"Everything is in 4/4 if you stop counting like a nerd" will forever be my favourite musical joke.
@vicentehamel
20 күн бұрын
It is pretty accurate tho
@aibrainlet8041
20 күн бұрын
@@vicentehamel its not accurate at all ... Pulse is time and time is relative.. note groupings relate space to time... You can count anything in anything, if you speed up or slow down by the precise amount. Your impulse to count fours is trained, really your brain just knows 1 beat of the pulse at a time.
@phillipanselmo8540
20 күн бұрын
you are counting it like a nerd@@aibrainlet8041
@dooshnukem32
20 күн бұрын
@@aibrainlet8041please refer to the latter half of OP's statement 🤓
@aibrainlet8041
20 күн бұрын
@@dooshnukem32 I was replying to the other reply... People are by and large taking it a face value, Adam himself is kind of implying this un-ironically
@LegalEagle
18 күн бұрын
Shawn is the best value in drumming; no one plays more hits per beat.
@jj8703
18 күн бұрын
legal eagle!!!
@singlereedenjoyer
16 күн бұрын
I did not expect to see a legal eagle comment on this channel
@sorayaimperial
15 күн бұрын
The crossover I didn't know I needed.
@MrDrProfJMF
15 күн бұрын
Would you say more hits per beat is the equivalent of higher value? 🤔
@brokenalgorithm
15 күн бұрын
@@jj8703get off his Beak
@koreandersim
20 күн бұрын
I deeply need people to understand that serious and silly are not enemies
@PauLtus_B
18 күн бұрын
Like how visual experimental "high art" is actually quite close to stuff like KZitem Poop.
@Patrick-gm3fb
18 күн бұрын
Just recommend Randall Munroe's "What If?"
@EthanNeal
17 күн бұрын
Exactly! Yes, a 7:11 polyrythym is a bit silly, but if that's what makes sense to use, then I don't see the holdup. Hell, David Bruce wrote a 4 movement string ensemble piece using The Lick entirely seriously, and it doesn't sound like a joke, it's genuinely really good
@waynekerr7013
16 күн бұрын
Silliness is serious business.
@literallyap0tat0-q7q
16 күн бұрын
Frank Zappa has entered the chat
@MorganHJackson
20 күн бұрын
That beat at ten minutes is like when you're really tired and have a red bull. It doesn't really wake you up, you're just turbo tired now.
@LordChaosWing
20 күн бұрын
Crowder is an *amazingly* expressive drummer. That is *exactly* what that sounds like.
In my view, there are four real ways to look at the time signature of any tune: 1) how the person writing it was feeling it 2) how the audience feels it 3) how it’s easiest to put in sheet music for a new performer 4) writing it weirdly for fun (you can write anything in 3/11 if you try hard enough) Aside from #4, none of them are wrong, just different use cases
@wilh3lmmusic
19 күн бұрын
All of them are wrong except maybe 3. Time signature and meter are two different things, and the time signature is specifically a *notational* element. The time signature is how it is written, not how it feels. For example, the Passacaglia from Peter Grimes by Benjamin Britten is in a *meter* of 11, as the repeating bassline is 11 beats long, but the *time signature* is 4/4 as that's what it's notated in, with each repetition (each variation) being 2¾ bars long.
@pedrova8058
19 күн бұрын
"write" language (any kind) is a representational tool, isn't "the thing itself". You can be very nerdy and get into hermeneutics (interpretation of language) isues and so on, but there is no such thing as an "incorrect" way of representing something in a language (you can claim more or less adequate ways, but music is not writing itself).
@M0odez
19 күн бұрын
@@wilh3lmmusic I feel like this misses the point in that there is no " *the* time signature" of any given piece; anything can be independently written by anyone using a different time signature for one of the four purposes. Your example sounds like a case of the writer doing number 4); the time signature of 4/4 basically having no relation to how the writer, audience, or performer would feel it. It sounds like if someone else rewrote the music using a time signature with a numerator of 11, they would likely achieve 1), 2), and/or 3) and as the comment suggested, this would have been much more useful. I'd say just because the idea of meter and time signature can be two different things, doesn't mean it's somehow less correct to not choose a time signature with a clear relationship to the meter.
@pepijnstreng4643
18 күн бұрын
@@M0odezNah, there are many good reasons to write something with a pattern of 11 beats in 4/4. Especially if it's for an orchestra, because 11/4 becomes almost impossible to conduct (try to come up with 11 different ways to swing your arm). And you don't have to say "on the 9th beat of this bar..." which would have musicians searching in their score for a long time. It's also easier to keep track of where you are. And experienced classical musicians don't really need to see the 11/4 time signature to know how to phrase the melody.
@M0odez
18 күн бұрын
@@pepijnstreng4643 That's a great point; I suppose that's another reason quite similar to number 3) and another good example of purpose behind a time signature choice. I still think it stands that if someone chooses to rewrite in 11 to communicate the feeling, that's not more or less correct than choosing 4/4 for the orchestra setting. It could be logical for a solo arrangement of an orchestral piece that was originally written in 4/4 for the reasons you suggested.
@dominic508
20 күн бұрын
''I have a feeling that 3 is like crabs, it is the evolutionarily most optimal way to groove to hyper-tuplets'' Yeah, okay maybe my friends are right. I'm too deep in this music nerd shit.
@bartolomeothesatyr
20 күн бұрын
Nah, yer friends ain't deep enough.
@a_person-qy9ju
20 күн бұрын
"3 is like crabs. Makes you wonder why you're always itchy". That's where I initially thought Adam was going with the crab talk. Oh well.
@JohannesWiberg
20 күн бұрын
Both those are just primed for massive missunderstanding as well - the crab thing is about similar crustaceans, not about "all animals" as some people took it. Same here, I'm sure some people will soon shout "Adam Neely said every rhythm is 3/4 so there!"
@IDTT137
20 күн бұрын
They're just not cool enough to understand
@leoinstatenisland
20 күн бұрын
Or perhaps they’re just fans of 3 bean salad podcast
@rachelfey
20 күн бұрын
Adam, 5 or 6 years ago your channel inspired me more than anything else to chase music professionally. I met someone years later that pushed me to really challenge myself. I'm making a living in entertainment now. You've never been just a meme guy to me. You've been a genuinely inspiring person. Hope to catch y'all in Atlanta next go 'round. Thank you, for more than you can ever know.
@LordChaosWing
20 күн бұрын
@Cochu
20 күн бұрын
"Don't fight me on this" at the guys that made the god damn song is insane lmao
@MyNameIsNeutron
20 күн бұрын
Reminds me of that time someone tweeted at Paul McCartney to tell him "Blackbird" was NOT the political song he claimed it to be
@PixelCherries
20 күн бұрын
"we literally made the song, it is in 4/4" "NUH-UH >:("
@DarkSideofSynth
20 күн бұрын
Perhaps it wasn't a snarky attack, but rather a plea: don't fight me on this.... or I know I'll lose. The person "simply" forgot that small magic word: please ;)
@GR20000
20 күн бұрын
"Don't press me on this Sadeas"
@raptor4916
20 күн бұрын
Hey man the author is just as much a participant in the work as the reader authorial intentions don't matter Death of the Author etc.
@DJBuglip
20 күн бұрын
Your drummer is a friggin beast, dude. What a sense of time and feel.
@LordChaosWing
20 күн бұрын
SEE HIM LIVE!!!! Sungazer's live take on "Drunk" is amazing! Crowder takes his drumset on a *walk*, and tells the story of a night spent with too much to drink in a way that is more expressive then anything i've ever heard a drum kit do before.
@DJBuglip
19 күн бұрын
@@LordChaosWing that sounds amazing
@aml7481
14 күн бұрын
There's a video somewhere on YT of him explaining his techniques and he's all "I can play individual beat patterns with each hand. No biggie." as if anybody can do it. Dude's brilliant.
@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t
20 күн бұрын
"It's the microplastics of time signatures" so you're telling me 4/4 is stored in the balls?
@CloudObsolete
20 күн бұрын
The pocket, if you will.
@InventorZahran
20 күн бұрын
I dunno... It sure is a simpler rhythm than CBAT!
@madjazzer4272
20 күн бұрын
Whatever moves the lower body
@UndarZ
19 күн бұрын
@@CloudObsolete Got it in the bag.
@penttikoivuniemi2146
19 күн бұрын
4/4 is stored in the balls and 3/4 is the crab of music. Amazing. Enlightening even.
@ricky_the_b
19 күн бұрын
3:16 "the micro plastics of time signatures" is one of my favorite euphemisms for something that is so inescapably ubiquitous as 4/4
@MrCharliebassman
20 күн бұрын
that 7/11 challenge was the sleeping agent to start liking sungazer years later 😂❤
@soundninja99
20 күн бұрын
It's like a gateway drug. Now years later i'm heading to a sungazer concert in a few months
@LordChaosWing
20 күн бұрын
@@soundninja99 You are in for a -treat-. They ROCK ASS live. (Seriously. If Adam calls out that they are about to play a song called "Anthem" START RECORDING.
@Strimmel1901
19 күн бұрын
@@soundninja99
@thebrisketbrothers8128
6 күн бұрын
Its so cool you brought this up because as a drummer my favorite thing to do is come up with a synth loop and add delay to it so it creates a bunch of weird accents and then drum into different feelings within the loop. Its an absolute BLAST just feeling the strangest rhythms and pushing and pulling out of the framework of the loop. Just dropping and picking up the rythms. Making all the accidents seem as intentional as possible. Its amazing ❤❤❤
@CheddarKungPao
20 күн бұрын
It's been 6 years since I offhandedly said "Everything is in 4/4 if you don't count it like a nerd." to you in Thomann's kitchen. I'm glad it's still funny, and that Sungazer is so awesome.
@VanVlearMusic
20 күн бұрын
Legend
@Nate-bd8fg
20 күн бұрын
Dude, like EVERYONE quotes that all the time, that's crazy
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
19 күн бұрын
Maybe one day that quote will end up in an academic paper like the 7/11 trend did.
@cptnoremac
18 күн бұрын
Mkay
@klaxoncow
20 күн бұрын
All music is in 1/1. It's just that the BPM can differ wildly, and it's easier to remember things in groups of 3 or 4.
@tannermatcheus6282
20 күн бұрын
Took the words out of my mouth
@masterchain3335
17 күн бұрын
Not *all* music has a tactus.
@GAHAHAHH
16 күн бұрын
That's just how I hear music; time signatures don't matter to me, even with someone literally counting out the measures I just don't hear it as being anything significant, especially when they start getting into "off beat" stuff. Then you have some people trying to argue that 1/1 physically can't exist. To me I only ever hear it as one note of various lengths pitch and volume.
@xyzyzx1253
15 күн бұрын
@@GAHAHAHHhonestly this is a mix and mastering engineers way of perceiving music and is probably closest to how you get a waveform To sound good, make that one sound, sound good lol
@crisoliveira2644
20 күн бұрын
I'm gonna write a song called Aphelion, based on the groundbreaking conception of a 4/4 time signature, with four evenly divided beats each bar.
@NestorKYAT
18 күн бұрын
I actually wrote a tune called Periapsis, but it was based on a comet reaching it's Perihelion and max velocity around the sun. I wanted to write an album including "Aphelion" or "Apoapsis" for the whole orbit, but I only wrote two tunes :(
@air9music
16 күн бұрын
I'm writing Syzygy, it's in 1/1 with 1 neatly undivided whole note per bar.
@crim-jim6814
14 күн бұрын
Lol.
@JoshLeRose
20 күн бұрын
20:19 "Um actually" moment incoming! It is totally possible to write this passage without the whole 7:11 polyrhythm thing. It's a bit odd at first glance, but what you can do is change the meter to 7/16, and then use the metric modulation of "whole rest = whole rest". This would imply that the length of the measure is the same, but now it's subdivided differently. You could also use "Whole note = Whole note".
@jaredlancaster4137
19 күн бұрын
Yeah that's what I was thinking too. It's the same thing, but without unnecessarily barfing a 7:11 above every measure, and actually kinda comprehensible if we still care about that
@chrishealy1679
2 күн бұрын
I came down here looking for this comment, it's exactly what I thought of, and it's not exactly rare either, it happens all the time when composers switch from 6/8 to 2/4
@matthewbertrand4139
20 күн бұрын
imagine walking up to Adam god damned Neely and telling him you know more about music than him, let alone music that he composed. can i have some of that confidence?
@aibrainlet8041
20 күн бұрын
It's free
@mrharvest
20 күн бұрын
"The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure, while the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell
@aibrainlet8041
20 күн бұрын
@@mrharvest you can question anything or anyone. A guy who makes KZitem videos is just a guy. Why should his ideas be so holy? This is what limits all thinking in general.
@latheofheaven1017
20 күн бұрын
Being so confident in your wrongness is probably not a great idea.
@aibrainlet8041
20 күн бұрын
@@latheofheaven1017 it's just easier for most people to wait for a the metaphors others have brought forward than forge their own conclusions. In this particular case, I would argue neither is right, there is a fundamental misconception about time and space Adam and the redditors have. They are both adding complexity for ... reasons. If your curious about that, go read my other comment on this video. The point is you shouldn't just take others at face value if your perception leads you to more questions. Asserting what you believe is often the first step to finding a more objective truth.
@foggl
20 күн бұрын
I could imagine that the 3/4 crab phenomenon comes from the idea that, if it is not 4/4, it must be 3/4 because that's the next most well known time signature.
@TanguyBlanchard
20 күн бұрын
Always has been
@peelslowly28
20 күн бұрын
Was looking for this
@TachyBunker
20 күн бұрын
Yooo salut cest Côme 😂
@caseym8385
17 күн бұрын
I’m glad you’re addressing music cognition. So many people get lost in the weeds of complicated seeming ideas that just don’t sound interesting. As a composer, I almost always start with the desire to create a new cognitive effect and work backwards from there to develop compositional techniques to achieve it. Most people seem to go the other way around.
@theavocadoguitarist.1823
20 күн бұрын
Part IV made me realize that Adam Neely literally starts with the music memes, and then they become *refined* ideas backed by musical pedagogy and cool songs.
@user-er5mg6zj4v
20 күн бұрын
feels like a metaphor for how the channel has evolved since 2018
@drumjjj777
20 күн бұрын
Partially sarcastically, totally sincerely:how did you think it worked?
@kennhern
19 күн бұрын
Repetition legitimizes
@DeadnWoon
12 күн бұрын
The fact that Gentle Giant's "So Sincere" is in straight 4/4 is one of the most amazing facts of all modern music...
@marianabeatriz5351
20 күн бұрын
Why is nobody talking about the amazing LEGO sets Adam owns
@shateq
20 күн бұрын
it's all on Adam Neely Lego channel, didn't you know really?
@tiltil9442
20 күн бұрын
@@shateq Nice opportunity for a RickRoll®
@tayniloalves7089
20 күн бұрын
@@tiltil9442 Even your coment fool me for a nano second, imagine if it had a link...
@seanrichards9569
19 күн бұрын
LOLZ
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
19 күн бұрын
It's a LEGO Creator Modular Building set, #10255, Assembly Square, from 2017. Just for the record.
@Stoneeeeemo
18 күн бұрын
0:55 ... civilians?
@Bbinkee
18 күн бұрын
Ah yes, the civil folk
@tubaszuba
18 күн бұрын
Yes 🙂
@the.difficulttimes
18 күн бұрын
You heard him. 😂
@voqz6667
17 күн бұрын
The jazz troops at it again
@MrDrProfJMF
15 күн бұрын
What he means is "muggles"
@paxson2000
20 күн бұрын
I remember discovering a Frank Zappa piece called “13” where at the beginning he explains how to count the 13 in subdivisions of 1-2 1-2-3 1-2-3-4 (the last section counted half as fast) and it blew my mind and i’ve used that method to help discern weirder time signatures over the years. Great video Adam!
Holy smokes, I work at Scientific American, some of my colleagues are gunna think it's cool that you used that screengrab of the "Why Do Animals Keep Evolving into Crabs" article!
@GAJake
20 күн бұрын
We had a drumline warmup in highschool like the martian mambo called "7/8" it basically moved around the 2-2-3 pattern each phrase so 2-2-3, 2-3-2, 3-2-2 etc. We had a variation where all drums played the pattern in the same order, but we had a "big-split" version where the snares, quads, and bases would start at a different phrase. Like playing "in a round"
@Blinkerd00d
20 күн бұрын
Yup, we did that one too. Lol the first part, I mean. I will tap that out still today, when I'm trying to concentrate on something.
@LordChaosWing
20 күн бұрын
The Martian Mambo is *directly* referenced in this vid.
@GAJake
20 күн бұрын
@@LordChaosWing I know, that’s why I mentioned it
@LordChaosWing
20 күн бұрын
@@GAJake Aaaaah. Apologies. I misread your post.
@GAJake
20 күн бұрын
@@LordChaosWing its ok, sometimes many people comment before watching a video
@HugoArgentina
16 күн бұрын
Two things come to mind: 1. Charlie Chaplin's observation: "We think too much and feel too little." 2. Iain McGilchrist's hypothesis that we have created a culture that wires us to lean heavily into the hyper-analytical, decontextualized, rigid, and categorization-obsessed brain hemisphere.
@wheatthicks
14 күн бұрын
You might be overthinking this.
@bazzfromthebackground3696
13 күн бұрын
@@wheatthicksyou might be underthinking this.
@wheatthicks
13 күн бұрын
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 return to the background
@lazyjake1024
20 күн бұрын
New sungazer means new adam neely video breaking it down
@UndarZ
19 күн бұрын
🕺
@ambiention
19 күн бұрын
Came for for the geeky theory memes, stayed for Sungazer. I’ve listen to Perihelion A LOT over the last few years. Hyped for the new album!
@Ruija27
20 күн бұрын
That's basically Meshuggah as a band, isn't it. 4/4 underneath it all
@BigDaddyWes
20 күн бұрын
Gotta have a steady pulse or it's tough to actually lock in and groove with.
@hecksnek6158
20 күн бұрын
The stuff that isn't pseudo random anyways (I, Parts of Catch 33)
@matildagreene
20 күн бұрын
Yep, they play around with it a lot so it's hard to tell sometimes, but it all has a base of 4
@fuglsnef
20 күн бұрын
They use polymeter a lot. Check out Yogev Gabay for some good analysis of the rhythm in their songs.
@Default78334
20 күн бұрын
Yep, it's interesting how quickly the drum reactors all catch on to the Bleed drumcam, "Oh yeah, he's doing hertas on the kicks, snare hits on the one."
@txsphere
20 күн бұрын
Tuplet Chill. I have always thought it is a more descriptive name for this music. No matter how many notes are played it stills has a pulse of chill. Always good to see Adam.
@tmbgfan1234
20 күн бұрын
If you follow the adage "listen to the notes they are not playing," Sungazer is silence.
@bartolomeothesatyr
20 күн бұрын
Each string / synth oscillator / drum head / monophonic instrument is only producing one note at a time; on an instrument built for twelve-tone equal temperament, that's eleven notes they aren't playing even when they're playing continuously, which is to say nothing of octaves and microtones.
@gorak9000
19 күн бұрын
pending lawsuit from John Cage...
@bartolomeothesatyr
19 күн бұрын
@@gorak9000 😆
@PoseidonsAlley
20 күн бұрын
I love what the journal piece said about the connection created by the challenge; it's sort of an optimistic take on something that rides the fine line of meme-ification, and I think you drive the argument home with your perspective on "quoting" the phrase. Nicely done and thanks for the tuplet knowledge drop!
@Packbat
20 күн бұрын
Honestly, whatever the struggles in the club, I always find "simultaneously slow and fast" super fun when I'm sitting at home listening.
@LimeyLassen
20 күн бұрын
It's tough to dance to but it's great in video games
@tru7hhimself
20 күн бұрын
i'm not particularly fond of that sort of music and find it baffling how trap, which does fall into that category has become so popular. bass to fall asleep to with nervous hihats on top.
@revangerang
10 күн бұрын
Maybe it's because of the thing he talked about where music depends on how fast you can move your lower body to it? But if you aren't moving your lower body, it's a different experience? 🤔
@geek8342
15 күн бұрын
I don't know how you've managed to be *both* a meme figure and a genuinely respectable musician, but you've absolutely achieved that and it's super respectable :)
@cablebee8790
20 күн бұрын
On the crab statement, grouping into sub beats of 3 will always work in this “smoothing out” method because every number is either a multiple of 3 or 1 away from a multiple of three. The higher the number gets, the smaller the difference will be when smoothed out to 3/4 (100 will be 33, 34, and 33, and their ratios would likely be unnoticeable at every possible tempo).
@bcj842
20 күн бұрын
I'm thinking of what you're saying in terms of how a leap day "smooths out" our 365 day calendar. I don't know if that's a close analogy or not though lol.
@johndavidkromkowski816
14 күн бұрын
If you're old, Blue Rondo a la Turk, Kathy's Waltz, The Eleven, and Estimated Prophet covers it all.
@8Phoenix8
20 күн бұрын
When the world needed him most. “BASS!!” “REPETITION LEGITIMIZES X3” Welcome back Adam Neely.
@fransenmusic
20 күн бұрын
Adam Neely content drops are officially an event now
@paulweyer4339
20 күн бұрын
When you want to fight someone on a topic, but they break out "don't fight me on this."
@MrFrigid247
18 күн бұрын
What am I supposed to do with this counterpoint now!!
@isameno3916
7 күн бұрын
i went to look for their comment and they deleted it 😂
@azoysheyn
20 күн бұрын
The Belgrade concert was one of a kind, for sure! Thank you so much, I've never felt that much like one both with the music and with the crowd
@craigfrober316
20 күн бұрын
sungazer: but we wrote the song. social media: wrong!!
@InfinityLighthouse-kt7xj
14 күн бұрын
Hearing that the 7:11 video was in 2019 made me realize how long I’ve been watching Adam Neely, dang!
@zachleary108
20 күн бұрын
4/4 in 4k! Amazing metaphor. Kinda reminds me a little of Aphex Twin. Some of his most twisted break beats are in 4. Doesn't seem like it because the 1 is elusive but once you find it, it's as plain as day. Very cool lesson today Adam
@justin.booth.
20 күн бұрын
Can you give some examples?
@lewiji
20 күн бұрын
Big Aphex Twin fan but I don't think I know anything of his that isn't obviously 4/4. He uses a lot of syncopation, sure, but if you have any examples where it's not so obvious I'd love to know.
@klovexthewolf
20 күн бұрын
@@lewijiyeah me neither, *but* i think i get it as in, very detailed, (4k), rhythms in 4/4. also, drill n bass. fast, quick notes, but its "bob"abble (?) :P
@Sheerspeechcraft
20 күн бұрын
I'm so glad that you talk about Balkan music. I adore the prevalence of 7/8 and 9/8 rhythmd especially
@sourcerorCTS
20 күн бұрын
The band Consider The Source has been playing traditional Balkan tunes with Metal instruments for 20 years. They make some great compositions based on the concepts as well! Great video and great music.
@letrhysdance5926
20 күн бұрын
I've got a CTS neck tattoo. Listened to them for over 15 years
@trev0239
20 күн бұрын
pretty dope thanks for the tip!
@rdoursenaud
19 күн бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. I've gone to "just check them out", clicked on the first video result "Consider The Source Live at Relix Studio" and got immediately sucked in. I just finished listening to the full 1 hour and 40 minutes concert with my eyes closed. Damn!
@sourcerorCTS
19 күн бұрын
@@letrhysdance5926 I've never met you but I have Facebook stalked the hell out of you. You're the real deal. Thanks for saying hey! You rock!
@theoptimisticmetalhead7787
19 күн бұрын
Oh man, I've been listening to black metal for years and one of my favorite things about it is how tremolo picking can suddenly make me feel relaxed, calm, ethereal. A million notes a minute, but the pulse is still slow.
@witchfynder_finder
15 күн бұрын
Finally someone else who gets it! Atmospheric black metal and post-black metal are my go-to chillout music.
@theonden5041
20 күн бұрын
Writing something in 11/16 instead of writing out the subdivisions in 4/4 seems like a logical continuation of writing 12/8 instead of 4/4 with a lot of triplets.
@paulthemailman9915
16 күн бұрын
I was jamming to this in 3 and I thought I was going crazy until you mentioned it
@Dimitar_Tsanev
20 күн бұрын
Dude, come to Bulgaria next. There are people here that would absolutely eat your music up. Also, I have the feeling that even people who don't like traditional folk music (such as myself) still have a respect and a sort of natural understanding of it. Meaning that counting in 7,9,11 or 13 comes really naturally to many of us. I know I definitely would be trying to headbang to your music if you decide to come here.
@phelanii4444
19 күн бұрын
I'm Bosnian and I feel the same way about our traditional music, though I never learned to dance the kolo so I am kind of a bit of a failure lol I bet people better at it than me could dance kolo to their stuff 🤣
@Dimitar_Tsanev
19 күн бұрын
@@phelanii4444 Yeah, it makes sense that basically any person from the Balkans would feel a similar way. I believe Balkan music in general has a similar vibe with slight variation between smaller regions. After all it doesn't matter where something originated from when there's so much cross-pollination in this region and everything influenced and continues to influence everything else.
@AfiScruggsplaysbass
13 күн бұрын
I immediately thought about Balkan music.
@Keenath
17 күн бұрын
"You're all music majors so how can you be so wrong about this?" Dude if you find yourself saying this, the answer is that you have failed to understand something critical, not that all the experts are all Wrong.
@thomasrogers8239
20 күн бұрын
9:21 well repetition legitimizes
@Respectable_Username
20 күн бұрын
Literally was about to say the same thing but saw your comment already posted at the top of the comments section 😂
@An_Amazing_Login5036
20 күн бұрын
The thing with sheet music existed all the way back in classical music too: most Ländler-walzes are compositionally in 12/8 (or 4/4 for non-nerds) but due to some quirks of history they end up being notated in 3/4 where a bar takes the place of what would normally be a single beat.
@pepijnstreng4643
18 күн бұрын
What does it mean to be "compositionally" in a time signature though?
@Taib-Atte
20 күн бұрын
its in A/A because you got A note, and then you got A nother note
@LimeyLassen
20 күн бұрын
1/1: Allow me to introduce myself
@MikoRalphino
18 күн бұрын
time signatures aren't real
@twerdeffan1080
10 күн бұрын
The transition at 9:39 is genius. Great video, this is some of your best work!
@BensBrickDesigns
20 күн бұрын
Been watching you for years and while I'm a failed musical theater kid, I'm now a LEGO adult. So...yeah, I liked seeing the bricks & minifigs. :)
@LeeroyJanky
20 күн бұрын
I also think of the Knower song, "It's All Nothing Until It's Everything" It's a very simple 4/4 rhythm, but it consists of a constant triplet beat for the first 3 and 2/3rds beats of each measure. So many people mistook it for being a complex meter. It's such a simple beat, but the legato triplets are really effective
@mr.garcia9239
20 күн бұрын
Omg Adam Neely just dropped a new video
@malagoke
20 күн бұрын
You can literally project 4/4 on the unit circle and do full fourier analysis with the tuplets. I worked this out for my self in the last couple years: You can dynamically split any base 4 type and use arithmetics and intuition to work out complex patterrns, where you switch the 1 between both hands, depending whether you come from on- or off-beat, while you try to switch inbetween everytime you do a chord change or other higher order structures like shuffles.
@malagoke
20 күн бұрын
But in fact, you could extend this for every n/n beat. You might want to ask me what modulo arithmetics for other characteristics are as well.
@swagilyph
20 күн бұрын
everything evolving to 3/4 was interesting to me because the older I get the more I find 3/4 or any meter felt in 3s to feel better than meters of 4
@gorak9000
19 күн бұрын
I'm not sure you get it in this genre of music, but I've played some "modern classical" where it's notated in 6/4, but it really feels like it's in 3/4, and I really don't at all understand why they chose to write it in 6 instead - it just makes multi-bar rests hard to count (unless you just give up and count twice as many bars in 3)
@chroniclesofsunshine4484
7 күн бұрын
At 16:22 that song I was groovin in a slooow 5/4 , and he’s like “it’s obviously in 3 “…… I love this !
@ebmusicman84
20 күн бұрын
15-tuplets at 60bpm be like shooting speed into one arm and horse tranquilizer into the other one. 🤣🤣
@1TakoyakiStore
20 күн бұрын
I love the feel of 3/4 or 6/8 time signatures, especially when duplets are used, but a little known band called Signal Hill really loves their 8/8 and I've come to appreciate it. Gives a more narrative quality to music that a lot of music these days seems to be lacking. Two of their songs that come to mind are "Pacific Northwest" and "Standby, Sir."
@th3p0ndsh4rk
20 күн бұрын
At the 11:17 section I was literally thinking, "wait that's like Martian mambo" and then he said it and I felt so smart
@DTPVH
17 күн бұрын
7:39 That’s what I love so much about Perihelion though. It has become my standard relaxation music because I can totally zone in to it and really feel it. Not good for long car rides though.
@HighFiveTheHorizon
20 күн бұрын
If it helps you in any way with the self-respect: That 7:11 breakdown is justified simply for the fact that it absolutely slaps.
@diacoal2433
20 күн бұрын
What you're talking about at 19:14 (shifting between different n-tuplets while keeping a constant pulse) is found in "Restless Boy" by Pain of Salvation. The end is basically a massive 4/4 groove alternating between quintuplets and septuplets. Really cool effect in my opinion
@BenRichards227
18 күн бұрын
Shifting between 7- and 11-tuplets... *yawns in drum corps*
@BenRichards227
18 күн бұрын
Shifting between 7- and 11-tuplets... *yawns in drum corps*
@AviatoreGK
20 күн бұрын
4:09 Meshuggah without distortion be like
@paxson2000
20 күн бұрын
“Jared Yi takes a massive… saxophone solo”
@johnny141093
20 күн бұрын
As a Maths teacher and musician I love that you mentioned subitising!
@antiskill2012
20 күн бұрын
The paradox of hypertuplets killing the momentum of a set is similar to something you get with extreme high-speed dance genres like splittercore. Sure, it’s supposed to be 1000+ bpm, but it just ends up feeling like a constant wall of 16th or 32nd note kicks. For my personal tastes, 250 bpm is roughly the maximum speed for constant 4/4 kicks before they all sound like subdivisions no matter the context.
@AdamNeely
18 күн бұрын
That’s exactly what the music psychology research suggests! 240-250bpm is roughly the fastest embodied pulse.
@wigglytby
3 күн бұрын
As someone who has listened to a lot of speedcore and other fast music, i notice that a lot of well-made speedcore sounds fast because it still is fast. Despite the BPM being an unreasonable 880, there are a lot of musical cues that direct the listener towards a still-quite-fast 220 BPM. A song like Camellia's "Hello (BPM) 2021" still sounds lively and energetic because the other elements of the song reduce it to a more palatable tempo (just barely) of around 250. Other songs at such high tempos might not reinforce the human-scale tempo as well, resulting in what sounds like tempoless noise. On the other hand, this can actually work to the benefit of the song. One of my favorite extratone songs, "Singularity at 2.64e+6 BPM" by Kobaryo doesn't provide as many clues to reduce its massive BPM of 2,640,000, but instead uses the hyperspeed kick drums to create an incredibly high-pitched melody above a tranquil backing that doesnt sound like it has even a triple digit BPM, much less a SEVEN-digit one.
@jonsible
20 күн бұрын
"I'm like a wide 4/4" is going to do gangbusters on my dating profile.
@Pertinacissimus
20 күн бұрын
Music theory on this channel melts my brain, and its clear Adam and his band have mad skills, but I found it hard to groove to any this at all. Something about it makes my brain "itch" and it's somehow unsettling. Anyone else? Bueller?
@bartolomeothesatyr
20 күн бұрын
I'm with you. I enjoy learning from Adam's videos, but I kinda perceive Sungazer's music like the auditory equivalent of ghost peppers -- too spicy to enjoy unadulterated. It needs some heavy cream to coat the tongue, metaphorically speaking.
@DeltaEntropy
20 күн бұрын
I can vibe to it but I’m also a jazz guy so I’m used to the spice, so to speak. I can understand it being too rhythmically confusing if you’re used to mostly 4/4, or other common odd time signatures like 3/4 and even 7/4.
@LordChaosWing
20 күн бұрын
Yeah, but the itch is nice! It's unfamiliar and surprising!
@bartolomeothesatyr
19 күн бұрын
@@DeltaEntropy It's not so much that it's confusing, it just doesn't elicit an emotional response beyond an abstract appreciation for the obvious skill required to produce it. I hear it, but I don't feel it.
@jaredlancaster4137
19 күн бұрын
@@DeltaEntropyit's not that it's rhythmically confusing, it's that the subdivisions are too fast and too fine to be practically rhythm at all. Like he said in the video, the subdivisions tighter than 100ms cease to have any real rhythmic meaning. I'm not confused, I know exactly what's happening. What's happening is rhythmic ambiguity. Free time over 4/4.
@switch1e
20 күн бұрын
New Adam Neely WE EATING GOOD
@tunamelts7875
20 күн бұрын
Vid title immediately (if not soon) brings me back almost 30 years ago to a whacked out John Frusciante interview in Guitar Player; anyway, great work!!: Frusciante: I hired a guy, paid him like $20, 000, and together we transcribed “Usually Just A T-Shirt” for string quartet. It was difficult for him; I had to correct every page he did. I hadn’t done transcribing in a while, but it all came back to me right away, surprisingly. The guy would write three pages of 4/4, 5/8, 7/16, 5/4. He would write all these time signatures, and I’m going, “No, that’s just 4/4, man,” and he’d go, “No, there’s no way that could be 4/4.” He didn’t believe that if you counted “1,” then wait like 30 seconds, “2,” then wait 30 secs, “3”… you know, like, if you counted at a really slow pace it ends up on 4, which means that you can write every measure in 4/4, going across the time signatures, which are really just accents. He just tripped out. There were a bunch of things that he didn’t think were possible that cosmically ended up that way. It’s really trippy-looky on paper.
@violet_broregarde
20 күн бұрын
I liked the image with 2 cops more than the image with 3 cops because it has less cops in it
@revangerang
10 күн бұрын
? That's a mechanic, a security guard, and Some Guy tm
@FarcreekMusic
18 күн бұрын
Adam, just to say, this is an incredible video. Inspirational, and making these complex concepts so clear. Both you and Sungazer are doing so much for music, thanks man.
@P1OOD
20 күн бұрын
68 missed calls from Tigran Hamasyan
@jayd5836
20 күн бұрын
I saw someone somewhere describe Sungazer as "Liminal Jazz" and I think that ambiguity described early on in the video (do i feel the fast bit or the slow bit?) is what contributes most to that. The melodies y'all write for Sungazer sort of soar over the beats sometimes while other times they lock in. It reminds me or Ligeti's Clocks and Clouds concept. Super inspiring on every level.
@orngejoos
20 күн бұрын
The rule of odds is the reason why 6 piece nuggets should always include an extra 7th nugget!
@KieraQ0323
20 күн бұрын
Every other one should have 5
@eleminator_pro
7 күн бұрын
Bro, Adam, I HAVE SOOOO MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU! Dont worry - you are one of the best for me tho🙏🏼
@kjwalker1315
20 күн бұрын
Santa Clara Vanguard mentioned!
@TwoEcksKay
8 күн бұрын
The bit where you first mentioned 7:11 polyrhythms felt like the punchline to all the years I've been watching your channel. EDIT: I want to emphasize, I mean that in the best way! Like this is something that has been built up to, with all of us unaware, and finally that realization hit as it all came full circle.
@LeoPerantoni
20 күн бұрын
oh hey im in the adam neely video in 21:23
@m-yday
18 күн бұрын
there's something about your videos that shows me something. It really gives a way for the audience to _really_ connect with a song. It introduces a concept that is used in the song, introduces the story of the song, and introduces the song in a way that doesn't feel forced and doesn't feel like an ad, since we're learning something we wanted to learn anyways, and the song is just a good example. I always end up really feeling a song after watching a video like this. I think the first example of this from your videos for me (that I can remember) is Shubh Saran's Slip. It still vibes with me hard to this day I fear mentioning this, because I know if people start using this as a means to promote themselves first, with the education second, it will begin to feel flat and soulless like so many advertising 'trends' and techniques. But I've noticed it for a while now and do really appreciate the way you do it
@a_person-qy9ju
20 күн бұрын
Earlier today I was listening to someone talking about non-Western music attuned people hear Western music as marching music, all stiff and 4/4 and thud thud thud thud. Then I see this video. It's a sign! Time to revisit the lovely 7/4 piece I accidentally came up with a while ago!
@briandpaul8134
20 күн бұрын
thanks for this upload, it reminded me how good of a drummer Shawn actually is
@kekleon-Gamer
20 күн бұрын
I'm a simple man: I see an Adam Neely video, I click it.
@brandonhenderson9118
20 күн бұрын
Facts😂
@shryggur
20 күн бұрын
Click repeatedly in hyper-tuplets no less
@papa-cbootykilla6950
16 күн бұрын
@nicholasthayer5076
20 күн бұрын
Incredibly inspiring as ever! I would challenge you on one thing (nothing to do with counting). The differentiation between 'meme' music and 'serious' music is I think a false dichotomy. As Christopher Small might say, the seriousness is in the quality of the shared musicking, and thus I would argue both 7:11 polyrhythms and Sungazer are equally 'serious'. Thanks again for the super thoughtful content Adam!
@lukamiler5824
18 күн бұрын
I really like how you explained that the music we're used to hearing is the music the whole western world has been making for hundreds of years. From the old standards that we're chosen because of the beauty in their mathematical representation. It's time we make new music. Advance the whole field to a new level. Unlearning 4/4 to open up to new possibilities is probably the first step in that direction.
@delarkaBCN
20 күн бұрын
"all music is in 4/4" has the same energy of "verything is a dildo if youre brave enough"
@dwest9353
15 күн бұрын
I once asked tosin abasi what his favourite time sig was and he said all their music was 4/4 with weird feels. This taught me lots about weird time signatures. Basically exactly what you're saying in this vid.
@JM-td2qb
20 күн бұрын
Wait its all 4/4??? Adam Neely: Always has been...
@rodrigovieirastudies
17 күн бұрын
I've always been a fan of making odds sound natural and work around 4/4 overall. Your work has been inspirational for sure. I usually try not to extend the same measure the whole song.
@StaticR
20 күн бұрын
I once tried to compose something with using a random number generator every measure to determine the time signature. turns out with half the numbers being divisable by 2 its just 4/4 with slightly wonky beats every now and then.
@LimeyLassen
20 күн бұрын
Music nerds are like: All numbers that exist are boring!
@k.c.simonsen2
19 күн бұрын
That 7-11 Polyrhythm challenge was so cool. Love when people come together and contribute to something interesting and intelligent like that instead of the usual Tik-Tok challenges we see that are lame and.. dangerous lol.
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