Feels kinda weird to be here after seeing you comment for years on my page tho lol
@2teethPogZa
5 ай бұрын
Yooooo it’s DEFYN
@randomdeath9207
5 ай бұрын
If the Lord DEFYN himself comments you know you have made it, I myself spent about 500 hours in arcade before going to RB and feeling confident, here i am at 5000k and 10 years lol
@Siddich
5 ай бұрын
@@DEFYNheard there are some people putting tutorials on youtube. he probably meant spiflyer, joob, jengar…that‘s it🫣🤪
@RubberyDuckkery867
6 ай бұрын
once you get to top tier, you realize that lowtier was where the real fun was.
@peosio96
6 ай бұрын
I honestly find top tier way more fun. But that’s just my preference.
@BullDeerAryu_
6 ай бұрын
Props are where it’s at
@kahel5820
6 ай бұрын
Honestly, my account is 10yrs old, and I don't even have a single top tier at any tree(well, I had back when maus was top-tier..) but addition of atgm, then quided bombs and plane rockets made top tier shitshow that I won't touch. I stick to max early cold war things. And rly sometimes try a jet or mbt just to say that sucks and is no fun for me. And spoiler - I do have fun at lower br(and also frustration since it's still War Thunder xD) I had a year pause from the game due to early mbt and jet grind shitfest and just recently got back with a mindset - don't touch high br
@A-Warthog-cc1wm
6 ай бұрын
@@peosio96same here, but I guess we are the minority 🤷♂️
@peosio96
6 ай бұрын
@@A-Warthog-cc1wm yeah to each their own. But I’ll stick to my Leo 2s and T80s. See you in the fields 🫡
@norfangl3480
6 ай бұрын
"The junk merchant doesn't sell his product to the consumer, he sells the consumer to his product. He does not improve and simplify his merchandise. He degrades and simplifies the client." - William S. Burroughs
@VarenvelDarakus
5 ай бұрын
Once you realise investors are the client and players are product a lot starts to make sense
@badideagenerator2315
5 ай бұрын
@@VarenvelDarakus a problem across the entirety of the videogame industry.
@VarenvelDarakus
5 ай бұрын
@@badideagenerator2315 AAA industry and some AA , i mostly play indie games
@MozzaBurger88
5 ай бұрын
@@badideagenerator2315 Not only the videogame industry. This is the way with modern-era consumerism.
@Ido_TV_Eye
3 ай бұрын
Never thought I'd see a William Burroughs quote on a War Thunder KZitem video.
@Big_.Sunlandia
6 ай бұрын
Man, I'm saying that, that "Target Destroyed" does neuron activation.
@Rosaslav
6 ай бұрын
Recently I found out, you can turn it off in settings. It felt weird for sure:)
@_Heckler
6 ай бұрын
@@Rosaslavwhy remove dopamine hits?
@riley_ae86
6 ай бұрын
@@Rosaslavgetting rid of the only source of dopamine would kill me
@manapotu6623
6 ай бұрын
there is similar things on most popular games,like the minion dying and giving you gold sound in league,but i think i'll never know how it feels since i play most of my games without sound on,or only the required sounds for the gameplay, japanese female death sounds for league is an exception to this of course.
@redtarget5275
6 ай бұрын
Based take.@@manapotu6623
@samwise7538
3 ай бұрын
75 dollars for something that isn't even an actual simulation of the aircraft is absolutely insane.
@Youda00008
3 ай бұрын
Absolutely, especially compared to something like the fully modeled F-14 in DCS.
@alexsis8980
3 ай бұрын
Is 75 dollars a lot for you? For me they cost russian 4500 rubles, 1/10 of my monthly salary, or 2 working days, which is a lot.
@saffrontunic
3 ай бұрын
@@alexsis89804500 russian rubles are only 50 USA dollars ☠️☠️☠️
@m1xt4pez11
3 ай бұрын
@@alexsis8980 75 dollars is about the price of a new AAA game, such as Call of Duty, and is about 1/25 of the monthly minimum wage in my area.
@LunarMARAUDER
3 ай бұрын
@@alexsis8980 Yes it is
@GipsyDanger41
6 ай бұрын
mig 15 vs sabre was the peak of war thunder
@varesin2978
6 ай бұрын
I wish i was playing back thenz
@nicojokelin5547
6 ай бұрын
still could be but there are op supersonics at that tier
@varesin2978
6 ай бұрын
Nothing more pleasant than figting a Mig-19 or an F-104 :D It's such a waste of time quite often. They just avoid You. And You cannot blame them for playing their strengths tbf :d
@GipsyDanger41
6 ай бұрын
@@varesin2978mig 19 is prolly my fav plane in the entire game , you can just energy fight everything. poeple who avoid fighting with the 19 are pussies fr fr. unfortunately 9ls and r60ms ruin that entire BR bracket for me, its just not fun anymore unless you dont get uptiered (which happened 8/10 games for me).
@varesin2978
6 ай бұрын
@@GipsyDanger41 Hell yeah man :D Similar feelings here. It's my #1 total wins jet, not by much tho. As for killing, I find it hard to execute a kill, you have to work quite hard to get one. In other words I'd say it holds it's energy too well sometimes haha. Learning MiG-21MF was pain in my butt at first, coming from the 19. Right now I probably like 21 the most, it's kinda the first jest with good enough rockets and it's br is really good imo with it's performance. But still, MiG-19 is awesome. Gonna play a game or two with that in a bit, lol
@flashmann7859
6 ай бұрын
"Either in cash or your soul" ... I felt that 💀
@therealspeedwagon1451
6 ай бұрын
I play War Thunder ✅ I have money ✅ I’m not mentally deranged ❌ I play War Thunder ❌ I have money ✅ I’m not mentally deranged ✅ I play War Thunder ✅ I have money ❌ I’m not mentally deranged ✅
@strf90105
6 ай бұрын
I play War Thunder ✅ I have money ❌ I’m not mentally deranged ❌
@Jaeger-01
6 ай бұрын
I play War Thunder ❌ I have money ❌ I'm not mentally deranged ❌
@notfinn1583
6 ай бұрын
He said he couldn’t speak for ground but ground is even worse
@Bruno-cb5gk
6 ай бұрын
@@notfinn1583IDK, IMO it's much easier to learn and even a bad tank is much more viable than a bad plane so P2W is less of an issue. The grind is pain, stock vehicles are a scam, but the lower tiers are more fun anyway.
@yers7638
6 ай бұрын
I play War Thunder✅ I have money❌ I'm not mentally deranged ✅
@darwinmk2616
4 ай бұрын
It’s ironic that during this video 2 ads displayed, and both was war thunder ads, one mobile and one regular xD
@gdutfulkbhh7537
3 ай бұрын
Who doesn't adblock in 2024? Ouch.
@darwinmk2616
3 ай бұрын
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 i turn It off on channels which i want to support
@Grug-xi8fv
3 ай бұрын
@@gdutfulkbhh7537my adblocker doesn’t work
@williamdoody
2 ай бұрын
lol same exact ads for me. And I’m on my phone so I can’t skip lol.
@Temperius
Ай бұрын
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 youtube removed adblock for me
@saltycracker2344
5 ай бұрын
My friend was really frustrated because he couldn't get any kills in air RB and he got constantly killed by XP-50's. He just didn't know what to do against them despite constant advice and help, he just kept making the same mistakes and getting more frustrated. At one point he just bought the XP-50 and his first match with it went the same, but now it was an A6M who killed him in a dogfight. He deleted the game and never played since.
@soysauce4087
4 ай бұрын
Did he ever bother to learn the mechanics of the game? I’ve had tons of people try to turn fight my Zero, yet if they speed away and just boom and zoom me. I’d be dead meat.
@thomasseeley8124
4 ай бұрын
This is fucking hilarious
@Yayaloy9
4 ай бұрын
almost the same experience except i search mine up and discover i could just dive away and roll tf out of those xp50 in the bf109
@Conserpov
4 ай бұрын
_> he couldn't get any kills_ Likely because his hits were disabled serverside. _> At one point he just bought the XP-50_ Exactly. "A frustrated player is more likely to buy premiums", and Gaijin won't leave that to chance. They have a patented algorithm.
@jonnybgoode7742
3 ай бұрын
@@Conserpov "hits were deactivated serverside" you have no idea the comfort it brings me to read this. The amount of times I've been dumbfounded by... thank you.
@SlimeJime
6 ай бұрын
it's pretty wild that the most engaging air combat mode is actually in ground rb
@thomasseeley8124
3 ай бұрын
Meh, ground sim takes way more focus and knowledge of vehicles than realistic. Have you not tried it?
@Druark
3 ай бұрын
@@thomasseeley8124 Sim also wastes a ton of time with travelling. That's the issue. It's just not worth it because of the grind.
@georgeerhard1949
3 ай бұрын
I agree, RB is a nice 'balance' between the zero handholding of sim mode, and the "just let me shoot things" dopamine fix of Arcade.
@deremjool8043
3 ай бұрын
@@DruarkMaybe at the lowest tiers, yeah, but once you get to the faster props and Korean War Era planes, it's not that bad. Sim is peak War Thunder, IMO
@arandomperson5649
3 ай бұрын
lower tier sim is horrible because of the large maps, and to find enemies u need to visually find the enemy, and not every player has a gpu with wide monitors
@Gimergames
6 ай бұрын
“They go back to bombing…….but now in a cool jet” lol☠️
@superspies32
6 ай бұрын
That's what B2 Spirit of German do to all US and USSR tanks in ground RB. Nothing has turret rotate or firing speed at its br to completely shutdown those German jets, they just roam free and ammo racked everyone.
@HiLower
5 ай бұрын
@@superspies32you just described cas in ground rb...fuckin stupid addition
@tieroneoperator635
5 ай бұрын
Just look around. F-16 Block 5 with bombs. Mig29 with bombs. Su-27 with bombs. It's like taking best dogfighters and using the in the worst way possible and there's even no outcome from that. What's the point of having fancy BVR fighter with insane TWR and missile that roast US-main by their existence alone IF these cockpit filler don't know how to use them. Top Cringe
@handlemonium
5 ай бұрын
@@tieroneoperator635I like my Bv238 and Pe-8 thank you ❤👌
@jansidor1851
5 ай бұрын
@@tieroneoperator635 Step 1 get a top tier jet step 2 unlock bombs asap step 3 bomb then little pvp until spaded step 4 PVP
@TheGuyYouLostTo
6 ай бұрын
The Sniper Elite slow-mo at the start💀
@Hpa513
5 ай бұрын
Nutcracking 50cal
@dretax14
3 ай бұрын
Sniper Elite imo is just as trash as war thunder lolz
@Nictator42
5 ай бұрын
A good thing for new players to remember is that air combat _really_ isn't a genre for everyone. Its a sim game, or well, its tryna be a sim game, at least. And sim games are generally hobbyist games with a very steep learning curve that expect new players to bring in a fair amount of pre-existing knowledge. War thunder is honestly more popular than its native playerbase would ever have been due to its skinner box design and disingenuous marketing.
@Mortales0092
Ай бұрын
In reality it brings with it players who wanted an arcade mixed with realistic. War thunder is not that realistic as dcs is realistic to excessive levels and therefore limits itself on some mechanics that can work. The real problem with the game is on the economic side that pushes you to grind and get planes that you will never use or have no intention of using. Not to mention the fact that it makes you face vehicles that have never faced each other and adding nations with vehicles that in turn must be unlocked. The system worked in 2015 but today it is practically impossible and harmful for a new player and for this reason even if it had positive reviews, the player tries it and then leaves it before even reaching Era 2. It also has a problem between modes since you have no way to practice for RBs, you switch from arcade to realism with one click and this does not allow new players to train. Finally, its marketing system is dishonest and indefensible. It hides behind the word f2p but if you want to see Era 8 you have to pay. I doubt people spend 500+ hours on it just to see the REAL part of the game and the part they continually sponsor.
@fjoa123
4 ай бұрын
you forgot to speak about crew exp. If you fly a shiny jet fighter with your lv. 01 crew they will most likely faint on the first sharp turn you make at mach 1.2, lose control and crash.
@famulanrevengeance3044
Күн бұрын
I'm not sure but 'g force tolerance' is not just that, but straight up makes your plane maneuvre better always. There's some real 'hidden mechanic' bullshit in WT for no reason. Gaijin has got to sweep over everything and explain things properly.
@ayoruxramoscortes9509
6 ай бұрын
When I started to play 6 years ago I reffused to get out of rank 2 until I could get 5 kills on air rb, just because I hated the idea of becoming a liability for the team, It worked, one I got to higher tiers I just needed to understand missile mechanics, then the phamtom got added, I learned to operate the radar, then variable geometry planes, and so on...and then I see this lvl 5 players at 12.0 and it grinds my gears when they don't even know the basics, so yea, war thunder profits on players frustration with no options to help them improve on the game itself, I'll always hate them for that.
@hunormagyar1843
6 ай бұрын
I like that. I figured a while ago (mainly after getting my hands on Il-2 1946 and realized how obscure, early aircraft are just as interesting, if not more so, than modern jets) that quick grinding is not something to strive for and only causes frustration. Learning about obscure early war WW2 aircraft is a nice aspect of WT on its own. While I am something of a German main, I make sure to play every other country as well. It gives me quite a bit of knowledge on the abilities of my foes as well. Same goes for everything else WT offers, from tanks to whatever. No matter the BR, WT won't get any funner or easier. BRs are designed so roughly equally good vehicles fight together, everything else is up to your skill and wits.
@Salamandra40k
6 ай бұрын
I used to walk a balance beam of getting banned and staying active just to be able to TK low-level players at high BRs. If I'm in my jet and had to grind my way to it, you need to as well. Mommy shouldnt be able to buy it for you. Whats even worse is when people go "haha funny memes" and bring their level 10 friend into a top tier game and all they have is a biplane. Like genuinely actually just go unplug your computer, because you obviously arent using it for anything remotely good
@draketurtle4169
5 ай бұрын
@@Salamandra40kleast toxic warthunder “player”
@Wrzerq
5 ай бұрын
@@Salamandra40k Game is full of idiots like you, that start a match from TK and I would say that this is by far more serious problem than noob in a premium or an occasional troll in low BR plane. Take your own advice and unplug your computer.
@tyler3372
5 ай бұрын
Lol you dork@@Salamandra40k
@dandelion4523
6 ай бұрын
Firing a dumb rocket alone in Air Realistic battle needs a tutorial. Gaijin thinks its a good idea to hide tutorials in a convoluted way, like you need a tutorial just to play tutorials in the game. Good video, man.
@Enteropy23
6 ай бұрын
tf you mean it needs atutorial all you gotta do is fire the rocket
@unfazedmc5734
6 ай бұрын
@@Enteropy23 you ever try to shoot tanks with prop rockets?
@Enteropy23
6 ай бұрын
@@unfazedmc5734 i take down air vehicles with prop rockets
@therealspeedwagon1451
6 ай бұрын
Not even arcade helps you with firing rockets. You just have to pray to RNJesus that you get a kill with a rocket. I’ve only ever killed a plane with a rocket ONCE. I just wish arcade gave you CCIP for rockets.
@Enteropy23
6 ай бұрын
@@therealspeedwagon1451 arcade gives you infinite ammo if you miss get over it use your guns and wait for the reload
@BestShifty
5 ай бұрын
I still remember when you unlocked whole tiers instead of individual planes. Those were the golden times. From there on it was just downhill.
@echodelta2172
3 ай бұрын
Back in 2013 when the entire tree was less than 50 planes for most nations. My 109F-4s were my pride and joy.
@thibautsaye6391
Ай бұрын
Well i used to do some bombing in 2013 with the catalina only because i liked the plane . I can tell they even nerfed that, the bomb used to be pinpoint acuracy now they all miss by atleast 15m. I'm a pure fighter rn tbh
@pwn3d_07
5 ай бұрын
"this is not csgo, everybody knows how 2 play fps games" the bro never joined a combat surf server
@noni1285
3 ай бұрын
??? how is that comparable to normal cs?
@pwn3d_07
3 ай бұрын
@@noni1285 that's the thing it is not. you can pretty much fly arround the map and clip through hidden walls and gain like infinite speed. if you never played surf, you pretty much end up in a cage and get devestated by automatic shotguns flying arround aimlocking you. this is most likely the place where you end up when you are bored of the normal game.
@obligatoryedgeworthenjoyer
6 ай бұрын
2015 player here, the Korean War era of top tier was genuinely, the most enjoyable thing I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing in this game. That feeling of finally, reaching the apex, finally sharpening my skills into perfection to fight against some of the most skilled players in the game, reaching synergy with my aircraft, using it's strengths while avoiding it's weaknesses. It was addicting getting aces left and right in my F-86F-2. Now, I would like to get back to that... I miss the thrill, and the people there. Wonder where they are now... Cheers to the fallen Kings of the Sky. o7
@warhawk4494
6 ай бұрын
I used to play on Ps4 back in 2016 and those were better times. I never made it to the migs and sabers. But i was almost there before my Ps4 died on me. Fly high and good hunting o7
@mmxiv09
6 ай бұрын
We are in the prop world! At least for me though... I usually stay at 6.7 and below... I miss those times when my Mig-15bis and Cl-13 was top tier, who knows maybe we even fought together back in the day (:
@theminorityshack7071
6 ай бұрын
man i feel old, I started in 2012-13
@lazylime8046
6 ай бұрын
2013 player here, we've mostly moved into other games. Those that stayed play props or naval now.
@gian.4388
5 ай бұрын
Despite tons of people disliking the "pixel hunting" that sometimes Ground Forces turned to back then, at the very least it wasn't the random shitshow that it is now after they changed shells to be volumetric but not the tanks' armors You can shoot a 128mm shell against a light tanks 30mm thick mantlet and the round bounces because the edge of the shell barely scraped the part where 2 armor plates meet, thus the system counts the armor as being some 250mms or something, or sometimes you shoot the front armor of a BMP with 350+ mm pen APFSDS and the round just bounces because the system is completely fucked and Gaijin still doesn't bother fixing it after 4 years But hey, most players don't seem bothered by the fact that their shots have high chances of failing because the system is fucked, they just accept it and moved on, sad to see and a large reason I don't play the game anymore
@koukou8507
6 ай бұрын
The funny part is that the game followed the air combat evolution. First was all pilot skill, them after some time is basically who has the best missile and can fire it first. Sadly i think it would be inevitable, with newer and newer planes, one day the skill wouldnt matter that much.
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
Active radar missiles coming next patch, can't wait!
@therealspeedwagon1451
6 ай бұрын
Pretty soon they will add stealth planes like the F-35 and SU-57 that won’t even show up on radar and are so easy to fly that even noobs can learn them. The F-35 literally babies its pilots compared to other planes.
@SilverionX
6 ай бұрын
In the physical world, the reason planes are made easier to fly is not so anyone can fly them, it's to free the pilot up to focus on all the other areas of a combat like situational awareness and the slew of information they're receiving and sending to other pilots and command. It still takes skill, just a different sort of skill.
@superspies32
6 ай бұрын
And finally the buff/nerfs. GJ buff and nerf due to win rate, not due to other stats. So if you joined 6.7br in tank RB, suddenly you are moving and the Me-262 come, BOOM you got ammo racked just because the jet passthrough and the air it created has penetration nearly 200-300mm. You respawned on SPAA to be BOOOOOM again because those Jets fly faster than your turret trajectory. Worst of all the flak ammo on SPAA did not set to range but set to only detonated on nearly enemies so goodluck trying to guess the range. Then if you played USSR, you want jets too, its Su-9 but since 4.0br no one play Arcade battle for air anymore and you have to join the hell of grind to Su-9, there are no other exception even buy one with your money because there are no other jets on 6.5-7.0br anymore.
@TackshooterOG
6 ай бұрын
@@therealspeedwagon1451imagine being such a moron that you say something like this without the skill to fly a regular plane much less a stealth fighter smh. Speedwagon must be code for meth rotting your brain.
@btoiscool
6 ай бұрын
I always hate when people go "this is a PVP game" as that gives the snail every excuse not to make ground pounding actually engaging/enjoyable. It's a combined arms simulator.
@unfazedmc5734
6 ай бұрын
i agree that this should be a combined arms game, but there is no real gamemode that makes pvp OR combined arms enjoyable (and is accessible) rb is filled with bombers that don't contribute to victories, and pvp is too crowded to enjoy it truth of the matter is, war thunder just doesn't cater enough to the specific sects of the community, and so they all get thrown into a cluster where nothing past jets is really fun anymore
@objectsupr9970
6 ай бұрын
Wait, I'm meant to be having fun?
@TheDgamesD
6 ай бұрын
big agree, i started playing the game long before tanks years ago because i was in love with ground strike aircraft like the A-20, B-17’s SBD-3’s and to this day i feel like they’re neglected on tasks and missions to do :( i want to feel the rush of weaving through mountain ranges in a strike mission to hit a target and get home safely! not dogfight in a pile of planes for 2 minutes ;v;
@notfinn1583
6 ай бұрын
I agree, air combat sometimes just sucks especially because so many planes are leagues better and you get games where you get 3rd partied again and again and again
@ItzCPU_
6 ай бұрын
I agree!
@GrandHeresiarch
4 ай бұрын
I preferred sticking in the bottom tier 1 and 2 stuff just because both the speed and stakes were low. I could do silly things and not worry about being punished too much in a loss.
@methus9812
3 ай бұрын
i played Ground RB for the past 5 years and it took me those 5 years to see what the gameplay loop consisted of and what i was working towards: Faster combat (one mistake and you're dead) and getting rekt by CAS bombers. Everything i see from War Thunder now reminds me of this and i'm glad that keeps me away from playing (and suffering) again.
@cslpchr
6 ай бұрын
what im really bothered by is that, in top tier air RB, theres no real strategic use in bombing bases. theyre only sparsely defended, incur no additional penalty or response from the other team, besides draining a portion of their tickets and comparatively offer really meager rewards compared to killing players or even AI air targets. If there was some strategic use of bombing bases, like some additional AI fighters spawning that actively hunt down enemy players, or if they were actually defended by SAM systems like in Helicopter PVE, there would be some team play needed to get them destroyed. but as theyre right now, bases are a really underdeveloped mechanic of this game. Maybe add some more dangerous units around them so people will actually have to fight to get their bombs in or have someone distract or destroy enemy sam systems so the bombers can do their job. Or add some hardened targets that need stuff like guided bombs or armor piercing agms to destroy to them. maybe also add physical buildings to the base that need to be destroyed for the base to take damage and not just let it get damaged by blowing up a field next to it. There is a portion of the playerbase that want bombing bases to be a lot more technical, like air combat.
@superspies32
6 ай бұрын
I agree, the airfield on air battles on high tier should have AA missiles with radar and even ECM reinforced. Also the spawn of tank battles should have Pillbox with anti tank weapons to prevent spawn camping.
@Burger19985
6 ай бұрын
dear god no i beg of thee to not bring back mid map aa
@B.D.E.
4 ай бұрын
It's a massively lacking part of the game that hasn't been touched in like over a decade.
@leonardobonanno5115
6 ай бұрын
Very well put, as a player that started in 2015 I totally agree with the points you made. I have never spent real money on the game and don't really play often but it's pretty sad that the days where skill mattered in top tier jets is long gone. I remember when the whole deal was F-86 vs. Mig-17 vs. Hunter vs. CL.13 and we had no premium jets.
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
Don't cry because it's gone, smile because it happened ❤️
@СергейНикольский-я2ц
6 ай бұрын
Low and top tier SB are still fun and req skill but even there are players that say: “Don’t kill me, I’m brainless bot and all I know and want is to fly straight to bomb bases”, well they actually say just “PVE” but I think it is the same
@Lurphy08
6 ай бұрын
I use a su25 in sim and idgaf abt pve or not, My main goal is to bomb and win but if I see any1 ill actively engage like how we should@@СергейНикольский-я2ц
@Chris-hw4mq
6 ай бұрын
I cant destroy my soul grinding this. Its a good game but still not worth it.
@fabioartoscassone9305
6 ай бұрын
@@Liniyka u are talking about air battles at top tier. u must to see the idiocy dominating the middle-tier in tank battles. i've never seen a bunch of idiots like those i meet every single game
@Sr_Sem
6 ай бұрын
10:10 They can't scam me if I have nothing.
@PrinceofPwnage
4 ай бұрын
I only want top tier jets to play in a private sim lobby in VR
@ryan742
4 ай бұрын
You got to the root issues without nitpicking at the details. Excellent, honest guide for new players!
@Liniyka
4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@ceremyjlarkson9475
6 ай бұрын
I have a deranged amount of hours in this game, and THANK YOU. Very well done, very well put together. Exactly put together the primary issues with this game for new players.
@_Heckler
6 ай бұрын
i have like 600 hours i've been playing for about a year
@ToreDL87
6 ай бұрын
@@_Heckler Times 10 years like all the veterans, boom, 6000hrs.
@pizzapower95
4 ай бұрын
the issue for new players is that they wana fly a 4th gen fighter jet in a "simulator game" whit out having to learn anything beforehand. meanwhile im thinking they all forgot the fact that not everyone can become a decent jet pilot even whit thousands of hours of training. it is "a bit harder" then piloting a car around town.
@x7xHawkx7x
4 ай бұрын
@@pizzapower95 Actually the issue is that War Thunder is incredibly unforgiving to the new player. I decide to try out Air RB, and yes I picked a bomber so I could get a sense of what that mode was, and I have "Veteran" fighters team killing me before I leave spawn. I guess I'll just let the elitist enjoy their playground. Like Liniyka said, "There are plenty of better games to spend my money on"
@pizzapower95
4 ай бұрын
@@x7xHawkx7x i dont wana attack you or say that youre wrong but in a way youre repeating what i said whit different words. its a simulator! a flight simulator. flying irl or in a simulator is very hard and only few people can master it. so the issue is that people dont know what they are jumping into. there is no way to make it forgiving because thats not how flying works. flying close to the ground at macht 1 while multitasking is unforgiving and there is no way to change it. the fact that flying in games like gta, cod or battlefield is so forgiving is because they have no realism at all and are NOT simulators.
@lghmsslynay
6 ай бұрын
i almost agree with everything in this video, exept at 9:30
@AJj_haynes
9 күн бұрын
I agree this game has no fun whatsoever once you played more than 2 maybe 3 hours before you decide you would rather Chinese water torture 😂
@YeEpIkAiYeI
6 ай бұрын
After 3.3k hours in WT I couldn´t agree more. War Thunder is a waste of time in general, and putting money in it it´s the stupidest thing anyone could ever do in a videogame. Thankfully it fills me with pride that after 3.3k hours I´ve never, NEVER gave Gaijin a single penny, and that´s because they don´t deserve it. One could argue that after creating such a detailed and dynamic game they should deserve your cash, but if you are constantly pressing your player base to throw money into your game by making the grind incredibly frustrating and slow, and even at some points impossible specially in Naval Battles, allowing players to exploit abusive tactics like CAS and light tanks in ground battles, and adding premiums making the game essentially pay 2 win. Yeah, no. You don´t deserve money from the community. Personally I got into WT because I´m a huge WW2 fan, but Gaijin has destroyed any WW2 immersion that this game had so they could sell more shiny premiums. It´s disgusting. Also, the grind is absolute horrible, I even wasted time grinding for the USS Newport instead of spending time with my family in Christmas and New Year´s Eve, just to feel complete emptiness afterwards. Thankfully I managed to finally quit it and I´m being serious when I say that quitting WT has improved my life in those last 3 months. For your sanity, self respect and relationships don´t play War Thunder.
@makethecringevideot3339
6 ай бұрын
Well said brother
@meloncooler1252
4 ай бұрын
I've put well over a thousand hours into the game and started playing it in 2014. I put the game down 5 years ago and every time some content of it reaches me I'm just met with reassurance for my decision because if anything it seems the issues that took me away from the game 5 years ago are more present now than anything. It sucks because at its core WT is exactly what I wanted in a game of this style. RB is the perfect amount of realism to where I actually have to have some degree of knowledge about what I'm doing and the vehicle I'm using to do well, but without being a full simulator so that the experience is still pretty casual. Topped off with probably the best control scheme for M+KB flight in gaming (which is patented so you won't ever see it in a competitor), and it should be an amazing experience. But its not, because Gaijin's focus is entirely to frustrate you into spending as much money as possible to have some semblance of an enjoyable game (I never spent a dime thankfully) while milking new content and ignoring an increasing build up of bugs and balance issues and furthering the already ridiculous grind.
@AgedSwissCheese
3 ай бұрын
I have 1.6k hours in WT, I like to consider myself an above-average player, yet, I keep getting shit on by Germany in ground, and the grind in air is so fucking slow
@dasuberpanda
3 ай бұрын
Sounds exactly like my experience with quitting lost ark. I just regret all the time wasted, but I feel much happier
@eliphas_vlka
3 ай бұрын
Ive just buyed the b1ter, because my fav tank is the b1
@unnamedncrtrooper4545
2 ай бұрын
Its disgusting to me as a DCS player that you guys get charged either the SAME OR MORE money as i do for your paid aircraft when mine is an almost 1:1 replica of the real aircraft while what you're paying for is basically just a 3d model with a generic keyboard and mouse flight model, weapons and targeting systems so dumbed down a 3 year old can use them and no cockpit interaction whatsoever.
@BumpyLumpy1
Ай бұрын
Agreed. but the worst part is tones of people still buy them. so the prices will only go up.
@nakkipate1953
6 ай бұрын
every new player should see this video
@therealspeedwagon1451
6 ай бұрын
Every person planning on getting War Thunder should see this video. Will probably save them a lot of money and pain. I should’ve watched this video when I was playing WoW and was contemplating getting WT and the whole chat told me not to.
@Obedthian-UK
Ай бұрын
@@therealspeedwagon1451the whole "chat"? Are you a streamet or something
@Anti-Villain-Wolf
6 ай бұрын
When you mentioned the things about rookies playing bombers, that's pretty much what I did. While it's something I enjoy doing and I can earn tons of money using the F-111A with a certain wager active, it really doesn't teach you how to be an effective fighter. I used to exclusively play naval, and got really good at it because that used to be the only way to make money before the economy changes, which aren't perfect either but they're better than what they used to be. I just wish they would put EC with air realistic setting. Apparently that was a thing before I started playing 3+ years ago. I hate that every match always just boils down to a team deathmatch. While those are fun for a while, they get dull and repetitive. Appreciate the video! Keep up the good work.
@КаркарычВоронов
6 ай бұрын
Damn those nord kills 😩
@randalledington4777
6 ай бұрын
I was drooling
@TheRathead80
5 ай бұрын
Keep in mind everyone is just trying to have fun at the end of the day if bombing brings you joy then "Bombs away!" but if you want to enjoy use a mix of both. I will agree on the Buying a premium jet avoid. I bought it felt nowhere near where i wanted to be and worked my way up from the bottom. As a casual player surrounded by people that play these games too hardcore especially in Arcade, its a game at the end of the day. Loadup have fun and Blast away.
@NielsHeusinkveld
2 ай бұрын
Such game mechanics and things like pre ordering only exist because enough people are silly enough to fall for it. In other words, we're pretty much doomed.
@blitzkrieg8776
6 ай бұрын
And lets not mention how they nerfed rewards across the board. Bombing isn't even that valuable anymore. In my He-177 A-5, it's cheaper blitz for a base or two then fly *directly* into the enemy fighters and let them kill me to significantly reduce my repair costs. I've gotten 6 bases in a match before and still came out in the negative.
@MiguelDarkTiger
6 ай бұрын
I used to enjoy bombing using bombers for me dogfighting I do it in Ground RB since I suck with AA and there is no name tags. Anyway... Flying around in BV238 or HE-177 was fun... but after the patch it's not worthy anymore. Unlike BV238, HE-177 still has a chance of performing "well". Armor is good. Weapons are good. The speed and maneuverability is not bad for a big bomber. At start of match I just dive reach around 650km\h, Drop bombs on targets and start helping fighters as a flying fortress. You should try doing this.
@liquidleopard4495
6 ай бұрын
How did you come out in the negative? Do you have auto-repair on?
@blitzkrieg8776
6 ай бұрын
@@liquidleopard4495Nope, their system of "the longer you are in the battle with one vehicle, the more it costs to repair."
@firstLast-jw7bm
6 ай бұрын
@@blitzkrieg8776 haha have to punish you for succeeding or else you might progress
@blaken3824
5 ай бұрын
Have you tried buying 1 year of premium during Christmas sale 50% off ? It solves all my repair cost problems.
@DFWRailVideos
6 ай бұрын
I have never spent a dime, never planned on doing so. Lower tiers are too fun, and I don’t want the fun of top tier to be ruined by another idiot in an F-5C. I’ll keep grinding my P-47s.
@csh5414
5 ай бұрын
Welfare warriors..you’re welcome.
@program4215
6 ай бұрын
I've played WT since feb 2013 and I've been saying these things for years now, you phrased everything almost exactly the same as I have, I described this as "the life cycle of a new player". Great video that covers it all concisely. I often think that many WT players have not been playing long enough to realize what the game used to be, especially at top tier, and also the scale of the broken promises. I used to spend money on this game but I stopped in early 2018 because I didn't like the direction the game was going and all the lies. I genuinely want to spend money on this game again but I can't bring myself to do it, unfortunately I can't imagine what it would take for Gaijin to regain my trust and respect at this point.
@Mortales0092
Ай бұрын
I only saw era 8 through my friend's account. I stopped after 50 hours at era 2 and stopped. Trying era 8 made me want to play but knowing that I would never see it with my account made me give up and give up. I simply uninstalled and found other games that kept me even 200 hours.
@captainnyet9855
3 ай бұрын
the main way to enjoy War thunder is to just not give a fuck about high tier jets.
@Spookylogikal
3 ай бұрын
the thing i love the most about war thunder is that once you learn how to dogfight and all that, the game is actually fun, alot of fun and even better with friends cause if i didnt have a friend to play war thunder with, i would probably quit half way through
@KING_LIRI1
6 ай бұрын
I made the mistake of buying the mig-21bis for germany a while back. Even though I mainly focused on dogfighting, I noticed that the jet simply didn't work at top tier RB. What I did was turn to sim battles and it has never been this much fun to play war thunder in a long time. I went from flying in a straight line, tabbing out halfway through the match to properly taking off of airfields and closely watching my radar and IFF to make sure I'm not killing friendlies.
@Ossi000
3 ай бұрын
Air simulator is the right way to play war thunder
@randomowykolegazinternetu
6 ай бұрын
Honestly, everything you said was true. At the very beginning, as a low-level player, I bought the jet premium and was literally beaten up by everything and hated for spending money on the rank 6 premium. Until I started learning from every failure, mastered the settings and finally, after a long time, explored the entire American tree and learned how to play. Despite the initial kick in the ass that a new player gets, I say that with willingness and a bit of brain you can learn to play jets.
@Cosmic-Spanner
4 ай бұрын
I deleted this game within 1 hr. I was embarrassed that I had even installed it.
@scoobydoobers23
5 ай бұрын
One way of viewing this video is the narrator telling everyone "you are playing the game wrong, you have to play it the way I do". If it was just a PVP game there wouldnt be any PVE elements or targets.
@jesselang9331
6 ай бұрын
This perfectly sums it up, I've been playing for 2 plus years and am almost at rank six air once i locked in to grind. Strangely I find bombers somewhat relaxing when I don't want to use my brain when trying to grind
@fennikk2433
6 ай бұрын
How are bombers relaxing? I just get shot when I get to climb. What are you doing differently?
@magma2680
6 ай бұрын
@@fennikk2433 depends on what bomber you're using and how good you are at using your gunners. There are some games where you aren't hounded down either so it's possible to have games where you can really just bomb peacefully.
@HuskyTheAirBreather
6 ай бұрын
@@fennikk2433 I play mostly fighters, but when the plane is right, it is actually fun and relaxing, different experience. The American Catalina at 1.7 BR is awesome, well armed and sturdy, the planes are slow so you have time to aim and fight. Or German He 111 H-16 at 2.7 BR, good gun coverage and armament, sturdy too but fighters are already decent to take you down. Tried Famous B-17 but at the BR, the fighters are just too good and well armed for me to stand a bigger chance..
@jesselang9331
3 ай бұрын
@@HuskyTheAirBreatherYeah, I just use the il28 because it's pretty fast
@Ironhideunlimited
6 ай бұрын
It's a widely known fact that while most players love War Thunder they also hate Gaijin, the reviews on Steam reflect this. But there needs to be more explainations as to why such as this out there so they can't get away with disinformation campaigns like when Steam hid "off topic" negative reviews while keeping the positive ones.
@liquidleopard4495
6 ай бұрын
Gaijin might make better decisions at the game if they weren't a bunch of orcs moonlighting for Putin's "troll factories".
@Youda00008
3 ай бұрын
@@liquidleopard4495Not sure. There are plenty of American companies doing the same crap, shitting on players and ignoring any feedback.
@czeszym
6 ай бұрын
I begun my journey with war thunder in summer of 2023. I've chosen germany and was dogshit at first, but I kept getting better and grinding loadouts that fit the battlerating. I bought 1 premium on sale: 2s38(this would become important later). I managed to get to 6.7 lineup in germany before the Object 292 event and became super upset beacause of OP cas(slow tiger 2 + ferdinand vs supersonic cas planes that you can spawn after 1 kill arent fun duels), BR compresion(1 time I face the Jumbo 75 which I can pen and one time I face an IS-6 or Fox and cannot do shit) and shit teammates that just grind 1 line and don't get better. I grinded almost the whole 292 event with 2S38. In the process I got the 10.0 tank and got to 6.7 in Russia. So basicly u can play 2 weeks with OP premium with almost no skill in toptier and get to the same place you would get to if you played from 1.0 in the normal tech tree for 6 months. Realy fucking balanced. I quited this game this week and became much happier.
@flakbait3732
5 ай бұрын
what i find weird is how there's such a huge separation, it takes more skill to actually get good in the WW2 style of dogfighting but at the same time, it's just WAY higher on the skill ceiling despite the incredibly deceptive simplicity, meanwhile in modern jets all that it takes is one stray missile fired from some drooling example of a monkey behind a plane's controls and you're donzo because top tier is a rng fest. Like if you could feasibly split both into different games because modern dogfighting has nearly nothing to do with WW2 dogfighting.
@sircory9377
6 ай бұрын
Gentleman, I believe we have all been motivated by what this wise man has said. I recommend that we pressure Gaijin into adding proper tutorials. We have learnt that without player action, nothing will change, nothing. Let’s do something!
@maverickwildwolf3871
6 ай бұрын
I just want the return of air realistic enduring confrontation. Gaijin removed it cause it made the grind too easy
@Vogelchen
6 ай бұрын
havent watched a minute of the video yet but I can already feel the big dick energy because you are using AA-Nords
@CmdrTyrael
6 ай бұрын
Warthunder is a new age shareware. All users have access but if you want access to best features you have to pay. This is not a new concept. War thunder is what you make of it. The problem is many people have no impulse control. It can be a hobby a passion or compulsion like anything in life.
@nagykiss6020
6 ай бұрын
But if you pay, you are a moron....
@nickmiller9677
4 ай бұрын
The best Planes are Free. P47's, B109 G2 Trop, Bf110, Hunter F1, Wellington (jkjk) list goes. The grass isn't greener on the other side.
@Youda00008
3 ай бұрын
If you at least got the thing you wanted when you pay. But chances are you will still have to grind for half a year after you paid. It's ridiculous.
@piotrmalewski8178
5 ай бұрын
Rank 1 is actually nice to play and besides a new player wouldn't be able to properly utilize the new jets, the interface of radar, missiles and control system gets complicated. The real issue with this game is that it pretty much ignores actual years of debut of each vehicle or how long they would serve in their initial develiper country, and tries to equalize every single vehicle in 'Battle Rating'. The result is most obvious with heavy tanks; They are totally useless in the game because they have the same battle rating as 30-40 years newer cars, and 20-30 years newer tanks of lighter types, so they can be killed by anything and can't even react to faster vehicles flanking them.
@Roeper437
5 ай бұрын
I don't think that you and community get the point and the concept behind RB bombers. Recently I decided to roleplay and escort bombers. Yes half of the matches were boring, but the other half was pure blast to actually defend the bomber and doing it successfully. And speaking with few of them after the match, they enjoyed it quite good aswell. After all what is the objective of the RB? Destroying structures and vehicles is certainly part of it. If War Thunder was meant to be dogfight game, there wouldn't be bombers. And bombers are here from the very start of the game and I don't believe that the concept you described was thought through since the very beginning. Now let's just imagine... the world where players are playing roles of their planes, bombers fly in formation to maximize their defending capabilities, fighters are escorting them, interceptors are intercepting,... wouldn't it be fun? There is plenty of community videos where they fly in formations, doing massive stuka dives, intercepting huge bomber formations... These people are having blast! But yes i get it, now i will be trashed by tryhard overly serious players: "GeT Go0d", "ThaT's B0rINg." When it comes to tutorials... well i don't believe the game is aimed at casual player same as Arma for example. world of tanks in other hand... perfect for casual player (i played that a lot too). Also there is an in game Encyclopedia where you can find concepts like Diving, Stalls, Boom and Zoom... Yes it would be better to actually show it on a video, also there is a Wiki so its not a problem of the game at least to the extend, its also problem of a player. In general players or gamers in general became pussies... 10 years ago there was another kind of gamers. Another huge factor is the cost of game dev, just because technology blew to the stars it doesnt mean that game dev became cheaper. Just google how much you will pay C# dev... Gaijin is a business not charity. Just for the sake of other perspective. Rather than price I would be asking... What with all the pixels i purchased when game will be discontinued or modern War Thunder 2 will come because it will happen at some point. Will I receive something in a new game? Will everything be lost? So this is my opinion.
@abdellahiehreimo3402
6 ай бұрын
After playing since 2014 I think this is pure wisdom.
@Dreazy_YT
6 ай бұрын
Dude, this was super accurate and kinda scary in a way. Maybe you could do more war thunder content in the future, it would probably do very well.
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Defyn already exists and I'm not that good of a player, so... I'm not sure. Maybe if I find something worth talking about? I'll think about it
@wolfgangkolber381
6 ай бұрын
@@Liniyka There might still be a market for someone more representative of the playerbase showing gameplay. DEFYN is a great player, but he isn't exactly fighting the way most people are going to fight, which is probably part of why people like Joob have a place. Ultimately, if your gameplay is still good enough to not be consistently cringeworthy and you have enough general charisma and the like to be enjoyable to watch in general, then it's at least worth a try.
@csh5414
5 ай бұрын
@@wolfgangkolber381 Defyn is boring..good player yes..entertaining? No. He has about as much charm as a dead fish.
@wolfgangkolber381
5 ай бұрын
@@csh5414 I enjoy him. It's satisfying to watch, but generally I prefer Joob, just wish he'd do more props. I mentioned Defyn in response to Liniyka's message.
@RandomSanti
6 ай бұрын
"Tom Cruise the Plane" 💀
@critical_crunch
4 ай бұрын
I can easily back up the claims about Air RB made in this video. I mostly play Ground RB, but because I figured I would need a CAS Jet for my future top tier lineup, I invested in a Squad Research jet (the SU22M3). I was extremely lucky to have a friend who is very knowledgeable in Air RB and modern jet tech available to walk me through the learning process and essentially be my wingman, and even then I found it more viable to simply resort to bombing bases and ground targets for XP until I could research better modifications for my jet. I still have very little clue as to how to properly dogfight and rely mostly on ambush dive tactics.
@WhoAgainQM
2 ай бұрын
The best way to play this game is literally to just have fun no matter if its air arcade or realistic
@BlueButtonFly
6 ай бұрын
The early tiers are the most fun. I actually didn't know one is actively supposed to avoid targets though, those always seemed to be where the fights were anyway.
@paulvonhindenburg4727
5 ай бұрын
I spend 90% of my time in 1.3-2. It's just more fun
@germangamingvideos6069
2 ай бұрын
@paulvonhindenburg4727 To be fair it is primarily fun, because you are playing against beginners. It is a bit like going to an arm wrestling competition for ages 13 and below and then being very happy about winning
@creforce
6 ай бұрын
1:24 man best thing ive seen in a warthunder video in a long time man...
@johnreams3182
3 ай бұрын
Okay, as a mostly ground RB player.... this is the exact same with ground RB, point for point. Top tier premiums just get you put in a more complex vehicle that you don't understand and encourages a noob to just run in charge and kill, more often getting themselves killed, and actually going out of your way to learn tank tactics is the only way to have fun. Once it clicks, the elusive 'fun in war thunder' starts to shine through. Another piece of advice that changed the way I saw war thunder and made it more fun for me was someone just saying... "play the vehicles you love" and... well, I stopped grinding, I tossed out my early leopards, jumped into the Tigers and Panthers, and learned to get good at them, suddenly I wasn't even really thinking about grinding, I was thinking about learning my vehicles, "How can I best make my Tiger the embodiment of all the myths around it" and learning the tactics to support it, getting my first nuke, genuinely having fun. THen and only then I realized "Oh... I have a whole lineup of late Leopard 1s that I find fun to play now" and took the same mentality to that. So much easier to enjoy this game if you just forget about grinding for a while. (Also as an occasional Air RB, learning my 109s was awesome too.)
@MatteonixITA
5 ай бұрын
Something i will agree is that this game is NOT beginner friendly at all, it requires quite alot of learning, some could even say trial by fire, which isn't really a very good thing for a game that has no SBMM. But on another note, premium (packs) usually are 60-70 bucks (and like 2-3 times a year they are on a 50% sale) because they are a bundle, the vehicle itself costs around 40-45 bucks (which is still alot i will say), but, you can grind an entire tech tree with it, which is both a good and bad thing, good because well, you can grind the tech tree, but bad because you're essentually skipping the grind, meaning that you won't be able to learn, thus probably not having a good time while grinding, which is the other issue, it is very time consuming especially as a new player, but if you are a more experienced player it won't really take you much to grind entire tech trees. On the bombing part, it is technically the easiest/best way to grind, as you get alot of rp and it's fairly easy, as oppossed to killing other players, but that means you'll never learn how to actually PVP in this game, as said in the video, however, one good aspect about bombing (usually in top tier) is when you're stock grinding a vehicle, as you'll be able to get your A2A mods (or A2G depending on the vehicle) faster, meaning you'll be able to actually focus on PVP.
@dailycacti5718
6 ай бұрын
Idk how much money I would’ve saved if I never found this game eons ago
@firstLast-jw7bm
6 ай бұрын
the scarier thing to contemplate is how much more money you would've made if you had put the hours grinding into grinding irl
@oofdotcom420
6 ай бұрын
I started warthunder in 2021 when PewDiePie got sponsored and nobody told me how much "pain" sweden was and basically made shir all progress for 1 1/2 years and only in the past year ive gotten good afyer brute forcing the game, this is not how the game shouldn't be, IT should be fun...
@liquidleopard4495
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, there have been many Swedish tanks and stuff that made me wonder "How is its BR so damn high?!?" Battle Rating is supposedly determined by a vehicle's win ratio, across all players that have played it. A friend rationalized that since *nobody* starts with Sweden, or even plays Sweden as their main nationality (please tell me you didn't) most players are pretty experienced by the time they start Sweden. They probably even played *most* other nations first. So, the players who choose Sweden have accidentally given some sketchy vehicles a high win ratio. My own stats show a win ratio 50% or better for half my Swedish tanks, but except for Rank I their _kill ratios_ are dismal. I seem to have been in a lot of winning matches where I didn't get kills, had a low score, and it wasn't actually fun.
@oofdotcom420
6 ай бұрын
yea i agree, it was pain but ive no longer got a skill issue so im 600K RP from the Grippen and thats all ia care now @@liquidleopard4495
@ferret_max7800
6 ай бұрын
The lvl7 f20's are free gripen food
@DjWolf9392
6 ай бұрын
Me and my f4s been eating good 😂 also
@bucks8428
6 ай бұрын
@@DjWolf9392F4s players are f15 food lol
@commodorerubix3175
6 ай бұрын
I bought the f20 cause it had been a long time since i played jets and im a ground main and wanted to change it up. Im actually competent at plane though and I havent seen many low level f20s the lowest I saw was level 24. Most new players realize 75 is too much and still buy the f4s which is still a bad thing but the f20s arnt that bad rn from what ive seen
@DjWolf9392
6 ай бұрын
@@bucks8428 idk bout that ( at least for me) I'm 8-2 against f15s , I die mostly to mig 23 that pop up behind the whole team or the f14
@therealspeedwagon1451
6 ай бұрын
I’m not buying the f-20 under any circumstances. It’s literally an F-16 but worse. What was Gaijin thinking about when making this thing. Besides I stick to my Soviet vehicles and I already regret buying the SU-25K and will probably regret buying the Mig-23ML if I actually get it.
@Godzilla2021_YT
5 ай бұрын
juat got war thunder and im having a blast, i think that making you learn from experience is very good as you play the game more and its more satisfactory when you finally learn
@skeetyeet8692
3 ай бұрын
bro i been mad at players for being stupid and rearly get a good dogfight, this video explains so damn much that i just frankly never thought about, i love doghfights and been watching DEFYN sicne i started. takk you for making this video
@skeetyeet8692
3 ай бұрын
im glad my friend showed me dcs, its fucking hard and expensive even on sale, witch really solves the problem of meating 50%++ of people that dont even know the basic fighitng manovers
@firestar7890
6 ай бұрын
Amazing video, especially the part about bombing, hate seeing F-4s players with 0 situational awareness beeline for bases and contribute nothing to the team and not learn anything about jets, radar usage etc. but I guess the second reason about a lack of a tutorial is part of the reason why this happens
@YTDariuS-my6dg
6 ай бұрын
Yeah, to get good and have WITHOUT external help, you basically need to be either a genius or unbelievably stubborn. I am not a genius, but I am absolutely so incensed at the idea of spending enough money to feed myself for two weeks on a virtual jet, so I decided no matter how frustrated I get, not ONLY am I not quitting, I am ALSO not spending a fucking penny on this God damned game. After over 1600 hours, it's a love-hate relationship. When things work out you feel like you're at the top of the world, nobody can touch you, sometimes if you're lucky the enemy is so oblivious they don't even know you're there until you blast them with your cannons. But at other times nothing seems to work, the game's predatory and intentionally bad designs become more and more apparent and you start feeling like someone at Gaijin is editing the code in real time just to fuck with you. Shells that should obliterate the enemy do nothing because volumetric makes one paper thin plate stop a shell the size and weight of a baby traveling at hundreds of kilometers per hour. Rounds that rip wings if you just so much as THINK of clicking your left mouse button suddenly do fuck all after holding said mouse down until you spend half of your fucking belt. Shells that penetrate straight through the gunner's head give him a mild fucking headache but if someone so much as sneezes at you the game will find a way to ricochet the snot off of your barrel into the paper-thin top plating. If you so much as THINK of activating a booster your next match is gonna be a full uptier against some of the most cracked players in the game and all of them are going to be Level 100's with maxed out crew and spaded vehicles playing at, like, 4.7 while YOU have to suffer using stock vehicles that just moments prior you were SO psyched about finally unlocking. The game is genuinely evil, and the reason Gaijin didn't complain TOO much after the shit-fest of the Steam reviews is because nobody actually asked them to take care of any root problems, just the symptoms. The max BR has been nearly the same for ages despite newer and newer vehicles being added, pushing vastly better planes to fight against little baby's first jets and making it so that in some extreme cases on Ground RB you can drive a Tiger H and meet a tank with *shitting ERA.* Gaijin doesn't make a fuss about the roadmap and all the "fixes" because the things they're fixing are little things they can go without because the core of their strategy will remain intact, as described in this video.
@ABalazs074
6 ай бұрын
Great summary of Gaijin's shady practices. I have an other solution for myself, and everybody who lacks the time to play air RB: play arcade, and just accept the reality: there is a glass ceiling somewhere at rank V/BR 6. If you can play for enjoyment, and able to release the urge to progress on the tech tree, AB from BR 2.0 to 5.0 offers satisfying, free dogfights with backup planes.
@fabioartoscassone9305
6 ай бұрын
problem: some interesting maps are reserved just for high-tier. red desert is very funny but it's just for high-noised players
@MrMason522
5 ай бұрын
On the “Radio Silence” section… one 90 minute read through Wikipedia’s article on “Basic Fighter Maneuvers” will alleviate a lot of frustration for players previously unfamiliar with the principles of air combat maneuvering. The game is so realistic that you don’t need to lean on War Thunder How-To’s.
@jasonfike4548
2 ай бұрын
Nice quote by Dr. Breen at the very end. *”Be wise, be safe. Be aware.”*
@Urgaas
6 ай бұрын
I watched the video and it's good. This dude was right
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
🥰
@buranfon
6 ай бұрын
I've been playing this game for the better part of a year now and it's really funny to hear you describe my exact experience
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
At least you're aware. Now it's up to you to get good, if you so desire
@buranfon
6 ай бұрын
@@Liniyka I sure as hell ain't giving into premiums yet, I'll tell you that
@bigtimergaymer8944
6 ай бұрын
I personally think if you play WT casually it’s one of the best armoured warfare games but if you no life you become a shell of a human
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
Truer words have never been spoken
@waylonk2453
5 ай бұрын
Well said. I enjoy looking at the vehicle models and trying to role-play the history. I find it pretty fun because I've become okay with
@realWWdude546
5 ай бұрын
But you can't play casually bc you're in a match, driving around, not knowing the map very well, and you suddenly get 1 shot a km away by an idiot who never touched grass in his life
@Dregomz02
5 ай бұрын
@@realWWdude546 I wish it would be only 1km away some are insta nuking you from 2km+ away
@reedy_9619
4 ай бұрын
@@Dregomz02you re not playing low tier then. It s gonna take a few games to get a good feel for the map. But if you manage to remain strategic and resist the urge to rush to get dopamine quicker the games can be really satisfying and you can end up with a lot of kills. Sadly if you’re methodical and do everything right sometimes you just get unlucky and ennemies are elsewhere. And the moment you step out of line you get clapped by that dude on the corner of the map who has also been waiting all game for ennemies.
@therightstuff8216
2 ай бұрын
Excellently said, right to the point. Free-to-play games are designed to make you frustrated. For 3 years I had worked up my way to top tier jets. In retrospect it was a piece of luck that they broke their promise never to sell top tier aircraft. THAT, in addition to everything else, left me so frustrated that I said good-bye to my money and quit the game. Best decision ever!
@Chrischi3TutorialLPs
4 ай бұрын
Been there, done that. Also, as for tank battles, there is actually a persistent problem with german tanks specifically which kinda plays into this. See, american tanks at low tier consists of three main groups of tanks: 1: You have things like the Chaffee or the Wolverine. Fast and has a good gun, but can be killed by just about anything. 2: Things like the M4 Sherman. Decent frontal armor, decent cannon, but little more going for it. 3: The M4A3. Heavier than the basic Sherman, bigger cannon, but bad mobility. See, if you play the US, each of these tanks teaches you a different playstyle. The first category teaches you to shoot at range and use cover to your advantage. The second teaches you that, if you can't range kill, closing the distance is an option, or to aim at weakspots. The third teaches you how to use armor to hold your ground if necessary, as you're not gonna outmaneuver anyone. The German tech tree by contrast puts you into one of the following: 1: A Panzer 3 or 4, which are just all around well balanced tanks, and are usually the ones against whom you will be sniping or closing distances, because they have the firepower to kill you at range, 2: A StuG III or similar vehicle, which is a bit less mobile, but even better armored and really good snipers 3: One of the various wheeled or open top tank destroyers such as the Marder or the Sd. Kfz. 234/2, which lack any semblance of protection, but are either fast enough or have enough range to not need it. In other words, the German low tier experience teaches you nothing about how to actually play the game. So when you go from that to the Tiger, which has none of the superiority over its peers that its predecessors have, they continue to play the Tiger as if it's a Panzer 4. The problem with this? It's not a Panzer 4. The Tiger is relatively poorly armored for its tier, especially with that frontal plate being just all vertical. Any player who knows that weakspots are a thing can use this to their advantage. Of course, the average german player does not, because their shells are good enough to pen most tanks regardless, at least up until the Tiger. Speaking of which, this can be mitigated by just not presenting your weakspots, but of course, the average German player doesn't know this. It's also notoriously sluggish, unlike other German tanks. This means you can't do the rushes other german tanks can. Other players can mitigate for this by using cover to close distances. German players cannot, because they are used to being able to survive a few hits more than everyone else. The only thing the Tiger really has going for it is the gun, but it rarely ever gets to use its gun, because German players have no clue on how to stay alive long enough to actually use it.
@comandit
6 ай бұрын
The only error you have made is assuming bad players main bombers on air rb. No, no,no,no, they go to ground rb to avoid this insanely unfair mechanic called counterplay. Using cas is literally just a skill issue and I’ll die on that fucking hill.
@pliat
6 ай бұрын
This.
@TainyaGaming
Ай бұрын
Wow a mode for all the strike aircraft in the game to have actual use and you call it skill issue 😂
@comandit
Ай бұрын
@@TainyaGaming Not my fault you can't play Air RB properly and go for the enemy bases. If you need ground RB to grind the plane tech tree then it's skill issue. You're just like the heavy mains that complain about their tanks being useless because HEATFS, no, you're just bad, stop inhaling metric tons of copium and crying like a 3y old. G I T G O O D
@theporschetiger
6 ай бұрын
The thing is they do have Tutorials for air combat maneuvers! On KZitem. And they are several years old. And they just tell you what to do and not walk you through the basics.
@aluminiumsloep
6 ай бұрын
Someone is happy with base bombers ..;-)...
@R4V3-0N
4 ай бұрын
I miss War Thunder back when playing other vehicle types and doing the objectives actually mattered. Though always shaky, WT used to have a healthier relationship between tactical, strategic, and aerial objectives and gameplays (aka attacker, bomber, and fighter objectives). For me WT's main point was that it was a game that allowed every combat vehicle type to shine. You look around at all these other aerial games out there especially multiplayer games and struggle to see anything that skews away from air superiority fighters besides the occasional fighter bomber or attacker. WT was a game made - at one point - to not only facilitate the strike and bombing roles of aircraft but embraced it and often made it critical to the map/objective/game mode. Though this has long since been rinsed out of War Thunder many many years ago through neglect of the gameplay, mechanic, and balance side of things to the point that now every aircraft is balanced by the average player stat of them using it as a dogfighter or the average SL earnings which ever is more problematic to Gaijins eyes. Another example of Gaijins dumbification and neglect.
@R4V3-0N
4 ай бұрын
One thing I also wanted to add is that one driver for pushing players to ground pound is (especially at higher ranks, low to mid ranks get a pass on this one) your stock aircraft is incapable of competing against enemy aircraft, attacking ground targets can mean for some aircraft tenfold increase in RP earnings or more. Playing UK top tier for example I can't even fathom even in downtiers in a stock jet, the lack of countermeasures, the flying bus FM's, the extremely sparse ammunition, it all just stacks up against you and most of the meaningful upgrades to allow you to perform are tier 4 upgrades. A game really shouldn't be a job of grinding until you are allowed to enjoy yourself.
@darkspire91
5 ай бұрын
I've been lucky that my favorite tanks and planes are WW2/Cold War era, so 3.0 to 7.0 BR is where I stick around. I still unlock the top tier stuff, but hardly, if ever, play them.
@Bobamelius
6 ай бұрын
I really like the guts of War Thunder but I really wish the technology and simulations were in an entirely different game. Imagine if you had a massive combined arms sim-lite battlefield with the "decent" level of fidelity and the staggering array of units that War Thunder provides.
@Online28_JStr78
6 ай бұрын
I fortunately avoided the ‘bomber’ ending by practice, die and repeat until I get better at dog fights
@DjWolf9392
6 ай бұрын
Never bombed but did buy a premium after hitting rank 4 and seen it was on sale. My 11.3 has taken out most top tier jets due to practice and patience
@mcsmash4905
3 ай бұрын
ill be completely honest and say that the grind never bothered me personaly , ive been playing the game on and off since 2015 or 2016 and havent spent a dime nor do i plan to because frankly i see no reason to do so , if i ever do spend money on the game it would be to buy some tank for the sake of novelty or to expand a lineup
@SomaliMinisterOfDefence
Ай бұрын
Bait and switch: actually better for the player because the rapid progresses make it rewarding and teaches the basics. Radio silence: Helped build a community of content creators and educate a lot of people on military tech and history Bombs and premiums: ill do what ever i want. If you want to dedicate a year to being a master at this game good for you dont let anyoen stop you, but stay broke then
@Mamac2006
6 ай бұрын
I love the horten skin
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
Really makes you feel a certain way, doesn't it?
@Mamac2006
6 ай бұрын
@@Liniyka it's a feeling I find Hard to describe
@Mamac2006
6 ай бұрын
on a more serious note, war thunder is quite fun in low tier RB when you have a squad, and very ambivalent if you don't i started playing it because of a big crush on early mustangs, and spaded them quickly, but considering the structure of the game they dont fit the meta very well
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
Oh it absolutely can be fun... when you know how to make your own fun
@JStar1337
2 ай бұрын
What I find most annoying about War Thunder is the fact that the tanks from different time periods compete against each other. For example, Tiger vs PT76 - they've never met outside of a museum. You can also see this in the video: ME 262 vs S.O.4050 Vautour IIN (built from 1952!) In my opinion, Gajin should make urgent improvements. That's why War Thunder is dead for me until there is a mode that brings a little more historical accuracy
@FloppaFan400
2 ай бұрын
I’ve always thought that a year-based system would be better. It’s pretty wack seeing M109s alongside T-34s and Shermans
@notagooglesimp8722
4 ай бұрын
Gajin recently just ruined the infantry version of this game on the same engine called Enlisted by not listening to fans.
@aarizzikry
Ай бұрын
i have been playing low tier for 2 years and i almost get to jet tier
@sean3473
3 ай бұрын
As someone with some experience with 300+hrs, I’ll say I’m guilty of purchasing 2 premium planes. Never again. I’ve had the money to do it and I honestly couldn’t be bothered to fly & grind through 47 different F-4 phantoms in the US tree. Despite that I 100% agree. What’s honestly worse is that for the price of a full game you STILL have to additionally spend thousands of GE to get the ace qualifications for premium jets PER crew. Insanity.
@The_Fubar
6 ай бұрын
You had me until the point about bombers. No, bombers both as playable and NPC as well as NPC ground targets are essential to this game. PVP isn't the point of War Thunder nor is PvE. War Thunder was made as P+EvP+E. Cool, interasting stuff is done by players, boring repetetive stuff is done by Bots like patrols, area formation bombing, convoys or stationary defence. Allways has been that way. Players fly intercept missions in fighters, close air support in attackers and tactical precision bombing in bombers. This is when War Thunder is the best. Without bombers/attackers and ground targets connected to tickets that can be bled out with CAS game would quickly turn into high alt space climb contest, stalemate would make game boring and unplayable. Introducing ground targets is the best what could happen to Air Battles. Fighters make no sense as concept unless there is a target worth getting after in the air. Air combat evolved because people realised bombs can be dropped from aircrafts and the best way to stop them was to mount machineguns onto light and manoeuvrable planes and use them against bombers. Fighters vs fighters is in essence a pointless concept, might aswell skip the pilot trening and planes and just give them rifles and send to frontlines. Well designed bombing is necessary for a healthy Air RB and AB. Low flying Attckers and bombers force fighters to go low and abandon altitude advantage which breaks stalemate that might appear instead. If you destroy enemy escort fighters as an interceptor but fail to destroy bombers that penetrate your defences then enemy fighter that are destroyed have actually won the battle in the long run. Air combat is no chivalry, no one is going to 1v1 you in fighter just for the sake of it. There should allways be a possibility to shoot down most enemy aircrafts and still lose to one heavy bomber droping bombs on your vulnerable target. You job is to destroy as many of enemy bots as possible while protecting your own. Also stop romanticizing old top tier. It wasn't as great as you remeber it. Many times MiG-15 bises just climbed endlessly or Hunter F1/Sabres F-2 flew in straight line away with performance of many top tier jets so similar it made it allmost impossible to win 1v1 when enemy got behind you. Not to mention it was never balanced. CL-13 mk5 were 5% better performing than other jets and dominated top tier for couple of years. Sure it was less chaotic. Only people who see acquiring top tier jets a reward for long grind can dislike top tier jet premiums. Skill can't be bought, im confident in my skills if a new player want's to purchase his way into top tier, I'm happy to fight against them. Most Air kill are opportunistic anyway, 85% of kills if you look closely are against planes at a significant disadvantge, lower BR, lower performance, damaged, out fuel/ammo, etc. Most kills aren't fighter vs fighter in 1v1 in perfect conditions. you'd find those kinds of duels exhausting and suffocating very fast, and if not you most players would and they did in fact which is why we have what we have right now in top tier and it's not bad. AAMs are a great equalizer.
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
Woah, nice post. Regarding the first part, I would agree with you if bombing was interesting or engaging in WT. But it's just not. It's a repetitive process of flying to bases and pressing spacebar. And these days fighters can already destroy most ground targets on their own, so bobers are redundand. If RB was reworked to actually accommodate bombers in an interesting way, then maybe. But as is, bobers are both useless AND boring. Now, old toptier? Of course it wasn't perfect, and as you mentioned it wasn't exactly balanced a lot of the time. But it was good, despite its flaws. Skill mattered. In the current top tier skill still matters, but when you have 32 planes with 6/8 omega IRCCM missiles in the air, and half of them have no idea how to play, it just gets silly. I'd take old top tier over the current missile circus any day.
@The_Fubar
6 ай бұрын
@@Liniyka I hope I didn't come as too agressive in my post, I was typing quickly. I've been playing WT since 2013 and many things were inevitable. A game needs to evolve to stay relevant and alive. Modern vehicles would come sooner or later. WT has a competition too and not only WoT or AW. Those who play WT also play Battlefields, CoDs and other alike. My first paragraph is essentially a defense of bombing and ground attack as a idea not execution of it by Gaijin. Could see a lot of improvement. I recieved your comment as implying we should get rid of it altogether. Was trying to make a cese for it in general. Skill still matters but as with modern war which is more reliant on technology so is it's digital representation in game. Modern Jets without modern missiles would be as ridiculis as modern MBTs with WW2 APHE shells. Yes gameplay evolves, and I belive it's a good thing. You can still play F-86 or MiG-15 if you want. The fact is there was a very short period when jets didn't have AAM. For most of their service they were however equipped with Missiles and this remain a critical component of modern jet fighters. Definition of skill simply evolve along with technology. What takes more skill, maneuvers or climbing ? Dogfighting or energyfighting ? There is no simple Yes or No answer, different players different tactics in defferent machines all viable as long as well performed. Proper use of AAMs whilst dodging enemy AAMs or deploying IRCM is a different kind of skill but skill nonetheless. Same with modern tanks with laser rangefinders, thermals and APFSDS-T. if people do not know how to play just use it as a way to grind, enjoy easy game while it lasts. Thats war, sometimes you come up against a veteran and sometimes a newbie.
@Soul-Clutch-Man
6 ай бұрын
Your entire thesis falls apart when you consider how pve has basically had 0 meaningful development, while 16v16 has strapped PvP to the least skillful combat possible.
@The_Fubar
6 ай бұрын
@@Soul-Clutch-Man I din't say it was good. I said its a necessity. P+EvP+E is a core design of the game. No, my thesis does not fall apart, you just proved it. Since low flying attackers and bombers are responsible for winning or loosing why can't fighters work around this and develop a better tactic. It's easier to get kills as a fighter when half of enemy team is in heavy loaded attackers. The reason for current attacker/bomber meta is because burden of strategical and financial thinking was moved from central command onto indivitual pilots. In reality pilots do not worry about costs of missiles or bombs they worry about getting them to designated targets or protecting those who will. Players play in least complicated way to achive the best score in the shortest time frame to maximalize RP&SL gain. It's simply efficient. Most planes are not competetive and those few that are, are still a subjet to up-tiers. In an environment in which the main goal of the game is a digital financial gain whoever gets their way in the best way is the winner. You simply represent other efficeint tactic. Instead of low/medium gain in very short time counting a loss of a plane and full repair cost to spend 5min in game to bomb 2 bases and move on to the next game you choose to stay longer in game and get kills. Low risk-low reward vs high risk high reward, nothing more. Nobody os going to rewaerd you for digital air combat victories in a video game. Some players enjoy the feeling of being a bomber pilot, some just need to skip some reseach in a quick way. In my opinion you still win as a fighter pilot having more targets. You just don't like the fackt that someone might have better results with tactic you disapprove of. I love to play Harriers and Etandards. They sit right in between a fighter and attacker. They are maneuverable enough to dogfight, carry missiles and bombs aswell as good cannons. I focus on bombing a base than attacking tanks and slowly dropping enemy tickets, counter enemy bombers and attackers with missiles and prolonging dogfights with fighters to force interceptors to lose altitude and speed advantage and make them easy target for my teammates and accasionaly get a jum on them when they do not expect. Maby current combat is skillful just you haven't learnd it yet.
@Liniyka
6 ай бұрын
It's all good man. Yeah you can still fly the good ol jets, but a lot of them are kind of crippled by uptiers into supersonics/good missiles. In fact a lot of planes are crippled by uptiers. This game is sure full of awesome mechanics, don't u think?
@the_real_bin_chicken
3 ай бұрын
another sin is that they try to say that war thunder is a simulation when in fact it fits into the arcade genre.
@BlueSpiderLillyvr
4 ай бұрын
I love how you comment on how bombers are very weak but they are absolute nightmares in realistic tank battles
@kVidStream
5 ай бұрын
But isn't your video biased towards developer/publisher?
@lima-777-
5 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, I've come to realize that throwing money at the problem isn't the solution. I've spent about $550-600 to no avail. Now, whenever I play War Thunder, it's nothing but frustration because I can't seem to make any progress; I'm just easy prey for other players. Time is scarce, and I don't have the opportunity to improve my skills. Regardless of the game mode I choose, whether it's Ground Realistic Battles or Air Realistic Battles, the outcome is the same: defeat. Typically, I'll start War Thunder when I have an hour or two of spare time, play one game, and then, overwhelmed by frustration, I'll exit with Alt+F4. This cycle tends to repeat every couple of days. War Thunder has completely drained me.
@ModernTimesYT
4 ай бұрын
What premium planes do you use? I will try to give you some tips 😊
Just play air simulator, its way more fun and you actually have to fly the plane, not just point your cursor where you want to go
@AnotherFoxBoy
3 ай бұрын
@@Ossi000plus the rewards are much better
@gavinjenkins899
5 ай бұрын
Some facts you mention are wrong right off the bat. RB is not "by far the most popular" it's about 50/50 based on people measuring the games from the actual replay server, for air (for ground, AB is about 4x more popular!). AB and RB also have the exact same reward progression, it's designed that way clearly intentionally, as when you actually measure it it comes out almost exactly identical per minute played, which is not an accident. Your reward per kill is higher in RB, but you get WAY fewer kills per minute. It cancels out. With the exception of boosters which work a bit better in RB due to longer time and that not being compensate for, but that's it. More broadly, the entire concept of "frustration based monetization" is wrong. I work in the industry, NOBODY talks like that, NOBODY is designing games like that. If your game isn't fun (frustrating), people don't pay, they just log off and churn. You want your game to be as fun as possible, but money locking new content. Which is also fun. Fun all along. If it isn't then it's a mistake, not by design. Yes obviously they advertise to top tier content to get you to pay for the content, but the game should be FUN all the way along that is their goal.
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