If you noticed in the foundry when crafting the gorgoile, it costs 19 credits and 99 seconds, thus 1999 is hinted. And the fact that it costs 0 platinum to rush it means that we should not waste time anymore. Interesting easter eggs there.
@Kilesfactor
9 ай бұрын
I didn't even know you could rush it for free lol
@Meatwad787
9 ай бұрын
@@Kilesfactorsame lol. Watched my impatient friend stream the quest. That's how I found out 😂
@AliasSchmalias
5 ай бұрын
Yes, the impatience, a crucial valve among humans..
@klawschafer7425
Ай бұрын
A few quest items take 0 plat to rush.
@jasutinborchert4418
9 ай бұрын
What I find interesting are a few things. 1: in the dialogue with organic Lloid we learn that Tenno do, in fact, communicate, most likely through telepathy. 2: when Wally appears in the “summoning” (or better warding?) circles he appears to be bound in some way since he doesn’t move and is hunched over. 3: it implies that in some places or with enough exposure people can see Wally, who was previously implied to only be visible to us
@whitejester
9 ай бұрын
I mean, we can speak through our voice in the war within quest.
@jasutinborchert4418
9 ай бұрын
@@whitejester not while in the Warframes tho
@whitejester
9 ай бұрын
@@jasutinborchert4418 yes in the warframes, do you not remember us talking to Teshin in the warframes?
@jasutinborchert4418
9 ай бұрын
@@whitejester no
@whitejester
9 ай бұрын
@@jasutinborchert4418 rewatch the quest
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Have to admit, I've never been more nervous about a video. There's literally NO information out there so this is the first I did entirely from my own perspective, so if there's anything I did miss, I'll do an update to change anything the community has learned in contrast to this. Fingers crossed, I feel good about it, but... you be the judge!
@Kheshire_Tokyo
9 ай бұрын
I'm sure it as amazing as all your other videos 😊
@Cryptic_Chai
9 ай бұрын
Aye man, we love your videos. The lore is already messedup. And you have always shed light on it.
@opera4591
9 ай бұрын
Do you think thats strange that both the sentients and the man in the wall are actually avoiding the infestation? We have a full open portal to the void in deimos but theyre not trying to invade, actually the man looks like hes trying to shutdown the lab and close it for good.
@Zerooo0o458
9 ай бұрын
25:28 strands of khra is stated by loid to be conceptually embodied timelines, likely resembling a strand when observed externally(duh)
@cynthiahembree3957
9 ай бұрын
It's all good. I do have to say I would love a video talking about the Man in the wall in this quest. Wally seemed different more "human" than normal. And very angry at times. I can't say exactly what but something is off here. He's always felt neutral before but now I feel like I have an actual reason to fear him.
@redmirrow8913
9 ай бұрын
When i first saw the announcement i made a guess that Otak is somewhat related to Albrecht as he was important enough to be grafted onto necroloid and is aware of a cat he calls mr. Scratchykins This may be a void-touched fragment of Albrecht's mind
@SomeDigitalGhost
5 ай бұрын
I think Otak was actually an archimedian.
@Raze_HyskarisXIV
9 ай бұрын
Was so excited about this video!! One thing I did notice at the end is that it's the same flower (similar to) to the one that is placed in front of the Warframes at the very beginning of the story during Vor's Prize. "We end as we began" makes me wonder if we are still dreaming? Or that the "time" we are supposed to meet Albrecht isn't a time on the clock. Old Wally told us "I can save them all." My thoughts were does he mean people or timelines? There have been "glitches" during certain scenes that has me thinking about the Matrix in some ways. Very interested to see where we're going and what you think of it! I made mention in a previous comment that I translated the quote on the floor of the Anatomica, and I think it's pretty fitting for Albrecht. "No God Above Knowledge." is what I believe it says. But at what cost does this knowledge come I wonder? Looking forward to more!!
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
OOOOOOOO Nice catch, I didn't think about that! Hmmm... You've given me some things to consider. Good lord I'm gonna have to replay Awakening for like the 20th time, lol...
@NyghtWolf
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGEAlso (and forgive me if this was mentioned in another video already) they changed one of the last lines from the War Within quest when Wally is speaking at the end. My kiddo did the quest the other day & I was watching and said 'Wait a minute, that's not what he said to me when I did this years ago!?' Went back to look & sure enough- On a video from 6yrs ago the original line "Hey kiddo, what took you so long?" was changed to "Don't forget kiddo, you're nothing without me" I'm VERY curious if this was a retcon of sorts, or if DE is just doing this to mess with us xD (The original line could be taken as older players going through the loop for the first time, and the second line can effectually be newer players experiencing the timeline differently *because of what we did*)
@arandomguy6169
9 ай бұрын
@@NyghtWolf I'm pretty sure Wally has different dialogue depending on what you choose to do with the kuva. So you probably chose a different option than the first time.
@daydreamdirty
9 ай бұрын
I want to have fun with this and include literally every other timeline no matter the game- and basically wonder what this would look like OUTSIDE of Warframe.
@daydreamdirty
9 ай бұрын
@@arandomguy6169that’s what it is- the dialogue changes depending upon our choices
@ducontra666999
9 ай бұрын
the "indiference" is much more expressive than any other character...
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
You see that too, huh? I always say he's so emotional for being indifferent, lol
@NyghtWolf
9 ай бұрын
YEEES! The overlay of Baals' voice is perfect! It's exactly the quote I was thinking of as I realized we weren't gonna have a fight in that moment. Absolutely perfect! Awesome video as always!
@andrechumela7439
9 ай бұрын
It was one heck of a quest, had been really waiting for some great lore expansion, but one thing I gotta say out of that is how greatly they nailed the audio on the damn thing, I mean bro, those songs will be stuck in my head for a while, and the singers voices are reeeally something, great work 👌👌
@misspiggy9647
9 ай бұрын
I can't get over the soundtrack and audio....the acoustics of being in the lab are quite amazing.
@andrechumela7439
9 ай бұрын
@@misspiggy9647 I've been hearing the OST of the song from the launcher after it finishes the update since that sucker has been stuck in my head 😂
@shuffle811
5 ай бұрын
Man, the sound design in this quest is absolutely peak. Every time I here those low chanting growls I get goosebumps, even after I've put dozens of hours into grinding standing and the Dante update. So mysterious and powerful, you can tell it's a voice, but it's absolutely unintelligible.
@KhanSahinkaya
9 ай бұрын
Awesome video, I love the direction Warframes story is going it’s so unique and abstract.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
You and me both... It's a good time to be a warframe player for certain...
@KhanSahinkaya
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGE absolutely been playing this game since its realise and I’m so proud of DE for being a beautiful company and realising a beautiful game, could have never imagined I would have been still in awe of this game 10 years later.
@TheDaxter11
8 ай бұрын
All I heard in the scene where Albrecht talks to Loid is "worthy of you" and I didn't hear that until watching a shitpost video a few days after I finished the quest, which makes me annoyed at my choice for what Albrecht said to Loid because I VERY NEARLY selected the "I was never worthy of you" option but went with something else at the last moment.
@nuker6724
9 ай бұрын
The way Albrecht talks when he talks to us on the Pom-2 reminds me a lot of the Gman from Half Life, especially that one "TennnnNNNoOo"
@MindlessWarlok
9 ай бұрын
Something I hadn't thought about before this is at least the 2nd time we had an alignment choice that were not the tenno, is it possible the alignment is not *ours* but the indifference, I think that could still align with the psychology concept you mentioned previously and is quite interesting.
@MindlessWarlok
9 ай бұрын
I just realized the last thing he said isn't a correct choice, in the book he says he wishes he could be worthy on the first day they met, at least I'm pretty sure that's the case
@axelgoxin
8 ай бұрын
Oof that Ballas speech at 24:00 hit so much and makes that scene feel so much more emotional than it already was.
@Garbear0119
9 ай бұрын
God your videos are so good, they understand the storytelling of Warframe so well. My interpretation of the story was the indifference isn’t related to Loid’s emotions, but it is just now attacking cause of Ballas’ portal, no reason in particular other than finally being able to. However, the Tenno stopping the vessels I interpreted as both the tenno using transference obviously in combination with conceptual embodiment of Loid’s emotions taking form of the vessels as it mirrors the first scene, and that conceptual embodiment of love is what’s holding back the indifference.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Thank you, I'm really glad you enjoyed it!!! It was a wonderful quest.
@Garbear0119
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGEyeah! Edited my comment with my interpretation of the quest. It definitely feels like a prologue of awesome stuff to come
@sonokawaray
Ай бұрын
Wonder if we'll see more interactions with Red Veil as this story arc plays out. Rell may be gone, but the order he left behind remains probably the most equipped of the original 6 syndicates to deal with whatever Wally throws at the Origin System.
@BunBros
9 ай бұрын
I wished this quest was repeatable like the other lore quests were. I really wanted to dive into this deeper
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Me too!
@LePeppino
9 ай бұрын
I really like the voice actor for Albrecht Entrati. I think it's a great detail that he speaks with a somewhat German sounding accent, fitting the hommage to Albert Einstein (as a German myself, it certainly sounds German to me lol). Anyway, great video, really excited to see where this plot will take us next.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
His name is stefan rudnicki and he's done some really impressive work!
@ReviewersGuildArSR
9 ай бұрын
If Wally comes for Mama Lotus, IT'S ON!
@Psycorde
9 ай бұрын
He can have her 😅
@DeLawrence97
9 ай бұрын
Mama Lotus is now Creative Director, so coming after her would be unwise as she can just DELETE Wally from the game.
@BespinGuard1
9 ай бұрын
30:16 5-10 years the fact that that doesnt sound too far off is wild to me, current gen consoles will probably be 2 generations behind the newest models by then
@SivaExperiment
9 ай бұрын
I think the question Wally is asking in void tongue is something about a truth. And it’s positing that the answer is the void
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
He's asking us something specifically... Mara lohk I think is "you"
@godzelda123
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGE Hmm and isn't Mara the name DE uses for the Operator in their script?
@SivaExperiment
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGE i can see how that is likely. i based my interpretation on the meaning of the known requiem words. but we dont know if they are a 100% accurate translation
@spacey9707
9 ай бұрын
he's seeking for connection since he is the void entity, an empty entity
@arkdelta637
9 ай бұрын
Maybe the Void doesn't enjoy being manifested.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Very possible. I don't like being manifested either so... I understand.
@montypython5521
9 ай бұрын
It would be interesting if "the man in the wall"s whole goal is to come entirely into reality so that he can destroy all void tech and people that know how to make and use it and then go back to a state of nonthinking existence or whatever he was doing before.
@dominiccolon3465
6 ай бұрын
@@montypython5521the cavia briefly talking about the horror of suddenly “knowing” and I can only imagine that on the vastest scale possible being extremely overwhelming. I’d imagine and speculate that the void just wants his reality to be all of what is ours, or all that what is his (nothing)
@Wonback
9 ай бұрын
That Sacrifice segment with the background music was beautiful
@flameendcyborgguy883
9 ай бұрын
I dunno what writers of warframe are on but damn I want a double. But on more serious note there are few things that cauth my eyes: -Vessels, even tho impresive and mostly right are not fully. It is evdient in hand room of the tileset where you can clearly see where tendens should be, a miscless apear. -Even tho by most comunity deemed untransable, I think there is enough material to piece rudementary translator for the voidtounge, which is one of the problems dwelling in my mind for now. -Indifrence is represented bu brutalist architecture which as anyone may guess is coldest and most deficient of the artistic expresion style which emphesizes that unlike Duviri, which is lashious and colorfull, it is steaight up made out of physical form of not careing. -After rewatching it here, I sadly must admit my take that Albreht said I am not worthy of you was correct, but perhaps all textes Loyd said had of you ending. -We fought off indifrence by creating a situation with massive emotional baggage, lending itself to fact that indifrence is a personification of lack of feelings.
@montypython5521
9 ай бұрын
While he does infact have bigger problems, it's kinda weird how Loid is just like "Oh you guys killed all(apparently not) the orokin? anyway go read a book" Now that I'm thinking about it I don't think he comments on the family being infested.
@wizardwolf1020
9 ай бұрын
He seems to barely acknowledge them while also talking a lot about Albrecht (granted it is a quest where Albrecht is one of the big talking points). Like he almost pawns them off as something for Necraloid Loid to deal with
@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750
9 ай бұрын
Perhaps the reason the Man In The Wall (Supposedly) cant go back to 1999 is because some sort of cosmic space-time weirdness. LIke, back then everyone was so worried the world would end. But instead of the world ending, maybe when the clock ticked over to the year 2K, maybe the fabric of reality got so weak the man in the wall was able to subtly impose his influence over time. And since he's not subject to the normal flow of time, he knew he'd encounter Entrati eventually. But since he got his finger cut off, he's been stuck. Or something.
@OliChanUwU
9 ай бұрын
Albrecht said "My Loid, I only wish that I could've been worthy of you." To Loid.
@Nikko027
8 ай бұрын
I've genuinely think I have gone crazy replaying the beginning of this quest over and over and over. But I swear in the when we hear the Man in the Wall speaking, I literally think he is trying to speak. Please correct me if I am wrong but tell me you don't hear this or better yet, tell me your interpretation: "The fear that comes back with me. The finger has come back for me." - 01:50 You also earned a new subscriber, I love your content.
@TheDsIEGE
8 ай бұрын
Tough to say for certain but if you're right, that's got some huge implications there.
@Imsleepeebruh
9 ай бұрын
rEsUmE yOuR dUtIeS cOnStRuCt
@craneboy11
9 ай бұрын
Great vid as always! This speculation will surely be interesting and we don’t know the half of it. 2 things to consider: first, there’s the matter of the way the Tenno calmed the indifference shows that Loids feelings were making this force expand and attack more aggressively. That it can be calmed may indicate that whatever the murmur is, it may not be completely under the control of our taunting doppelgänger. Why would it stop, otherwise? Wally seems no less interested in stopping whatever Albrecht was up to. If he were able to freely manipulate these things, why stop there at all? How did the Tenno know to calm it? Perhaps they learned to do this in the void directly to calm the indifference while trapped in the void, with no recollection of it. Maybe it can’t actually be fought at all. Notice the way the music changes when it happens, it’s the same void chanting but in a peaceful tone instead of the aggressive one. I swear that means something. Second: is it a coincidence that whenever we (the player) have influence over other characters dialogue in these main story quests, it’s is only after said character is implied to have a connection to the indifference? First was the lotus and now Loid. The lotus from the end of NW, and now Loid who was connected by a strand of Kra which was seemingly severed by the Tenno. Another note: Wally emerges in 1999 at exactly new years. The significance of that point in time may literally be the year 1999. Also, I doubt Arthur is a war frame. He looks like a man in a suit, and is likely entirely from that era. The vessels may work more like a voodoo doll of sorts. Another another: I’m generally turned off by wokeness, but Albrecht and Loid doesn’t bother me. Settings aside, their relationship isn’t thrown in anyone’s faces or preachy yet manages to be important and obvious. They are both serious characters. Neither man or their relationship is a caricature or stereotype. They are just 2 guys who are clearly more than just friends and care deeply about eachother. I’m amazed nobody has seemingly ever managed to pull such a thing as this off until now. Another x3: We end as we began may be literal in some way. Going back to the beginning of it all, either somehow with the lotus or with whatever happened in 1999.
@quincyharding9060
9 ай бұрын
24:13 i had the same thing playing in my head when i saw this scene lol love it
@LilithLonelyHeart
6 ай бұрын
I just noticed something, the vocals in the short track that plays during the vessels' touch scene follow a similar if not identical melody as Shwazin in Smiles from Juran, is it a suggestion from DE that we might be getting here a consistent music theme for acts of Tenno compassion?
@potatoaim002
9 ай бұрын
I noticed that our poltergeist (The “Hey Tenno!” Guy) and the man on the wall poltergeist sounds completely different from one another. Our ones sounds like US while the man on the wall have the sharper tone and mixed voices when he spokes.
@jankie3601
9 ай бұрын
Bro seen the man in wall as two entities (one of the tenno and one of Albrecht) kinda blew my mind.
@95freakout
9 ай бұрын
In Albrecths office or how you wanna call it, there's a scribbling on a wall in which you see a prototype of the Mag frame with a human in it. Maybe Albrecth went back in time with the technocyte virus to create the "warframes" in an attempt to fight off Wally? The Technocyte Virus (or known as T-Cyte for short) is a dangerous infection featured in the game. It is still mostly enigmatic and its origins are not fully known, although it is hinted that the virus originated from the United States and that Yargo Mensik had a part in its creation. Pulled from the Dark Sector wiki. Idk what DE is cooking with the 1999 quest but I trust them to deliver.
@95freakout
9 ай бұрын
I mentioned this other comments as well but in missions there are scribbles of a hand with the index finger cut off by what looks like an object going from point A to point B at an insane speed which I presume it's the Zariman during the jump to Tau and it cut Wally's finger?? Idk. There is another one that implies it's a hand but it's just 5 spikes with 1 spike being pointed towards something like it's about to be launched. Idk how any of this ties together lol xd.
@galathinyus8307
9 ай бұрын
Are we expecting more soon? I feel like whispers in the walls was very short and I been dying for this quest to come out xD
@spacey9707
9 ай бұрын
they probably saved it for next, i mean they already have the pilot and working on it then cut it into several parts and whispers in the wall is the part 1 since the ending giving that hanging vibe. if i am the writer i can see myself doing exactly that. for what? probably to give us solid content fast and not make us waiting for years, i can see them releasing the continuity next year tbh
@galathinyus8307
9 ай бұрын
@@spacey9707 yeah i totally see that, i was just overhyped because the man in the wall hass been fascnitating me for a long time and i thought the quest was gonna be a big chapter more than an introduction to the new chapter. still happy to play it, i believe it also was to introduce the book as a secoundary maybe so its a win win, but i cant help myself, i want more answers xd
@ArikaStack
9 ай бұрын
By the way, on the subject of voidtongue, MARA was how the tenno/operator was referred to internally at DE. I'm not saying that Mara is the operator's canon name, but rather, it's the void word for what they are. Source: v=_k929pnBT9M
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Tagfer motions us over with that phrase as well.... I believe it to be a variation of "void child" in some way... we'll see.
@Tirreger
9 ай бұрын
It really is weird that our operator doed not have a single spoken line in this entire quest
@sal3845
8 ай бұрын
Im calling it. Y2k spawned the void
@florafoxen
9 ай бұрын
I forgot to turn my music on when doing the quest, but I was glad I wasn't because It meant I immediately heard what albrecht said to loid at the beginning :) I think I mightve been the first to notice tbh!!
@cladoselache8766
9 ай бұрын
He's baaacckk!!!
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
And glad to be!
@ODESky5325
8 ай бұрын
I had a theory, what if war frame is just a story made up by Nora Night. I mean just listen to what she has to say after you complete the story, usually she's out there Narrating what we do
@CubiCubiCub
9 ай бұрын
If I may recommend something to deepen the grounds for analysis of Warframe's lore, the works of Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung would be very important. I believe the concept of transference is quite similar to one, used in psychoanalysis and The Shadow concept in analytical psychology may roughly correspond with the "void demon" version of Tenno.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
I actually have a vid on that exact thing regarding the choices in the game!
@SoulbreakerNB
9 ай бұрын
Maybe Warframe 1999 will add more faces and names to our Warframes. I wanna see Ivara or Octavia. Is it also possible that the "Albrecht Entrati" Loid sent back to 1999 was actually the void itself? What if the reason why the void is mentioning "Kalimos" is that it is mocking Loid because he didn't realized Kalymos Albrecht Entrati? He can do nothing because his sacrifice to the void was his "everything".
@Meatwad787
9 ай бұрын
So would that mean that Tagfer wanting to "get" Albrecht is influencing the Murmur or Void in the lab as well? (Think about what happens at Rank 5 with the Cavia)
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Seems like extreme emotions attract it the most. What's worse, in albrecht's lost notes, he talks of the cavia believing the man in the wall to be benevolent...
@Meatwad787
9 ай бұрын
oh snap. Bro EVERYBODY made a deal with Wally lol@@TheDsIEGE
@Signupking
9 ай бұрын
He attacked Loid, the most important Person to Entrati and Lotus is the most important Person to the Tenno. But one thing I still don't understand is what the Tenno lost upon making a Deal with the Man in the Wall. Entrati lost his vision and hearing but what did the Tenno lose?
@ParanoidCarrot
9 ай бұрын
all i can say that orokin AK must be a banger
@SqualidsargeStudios
9 ай бұрын
The whole 1999 stuff was so damned over hyped, whilst we only got 10 or so minutes of gameplay in that setting. They shouldn’t have overhyped that bs
@Nobody32990
8 ай бұрын
It was good marketing for sure.
@DragonbornOfTamriel
9 ай бұрын
Possible theory what if the man in the wall didn’t exist before 1999, I.e. Wally wasn’t born yet meaning the man in the wall can’t go beyond when Wally existed? No clue just a thought
@Draig376
9 ай бұрын
Iv been looking where ever i could but do we know exactly was in the deal the man in the wall is talking about i know it was to save the children but what did we have to give in return
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Many NPC's and the man in the wall keep referring to our tenno's "light". At first I thought it was their innocence he was after but now... this light must have something to do with their compassion and strength and might even be a foil to what the man in the wall wants to do. He may have thought he could take that but... the tenno aren't allowing it. it could be why wally seems particularly mad at us during different scenes. We're no longer doing what he wants anymore. And I don't think he likes that.
@ML7WL
9 ай бұрын
I'm kinda baffled DE pulled the "neon genesis evangelion" move AGAIN, so if the necramechs are somehow "predecessors" to warframes...the vessels are "descendants"?
@slayersboxer915
9 ай бұрын
really good video!
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!
@LittleLoski
9 ай бұрын
Been looking foreword to this since the update dropped.
@gunziro169
9 ай бұрын
Is it confirmed that during the character we play as in 1999 is Excalibur
@jasutinborchert4418
9 ай бұрын
Probably an alternative timeline prototype warframe. Albrecht wasn’t overseeing the Warframe project after all, so this might’ve been his try
@Skyline3321
9 ай бұрын
I have so many questions. So much lore I need to go threw lol. So Warframes were humans?
@koschai3788
8 ай бұрын
As interesting as Whispers in the Wall was, playing through the quest kinda has me question the Tenno's involvement in it in the first place. WitW primary centers around the consequences of Albrecht encountering the Man in the Wall and the ensuing conflict between both parties. The Kalymos Sequence, Albrecht's fail save to protect Loid/save his research, requires a chosen Operator to act on his behalf. Yet, the primary objective of the Tenno faction is to uphold the balance in the Orokin System. Our missions ensure that all big factions continue to engage in conflict with each other; that the Corpus, the Grineer and yes, also the Infestation never get the upper hand over one another. -If either the Corpus or the Grineer win, they will waste what precious natural resources the Orokin System has left and any populace not part of their faction will perish. Lore-wise neither Grineer or Corpus have any care or regard for outsiders. -If the Infestation gains the upper hand the Orokin System might just turn into a giant flesh ball. Endless evolution coupled with space-faring spores will ensure that. The Tenno need their void-given abilities to ensure the stalemate continues. So why are we getting involved into something that can endanger this? Most of all, for an high-ranking Orokin, someone from a faction we have famously exterminated? Our Tenno gets drafted into Albrecht's plan; a plan I have my doubts will have a failsafe for the rest of the Orokin system as it had for Albrecht's laboratory. I am a bit worried DE will have us side with Albrecht Entrati entirely, completely disregarding the fact that the Tenno, as a faction, have their own, very important, agenda to consider. I am going to be honest, as interesting as Albrecht is as a character, I do not want to side with him, or whatever faction is behind the computer entries. In the end, Albrecht is a Orokin scientist of some fame and acclaim with all of which this entails, unethical practices included. When confronted with the Cavia, and the practice of (animal) experimentation, a different quote of Ballas comes to mind: “...What they need, Margulis, is to be destroyed. They're devils from that hell, not human anymore.” As well as a more recent one: "You cannot kill the Devil, Tenno... But you can send it back to hell." And I still wonder how Ballas found all that out. Quite frankly, I do not want to help Albrecht clean up his mess. But at the same time, allowing whatever plans Wally has to succeed will probably spell doom for the Orokin System as well - so where does that leave the Tenno? I hope DE will not just have our Operator blindly follow Albrecht’s plan and instead, find our own solution to the issue, possibly reaching a truce of some sort with the man in the wall. Maybe turn his interest somewhere else? Return him to a state of indifference as opposed to the grudge he has against Albrecht? And for that manner, could we use the giant vessels to engage the Sentients? ...Now I want to have a fistfight with Hunhow. Damn.
@dr.tursko2312
8 ай бұрын
The terminal you use in the quest has a story recap after the quest is finished, and essentially Loid and Albrecht need an operator of the vessels (coincidentally, we are an ‘operator’ ourselves) to carry out this grand plan. They initially thought it would be Rell but after he passed on, they kept an eye on us, finally deciding that we would be the Operator for the plan.
@dundunna1802
9 ай бұрын
Someone at DE loves Stargate!
@zach942
9 ай бұрын
i swear to god if space mom gets endangered again ill rip the void a new hole it cant be indifferent to..
@godzelda123
9 ай бұрын
One line that's easy to miss almost directly states that Albrecht and Wally are basically one in the same. One of Loid's transmissions early in the quest says something along the lines of "The Nechramechs won't attack the Murmur, because they can no longer discern the difference between the Murmur and Albrecht. A theory Albrecht seemed hesitant to confirm or deny."
@valeon7303
9 ай бұрын
I think that the man in the wall didn't exist until Entrati's first void experiment. The void was empty, no form, no matter. Suddenly, mass, energy, *consciousness*, enters the void. The void adapts, absorbs, imprints. Because how the void works with time, this consciousness always exists and already existed. Maybe it can't go back before a certain date for a reason related to this?
@N7_Bunny
9 ай бұрын
@@valeon7303 Bro is cooking
@alexgrimm8964
9 ай бұрын
That might simply mean they look the same so the Necramechs can't tell the difference. I doubt random robot guards could tell the difference of who's mind/soul are controling the body as the body is identical.
@KrokusOfDagon
9 ай бұрын
@@valeon7303 This was the same theory i told my buddy while we were theorycrafting about the new stuff. He thinks its more related to multiple realities and Eternalism. I think part of our deal shut down the idea of Eternalism (at least as it relates to the Tenno) and that Albrecht and TMITW are one and the same. The void existed but didnt. He correlates Warframes Void to the Warp from 40k. It both exists throughout time but also never existed. The only reason we are seeing it now is because of Albrecht opening the portal. There are already a lot of parallels in Warframe to Warhammer 40k, especially when you compare the Void and the Warp. Another thing we've noticed is TMITW has no effect on beings that HAVE NOT already entered or interacted with the Void. Look at Lotus, the Tenno, and the Drifter for examples of this. Even Ballas had no idea of TMITW because, well, he never had a direct interaction with entering the void except for at the end of TNW.
@inglebear84
9 ай бұрын
@@alexgrimm8964the “mumur” are fleshy stone arms that drag themselves around, amongst other odd shapes. No, I don’t think the mechs simply “look” at their targets and allies. There’s a deeper level of analysis going on.
@singletona082
9 ай бұрын
Loid has hadjust about enough andi s going to assault a voidgod with a glock.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, lol!
@anondabomb
9 ай бұрын
I’ll let him use mine.
@kitsune0012
6 ай бұрын
The moment I read this my mind filled in "Master gas gives dobby a glock! Dobby is confused."
@Remarkdotzip2427
Ай бұрын
Not gonna you gotta give him credit. He had some massive balls going up against something so strong
@flowerremoon
9 ай бұрын
I love the way you edited Ballas' words about the Tenno over that scene with the Vessels during the fight with the Indifference
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
It felt "right" there.
@daydreamdirty
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGEit felt right to me- so spot on!
@illuminoeye_gaming
8 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGEit was perfect. when you played it? everything clicked
@theliato3809
6 ай бұрын
It fits so well I almsot think they wanted people to remember it and apply it to the scene
@jamescox7989
9 ай бұрын
Small side note, but I love the way that Nechraloid introduces you as “A” Tenno versus “The” Tenno making it feel more like the rest of us players are actually part of the world too.
@Papagaio3938
9 ай бұрын
It makes sense that there are more than just one tenno but it really makes me wonder wth were the other ones doing during really any major quest?
@daydreamdirty
9 ай бұрын
@@Okabe_Rintaroare you sure? If so then why haven’t we met any other NPC versions yet? Why only human versions? Meaning we can only meet others if we coop- not if we play solo as non exist in the campaigns
@polloshi
9 ай бұрын
@@daydreamdirty Rell
@Mord12gp
9 ай бұрын
@@Okabe_Rintaro I actually made a fan story about a non-player Tenno kzitem.info/news/bejne/mqCdnI2iapxeoaA
@spacey9707
9 ай бұрын
@@daydreamdirty"I can save them, all of them, but you have to really wanted it" -Wally.
@ToastBOMB
9 ай бұрын
I wonder if DE is going to explain if the vessels actually dream or transfer our tenno’s mind back to the past because when you play as Arthur he says it feel like someone is in his head, probably referring to us, the Tenno, experiencing what he is at that moment. Then there’s also what Wally says about us not being late again.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
The vessels wow... after reading that... my mind was blown. Need more time to wrap my head around it.
@Psycorde
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGE I don't blame you, the whole thing is quite a mess, a lot of clues that could be interpreted in many ways, but few concrete answers in this update
@Psycorde
9 ай бұрын
Takes big bren to dream yourself into the past?
@mbrown7361
9 ай бұрын
This is what I'm wondering. I figured the not-EVA Units were intended to fight Wally and have become some weird Conduit of Consciousness, which is how we see someone else's thoughts. It makes me think of Umbra, too. Does he know when we're controlling him? But how did we even get into Arthur's head without him having a transference device on?
@analogicparadox
9 ай бұрын
During that sequence Loid says "the transference signal is being redirected", which makes me think the vessel didn't really have anything to do with it.
@emuky7608
9 ай бұрын
A little secret that I haven't seen anyone mention or talk about yet; if you go backwards in the Arthur section of the quest you can find a little hole in the back of an infested train. You'll find a room and you'll start hearing whispers. Then your operator (presumably the man in the wall) appears and starts laughing at you and vanishes. I dont know really what to take from it. I clipped it because I was confused and didnt see my operator at first, but after looking back at it again it was indeed my operator and NOT my drifter, which I always play as.
@FlavLilDemon
9 ай бұрын
OMG i missed that D: if u have it on video, would u mind sharing it? i'd love to see it
@analogicparadox
9 ай бұрын
Wally is always your operator, even if you use drifter.
@sadako8559
9 ай бұрын
Wally is the operator, because the deal was with them, not the drifter
@ConstantlyGreg
9 ай бұрын
Would u be able to post this anywhere? I can’t find it anywhere on yt
@limboprime4008
9 ай бұрын
Its interesting how wally takes the apereance of the tenno, i played as drifter and in all of the scenes wally looked like my tenno
@-Deco
9 ай бұрын
There's a specific thing we're already aware of, that the void is untimeless, that it exists in a form not subject to the apparent rules of everything else in the multiverse. In the multiverse theory there is a concept known as "important events", essentially points of time that cannot be rewritten once they are done as doing so would erase the strand of that particular's strand's multiverse consequences, and everything thereafter. I don't think it's a coincidence there are specific references to this in this quest, Loid specifically says he will help with transporting back to 1999 "when the time is right", implying there has to be a certain event that happens to meet the criteria to return to this "important event", as doing so otherwise would break the timeline continuity in reasons we don't yet know. The void (or in this case, the indifference) since it exists outside the laws which bound entities within the multiverse, knows how things will unfold, if "xyz thing" occurs, which i think is why he's warning that attempting to rewrite what already exists will make things worse (when mentioned in collecting the board), than they already currently are. In that, it is a real, formal warning, that he's aware of the consequences that the Tenno are doing, and where they lead will impact them in a unforeseeable way, similar to how Albrecht can apparently see the future, but not know the consequences his actions would have until it's done, of course being influenced by the man in the wall to orchestrate a certain consequence on the timeline to occur. That's what i gathered from this quest in general, it's references to time are much more than more or less any other quest, including the train which is deemed a trap, but more than likely the train used for travelling to 1999, then being late. Overall, it was a very well done quest.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Agreed, this is, narratively one of the best I think DE have put together and didn't make things TOO confusing like I think the new war got at times.
@daydreamdirty
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGEthe new war was confusing due to how much was crammed in with less time being there to explain the importance of it all- or of most of it all. Only bits and pieces up to half was ever truly explained. That still bothers me- especially with Parvos Granum never being brought into the new war.
@mr.m.t.j.m6003
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGE 14:21 that voice sounds like a demon.😅
@TheDaxter11
8 ай бұрын
This makes me a bit more annoyed that the void, in terms of gameplay, isn't all that important anymore. I miss when prime parts came from the void specifically cause it was a VERY good reason to go there and if it still held such importance gameplay wise it would feel that more special with this lore. Now you just go for argon crystals and if you're new and need Corrupted Vor mods.
@roguespartan2854
2 ай бұрын
If that's the case, then what's Wally doing screwing around the timeline with his input? Is he trying to destoy it or something?
@jasutinborchert4418
9 ай бұрын
24:10 at that scene I absolutely thought we’d void blast Wally and I’d never thought about that possibility, but after seeing it here again it seems like it’s the same thing we did with umbra: we sympathized with it, made an effort to understand its pain, and in the end took its pain away and helped it to move in
@mendlez2306
8 ай бұрын
Its perfect, it shows how the Tenno oppose the Man in the Wall, It gets stronger with indifference, the Tenno weakens it with empathy.
@oniontaster6449
9 ай бұрын
When its said "you are late" in th3 1999 segment i dont think wall said that. Imo wall finally gains controll at midnight and we dont have enough time left to stop him, therefore its albrecht who says "you are late" just before being taken over
@alexgrimm8964
9 ай бұрын
This right here. You ,sir, are making sense.
@oniontaster6449
9 ай бұрын
Now that i think about it midnight means going from 1999->2000. Did walgreens cause y2k or did y2k break albrechts equitment and let wallkers furniture in
@Voldrim359
9 ай бұрын
@@oniontaster6449 well, something was already happening in 1999 since we saw how a man named Arthur fought against infected TVs of some sorts, but i think there was something there that would make it harder to the man in the wall follow Albretch before 1999, after the midnight, entering the 2000 it wasn't harder anymore
@theliato3809
6 ай бұрын
Maybe something with the turn of a millennium and sufficient tech to work with brought him there. But his plan to break the time machine so TMITW couldn’t fallow him didn’t work so he came through. His your late to the Tenno/arthur could be that he expected you to find him earlier in the timeline before TMITW could and started causing trouble
@dustinwashburn1283
9 ай бұрын
I worked on ranking the Cavia up before anything else. It's rather heart-breaking to hear the tale of how they suddenly became aware, all while in a harrowing moment, and had to react within an instant of it. All of it leading to some poignant statements on what it means to be aware. I love Bird-3. He may seem to not be all there, but he is paying attention, and listening. And is likely the most emotionally stable of all three Cavia.
@CommentLeaver.
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for making these videos! As someone who loves deep lore but is unable to process the information in my brain myself you have my gratitude.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
As someone who spends many hours on these lore videos, I appreciate you for taking the time to watch them. It's a big deal to have all that work actually appreciated, so... thank you!
@Druidavet
9 ай бұрын
I love this type of channel because I'm too dumb to understand the deep lore... and because I don't have a master's degree in philosophy (goddam Warframe and its philosophical lore)
@Cyberlele02
9 ай бұрын
Couldn't have said better myself😅
@daydreamdirty
9 ай бұрын
I can partial out some but DsEIGE here got so much more out better
@raydxb1099
9 ай бұрын
In case you didn't notice, the man in the wall is just above the Sanctum Anatomica. Just go the sands pass the Vessel until you hear the ringtone. then look at the top of the Mountain thing.
@hunterofthemist7159
9 ай бұрын
that was something i noticed when i first played during the boss fight out there, i havent noticed anyone else actaually talk about that
@reapordeath
9 ай бұрын
if you look out in the expanse of the skybox you will see a few of them. i counted about 4, each of them with different emotions etched into their faces, with one of them spewing out sand endlessly.
@danielm7274
8 ай бұрын
WTF I NEVER NOTICED THAT
@TheDaxter11
8 ай бұрын
I see the faces but I don't hear the ringtone.
@zini3612
8 ай бұрын
The ringtone is actually from one of the pagers albericht uses, it's on the very end of the platform.
@infernalphantom7571
9 ай бұрын
Fun fact, that statue has a build time of 99 seconds
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
And you can rush it for 0 plat... I wondered if there wasn't something to that.
@infernalphantom7571
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGE I didn’t want to accidentally rush, then I accidentally spent plat on a weapon exilus
@doingboing4608
9 ай бұрын
it also has a credit cost of 19 as well, so in the foundry menu it shows 19 credits 99 seconds
@JC-tg5xx
9 ай бұрын
@@doingboing46081999?
@daydreamdirty
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGEI doubt it…. And I bet you’ll see more questions related builds going this route in the future.
@Psycorde
9 ай бұрын
Cool detail I noticed just now. When doppelganger mocks Loyd, he says "Like you, Loyd" in his true voice Which is the first time we heard him speak our language with that voice I think Also, is that vessel we touch at the end with ours fashioned after Albrecht himself?
@magdolnakruppa5081
9 ай бұрын
Honestly I thought that the vessels are the Entrati family. One in the middle (a woman) looks like Mother and one lying down resembles Daughter. I could be 1000% wrong, but their features just looks so familiar.
@Psycorde
9 ай бұрын
@@magdolnakruppa5081 I thought the same thing first time I saw them
@ardenumbraheart3278
9 ай бұрын
"Xata" means Truth and "Lohk" means Void if that helps any. Mara is often said to the Tenno themselves, so...maybe the end of the question is asking us about the truth and calling us like "void child" or something? Some languages put a word at the end even though translation would put it before the actual end word. (Just a theory.)
@bluprint27
9 ай бұрын
Tagfer does say "Mara Lohk" before giving you the Keyglyph for the Netracell, so you might be onto something here.
@xnyxiee1784
9 ай бұрын
Keep in mind that even then, canonically the translations are still up for debate and can't be taken as 100% accurate.
@AnonYmous-be5ir
9 ай бұрын
Maybe it's context based? Like the sequence, quantity, and intent of the sentence change the meaning of the words? Saying them in a sequence of 123 as opposed to 321 could be vastly different statements even without factoring context. Like wether or not it was a question or statement.
@skunkfu1x
8 ай бұрын
Someone said it could mean "do you see the truth void child "
@oArquidruida
7 ай бұрын
@@xnyxiee1784 xata and lohk are confirmed in-game already, just before the sanctum we can see some writings in the wall (before you go down the stairs, where the necraloid is) and it's some voice lines of albrecht explaining the translation of every requiem mod word we know yet
@unscanned_kuria
9 ай бұрын
Honestly, youre my favourite warframe content creator and ive been looking forward for this video ever since the update released! thank you so much for another amazing video!
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that, and I'm really glad you enjoyed it!!
@CaptainVien
9 ай бұрын
One thing I gotta say about this quest is, I love how were getting more human characters. Huge lack of them with the whole sentient war tbh
@fatboi8639
9 ай бұрын
The man in the wall has been built up for so many years. Can’t wait to face this guy head on in the upcoming years
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
ME TOO.
@manslayer691
9 ай бұрын
I don’t know if I want to fight wally through everything we went through and dealt with wally was there. Even in duviri drifter was still alive.
@daydreamdirty
9 ай бұрын
I’d rather not- because in the end he’s worse than what DE will ever come up with. They’ll make him be more tame so the rating for the game doesn’t plummet or change. Personally if Wally’s goal was to devour all life and to take over every system, I could see this as being akin to Deadspace 3 with that whole mess of the whole moon being turned into…. IT….. ugh no more spoilers.
@John-Alighieri
9 ай бұрын
@@daydreamdirtyOh god no please that moon twist was so dumb, i remember thinking that the monoliths were an alien artifact that morphed people into said aliens, i kinda was right but i didn't expect whole ass stellar bodies eating planets for shits and giggles.
@Ace4573
8 ай бұрын
It would be opportune for them to bring back the 8 player raid with a build up of TMITW as the boss.
@Psycorde
9 ай бұрын
I get the feeling, that 1999 is going to be akin to Duviri in terms of content and structure, beside the quest itself Open world set in 1999
@daydreamdirty
9 ай бұрын
Duviri just bothered me because it felt too comical- but now I’m glad I’m wrong. It just wanted to have fun with opening up the emotional spectrum a bit
@Szujhinzu
9 ай бұрын
Let's hope it'll differ in one specific matter - the release date numerous delays
@John-Alighieri
9 ай бұрын
@@SzujhinzuAnd the bugs.
@mahmouddjellali2774
9 ай бұрын
I think an open world 1999 is going to be so sick and didn’t really like the duvri paradox world it’s just felt boring
@Necroxion
8 ай бұрын
Or hear me out It'll be Dark Sector
@tevondelano
9 ай бұрын
Im glad your back giving us more lore buddy. I missed your content. Keep it up!!
@thelynxter733
9 ай бұрын
That’s cool and all, but I wanna know what the wolf of Saturn six is doing. He isn’t dead he is out there and single handily took on the corpus and overcame amalgamation somehow!
@Eli_Guy
9 ай бұрын
In one of the Veilbreaker missions, he was veiled by Narmer and is a boss battle Kahl mercy kills him
@reapordeath
9 ай бұрын
@@Eli_Guyno, he retreats just before being killed there too.
@annne6539
9 ай бұрын
Original Loid: "my Albrecht" ME: They F*cken!!
@worstfriend9456
5 ай бұрын
The only thing I learned from this Omg old man yaoi
@luce6764
9 ай бұрын
I personally am not a lore expert at ALL but I just wanted to voice my thought, I didn’t actually think it was about Loid’s indifference but now I think it might be that and what I first thought. I thought that since Albrecht is part of the man in the wall now (identity theft??? 😂) kinda well wouldn’t he also have the emotions of the people he has ‘become’? It feels kind of like weaponized emotions against the Indifference which i find interesting.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Well, maybe 1999 will shed more light on that, you never know!
@arkdelta637
9 ай бұрын
I can't help but wonder if the Man IIn The Wall is actuallyevil at every turn. Maybe the Tenno are being idiots. It wouldn't be the first time.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
This is true...
@95freakout
9 ай бұрын
Whatever we are doing is pissing him off. I THINK this quest is where for the first time we actually made him pissy and frustrated. When he is on that desk and he says if you keep... picking... AT IT. He seemed rather frustrated with us.
@CatboyPrincess
9 ай бұрын
@@95freakout it's not good to keep picking at old wounds but also sometimes, wounds need to be lanced or intentionally re-opened to allow it to heal better/differently.
@Saber9933
9 ай бұрын
I didn't hear Albrecht's last words to Loid at the start of the mission, but I used what I knew about the character to guess for the final line and I'm glad to say I guessed right.
@flownifacientbeatz8731
9 ай бұрын
Bro, you don't understand how I look forward to your videos. Your breakdowns help me see how deep and beautiful Warframe's lore is. I did realize that Orokin Society is based on Greek/Roman Culture paired with futuristic Sci-fi Elements. So Loid and Entrati didn't bother me as much. Great job as usual bro. You always amaze me.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
I wanted people to understand the complexity of things so that they might enjoy this because it really was a fantastic quest. I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Plenty more to come!
@NyghtWolf
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGEI love all the varied relationships between characters, & actually, your explanation track with Dagath's background too! Also a servant, assumedly in a pseudo-poly/casual relationship with the two Orokin she served.
@miserable2978
8 ай бұрын
I've seen a theory lately that the voidtongue phrase "mara lohk" translates to void demon, and that's why its used to refer to us so many times. so when Tagfer is trying to get out attention by saying "mara lohk! mara lohk!" he's essentially shouting "Tenno! Tenno!" at us. I wouldn't be surprised if the recurring question The man in the wall asks us ends up translating to essentially "can you hear/understand me, void demon/tenno?"
@TheDsIEGE
8 ай бұрын
I believe it's void child, for the same reason you're saying. Tagfer wouldn't call us void demon.
@valor1omega
9 ай бұрын
Maybe it's just me but I think the reason Loid was being an a**hat to the tenno and the animals was because it was a shield to hide his pain. He had to have felt betrayed, sadness, anger, and loneliness due to what happened with the man he cared deeply for. Or maybe i am just overanalyzing it.
@stevenarmstrong5467
9 ай бұрын
Yo, that ending boggled my mind. It makes me see that the void let you keep your essence, consciousness or spirit but in return you died, giving that dead body to the void which now puppets your corpse around. The drifter might be another part of your psyche that was also kept intact but had to be stored in an anomaly or paradox. A part of yourself that isn't a child. My theory is the void is what creates life or sustains it but it needs materials to do so. A catalyst to inhabit to take shape and form from all the data that material contains. And humans must have so much tasty information to play with, compared to a star, an atom or even the complex machinations of the sentients. The void has so many new emotions to experience and all the time in the world to toy with them. DE has got us in their game....are you willing to play to see if you can defeat the labyrinth of the corporate machine? Trust me. I'm a senator.
@singletona082
9 ай бұрын
Siege. Including the ballas quote when you did just... I WISH DE HAD DONE THAT!
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Did you like that? As soon as I saw it in game, I knew I had to include that.
@nissan.o4033
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGE It blended in so well that I didn't even notice it wasn't part of the original quest
@giraoshaw
9 ай бұрын
my one and only nitpick with this quest is that i wish Albrecht looked more like his portrait in the zariman. other than that i loved it and cant wait to see more
@Zal-TheBug
9 ай бұрын
I can get why that felt like a let down, I can only guess that continuity had something to do with it, or this strange "rebirth" he mentioned in the codex logs. Kinda tucked away and not told directly though, as usual with this game. Either way, I get ya.
@malaki7335
9 ай бұрын
He did look like that once. In his codex entries you can get in this update he explains that he was given new "skin" by Loid after what happened, falling into The Void, because his old body was all messed up.
@tyr573
9 ай бұрын
@@Zal-TheBugnew body
@miserable2978
8 ай бұрын
the orokin were well known to choose new bodies as their old ones wore out. so any kind of portrait work would only be accurate for one lifetime even if they didnt end up horribly disfigured and needing to be healed as he was.
@manslayer691
9 ай бұрын
I wanted to give the page to wally. Cause wally was the only one who gave us a chance and even supported us. Orokin tortured us and wanted us dead. Lotus tried killing us. The list goes on. The only thing that was there for us was wally and rell. He gave us immortality and powers. Wally even saved our sun from being destroyed by ballas.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
I mean... you're certainly not wrong, lol
@TheFallinhalo
9 ай бұрын
True but was that because it cares about us? doubtful the man in the wall only saved us because it wants something in return, its trying to turn us into its agent, it wants us and Clearly Albrecht for something. the only question is, is that something good for the universe itself? or are we only saving oursaves in the short term but screwing us longterm.
@manslayer691
9 ай бұрын
@@TheDsIEGE what’s funny is it wasn’t the orokin, lotus, or anybody else for that matter that saved us from the void. The only reason tenno exist and are alive in the actual sense of the word is cause wally saved us and sent the zariman out from the void. Even the hold fast faction is due to wally bringing them back from the dead. So if wally wants the page from a book made by an orokin wally gets the page from the book made by an orokin. Orokin have proven they have done more bad than good in every aspect of the word.
@Jodariel.
9 ай бұрын
Ballas tortured us* Lotus at the lowes point of her life, when she was more animal than Sentient tried to attack us from a chair where she was confined to*
@manslayer691
9 ай бұрын
@@Jodariel. like I said if wally wants the book wally gets the book. Wally literally help become everything we are in warframe as tenno and they were very few orokin or anyone else who would have cared or help us. Hell margulus was executed just for helping kids. If given a page to wally to even out the deal I say wally earned the page or even the book. Hell wally wants to invade the system more power to him. At the end of it all our powers and everything else belong to wally so we are his troops in all aspects of the word
@QuietButters560
9 ай бұрын
Absolutely amazing interpretations here. Love the part about how the vessels are actually people and how the ending dialogue choice actually had a “right” answer. Lots to uncover over the next while. Can’t wait to hear what you have to say about what’s to come.
@ethanvorn5153
9 ай бұрын
But it does raise concerns that we could be making wrong choices that could have consequences beyond our control. Because even if we pick a different choice in a replay, our choice in our first initial playthrough can't be changed.
@hebbu10
9 ай бұрын
@@ethanvorn5153 Doubt there would be that many differences other than a different line for certain things like how Helminth has depending on your alignment
@Eternalserpent915
9 ай бұрын
What question do you think the Indifference is asking? It has asked three times now, so it must seek an answer.
@ducontra666999
9 ай бұрын
since i come to play warframe and noticed that was our solar system in a distant future, i always wanted to see how it looked like in it's prime, how the orokin lived, how they begun, and the story is probably tell how it begun.... does warframes existed since before the orokin? or did the orokin existed since when? what is the currect year in warframe? how many time passed? ho similar is the human history compared to our?, i hope one day we get at last some of those questions awsered.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Me too, and 1999 may offer a bunch in that regard, finger's crossed...
@Eli_Guy
9 ай бұрын
35:41 Its curious that you mentioned the Tenno as a force that can win through both love and anger - considering the phrase "The opposite of love isnt hate, its indifference."
@iurycabeleira7990
9 ай бұрын
Could it be that The man in the wall is Alberts Indiference manifested while "we" are love manifested from the void and the original human is the one of the Duviri paradox. The void was empty and 2 humans created the avatars of Indiference and love destined to battle for the sake of the universe, a recurring human struggle
@soupgirl1871
9 ай бұрын
@@iurycabeleira7990 that would work if we didn't know fully how the Drifter came to be. They aren't the original, they're the only remaining version of the Operator from a different timeline where they went into the Void itself instead of accept any kind of deal. It is all based around eternalism yet not, as the deal has caused only the Operator and the Drifter's timelines to remain, it is weird and interesting
@gfussion
9 ай бұрын
Did any of you noticed that , that Harrow and Albrecht have the same pose ? Standing with a straight back both arms on their back. Could it be .... or is it just ....
@inductivebag4669
9 ай бұрын
I think lotus might have struck a deal with wally, to move lua into the void in old war, hiding her children within and keeping us safe from hunhow and stalker etc
@oArquidruida
7 ай бұрын
this sure looks promising
@roguespartan2854
2 ай бұрын
So if both us and her did make the same deal with him, things are going to get really complicated and nasty
@herrdoctoroetker
9 ай бұрын
A few thoughts: The lotus flower might not refer to our Lotus, but the religious symbolism of the lotus flower. As the beautiful flower grows from the muddy pond, something divine can grow out of our tainted physical existence. In the case of the tenno, they pilot horrific mutated flesh zombies with their void devil powers, but they try to do good. (The Lotus herself of course is a warmachine that turned into a maternal figure so it also works for her.) Crushing the lotus flower would symbolize there is no escape from the muddy pond; we cannot escape the void's horror and the stains it has left on us (Wally). I think Wally wasn't really trying to stop us because if we reach 1999 we will end up bringing him with us. Unlike the lotus flower we see ourselves as, when we try to do good it will be tainted. The implication of the void not being able to reach back to 1999 is quite interesting as well. Important research is stored on pre-2000 PCs (even necramech designs), the handheld devices look like pre-2000 tech as well, and the "vaults" are pre-2000 rooms. It would seem that even in the current time the conceptual "1999-ness" of the objects must give them some protection. Perhaps Wally cannot interact with or locate them without using us? I wonder if the Y2K bug is more strongly connected to the man in the wall than it seems? We already know the void blurs the lines between "real thing" and "concept". But the void is also nothingness, it contained no concepts in and of itself until the Wall of Lohk was opened. Like opening a door into the vacuum of space, it sucks in the concepts it is presented with. Did the void become entangled with the concept of the Y2K bug somehow? Did Albrecht manage to do this intentionally? Since the Y2K bug cannot logically appear until the date rolls over, it would be impossible for the man in the wall to interfere before then as well.
@TheDsIEGE
9 ай бұрын
Yes, it's definitely possible.
@Dementis1049
9 ай бұрын
The amazing thing about Warframe is that they always manage to take the story in a crazy new direction but always planted firmly in insane sci-fi concepts. I only wish the story quests ran a little longer so we can revel in the insanity of the story and it's concepts more.
@TheRandomYoYo
9 ай бұрын
On thing i have seen nobody mention. Loid is portraied in the biggining as being the janitor. He holds the hammer like a broomstick. And they make deliberate efforts to hide it the head of the broom until it is revealed to be a hammer. I truly think it is worth mentioning as it is indeed Loids quest. It all is about him as much as it is about the sequence. Why? Becuase Albrecht cared about him and by that so does the indifference.
@vrontheweb3749
9 ай бұрын
Very apt analysis. I think it was genius to add that line from Sacrifice in the quest ending.. really adds more meaning like DE should have put it by default. I have different interpretation of that scene however.. That indifference could not be manifested by Entrati? When we go all the way to the far end where the giant vessel appears, we can find Entrati's pager. But all it took was the memory of Loid's affection that enabled us to calm this manifestation of the indifference which appears to be, in multitudes.
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