The owner of Vinyl Nirvana discusses why a vintage turntable may be right for you. Vinyl Nirvana is know for sales, parts, and restorations of vintage AR and Thorens turntables.
Well put. I especially like that you mentioned passing it on to the next generation - sharing the passion for music and taking care your things too!
@JadeTheWolf1982
6 жыл бұрын
Danny Still I
@pravstar1
4 жыл бұрын
I previously had a linn lp12, bought a td 166 mk 2 as a secondary turntable and was gobsmacked by its performance. I then went nuts, bought a 150mk2 , 160b, 160 super and 125. The 160 super and 125 remained with the linn lp12. I then modded the 160 super and added a modded rega tonearm . This blew away the linn lp12 with akito arm and 125 with rewired sme 3009. Now I only own the thorens 160 super with modifications. Cartridges , i have 3 mm and 3 mc although im using a nagaoka 200 and dynavector 10x as the primary ones with a ortofon blue and dynavector 20a in reserve
@SirLoinofBeef235
5 жыл бұрын
Had the same Thorens and countless others. Really enjoying the discourse, as it returns me to days of being a tech and just having enthusiasm. When my former hi end retailer went down, so unfortunately did the entire dedication to proper display and marketing of audio. Throwaway price points, job over
@timjones2750
8 жыл бұрын
When I bought MK2 at Stereo Lab, they used some kind of test record and what looked like an oscilloscope to set the tone arm weight. They lessened the weight until it showed distortion on the scope, then adjusted the weight just enough until it stopped distorting.
@robertjermantowicz7487
7 жыл бұрын
My main TT at present is a Ariston RD-11S (bought brand-new in 1977 from Audiocom, Old Greenwich, CT) for $270. It still has the original belt (thanks to ArmorAll!) and working fine! I've had different arms and cartridges on it over the years. Presently using a Grace 707 (bought used) and a Denon 103 mc cartridge (bought new from Needle Doctor). Sounds great on both new and used vinyl! My second TT is a Pioneer PLX-1000 with a Denon 103R mc cartridge (bought new). The Pioneer is a direct-drive and sounds excellent. But I still prefer the sound of the 39 year old belt-drive Ariston! (cousin to the Linn Sondek - which I have in storage - awaiting set-up). My advice is to buy a good quality vintage TT on the used market place and spend money saved on a NEW mc cartridge (low-output). And of course a high-quality phono stage!
@stevenmbell
9 жыл бұрын
Dave You are the Man when it comes to great vintage Turntables.I take that Back you are the Man when it comes to Turntables Period.Thank you so much for the Beautiful Turntables you put out.Your Tables are Second to None. The workmanship is also Second to None. If I could sleep with one of your Tables without hurting it I would. Peace My Friend! Steve
@ddarch88
9 жыл бұрын
Thx!
@command8783
4 жыл бұрын
I love these vintage turntables, I do. I myself run a Technics SL-1700 mk1 with a Shure v15 III or classic the M75ED. At the same time, it is important to contribute to business growth of young businesses trying to make new turntables, so as to show companies that the there is a market and demand for high quality and affordable turntables.
@jamesallen5591
6 жыл бұрын
I've been out of vinyl for a long time, and am looking to get back into it. I have reached the point where I was trying to decide between a new or a vintage turntable. I have decided to go vintage but I don't have the knowledge or patience to do it on my one. I am going to find a local shop that sells them, and can help me with any issues/questions I may have.
@timhubbard8895
6 жыл бұрын
Just got the exact same model turntable this week, second hand on Ebay for £170. Undergoing restoration at the moment. Thoroughly enjoying working on it so far. I am getting a new plinth similar to yours, (real wood) soon. Sound and vibration isolation is amazingly good. closing the lid down or knocking the plinth slightly with your finger results in no vibration, skipping or any audible sound whilst playing, due to the excellent floating mechanisms these machines have. I had a slight problem with the right channel dropping out when fully tightening the tonearm coupling, but resolved that easily by using a fine sewing needle to help close up the socket connectors. A bit of simple lateral thinking overcomes most problems. All I really need now is a new belt to make this TT fully serviceable again. £8.They are really simple machines, well built as this fellow says. And you just can't buy build quality like this anymore. Lots of real metal parts etc.. I have been polishing up the platter, which seems to weigh a ton! Old Thorens turntables don't have to be all that expensive. In my opinion they cost peanuts in relation to the enjoyment they will give you back.
@IndyShrew
5 жыл бұрын
Found you! Golden VinylSpin recommendation led me here. I have a Thorens TD 166, will be contacting you in 2019 to plan a restoration. Cheers! IndyShrew
@georgedoughly6344
6 жыл бұрын
I Prefer Buying Vintage Turntables myself! They are made a lot better and last longer. I Love the Vintage Technics Turntables especially. That is a Beautiful Thorens Turntable!
@xray111xxx
8 жыл бұрын
I love the isolation, and the build was allot better with the Tables then. Now it is an afterthought unless you pay big green relative to days past. Wow and Flutter, Tone Arm design was so much nicer.
@andreasleonlandgren3092
5 жыл бұрын
Vincent Chen its true
@67spankadelik
7 жыл бұрын
I agree. I've owned a Music Hall 7.1 for years and have been very happy with it. Especially with an Ortofon 2m BLACK cart. Then I recently picked up a Thorens TD 160 and have been in aw over it. It's stock and practically sounds better than my Music Hall. I'm currently playing it with the cartridge that originally came on the MH which is a Goldring Eroica high output moving coil. It sounds better on the Thorens than one the MH. I found that to be astonishing. Was thinking of upgrading the cart on the MH to a Ortofon Quintet black. It will be going on the Thorens instead. It is actually more exciting playing records on the vintage Thorens. As for the Music Hall, it's like family and I don't plan to sell it. The Thorens is in a vintage tube set up and the Music Hall is in a contemporary set up. Great channel and great information.
@barrymusgrove9900
6 жыл бұрын
when i started the ref table was the Linn Sondek lp 12 i had a rega 3
@richardriley4415
7 жыл бұрын
I have a Music Hall 9.3 and a vintage Kenwood that I purchased new. I use the Music Hall for audiophile records and the Kenwood for most else. It is so much more convenient to use. To really enjoy the audiophile records to there fullest you need a higher end turntable.
@stephendare942
5 жыл бұрын
I have a custom built Rega turntable that I made from every upgrade part available, but I still have a yearning for a linn lp12.
@chrispeterson73
6 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts about the JH Audiolab tone arms? Someone gave me a Thorens TD-150 ab that had been modified to use a JH Audiolab tonearm, but unfortunately the arm is missing a few parts. Just trying to decide what to do with it. Thank you in advance
@SirEggbertfartalot
7 жыл бұрын
1st TT = Pioneer PL12d with A&R P77 mm cartridge purchased 1977 sold in 1982. 2nd TT = AR "Legend" with Ortofon mc cartridge , purchased in 1982 and still my baby. ;0)
@sega62s
5 жыл бұрын
Thx for all these tips, I want to buy a turntable, used , and since there is a lot of em, I was wondering what are the top ten that you can suggest, my Pioneer Pl A25 is ok, but would love something that I can adjust speed since I play music and dont want to retuned my guitar to turntable speed that is a bit too fast....just a bit, so thx for any kind of advice 🍻
@geofbrit59
11 жыл бұрын
I love my early 1960s Rek-O-Kut turntable (K-34H beltdrive). Everything is built to last and if something goes wrong you can fix it. No plastic!
@spotty67
11 ай бұрын
Does anyone know about the Pro Ject Classic? Does it have the spring suspension? Also any opinions on the plinth and arm>?Thanks.
@inthe7thhouse
10 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave. Thanks for the website. I'm considering a vintage turntable upgrade. I love the Pioneer PL-550 and would love a restored model but I also love the discontinued Technics 1200 series dj models. Currently eyeballing the newly released Pioneer PLX-1000. the Technics clone, so they say. Please tell me IYHO, are dj'ing TTs just as great for my living room listening as opposed to the Thorens, MH and others? Thank you. :)
@timjones2750
10 жыл бұрын
I have a Thorens MK2, paid 250 dollars for it in 1984 and a Signet cartridge for 75 dollars from Stereo Lab in Cincinnati. Still works great!
@paulaj2829
4 жыл бұрын
i love my Revolver Black Ash with a Linn Basik LVX Tonearm.. & that is back from the 90s & now i have just fitted a AT-vmn 95e stylus to my Linn K9 cartridge & it is brilliant.. any thoughts from you .. & like your video too.
@kevinstrawser5073
2 жыл бұрын
Just purchased 2 ARXA,can't wait to get them going
@Tnapvrvideo
10 жыл бұрын
"I love the Super, prefer the TD-125s by a hair ... " Might you be able to expound a bit more on the differences between the TD-125, the TD-160, and the TD-165. I am sold on buying one of your vintage Thorens turntables. I would like to better understand these three TT choices including which mates best with SME. Thanks!
@alangross2277
7 жыл бұрын
I have a Technics SL-23 turntable that I bought new in 1976, it still works and sounds awesome. I am shocked at the pricing for new turntables today and somewhat in awe. I would love to hear the difference between my 1976, $150.00 turntable vs the 2016, $2,000.00 turntable, using the same cartridge and being played through the same exact amp and speaker system. I have recently found that there are cheap, affordable, expensive and outrageously expensive cartridges out there and I may delve into a new cartridge to see what all the fuss is about. That said I am happy with the sound quality I am getting from my vintage Technics turntable with a $100 Audio Technica Compass cartridge (which I installed somewhere along the line in the early to mid '80's) being played through my Rotel RA-413 amp and my Polk Audio RT-10 speakers.
@merrirose9411
6 жыл бұрын
Where do you purchase a new cartridge? Have the same turntable and am ready to revisit the 70's Merri
@jogmas12
6 жыл бұрын
Alan Gross i bought my AR turntable new in 1984. I would imagine i would have To spend close To $1000 today To get The same level of sonic capability in modern table.
@j.c.mgomez2515
8 жыл бұрын
Hey! nice vid! my grandparents have a Sony Ps-lx49p, do you (or any one else here) know if this is good enough to start my collection? or will it damage my records, for the record i will of course get a new stylus for it!
@villanuevarodriguez1
8 жыл бұрын
Is it possibly to see some Technics SL10? I have one and is possible to send photo. Have you some interest?
@musicman8270
5 жыл бұрын
Wow. Beautiful table. See what the Project classic is based on.
@topolisketuri5651
3 жыл бұрын
Can sondek deliver excellent sound playing rock music like modern rock foo fighters or QOTSE? Or Black Sabbath?
@Turco949
11 жыл бұрын
I hear you. I ended up getting an Audio Technica AT-LP60 since I am on a budget but later on I will most definitely upgrade as my vinyl collection and addiction gets bigger... =)
@drde4010
6 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Thanks for sharing.
@truthful3777
2 жыл бұрын
The wooden plinth look nice. Do you custom made it?
@petermitchell6348
8 жыл бұрын
I totaly agree. It is a great shame that we have sacrificed quality over convenience. BTW, is that the Itoc arm on the Linn?
@Aintry1
9 жыл бұрын
Just a reminder that, if something goes wrong with your vintage turntable, you might have to replace some parts, not just tweak, lube, and clean the deck. If factory-spec replacement parts aren't available, you'll have to find workable substitutes, perhaps even make the parts from scratch. If you're (very) lucky, you will be spared the above hassle and find a competent repairman within driving distance to fix your stuff for you. But I would count on doing the servicing of your vintage gear yourself. Make sure you have a nice, padded bench and an illuminated magnifier. Some people like fixing things. I'm definitely not one of those guys.
@ddarch88
9 жыл бұрын
Which is why purchasing from Vinyl Nirvana is preferred...the table has been completely restored and I have the largest cache of parts in North America. If you are buying straight off eBay or Craigslist, you are absolutely right...you are at much greater risk for having to perform repairs and find parts. Dave
@Aintry1
9 жыл бұрын
It would be safer still just to buy a new turntable from a local dealer. If something went wrong with a Vinyl Nirvana turntable, I'd have to ship it back to Vinyl Nirvana, if I couldn't fix it myself. Too much of a hassle for me. I've been down that road with Dual turntables. I'm not knocking your business. I'm sure the stuff you sell is very nice. I'm just speaking from experience.
@ddarch88
9 жыл бұрын
Aintry1 Your experience buying elsewhere, not from me. Of course everyone knows that a forty year old turntable could be problematic. From what I've seen of plenty of modern electronics is that they are even MORE problematic.
@ddarch88
9 жыл бұрын
Aintry1 vinylnirvana.com/customer-testimonials/
@highlife0586
9 жыл бұрын
Oh wow a Thorens table. If I remember correctly I believe Thorens had a professional division, and their DJ turntables were the precursors of the Technics SL1200 Mark II. Again I am going from memory here I could be wrong.
@jmbwithcats
6 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, very informative.
@mysteryjesus
9 жыл бұрын
I really want a Thorens.
@beninski707
11 жыл бұрын
I too love vintage tables and as you pointed out, they are built to last. For me though, I prefer Diect Drive Denons with heavy mass as opposed to belt drive with suspended subchassis. I have the DP 60L, DP 1200 and DP 470 and all 3 offer extremely accurate speed stability with incredible wow and flutter specs. In my opinion, belt drive is inferior in that respect but then again, I've never owned a Thorens. I totally agree though that vintage is the way to go. Thanks for posting!
@andreasleonlandgren3092
5 жыл бұрын
I have a 1218 Dual to get the sound of it in a new one i would have to pay ten Times more. And i got for 50 dollars.
@GradyWhite2007
6 жыл бұрын
I had direct drive and belt drive turn tables back in the 60's and 70's. We'd get so wasted listening to music...we never knew the difference!
@TeleVisionSystem
11 жыл бұрын
I wanted to email you because I have a Thorens TD125 MKI adn I need some help, but I don't find the way on youtube to send any PM
@tonyjedioftheforest1364
3 жыл бұрын
Vintage British turntables are the way to go. Linn, Rega, Pink Triangle, Systemdek, Revolver, Heybrook , Michell and Ariston are all outstanding. If you want something more budget then the German Dual 505 series are also very good. I have owned/ still own most of the brands that I have listed and have auditioned the others and you can’t go wrong with any of them.
@EddieJazzFan
7 жыл бұрын
Do you plan on putting any rebuilt DUALs (1229, 1219, 701) on Etsy anytime soon?
@ddarch88
7 жыл бұрын
I stopped selling Duals end of 2015. Too much to go wrong during shipment.
@Kikinahm
11 жыл бұрын
But Music Hall has the Speed Controler. A lot of tables like the Traveler play fast and its audible
@limomangeno
6 жыл бұрын
I bought an AR 1X with a shure cart.m95 from Crazy Eddies back in 1973 for $99 plus tax.i sold in soon i didnt like the manual. I then bought a Pioneer auto matic for like 150 with a cart but it had to much rumble brought it back .Then went out and bought a Technics SL1300 with Shure 100 cart from a audio place on 46 St.for $ 379. I was only making $150 a week lol my wife when nuts.I still have the Technics and an AR plus Pioneer linear .The Techinics is 45 years old new shure cart and works Great.I guess i got my moneys work out of it.
@artmati74
6 жыл бұрын
Is it td 146?
@socksumi
10 жыл бұрын
Three point sprung suspension isolated from plinth, tight tolerance main bearing and rigid platter of decent mass was invented by AR and refined by Linn through a lot of evolutionary stages. But Thorens is a viable alternative that costs a lot less than an Linn LP-12. Before Linn ruled the scene with the help of cultist marketing the Thorens 125 II with SME was the audiophile's reference. And despite all the hype when compared I'll wager the Linn didn't fair any better. Another one for consideration is the original Ariston RD-11 which is a virtual clone of the Linn (actually Linn cloned the Ariston) but much cheaper. Along with Thorens, Heybrook TT-2, Logic DM-101, some of the later Aristons and ARs are good choices as well. The Logic DM-101 is my fave of the bunch but try and find one.
@Sin1st3R8
8 жыл бұрын
Which brand of hi fi consoles has good bass and fantastic speakers? I'm planning on upgrading from my cheap 4 in 1 turntable. I just don't like the way it sounds to be honest. (too trebley) And allot of the bass is cut out of the mix. Should i get some sort of equalizer as well?
@mrtyreus0
8 жыл бұрын
+Sin1st3R8 A new turntable would be a positive change. But so would a new system. I wouldn't go with a console, but rather the best integrated amp and speaker combo you can afford.
@RocknBluesPollution
8 жыл бұрын
+Sin1st3R8 Those 4 in 1 turntables etc will mostly always sound like complete trash. I had one... they're absolute rubbish and soooo not worth the money. Also, most of them destroy your records... so be careful and maybe not use it anymore on records that mean a lot or are worth a bit of money.
@boboutelama5748
8 жыл бұрын
I would go around all in one turntables. The ones I know are awful. Without exception.
@markcovington8159
9 жыл бұрын
Hey David. What is the difference between a vintage turntable & a contemporary turntable? Which one do you usually find that's better?
@classic287
9 жыл бұрын
Pay attention.....
@WhoaNellyJake
9 жыл бұрын
***** SAVAGE
@richardmorgan1588
5 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned many turntables in my life my first real turntable (which I define as a table of decent build quality with at least a magnetic cartridge) was a direct drive Technics which I purchased new in the late 70s. Forgot the model number. It was a semi automatic table. That was the last turntable I bought new! Since then it has always been (with one consequential exception) a Technics direct drive from the 70s or 80s. The one exception was a Sony linear tracker which had already broken down after just a couple years of having it. I currently own a Technics SL QL1 linear which has replaced the Sony and a Technics SL 1200 MKII in rare black color rocking an Ortofon 2M Blue! Both of these Technics Tables are direct drive and are built like a tank as have been all the Technics products I’ve owned! The Thorens TD 160 and TD 166 have been on my radar lately as a third deck! I certainly respect the build quality of these models but I fear they would be priced out of my budget for a third deck. Still, the one pictured here is truly beautiful! I certainly am open to exploring a belt drive table as I hear great things about them!
@prisoneralex2752
9 жыл бұрын
Denon DP62L excellent sound
@careystuart
22 күн бұрын
Had a chance to buy a Thorens TD 125 w/ an SME 3009 type2 arm for $400. My leg is getting so tired from kicking myself in the ass.
@oakcfloyd
11 жыл бұрын
You need to talk about the 160 SUPER!!!...The BEST turntable Thorens ever made!..Hands down!....im looking for another top plate...find me one..thanks!
@mrhoffame
10 жыл бұрын
I think it's a tough question. I think it's like asking if a mint classic car is better than a mint modern day car. I have a new music hall as well as a couple of vintage MCS, Sanyo, and Technics table. I really find it's just different. I do tend to play my vintage talbes more though. There is a certain quality you can't deny from the vintage stuff. Now when it comes to recievers and amps...I am ALL about the vintage baby lol!! It seems from a price point that vintage talbes and receivers are a better buy when you have to stick to a tight budget. I mean a marantz 2270 or 2275 may run you 4-500 for a very nice one. In order to get into a modern day receiver that performs at the 2275 level you are coming out of way more than $400. Same with turntables. You can get a great/awesome vintage MCS 6601 for maybe 60-75 dollars. Where the intro level on a music hall starts you around 350-400 dollars.
@zoxwolf2133
8 жыл бұрын
What is your opinion about new Thorens TTs?
@boboutelama5748
8 жыл бұрын
Thorens has a broad band of products. They sell entry material that is nothing better than any other chinese turntable. But they have/had their refined series with strong and good products. A hifi friend has the recent Thorens TD 160 HD running at home. It's a very reliable and good turntable. But, as always for quality, you will need to pay for that.
@mikepokorny2835
7 жыл бұрын
Purchased a near mint Technics SL-3210 tt. All it needed was a cleaning of it's internals and a re-grease of the anti-skate dial. The turntable cost me around 50€ with shipping. Meanwhile Pro-Ject sells turntables with shitty anti-skate, external speed change (lifting up the platter to switsh the belt from notch to notch) is in my eyes so stupid. The Pro-Ject classic goes for over 900€ on Amazon atm. What justifies this pricetag?
@Turco949
11 жыл бұрын
Are vintage turntables (built in the 60s-80s) are really that much easier to repair than the newer (belt-driven) models?
@ddarch88
11 жыл бұрын
No. But, I think the build quality will ensure the 60-80s stuff is still here in another 40 years...not sure I can say that about a slab of painted mdf.
@fredborg897
8 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, I'm new at this vintage turntable hobby. I have my eye on a Bang & Olufsen 8000 turntable. Looks and plays well. My concern is it's compatibility with a newer Pioneer Elite receiver which I would be using. It played in the store while attached to an early model receiver. Will it play on a new receiver? Can you give me an opinion on the B & O and what you would think a fare price for this vintage table may be. While in the store my eyes caught a glimpse of a vintage Thorens, not sure of the model but I'm going to give it a second look after viewing your video. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Fred
@alm3333
8 жыл бұрын
+Fred Borg The issue with compatibility...Do you have a phono input on your Pioneer Elite receiver? If not, you will only have "line level" inputs which will require an external preamp. I can't give you an opinion on the B&O turntables. I have never used them. I prefer vintage receivers myself. They are built like tanks, and most have TWO phono inputs.
@fredborg897
8 жыл бұрын
+alm3333 Thanks for your reply. The Pioneer receiver manual does show show a rear diagram of the receiver with a section noted as analog stereo audio source inputs/(outputs) x 3. No specific notation for a phono input connection but it does go on to mention "Use for connection to audio sources such as CD players, tape decks, turntables, etc. I have to believe that a turntable will operate from one of these inputs. Would you agree?
@alm3333
8 жыл бұрын
+Fred Borg What specific receiver are you going to use. Any turntable without a built-in preamp is not going to sound right connected to a line level input (CD, tape, SACD). Line level inputs expect a signal around 150mV. A moving magnet phono input expects a signal between around 2.5mV and 10mV. The phono inputs also equalize the sound level, boosting bass by 20dB and rolling off treble by 20dB. The vintage B&O you have your eye on does not have a preamp built in. To make it work with a line level input on a modern, non phono input equipped receiver, you need an external preamp. These cost anywhere from extra cheap, to more than you want to pay.
@fredborg897
8 жыл бұрын
+alm3333 So, are all vintage turntables incompatible with new receivers? Do some of them come equipped with preamps? Any models come to mind? Or am I better off looking for newer compatible model? Any recommendations? Thank you for your sound advice.
@fredborg897
8 жыл бұрын
+alm3333 The specific receiver is a Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH with 110 Watts x 7 Direct Energy Amplification (20Hz - 20kHz, 8 ohms, 0.09% THD - FTC) should be able to power the B&O or not? Sorry for the disjointed conversation.
@frankfavale3872
6 жыл бұрын
where can I find your website.
@jimeerey
10 жыл бұрын
old school VS new school. That is a tough question to answer because it is all subjective.
@frankgeeraerts6243
6 жыл бұрын
Subjective is your reality ! Besides an Ar or a vintage Thorens TT are better quality made with better materials than many modern TT. And that is NOT subjective . I am convinced you never listened to a good working and correct set up TD160 super , the same quality costs now several thousand dollars ....... Nothing worse than believing instead of experience the real thing .
@RadicalShiba1917
11 жыл бұрын
Any suggestions for a 14 year old just getting into vinyl? I like rock in general, if music taste makes a difference.
@aldiakaroofus
7 жыл бұрын
Whatever you do, stay away from Crosley! I suggest a middle range vintage turntable made by good brands of the time like Technics, Pioneer, Yamaha, Sansui, Toshiba, Dual etc.
@TD402dd
6 жыл бұрын
There is a difference from the earlier TTs and new ones. The motors of those vintage turntables last longer than those today, and most didn't use the wall wart for power. However, be careful you don't buy one on EBAY that is European 230v two round prong plugs.
@adanreinaldogarcesgallardo6639
7 жыл бұрын
I Liked Vintage (Temuco, CHILE 2017)
@dronepunkfpv1424
6 жыл бұрын
I’ll stick with my TD125 mk2 😜
@Zappo32
11 жыл бұрын
I have two turntables; one "new", an automatic audio-technica made in 2009 and one vintage, a Technics SL-1200MK2 from 1979. I can honestly say that the old one works better.
@TheFibtastic
8 жыл бұрын
Your contemporary turntable selection is hardly representative of what you can buy now. I collect vintage and modern decks and there are fine examples of each if you're willing to put your blinders away.
@ddarch88
8 жыл бұрын
+John Fiebke Completely agree, but find that in the price range of $500 to $1500, there is much more value (early 70's German/US machining) in the vintage Thorens and ARs. Once you get over the $1500 range, I agree there are "fine" examples.
@VIDSTORAGE
9 жыл бұрын
VPI tables are great but you will pay a pretty big price but if a person has the money,why not..
@beninski707
12 жыл бұрын
That is a gorgeous table. I've never owned one but have always wondered about them. I'm a big fan of Denon as I Have the 1978 DP 1200 and 1980 DP 60L These are both direct drive with fantastic WOW and Flutter Specs, no suspended subchasis but HEAVY to help curb vibration. You are so right when you say that, taken care of, they will outlive us all. Companies today just can't afford to make tables like the ones from the early 80's and sell them at a price the public can afford. Great post!!
@ddarch88
11 жыл бұрын
I love the Super, prefer the TD-125s by a hair, but it's a great table. Email me at the site...I can help with the plate.
@TD402dd
5 жыл бұрын
The answer is more simple than you're saying. Good old turntable is no different than a good new turntable. Be happy with what you can afford.
@rbruce63
7 жыл бұрын
And I want a Dual 1919 or a 1229!
@joshg5244
6 жыл бұрын
Robert Bruce Robert, I probably shouldn't tell you this but I picked up a perfectly functioning and complete 1229 at the local thrift store for.....wait for it...$3. That's right 3 bucks. I wouldn't sell it for 300. Just saying, shop and keep your eyes open.
@joshg5244
6 жыл бұрын
But to be fair, it's some small compensation for selling a Fischer 500 at a garage sale for 20. They're 750.00 on eBay. Yin and yang right?
@dtv266
6 жыл бұрын
What every table should be. A resto mod.
@Rob-lz5iz
6 жыл бұрын
Wow, over 4 minutes of staring at one turntable and listening to someone talk - I was expecting a video. Vintage turntables lack one feature that myself and many other need - USB out so that I can digitize my vinyl and listen to it whenever I want. Sitting in my living room and listening on the TT and stereo setup is my favorite thing, but I don't want to give up my music because I am not in my living room. Unlike a lot of 'all or nothing' vinyl snobs, I like vinyl, but I also download from Itunes, listen to pandora, rip songs from CDs.
@Rob-lz5iz
6 жыл бұрын
Marten Dekker I am open to other option to allow me to listen to my vinyl collection on my portable device. Do you know of any?
@QJMalecki
6 жыл бұрын
Some preamps have a USB output, allowing for computer connection and digitization. I haven't tried it, but the music hall pa2.2 is one example.
@StopMoColorado
6 жыл бұрын
Catsmasher Jones - All you need is a phono pre-amp and a D/A Converter/USB interface, like an M-Audio product, or a Focusrite Scarlett. Then you can focus on setting up a quality TT without compromising just to get a USB out.
@19seventy97
6 жыл бұрын
Record onto cassettes and get a walkman or a portable tape player. Its what i did.
@georgepoulios9451
8 жыл бұрын
What about Pro-ject ?
@zoxwolf2133
8 жыл бұрын
+George POULIOS Pro-Ject is awesome. i have RPM 5 Ver. 0 with 9c tonearm. 10 out of 10 IMHO.
@zoxwolf2133
8 жыл бұрын
+George POULIOS Pro-Ject is awesome. i have RPM 5 Ver. 0 with 9c tonearm. 10 out of 10 IMHO.
@boboutelama5748
8 жыл бұрын
Pro-Ject is a famous eastern europe brand. They are offering better and more serious starter packages than some other constants in the entry hifi and they are able, if you pay the price, to offer the tank qualities you know and like from the ex communists states. But, specially in the high-end entry class, there are strong contestants that are as good or better (depending of your subjective appealing).
@guitarfoundry
6 жыл бұрын
I have my Father's Thorens TD 160 with an ADC arm and Ortofon Quintet blue MC cart and a Michel Gyrodec with Techno arm and Benz Glider MC cart (a much higher spec machine on paper)...The Michel is a better deck, but the Thorens is not humiliated in any way...I actually prefer the Thorens for some music. Both are vastly superior to the Linn LP12. A fully upgraded LP 12 is no better than a lightly modded TD160 (damping mostly)..I know this to be true, because I've had one...The most over rated crap i've ever owned, but i sold it for a profit, such is the hype.
@theotherhouse5910
8 жыл бұрын
pro-ject sounds awesome with klipsch belles.....
@boboutelama5748
8 жыл бұрын
Klipsch belles sounds awesome in some room and in other they don't. We are missing the point.
@wobble1959
9 жыл бұрын
Hi your preaching to the converted here, i have sold 100's of turntables on Ebay. I actually found a Denon DP1200 on my front yard years ago and an sold it on Ebay , ever since i have been buying and selling whatever i can get my hands on. Just about all need some sort of work (The more features on the turntable ,the more work involved). When i list them on Ebay i also take a short movie and make a link on my Ebay listing to it. (I will get a extra 30-40% money that way) Have a look at Wobble1959 on KZitem and you will see what i mean.The reason i'm writing this is that of all the mid price turntables i sold there is only one that has stood out, and that is a Thorens TD160 or TD165 or Td166 , they just sound great for the money and are so simple to work on . I miss them every time i sell them
@canigetanyofyoucuntsadrink8043
6 жыл бұрын
I prefer buying modern myself as I have had very bad luck with vintage gear.
@jogmas12
6 жыл бұрын
Ezra Edison vintage gear not for everyone. Most modern turntables are pretty much plug and play and user friendly. My AR out of The box when i bought It new in 1984 required some set up; the springs, tone arm, cartridge, leveling etc.... In addition to The improved modifications we want To make To them they are just joy To own And listen To.
@ddarch88
6 жыл бұрын
166mkii
@viktor4860
5 жыл бұрын
Modern Manufacturing is purely cost driven with OEMs outsourcing and forcing all suppliers to rock bottom pricing. This results in cutting corners wherever possible and ultimately inferior products. Just look at the reliability of 99% of the consumer products out there today. This was not the case in the past, just open up an old Thorens and tell me they were saving on the bill of materials ! For companies who try to maintain the high level of quality, means their products basically cost an arm, a leg and both your nuts. So a well kept vintage deck is by far the better choice than 99% of modern products out there.
@artureff3046
6 жыл бұрын
indifrent choosing Sondek 12
@Zockopa
Жыл бұрын
Well,this video was made when "vinyl" just became mainstream again and its shaming how little was done in the past decade to highten quality and comfort in actual produced turntables during the past decade. Producers still opt for the make believe advertisement instead of offering solid products especialy in the market braket where most turntables are sold,meaning upper consumer to middle class.
@ddarch88
11 жыл бұрын
Google "vinyl nirvana"
@borgred
5 жыл бұрын
my table has no belt and is better than any belt driven for sure in my opinion
@purplesabbath9057
5 жыл бұрын
borgred Agreed. Direct drive is the best.
@jogmas12
4 жыл бұрын
Purple Sabbath I disagree. Belt drive or direct makes no difference unless you’re a DJ in that case you would want a fast start up to the proper speed which is what direct drive offers. What it really comes down to is if a turntable can deliver low wow and flutter and rumble and have low acoustic feedback whether it be direct or belt. Here’s a video on turntable design: kzitem.info/news/bejne/sIWip6mXbKZzhqw
@nylonic55yorkshire22
5 жыл бұрын
This fellow is talking a lot of sense. If you are concerned with absolutely sound quality , then yes, you wont get the level of sound quality that these sort of turntables can proved from a technics direct drive disco turntable, however, turntable design does have different approaches, solutions to problems, the suspended sub chassis is one, but make no mistake, the Rega Planar turntables are a massive force to be reckoned with, different solutions to different problems. AR turntables tended to be too bouncy, so many suspended chassis turntables did, they bounced all over the place, do your research and listen
@boboutelama5748
8 жыл бұрын
Allow me to have a word there. You have excellent vintage turntables and you have shitty vintage turntables, as you have excellent new turntables and shitty new turntables. A strong point of the older ones is that they came from a period, where it was easy and cheap to make good mechanical technology. So, if you buy used, you should be able to make very good bargains. BUT... be aware of the fuckfaces and other sons of whores who are selling junk to horrendous prices. And, always have before your eyes that not everything that was build in those times where that good. You had entry products too, and they had their flaws too. The problem with the actual turntables, is that we aren't in the era of good and solid mechanic anmyore. So, if you want those qualities back ; the adventures will become exteremely costly. Example : I bought a Sota Sapphire in a local shop, with tonarm and cartidge for 650 bucks, used, but revised and refreshed to new standard. At the other side, I could get the same turntable from Sota, brand new, for 3'000 bucks. Add a 750$ tonarm and a 800$ cartidge and would have the same sound quality. So, as you can see, major differences there in price. But, in a broader aspect, often, in performance too. Because, in the seventies, every turntable manufacturers tried to make turntables with low wow and flutter for beeing able to pass under the magical 0.075% of wow and flutter (that was considered in those times to "be a thing"). An actual Rega RP3 is going up to 1.13% of wow and flutter, some highly regarded (and expensive) pro-jects are running at 1.3% of wow. And I didn't even mentionned the rumble and the noisefloor. That was a concern in the old times, but is generally forgotten in the actual hifi era. So buying vintage is not a bad thing. But be aware of the prices you want, be aware that a refresh/repair will be at some costs. So pay more for refurbished material and pay less for old stuff that will need a servicing in some time.
@ian-jg9pv
7 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@vladnickul
7 жыл бұрын
A good turntable stays the same for ever. not every "vintage" ones are good. Crapy products are made since..for ever. If you buy a old belt-driven turntable chances are you must purchase a new belt(+1usd), you must have in consideration that electornic parts sometimes go bad overtime, so turntables with automatic functions, direct drives must be tested if you dont wanna take a chance.. Stay away from turntables with build in preamps/amps/correctors. or DJ style ones and DJ preamps Nice turntables are made even one but don't expect to find them in your local big-box shop, quality products are not cheep not then not now. Don't even listen to the "audiofile" guys, they like to brag a lot, you don't need to invest 10K in equipment. a decent 200usd one will do fine with a new stylus(even less sometimes), offcourse a more expensive ones are better but not that much, you can find a preamp or a amp with a phono input for around 200usd(decent) the rest put it in the speakers ;). With 1000usd you will have a nice hi-fi setup capable of 95% of the quality of a Hi-End-more-money-then-sense-audiofile-mpingo-plated-one. :) If you wanna invest more by all means do it! design. exotic woods materials they are all nice, but educate yourselfand your ears a little before buying a 10k amp just on the word of the guy saleing it.
@MartinSBrown-tp9ji
4 жыл бұрын
The knowledge, quality, workmanship and creativity all died in the 20 th century. Every thing now looks the same as everything else and even the cars have the jelly bean look alike. What happen to creativity and imagination?
@indieworks
3 жыл бұрын
certainly agree with your first 3 just look at the quality of the reviews in hi-fi mags now and then as an example of the lack of knowledge. How many quality items have you bought today to find imperfections in the build or finish quality? Most vintage Thorens decks manufactured when the term "built in obsolescence" had not been coined could hold there own against any mass produced modern deck.
@sloebone7399
6 жыл бұрын
Not the most visually interesting video I've even seen.
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