he tries to justify not being vegan 🌱
@The40yearoldVegan
6 ай бұрын
“Not how but that they are slaughtered is moral issue” It’s easy to move away from when you look at it from the victims perspective.
@shaneboxhall1614
6 ай бұрын
Animals are stupid and it doesn't matter if they die.
@Serendipity-gj2me
6 ай бұрын
What is the matter with these people? Do they understand the meaning of " I support you?" He supports you then spends the rest of the time arguing with you. Then... When he's cornered her runs away. Typical of hypocritical carnist delusional fools. Love Joey!
@bunningtonhevy
5 ай бұрын
Just wanted to enjoy the feeling of being righteous and on youtube but didnt realise he would be challenged and exposed for being a selfish idiot
@mrMankx
6 ай бұрын
Animal rirgths needed thank joey
@JoAnn_Vegan_USA
6 ай бұрын
Love and respect your work, Joey. ✌️ ☮️ ❤️ 🌎
@Benjay1975
6 ай бұрын
That guy was so full of shit and arrogant, he had no idea what he was talking about. Well done Joey.
@lorraineraven3836
6 ай бұрын
He ran because he run out of excuses to justify animal torture...
@pseudohuman2645
6 ай бұрын
“I think I’ll end the conversation there. Think about what I said.” 😅
@tanyalalonde733
6 ай бұрын
Always love how non-vegans say "you need to spend more time a farms"....I grew up on a farms worked in farms. I don't care what farm you go to it's still an animal prison that ends only one way...no matter how good the farmer thinks they are treating the animals. They all end up on plates or in pet food.
@bbybeatboxx
6 ай бұрын
I have done stacks of vigils and watched all the movies but I know less than someone who shops in Tesco usually. 🤷♂️
@bbybeatboxx
6 ай бұрын
@@Sweeney-nn2hy So if you were an animal you would rather be in a factory farm than in the wild? 🤦♂️
@epicstopmotionracing5365
6 ай бұрын
Great video Mr Carbstrong 🤣😂🤣
@michaelametty8809
6 ай бұрын
When the bloke said "there's a spectrum" did joey say, yeah a brown one? I'm sure he did? Yeah the shitty spectrum😂
@richardwilliams8697
6 ай бұрын
Joey carbstrong, is excellent for speaking up for animals are intelligent, and have feelings, nicer than some people, become a vegan, help save animals lives❤️⚘️🌱
@defendor10
6 ай бұрын
I learn every time from these videos, albeit I am vegan
@NathanBlackberry
6 ай бұрын
Great work Joey💚💚💚🐖🐖🐖🌱🌱🌱
@COLBRAT
6 ай бұрын
That guy was a gronk
@MrDefiance000
6 ай бұрын
Tons and tons of those in Australia.
@veganNat829
6 ай бұрын
What is Chris Packham doing about this, as President of the RSPCA, vegan & advocate of animal welfare. Has he responded to Pignorant?
@bbybeatboxx
6 ай бұрын
@theautisticveganatheistDitto!
@rawintuition
6 ай бұрын
❤
@veronikavalentine9456
6 ай бұрын
A hero for the animals. We will never stop fighting for them.
@markj7612
6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MoistVegan
6 ай бұрын
He also said usually. So he doesn’t always go to this bbc model farm always. Theres no right way to murder
@lilo4784
6 ай бұрын
Dedicated Joey Carbstrong speaker and Tarrion Partridge and camera crew team animal guardians are exceptional at exposing the truth “there is no right way to do the wrong thing” to imprison and rape and murder innocent infants violating their fundamental rights to freedom from exploitation and abuse that guy reminds me of this song from Sucker Punch “some of them want to use you” he is morally reprehensible to think it’s ok to exploit infants
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