In this video, I go over my thoughts on darkmantle now that I have used it in aq40. I mostly focus on the set's value for dagger rogues. / zatar_wow / zatar_wow
If anyone stumbles upon this video now that SOM is out, keep in mind that in original classic this set was released in phase 5, not phase 1. Enjoy
@Gematrinator
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks I almost shit my pants after spending like 500g and farming for hours lol
@jackeyjack
3 жыл бұрын
as sword rogue with full bis bloodfang is it still worth or try to rush 5piece 2.5
@Subdual1337
3 жыл бұрын
Go daggers
@fotomats8651
3 жыл бұрын
@@Subdual1337 lol
@dextros6229
3 жыл бұрын
swords is bis in every phase and yes 2.5 is better than full t2 regardless of if ur daggers or swords
@Visualize630
3 жыл бұрын
0.5 is awesome I'm daggers with renitaki+zg shoulders for 20ap set. It smashes in cleave fights & the darkmantle helps Alot to get set up into rotations. I love the rng, after awhile you get use to it's perfection.
@chatoarellano2276
3 жыл бұрын
for aq rep is there any way to turn in idols for rep like zg?
I have thoroughly enjoyed getting my dark mantle. I’ve also hit a point where I won’t be getting into AQ for at least a month. Unless I pug. So DM will be good for me.
@trancet
3 жыл бұрын
looking over my logs, i feel like the darkmantle set was great on twin emps, i think the Darkmantle proc is PPM, so the downtime between attacking helps, not hinders.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
That is not what ppm means. It is not a limit on how many procs you can get in a time period, it just means the proc had the same value despite weapon speed (not counting extra swings like sword spec, which favor slow weapons) Extra running = Less auto attacks = less procs
@jheluip
3 жыл бұрын
I use t2.5 helmet and darkmantle depending on the fight as dagger rogue
@ericurquhart4381
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input. Saved me from starting it.
@surveillant
3 жыл бұрын
or you could give tokens to other classes since t2.5 is a minor upgrade over darkmantle?
@surveillant
3 жыл бұрын
pretty sure if you didn't pass death sting you'd still be using darkmantle anyway, since you could use shoulders gloves boots and belt.
@surveillant
3 жыл бұрын
you'll also use darkmantle again in naxx?
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
@@surveillant the head piece has no competition, you get it very easily if you buy the tokens. You can use darkmantle money to do that.
@SometimesBuddha
3 жыл бұрын
imagine putting in extra work for the period of time where you don't have t2.5, and not rewarding your DM rogues t2.5 "because its a minor upgrade"
@ethanomihombre
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar No competition? Veklor's diadem also gives shaman helm and I was under the impression that 5/5 shaman 2.5 is HUGE for the raid healers.
@XenomorphsWrath
3 жыл бұрын
As dagger rogue who came with pretty much phase bis gear into AQ I got DM for myself. The set is so RNG heavy that any attempt of deliberat parsing goes out the window. Some times I get 0-2 procs on ebenroc, sometimes I get 8-10. 0-2 keeps me in the 65-78 parse range, 8-10 is obviously a 99, but it doesn't feel rewarding at all. Just rolling the dice and hoping for the best. The lack of stamina is brutal in AQ. This can be medigated by just getting used to the encounters, but my second ID had 11 deaths on me, where as we had "only" 5 wipes. At that point you might aswell throw yourself into the garbage bin. The quest chain itself was one of the most miserable experiences I had in my time playing classic so far... alot of people seem to enjoy it but for me it was just frustration after frustration after frustration. I feel safe when saying: Only the 10 hour war which was guild semi mandatory was more soul crushing than the t0.5 quest chain. Would I do it again if I knew all this? ... Yes ... because it will eventually lead to me beeing the first DS wielding rogue in our guild due to how the DKP rolled over from P4, but that is literally the only reason. The set itself can go f* itself and I will be glad once I am rid of it.
@glavatan
3 жыл бұрын
gotta say my dps since i got it as daggers is either the same or bit higher then before.. best rng was 430 energy gain on 3min Nef fight
@wocky123
3 жыл бұрын
Are you able to Backstab the tentacles in the stomach or just limited to SS
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
If you have aggro no. If Another dps down there has a aggro, yes
@Sqwurrelly
3 жыл бұрын
But most of the top parses in the world for rogues, daggers/swords alike are using darkmantle. Your guild SHOULD be supplying idols, and you can still use darkmantle with 2.5 helm token. I am running a 2.5 setup with darkmantle shoulders, chest, bracers and boots, which is still a DPS upgrade on accurate sims over P4 gear. My logs reflect it and so do top world parses. Its not a waste either from a raid wide perspective, because it allows your raids to focus on gearing warriors where 2.5 for them is a much more massive upgrade for their class than it is for ours. darkmantle to full 2.5 is a 1 dps upgrade for daggers, and a 10 dps upgrade for swords. 2.5 is over a 40-60dps upgrade for warriors.
@Sqwurrelly
3 жыл бұрын
You are also only using super supplemental evidence based on like a few bosses. Go look at silithid royalty with people stacking them for BF. LOOK at the difference with DM procs vs non DM proc DPS. IT POPS OFF ON MOST FIGHTS. Most of these arguments are nonsensical.
@Sqwurrelly
3 жыл бұрын
There are so many things wrong with this video. You can pool to 60 energy on C'thun incase of procs. Your logs reflect your lack of emphasis on min maxing dps. Using stam gear on sartura is such a meme, you have evasion AND LIP's. You didn't BS once during Sartura. You opt'd towards SS to stun the boss which ultimately only makes the encounter last longer and DR makes the value decrease EVEN more. Your tanks should be taunt juggling to minimize the damage on that fight, not sapping DPS by forcing rogues to wear stam gear... You didn't BS once during that fight which reduced overall raid dps and extended the encounter. IE more WW, more raid damage, more chances at death. If you are going to make content on youtube explaining why something is bad but only give supplemental evidence with no proof besides your opinion you are ROBBING players who don't spend as much time on the game as you the ability to gain ACTUAL game knowledge.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
1. Poolling energy to only 60 on c'thun is a DPS loss as dagger. It's actually better to keep your energy high and risk wasting a dark mantle proc than it is to Sinister strike too many times like you are suggesting. 2. Each Guild does fights differently, but I was tasked with stun locking Sartura. I was not focusing on DPS as my role was to try and get longest CC possible to reduce outgoing damage. I think we can both agree that me getting 5 combo Point kidney shots instead of three, will result in less whirlwinds than if I just did full DPS to the boss. Our first week sartura we had a lot of people die, that is why we went with a more conservative strategy and it worked out better for our Guild. 3. I didn't explicitly say in this video, but in the previous two videos I concede that the set is very good for parsing because its inconsistent nature. 4. You do realize each bug in the bug Trio heals to full health after each bug dies. Any blade flurry damage on that fight is completely meaningless.
@Sqwurrelly
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar we batch them ;)
@Sqwurrelly
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar and even so, you are talking potential output vs wasted energy ticks, I will take the SS any day of the week. Look through your logs on a week where your LOS was a massive hindrance on your energy ticks during none dark glare areas of P1. Waiting for potential opportune times instead of just trying to end the phase seems more prevalent to me. I had a log where I waited and got 7 BS in red all of p1 btw... It actually happens.
@Djolesabijacica
3 жыл бұрын
Having darkmante is great for me for example I can pass some tier pieces to other rogues, also i can pass Qiraji Execution Bracers and Gloves of Enforcement and get prio on some other items that I want. There are so many options with having DM set. On fights like huhu or firemaw u can put a lot of fr or nr gear and still having 4 pieces on, which helps a lot etc... I'm sword rogue. I didn't want to invest time and money for the set, but I'm glad I did. I have heard some stories that DM will be used in p6 and you will just rotate pieces to have 4 set bonuses depending on other BIS gear you have. One more advice, if you are horde go for Darkmantle you have more benefit from WF totem and Rend buff, gives you more chance to proc. Edit: one more thing. Darkmantle is much better in early p5 before you get all the loot from the AQ, which is now.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
For sword, it has much more utility, but for dagger it's only barely better then p4 bis anyway. You can still pass on everything you want even with p4 bis. It's just that one you get the helmet, which will happen very quickly because of low competition for that token, darkmantle will be replaced immediately.
@Evan-wv4hz
3 жыл бұрын
At this point I’m doing darkmantle farming for fun. Your gold making videos made me a killing and I’m not strapped for gold.
@ahkira1041
3 жыл бұрын
What do you do? I just got 60 and I'm lost and poor.
@Evan-wv4hz
3 жыл бұрын
AHKira Zatar has a walkthrough in stealth farming RFD for small radiant shards. It’s a very lucrative and consistent farm. You can also find bloodvine herb farming in ZG and that’s a very good money maker if you practice a little. Also just her herbing in EPL during raid hours is a great gold per hour. There is a lot of different farms but I’d recommend you do a little bit of everything because everything you farm produces 1 more of that item into the economy and pushes the price down. You have to have a couple different things that you can on demand go do based on what’s spiking in value and has an Increase in demand
@Phishyification
2 жыл бұрын
this set is gonna totally bust open rogue itemization in SoM...im excited!
@wzz7380
3 жыл бұрын
For fury warrior , the 3 part : Spaulders, Chest, Legs are a massive upgrade And not only DPS wise, i mean, take 2 warrior with : drake talon pauldron, savage gladiator chain and titanic leggings, = 30 stamina (37 buffed) / 63 strength (78 buffed = 156 AP) / 34 agi (42 buffed = 2.1% crit) / 2%hit / 3%crit / 1601 armor conqueror spaulders, chest and legs = 83 stamina (103 buffed) / 87 strength (108 buffed = 216 AP) / 61 agi (76 buffed = 3.8% crit) / 2%hit / 2440 armor The difference is unreal, all fury prot and fury warrior of any raid into a serious guild should have this parts before every other class For normal guilds, it should go fury prot prio anyway imo
@Sqwurrelly
3 жыл бұрын
TRUE
@Owlsey9
3 жыл бұрын
Actually you don't get tier faster with the tokens, tokens are shared between classes and are also limited, where you had a couple shots at sometimes even more than one tier dropping in BWL.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
I was not suggesting you get tier faster than blackwing Lair, I mean tier will be completed quicker than expected because the tier tokens are guaranteed in aq. There are pieces of tier, such as the helmet that will be easier to get than items in Blackwing Lair because of the low competition.
@h0lyhandgrenade
3 жыл бұрын
I’m usually in agreeance on 90% of your videos but this one I can’t get behind or agree with. This set is unreal for swords, not just merely good. Daggers yeah it’s not as godly but it’s pretty nuts if A) you care about dps and B) you account/pool/game your energy appropriately for certain fights like emps/cthun etc. I have literally every bis for everything rogue in the game and I will tell you I will NOT be wasting dkp on deathdealers until I get the big ticket items. As like you said it’s guaranteed to drop, and dps wise it’s not really better or equal to darkmantle until you have the entire 2.5. It’s mainly a stam upgrade when you do. Big brain move is do not waste your spend early on 2.5 and wait for pugios/death sting if you have full dark mantle 4p bis.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you have see my prior videos on darkmantle, but darkmantle daggers is only .6% more damage then p4 bis in perfect conditions. In perfect conditions all it takes is the helmet for phase 4 bis to be better on average in all situations. However, phase 4 bis is better than darkmantle for daggers when you consider aq40 fights, where darkmantle for dagger has reduced value. For sword, I do think darkmantle is very good and worth getting, but I also think it's worth mentioning that you will take off the gear in 1-3 fights in aq40 and that 2.5 tokens are dropping more than some of us might have anticipated.
@vancetheman5760
3 жыл бұрын
Always thought darkmantle was overrated aswell and the rogues in my guild have proven my points aswell since they are usually significantly doing less dmg than i do. Im not gonna say DM is trash but just not worth the time spending into getting that. As for the set itself i d say it can be pretty good if u have good RNG but frusttrating when the RNG isnt in your favor. Also without world buffs it will feel very lacking. The set can have high highs but very low lows.
@jt_on_youtube
3 жыл бұрын
BWL bosses are all dead in 60 secs or less, Vael in 30. AQ boosses except for Twin Emps and C"thun are all sub 2 min. The 2 darkmantle rogues we have rarely even get 1 proc in some of these fights. Not worth it.
@Soccerwin222
3 жыл бұрын
I think Darkmantle adds a lot of game play, albeit RNG based, but it makes playing a lot more fun. Didn't you pass up on Death Sting because it "didn't add anything fun to game play" despite it being the single handed biggest DPS increase? DM set definitely isn't as powerful but that + renataki's makes raiding pretty damn fun when you get some procs.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
Darkmantle can punish you for playing properly, and that was frustrating to me. For example on C'thun, in phase one in the footage I showed, I pool energy to 94 waiting to backstab, and I got a proc that only was worth 6 energy. It feels bad, but it's still more damage than not pooling and using sinister too much. I personally do not think darkmantle adds much play beyond mashing backstab. I am happy to take it off now that I have a setup that does more damage on paper as well.
@Soccerwin222
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar That's fair, I guess I like it since its another layer of mechanics that you have to pay attention to and work around. However, I have yet to step foot in AQ as a dagger rogue, since Fairbanks has not finished our war effort yet XD so my experience has only been BWL with world buffs still which I enjoyed with DM set. I'm sure AQ40 is going to be a different story like you said.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
I also went into a q40 optimistic about darkmantle to be honest. But after wiping to Twin emps and c'thun a lot, my guild had a ton of attempts on those fights and by the end of it, I really wanted to take off my darkmantle.
@Emilgod
3 жыл бұрын
Well its an extra layer of RNG on top of RNG so a lot of highs and lows, you might not notice the highs as much its just human nature, but you will 100% notice the lows so its 'feels' bad
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
Will there is highs and lows in any content, but for the fights specifically in aq the set does not perform as well as in other content.
@King_Konglish
3 жыл бұрын
At least it was fun to get all of the pieces :)
@redhead1441
3 жыл бұрын
Another thing to note is that while 2.5 is guaranteed, most good guilds won’t give their rogues 2.5. It’s hard Fury Prot prio > DPS Warrior > Rogue. So they’re kinda shafted. We run 10 fury warriors so that’s a big oof.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
The helmet token does not compete with Warriors. The idols do, but you can buy those, and depending on server they might be even cheaper than darkmantle.
@redhead1441
3 жыл бұрын
Zatar I wasn’t specific enough. Fury’s are higher prio on shoulders/legs.
@prax0r
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video ... no facts just feelings ...
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
Fact time? 1. P4 bis + 2.5 helm > 4pc dm in Garcia spreadshhet for daggers. 2. Helm token only really competes with shaman. 3. If your guild does not give you idols, you can spend money you would have used on darkmantle to make the head and your better off.
@TheTauroi
3 жыл бұрын
is it good for Viscidus?
@LillKidVic
3 жыл бұрын
No
@XenomorphsWrath
3 жыл бұрын
Full NR / Stamina gear on viscidus if you run the sapper strat, mix of NR and damage if you stay outside till he is ready to pop (would still recommend stamina over damage gear to be honest..) . Do not spam SS during Viscidus unless you are trying to kill blobs or shatter the already frozen boss. The Global CD blocks out the frost procs which is the only thing mattering while freezing him up. Dark Mantels energy gain is completly worthless in this fight.
@larshornung7713
3 жыл бұрын
I have to say as a dagger rogue. I like the Set! I di Not have dft even and beat full Bis sword rogues with mala and cts and dft, an i didnt even have too good procs. But 3 procs per fight is enough! I like it, if you dont thats your thing, but i wouldnt say its Not Worth getting or wearing
@jt_on_youtube
3 жыл бұрын
Ya but in a good raiding guild fights dont even last 60 seconds. Sure it shines in 2-5 mins fights but less than you may not even get a proc. Vael is a sub 30 second fight , most other BWL bosses are less than 60 seconds, and outside of Twin Emps and C'Thun, those fights are under 2 min as well. I just dont see Dmantle being that good when your overall raid dps is high and fights are sub 2 mins.
@Bleedingcowz
3 жыл бұрын
@@jt_on_youtube why mention vael? no one gonna be using darkmantle on that fight
@DawkinsTools
3 жыл бұрын
The rogue T2,5 is not 'the best'. It might be the biggest upgrade but the shaman 5 set is amazing.
@jonop1499
3 жыл бұрын
Warrior t2.5 specifically chest legs and shoulders are a massive upgrade for warriors and especially with more tankassigments in AQ and naxx definitely the way to go for guilds.
@chilly22
3 жыл бұрын
i can tell you darkmantle was massively underwhelming for swords too. sadly it all comes down to the procs. if you get a lot of procs in a fight.. its a small improvement in dps. if you just get one proc or none at all.. its a downgrade. i used it for one AQ40 then i took it off and went back to tier 2.
@sapu1344
3 жыл бұрын
Dmantle with swords is just night and day. no wonder top 100 swordies use it.
@Lordturisas1
3 жыл бұрын
6:45 they let sunders fall off. Gross.
@dokilar1
3 жыл бұрын
Sure maybe if you're in a guild that's clearing aq40 every reset maybe it's not worth it. On my server we are just now pugging BWL. For me, someone who wont be in aq40 for a long time, it's absolutely worth it. It's worth it even more for those who cant even get into 40 man raids.
@kurtsshotgun
3 жыл бұрын
Which server is that?
@dokilar1
3 жыл бұрын
Ashkandi
@MS-pw6jx
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. If people want to say they got it because at the time it was thought to be absolutely BIS and it was fun content, they can. But anyone telling you it's absolutely BiS and you need to spend the money and time to get it or you're hamstringing yourself on performance is just justifying the time/gold investment to themselves.
@JohnMr7
3 жыл бұрын
I slightly disagree. It’s more RNG dependent, but with my DM set bonus mixed with off pieces and some T2 with AQR and brutality blade.... I’m miles ahead of other rogues in my guild 9/10 fights. And we have 2 rogues with their full 2.5 set. I’m still beating them overall. Daggers is a different story
@alphasromeo96
3 жыл бұрын
Its RNG gear. Its chance / proc. You can have absolute terrible luck and take a huge hit to your DPS. Its like throwing on crusader over Agi / striking. You're taking a risk at it. I would not consider it BiS
@JohnMr7
3 жыл бұрын
Adam Robare from my experience, it’s on average more dps tho. If somehow you had a 90% chance to win a million dollars, you wouldn’t take it? 9/10 fights for swords specifically it will come out on top
@alphasromeo96
3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnMr7 my bad I did not see the lat part of the comment. Yeah I think for swords it can definitely throw you ahead more consistently, I'm daggers and I've had the few fights I noticed it helps then other fights where my dog was significantly lower.
@lukey_woof
3 жыл бұрын
it's weird... I've never heard of or seen you before... but I WAS LITERALLY CONTEMPLATING THIS AND YOU POPPED UP
@Visualize630
3 жыл бұрын
I felt the same of darkmantle that shit should of came out in p3 or p4...
@soab24
3 жыл бұрын
"should of came" kill me now.
@thatsawesomelol
3 жыл бұрын
why does this have so many dislikes lol, this is a great analysis
@W4lkst4r
3 жыл бұрын
Minmax players will always be minmax. Bottomline: if youre a casual dont go for darkmantle thats it. Edit :A bonus about DM is you can flex alot with your gear and pass up tier pieces and try get weapons instead. Final edit : I want to add DM has a great value when fully wbuffed esp with WCB
@Noobism
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you someone gets it. This notion that tokens diminish the value of DM is just wrong. You can now choose to grab a bigger piece sooner then later. Example, ppl in DKP guilds will have to decide which route they will go, so the luxury of getting full tier 2.5 asap wont be happening.
@johnsoe1676
3 жыл бұрын
t2.5 is best for ret pala
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
Sure, but i think we can both admit that most guilds don't usually have many ret Paladins.
@lasergames1798
3 жыл бұрын
Kag is 3rd
@JohnMr7
3 жыл бұрын
It’s better for swords. I’m using Darkmantle with some off pieces and T2 mix.... AQR and BB swords. And I’m miles ahead of other rogues in 2.5 in dps
@TheFitDragon
3 жыл бұрын
too bad you are missing out, with jom gabbar is so much fun. The energy procs during the last 6 seconds is absurd. Enjoy 2.5 heh, I am swords
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
Jom gabbar is actually terrible with dark mantle. When you have Jom gabbar up, your aim should be to delay using your abilities until the last moment, so each ability is benefiting from as much attack power as possible. If you're using it properly with dark mantle, most procs will be completely wasted. If you are not waiting as long as possible to use your abilities, your abilities throughout the duration will lose the benefit of 75-150ap per ability.
@TheFitDragon
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar u don't wait for anything, sure you pool to 70 energy but you dump then thistle, any procs of DM during that is just extra dmg, hard to explain I guess
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
If you were at 50 energy with Adrenaline Rush up and jom gabbar, you would gain damage waiting, allowing your energy to go to 90, gaining another stack of jom gabbar before Sinister striking.
@TestAccount-uu9vp
3 жыл бұрын
dunno if this guy is trolling but why would blizzard make a new t2.5 set that is worse than t2? answer: they wouldnt
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately you have countered your own point. This is dungeon set 2, otherwise known as tier .5 Tier 2.5 comes from aq40
@TestAccount-uu9vp
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar lets agree to disagree
@mattysweetwater1669
3 жыл бұрын
So glad I never bothered.
@alexandretatto8570
3 жыл бұрын
must be nice having gates open since week 1 and having prio over other people on tokens.
@angeldemore6922
3 жыл бұрын
yeah like this is like a rich kid complaining. no one fucking cares. alot of us are in dark mantle because we ARENT #1 prio in our loot council guild. And never will be because we aint suckin the guild leaders sdick
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
The head token has very little competition. All the other items suck except shaman head, which they only want with 5 set. So yes in general, you might not be first for all tier, but the helmet is the exception, and the helmet alone is better than darkmantle if you have phase 4 bis.
@alexandretatto8570
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar gates just opened on my server and rogues DO get prio on helm! but I didnt know for a fact that getting helmet meant abandoning darkmantle. thought that only happened after. good to know. still frustrating though.
@benbryant7583
3 жыл бұрын
1400 EXTRA energy using Darkmantel on Twins for us tonight in AQ40. Now if you cant turn that into enough extra dps than t2.5 then your not rogue'ing right! ::D (edit: removed word not meant to be there)
@gnocchi7674
3 жыл бұрын
More energy isn't strictly more DPS. If you're dealing less damage per point of energy than you're gaining from the energy, it's a DPS loss. The reason darkmantle is overrated is because the raw stats you lose switching to darkmantle is not worth the extra energy you gain from it.
@Theinternetisgarbage
3 жыл бұрын
Snomie says otherwise....
@Owner101Acc
3 жыл бұрын
and Sarthe, and the sims
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
I used the Garcia spreadsheet in my second video. You can test it yourself, see what is more damage dm + p4 bis or 2.5 helm + p4 bis.
@jt_on_youtube
3 жыл бұрын
Snomie said its good for 2+ min fights...not too many guilds take that long on bosses anymore
@matthewlorimer7234
3 жыл бұрын
its a cheap alternative to those who wont be getting T2.5. i have to disagree as a Dagger rogue you dont run Evic/SS, so the Set bonus is worse off and wasted, you could argue the Stats outweigh the DM, but when DM is giving me, a Dagger rogue, 500 extra Energy a Fight outside of AR, i beg to differ with your assesment that DM isnt good.
@miniwing
3 жыл бұрын
Alright I think you're missing the point of the Darkmantle, honestly I didn't watch the whole video. You get all the pieces so that you can mix and match 4 pieces for the 35 energy proc with other items and set bonuses. the Energy proc's are trackable on warcraft logs if you want to see just how much DPS is being gained by using Darkmantle, and the Rogue discord has the math as well.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
I know the math, I have made detailed videos about how the math for dagger shows .6% increase with darkmantle in perfect conditions (patchwork fight, full Buffs, long fight duration). If 1-2 of those conditions are not met, phase 4 bis is better. All it takes is one helmet for phase 4 bis to be better than darkmantle in all situations on average.
@XenomorphsWrath
3 жыл бұрын
especially for daggers the effectiveness of the 35% energy proc goes massively down in value if you are not wearing your best choices for the 4 pieces of DM, to a point where we are talking an avarage DPS increase of maybe 5 (relative to p4 bis). (That's half of what the "optimal" pieces give dagger rogues.. ) ... so ..no ... please do not just mix and match random pieces of that set to get the proc if you want to do it for the damage increase. If you want to do it because you like the proc please enjoy :) nothing wrong with that.
@tomdrossart4130
3 жыл бұрын
Short answer: no. Long answer: well.. lets take a look
@Alex-cp8du
3 жыл бұрын
Short Answer: Overrated / Not Worth. XD
@theinsanephoenix
3 жыл бұрын
Please look at all the top rogues in Warcraft logs. This fellow has NO IDEA what he’s talking about. Every top tier rogue is rocking DM set 4p. Stop spreading rubbish info please.
@theinsanephoenix
3 жыл бұрын
Which realm and faction does this fellow play? He literally doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
@Rave.-
3 жыл бұрын
Now you're just embarrassing yourself Zatar.
@bcooper3588
3 жыл бұрын
TL:DW My guild has slow kill times and I parse low, therefore darkmantle sucks.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
You realize fast kill times make dark mantle worse right?
@bcooper3588
3 жыл бұрын
@@Zatar Which is ironic that you still don't like it even though you are benefiting from the slow kill times. I understand that longer flights means more procs. However, let's say you have a 30 second huhu kill and you get 2 procs in that fight, that allows you one more backstab in a smaller window which means your ceiling is much higher than without. My grievance with this video is that you are disagreeing with the entire rogue community based off how you feel using the gear. While also not having the parses to validate anything you said. We know DM isn't as good for daggers, but it is still better than what you're wearing right now on average and the parse potential of the gear is even better.
@Zatar
3 жыл бұрын
B Cooper, you can literally use a spreadsheet, darkmantle is worse than my current setup. Watch my previous videos using spreasheets. The spreadsheet is average darkmantle dps with perfect conditions, and all it takes is 2.5 helm for it to be outshined on average even in best case situation for darkmantle. Then when you consider darkmantle performs worse than the ideal spreadsheet on every fight in aq40 except fankriss and maybe huhuran, there is definitely merit for my position.
@gaslichttorwachter5939
3 жыл бұрын
Was Darkmantle Overrated? Yes. Always been
@mattd582
3 жыл бұрын
As an admin of the rogue discord dont listen to Zatar. He likes to think DM is bad and Deaths Sting is bad. Big cope because he is loot banned I guess
@mattd582
3 жыл бұрын
Also he is a rogue officer of the speed running guild while having the worst rogue parses in the guild! cant find the logyc there!
@mattd582
3 жыл бұрын
Also he got to level 10 on hardcore leveling challenge if you want to listen to this goober go ahead but I get my advcice from kagnetix - earthfury
@lurker993
3 жыл бұрын
Do you know what appeal to authority is? Or ad hominem? They're logical fallacies that you keep repeating. Rather than actually arguing the subject itself, you're pointing at things that have nothing to do with Darkmantle. You sound like a super salty nerd that got called an idiot in a video game, freaking out pointing at everything to prove you're right except the subject itself.
@mattd582
3 жыл бұрын
@@lurker993 Well Mr. LeBouef you can attack my arguments as fallacy all you want, but do understand I am implementing an attacking on Zatar's Ethos. I do not know if you have the intellectual capacity to understand Aristotle's writings on Nicomachean Ethics but it is worth the read.
@mattd582
3 жыл бұрын
Let me dumb it down for you. I am as likely to take health advice from a morbidly obese individual as I am to take DPS advice from a median 61.7 parsing rogue.
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