The short of it is in the end, be kind, be respectful, and be logical but if you could please check out my history video on Hannibal’s victory at CANNAE I would appreciate it kzitem.info/news/bejne/zYqCyWGtfZeoY20
@OffGridInvestor
Жыл бұрын
There's ALWAYS people trying to make great characters of history THEIR RACE. Like the "black jesus" people saying "he could've been black! Why is ye always depicted as white". He WAS JEWISH and that's WELL KNOWN and actually very obvious IN THE BIBLE.
@nox5555
Жыл бұрын
@@OffGridInvestor yeah he was most likely white with red-brownish hair. his teachings are clearly hellenistic and there is a good chance that he looked a bit like alexander...
@DallasHarv
Жыл бұрын
to the individuals who proclaim " from Africa means they are black"... I always toss them the reminder that Elon Musk is from Africa. he is literally an African American.
@tuluppampam
Жыл бұрын
@@nox5555 not really white but you wouldn't consider him black More like a light brownish colour
@dywirnach783
Жыл бұрын
But we do have some Latin writings that explain the Carthaginian’s colture to the Roman’s and the facts that they didn’t make a huge distinction for their character o physiology means that they dress and act and were really similar to southern /Mediterranean (Sicily ,Greece , etc) … We need to take in consideration also that the Main colony for them were Spain and south Italy not Africa … If you mix all of this information it’s totally acceptable a white but a dark tone (after uv lamp and dark hair)or a olive skin color …
@zeppelin4876
Жыл бұрын
There's a reason historians and Anthropologists separate North Africa and Subsaharan Africa..
@PimpolloMorales
Жыл бұрын
The reason is usually racism though. There are differences, but they force a divide often by denying the intense influences they had on each other. The nubians were allllll over and dont get talked abt in terms of egypt
@Will_Parker
Жыл бұрын
@@PimpolloMoralesthat's just absurd and anyone who knows anything about geography or genetics knows how stupid that statement is.
@luk4s56
Жыл бұрын
@@PimpolloMorales Racism wasnt even a thing until Americans invented it.
@JoseRodriguez-bl3vt
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s strange how people nowadays can’t fathom that the massive, larger than many countries, sized desert could possibly impact movement of peoples, culture, trade, or ethnicity on either side in a pre-modern world. North Africa has had a lot more interaction with the rest of the Mediterranean, and the Middle East, than sub-sahara Africa has had. In addition the continent itself is very massive, the people are not a monolith.
@talleywa5772
Жыл бұрын
@@JoseRodriguez-bl3vt So the parts that became thriving civilizations were the ones that i teracted woth whites. Got it.
@historyfan6684
Жыл бұрын
Similar to the problem people seem to have with Cleopatra. I have had several arguments with people who insist she was black. Not only was the woman a Macedonian Greek but her family tree didn't even have any branches. I mean the Ptolemys sure believed in keeping it in the family.
@igormac9431
Жыл бұрын
macedonian. unless they were of a mixed lineage you can't say Macedonian Greek. either Greek or Macedonian two different ethnicities.
@ianmacdiarmid1249
Жыл бұрын
Well, there is some speculation about who her mother actually was. Might have been a native Egyptian
@historyfan6684
Жыл бұрын
@@igormac9431 I know I just say that to piss them both off
@als3022
Жыл бұрын
@@ianmacdiarmid1249 Still not sub Saharan though.
@historyfan6684
Жыл бұрын
@@ianmacdiarmid1249 I thought it was her grandmother but yes. Either way my joke stands, strong like a tree with no branches
@clover4925
4 ай бұрын
Anyone thinking "being from africa means black" is so damn stupid. Africa is a whole continent with a lot of very different people
@onionbajii8867
4 ай бұрын
considering the name Barca probably means 'of Barca' and barca being an ancient Greek city in North Africa, so white haha
@alihashim3855
4 ай бұрын
@@onionbajii8867Barca is Semitic word meaning "lightning" has nothing to do with the city.
@williamfrank962
4 ай бұрын
@@alihashim3855to add to this I believe he was called son of the lightning bolt which is where his name derived from.
@Boretheory
4 ай бұрын
@@williamfrank962yes his tactics relied on speed and deception which is where the name come from.
@cuongquoc5877
3 ай бұрын
It's like claiming people in Asia as just looking like Chinese when Asians are more diverse than that. Even Europeans are more than just white, with Hispanic, IndoEuro and so on
@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194
5 ай бұрын
Historians: "Hannibal Barca was North African." Afrocentrists: "If he's African, he's black!"
@LS-jv9hp
4 ай бұрын
WE WUZ KANGZ
@aisthetikos7721
4 ай бұрын
They didn’t know who hannibal was before netflix and twitter told them
@siege2928
4 ай бұрын
It's a small group of people that are effectivly cultural 3 year olds... licking things to claim them as their own.
@garychief2338
4 ай бұрын
We wuz kangs...of slave empires.
@MOBXOJ
4 ай бұрын
Afrocentrism is very annoying and this is coming from a Sudanese Nubian.
@DrDOOM-xs8jm
Жыл бұрын
For some reason people don't seem to understand that Africa is HUGE and North Africans aren't the samr as South Africans.
@hectorrico7267
6 ай бұрын
So in your opinion 2 people can both be from Africa but both can't be black? Why? Based on the actual skin tone? So if an Algerian is light skinned then he is considered white?
@sid-alitelab8958
6 ай бұрын
well if he's white he's white, if he's black he's black, if he's brown he's brown, in north africa we are usually brown or white until you go to the sahara@@hectorrico7267
@tunisi-dz2tf
5 ай бұрын
im north african more specifically tunisian
@sid-alitelab8958
5 ай бұрын
@@tunisi-dz2tf khawa khawa 🇩🇿 🇹🇳
@roberto-xg6ld
5 ай бұрын
@@hectorrico7267 Bro, listen doesnt mean if your african, means your all the same skin tone. its the same of saying ur american and ur white. Look at the features of northafricans and south africans. Its a large gap between them. by face features alone they are so different. so cry to ur lefties parties
@NorthSeaRaider
Жыл бұрын
If you thought this was controversial just wait until somebody says “the Egyptians were black”
@AM-mu2kv
Жыл бұрын
Egypt has always been a multi ethnic nation
@poutsovgalthsxarilaos5663
Жыл бұрын
@@AM-mu2kv yeah ofc with 95% being olive skin people and the rest being black cause of the close visinity of the kush . even in hellenistic egypt it was a very rare site to seea black man . also the very same egyptians though themselves way different thatn the kushites to the point that made very clear distinctions in their art
@ChrissieBear
Жыл бұрын
@@AM-mu2kv Yes, but one of those ethnicities was "Egyptian", as in the endemic ethnicity of the area. Neither black like the people from the south nor pale like the people from the middle east, the endemic Egyptians always depicted themselves as different from both groups. Therefore they were their own ethnicity.
@AM-mu2kv
Жыл бұрын
@@ChrissieBear the copts were the ruling ethnicity but no you are wrong Egypt formed 3150 B.C was formed after the union of different kingdoms, they never were a single ethnic group.
@fnansjy456
Жыл бұрын
@@AM-mu2kv the copts didn't exist back then they are just Christian Egyptian. There was a an Egyptian ethnic group .
@onyxxxyno
4 ай бұрын
"He was African, he was very clearly black" tell that to Morocco 😂
@gustavju4686
3 ай бұрын
Or Tunisia (where Carthage was)
@nathanclaspell6003
3 ай бұрын
Or Egypt.
@Munthasir123
2 ай бұрын
Well Afrocentrist believes Black people used to live there but Europeans and later Muslims invaded and drove them south. So when you will point to Morocco they will say these are invaders.
@ra_alf9467
2 ай бұрын
@@Munthasir123kinda pathetic to think that the "WE WUZ KANGS N SHIETS" folks got defeated by a bunch of dudes from plague ridden muddy villages and desert nomads.
@pepenger_in_the_bushes
2 ай бұрын
@@ra_alf9467it always like that with any culture-centrist. "-We had technologies that looked like magic to those who doesn't belong to our culture. -And who destroyed your utopia? -Hobos with sticks and shit" something like that of course happened to Rome Empire, but Gots wasn't hobos at all, and Rome wasn't magic utopia either
@gm6892
4 ай бұрын
Same guy probably thought cleopatra was black
@thunderman21
2 ай бұрын
We know for a fact she wasn’t as white as Elizabeth Taylor.
@matiusbond6052
2 ай бұрын
thats because cleopatra was known as black
@nielsdejong
Ай бұрын
No, but she was still of greek royalty, so white :)
@AB45469
Ай бұрын
She was Greek royalty@@matiusbond6052
@MkOnthaGame
23 күн бұрын
Nobody really knows for sure . We can only analyze the statues and the stuff that they built left behind . All of their statues have black features
@muhammadashshiddiq8752
Жыл бұрын
saying that hannibal is black because he was born in Africa is like saying Elon musk is black because he was born in Africa.
@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347
Жыл бұрын
(2)
@brianvinzant1893
Жыл бұрын
Are you saying Elon isn't black??????
@IamRayson
Жыл бұрын
@@brianvinzant1893 Elon is an honorary black man given his drive to make multiple baby mommas…
@Knightshospitaller
Жыл бұрын
In that case, JRR Tolkien is black because he was born in South Africa
@szadun
Жыл бұрын
Elon is the richest and most successful African-American in history
@BertzTriscut
Жыл бұрын
There's also the fact that people from the Saharan area generally aren't black either. Darker skinned, sure, but people seem to think "Africa=Hershey's bar."
@OffGridInvestor
Жыл бұрын
Yes. The amount who think EVERY AFRICAN is negro, when you have berber, pygmy, san, etc...
@ekamandalaputra5517
Жыл бұрын
Now you makes me want a chocolate
@alexisjuarez9858
Жыл бұрын
Same
@jonajo9757
Жыл бұрын
Lesson of the day: black, white, yellow, ect are kinda misleading when trying to generalize groups of people based on skin tone. (Some ethnic groups in Africa that we can deem "black" wouldn't consider themselves so.)
@_Its_Ya_Boy
Жыл бұрын
@@ekamandalaputra5517 Now that I think about it, those Egyptians are just gold, like literally that’s their skin tone, so now I want one of those gold coin chocolates
@curiosityman1194
5 ай бұрын
He was Albanian. We all are.
@johnmonteiro5825
5 ай бұрын
You jest but Albanians founded modern Egypt and likely Turkey
@superdevton1137
4 ай бұрын
Red and black I dress eagle on my chest
@DM-qj7eh
3 ай бұрын
wrong he was serbian. serbians are the founders of civilisation
@diehounderdoggenalt
3 ай бұрын
Tupac Shakur best Serbian rest in piss forever I miss
@angryinternetperson6629
3 ай бұрын
No, he was actually Croatian. Just like Jesus.
@demilung
4 ай бұрын
Ah Americans, literally living in a "black and white" world.
@ChristoffRevan
3 ай бұрын
Nah, it's the same in Western Europe...also, it's just a minority of people, the average person isn't like this
@HighWireDiver
3 ай бұрын
@@ChristoffRevanYou can not speak for the average American. There are millions upon millions of them. Quite arrogant.
@nathanclaspell6003
3 ай бұрын
To think that all Americans think a certain way is the epitome of stupidity.
@invisalats841
2 ай бұрын
@HighWireDiver most Americans and I say this confidently, don't f-ing care about what ethnicity one of the greatest military minds in history was... a good rule to follow with Americans is that unless they have a vested interest in something, it doesn't particularly matter to them. Also, the black or white thing is incredibly annoying. I find it hilarious when they argue over the ethnicity of a bunch of inbred rulers like they are drafting an ethnic incest dream team.
@nuraby_9228
22 күн бұрын
Said the European who thinks it's ok to throw bananas at black people
@rafaelglopezroman1110
Жыл бұрын
People seriously forget there is a reason we used the term Sub-Saharan when describing black africans. North Africans are generally arabic, semite, berber, helenic or latin descent or mixed. They are not germans but certainly not Ethiopians either, in terms of skin color.
@thejoyfullad970
Жыл бұрын
Well they are caucasians, so related to the germanics with little biological differences
@TheKeksadler
Жыл бұрын
(as an aside, even Ethiopians are genetically closer to the middle east than the Bantu Africans generally considered "Black")
@AM-mu2kv
Жыл бұрын
Ethiopians are genetically closer to north africans than arabs from the peninsula
@rmwill7644
Жыл бұрын
@The Keksadler You should probably specify which Ethiopians you are talking about
@thejoyfullad970
Жыл бұрын
@@rmwill7644 this indeed would not go down well if he was in a room full of them
@benjaminmclaren8782
Жыл бұрын
most people don't get that Africa is big. Like, super big. like 30 million square Kilometres big. Any continent that huge is going to be diverse with its culture, ethnicity, religion, language, everything really.
@dorktriogamer2865
Жыл бұрын
even without that size it's still really diverse, limiting yourself to Nigeria you'll find More languages than all of europe
@untitled6391
Жыл бұрын
@@dorktriogamer2865 that's misleading. There's no way languages vary in Nigeria as much as they do in Europe. Most of those "languages" are probably just dialects.
@RHR199X
Жыл бұрын
@@untitled6391 not even close, some of the most common languages in Nigeria come from 3 different language families, that’s like saying Basque is probably just Spanish with an accent
@zenxel
Жыл бұрын
@@untitled6391 I live in Nigeria and I have encountered about 10 different languages in the city I live in. Some languages come from a common family, which makes them easier to learn if you know a related one.
@danilooliveira6580
Жыл бұрын
also northern and middle Africa was divided by a huge fucking desert since a few thousand years ago. so most of the colonizers of north Africa were mostly a mix of Europeans and middle easterns that navigate the Mediterranean with some people from central Africa empires.
@jamestoney24
5 ай бұрын
Hannibal wasn't black neither white , look at modern day tunisian face features to know how carthaginians looked like.
@RandomFurry07
5 ай бұрын
They're tan, brown skinned
@Yanzdorloph
4 ай бұрын
@@RandomFurry07 meh it depends, all in North africa 2 siblings from the same parents one could be tan and the other white. it's a very confusing place from white supremacists
@my5092
2 ай бұрын
North Africa is full of races, Egyptians, Amazigh etc... so he wasn't black, he is near to modern day Tunisians and Algerians
@cloroxbleach9222
4 ай бұрын
Shit, even if Hannibal were a dark-skinned Numidian he STILL wouldn't be black (as in Sub-Saharan) but Berber. These people need to promote Nubia and Aksum instead rather than trying to claim North Africa as black.
@FediKaroui
24 күн бұрын
He is not numidian he is carthagian(tunisian)
@cloroxbleach9222
24 күн бұрын
@@FediKaroui my comment is about a scenario if Hannibal were an indigenous African, eg the Berber Numidians, since, like you said, Hannibal is a Carthaginian, descendent of the Phoenician colonists
@4kGambit
4 күн бұрын
This guy gets it.
@Bagman07
Жыл бұрын
I'm still amaze that there are people who think everyone in Africa must be black 😅
@SexyBeautifulBabe
7 ай бұрын
Only African Americans think that 😂
@dougbendo8817
7 ай бұрын
@@SexyBeautifulBabe we we know 2 people here are racist! From a genetic point of view we know Hannibal was black because he belonged to Haplogroup "E1b1b1"! Just KZitem the following What happened to the ancient Egyptians? (Part 19) The Fall of Jerusalem - A Black History Story Research Unplugged: The mutation that became white skin
@SexyBeautifulBabe
7 ай бұрын
@@dougbendo8817 black doesn’t mean African American … black doesn’t mean sub Saharan African.. you don’t see black Africans or black Caribbeans black washing other people history .. only self hating African Americans
@a_l7515
7 ай бұрын
@@dougbendo8817delusional
@johnmonteiro5825
7 ай бұрын
@@dougbendo88171. Not how hablogroups work. 2. Black is not a scientific term. 3. We dont have Hannibal’s DNA This shit just don’t fly no more
@baconatorva
4 ай бұрын
White doesn’t just mean blonde hair and blue eyes or Western European features. Olive skinned Sicilians are white, Alexander The Great was white, curly red haired Jordanians are white, the entire Ptolemaic dynasty was white, etc.
@Yanzdorloph
4 ай бұрын
I don't think it works like that, in the middel east and north africa, ppl may look white but they are not, in the same family 2 siblings one could be very whte and the other tan and women tend to be much more light skined than the men(ofc it depends on the region and families) but that's generaly the norm. so how can a jordanian light skined be white and his own brother from the same father and mother is not ?
@Heidelmann
4 ай бұрын
Or we just stop using white/black as a category. What does it serve in these contexts. All it seems to be doing is claiming ownership over past empires and achievements to fuel the ego of modern identities.
@DehydratedDarkness
3 ай бұрын
@@YanzdorlophRacially speaking, Arabs and Indians are white, no nwed to go on tangents
@Yanzdorloph
3 ай бұрын
@@DehydratedDarkness no, white means western European. arabs are arabs even if they look white, and indians are indians they are as far from white as subsaharan africans, only link they have with Europe is an obscure thousands of years old dead language that has 100000 more link to Persian than any indian language
@ChristoffRevan
3 ай бұрын
@@YanzdorlophGet it through your skull - colour is irrelevant in this conversation, it's about ethnic roots. Caucasians are from Europe, Semitics are from the Middle East. It's not that hard to understand...thus, even "olive" skinned people or different "shades" in Europe are European, because they're Caucasian... regardless if some look similar to Semitics
@gumybo
2 ай бұрын
“If you’re from Africa, then like why aren’t you black?”
@uchihaamar4024
Жыл бұрын
Dear African - Americans Northern Africans aren't black .
@jwil4286
Жыл бұрын
Aren’t Northern Africans more like Middle Easterners?
@friendlysperg1372
Жыл бұрын
@@jwil4286 Yes. Arabs and Berbers mainly, and mixtures of the two. Distinct from the 4 or 5 main sub-saharan genetic groups.
@aoki6332
Жыл бұрын
@@friendlysperg1372 yeah people love to see africa as a black continent yet forget that north africa was a crossroad for a lot of Empire and culture from the Greeks settler to the later migration of German tribe to the arab conquest north africa is as diverse as eastern Europe before the slav took power
@zakback9937
Жыл бұрын
@@aoki6332 Not even one bit as diverse as Europe lmao, majority of it those settlers were minority or cleansed off ever since the times of the Natufians and Early European Farmers
@dontembarassyourself
Жыл бұрын
some of them are tho. Nubians for example. and historically all of Africa was black it was only when empires like the Phoenicians and Berbers return to Northern Africa did that change
@Ismail-Ibrahim841
Жыл бұрын
Even if you assume that Hannibal didn’t have any Phoenician in him, he still wouldn’t be black because people from the North African coasts are not black.
@NolanDraconis
Жыл бұрын
Yes, with a bit south (not connected to coast) the Numidians, who if I am correct were more on the black side of color.
@theberserker6000
Жыл бұрын
@@NolanDraconis Numidians werent black neither, at best more tanned because most of them were desert horse riders used both by Carthage and Rome as Equestrians/Auxilari cavalry later on. In any case, the modern area of Numidia being Algeria wasnt recorded to be of dark skin coloured or even remootly described as Aethopian.
@NolanDraconis
Жыл бұрын
@@theberserker6000 thank you for the correction!
@blueDes2ny
Жыл бұрын
Back then they were
@evilassjitnem
Жыл бұрын
@@blueDes2ny ?
@alanknotts5975
4 ай бұрын
My granda told me, "I don't care what they tell you in school, Hannibal was black!"
@ulester3092
3 ай бұрын
My grandma told me “I don’t care what they teach you in school Ghengis Khan was black”
@crusaderforchrist
3 ай бұрын
My grandma told me, "I don't care what they tell you in school, Christopher Columbus was black!"
@Griggs58
3 ай бұрын
@@crusaderforchristNo see Columbus man bad so he’s white lol
@tonyjackson4078
3 ай бұрын
My Grandma told me "I don't care what grandpa says, the first boy I kissed was black"
@AndreasViking1
2 ай бұрын
@@crusaderforchristthat is such a racist lie
@pohiena2666
Жыл бұрын
I always fascinated when people try to correct someone's “actual” ethnicity only to be more wrong. Edit: to be clear I am referring to the guy responded not Stakuyi.
@thiccdaddy5691
Жыл бұрын
It’s usually black people playing the victim card
@nuraby_9228
Жыл бұрын
@@thiccdaddy5691 or incel whitebois like yourself xd
@PEDRELVIS
Жыл бұрын
@@thiccdaddy5691 Actually no, usually are white people in PC culture.
@LockMatch
Жыл бұрын
@@thiccdaddy5691Jesus enters the chat
@JayJayM57
Жыл бұрын
@@thiccdaddy5691 Generally speaking a lot of historical figures got their race and gender-swapped by Europe culture. the best example is Jesus. he got whitewashed hard.
@emopanther8454
Жыл бұрын
I always figured he was olive skinned like a darker Berber
@nicknmm09
Жыл бұрын
Yeah analyzing extant carthaginian statues researchers can tell that most of them were painted with reddish brown skin tones ( by looking at remaining fragments that havent been completely destroyed by time). And then we have the Severan tondo which you can look at online today it's still in pretty good condition where the emporer who was from a ethnically punic community has a brown skin tone. And I don't believe it's due to intermixing because the punic community was tightly knit especially severus's family I mean for goodness sake he was embarrassed by his family because all they spoke was punic dialects, where as Latin and Greek were the respectable languages in the empire. However it should be noted that Severus despite being the same ethnicity as Hannibal was born hundreds of years later so it's not conclusive proof but It's pretty good evidence of how he mightve looked. A dark brown color nor black.
@madness8897
Жыл бұрын
Aye, always imagined him like the Napolitan or sicilians in color, being kind of from the same ancestral stock of greek/phoenician colonizers.
@alexs5744
Жыл бұрын
Or some modern day Arabs.
@noonespecial9704
Жыл бұрын
@@madness8897 Yeah, despite what many think, most ethnicities in the Mediterranean region all have similar features due to where they grew up
@BountyFlamor
Жыл бұрын
@@noonespecial9704 Makes sense. Same general latitude.
@sammckissock
2 ай бұрын
I never thought about Hannibal's skin color, but he definitely had a beard... I refuse to budge on this no matter how wrong i may be.
@bigbowss9817
4 ай бұрын
Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on the planet, for some reason people think everyone there is black lmao XD
@seikoellis17
3 ай бұрын
Well because it's 90% black and there are only 5 countries out of 54 that are non black
@seikoellis17
3 ай бұрын
And the term sub saharan isnstuoidnsince there are at least 6 black countries it does through.
@vicenzostella1390
Жыл бұрын
Another interesting thing about Hannibal: His war elephant might have been the last Syrian Elephant in history. For those that don't know, the Syrian elephant was the largest species of Asian elephant that survived into historic times, reaching an average height of 11.5 ft (bigger than the Indian species). Tying it back to Hannibal, his elephant was named "Surus" aka The Syrian and was known to be the largest one around. So, if this is to be believed, that makes Hannibal's elephant the last of its kind, and it went down swinging. What a badass.
@Puritan1985
Жыл бұрын
I've heard the Carthaginians used some now extinct breed of elephants but cannot recall anything more detailed about it.
@vicenzostella1390
Жыл бұрын
@@Puritan1985 It was definitely the Syrian Elephant. They probably got it through trade with the Assyrian Empire.
@jarlnils435
Жыл бұрын
@@Puritan1985the carthagian war elephant was the north african forrest elephant. The romans used them, too. It was shorter than the asian elephants.
@jamesparker2121
Жыл бұрын
The moors black people civilized Europe and taught them how to read and do math it’s documented and we did the same in America If you took away everything that blacks invented or discovered and took credit for America would still be a 3rd world country from the first successful open heart surgery, stop light, super computers, security systems,carbon filament, mobile refrigerators, internet, digital cell phone, gps, jazz, rock, the blues and more we been great
@Puritan1985
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesparker2121 Fact-checkers have debunked this.
@nathanstautzenberger8381
Жыл бұрын
the classic "person from africa must be black" stereotype it's just as bad as the "all spanish people are brown" stereotype, at least here in america too many internet "geniuses" these days don't realize that the only reason central and south america are "hispanic" is because spanish speaking europeans from spain conquered those areas
@ChrissieBear
Жыл бұрын
You should see how they react to white Mexicans. It's even worse.
@captaincapitalis1205
Жыл бұрын
I’m 50% Spanish and the amount of people who get my race wrong is kind of sad. I’ve had people say Latino, Arabic, and white before. We just really need to stop trying to divide ourselves by race. It means literally nothing.
@su1t0n11
Жыл бұрын
@@captaincapitalis1205 it means something! At least politicaly it does
@camiblack1
Жыл бұрын
It's almost as much fun as Saint Nicholas was Turkish because Turkey was totally a thing in the late 3rd and early 4th centuries.
@su1t0n11
Жыл бұрын
@@camiblack1 is that actually a thing ?
@MYndsc
5 ай бұрын
But my Grandma told me that Hannibal was black…
@alphawolf7608
4 ай бұрын
Mine said he was white so I guess he could be trans racial? Changes it based on the time of day and calls you racist if you get it wrong
@MYndsc
4 ай бұрын
@@alphawolf7608 thats fair!
@MarocGym-je6dk
4 ай бұрын
Your Grandma lying😮
@eodyn7
4 ай бұрын
@@alphawolf7608 He was Caucasian. That term doesn't just mean White.
@bigbad5067
4 ай бұрын
its a reference to when some dumbass defended the choice to make cleopatra (who was greek) black on tv because she said her grandma told her that cleopatra was black, as if granny met her or something@@MarocGym-je6dk
@pyrhusofeprius
3 ай бұрын
Afrocentrists argument… if they’re from Africa they’re black. Like people on different continents can’t look different. Big difference between South East Asia, India, and the Middle East.
@seikoellis17
3 ай бұрын
You just referenced two different things trying to make one point
@erreryhj
7 ай бұрын
Afrocentrics when they find out that not everyone living in Africa is black: 😧😨😱🤯🤯
@CNNBlackmailSupport
4 ай бұрын
They literally believe everyone was black, so this is no different. They believe the Egyptians were black AND the Jews they enslaved. - "Let my people go!" Black Moses said to black Pharoah.
@neroatlas9121
3 ай бұрын
@@CNNBlackmailSupport originally the jews were refugees from canaan, in modern day israel.
@dyekage5409
3 ай бұрын
@@CNNBlackmailSupportwell the afrocentrist would say there are only black Egyptians and Jews, while that’s not true there are black Egyptians and black Jews
@angryinternetperson6629
3 ай бұрын
They believe ancient Jews were black, Egyptians, Spartans, Romans, Japanese samurai, vikings, every European inventor of anything relevant ever etc... All of them were black, apparently. It's crazy, blacks supposedly invented everything in every place BUT Africa, which has always been conquered by others. Literal we wuz kangs complex.
@MalevolentKing-sm4km
3 ай бұрын
@@angryinternetperson6629totally inaccurate
@aldrinmilespartosa1578
Жыл бұрын
Saying hannibal was black because he lives in africa is like saying Gandhi is Chinese because he lives in Asia.
@nikicarrie4071
Жыл бұрын
Lol I just said that !!
@MadHeadzOz
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic analogy. Sadly it'll likely be lost on the people who could benefit the most from it.
@dingdongdickweed6288
Жыл бұрын
Or saying that Ghandi was black, because he lived in South Africa for a while. ;)
@dingdongdickweed6288
Жыл бұрын
@@dablaccseaproductions5279 Nobody said he was "pale", though. He was of Levantine descent, like most Phoenencians. He would've been an olive-skinned Mediterranean like a Palestinean.
@cobicobi6417
Жыл бұрын
Black and white when it pertains to classifying humans is wrong. European slave traders stated black slaves were Cannanites and that is why they were being enslaved. Hannibal was a Phoenician thus a Cannanite.
@panose6542
4 ай бұрын
Funny part is that that picture is one where Hannibal is depicted with ambiguous skin tone and hair quality, lol
@jvniperrr
3 ай бұрын
One thing people really fail to recognize is that Rome really only saw "race" as being one of two things; Roman, or Not Roman. Skin color was about as unimportant and innocuous to them as hair or eye color would be to most people, so that's why we don't really have all that many clues to that sort of thing when it comes to historical figures around that time.
@docomega7862
3 ай бұрын
Not only romans, but also many greeks (to the point they wouldn't even recognize greeks from other city states than their own as being greek). Now, I haven't studied every single historical source. But as far as I've seen, the concept of race as we understand it now is fairly recent. Most civilizations in antiquity were empires or showed imperialist behavior, so multi ethnicity and culture was pretty standard
@caiptainawesome807
3 ай бұрын
I dont think this is necessarily true because of documents written by Vitruvius, the historia Augusta, Plato, and potentially even the old testament.
@reinertgregal1130
3 ай бұрын
Wasn't there a dude so black in one of emperors's armies that they kicked him out because they thought he would bring them bad luck in battle?
@caiptainawesome807
3 ай бұрын
@@reinertgregal1130 It wasn't because he was so black and he wasn't kicked out. The Emperor came across the black legionary (maybe auxiliary) and was so shocked that he had him removed from sight during the duration of his stay. The Emperor was raised in Syria, which indicates that black people were not as common as some claim.
@elmersbalm5219
Жыл бұрын
The Sahara desert is a big fat border. In contrast, the Mediterranean sea was a big fat highway. Guess which communities intermingled the most.
@TheHardCore89
7 ай бұрын
Wrong! The Sahara desert didn’t look like the desert it is nowadays. There were many more sources of fresh water and vegetation wasnt as scarse.to cross the mediterranean sea you would still need to be able to build big ships to cross it so that makes it a barrier just like or even more than the Sahara. This being said we know hannibal’s brothers and father looked like, thanks to the cartheginian coins that depicted them. Having a correct depiction of a ruler was very important, as it was one of the very few ways for people to identify them when seen in public. Personally i don’t understand why we don’t have stories from netflix about Massinissa, Who was allied to Carthage during the second Punic war, and was very probably black…since he came from a southern region of the Carthaginian empire… he was a great ruler and important figure at the time, yet those entitled, money hungry cretins at the platform aren’t able to do any friggin research so we’ll find ourselves to believe in some pseudo historical capitalistic bs… as it always is when Americans get involved in history portraying..
@FrshJurassicPrnceYA
7 ай бұрын
@elmersbalm5219 You guys are not bright at ALL! 😆😆
@johnmonteiro5825
7 ай бұрын
@@FrshJurassicPrnceYAhe’s correct
@johnmonteiro5825
7 ай бұрын
@@TheHardCore89yeah if we go 8000 years back
@TheHardCore89
7 ай бұрын
@@johnmonteiro5825 not even that much… I’m not talking jungle but oasis were much more frequent than we’re used to think
@evilpellu
Жыл бұрын
I think we’re all missing the most important point here, it being that the DNA reconstructions show that the phoenicians looked like Weird Al Yankovic
@borjaslamic
Жыл бұрын
Ok, but I think I remember looking up Weird Al's heritage once one quarter English, one quarter Italian, one quarter Croatian and one quarter Slovene. So yeah, three quarters more or less Mediterranean, so makes sense
@rahmakacem2209
Жыл бұрын
Hanno the Navigator ( who is hannibal's younger brother) called Africans below Carthage "Gorillae" when he explored the western coast of africa. If hannibal was black, he wouldn't call them that.
@Greebo-ne1sc
Жыл бұрын
@@rahmakacem2209no gorillae was where the name for gorillas comes from as it is thought he was describing a gorilla not Africans
@alexnovak2669
Жыл бұрын
That makes sense. I can definitely see Weird Al riding an elephant into battle.
@Reaper-bd9bl
Жыл бұрын
I saw it too, thank God I'm not the only one lol
@laxusdreyar7838
Жыл бұрын
In college I made friends with a Tunisian exchange student. So many people used to be "shocked" when they found out he was African. They use to tell that his parents most probably immigrated there and that he is not African, because Africans are black. He had a very frustrating year.
@maroda8094
Жыл бұрын
Tunis is one of the most mixed areas in africa. The Phoenicians ( which are from the levante Region), Roman (italian), the Vandals (germanic tribe), arabs (during the arab invasion) and turkic people, french People assume that the original people of that area are berber, but the majority are mixed and probably more arab than anything else
@kavky
Жыл бұрын
Muricans really think all of Africa is Sub-Saharan Africa.
@chakir348
Жыл бұрын
@@maroda8094 NO NOT ARAB THAN ANYTHING MORE BERBER THAN ANYTHING AND THE BACK LIGARTION HAPPEND IN THE PALEOLITHIC AND THE NEOLITHIC NORTH AFRICANS ARE MAINLY FROM NEOLITHIC NORTH AFRICANS A COMBONATION OF ANATOLIAN FARMERS AND IBEROMAURUSIANS DUMB MOTHER F..ERS SHOULD LOOK AT THE GENTIC STUDIES ON THE REGION INSTEAD OF IGNORING THEM
@maroda8094
Жыл бұрын
@@chakir348 yeah but still they are pretty mixed
@rawentn7016
Жыл бұрын
Lol Tunisia is Tunisia from over 4000 years before even blacks layed legs in Africa.. please Google where Africa name came from.. we named the whole continent and blacks were coming as slaves to Tunisia educate yourself plz this is facts vs your feelings
@placenta4850
2 ай бұрын
That’s a nice way of saying “no”
@dimiaraujo90
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, he was African, but he wasn't Bantu. Just look at Morroccans, Libyans, Algerians, and Tunisians nowadays, damnit. How come people wanna label skin complexion and ethnicity as binary black or white, when so many shades of brown and bege exist around the world
@DimitteIllis
Жыл бұрын
Carthage was a Phoenician colony. Phoenicians were from the middle East, so he probably looked middle eastern
@danilooliveira6580
Жыл бұрын
but its very hard to say how exactly Phoenicians looked like at the time, specially because of Macedonian influence.
@danilooliveira6580
Жыл бұрын
@@tacidian7573 you really can't... modern day Tunisia is heavily influenced by Roman, greek, middle eastern, even mongol and scandinavian to a much lesser extent. half of it happened only after the punic wars...
@aldrinmilespartosa1578
Жыл бұрын
@@danilooliveira6580 english a bit too, which the crusades and stuff
@powerflumi
Жыл бұрын
Which says little in itself, because middle easterners look incredibly different depending on the region. Starting with the more european looking Persians, Lebannese and ending with the dark skinned eastern Arabs. Thats like saying someones looks European. Which can mean olive skinned dark haired spanish/greek. Olive skinned blond haired Italians, Pale Blond Scandinavians etc etc
@markbaker4425
Жыл бұрын
@@powerflumi the middle east is so diverse. Look at afghanistan. The people there range from dark skinned arab people to people who are white with blonde hair.
@talibbeyal-morokech5568
Жыл бұрын
As a Moroccan-American - I know how Hannibal feels 😅 One day my Puerto Rican friends asked why I don’t speak Spanish… told them I’m not Latino/Hispanic and was never taught it… amazed and confused they asked - “wait… then what are you..?” as I’m clearly not white/European either…. I tell them I’m Moroccan… “Morocco..? That’s in Africa right..?? So you’re black then..???” 😂 African..? - Yes absolutely rep the continent..✊🏽 Black..? - probably mixed in there somewhere.. but No… Like Stakuyi mentioned - North Africa has ALWAYS been a massive ethnic melting pot, from the time of the Phoenicians to the Arab invasions.. so we can come in every shade of color honestly… can’t be certain, but I like to think Hannibal looked like me - swarthy olive/brown with a big black bushy beard 😅
@victorhugofranciscon7899
Жыл бұрын
If someone saw me, the person would say that I am European not someone from South America, stereotypes are so misleading.
@Sandycheeks6699
Жыл бұрын
@@victorhugofranciscon7899 I feel that for sure, I'm half white from my mom and half black and Puerto Rican from my dad. I can pass for white or Hispanic, but nobody believes that I'm a quarter black lol
@anonymous3479
Жыл бұрын
@@victorhugofranciscon7899 cuz south american are european not all tho
@thefoolishgenius4160
Жыл бұрын
Speak your Truth 🕊️ ❤️
@blainekennedy
Жыл бұрын
Oh shameless self hype at the end there, nice -jealous beardless guy
@toshibami
4 ай бұрын
Knowing where Hannibals family came from, I always imagined him having same colour as Tony Shalhoub. Both have their roots in Lebanon.
@CriticalMassIndex
3 ай бұрын
The DNA reconstruction is just Howard Stern, fight me. 😂
@markanthony1004
3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 bruh chill
@Spacey_key
Жыл бұрын
my favourite twitter comment was when some guy posted how Roman Emperors might have look, one guy asked "Why you made them all white" and somebody responded "because life is not netflix" PS: Just because someone is from Africa doesn't mean he is black, that's quite racist stereotype
@oscarandreas1431
Жыл бұрын
This is great
@IbrahimservantofAllah
Жыл бұрын
Netflix sure loves black washing history
@oscarandreas1431
Жыл бұрын
@@IbrahimservantofAllah i mean do they? i just thought this was funny
@IbrahimservantofAllah
Жыл бұрын
@@oscarandreas1431 yeah they're notorious for it, not just netflix all of hollywood Black Vikings black Joan of Arc black Zeus black Julius caesar ect ect its everywhere, its just stupid like having a white dude star as Shaka Zulu or Frederick Douglass in a movie its just disrespectful.
@oscarandreas1431
Жыл бұрын
@@IbrahimservantofAllah yeah
@Haythem93465
9 ай бұрын
As a born and bread Tunisian, we are not black, we are not white and we are not middle eastern. We are simply north african and our ancestry in that land dates as far back as history itself.
@Sara-dv2nj
9 ай бұрын
Aren't you tired of fuc*ers claiming your history and disregarding the actual population of Tunisia to get to speak their narrative? The audacity
@stevencorrea8032
9 ай бұрын
After the Moroccan earthquake and Libyan flood how many are you left?
@OctopusH2O
7 ай бұрын
Then why do you act like full blown arabs ?
@Sara-dv2nj
7 ай бұрын
@@OctopusH2O Because , like any region surrounding the mediterranean , our history is rich and complicated and filled with migrations . But before Islam , no one in north Africa spoke Arabic , yet the overwheliming majority wasn't black ( and they either spoke Latin African , Tamazight or Punic language ..) you can already see how each 'migration' left it's mark on the local population . The local population itself , when you go back 12.000 years ago is also mixed , with Iberomaurosians ( who are also mixed ANA which is a local north African type , and Dzudzuana which is a caucasion type) and Anatolian farmers . So since thousands of years ago , north Africa had tight connections to the middle east, while developping it's own identity and culture .Now with the migrations of Arabs after the spread of Islam ( after berbers embraced the religion ) there were many alliances and intermixing with Arabs , for instance , in my country Tunisia most of us are descendants of these alliances , so there's no way you can trace your heritage back to one tribe ( it also helps that the Amazighs and Arabs were so smiliar , both desert people , both tribe oriented..etc and as i've already mentioned that all people across MENA are genetically and unknowingly culturally connected ! ) that eased the Arabs' fusion with the local population , eased the learning of the language ( also the spoken punic across some parts of north Africa also helped with the spread of the language , being a semitic language itself), and eventually created a new identity that most north Africans embraced which is the Arab identity and now have their own blend of Arab-Amazigh culture. That being said , millions of Amazighs still speak their language and keep their own identity untouched . Also copts and other small ethnicities . All of this to tell you that identity , ethnicity and race are not as simple as black or white . It is shaped through many many migrations and historic events , and the mediterranean and north Africa in particular had tons of that .
@skylinelover9276
7 ай бұрын
30% of Tunisian men belongs to J2 DNA Haplo group Wich are Phoenicians origin
@jjOnceAgain
3 ай бұрын
Black Supremacists really be like "He lived in Africa, so he HAD to be pitch black"
@MisterPeckingOrder
5 ай бұрын
Turns out he would have looked like the people who actually live there these days. Shocking
@ValensBellator
Жыл бұрын
There’s been a weird movement lately on KZitem claiming tons of people were “black” that historically mostly weren’t, from Roman emperors to Hannibal to the Egyptians (intermixed but distinct from their Nubian/Kushite neighbors). They all left depictions of themselves so I’m not sure how this started, but it did.
@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901
Жыл бұрын
The BBC has been claiming that Roman emperors were black as well. If they were black then Rudyard Kipling was Indian and Elon musk is black
@Puritan1985
Жыл бұрын
>lately these ideas have been around for a long time. I remember hearing some from friends as a child, but if you want a comprehensive list of the nonsense, look up Hidden Colors produced by Tariq Nasheed 😂
@pencildragger
Жыл бұрын
They are claiming that all black people on south America are black as well. Even claiming thst all native Americans both southern and northern are really black people.
@Puritan1985
Жыл бұрын
@@pencildragger yeah, if anyone else wants the go down the rabbit hole, look up "Dawes Roll $5 Indian" 😀
@ifo7319
Жыл бұрын
Bruh I’ve heard them claim the Irish were actually black 😂😬. The Irish. It’s a whole ideology that everyone important in history, whether it be European, Asian, American Indian, or North African were all actually sub-saharan black. Meanwhile there is actual black history that is ignored-so it’s not actually even necessary to claim and steal other culture’s history.
@rinconusmc
4 ай бұрын
We doing the "we wuz kangs" thing again? Lol
@jehut2k10
Жыл бұрын
The commenter is like that one guy who asks why they got a white guy to play an Egyptian in a movie and someone responds "that's Rami Malek. He is Egyptian". They think all of Africa was just one single race.
@kevingreen650
Жыл бұрын
Just so we're clear, every group that has ever walked the earth walked out of black Africa. The entire globe was populated with dark skinned people at one time, including neanderthals.
@andreidarie4076
Жыл бұрын
@@kevingreen650 the out of Africa theory has more holes in it that Swiss cheese and has been debunked. We have evidence of different hominid species, not just Neanderthals, originating from outside of Africa. Different species but with enough genetic similarity that they could interbreed.
@kavky
Жыл бұрын
@@kevingreen650 I don't think it was black Africa at that point.
@dutchvanderlinde8900
Жыл бұрын
@Kevin Green that is beyond historically ignorant.
@williamjenkins4913
Жыл бұрын
@@kevingreen650 That has nothing to do with this conversation though.
@LilJon-76
4 ай бұрын
That coin did him dirty tho
@djdelarosa25
4 ай бұрын
Same vibes as claiming Cleopatra was black lmao
@marcusreading3783
Жыл бұрын
It says something about the simplistic mindset of people that they cant grasp the fact that not everyone in Africa has the same skin colour. Hell, even in Europe, thats not the case and I'm pretty sure that Europe is smaller than Africa.
@happydemon3038
Жыл бұрын
Well the most important size is the tallness of the continent. Europe is more wide than tall, while Africa is a tall boi. That's a lot of different intensities of sunlight, which creates pressure for different skin tones.
@delanovanraalte3646
Жыл бұрын
Way smaller
@bigfatchubbybritboy9445
Жыл бұрын
You could comfortably fit all of Europe into the Sahara Desert. And that's just one part of Africa.
@rahmakacem2209
Жыл бұрын
Hanno the Navigator ( who is hannibal's younger brother) called Africans below Carthage "Gorillae" when he explored the western coast of africa. If hannibal was black, he wouldn't call them that.
@VG_164
Жыл бұрын
@@happydemon3038 Europe has the tallest ethnicities on earth (Balkan and north Germanics) and Africa has among the shortest. In fact just a very few selected ethnicities in Africa are tall. The vast majority are relatively short. In fact Africans are so genetically diverse that east Africans are genetically closer to most Europeans than west africans.
@thomasvertommen9526
Жыл бұрын
Ironic. People who aggressively demand for more diversity don't get that Africa isn't just "black people continent".
@FrenchLightningJohn
Жыл бұрын
because those same people are racist themselves
@jart1984
Жыл бұрын
what do you mean that a huge continent like africa would hold many different cultures and ethnicities over millenia like any other continents?? 😠😠😠😠
@boohoo4248
Жыл бұрын
Exactly they are brain dead
@toomanymarys7355
Жыл бұрын
Nor do they understand that not all dark skinned people are Bantu. They had a Bantu woman play a Hadza heroine in a recent movie, and American blacks pretended it was about them. Phenomenally offensive. The Bantu were enemies and oppressors of the Hadza. Most American blacks are Bantu.
@dingleberry4234
Жыл бұрын
@@toomanymarys7355 was it Woman King? I didn’t watch it but I do know about it
@rock4cheese
4 ай бұрын
I can only picture Hannibal like in Oversimplified
@samuelgann1298
4 ай бұрын
People hear African and think they’re all one skin color, same with the Jesus debate, it doesn’t matter, but there was a healthy chance for light skin as there was for darker skin
@TheTwilight1924
Жыл бұрын
Stupid how people racialize history, like we’re not “black people” our skin is very different from the color black. And, there’s many different races of us Africans, just like Caucasian’s have Latin, English Scandi etc
@pretzelmaker3122
Жыл бұрын
Stupid how people don't know the difference between race and ethnicity. But whatever Hannibal was, we don't really need to confirm.
@TheTwilight1924
Жыл бұрын
@@pretzelmaker3122 same difference
@DeathbatOfSpades
Жыл бұрын
Latin people are predominantly descended from Asia fun fact. Obviously there’s European lineage from colonizers (mostly spain) but that could be said for any ethnicity nowadays.
@TheTwilight1924
Жыл бұрын
@@DeathbatOfSpades exactly
@OffGridInvestor
Жыл бұрын
There's A FEW different Africans. Many tribes but people ASSUME all negro. But there's san, pygmy, etc etc.
@MegaKnight2012
Жыл бұрын
When I went to a King Tut exhibit, there was a lot of artwork of his enemies, many Nubian, some of them ginger, who were likely Phoenician, and if Hannibal was of similar Phoenician descent, he also could have been a ginger. King Tut was an African, but that didn't make him as dark-skinned as his Nubian enemies, of whom there was much artwork of in Tut's tomb.
@generalsagmandia8239
Жыл бұрын
What exactly does that have to do with being a black African though? There are plenty of black Africans who are darker or fairer. Khoisan are quite fair. They are not African? Some west Africans are more fair like the Igbos or Fulani. There was also much artwork showing King Tut as who he was, a black African.
@jarrettlowery2802
Жыл бұрын
@@generalsagmandia8239 the ancient Egyptians were more related to amazigh people than to black Africans
@MegaKnight2012
Жыл бұрын
@@generalsagmandia8239 Where? The aforementioned exhibit was artwork taken directly from Tut's tomb, and he wasn't as black as his Nubian enemies, some of whom were depicted on Tut's sandals so he could always be walking on them. He hated his Nubian enemies, so why do people want him to be black? That's like wanting Ku Klux Klan members to be black.
@smarterthanall1659
Жыл бұрын
@@generalsagmandia8239 please stop interchangeably using African and black as if they mean the same thing. They do not.
@kona9255
11 ай бұрын
@@generalsagmandia8239not everyone who’s African is black. You don’t have that monopoly. How arrogant and ignorant at the same time.
@gammadion
5 ай бұрын
So he looked like rabbi shekelberg😂😂
@tonymouannes
Жыл бұрын
People miss the fact that north africans aren't black. The picture you used for hannibal is pretty realistic. Being lebanese myself, I've seen many people who look like that. Also tunisians who live in the same area he lived in, could also look like that. It's true that we can't really guess his skin tone, but that depiction is very plausible. Also people should stop turning everything into racism.
@AM-mu2kv
Жыл бұрын
Carthage was Phoenician not Tunisian and rome killed all their people and berbers range in colour look at people from the sahel
@thetreelander7378
Жыл бұрын
Ah but western politics has been infected with what are you plague so that's not going away for like another 50 odd years.
@gorlab9549
Жыл бұрын
@@AM-mu2kvRome enslaved most of Carthage, the city was razed and its lands were “salted” a belief that putting salt on the land would stop crops from growing. Carnage continued being used as a port by Rome and was eventually built up into a trade hub again. The Roman’s were not stupid, they had already spent centuries claiming all of Italy and cementing the republics position. They did not just kill every Carthaginian in sight, in fact. Rome put them to work, rebuilding the very home that they had just destroyed.
@NikoBellaKhouf2
Жыл бұрын
@@AM-mu2kv Saying they killed everyone is an extreme exaggeration. DNA from the people of today tells us that the ancient peoples didn't go extinct
@AM-mu2kv
Жыл бұрын
@@NikoBellaKhouf2 ancient tunisians were berber phonecians were from the levant so they werent the majority
@programmerdave9893
Жыл бұрын
Surprisingly few photographs survive from that time period.
@JH-lk8tm
11 ай бұрын
I wonder why 🤔
@dragonofthewest8305
9 ай бұрын
The oldest coin depicts him as a black man and there are cathigian artefacts besides hannibal depicting black people also
@Sara-dv2nj
9 ай бұрын
@@dragonofthewest8305bibiboubou . Hannibal and Carthaginians and as matter of fact the entirety of north Africa was never ever black . Were there black people ? Sure maybe . Were they minority , 100% .
@freemarley639
7 ай бұрын
Algerian Rock Art - earliest depicted NA population, black with some white
@dritanbakiaj4416
6 ай бұрын
@@JH-lk8tmyeah sure keep making excuses because doesnt fit your narrative.
@detrimentalist_
2 ай бұрын
Hotep thought process is always hilarious
@fariesz6786
3 ай бұрын
i commend you for navigating this topic gracefully
@thomastakesatollforthedark2231
Жыл бұрын
That's not even mentioning environmental factors, possible birth defects, whether or not he wore makeup. Its hard depicting what someone from 2000 years ago looked like, surprisingly
@danilooliveira6580
Жыл бұрын
that depends, a lot of them have... possibly kinda, maybe a little flattering... realistic sculptures and historical descriptions. others we have basically nothing. like we don't even know how ethnically varied were the scandinavian vikings, and they were at their peak a bit more than 1000 years ago.
@knighthunter1791
Жыл бұрын
Well if they were to make a sculpture of me, I'd prefer they have my appearance in my prime.
@thomastakesatollforthedark2231
Жыл бұрын
@@knighthunter1791 true, but given what happened to carthage.... Eh.... Even if they did, there'd be issues with the evidence
@irenaveksler1935
Жыл бұрын
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231yeah Carthage got destoryed and I think rome destroyed some Hannibal things
@nathanclaspell6003
3 ай бұрын
It's pretty easy when they leave beyond paintings, sculptures, and reliefs that portray their physical characteristics.
@gutspraygore
Жыл бұрын
I love it when people shit bricks when I say that Elon Musk is one of the most successful African-Americans in history. Of course, I'm being glib, but history is full of conquest and mingling of culture.
@Vortex-7358
Жыл бұрын
one of the few contenders i can think of off the top of my head would be mansa musa if you going off wealth alone. but yeah hes elon is one of the most
@behemoth9543
Жыл бұрын
Might also have something to do with Elon Musk being mostly known for fucking shit up and profiting off being able to generate massive amounts of hype rather than actually generating much of value to anyone else nowadays
@d.esanchez3351
Жыл бұрын
@@behemoth9543 I think the comment was about the "African American" part of Elon. Probably. You know, because the video was about race and geography and not about the entrepreneurial life of Hannibal and so
@d.esanchez3351
Жыл бұрын
I envy how confident some black history defenders claim everything that was maybe in Africa was black... I would say then, Guillermo del Toro is Mexican, so he was probably exactly like Moctezuma. Wait... I'm Mexican and kinda white-ish... I can't use white-guilt to force an historical view that favors the oppressed :c Oh yeah also, and that goes for whites too... There are... Colors you know? Like. I'm not exactly white, cause I'm not totally Caucasian. And there's people here with darker skin color than some black Americans I've seen. I think we should call the Phoenicians not... White, but like... Middle eastern. Cause black is for subsaharian Africans and white is for Europeans so... I don't think it help to segregate everyone for what extreme looks more like. But whatever. Is complicated. Let's just not be racist and we will understand.
@irenaveksler1935
Жыл бұрын
@@Vortex-7358Mansa Musa is also American and African? Wow I didn’t know he was in American
@mr.knightthedetective7435
3 ай бұрын
Hannibal Barca was a middle eastern and he probably looked like a Moor, a light skin with African features
@AhintofChan
4 ай бұрын
People really just be thinkin Africa is this 1 uniform place with not 10000 groups of different people in it
@roguerangerroger
Жыл бұрын
"he's black, and im black. Therefore his success is my success." *Plays autistic noise*
@benbanned1381
7 ай бұрын
“Dey is My peepoe” as their REAL ancestors sold them into slavey for a musket with one bullet no powder. I hate it when people moronically try and rewrite history and blatantly ignore when the get caught or called out and discredited. God it reminds me of the stupid whole black pharaoh movement where a bunch of inner city black people claim they come from pharaohs because Egypt is in Africa therefore the current Egyptians are fakers who stole our land and gold (piggybacking of the sikari Hebrew isrialites with the same logic) and the demands that Egypt it’s land and all its money and everything be given to black people as reparations (you can guess how long that lasted before they were laughed out of everywhere) And that’s where those memes came from
@FrshJurassicPrnceYA
7 ай бұрын
@roguerangerroger You guys are the type to judge an entire race based on the deeds of a few. So your statement is very ironic!
@RyanG0899
7 ай бұрын
@@FrshJurassicPrnceYAWe judge based on the actions of the majority.
@FrshJurassicPrnceYA
7 ай бұрын
@RyanG0899 So the majority of black peoples are bad? Just out here in the open with your racism.
@reharl4953
7 ай бұрын
@@FrshJurassicPrnceYA OPs comment really hit a nerve, didn't it?
@DrinksOnCosby
4 ай бұрын
Hes definitely wasn't black. He had a good relationship with his son 😂
@mcCharles_
4 ай бұрын
Bro just say you’re racist and just be done with it
@kzazazazk
12 күн бұрын
That's like saying "of course George Washington was an Indian, he was born in American" 😂
@blanddull6881
Жыл бұрын
I also saw a video about some dude claiming the first samurai to exist were black……absolutely mental.
@donpablitojuarez4640
Жыл бұрын
Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard
@Sivrn-Val
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: There isn't any actual evidence of Yasuke actually being a samurai. All that's known was he was a retainer and weapon bearer for Nobunaga. Other then that, all the supposed things he did have no factual evidence.
@NikoBellaKhouf2
Жыл бұрын
That's wild 🤣
@hashira9223
Жыл бұрын
Blacks making up history and stealing it from others because they don't have one
@kaniq6120
Жыл бұрын
That doesn't surprise maybe cuz there's a whole movement now of people claiming that native Americans were actually black and the native Americans still alive today are fake and paid actors or actually white or Asians and that the black people never arrived on any slave ships and that they're the original Americans and the slave trade is a lie... I'm serious
@Dloin
Жыл бұрын
Yeah and iam white but I still used a pink pencil to draw myself when I was little. Reality is so much more complicated and vast then our human language is able to express.
@Rozdlc
Жыл бұрын
Used to use orange myself. Didn't like apricot so didn't once think to use it XD.
@PEDRELVIS
Жыл бұрын
For me was the gold colour pencil, we called "skin colour pencil". Orange would be Donald Trump XD
@jamesparker2121
Жыл бұрын
Nila Firstya If you took away everything that blacks invented discovered and took credit for America would still be a 3rd world country from the first successful open heart surgery, air conditioner, stop light, super computers, security systems,carbon filament, mobile refrigerators, internet in more we been great
@FlawlessP401
2 ай бұрын
We wuz kangz lmao
@NovikNikolovic
3 ай бұрын
He was neither white nor black, he was brown. The Middle East/North Africa region has people with majority tan skin, end of story.
@MarcAlcatraz
Жыл бұрын
I hate when people just assume Africa = black. It’s so reductionist
@larrymoore3627
6 ай бұрын
It was until the invasions numbskull
@scarymonster5541
6 ай бұрын
@@larrymoore3627 northern africa has always been white even before the arab,roman,french,british and turks conquest
@maixiong9113
6 ай бұрын
@@larrymoore3627what invasion??? When the kushite invaded Egypt????
@lmr8277
6 ай бұрын
@@larrymoore3627 What was the "black" ethnicity in North Africa
@johannesg8959
5 ай бұрын
Race doesn't exist. it's sdtupid.
@blackoutninja
Жыл бұрын
Why are Americans incapable of understanding that ‘African’ does not necessarily equate to ‘Black’?
@stevencorrea8032
9 ай бұрын
Africanus was he black
@blackoutninja
9 ай бұрын
@@stevencorrea8032 no
@uraumereal
5 ай бұрын
@@stevencorrea8032he was roman bro, so he had the same color as italians today
@stevencorrea8032
5 ай бұрын
@@uraumereal remind me of my favorite True Romance movie starring Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper you should go watch it the scene with Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper talking about the origins of the Romans Let's Get It On
@stevencorrea8032
5 ай бұрын
@@uraumereal Scipio Africanus was black?
@Brah42
3 ай бұрын
With our next pick in the draft, the Black Delegation selects... Hannibal Barca!
@ghostoftanelorn9928
2 ай бұрын
Hmm just a minute, i think I got it, they could have hired someone who looked like a Carthaginian😱
@Scudboy17
Жыл бұрын
I have a good friend from South Africa and she happens to be white. She's had had people on several occasions call her a liar when she says she's an African. Which she is. It's amazing the lengths people will go to avoid cognitive dissonance. Not everyone fits into nice neet predefined boxes.
@Falloutlover1011
Жыл бұрын
I mean, generally white South Africans don’t have any actual African ancestry. They’re the descendants of colonizers. So they aren’t African in any way beyond nationality.
@WoofyMcDoodle
Жыл бұрын
She is not ethnic African tho just a migrant from Europe. Just like a black person can be German or French.
@diddlypoop
Жыл бұрын
@@WoofyMcDoodle well if you want to get technical there's no such thing as an ethnic African since African isn't an ethnicity.
@antiochus87
Жыл бұрын
Would these same people call a black or white American a liar too?
@neongenesisevangelion587
Жыл бұрын
@@WoofyMcDoodle If she was born in an African country, that by definition means, she is a citizen of that country. You can’t call her a migrant she didn’t immigrate there she was born there!
@SJCmasjid
8 ай бұрын
Most people thought I was some European guy because I was white when I told them I was Tunisian in a place in North Africa they said I was lying to get the n word pass
@chidoking09
5 ай бұрын
Because they are stupid
@user-oe8mg7ly5i
4 ай бұрын
يا رجل
@Magiktcup
4 ай бұрын
Was this Americans? sounds like shit Americans would say lol
@francescosacca6674
3 ай бұрын
I have this one University colleague with a curly hair and slightly olive complexion (kind of dark, but not out the average for here in Italy) and complained a lot of North Africans think she's one too. It's almost like the Mediterranean Sea is a giant trading hub with a lot of intermingling.
@nikki-op4xj
3 ай бұрын
@@francescosacca6674 yea theres a lot of that ... also conquests . ton of conquests . big empires they rose and fell
@barbthegreat586
3 ай бұрын
Also, at that time people didn't care about ethnicity, or who was/ looked African. They might have cared about fair skin but only because this meant you're rich and didn't need to toil under the scorching sun.
@BlazeTheDoja-qh1ey
13 күн бұрын
If you went back in time and told him THIS matters to us, he would laugh
@aubade_1
Жыл бұрын
One thing I really don't like is that these kinds of comments fall into a silly dichotomy of "white" or "black" which are both gross overgeneralizations to begin with and a huge disservice to the diversity of the ancient world. Also, they often just ignore the existence of Mediterranean and Arabic peoples by grouping them into the other arbitrary categories.
@krankarvolund7771
Жыл бұрын
Why the diversity of the Ancient World? The people that populated Carthage are still there today XD
@aldrinmilespartosa1578
Жыл бұрын
@@krankarvolund7771 it depends.
@powerflumi
Жыл бұрын
@@krankarvolund7771 They kinda arent, the ethnicities, race, whatever you want to call it have changed significantly over the years. The biggest change in ethnicity came during the 7th and 8th century where the newly formed Islamic Empire, the Umayyid Caliphate, conquered the middle east and then went on to conquer northern africa and spain. While spain was shortly reconquered north africa became the actuall cultural, political and economic center of the Islamic empire for about 500 years - which of course meant lots of ethnic arabs started to settle in northern africa and intermix with the locals. During the end stages of the empires when the slave trade became the most profitable trade in the region, slave traders started to selective breed slaves of different ethnic together, primarily certain northern african lower class peoples and slaves captured in sub saharan africa and southern europe aswell as scandinavia, who after the empire collapsed couldnt be sold and remained there. Most likely the ancient northern africans would look like modern day people from the levant or southern europe
@krankarvolund7771
Жыл бұрын
@@powerflumi "Most likely the ancient northern africans would look like modern day people from the levant or southern europe " And that's what modern Imazighen looks like, so your point is? ^^' Yes, there had been migrations, notably from arabic peoples in Northern Africa. But those invasions have not completely changed what the people who lived there, were. Just as the colonization of America or Oceania did not wipe out all of the Natives, despite diseases and the best efforts of the colonizers.
@powerflumi
Жыл бұрын
@@krankarvolund7771 But that did effectivly happen in the Americas. For the most part. In the USA and Canada natives are a minority. In Southern America Colonists, Slaves and Natives intermixed so much that the ethnic majority is pretty much a new thing. E.g the Spaniards fucking the Mayans resulting in Mexicans meme. Sure we can argue that there are still places with the original ethnic people living there, but the majority of the people in those regions arent. Thats like looking at a modern day white, latino or black american and saying that this is what the original natives would have looked like
@ucminhvo295
Жыл бұрын
Hannibal Barca was Carthaginian, the Carthaginian were people who originated from the Levant, they have similar ethnic make up like the Phonecian so they would look like people from the Levant not Sub Sahara Africa.
@matiusbond6052
8 ай бұрын
YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO as modern media often does on this subject.The indeginous black people of Lebanon,many are still there today.Lebanese HAVE NO HISTORY IN ANCIENT AFRICA, JUST LIKE MODERN ARABS NEVER EXISTED IN ANCIENT AFRICA. THE BLATANT IGNORANCE EXHIBITED BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU ON THIS SUBJECT IS ABHORANT.
@tobytawaqal3678
4 ай бұрын
It's the same as saying all people from Asia have slanted-eyes
@mustfaaboassd
3 ай бұрын
Ppl getting killed Lex : fascinating, am enjoying learning
@void-creature
Жыл бұрын
The main thing to remember is that categories like "black" or "white" are completely arbitrary and don't have a set border between them.
@ragnkja
Жыл бұрын
And most Mediterranean peoples are somewhere between those extremes.
@andrew-paulclements1502
Жыл бұрын
Well, Race is arbitrary and meaningless, but Black is an actual ethnic group. Historically, White used to have a meaning, a very racist meaning based in Anglo-Germanic chauvinism mind you, but a meaning. That eventually faded away as more and more groups got lumped into it as Anglo-Americans and British culture became less and less influential in the United States. Now it's a catch all for a hundred different Euro-American communities. Black on the other hand started out being entirely arbitrary (cause lumping all Africans into the category of "black" basically makes no genetic or cultural sense) until it eventually evolved into an actually functioning Ethnic descriptor for the descendants of enslaved African Americans. Like, you can say "Black Culture" and it would be referring to Black Americans and their unique cultural and linguistic traditions and heritage, excluding those of Africa and other communities within African diaspora.
@illegal.anglo88
Жыл бұрын
White europeans are actually extremely distinct and only come from 3 different haplogroups. So it is pretty fair to categorize all western and northern europeans as white.
@andrew-paulclements1502
Жыл бұрын
@@illegal.anglo88 I think there is a word for that already... oh right, European.
@LordTelperion
Жыл бұрын
@@andrew-paulclements1502 We're all a little Roman.
@robertgronewold3326
Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how many people just equate African with black. As if the entire northern section of the continent to this very day does not have a variety of people with tan and olive skin tones. Carthage and Egypt were some of the most ethnically diverse nations of the ancient world.
@krankarvolund7771
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's very strange when you live in France, who has a certain history with Africa, let's say, and like... it's obvious for me that Northern Africa and sub-saharian Africa have different peoples ^^'
@Userkaf_II
Жыл бұрын
Okay, so for starters we have genealogies for every race according to the ancient Hebrews who actually lived during the Bronze Age in Biblical scripture. Meaning the ancient Hebrews would be one of our best sources for what people alive during the Bronze Age would have looked like. According to Genesis which is one of the five books of the Pentateuch, the Sidonians who were the original inhabitants of modern day Lebanon known for their exceptional skills in ship building and seafaring according II Kings were descendants of Ham, which according to Hebrew tradition is the progenitor of the dark skinned or Negroid races of today including the Canaanites who historically established themselves in Lebanon and Palestine, influencing much of the regions culture, language and genetics. The ancient Middle East however was racially diverse and was not inhabited by a single racial group, as we know people from Anatolian from Urartu and Hattusa and the Ugaritic speaking Semitic population of Syria inhabited the ancient Middle East also. My best guess as to what Phoenicians or Tyrians of the Iron Age looked like could probably best be exemplified by Cypriot or Cyprian artwork, who do seem to have been a Anatolian/Canaanite Syrian inspired mixture, and these people were likely what the ancient Phoenicians looked like. The reason this is a problem to begin with is because of racist ideological views like Nordicism in the past have attributed all of the great accomplishments of the ancient world to Nordic or Aryan peoples(a pseudonym for northwestern Europeans). This is still a problem that is extant in academic and scholarly circles today, where ancient historical figures such as Tutankhamun are claimed as having had red hair and is supposedly related to over half of modern western European men today, and is still a commonly held belief by many even though historic and ethnographic evidence proves the ancient Egyptians were African/Afro-Asiatic in the ethnic, linguistic and biological sense, not related to people from countries with a Celtic or Germanic basis today. I think all of that taken into consideration, it's fair to say that "white supremacist ideology" is the reason why all of this confusion about race and ethnicity in the ancient world exist. Afrocentrism on the other hand came into existence to counteract white supremacist historical revision delineated by Anglo-Celtic intellectuals, but gradually went from being a movement meant to correct racist views and attitudes on sub-Saharan African history and civilization, like whether or not metallurgy or written language was achieved by sub-Saharan Africans on their own or whether whites introduced these things to sub-Saharan Africa, to just being about trying to prove that blacks are a superior race and are responsible for every major civilization to ever exist on earth even in places as far away from Africa as Mexico where the Olmec culture originated.
@ario4795
Жыл бұрын
@@Userkaf_II afrocentrism is just about stealing other people's history it has nothing to do with 'correcting racist views'.
@SA-5247
Жыл бұрын
Mainly Afrocentric mouth breather in America. They watch a animated documentary or a bastardized non historical movie and just go with it..
@SA-5247
Жыл бұрын
@@Userkaf_II so you think religious interpretation trumps modern scientific methods and actual DNA evidence lmao..
@Hetaroy
3 ай бұрын
I like to think that in that picture the light might make him look white while being black but he can also be white xd
@thomasmurrell9832
3 ай бұрын
Cleopatra all over again
@crashed_86
Жыл бұрын
I love when people try to sort groups from ancient times into one of a few labels that are extremely general even in modern times
@jasonpatrick5655
6 ай бұрын
You can't take a 21 century mindset and just inject it into the ancient times mindset
@ketami2
Жыл бұрын
I notice people seem to have this weird idea that all these historical people are "black" and they seem to mean like west African.... I don't get it. There are many different groups of people on the continent that all look different. I mean someone from Chile doesn't look the same as everyone else on the north and south American continent....
@basedimperialism
Жыл бұрын
It's because these people are so insulated in their comfy urban lifestyles. They saw a black person once on their way to work and now assume everyone from Egypt to South Africa was pitch-black.
@tomhenry897
Жыл бұрын
No it’s our woke Democrats
@MikeHunt-zy3cn
Жыл бұрын
I think it has a lot to do with people being insular, as well as media consumed. It's a bit ironic seeing how interconnected the modern world currently is.
@Userkaf_II
Жыл бұрын
Okay, so for starters we have genealogies for every race according to the ancient Hebrews who actually lived during the Bronze Age in Biblical scripture. Meaning the ancient Hebrews would be one of our best sources for what people alive during the Bronze Age would have looked like. According to Genesis which is one of the five books of the Pentateuch, the Sidonians who were the original inhabitants of modern day Lebanon known for their exceptional skills in ship building and seafaring according II Kings were descendants of Ham, which according to Hebrew tradition is the progenitor of the dark skinned or Negroid races of today including the Canaanites who historically established themselves in Lebanon and Palestine, influencing much of the regions culture, language and genetics. The ancient Middle East however was racially diverse and was not inhabited by a single racial group, as we know people from Anatolian from Urartu and Hattusa and the Ugaritic speaking Semitic population of Syria inhabited the ancient Middle East also. My best guess as to what Phoenicians or Tyrians of the Iron Age looked like could probably best be exemplified by Cypriot or Cyprian artwork, who do seem to have been a Anatolian/Canaanite Syrian inspired mixture, and these people were likely what the ancient Phoenicians looked like. The reason this is a problem to begin with is because of racist ideological views like Nordicism in the past have attributed all of the great accomplishments of the ancient world to Nordic or Aryan peoples(a pseudonym for northwestern Europeans). This is still a problem that is extant in academic and scholarly circles today, where ancient historical figures such as Tutankhamun are claimed as having had red hair and is supposedly related to over half of modern western European men today, and is still a commonly held belief by many even though historic and ethnographic evidence proves the ancient Egyptians were African/Afro-Asiatic in the ethnic, linguistic and biological sense, not related to people from countries with a Celtic or Germanic basis today. I think all of that taken into consideration, it's fair to say that "white supremacist ideology" is the reason why all of this confusion about race and ethnicity in the ancient world exist. Afrocentrism on the other hand came into existence to counteract white supremacist historical revision delineated by Anglo-Celtic intellectuals, but gradually went from being a movement meant to correct racist views and attitudes on sub-Saharan African history and civilization, like whether or not metallurgy or written language was achieved by sub-Saharan Africans on their own or whether whites introduced these things to sub-Saharan Africa, to just being about trying to prove that blacks are a superior race and are responsible for every major civilization to ever exist on earth even in places as far away from Africa as Mexico where the Olmec culture originated.
@maxpflughoeft6806
Жыл бұрын
@@basedimperialism a lot of them are american black israelites/ black americans ignorant of history thanks to our shitty education system
@soulglo45
3 ай бұрын
He probably looked like the people who are in Carthage (Tunisia) today
@Basedlocation
Жыл бұрын
Im tired of the We Wuz nonsense
@ajmerthethy6724
Жыл бұрын
Still wasn’t white
@a_l7515
Жыл бұрын
Hannibal was 🧔🏽♂️ not 🧔🏻♂️👩🏿🦲
@Basedlocation
Жыл бұрын
@@ajmerthethy6724 Never claimed him to be
@Basedlocation
Жыл бұрын
@@a_l7515 Did I ask ?
@Ivan220996
Жыл бұрын
I feel like in the past 10 years we went back centuries in terms of average intelligence and ability to think
@Pharaoh_Tutankhamen
Жыл бұрын
This is true
@superduperdave
Жыл бұрын
Because the 5.1 inch pecker gang isnt worshiped anymore?
@Ivan220996
Жыл бұрын
@@superduperdave wut?
@Ivan220996
Жыл бұрын
@@superduperdave oh lmao took me a second. Thanks for being a great example of my point. Exhibit A ladies and gentlemen
@davidtitanium22
Жыл бұрын
The unlearned just gained a voice and strengthened each other's ignorance
@thegatorhator6822
Жыл бұрын
Black people: "Culture vultures" Also black people: "yeah we was the egyptians and the original jews and the romans and the original Chinese and we was everyone"
@idirbouchdoug1567
Жыл бұрын
we wuz*
@radhiadeedou8286
Жыл бұрын
We all know why they do that
@azureandnoir3274
Жыл бұрын
who built the pyramids white people did not do it so yall say its aliens or some other bullshit but give us credit thats like saying the romans didnt build the colosseum and the chinese didnt build their wall 😭😭😭
@azureandnoir3274
Жыл бұрын
just like modern times yall steal our music our slang our style our inventions we cant even claim any of it with out the white people having to feel included or having to get a share of the profits but the things yall dont take credit for is wiping out nations and spreading diseases, starting wars over resources, systemic racism and dont forget segregation and jim crow laws 😭
@royalroyal2210
Жыл бұрын
@@idirbouchdoug1567 KANGZ*
@analogdistortion
Жыл бұрын
When they reach, they reach far.
@manuelvasquez4144
4 ай бұрын
Yo why does that Phoenician recreation look like Weird Al and Howard Stern made a baby
@jackwheeler609
3 ай бұрын
Saying all Africans are black is like saying all Asian are, well, Asian. Like you have white people in Russia, Indians in India, and Arabs in the Middle East. Continents don't really mean that much
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