And Native American women, since they were here first!
@dianablackthorn4146
2 жыл бұрын
I think the suffragettes were a British movement though?
@LoreDoesArt
2 жыл бұрын
@@JaneDoe-fz6qc I can not tell if you are joking but if not it is important to note the horrible atrocious the happened to the Native American people. When the colonist started claiming the land we did many bad thing including: giving blanket that were infected with disease to kill them, hunting to kill off nearly all Buffalo (an important animal to the Native American Daily lifes), Kidnapping there children to send them to Residential Schools, and not letting them be able to vote in the country we stole from them. I home this give you an idea that that when Americans was colonist it was all sunshine and rainbows. (For people reading post Jane deleting their comments he was be obtuse on purposes... I try to make sure they knew y Oranjmuse post is important)
@丅otalđIA
2 жыл бұрын
@@JaneDoe-fz6qc delete this comment and pick up a history book
@丅otalđIA
2 жыл бұрын
@@LoreDoesArt preach 🙌
@iuliailiana2443
2 жыл бұрын
Facts
@russergee49
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, this is sadly true. “Equality!…. But just for us!” I remember reading the travel writings of Mary Wollestonecraft, who is generally considered an early feminist icon, and I was struck at how derisively she wrote about the ordinary village women in Norway and Sweden, as if they were beneath her simply because they were not in her “class”.
@MizzKittyBichon
2 жыл бұрын
There's also Margaret Sanger (another feminist icon) who was a hardcore eugenicist specifically towards black people.
@AWindy94
2 жыл бұрын
Wow, so she was straight up talking shit about half of my great grandparents at the time. Cute.
@Purplefrog03
2 жыл бұрын
As a Swedish person this comment kinda made me laugh
@anniek3866
2 жыл бұрын
Fr tho The suffragettes were the same women who were disgusted at the thought of sharing a bathroom witb any women who weren't white
@greensilly5526
2 жыл бұрын
While in our modern feminist view she would be considered not much of a feminist, her writing was a building block to what feminism is today. Not everything is just black and white, so while she said things we would view as “bad” today, she still helped make important steps for women.
@gibberishname
2 жыл бұрын
as a Jew, they only SOMETIMES mean "us"
@SnappyDragon
2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes I had my absolute whitest white lady face on while filming this. Considered working it into the skit, then realized it probably wouldn't have made sense with me on both sides of the conversation
@maxquintillion4123
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately so
@wettaloca2923
2 жыл бұрын
I learned at a young age that being Jewish means that I'm only white sometimes
@mimi_j
2 жыл бұрын
Only when it supports their causes. The same thing goes with black and Latina women
@shellybee9322
2 жыл бұрын
As Black woman who happens to be Jewish. I am only “us” 1/4 of the time.
@denalisparkinglot5091
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly if the year is the 1910's, "their ancestors" is more like their granny. Or mom. Or self
@jturtle5318
2 жыл бұрын
The first enslaved Africans were brought to the Jamestown colony in Virginia in 1619. That would be very old grandmother.
@thetinykid4169
2 жыл бұрын
@@jturtle5318 Slavery still existed after that? It only ended in 1865 and not to mention the fact that those women were still harmed because segregation only ended (legally) in 1964-1968. If it was the 1910s and the person was in their 30s or 40s it is plausible for it to be their grandmother or mom.
@communistsharks6889
2 жыл бұрын
@@thetinykid4169 thé importation of slaves in the us was banned at the turn of the 19th century, but most slaves were born into slavery (as in born in the US). Slavery continued another 67 years at least. But if you’re talking about the exploitation and not the importation, then yes I agree.
@thetinykid4169
2 жыл бұрын
@@communistsharks6889 Yeah I was more talking about the exploitation of the times with their grandmothers/mothers probably actually experiencing slavery and them experiencing segregation and the jim crow era
@melonie_peppers
2 жыл бұрын
@@thetinykid4169 Some slaves were freed as late as the 80s believe it or not. Mostly because they didn't manage to adjust to the new life and chose the devil they knew.
@LadyJoolree
2 жыл бұрын
I still can't get over that black women didn't get the vote in America until the late 1960s-1970s. Absolutely disgusting!
@beepboop9464
2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't just black. It was pretty much every ethnicity that wasn't white. In fact when she says immigrant women that included eastern Europeans who are in fact white. Not to mention they had all sorts of tests for the men to pass to be able to vote that also includes immigrant white men.
@theinvisiblewoman5709
2 жыл бұрын
It’s often fights by brown immigrants that forge rights for ALL people. Even English as a second language programs were fought for by the Chinese originally even though it benefits Latinos the most at this moment. Same for voting rights, black people had to fight to get ALL people of color to have that right, etc. There is a whole history of Black and non white trailblazers for human, social, and economical rights that ended up benefiting everyone. Only the white folks fought for rights only to benefit white people.
@Zach-ol3ck
2 жыл бұрын
I still can't get over she said americans kidnapped black people like africans didn't sell them off 🤦♂️
@ambriaashley3383
2 жыл бұрын
@@theinvisiblewoman5709 We can't forget about the black people who fought for immigration rights as well! Martin Luther King, Jr. fought LBJ for the Immigration Act of 1964, along with the Voting Rights Act of 1964. That inclusion in his bill allowed for immigration rates & caps to increase 💙
@sneke4429
2 жыл бұрын
@@ambriaashley3383 I feel like American history always seem to make poc history mutually exclusive. Black people fought for their rights, immigrants fought for theirs, when in reality, black people fought for immigrant rights and vice versa.
@misskate3815
2 жыл бұрын
Made a museum attendant almost choke on laughing when I told my baby sister that their display was about celebrating one hundred years of WHITE women voting. Canada’s history isn’t much different from anywhere else, 😔.
@misskate3815
2 жыл бұрын
@@shannonlee4622 *yawn* yeah, let me just lie about the history of racism in my province to make racist people feel better about the close knit relationship between white feminists, racism, and eugenics. Let me just mislead my extremely vulnerable sister about the reality of living as a BIPOC in a country founded on white colonialism and genocide. Just so you can feel good about your “votes for women” pins and your pink, poorly crocheted hats made out of ugly acrylic.
@alicialuxxx6088
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Natives didn't get the right to vote until the 60's
@ringolotus
2 жыл бұрын
Ur soooooo brave!!
@chronicallyella1191
2 жыл бұрын
Do white people not deserve the right to vote as any other race? Yeah it took too long for women to get the right to vote in America, Canada and it should have been given to all women at the same time no matter their race or etc. But the way your comment comes across almost sounds as if white women shouldn’t have got the right to vote until after everyone else. I’m from England so ALL women over the age of 30 got to vote, no matter their race.
@misskate3815
2 жыл бұрын
@@chronicallyella1191 wow, you really thought you said something there, eh?
@layalibintmona
2 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend the book "The Agitators", by Dorothy Wickenden, about friends Harriet Tubman, Frances A. Seward, and Martha Coffin Wright, who all strove for both women's rights and abolition. (Going against many prominent suffragettes who were concerned that championing abolitionist causes would distract attention from getting the vote for women.)
@courtneyr6645
2 жыл бұрын
So…votes for some women = bad. No votes for women at all = good?
@charlespentrose7834
2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done, and an important message.
@charlespentrose7834
2 жыл бұрын
@@valerief1231 I see no self hatred. The message is that there were plenty of problematic people in the suffragette movement.
@ambriaashley3383
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. The suffragette movement was only for white women. They pushed black women & poc out of it, despite their many contributions to the cause.
@fruity4820
2 жыл бұрын
Why? This talks about the past, not about the way things are now. And if it is the way things are now, but in a more subtle, less obvious way, why aren't we talking about that?
@rowenrine7947
2 жыл бұрын
A youtube video won't do a thing
@deathnotestrueauthorknight6491
2 жыл бұрын
Actually it's incorrect in many ways. 1.) African slaves were not, "kidnaped" at least not by white ppl.They where sold by other Africans and Arabs in trading markets. Usually for guns or gold. I mean think about it and it makes perfect sense. You journey with what at most 150 other ppl at the very most. They can't take on a native population of hundreds by themselves. Plus they're guns where one shot and a pole vault like weapon is long range and short ranged; so natives had numbers and weapons. So if they took natives and the ppl found out a attack would have been the end. I added arab because they loved selling and buying slaves in fact Muhammad said the best gift you can give is a slave. Also a tribe that conquered another would take slaves and that's what they traded. In fact it's what was argued during the process in court for blacks to be given equal rights. That it was their native custom to have slaves.2.) Black men could vote though their vote was still less back then. So it would make sense that that had to be fixed first. Also if you're so Keen on women's rights then why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and free women there? They're literally treated as less than 2nd citizens. Nope, you're not going to do that cause you don't want to die...and yet you criticize women who where willing to be killed/ tortured for speaking up. Fucking 3rd wave shit lord's.
@niccalee
2 жыл бұрын
My teacher had us do an interesting learning experience. We were supposed to be different groups of women, and it devolved into everyone fighting about voting and who needed attention and liberation first. She said that ideally, everyone gets treated right, but realistically, we humans seems to only be able to take small steps at a time. But we should celebrate those steps and then work on the next one. She also showed us some clips from a movie about the suffragettes. One woman was forcefed and that's scarred into my brain. And there was also a scene that showed a black woman get told she couldn't march with the other suffragettes. But then she did anyway. Anyway, yeah, the early suffragettes weren't perfect. But some of them went through torture fighting for suffrage, and they laid the groundwork for other women in the future. Besides, if the white men in power heard that they would give suffrage to *all* women, they likely would have pushed back even farther and slowed the progress even more. This doesn't feel fair. I could misremember this part, but I think she also told us that once women could vote, they were often bigger proponents for ending slavery because they knew how discrimination sucked.
@pitterpatter4201
2 жыл бұрын
none of that makes it okay, staying silent and oppressing others just bc it MAY be the "easier thing to do" at the time isn't an excuse.
@angelairidescenceartglass6289
Жыл бұрын
Ok - gonna burst a bubble here. Kinda hate to do it ‘cause your overall point is valid, but one of your supporting arguments is just, um, yeah - problematic. I’m assuming (and this may be a mistake) from what you wrote and the movie description that you are talking about women’s suffrage in the US. Women gained the right to vote in the US in 1920. Slavery was officially and legally abolished by the passage of the 13th Amendment in December of 1865. Women’s votes took another 55 years. TECHNICALLY it included all women. REALISTICALLY, the rise of Jim Crow laws and systemic racial discrimination post Reconstruction meant that most black people (men and women) were disenfranchised until the civil rights movement of the 1950’s-1960’s. Slavery had long been over before women had the right to vote. BTW - women got the right to vote in Great Britain in 1918. No slaves could be held on either English or Scottish soil after 1772. Slavery was outlawed in most of the British Empire in 1833/34. The remaining pockets were abolished in 1843. So, not any better there.
@lilowhitney8614
Жыл бұрын
@@pitterpatter4201 Because it's obviously better to stick to noble pure ideals and end up doing nothing rather than strive for more achievable goals that may risk actually causing good in the world, right?
@samiam2088
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they didn’t mean Jewish women either. Our “whiteness” is conditional and back then it didn’t exist.
@KittyCat-ny1lt
2 жыл бұрын
Thats sadly very true
@Milkpastasoup
2 жыл бұрын
and the fact that now, you're told you have 'white privelege' by americans to DIMINISH your peoples suffering. it's as if they believe it's 'deserved' because you're white. they're doing this to anne frank on tiktok. they claim that a child that was killed in a literal genocide (they conveniently leave this peace of information out) doesn't deserve sympathy because of her so called precieved 'white privalege' which btw. SHE DOESN'T HAVE. if she had 'white privelege' she would still be alive, along with the other millions of dead jews. which is bizarre. it's also clearly just antisemitism disguised with a clear pane of glass.
@leandraleo281
2 жыл бұрын
Jewish are considered white? Not poc? Ig I'm learning smtg new
@Costenos
2 жыл бұрын
@@leandraleo281 jews were never poc lol
@leandraleo281
2 жыл бұрын
@@Costenos I didn't know that🫠🥲
@23pael
2 жыл бұрын
My Native American ass:*sips tea aggressively*
@mrdrprof99
2 жыл бұрын
You spelled BOOZE wrong. Go eat some frybread and cry about it. Or you know....you could be productive.
@blueberrywaffles6970
2 жыл бұрын
Someone’s mad their ancestors lost
@23pael
2 жыл бұрын
@@blueberrywaffles6970 um yes the the genocide of the whole American continent makes me mad but we didn’t “lose” Native Americans were forced, raped, killed sent to boarding schools if you don’t know anything about this continents history than don’t say anything.
@23pael
2 жыл бұрын
@@mrdrprof99 Was that supposed to be a racist joke about how native Americans in the US/Canada have the stereotype to drink a lot? Haha your very funny, I suppose your very productive as well replying to KZitem comments.
@ivechang6720
Жыл бұрын
Me: Trying very hard not to chew ice by your side, sister.
@ezioazrael3957
2 жыл бұрын
The Irish were also greatly disrespected and treated like dirt until until recently
@laureal3659
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone was treated as dirt at some point of history tbh
@hippiebippie8870
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, she said immigrant women, that means all immigrant women even those from Ireland
@theinvisiblewoman5709
2 жыл бұрын
The Irish were also slave owners during that time period so please stop and grab a history book. Only poor Irish got it bad and nothing compared to chattel slavery.
@moxrocks
2 жыл бұрын
@@theinvisiblewoman5709 they’re talking about America here. Irish people were seen as second class in America, even if they did own slaves in Ireland.
@theinvisiblewoman5709
2 жыл бұрын
@@moxrocks They owned slaves in the US too and this isn’t information hard to find. Also somewhere around the industrial era the Irish and the rest of the 2nd class white folks simply became white Americans. Asians, Natives, Blacks, and other people weren’t lucky enough to loose an accent and/or change their name to become “equal” in America. Because at some point the wealthy decided it was easier to divide by color than by culture and don’t pretend the swarthy white folks didn’t take advantage of it.
@MattPhonee
2 жыл бұрын
So votes for the WASPs?
@SAM-u3l3f
2 жыл бұрын
Basically Yeah
@MattPhonee
2 жыл бұрын
@@SAM-u3l3f 😂
@makaylaserniotti1474
2 жыл бұрын
Nailed it
@jamplatform3429
2 жыл бұрын
Wasps?
@gabrieldossantossanta5656
2 жыл бұрын
upper class WASPs, the middle that had to work weren´t woman enough for then
@catherinejustcatherine1778
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed! Inclusiveness matters!
@Josie-qn9zp
2 жыл бұрын
Hey so, lets not hate on these pioneers of feminism. If the suffragettes didn't start the movement, no one would have. For their time, they were already radical- this was THE MOST OUTLANDISH thing a woman could do. Just like now (feminism is still evolving and becoming more inclusive, stronger, better) they had a long way to go (so do we. Don't pretend otherwise), but i sure am glad they took those first steps. Many of them died for us. Look at the suffragettes with lenses appropriate to their time, please.
@inert_cartha
2 жыл бұрын
No one's "hating" anybody, it's just criticism. Disregarding this aspect of feminist history would be dishonest and disrespectful to those women who were overlooked by the movement back then and still are today.
@Josie-qn9zp
2 жыл бұрын
@@inert_cartha I definitely agree that criticism is necessary, as it is the only way we can grow. As they were, the suffragettes would not have included me in their movement. I was referring to the comments on this video. I hoped for more civil discussions, but all I see is (essentially) "yeah, the suffragettes sucked!!!!!" While I agree (as stated above) that criticism is necessary, and even mentioned it in my og comment, I don't agree that we should hate the women that fought for what they believed was right at the time. I don't believe that hate was the intended purpose of the video, I agree with and understand OPs video, I was referring mostly to those that choose to leave a comment on this video.
@annemettefrederiksen7751
2 жыл бұрын
Rich women of leisure where literally the only ones with enough education and most importantly free time to spare for fighting for any cause because they didn't have to work in a factory or at home with 6 children in their skirts and yes, they were no better or worse than most other people back then when it came to class/racial destinctions, but i am forever grateful for any woman who fought against the norms and experienced put downs and harassment because of this and torture in prison for the cause...It wasnt perfect and we should remember this, but lets not make it sound as if they were completely without thought for anyone else..
@courtneyr6645
2 жыл бұрын
@@annemettefrederiksen7751 This
@annemettefrederiksen7751
2 жыл бұрын
@@Правильноемнение-н4д Not so much that in my opinion, critical looks on things are fine,but it's not as if we dont have slightly bigger issues in 2022 than some woman being a 1910 person to some and a man raping a servant in 1789 .. Should everything be included in historical analysis and remembered, absolutely, but lets not go over board..
@TastyGamingQc
2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s ungrateful to try to look at them under this kind of point of view when they were drugged and beaten into this state of mind by the men at the time. Of course they weren’t going to be that much more inclusive the man were already on their ass. Their actions tho opened to door for all those women so thank them instead of trying to sarcastically antagonize them.
@fatcat1414
2 жыл бұрын
To think of the sexes equally means equality of accountability. Women do not get a pass for bigotry. To suggest bigoted women must have been 'drugged and beaten' suggests they do not have innate potential for independent thought that men have. And they did not open the door for the women they rejected. The door for the rejected women was closed until the rejected themselves fought to open it.
@TastyGamingQc
2 жыл бұрын
@@fatcat1414 that’s not the point. You’re trying to make ppl take accountability for nowadays standards. It make no sense.
@fatcat1414
2 жыл бұрын
@@TastyGamingQc Critiquing the social movements of the past is how we move forward. And there were plenty of contemporary women who vocally criticized the mainstream suffragette movement from a more progressive perspective, so I feel just fine doing the same.
@TastyGamingQc
2 жыл бұрын
@@fatcat1414 Critiquing is one thing. Trying to demonize them is another.
@Tea.drinka
2 жыл бұрын
And yet the men were in trenches getting killed sacrificed themselves for their country’s
@violetkalico
2 жыл бұрын
Y’all mad about shit that happened a century ago. Everyone can vote now- 😭 …now if we could all decide what happens to our own reproductive organs, that would be great.
@pitterpatter4201
2 жыл бұрын
And good reason for it too. Oppression doesn't have a statute of limitations sweetheart. Would you advocate for people not caring about the over turning of roe v wade in 100 years from now or would you still want people to recognize it as an injustice that was done and want people to speak up when others give praise to those that put in effect the ending of female reproductive freedom? You know like the girl in this vid is doing? Just bc something happened back then doesn't make it any less important to speak about and learn from in the present
@moonflower4295
2 жыл бұрын
Votes for ALL WOMEN!💕
@peggydragonell9590
2 жыл бұрын
The other massive slogan was "universal suffrage" which meant everyone had the right to vote. Many, many suffragettes were working class (Lucy Wolsey has a great documentary about the suffragettes, mostly the leaders of the cause but also the timeline of the suffrage movement).Yes plenty of suffragettes were of their time with ideals that in a modern time we rightfully disagree with, but what lots of people don't understand about history is that people weren't just stupid or oppressive, they followed what was considered right back then. Just like we follow what is considered right now, in a hundred years we'll be the stupid and oppressive. Putting down the feminists before us does exactly what the misogynists wanted. Instead I would think of it as "this is the past that we can learn from and can move forward with grace into a better era".
@мирвзвездах
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@SnazzyArcade
2 жыл бұрын
It pisses me off because these women literally risked their lives to get even just a crumb for women, but I guess their efforts mean nothing because it didn’t include every woman from the start. Maybe ask why white wealthy men didn’t give the poor/PoC men the vote instead of trashing early feminists for creating a movement that lead to the rights we have today.
@cottagecreeche8852
2 жыл бұрын
It isn't putting them down it is rightful criticism. Following what you believe to be right can also carry the same meaning as being crazy/obsessive. On the frontier of race and ideals it should be the same criticism you give misogynists because it is essentially the same system and issue with different boxes and bows.
@neeliknowsnothing
2 жыл бұрын
@@cottagecreeche8852 i think they're saying that it's important to be historically specific when being critical of these movements. In homogenising all the sufferegettes, there is a way in which this clip erases less privileged narratives, especially those of working class women. And for what? Seeming more "woke" than women who were here 100s of years ago? Intersectionality didn't come into our cultural consciousness one fine day after all, and it's weird putting down women instead of contextualising it with the different voices of that time. And i do think it's putting down rather than being actually critical because of the way this is framed as 1900s women vs now; these were women who met with horrific state violence because they were just asking for the vote- for their time, they've gone through a lot more than we have for freedom so us talking down to them as if they're stupid for not thinking of other women is just ahistorical. And people making these clips likely wouldn't have been the exception of those times- in fact they'd most likely have been less progressive than these women.
@cottagecreeche8852
2 жыл бұрын
@@neeliknowsnothing I understand what you mean but in my opinion it is criticism. The point is to inform, it is not about being more "woke" then women 100 years ago, it's about acknowledging the problem within the history of feminism and learning from it. For example Martin Luther King Jr. was homophobic and we in the blk community can acknowledge that but obviously no one is going to talk down on him. I hope you can understand with this
@michellebyrom6551
Жыл бұрын
I'm proud to say that my great grandmother was a Suffragist. I was about 5 or 6 when she died. My granny still had her Suffragist badge years later. They were working class women, mostly from the mills in the North of England. They signed a huge petition at the factory gates because they had neither the time nor the money to protest like the Suffragettes.
@sammysammyson
2 жыл бұрын
"Ahhh...right." Well, more like "Ahhh...white."
@emma-janeadamson4099
2 жыл бұрын
In fairness, when they started campaigning for votes for women in the UK, men only had the vote if they met the property qualification. (And it didn't matter if the men were black, as long as they had the assets.) You can campaign for women to have the same rights as men and that not mean universal rights.
@AlexKingsfallen
2 жыл бұрын
Actually only 7% of people in the UK could vote, those in the upper class. When they gave women the right to vote they ALSO had to give the vote to working class men too. It pisses me off to no end that they are perpetuating a fucking lie.
@emma-janeadamson4099
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexKingsfallen my point is you could reasonably campaign for votes for rich women if the only people who could vote were rich men.
@DCPTF2
2 жыл бұрын
You forgot the qualification of military service
@emma-janeadamson4099
2 жыл бұрын
@@DCPTF2 I didn't forget, I didn't know! And having spent a few minutes with Google, all I've got is that Texas, France and Ireland specifically withheld the vote from military personnel at one point. Can you tell me more?
@DCPTF2
2 жыл бұрын
@@emma-janeadamson4099 because voting was only ever a privilege of the upper class, the ability to vote was one of the many incentives used to convince men to join the army, while I'm going to butcher it, it was said "a man has very little reason to fight for a state or leader who he has had no say in", so once you served your time in the armed forces you'd be given the right to vote from then on as a sign of respect
@sarchiba
2 жыл бұрын
It's not great, but one step at a time...it'd good that even those women got rights in the first place. Now, hopefully we can keep fixing all our issues
@ShebrewQueen
2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the shout out and pouring out of truth. Blessings. ♥️
@Theworldiscomplex
2 жыл бұрын
Baby steps sigh baby steps
@pitterpatter4201
2 жыл бұрын
easy for you to say when you're the ones being fought for, and not forgotten check your privilege.
@Theworldiscomplex
2 жыл бұрын
@@pitterpatter4201 so you think it’s better for women’s rights to not be fought for at all? I’m not saying it’s good I’m just saying it’s better than nothing. We need to keep fighting so that all women are truly equal to all men and NBs to so that everyone is equal. But I still think baby steps are better than no steps or steps backwards. Do you agree
@pitterpatter4201
2 жыл бұрын
@@Theworldiscomplex No, I'm saying its better to fight for all and not just some and the excuse of it being "hard, or maybe wont work" is a shameful and wacky excuse. The same was said about it for the rich WW yet they still fought for themselves. It was possible to fight for everyone, many of those suffragettes just simply didn't want to fight for other groups of women. You're probably a WW yourself or at least comfortable light/pale so I understand how its easy for you to advocate putting other groups of women's freedom on hold while your civil rights are being met. Even if you are not the point still stands. The audacity for you to insist that BW and all other women being told to wait for the same attention you reserve for only rich WW is fine or a necessary sacrifice, pfft. yeah easy for you to say when you are the one offering up the sacrifice huh? That's what you are advocating for and defending. So no, we ALWAYS have the opportunity to fight for all peoples no matter what the adversity, its just that many of the OG suffragettes simply saw certain other women as beneath them and people like you are parading that around cloaked in the façade of "brave sacrifice for the rights of women" when in reality it was many WW back then only looking out for themselves and MADE other women wait.
@Theworldiscomplex
2 жыл бұрын
@@pitterpatter4201 I am a black women I want black women native women poor women and all womens rights to be fought for
@Theworldiscomplex
2 жыл бұрын
@@pitterpatter4201 we wouldn’t have woman’s rights as a movement at all without them I appreciate them setting the ground work and people now days can finish the job but I’m not ganna say the entire movement was bad
@WaffleProductionsInMotion
2 жыл бұрын
Retroactively complaining. Heh, the Internet makes silly people
@SpiceIsNice
2 жыл бұрын
My mom's a immigrant but she comes from a European country and is bullied worse then any other immigrant in the U.S but I bet you dident mean us when you said immigrant
@choppers9909
2 жыл бұрын
I mean, she was talking about the uk soooooo..
@SpiceIsNice
2 жыл бұрын
@@choppers9909 I mean same thing diffrent coding
@choppers9909
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpiceIsNice fair enough i guess
@misha130
2 жыл бұрын
I think in 1920 if they meant all women the vote wouldn't have passed and who knows when it would've have
@parisewellington3664
2 жыл бұрын
Baby steps🥲
@Zach-ol3ck
2 жыл бұрын
Damn i didn't know black people were kidnapped i always thought americans bought them from africa when slave trade was big
@Jesus____
2 жыл бұрын
you're right but the slaves were forced to leave their homes and they technically got kidnapped
@a_wolf8889
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jesus____ they where technically forced to leave their home and kidnapped by other africain to be sold
@Reginald_Ritmo
2 жыл бұрын
Sjw gets a history lesson and becomes more of an sjw.
@pitterpatter4201
2 жыл бұрын
And good on her for it, nothing about this video is wrong. Needs to be said so oh well.
@zoerose4110
2 жыл бұрын
You obviously don't know history
@szlendak1368
2 жыл бұрын
“if they’ve chosen to live in this country they should at least have a say in how it’s run” this is the worst thing i think i’ve ever heard in my entire life
@craig2196
2 жыл бұрын
I'm confused about the commentary here. This is just what happened in history. Then why have one character in a historical costume, but then just have modern day clothes? What is the message here?
@FalonGrey
2 жыл бұрын
There is no message, just a sad display of "Look, I know a single fact from history!". Should've caught it when she said that Black people were "kidnapped", because apparently it's okay to take slaves if you're the same race, but buying them is the evil act here! 😂
@MamaMonkey2008
2 жыл бұрын
Just so we are clear: I did not kidnap anyone, my families got here in the 1910s.
@courtneyr6645
2 жыл бұрын
I heard the “we” and I said speak for yourself…I’m not in the habit of kidnapping people
@Ora_Lin
2 жыл бұрын
"dont worry im one of the good ones" bro thats not actually helpful for anyone you most definitely still participate and benefit from white supremacy to some degree. The groundwork that was laid by white human traffickers works in your favor despite the fact that they weren't your ancestors specifically
@cottagecreeche8852
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ora_Lin This
@nickelakon5369
2 жыл бұрын
No one got kidnapped, the slaved were sold and the slaves were prisoners of war from conquered tribes. Anyone who says the europeans just sailed over to Africa and took a bunch of people as slaves is either misinformed or blatantly lying. (Not justifying slavery either, just think misrepresenting what actually occured isn't going to help anyone. Especially since this still happens, it's just that western countries don't participate in that trade anymore, but Muslim countries and China do still buy African slaves from African people.)
@heyybro69
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Learning about the suffragettes and suffragist and what their cause was this was my question exactly.. why not everyone 🧐🤔
@GummyFishOwO
2 жыл бұрын
she's a redhead, those weren't respectable either as i remember
@saltypork101
2 жыл бұрын
In my feed, this is directly below a video by Footless Joe. "Sometimes it's great to take a look back... And see how far you've come." An apt sentiment here I think.
@sandra-jones
2 жыл бұрын
They turned there back on Ida B. Well after she worked so hard to help them organize the march.
@CraftsyPenguin
2 жыл бұрын
well done!!!
@kazuzart1582
2 жыл бұрын
Funny it is always white american woman who do those type of video 🤣
@cynthiacowan9744
2 жыл бұрын
Yes most people who’ve chosen to educate themselves are aware of this fact. And if not I don’t really know what to say about people who’ve chosen not to educate themselves. Interesting how you did not mention the most downtrodden people in this nation, the American Indian. Seeing as we almost annihilated them. But seeing as you seem to think you discovered something new what would you like us to do with this information? I’d love to hear about how we could maybe stop the second fastest growing crime in the world, that is growing like wildfire in our own country, slavery. We like to refer to it as human trafficking I guess so people don’t have to feel as bad about it and we won’t try to do anything about it. Unless of course you’ve found a time machine and we can just go back in time and deal with both of these issues at the get-go. I can’t wait to hear your response.
@atinytrashcan6755
2 жыл бұрын
With the number of issues our society faces today, even those who choose to educate themselves may not be aware of this short's subject matter. Furthermore, you cannot assume that the people who haven't educated themselves are automatically ignorant. Some people deal with heavy loads in their daily lives to the point they don't have thw time or energy to educate themseleves. These people are more likely to stumble across this information in a youtube short than an article. Other people may simply be too young or sheltered to have grasped perspectives outside those which they grew up with. If I found this video when I was twelve, I would've appreciates it very much. This video only means to be informative. It is doing more harm than good. As an immigrant poc woman, I can affirm that this video, even if reiterating a well known fact, still aids in highlighting the struggles which come from intersectionality. It's important to note historical events like this for our communities. Even if it tackles a topic that needs less attention than the issues in your comments, it is still battling ignorance, and not everyone has the same access to resources as you do. Forgive me if I read your tone wrong, but if I didn't, please be kind. Any help, no matter how redundant is better than none at all.
@inert_cartha
2 жыл бұрын
It's a KZitem Shorts, Cynthia, not a documentary
@yungmun4155
2 жыл бұрын
Bruh y’all will complain about anything in history
@user-xd6nc6rg7b
2 жыл бұрын
Naturalized citizens, yes. Immigrant residents, no. I lived overseas for 11 years and never considered it my place to chime in on their political systems. I didn't know enough about the history of the placee I lived and had no long term investment in those countries. Imagine the consequences if another country flooded the US with their citizens to influence our elections for their benefit.
@Ora_Lin
2 жыл бұрын
tell that to the colonizers who originally imposed their own ideas about government when there were alrealy many existing nations/peoples/tribes that had their own functional forms of "government"
@user-xd6nc6rg7b
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ora_Lin All of that was wrong. What do you want to so about it now? Hop in a TARDIS and fix it?
@Ora_Lin
2 жыл бұрын
@@user-xd6nc6rg7b whataboutisms. there's no point in entertaining them.
@xXfireflyyXx
2 жыл бұрын
Oooo. Yeah, you have red hair... you wouldn't have been able to vote either. The Irish weren't considered.. respectable in the U.S. Sorry.
@choppers9909
2 жыл бұрын
The suffragettes were a British thing, but yes you're right.
@carlinkag2525
2 жыл бұрын
My high school English teacher really made sure it stuck in my head, "All people are equal, but some are more equal than others."
@snowps1
2 жыл бұрын
And how do you feel about men appropriating our sex and gender these days?
@Ora_Lin
2 жыл бұрын
transness isn't appropriation
@suchalooser8784
2 жыл бұрын
I find it so funny that these people think they would be the exception in those times 🤦♀️🤦♀️
@ivechang6720
Жыл бұрын
Salvation Army: Shifts to hide from accountability. Catholics: Hide. Southern Baptists: *Does the same. Me: 🤨🔎 👣👣👣
@kocsispetra1625
2 жыл бұрын
Suffragettes were living in France, not the US. It was the begining of their feminism, and it wasn't perfect, but it started a whole movement which now is more inclusive. If you expect them to inmediately think about all issues (and mostly issues that affect the US this deep), then it's like asking a kid who learned to read, to understand the books of biochemistry. It started, and we made it better and better through generations. Still not perfect, but we're growing
@trafalgarq805
2 жыл бұрын
The Suffragettes were British.
@kocsispetra1625
2 жыл бұрын
@@trafalgarq805 Lol no, the whole movement started in France. And since the British government viewed this (and a lot of other French political movements/acts) as an enemy at first, and tried to push the inspired British women out.
@pitterpatter4201
2 жыл бұрын
Same could be said with the U.S. and slavery but "w-w-well were not perfect but were trying our hardest" :'( doesn't cut it when talking about issues of freedom and basic human rights. Stop making excuses.
@kocsispetra1625
2 жыл бұрын
@@pitterpatter4201 But slavery ended because people fought for it. Obviously there were ones who were ahead of it, but it took time for most people to get there. Same was with Suffragettes. Let's say you want to make health care better, free (aka, payed by taxes), and universal. Do you know how to start it? Do you know where to take the money from, how to execute the plans? I don't think so. Not until you learn more and more. You also can't ask a cavemen to read a book and express emotions about it. I really don't understand why is this such a hard concept to get.
@pitterpatter4201
2 жыл бұрын
@@kocsispetra1625 Big difference between suffragettes and the movement to end slavery. One was fought for the end of ALL slavery in the united states not just for some singular group, the other was to acquire the vote for only a SELECT few. Trying to excuse inaction because of "b-b-but its scary, baby steppes" or "it would take too long" is shameful and there is no way of defending it. Most of the suffragettes looked down on other classes of women financially and by skin color, so stop painting them as fighters for equality but only shied away from it bc of political reasons. No, most of them just didn't care. Also Your analogy for health care is so bad and doesn't work even in the slightest. Apples to oranges and a huge strawman attempt. It doesn't take having a bigger brain than a cave man in order to process that not only rich WW should get the vote or be the ones fought for while putting all others down.
@elizabethrhone5516
2 жыл бұрын
“Ain’t I a Woman”- Sojourner Truth. Intersectionality my friends
@seriennesalhani1746
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly even though their reasons are wrong it helped the rest of us be like wait if they get to do that why don't we also do that. Without them starting it I don't think we would have moved anywhere :,) you know?
@TheJola106
2 жыл бұрын
Two things can be true at the same time .
@seriennesalhani1746
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheJola106 can you explain more???
@DaPeasant
2 жыл бұрын
@@seriennesalhani1746 they can be horrible people because they were racists but also brave empowered women for fighting the patriarchy. It’s how historical figures should be viewed. Nobody is entirely angelic all the time and nobody is entirely horrible people all the time. Even Hitler loved dogs, granted he loved German Shepards. But still it shows an innocence in a man that had some abhorrent beliefs.
@Elfenvampir
2 жыл бұрын
I KNEW it. They were indeed just bourgeois and had no intention to change the big picture.
@ea5145
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of them actually did want to change the big picture. Some of them were bigots like the person depicted here. Some of them unfortunately believed they wouldn't get anything if they talked about giving the vote to "non respectable women" (similar to the lavender menace in 2nd wave feminism) and other folks believed it was a horrible mistake to do anything but get an amendment that guaranteed everyone's right to vote across the board. And, by the way, the fact that we didn't get that version of the amendment is still hurting us to this day.
@deldarma4509
2 жыл бұрын
Jesus. They litteraly got killed during their activism. They took huge risks. And you're disparaging them after all the rights they fought for you to have. Looking at them from the pedestal of modernity. Respect thé generations of féminists before you.
@carliemorgan1871
2 жыл бұрын
If youre illegal, you dont get a say.
@a_wolf8889
2 жыл бұрын
?
@LakeofCrystalclan
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know what you’re attempting to convey, but this could easily get taken the wrong way and you get called a racist or a xenophobe or something.
@bunnywar
2 жыл бұрын
You didn't kidnap them, they kidnapped their own and sold them. It's basic history....
@ValaRed
2 жыл бұрын
That’s how I feel about the left right now. “Equality, tolerance, sensitivity, no hate! … but only for those who agree with us.”
@day_dreamer_-9732
2 жыл бұрын
That's too broad of a statement🙄
@spicyuh
2 жыл бұрын
Discrimination based on opinion or character is completely different to discrimination based on race, class, etc.
@a_wolf8889
2 жыл бұрын
@@spicyuh its still bad
@blacklightredlight2945
Жыл бұрын
@@a_wolf8889 How is discrimination based on your character bad? Smh, conservatives don't even want to be judged on their actions and the future they advocate for society.
@a_wolf8889
Жыл бұрын
@@blacklightredlight2945 Im not saying that you cant judge people on their opinions, of course you can but dont discriminate them for it,(except if their opinion is really dangerous like rascism, sexism, homophobia/transphobia.)
@haydentrudgill
Жыл бұрын
When you Americans here "You know, women like us", you think 'white women'. In Britain, we hear that and think 'middle class and up'. Which, in fact is part of the British story. Single women that owned land got the vote before all working class men. In fact, 1 million women were eligible. All men got the vote in 1918. Women followed a mere 10 YEARS after. Only 10 years. The delay was mainly due to protests of 95% of women not wanting the vote as many didn't want the responsibility that came with it. There was also legitimate concerns about how their vote would effect the nuclear family. Despite all of this, it only took 10 years.
@Bioshocking12
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don’t vibe with suffragettes. I’m glad more people realize that they didn’t gaf about women like me
@bwicket
2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be soooo nice if we could just handle everything at once?? All means all, people. Let's get it together...
@st-xk4cj
2 жыл бұрын
just fyi, not all suffragettes were like the ones portrayed in this video. although, i understand that a lot of them were (tbh probably the vast majority). but the daughter of the woman who started the suffragette movement in the UK was a fierce advocate of anti-colonialism and was also a suffragette. if you’re interested, her name is sylvia pankhurst :)
@giyuutomioka6974
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it's not this way today. No matter who it is, everyone deserves equal rights.
@RandomMakesDumbThings
2 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry this is great but you really reminded me of peppermint from strawberry shortcake
@LadyFireShelf
2 жыл бұрын
I guess the feminists got so bored of making fun of men that they resorted to making fun of themselves
@halfknight2310
2 жыл бұрын
I would have said “ah… racists”
@oniemployee3437
2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the average working class man didn't get voting rights until 1884 across Britain. It took until 1918 to make it for every man below that class(all the way down to homeless) and well-off women. That's only a 10 year gap until 1928 when white women of all classes received that right.
@doglish_
2 жыл бұрын
kidnapped their ancestors? at that time it was more like “kidnapped their grandparents”
@bassboss1234
2 жыл бұрын
whites never did the kidnapping, other Africans did, where they then sold their slaves to North America/South America.
@hakunamatata7981
2 жыл бұрын
Feminism was never for all women. I would look into the history of Womanism. Started by black women and fought misogyny and racism.
@CJ-vw3dt
2 жыл бұрын
Look at the history, not all suffragettes where like that! Look at Jane Addams, she even got the peace nobel price when it still meant something.
@aguybeingadude9015
2 жыл бұрын
This video doesn’t portray *all* suffragettes, just shows that not every icon is necessarily tolerant of others
@choppers9909
2 жыл бұрын
How tf did a suffragette get a peace prize lol, they were violent as(there were also the suffragists who were more peaceful) This is a joke
@CJ-vw3dt
2 жыл бұрын
@@choppers9909 read her up, she was really cool. Probably also the only lesbian with a peace nobel price.
@nokari458
3 ай бұрын
I'm glad you pointed out there were fights even within the women only crowds.
@ipisseduoff5900
2 жыл бұрын
ok but i’m tired of the “tribes kidnapped and sold their own people into slavery for weapons” part of history being skipped over
@TheJola106
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, are you ? Now why is that ?
@imperialhistati2348
2 жыл бұрын
Movements always start off like this. Step by step fulfilling their role in modernising society. Making it better for its participants. Until -of course- they lose their way. *The Jedi has lost their way*😶
@adararelgnel2695
2 жыл бұрын
She means women who are knowledgeable about politics and have an understanding of what kind of impact their chosen candidate may have. Now information is super accesible to everyone so anyone can be well versed in politics. But back then, only women married to men in the know would have a good understanding. This is why it was as such. What would a new immigrant woman know about politics?
@smag3418
2 жыл бұрын
Nah, it was just “Equality… But only for us”.
@matthewjanney2399
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, in a way your not wrong...but in practice who they tended to believe knowledgeable....were upper class white women...this logic is akin to things people believed in various late period colonial enterprises, an idea kind of literally termed the white man's burden, that the white upper class had a job to civilize the poor childlike races who just couldn't govern themselves ...there has been criticism of this for ages, in fact you had women in that age who called this out, Emma Goldman very much contemporaneously called out the narrowness of a good part of the women's rights movement of the time
@bearlyalive9669
2 жыл бұрын
This is why so many feminists are under fire today, I hope this video blows up so people can see that genuine feminists live in the shadow of the entitled ones, love your video
@thecrownandthecow8123
2 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the hat? Its very pretty!
@johnperky2882
Жыл бұрын
I enjoy fashion shows like this and I bought Susan b. Anthony coins before.😄
@bostontowny4life744
2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh yes, once again, modern people in 2022 shoehorning modern 2022 morality with people from over 100 years ago. I just love it. I get it. People like you don’t see yourselves as normal people, you see yourself as a protagonist of your own little film. So when you think of yourself back in the 1910’s, you don’t think of yourself as a normal, everyday person growing up during the WW1 era, tied to the times customs and values. You think of yourself as the main female protagonist of a period piece Netflix film that’s set in the 1910’s, where you’re the rambunctious hero that takes a stand to the patriarchy and racism! I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that’s not how reality works 99.999% of the time. I’m reality, if you were at a women’s suffrage meeting back in 1915, and a black women suddenly walked into the room THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR you would have been just as shocked and appalled as everyone else in the room. At the very least it would’ve caused you to have an involuntary light gasp. Because you wouldn’t have been able to help it, because that’s the era you came up in and you would not have known anything else. Get off your high horse. I’m not saying they were right, they weren’t, but there’s nothing we could do about it now except for move forward and improved where they failed. Getting into fake debates with people from 100 years ago isn’t really fair since they’re not here to defend themselves.
@rae..
2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the land of the free, it wasnt always free though, we were once owned by Britain. We had the Indigenous people enslaved but once their populations slowly declined we took a trip to Africa and kidnapped men women and children from there to be our slaves, most died on the voyage here though. Oh and if this wasnt already clear, those who owned slaves were all white since they came from Britain, there were some slaves brought over from Britain but you had to be super rich to have one before the colonization. Slaves were a thing for a very long time until Abe Lincoln. Shortly after he was elected president, because he was trying to abolish slavery, we turned into North and South Korea minus the Dictatorship and the South was the bad one. The South wanted to keep slaves but the North didnt. The North won the civil war and slavery was abolished BUT we were highly segregated until the 1960’s. Oh and, women werent allowed to do anything except cook, clean, and take care of the kids until WW1 and WW2 (mostly WW2 though) and ONLY white women were allowed to vote when women were allowed to vote. POC women werent allowed to vote until 1965, men were allowed to vote when the 15th ammendment was written/ratified (1870) but there were issues with that. Now, here we are today, taking 3 steps back. So yeah, welcome to the land of the free. Were still the home of the ave though. dont argue with history please for the sake of all things holy and unholy. theres so much the the american school system doesnt teach the kids, its sad. im not even an american i mean i am, but only because my mother and father have indigenous ancestors. ive looked up more information than what my step/half-sisters learned when they were in school.
@DaPeasant
2 жыл бұрын
Somewhat accurate. I believe context is also important. The way most people consume history is all out of whack because you’re researching a specific countries history. Slavery has its roots long before white people figured out how to make ships that could traverse oceans. Like most things though, they didn’t half arse it and we’re actually effective at it. Furthermore, there was a black slave owner. I’m not sure if he was the only one but he was more brutal than his white counterparts. Either way learn history with context in mind, then you’ll realise the white people of that era were exactly the same as their African, Asian and middle eastern counterparts. Much better than putting them on a pedestal.
@5tf6y7u8i9okpl
2 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair they would never have been able to win if they were always asking for THEIR rights for voting.
@StanBTSforaBUTTERlife
2 жыл бұрын
I’m a Asian and I want to leave this country because of what I heard in this video
@ravenclawallday6213
2 жыл бұрын
*why does this remind me of my family* 💀
@JeremyKet
10 ай бұрын
O you humans! may your water reservoirs be common; may the shares of food be enjoyed jointly. I unite you all under the yoke of common code of conduct with one another.
@Thu_Gringatoriana_593_Xsiempre
2 жыл бұрын
Not those women said no suffragette ever
@seekingtrue9946
2 жыл бұрын
Psst, it's when things were just getting started - the ground foundation. Future development takes time.
@Victoria-pu9bm
2 жыл бұрын
There was a large group of women who were against women's suffering for one big reason. The draft. Women were afraid that if men could vote, and had mandatory draft, that women would also have sign up for the draft if they could vote.
@susansewall6632
2 жыл бұрын
No some women actually thought that it would be more harmful to women and that we could not mentally handle that type of power and other just didnt want it because they enjoyed being at home and taking care of kids. Also it wasn't till here recently that they have even mentioned drafting women.
@Victoria-pu9bm
2 жыл бұрын
@@susansewall6632 Okay. I swear I heard what I said by Abbey Cox on KZitem, but i could have misunderstood.
@susansewall6632
2 жыл бұрын
@@Victoria-pu9bm it's okay I didnt really know much about this till a few years ago and I started seeing videos of women who where saying that it would be more harmful than helpful and they didnt want it. I find it funny that people complain about the "evil white man" while simultaneously not realizing who gave them the rights in the first place and never question why.
@GreyerShade
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you highlight this. History isnt always perfect but we should learn it uncensored and unfiltered. Otherwise its not true, its just fiction. 👏
@Nofxthepirate
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone today: "Your activism isn't good enough and the inherent biases of your time are not an excuse. Thanks for all the rights you got me!"
@Ora_Lin
2 жыл бұрын
There are two full length discussion videos about the suffragette movement and it’s ties to white supremacy on this channel. I highly recommend watching them!
@carlosquintela2950
2 жыл бұрын
@@Ora_Lin well of course the original suffragette movement was linked to this kind of ideas because they were what was most common at that time. It was the norm. This women wouldn't have thought otherwise because there were almost little to no examples of another system of values. One cannot judge history by today's standards since most of the intellectuals and people who have contributed in any form to the progress of society were either racist, antisemitic, homophonic, sexist... Etc. If you told them what a trans person is, they would go absolutely bonkers and if we tried to explain to them what a gender fluid person is, their disbelief would be astronomical
@TheSaiyen25
2 жыл бұрын
@@carlosquintela2950 Exactly. It is an example of moral superiority.
@_JamesMorrell_
2 жыл бұрын
Now I dont feel bad for shooting that suffrage NPC in rdr2
@sleepdeprived6565
2 жыл бұрын
Ruthless, you have no Ruths
@mikatoka2.050
2 жыл бұрын
I killed the feminist in that game, i feel like i should have been at max honor
@halo_girl_2434
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah we all know Susan. We all learned this in highschool. Ya’ll beat a horse to death with its own bones.
@jordanaguon1
2 жыл бұрын
Right?!
@pitterpatter4201
2 жыл бұрын
We also learn about the suffering of women and other oppressed group in class, but just bc we heard it once doesn't mean it should just go away. You wouldn't say this about any other historic issue so why this one? No one cares that you don't want to hear it again, deal with it.
@speedyguy4586
2 жыл бұрын
I don't believe illegal or seasonal/temporary immigrants should be allowed to vote. That's like us going to Italy for a month and demanding we should have to right to vote
@torieldreemurr541
2 жыл бұрын
When I was little, I was against Suffrage because I thought it meant suffering instead of voting rights 😭💀
@imvomiting2051
2 жыл бұрын
This is kind of sad… All women deserve respect, all equally
@Shadow_Microwaive
2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact slavery wasn’t just for African American people, every race went through slavery we just only talk about African American slavery
@cvdirecto5008
2 жыл бұрын
Something people don't realize is back then they were fighting for themselves and those in their circle not everyone else because it was ✨None of their business✨ and as someone who lives in a very high classist (as in you're beneath me because you're not in my socioeconomic class) country this doesn't shock me.
@aviziii
2 жыл бұрын
“No no, you silly thing, we mean the white, wealthy, educated women that fit the beauty standards!” - this lady, probably
@michaelduran926
2 жыл бұрын
Love how you had to go way in the past to show racism. It’s so true that racism was practically dead (until liberals revived it)
@embroideredragdoll
2 жыл бұрын
You know, I often hated how self centred most historical drama “feminists” are and how often they pin blame on other women for societal issues. But I guess it’s accurate.
@embroideredragdoll
2 жыл бұрын
@@shannonlee4622 I would argue that she isn’t saying that feminism is bad inherently but is criticising the fact that the suffragettes despite their noble endeavour to get the vote were not considerate of other women. To clarify as well my original comment isn’t meant as “anti feminism” that sentiment annoys me more than anything. But is a critique of characters who claim to be feminists but spend most of their plot actively diminishing women for having to participate with in patriarchal activities instead of criticising the patriarchy itself. If you do have any book recommendations I’d like to check it out.
@girl_you_sure731
2 жыл бұрын
You're both clearly Irish no votes for you I'm afraid
@pcsmush
2 жыл бұрын
Can we not try and downplay the suffragette movement. This was such an important step for equality. Yes they had to compromise but do you really think the people in charge would have just given equal votes to all? All men didn't have the right to vote at this time either.
@alekbi_le5875
2 жыл бұрын
Black womans don't deserve the right to vote just bc the past of their ancestors, but bc they're a human being and it's a right everyone should have This video is so underrated i have heard a lot of people talking how the old feminism was better but it's bc no one talks about this side of it
@avgastas1515
2 жыл бұрын
Why would we ever let people who aren't citizens vote? Is there any other country on earth that does that
@elanorwoodhams7811
Жыл бұрын
There are plenty of countries that have either partial (can vote in local elections only) or full suffrage based on residence, I am from New Zealand, which allows residents to vote
@Yokae
2 жыл бұрын
Just saying it. Rome wasn’t built in one day! You have to start some where small!
@lulolie
2 жыл бұрын
Intersectionality is important
@Openeyees
2 жыл бұрын
Nor you or i were a part of slavery or prior real racism and none of us should feel guilty beacuse of history. Try listening to this but swap women to people. If you truly want to fight for women's rights the western world is not where your fight is needed.
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