An awful lot of this is caused because they wont just say "hull measure overrides the fact that u might happen to have a base too"
@jonpeacock5580
Ай бұрын
That Tyranid nerf is honestly more of a buff because now it confirmed that the zoans get the big guns never tire rule when in the unit. My group assumed that when a ruling came down it was just going to say monster models get to shoot only
@Kaadri
Ай бұрын
What ever happened to "simplified, but not simple"? Also, how the heck am I going to teach my friend the rules, and how to look up answers to confusing rulings? This is a nightmare...
@AlainPilon
Ай бұрын
@@LordBelakor THIS! Identical abilities should have the same name, no mater the faction!
@moderndavinci6599
Ай бұрын
It's been simplified. But it's not simple. It's still *'complex.'*
@bigpoppa1234
Ай бұрын
Go back to 3.5 or 4th ed. a few changes (change templates to d3 or d6's or blast small 2, blast large 4, flamer 6 attacks then roll to hit as normal, consider dropping the target priority rule, allowing split fire & using owner allocates wounds). Hell, you could go way back to just using the big rule book and index lists if you're not trying to break the game too hard.
@jasonbagley6948
Ай бұрын
The way GW is going with all these changes in 40K is making it easier for m to switch to other games
@dominicdwk
Ай бұрын
Man. We really need a digital rule book and digital codexes.
@jeremiegartner464
Ай бұрын
Ahh. I have to remember to pivot my warpsmith.
@redrix1787
Ай бұрын
Same with all my skitarii, it's great!
@nathanstruble2177
Ай бұрын
Did they remember to update Puretide Engram Neurochip? Or does it still effectively read "You may target this unit with a Stratagem"??
@DarkZergkill
Ай бұрын
A non-monster-non-vehicle-non-round-base-non-nonnery-non-nonsense-non-model . . why have a keyword system if you just fuck it all up with exceptions on top of exceptions. This is the most convoluted, slapdash rules-writing I have seen in a while. 🤦
@LordBelakor
Ай бұрын
@TacticalTortoise, can you tell me where it says, that the line of sight is drawn normally into the ruin? The rule change says: "For the purposes of visibility INTO ... a Ruin, visibility to ... such a model that overhangs its base is determines only by its base and parts of that model that do not overhang its base." So it got changed, you can not see Magnus if the base is covered and a wing sticks out. "normally" or before he would have been visible Also, within the text, in Ruins section, it is about models "behind Ruins." (first sentence) This would mean Magnus, behind a ruin, but sticking his wings around the ruin, wouldn't be visible anymore (and can't shoot around the ruin anymore) as his base is obscured by the ruin. Overriding the core rules visiblity rules. Even if in the core rules update 1.1 it says "Models that are within this terrain feature can be seen normally" doesn't mean the overhanging parts can be seen normally now after the new update. As the new ipdates wording bascily states that the model is within, wholly within and behind the model just the base and all parts of the model, that are over the model, and do not include the overhanging parts, if the model is within, wholly within or behind a model. Am I wrong here?
@Zayamad
Ай бұрын
So it only means that if his wing sticks into the ruin, but his base is not, then he is not visible. If his wing is sticking around the corner of the ruin, I believe he is still technically within los, as standard los is drawn to any part of the model.
@atomique3656
Ай бұрын
I thought the same as you but the whole rule stems from drawing line of sight throught a ruin so if a wing extend on the side then you can have a 1mm line without going "into or throught" the ruin
@Zayamad
Ай бұрын
@@LordBelakor my understanding is this is specifically clarifying that overhanging models are not in the ruin for visibility purposes as long as their base is wholly outside of it. This means if you can draw LOS to a wingtip outside of the ruin, standard LoS rules still apply.
@atomique3656
Ай бұрын
@@Zayamad I think he is right if for example a small sword points out of the wall but still within the ruins area, then you would not be able to shoot it
@gealgain2420
Ай бұрын
had a game vs grey knights yesterday, Opponent deep struck a dreadknight just 9" away, and got a 10" charge roll, but the way the base was oriented, wouldn't allow him to complete the charge due to the size of the base and obstacles. I felt bad pointing out that he would have to pivot the model and that would cost him 2" to complete the charge, which would make the otherwise great charge roll ineffective. It made me the "um, actually" guy. they need to work out some of the wording, bu tit's good to see them working on it.
@TheAgentmigs
Ай бұрын
DEM RULES BE BLOATED YO.
@dominicparker6124
Ай бұрын
BUNCHA SLOPPY GITZ IF YA ASK ME
@runeh3022
Ай бұрын
Has anyone seen any sort of official Vect ability ruling as far as multiple Archon's go?
@holdenchambers3986
Ай бұрын
NOPE! Cause tournaments refuse to run rules as written so gw doesn't know its a problem.
@runeh3022
Ай бұрын
@@holdenchambers3986 Maybe they didn't think it a real issue due to how much of the time Archon's are "off the table" in transports and aura's not stacking as such. Not easy to know of course, but I have to suspect they were familiar with the potential issue...
@holdenchambers3986
Ай бұрын
@@runeh3022 The rule is probably intended to only be the warlord archon considering major tournaments run it that way, and the first one to do it used input from someone who works on the rules. Realistically if they intended for multiarchon aura it would have been faq'd against the rulings, but after their fix to drukhari was sky splinter i am convinced gw refuses to test anything eldar or dark eldar.
@Benito22444
Ай бұрын
Cult ambush, It's under "replacement units", with count as reserve units when deploying
@combatcustodianb506
Ай бұрын
Cult Ambush sucks. Is a beyond horrible rule and needs to be thrown out. It is the sole reason GSC is awful right now. Damage profiles were nerfed because having those strong profiles come back easily was to strong in GWs eyes, and defensive profiles suck because having them better wouldn't allow units to die as rapidly, thus giving someone less of a chance to trigger an army rule (which isn't actually an army rule because it doesn't affect the army, just specific units) that has a higher chance of failure then actually working.
@talonrooney5558
Ай бұрын
Infiltrators will stop them. It is in the rules commentary for " Replacement Units ".
@Azzo114
Ай бұрын
Great summary, perfect to listen to while cooking lunch!
@wischfulthinking
Ай бұрын
I think you mean rapid ingress the Tiger shark?
@jorkbartoschkozlowski9097
Ай бұрын
Shit, it’s like they didn’t play test 10th before release to push 3 year edition cycle 😮😅😊 and try to fix an unfinished product underway #cyperpunk22#lazydevs
@moderndavinci6599
Ай бұрын
Honestly... Why do they run through editions so damn quickly?
@palwinderdhillon8242
Ай бұрын
@@moderndavinci6599because piggies will buy it without question
@ClassFInquisition
Ай бұрын
I like multiple updates, i also do not own anything physical, its all TTS.
@kylewells6871
Ай бұрын
This getting to be too much, this fucking game is already mentally draining as is, now all these faq and updates are just too much. Just got into firearms so now my money is going towards steel and lead rather than plastic and paint.
@AlainPilon
Ай бұрын
The game would be SO MUCH simpler if they forget the concept of measuring anything from the model and instead use the base. Like we did in the good old days. I played a few games of 10ed like that with a friend and everything is faster and cleaner as a lot of the rules and exceptions and exceptions to the exceptions can be discarded. It also has the side benefit of completely removing the concept of moding for benefit: you can do what every you want with the mini as long as it is on the correct base.
@epicrouter5892
Ай бұрын
There are models in the game that don't have a base
@AlainPilon
Ай бұрын
@@epicrouter5892 either you put them on one or use the part of the model which touches the ground. That is how we did it in 2ed and it worked fine and we were using per model LoS and casuality.
@palwinderdhillon8242
23 күн бұрын
Also remove pre measuring entirely
@PackOfPureWin
Ай бұрын
Am I the only one feeling 10th ed is more of a mess than usual? We keep jumping from update to update with each iteration breaking almost as many things as it fixes. Any problematic interactions are usually nuked without nuance or concern on how they might affect other systems.
@Notpopularopinion
Ай бұрын
Gw lost their ability to have a game. This hyper focus on rules while never giving armies a chance since the leagues of votann came out has essentially killed 40K. A lot of people will keep playing but it’s a dead corpse
@grahamwilliamson5306
Ай бұрын
It seems nobody on the GW team even plays the game.. a lot of untested changes constantly. That being said from what I've gathered being a fairly new player since the end of 9th, at least the games in a state where it's getting live fixes vs in the past you got what they gave you and dealt with it the entire edition. I couldn't imagine spending thousands on an army just for the codex to be useless and then stare at my investment for a couple years lol
@jasonbagley6948
Ай бұрын
No you are not
@caboose759
Ай бұрын
I mean, no? I think the game is healthier to have hot fixes and updates like this. Especially if we ever want to have completely digital rules in the future. Also nuance? There really isn't much nuance to this change. The units that got to pivot for free tended to already have a higher movement value. So all it was doing was leveraging the advantage even more. It would be different if every model that was taking advantage of it was like the doomsday ark or something. 10 inches of movement so since it's special it could essentially get two extra inches of movement. But that's not the case. Most models that were abusing this are movement speed of 12 or more. So certainly what would be a 2-inch advantage is 4 inches instead. That's not nuance, that's unbalanced.
@PackOfPureWin
Ай бұрын
@@caboose759 There are still several long units that gain distance when pivoting, but I'm not necessarily referring to the pivot rules. For example, saying Torrent weapons can't be indirect directly responded to TSons abusing their strategem. However, this brute solution gutted Grey Knight Purgation Squads as mentioned in the video. The last update introduced several big issues like Archons with Vect or the Tau strategem that now reads: "Pay 1 CP. Do nothing" I'm saying that the rules team finds an issue, solves it in the most direct way possible, creating new issues, which receive the same treatment and the cycle continues.
@palwinderdhillon8242
Ай бұрын
I’m glad I just play Heresy and older editions (pre 5th) of 40k. Holy fuck lol
@thomasdupuy116
Ай бұрын
That Ruins Visibility rule change is unfortunate, ive already seen 3 different interpretations of what is means
@uvz6539r
Ай бұрын
Lol... so war walkers and scout sentinals needs to pay movement to pivot lol
@thomasdupuy116
Ай бұрын
No, they have a round base and do not use flying/hover stands
@shadowywarrior
29 күн бұрын
SR so...rapid ingress?
@Darkaltaris
Ай бұрын
Does this mean the tesseract vault cant move anywhere anymore? Since its not the size of its base?
@thelegendsmith3063
Ай бұрын
4:50 targeted nerf against me and my purgation squad with flamers haven't even got 1st place only 2nd and they still attack Me 😢
@Zayamad
Ай бұрын
The Space Marines and their Salamander detachment would like to welcome you to the world of catching strays.
@Damnedlegion40k
Ай бұрын
More rules 😂
@davidcanty7903
Ай бұрын
I think I will stick with AoS for a bit. 4th edition was so clearly written.
@RobbSavag3
Ай бұрын
Bye
@moderndavinci6599
Ай бұрын
Age of Sigmar looks very fun. I got a starter kit and dominion box out of nowhere from family and friends, and am slowly pulling through assembling a stormcast army. But honestly, none of the armies in Sigmar really 'speak' to me like my 40K armies. I only got interested in stormcast cause I felt like I had to be considering I got so much of them for free 😅
@87mstockwe
Ай бұрын
@@RobbSavag3damn you mad
@palwinderdhillon8242
23 күн бұрын
@@RobbSavag3demonstrably mindbroken 40kuck
@NecroGoblin-yl2fx
Ай бұрын
lets remember that all tau battlesuits need to pivot and Tyranid Gargoyles also need to pivot. the warpsmith also and i could go on. the pivot movement rule just dont work, the old movement rule worked much better.
@highqualitycontentmaker6821
Ай бұрын
My friends and I don't play competitive, we all just agreed to do a sort of "rules WYSIWYG" no BS, no balance dataslates and random constant rules changes. Whatever is in the original 10th edition rulebook and the original codexes, we go with that. If we use the 40k app we agree for everyone to use the app at the same time for the sake of ease of access to datasheets and list building, but otherwise alot of this hyper technical nonsense takes away a ton from the fun of the game. GW is forgetting this game is supposed to be FUN or people will stop buying the product. The competitive scene seems like its such a shitshow right now when every few months the rules are being changed sometimes seemingly at random, making it incredibly hard to keep up with what the current rules. Extremely unproffessional behavior on GW's part, shame on them
@samhunter1205
Ай бұрын
The game on release was basically unplayable though. Do you not have any Eldar, Death guard or Ad Mech players? Do you not have any units with -1 damage effects, because these are totally busted RaW prior to the 'designers commentary' document (actually not a designers commentary, more like rules they didn't bother to put in the core rulebook). Sadly 10th was rushed to release way before it was ready.
@Wild_Cadger
Ай бұрын
This is part of the reason why I can no longer play GW games, especially 40k. Too many changes. It’s no wonder so many players make rules mistakes….
@wischfulthinking
Ай бұрын
Why are they so focused on bases for this rule? Dumb idea. It should just be by keyword because gw is so inconsistent with bases & conversions are a thing.
@palwinderdhillon8242
Ай бұрын
I simply am astounded by the amount of shit 40k piggies are willing to eat on a daily basis. When your rules are so good they need to be completely rewritten every 6 months 😂😂😂
@venom9341
Ай бұрын
this Pivot is the worst ever happened to 40k
@palwinderdhillon8242
Ай бұрын
Original pivot on vehicles just too hard for the average 40k players I guess. Just like counting by 5s or using wargear
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