Small correction, DJ’s comment about variance is neck relief NOT fret leveling/ neck shaping.
@alittlebitgone
Жыл бұрын
Plus that is not how you spell "preferences". ;)
@daktlas9064
Жыл бұрын
I got my own Marylin (black) 2 weeks ago, and damn this guitar feels incredible to play. Sad Vigier is not very famous outside of France considering the insane quality of their work
@arvetemecha
Жыл бұрын
Well, they are quite well known, were used by late Shawn Lane back in the days, and the amazing Ron Thal among others. They are not cheap for sure, but even not being my style they are great instruments for all the reasons Andre carefully detailed.
@jamesmarkham7489
Жыл бұрын
I can tell you as an upright bass player. People don’t understand what even a “good” bass costs.
@fatsuperfly
Жыл бұрын
Ooof, I can only imagine what an ok upright cost. I'd be broke all the time. Lol
@jamesmarkham7489
Жыл бұрын
@@fatsuperfly new set of strings is $250+
@fatsuperfly
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesmarkham7489 I nearly spat out my drink. Jeez! My condolences. 😂
@lunamatic9775
Жыл бұрын
There are companies that make expensive guitars focused on traditional workmanship and using rarer materials. Then there are companies that strive to innovate and try a different approach. In those cases you can often see their money is spent on research and moving workmanship forward. I don't have a preference for one approach over the other, both have their place, but the number of innovations shown here is really impressive. Love to see the improved video editing, great stuff!
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%. Thanks for noticing the editing :).
@Lwayte
Жыл бұрын
You’re playing sounds great on this guitar. I can tell it inspires you. Those clean tones are beautiful.
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@chrislantz4264
Жыл бұрын
Nice detailed review, thanks. I wonder if the designer may be a Chuck Schuldiner fan considering the stock X2N pickups and body somewhat style reminiscent of a BC Rich Stealth?
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Could be!
@deadinsidemcgee411
Жыл бұрын
This looks nothing like a stealth. I own one, I know.
@Jackpostguitar
Жыл бұрын
The vigier Marilyn’s are exceptional, was really into the Excalibur 7 aswell. Seeing the Marilyn will always remind me of necrophagist though haha. it’s super interesting to see someone play fusion licks on it and the guitar accommodate so well especially with the output of an x2n. Great video Andre.
@aolien2739
Жыл бұрын
When I saw this come up on your guitar posture video I looked everywhere for it 😥 The body shape is the ideal shape for me I didn't know I wanted until I saw it.
@keithsmith9889
Жыл бұрын
But when it comes to ergonomics if you're ever in a store that has a Jackson warrior pick it up I know shred monsters probably not your thing but they are remarkable as far as comfortable and kinda surprising
@dimitriid
Жыл бұрын
On the pricing, you make good points with only a small caveat I would like to mention: to continue your example I can confidently say that there's a veeeery tiny market of Cello players that are amateur. In today's world if you want to learn Cello and grow beyond the beginner phase, again statistically as a kid, you're basically learning to become a professional musician. In contrast I would say that 95% of all guitars sold are for just amateurs and people who are a lot more casual in their approach. Now it's still very informative to hear from the perspective of a professional that does looks into gear but I think the disconnect is because guitar companies are business and know that there's really not that much room for brands like Vigier or above and the real money to be made will always be overwhelmingly on the 1000 USD or less market. This also goes for content by the way so gotta appreciate that *someone* is attempting to look over these types of instrumets so if you're a viewer go do all the youtube things that boost the algorithm.
@dingbatjack1234
Жыл бұрын
VERY good point
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
That's a very good point. Thanks for sharing
@dlmyrs
Жыл бұрын
Awesome review and amazing features. Other makers should take note with their same-old, same-old. I’m pretty awestruck and already found one i want!
@timetoshred2461
Жыл бұрын
I have actually had the white Marilyn around 2012. I had several topics on 7string forum about it. I traded it for 2 USA jacksons ( stupid ) and later on bought myself a black Marilyn which I'll be keeping forever. Possibly looking to get another one this year.
@Sh0n0
9 ай бұрын
Where to buy one? Seems rare and hard to find..
@keithsmith9889
Жыл бұрын
Seeing that thing in the background I was curious about it and it's right up my alley. Just a little disappointed to hear the price.
@jt4843
Жыл бұрын
I am getting a custom Valravn headless multiscale 9-string and I can confidently say, if I didn’t have it custom made, it would be a bad guitar. Sure, there is agile that makes those and there’s legator with similar models, but they’re a complete guess on quality control. So your point about customs really hit home with me
@johnraitt2555
Жыл бұрын
The only time I've ever seen this brand of guitar was on these KZitem videos of this girl who never spoke but she'd shred a lot of solos and do covers of a lot of songs. I think her most well known cover was of a Steve Vai song (I don't remember the song's name) and she did such a good job that Steve himself seen the video and was really impressed by her skills. She stopped uploading years ago but her content is still up. I think her name was Tina S or something like that Edit: Her KZitem channel is Tina S and that Steve Vai song was For the love of God
@felderup
Жыл бұрын
for a mo i thought you meant 2sich. silent blank faced guitar players seem to be a meme or something.
@johnraitt2555
Жыл бұрын
@@felderup I mean, she is pretty silent and blank faced but I'm pretty sure it's not meant to be a meme of some sorts. Just hella focused
@RomainG6409
Жыл бұрын
Tina S stopped posting on line because she was harassed on youtube and I guess didn't want to be mentally hurt ... that's her Beethoven, 3rd movement, Moonlight Sonata cover that made the highest number of views from her videos, 43 millions views so far. That's a shame because she was probably one of the biggest guitar virtuoso on earth. On what I know, she is still in the music business and became a music producer in France.
@joebloggs8636
Жыл бұрын
@@johnraitt2555Nah ...
@p6x2
Жыл бұрын
Hi John; Tina S has ceased to publish her prowess on Vigier Excalibur to pursue other interests. As you, I liked what she did, but she is not longer in this phase.
@crisadriano7412
Жыл бұрын
Please review an Aristides. You've quickly become my favorite guitar youtuber due to your very intelligent and eloquent way of reviewing. Keep up the amazing work, doc!
@gregcissell345
Жыл бұрын
Glitter ✨ it’s a pearl finish.
@lenwhatever4187
5 ай бұрын
I find it interesting how much of the shape of an acoustic guitar is retained and found useful considering how much of it's shape originated from making it sound loud rather than how it sat on the lap. For example the upper surface of the lower bout. How the upper horn from the original fender design has been kept just to balance the guitar (or bass) when using a strap. Now having watched your series on Stranberg and ergonomic guitars, I am realizing there are a lot of compromises in all of these designs. I understand the reasoning behind the fanned frets and intonated frets but I also see the difficulties with them, some you have expressed very well (playing high up the neck) and others that I can just see such as the mechanical difficulties with bridge design and less optimal feel of a trem. I like headless designs but will probably not buy another one unless it is one of the ones that still manages to use normal tuners. I have already "un-tremmed" the bridge of the Steinberger "licenced" copy I have because the pins it rests on have fallen over. I have found the intonation hard to set as well and will probably replace the bridge with another hard bridge/tuner bit I have. It seems that the only thing these guitars really offer, after taking away the fanned frets and headless design is the leg cutout. I guess taking a brand new PRS, Fender, Gibson or whatever and removing a leg cutout might reduce it's resale value...
@The_Lord_Of_Confusion
9 ай бұрын
back in the day I saw a very low def video of a Necrophagist concert where Muhammad had a very cool black guitar... took me years to find out it was a Marilyn and I love the thing, one day I hope I´ll get one
@FortisUrsus
Жыл бұрын
Would love to one day try a Vigier. The personal value of an expensive instrument in my experience comes down to preferences. For me, Suhr just ticks those boxes - traditional oriented instruments with contemporary appointment and very strict manufacturing tolerances. The end result is an instrument that I’ve bonded with really more than any other. Tom Anderson is another great option in that range as well. Great content, appreciate the unbiased thoughts from your reviews, and look forward to your content!
@p6x2
Жыл бұрын
Prince would have owned a Marilyn; he could have had, since the Marilyn existed before and was discontinued after the Excalibur came out. The reissue Marilyn is stunning and is really unique in what it offers.
@Centipede_Solaire
Жыл бұрын
I bought a used Jackson RR1 with an X2N in the bridge position. Sweet cheesus crust that was a HOT pickup. Even in my super shreddy drop C days it was a way too much for me. Swapped it back to the Duncan TB4 that comes with it stock. Im holding onto that X2N for a mod project. At least that's what Im telling myself lol. Anyhow Im still so happy to have found your channel, podcast, and lessons. I LOVE the level of "nerd" you bring to everything. Excellent review, looking forward to the next video whatever that may be. Cheers!
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Ovibos5
Жыл бұрын
My first impression is that of a melted BC Rich with a Kramer Nightswan pickup config.
@deadinsidemcgee411
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t it just the right kind of ugly?
@Benz2112
Жыл бұрын
I saw Stanley Jordan playing a Vigier many years ago, it left a very positive impression for me, considering how his style demands a lot of resonance and durability.
@celsopereiramagalhaesjr3216
Жыл бұрын
Vigier is getting really adventure with the body shapes , eh? Very original guitar . Really great guitars. And you are a good super djent metal player.
@fatsuperfly
Жыл бұрын
Love your vids, I'll check out that newsletter. I do miss the forums from back in the day, could go on n talk shop.
@devonaupurok6920
Жыл бұрын
After watching this video I bought a gv wood and have very much enjoyed it. The neck especially. Thank you so much for covering these interesting guitars.
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it! I loved my gv wood as well when I had one :)
@simonpark843
Жыл бұрын
The secret guitar finally revealed!
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Loved having it for a month or so to try
@guitargeorge04
Жыл бұрын
i love all these guitar reviews, always learning lots from them, very very informative :))
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@johnevered9640
9 ай бұрын
I really didn't expect to like the nect ton eon this as much as I did!!!
@p6x2
Жыл бұрын
Bravo Andre Fludd for being one of the rare KZitemr to publish contents about Vigier guitars!
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
It’s my pleasure. I love this brand
@RomainG6409
Жыл бұрын
There are plenty of luthiers on the market from many countries who are building great guitars (Italian, Danish, English, American, Japanese, Ukrainian ...), and sometimes, even custom shops from big brands 😉 ... but I must admit, that from the 30 guitars+ I own (and the 20 others I had) from many different brands, Gibson, Fender, Sterling, Music Man, Epiphone, Yamaha, Duesenberg, Schecter, Gretsch, D'Angelico and some others, the Vigier Excalibur Indus I own is the only guitar, I bought 15 years ago, that never went to a luthier for a review or any fixing ... never ... in 15 years, the only thing I do is changing the strings regularly ... Vigier is one of these brands, when you buy one of their guitars, it is for a life time. So yes they are expensive, but not so much when you consider that you are going to keep it forever and if you want to sell it back (don't do it 😄), at least on the French market, you won't lose a penny and you may even do a profit ... but out of these technical consideration, they are certainly the easiest guitar to play I ever had.
@mikiegood
Жыл бұрын
That’s a sweet looking and sounding axe. Thank you for the review Dr Fludd.
@brandonjackson5865
Жыл бұрын
Cool a super premium Stealth. BC Rich ain’t making anything premium these days. I like the idea of the interchangeable gauged nuts. The fretboard is gorgeous on that thing, I bet it feels incredible.
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
It absolutely does
@jatna77
Жыл бұрын
Love my Vigier!
@istvankovacs7886
Жыл бұрын
Hey andre great video and I'm glad your channel is growing so well! I remember when you have 1000 or so last year lol. Question about fretboard radius: do you feel the radius has a large effect on how you play? I've tried 12 to 20" radii and honestly don't feel a very large difference, to me the width of the neck is more impactful.
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I think width is 100% more impactful. But with radius I do notice when it’s a big enough difference. So if I play a 12 and then a 20, I feel it right away, and I prefer the flatter. But if I go from 16 to 18 I can’t tell
@elevenAD
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this company!
@EmoKidsRule100
9 ай бұрын
Does DJ no longer work for Vigier? I just contacted him to see about getting new Zero frets. Seemed like he was still a Vigier rep.
@electrikjam7661
Жыл бұрын
About the expensive part... You nailed it man. I know a violinist and she plays a "mid-range" violin in a local orchestra. She paid $20,000 for it. We ARE spoiled, badly. Also, thank you for giving me touring flashbacks! LOL. I had a little baggie of toothpicks and a screwdriver in my road case. People asked all the time what it was for. maybe they thought I did some weird drugs? LOL. I would tell them later it was for strap buttons, because a toothpick can save you LIFE on the road! great video, Andre.
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@guillaumeledique3401
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the informative review! Really enjoyed it.
@AustinBartley
Жыл бұрын
Excellent content Andre! Stoked on watching your channel grow. I’m curious your thoughts on doing a comparison video or in-depth video of Suhr and how that compares to Vigier? A lot of forums online seem to compare those two with a pretty level playing field of preference. I feel a review of Suhr classic or even a standard would be excellent against a vigier Excalibur or other model!
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
I def will have Suhr on the channel by the end of the year. Probably in the last quarter or so.
@absurdV
Жыл бұрын
im actually really interested in vigier, but i couldnt find any easy acces to replacement nuts nad/ or the zero nut fragments ? anybody knows more ?
@yellowdog2181
Жыл бұрын
I was hoping to hear some chugs from you 🤘😁🤘
@gusnwosu928
Жыл бұрын
Damn i got excited when you started chugging 🤘🏾😅
@johnnyxmusic
Жыл бұрын
Do you think having absolutely straight string pull would make a difference? With all of the other features… And the willingness to look a little unconventional, having a head stock that narrows, and brings the tuners in together, would not be that much of a leap. I suppose being a non-tremolo guitar… The straightness of the string pull may be less of an issue.
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
I've found that straight string pull only matters on certain guitars. I've done a ton of crazy tests where, for example, I string the high e string through the D tuner to create horrible string-pull angle. It never had any impact on my Parker or Vigier guitars. Of course, there are many guitars that don't have "perfect" tuning stability, or perfectly cut nuts, and in those cases, straight string pull helps a lot.
@johnnyxmusic
Жыл бұрын
@@andrefludd I really like that they have the interchangeable, pre-cut nuts for different string gauges. That’s very thoughtful. Do you have any thoughts about having a nut glued in place rather than being held in place by string tension? Even, generally speaking… If that “glue“ is just a teeny drop of Titebond. And whatever you do… Don’t use crazy glue. Even the smallest possible amount. Ask me how I know.
@johnnyxmusic
Жыл бұрын
@@andrefludd have you seen that very short-lived Gibson headstock ( I think some people call it snake head…, But I think this is a variation on the snake head with slightly scalloped sides ) that narrows towards the end…With a straight string pulll? It was on a few different models, notably, the Pat Martino model take a little getting used to. The headstock on Mike Dawes’ acoustic guitar, something like that… But a little offset. Anyway, I’m enjoying your channel, as always. I can tell you’re a big fan of lists and features and special sections… It seems that you put as much love and care into your videos as you do into your practicing and playing. I’m looking forward to the day when it all pays off for you and you can do this and make music full-time.
@devonaupurok6920
Жыл бұрын
Oh god… give me a trem (with their locking tuners), obnoxious inlays (like shark fin or some such) and the black color option, and I may just be in heavens
@a.c.merkel5636
Жыл бұрын
looks like it would be comfortable in the horizontal position too. I want to chug on this! HAHAH!
@iAmGhost187
Жыл бұрын
Andre playing death metal when? 👀😁💀
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Oh it’s coming ;)
@TheVengeanceofdefile
Жыл бұрын
Interesting brother 💯💯💯🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿
@dmitryfedoseev7174
Жыл бұрын
Hi Andre, I'm tossing up between this and a double-cut Vigier. Of the two, which do you prefer?
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
I Def prefer the double cut, but it's hard to go wrong with a Vigier guitar. I quickly fell in love with this one as well.
@dmitryfedoseev7174
Жыл бұрын
@@andrefludd Thanks! Have you found the Marilyn to be prone to neck-dive at all?
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
@@dmitryfedoseev7174 Not at all. I've never seen any neck dive on any Vigier guitar.
@nathanrossiter122
9 ай бұрын
how much is this guitar though?
@samseitz9937
Жыл бұрын
Would you consider looking at a framus guitar? I’ve heard great things about them (mainly from Devin Townsend)
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
I’m a HUGE Devin Townsend fan. Strapping young lad and his project. I want to get the super expensive one to try lol. Idk how it will happen
@samseitz9937
Жыл бұрын
@@andrefludd if you have $4,000 to throw around there’s a few in reverb haha. The cheaper one is also there for below half that
@stevenpipes1555
Жыл бұрын
I wouldnt say that guitar players are cheap, i think its far more accurate to say that most people are pretty poor. If i had disposable income i would have some of the most beautiful guitars ever. But im poor so its flea markets, yardsales, and modifications for me! But i still love it all!
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
I don’t mean every single guitar player, but I do see it a lot and it’s not always income related.
@SummerStormRocks
Жыл бұрын
It is not a guitar only for Metal!
@DaveZnoise
Жыл бұрын
If Vigier and Strandberg had a baby...
@transforminggravity15626
Жыл бұрын
💯🎸🤘🤘🤘
@treishtrei
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes. Known these for decades, but expensive and weird....french style
@Shiznitt_
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but.. that guitar hasn’t been seen because it’s ugly.. lol
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
shrugs
@LfunkeyA
Жыл бұрын
yeah, but corny aesthetics so no go.
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
that's cool too
@louiscyfer6944
Жыл бұрын
why do you say that locking tuners would add to the bulk to the headstock design?
@andrefludd
Жыл бұрын
Because I think that if you look at it from behind it would slightly less sleek with locking tuners. A trade off I’d be willing to make, but some others might not
@louiscyfer6944
Жыл бұрын
@@andrefludd the locking tuners i have on most of my guitars are indistinguishable from the regular ones. i do have the locking thumbscrew on 2 guitars, but the rest are self locking, no thumbscrew.
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