The James Horner score for this movie is one of the best ever.
@trevorbrown6654
2 жыл бұрын
Strangely enough I find good model work doesn't date as obviously as CGI does. The practical effects in this film are 40 years old and probably some of the best visual effects ever made. ILM were really at the top of their game here.
@Greg-lo1tl
Жыл бұрын
Heck yeah. All the ship scenes in (for example) Close Encounters look real because they were composited real objects, i.e. models. Still incredible today.
@Rigel_Chiokis
3 ай бұрын
And yet, the shots shown here clearly show their age in terms of the mismatched lighting and the obvious matte lines in the compositing. Problems that CGI does not suffer from. However, practical and CGI are tools. Give those tools to experienced people, with a large enough budget and enough time and they will produce good results. Hire less experienced people, or do not give them enough money or time and your effects will look terrible. Even ILM could not make this movie look good if they had been given half the budget and were asked to finish it in 6 weeks. For every good example of practical effects there are a hundred really bad examples. The same goes for CGI effects.
@mem1701movies
3 ай бұрын
ILM sucked on the prequels. But ZOIC did a fantastic job on the reimagined BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. Most of the shots look real.
@xBINARYGODx
Ай бұрын
@@Rigel_Chiokis those minor problems can and were cleanup, easily too.
@xBINARYGODx
Ай бұрын
@@mem1701movies ILM is not the blame for Lucas wanting everything to be digital
@ludeman
4 жыл бұрын
Physical models is why this movie still holds up well.
@Greg-lo1tl
Жыл бұрын
That music is gorgeous even now.
@biggles258
Ай бұрын
One of my favourite soundtracks
@ericwilliams9440
Ай бұрын
RIP composer James Horner. One of his best.
@reessoft9416
28 күн бұрын
it's a great score, but horner kept reusing the same theme. The music first showed up in battle beyond the stars. It would later be recycled for other films, and one of his themes for st3 turned up in aliens and commando, with slight modifications.
@zeroplacestv
Ай бұрын
As an ultra-avid Star Trek fan, particularly Star Trek II, I have never seen this featurette. Thanks for posting this. THE best Star Trek film to date.
@EVAUnit4A
Ай бұрын
This was on the Collector's Edition DVD features in 2002.
@chrisridenhour
4 жыл бұрын
The Nebula effects still hold up to this day
@hosswindu166
4 жыл бұрын
I feel that they were, and continue to be, the gold standard for nebula effects.
@dennissoppitt2267
5 жыл бұрын
I'll tell you, compared to U.S.S. Enterprise refit J.J.'s Enterprise doesn't even come close . Even after all these years, the 1701 refit ship is still my favourite.Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Kahn, what a classic!
@JHC_76
Ай бұрын
Yeah totally agree. I hated the JJ.s. Enterprise didn’t look right.
@gingerladyaubern
3 жыл бұрын
The 'Wrath of Khan' in my opinion, is the best of all the Star Trek films, best models and uniforms; the music from start to finish is just amazing too. I never tire of watching this film.
@quigonkenny
Жыл бұрын
Not just the best of the Star Trek films ever, but one of the best science fiction movies ever.
@emendez3809
5 жыл бұрын
Music was another touch to the movie...
@jameshisself9324
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing that these difficult and expensive effects hold up so well over time, and yet even the latest CGI is obvious to the eye. This truly was the renaissance period of sci fi moving making.
@andrewlutes2048
Ай бұрын
That nebula is one of my favorite things in the movie.
@marileestetson737
5 жыл бұрын
Remains the best of the TOS films.
@DavidJones-wr3sb
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you on that
@markholohan4446
2 жыл бұрын
The best of ALL the Star Trek films, period.
@Greg-lo1tl
Жыл бұрын
@@markholohan4446 Agreed.
@canuck_gamer3359
2 ай бұрын
Growing up in the 1980's, I was always a special kind of Star Trek fan and was known because my phone number ended in 1701 lol. Ah the good old days!
@vernonlemoignan1392
Ай бұрын
There is a video out there about ILM doing the first season of the mandalorian ship effects using models like in the old days. The workers there would crowd around and watch how it used to be done like they were watching an archeological dig, as for many it was skills and methods already long forgotten at ILM. The realism and depth of the effects ILM was creating in the 80’s were peak artistry of analog methods before digital took over.
@BubblegumCrash332
8 ай бұрын
What a resume. After i finished working on The Empire Strikes Back i went on to work on The Wrath of Khan. No biggie lol
@brushfuse
4 ай бұрын
Infinitely better than anything CGI comes up with. This work has so much depth.
@cptrobby5700
Ай бұрын
I so dislike 90% of the cgi in movies of today
@scottishdude9682
Ай бұрын
I think you letting nostalgia cloud your judgement. The CGI now days is amazing and if used correctly can’t be told between the real thing.
@brushfuse
Ай бұрын
@@scottishdude9682 Sorry to say, but no. I have seen such flat CGI, particularly in Star Trek. I remember watching the New Enterprise in 8 on the Big Screen enter Warp. It was embarrassing how poorly they pulled it off. Models work because they are 3D, 3D software can look, frankly, comical in my opinion. I see it a mile off.
@Scorchy666
Ай бұрын
@@scottishdude9682 Its SO overused. Now studios are relying upon it instead of building sets. Nothing looks authentic in film anymore. I think that's what's killing the superhero genre in movies. Everything, even a basic conversational scene, feels "digitally tampered with."
@Scorchy666
Ай бұрын
Its why I basically stopped going to movies. Everything looks digitally fixed and created on a Mac. That's not reflecting life or the human experience.
@davidleesfunandamazingvide2759
2 жыл бұрын
The idea of the Reliant being upside down was also what happened in the sixties with the original Enterprise
@quacksackerthegreatstarfir6996
Ай бұрын
The best of all the Trek films and one of the greatest science fiction films ever....
@rays7437
5 жыл бұрын
The music for this movie is the best!
@hosswindu166
4 жыл бұрын
Especially considering the score was James Horner's first for a major motion picture. He knocked it out of the park.
Interesting how they didn't mention the destruction of the Reliant. The camera they used to film that scene ran at such a high frame rate that if film jammed in the camera, it would literally blow up. The Reliant's destruction and the imploding house in "Poltergeist" were both shot with that camera, and they ended up being the most dangerous effects shots ILM ever attempted.
@jesseslack2089
2 жыл бұрын
I love how they got Dykstra to do the effects of part 2 and it shows the power that is ILM!
@cubdukat
2 ай бұрын
They didn't. They simply reused footage from the first movie, specifically stuff that Dykstra didn't work on. Dykstra was persona non grata at ILM for at least a couple of decades, especially right around then. Ken Ralston was the VFX supervisor.
@shloomyshloms
2 жыл бұрын
10:10 I get so tired of producers thinking the audience are morons.
@scifiguy26
18 күн бұрын
Agreed 👍 but some are morons I have a friend who couldn't tell the difference between the TOS & the Refit Enterprise he said they looked the same to him 🤷🏾♂️
@xtraspecialmango
5 жыл бұрын
5:34 - I've never noticed it before... But Spock's science station seems to go offline as soon as they enter the Mutara Nebula.
@theotherdave8013
5 жыл бұрын
I believe, while CG is very impressive, and its becoming easier and easier to do, we miss something compared to the older way of making physical models.
@flexydex8754
4 жыл бұрын
idiotic statement
@theotherdave8013
4 жыл бұрын
@@flexydex8754 yes, yours is. Dont worry though, we wont hold it against you. Silly little troll.
@flexydex8754
4 жыл бұрын
@infoPeace infoPiece u are projecting, and it seems u cant read either. never offered my opinion. OP stated "and its becoming easier and easier to do", again an idiotic statement, cg always requires a lot of work and is never simple. Demonstrably true, not an opinion.
@flexydex8754
4 жыл бұрын
@@theotherdave8013 stating the obvious does not make one a troll, another idiotic statement from u
@markpardoe7002
2 жыл бұрын
Watched this film for the 50th time last week. Still love it.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe I am just WEIRD, but I had ABSOLUTELY NO TROUBLE -- even when I first saw this movie in 1982 {at the age of 21} -- differentiating the USS Enterprise from the USS Reliant.
@Bunz685
Ай бұрын
I have a hot take. TMPs effects are a good bit better than these. But considering they had such a low budget. They made this movie my favorite sci-fi movie ever.
@scifiguy26
18 күн бұрын
Agreed TMP effects were far superior in my opinion Enterprise never look better 👍
@purefoldnz3070
Жыл бұрын
because you are shooting with models that have weight and mass they feel more believable than a bunch of pixels with CGI
@kthx1138
5 жыл бұрын
As good as the FX in the Motion Picture are, they were also expensive and slow moving, plodded on forever, which of course was not the fault of the FX artists but the fault of the director and editor. In Trek II, the FX are equally high-quality and also move along at a much faster, more efficient pace to tell the story more economically.
@manricobianchini5276
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. This one and Star Trek the Voyage Home.
@UD503J
21 күн бұрын
1:02 I love how Ed Catmull (a co-founder of Pixar, btw) is just generally credited as 'computer graphics'. The man who invented so many techniques used in not just computer graphics and animation, but gaming as well.
@DJMarkCorneliusThaDon
21 күн бұрын
Released on June 4, 1982.
@TimtheEnchanterOfYoutube
5 жыл бұрын
Ed Catmull back when he was doing visual effects! He was so unknown at the time, they even spelled his name wrong! This is beautiful.
@AlanCanon2222
4 жыл бұрын
I think I remember Ken Ralston or Nicholas Meyer saying that, although they personally operated the parent Ceti eel in the eel tank scene, the scene to this day gives them a jump scare every time.
@sgtmyers88
4 жыл бұрын
And the VFX looks better than any of the CGI they have spit out nowadays. You cannot duplicate the texture and lighting tricks of physical VFX systems and shooting models. Its also why Seth Macfarlane opted for Physical Models on his new hit show The Orville.
@Radioman-pv5np
4 жыл бұрын
Great video! But seeing this brought back memories of Roger Ebert's review that called the space battles and effects "inept". What a tool.
@Greg-lo1tl
Жыл бұрын
Yep. God rest his misguided soul.
@silvertrek357
Ай бұрын
Timeless and priceless.
@Darryl6636
2 жыл бұрын
One of my all time favourites
@iowa61
6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant again. So very well done. Thank you.
@kellyweingart3692
6 жыл бұрын
sounds like the E.T. theme
@aarongranda7825
5 жыл бұрын
The ass end of the Enterprise, where the hangar deck is, models off of a 17th century caravelle.
@linkinjunior
Ай бұрын
Sweet recommendation, love me some Star Trek
@Rekaert
3 ай бұрын
Well, I still consider it the best example of Starship vs Starship in Trek to this day, so they must have done something right. It also has elements which peaked here, and sadly went backwards imo. The phasers here were my favourite representation of them, and sadly never used again. Here they were screeching pulses of clearly damaging energy that cut into the hull instead of a single pulse or a sustained beam. They felt grittier with far less 'pew-pew' cartoonishness to them. Photons were a great visual, with that hot core surrounded by a softer glow with strobes of energy spinning from it. TNG moved from this to a dull visual that lacked the inner core and the clearly defined strobe effect. And of course here the ships were represented as slower battleships delivering broadsides. Later everything was sped up so that Starships flew around with the agility of fighters and lost a lot of the suspense the slower interactions could generate.
@galberlimacosta388
Ай бұрын
Fascinante Jim!!!!
@navynightranger6517
5 жыл бұрын
Superb
@rsuffridge1
Ай бұрын
Reliant would not have looked nearly as ominous if the nacelles were above the saucer instead of below.
@wrlord
4 жыл бұрын
So much better than the garbage they make now.
@paulcastillo1310
Ай бұрын
This is cool to see now
@bdoakes
Ай бұрын
Star Wars is the best of all time. The Wrath of Khan is the best Scifi movie ever made. I love it.
@Daniel-Strain
Ай бұрын
One of the really impressive things: when they have the lightning flashing in the cloud tank, they need that exact sequence of flashing to hit the ship models that are later green screened on top of the nebula footage. I would like more detail on how they managed that.
@SnipE_mS
3 жыл бұрын
did anyone really have trouble telling the ships apart? i mean seriously??
@kxmode
5 жыл бұрын
Models > CG. The computer can do amazing things but it cannot recreate the tangible physics of real objects.
@kyle8952
5 жыл бұрын
"The tangible physics of real objects"? They're stationary, every movement is an illusion made using computer control cameras.
@peterp2153
4 жыл бұрын
CGI has its place of course and there’s no going back (not the all time greatest example of a cgi film, but there’s a great video montage of cgi from Batman v Superman showing all the layers being added and then the final shot and there are scenes you wouldn’t think - or at least you’d have to think about it for a bit - are 100% CGI. Such as the Batmobile driving through a warehouse before shooting out the 2nd floor onto the street, where everything is cgi. The car, the walls and floor of the building, boxes and other stuff stacked against the walls, etc). But I think more than just CGI vs practical, it’s old movie magic and craftsmanship vs. push out product in an assembly line fashion. I’m thinking there may be a correlation there though. As effects could increasingly be done on computers, we lost the ingenuity and variety of ‘magic’ employed by the old filmmakers. With cgi, it’s one tool that’s used for everything and you run the software. Maybe you get a new technique or modeling/simulation software that comes out that can allow a certain jump in photo realism. But it’s telling that in the old days you had famous names in SFX work, where you knew you were getting the best, most inventive mind to do your effects. Now you get credits for 5,000 anonymous cgi cubicle jocks.
@ericmgarrison
5 жыл бұрын
3:37 The needs of the shots outweigh the needs of the few...or the one.
@OAleathaO
5 жыл бұрын
+Eric G --> The needs of the shots outweigh the cost of the film...or the director.
@zerocapacitance1
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@dobermanpac1064
5 жыл бұрын
The creators of Star Trek were and are light years ahead of any other Sci-Fi Space Movies...Including Lucas
@Khultan
5 жыл бұрын
Bull on YOU.
@brettwilcots8608
4 жыл бұрын
Beat out the Exorcist. Nick a great submarine movie.
@johnload72
5 жыл бұрын
17:10 he was gonna say "mix" then he said "mix"
@U2QuoZepplin
4 жыл бұрын
I’m really not sure what they were thinking with the JJ Trek Enterprise . If it ain’t broke- why fix it! This is my favourite version of the USS Enterprise.
@flexydex8754
4 жыл бұрын
copyright
@stewartmcminn7773
3 жыл бұрын
14:34 breaking up the needs of the shots outweigh the needs of the many
@ernieharris7222
2 ай бұрын
i wonder if there are are going to make a remastered feature film?
@cubdukat
2 ай бұрын
You mean, with enhanced visual effects? Almost definitely not. But after the Director's Cut of the first movie showed up on Paramount Plus, all of the films got new 4K Dolby Vision transfers, even though Paramount didn't use them at firstt. But they don't seem to have any plans to update the visual effects of any of the classic Trek films. not even Star Trek V, which desperately needed it.
@davidlyons9992
5 жыл бұрын
Today, so much fake CGI computer stuff... just doesn't come close to old school modelmaking and creative solutions to film scenes like they did in the 80's. It's so superior and far more life like than the CGI junk today.
@walterszewczyk9024
Ай бұрын
The movie photo still with the two young ladies with him? His daughters? His wives? After Marla McGyvers perishes? Another elephant 🐘 on the bridge of the Reliant, 😂 Lol for me anyways, is ,..... that young man his son that dies at the end, you know the scene were the young man dies in his arms? To which Khan promises to avenge him? Is that his son? Why not, Kirk,s son was introduced in same movie? Anyone know? 😮.Thanks.
@danielkrajnik3817
3 жыл бұрын
1:02 Uh-Oh, that's him!
@scoto3990
4 жыл бұрын
7:46 Galaxy Quest! Whats the name of the ship?
@thestarglider
4 жыл бұрын
The Protector. Specifically the NTE-3120, NSEA-Protector (NTE standing for 'Not The Enterprise').
@Exodus26.13Pi
5 жыл бұрын
Better than NASA CGI.
@Khultan
5 жыл бұрын
How come these worlds visited you hardly ever see creatures only very minimal almost hardly any.
@flexydex8754
4 жыл бұрын
idiot
@Khultan
4 жыл бұрын
@@flexydex8754 Don't do that to yourself.
@ROBBYTOB777
Ай бұрын
I didnt know that Dave Gahan was involved in creating special Effects…..😃
@HOTDOG401
5 жыл бұрын
The most poignant Star Trek film that was ever made in every aspect.
@user-rt9zq8rs9k
Ай бұрын
RIP Industrial Light and Magic .
@reessoft9416
28 күн бұрын
ilm are bigger than ever. They have offices worldwide, and employ more than 1000 people, so i don't know what you're talking about.
@user-rt9zq8rs9k
28 күн бұрын
@@reessoft9416 I thought Disney shut it down . They still make practical effects ?
@user-rt9zq8rs9k
28 күн бұрын
@@reessoft9416 Really ? When's the last time that they did any practical effects ? Practical effects ARE dead there .
@timduggan1461
Ай бұрын
Seeing Michael Okuda working on one of the huge practical models that were built for the close-ups? Makes me jealous. Edit...so many great shots, and other artists involved.
@reessoft9416
28 күн бұрын
that's not okuda. His first trek work was for st4, and he's never been responsible for any model work - he works on the graphical displays usually.
@danbernstein4694
Ай бұрын
NO question that CGI has destroyed special effects.
@Applecompuser
18 күн бұрын
It was the best of the movies. Staring at pure CGi in the theater is not that interesting.
@davidryder3374
5 жыл бұрын
And all that music was totally ripped off for Krull the next year.
@paulwalsh2344
5 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh you're too hard to please ! "Krull" was a fine sci-fi/fantasy romp and a fine score. You want to hear a suspiciously similar score, listen to the "Battle Beyond the Stars" epilogue and end titles. I'm just glad we have so much sci-fi to begin with.
@wadebarnett2542
5 жыл бұрын
James Horner did like to borrow from himself.
@raverdeath100
5 жыл бұрын
Aliens...
@commandingjudgedredd1841
Ай бұрын
The Rocketeer
@outerrealm
2 жыл бұрын
Why would you post a video of this nature and topic in crappy 360p?
@outerrealm
2 жыл бұрын
Where did you get this? Can’t you manage to upload a better quality version? We can’t even read the hand written notes on the storyboards held right up to the camera for f uck’s sake
@manco828
6 жыл бұрын
First!
@jimsmalleimb7709
2 ай бұрын
The fact is, CGI has not made films any better. It's just made people lazier.
@reessoft9416
28 күн бұрын
There's an awful lot of work that goes in to great CGI. You have to model the ships, creatures, etc, and "paint" them (using textures), and light the environment, and animate them, as you would with physical models. There's not some magic button that you can push that does the work for you. Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park wouldn't have been possible without CG (not to the same standard, anyway - take a look at the test footage of stop motion dinos for JP). Watch this featurette, where they use CG for the genesis effect - their early idea of a rock turning into a flower wouldn't have the same impact, would it.
@jimsmalleimb7709
28 күн бұрын
@@reessoft9416 : I'm not disputing any of that. But CGI does mean that "everything can be fixed later" rather than coming up with a solution to be creative at the outset. Most of the challenges are gone when you can just "fix it in the computer" which is a lot easier for the director than doing it right in the first place. Plus, especially nowadays. it's WAY overused. It's almost impossible to find a single shot that hasn't been manipulated in a computer at some point, even the practical stuff, as the image is always digitally enhanced and looks it.
@outerrealm
2 жыл бұрын
This is such a good documentary, yet someone totally f ucked it up so badly by screwing up aspect ratio in various scenes, as well as the horrendously poor resolution. Who f ucked this up and ruined the hard work of a great documentary crew? Mr. xtraspecialmango? You? Are you the idiot?
@commandingjudgedredd1841
Ай бұрын
Relax. Sit down, have a cup of tea, have a biscuit. Your blood pressure is going through the roof.
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