Find out why the RTX 4070 stops performing better after 100W next: kzitem.info/news/bejne/y4OD2JxsiaJ9fGk
@rijulpraveensingh1650
Жыл бұрын
Finally 🤙
@TheDarksideFNothing
Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to it!
@andreabeccarisi1126
Жыл бұрын
Please do 4060 vs 3060 or 3070, not just 4060 vs 4070!
@manilshrestha8433
Жыл бұрын
Please do the review about acer helios 16 rtx 4060
@thiagoalbertins
Жыл бұрын
The most waited comparison by me is the 4060 vs 3060! Really hyped for it!
@SoundFX09
Жыл бұрын
You've got to give credit to XMG though for being Transparent as they can about Issues with their Laptops, and working on Remedies and Solutions as soon as possible. We've seen other Laptop Companies hide issues under the Rug Before, so for XMG to do this means they care about both their Brand Image and their Customers. Even if the Performance on the RTX 4070 didn't improve much, XMG made a conscious choice here, and a Good One at that. Appreciate your Coverage on this!
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
Yeah they are always very upfront with any issues on their Reddit especially, really good stuff
@GewelReal
Жыл бұрын
Hello, can You Not capitalize Random Words?
@dksun
Жыл бұрын
@@GewelReal it's a paid advertising
@ACE112ACE112
Жыл бұрын
The capitalization in this comment bugs me.
@Jasontvnd9
Жыл бұрын
@JarrodsTech are these XMG laptops clevo barebones with some finishing touches?
@TheDarksideFNothing
Жыл бұрын
Amazing how even after all that it's STILL a very disappointing release, and looks to be a price/performance regression based on early msrps
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
At least now I can be sure about it haha
@tanthokg
Жыл бұрын
yeah, the performance of the 4070 Laptop is just barely ahead of the 3070 Ti, while it should've been way more highter
@lilkidsuave
Жыл бұрын
7% improvement is very disappointing
@TheDarksideFNothing
Жыл бұрын
@@tanthokg I would accept 7% if it didn't also come with a price increase. At least if it were the same msrp you could still say it's an improvement. Based on pricing it appears to be an actual regression.
@tanthokg
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDarksideFNothing am I expecting too much from the 4070? I remember the 3070 was a huge leap from the 2070 at that time, both on laptops
@niko1even
Жыл бұрын
That's pretty unfortunate, but at least the consumers are fine... I hope. Props to XMG for being transparent about this issue.
@bfish9700
Жыл бұрын
"fine" being that they paid way more than they should have for no generational uplift in performance.
@rightwingsafetysquad9872
Жыл бұрын
@@bfish9700 But at least they \should\ be getting what they were told they were getting rather than something gimped by manufacturing errors.
@abdelhak943
Жыл бұрын
I bet that the 2.4% improvement comes from the 13th gen CPU and not the GPU.
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
Yeah exactly
@gersongaete1574
Жыл бұрын
Cpu improvement, newer ram, better cooling solution, faster NVMEs. All of those add up and I'm confident that the real difference is not even 5%, and quite possibly 0% at 1080p and then negative numbers at 1440p and specially 4k (due to bandwidth)
@BigTylt
2 ай бұрын
@@gersongaete1574If anything, that shows how unnecessary it is to upgrade your machines year-over-year, despite what manufacturers want you to think
@phd_angel4192
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for being honest. I still prefer 4070: 7% better performance using less energy is a much better option, specially if you can shop for a good deal.
@Dampfheini
11 ай бұрын
And do not forget the DLSS 3 support
@kalimbanewbie17
11 ай бұрын
same.. i got 4070 cause its cheaper than the 3070ti versiob 😂
@elis435
10 ай бұрын
Also 4070 has frame generation
@killuazoldyck5468
8 ай бұрын
I do believe that 3070 ti is cheaper than 4070 but in some countries like Indonesia, 3070ti became less common as i could only found 2-3 laptops out of hundreds of laptops sold here and finding them might be pain in the @ss 🥲
@BLOODYHACKER
4 ай бұрын
Guys does your 4070 use more than 60-70 watts in forbidden west?? Mine only use low watts in the game and gives low fps at max setting
@Olibelus
Жыл бұрын
Huge respect for this. Always professional to have a follow up. Great video as always. All the best, Jarrod!
@Jo-Heike
Жыл бұрын
I actually made my purchasing decision based on your earlier video, going for an RTX 3070 Ti laptop instead of an RTX 4070 laptop. As such I am happy you're willing to come back to a video you have posted based on new info and even collect a whole new data sample, even if it's just to reconclude your earlier conclusion. By the way, I am very happy with my SCAR 17 (2022), it's everything I wanted.
@notori-di5et
Жыл бұрын
How much did you pay for and what the spec just curious
@Jo-Heike
Жыл бұрын
@@notori-di5et So I splurged a bit and spent 32,000 NOK on it (a tiny bit over $3000 when converted), including a 25% VAT sales tax. As for the specs (model: G733CW-LL035X): i9-12900HX Speed: 2.3 GHz Factory overclock: 5 GHz Cores: 16, # of Performance-cores. 8 ; # of Efficient-cores. 8 ; Total Threads. 24 2x 16 gb DDR5 SDRAM Speed: 4,800 MHz Form factor: SO DIMM 262-pin SSD: PCIe 4.0, M.2 (1 TB) LED Screen: Resolution: WQHD (2560 x 1440) Size: 17.3 " Nits: 300 Refresh rate: 240Hz Response time: 3 ms CPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Misc: Full per-key RBG, 90 w-h battery, modern ports, etc. Overall while it was a bit more expensive than what I should honestly have gone for it works wonderfully for all my purposes and is leagues better than my old broken laptop which had almost stopped working.
@notori-di5et
Жыл бұрын
@@Jo-Heike Wow I thought thing would be lot more expensive here in Asia but in Europe it double dang but if you satisfy with your purchase than good for you and thnx using your time to answer my question 🤝
@Jo-Heike
Жыл бұрын
@@notori-di5et You're welcome. Also, important stuff to Norway is very expensive, and the VAT is 25%, so yeah, what you have to pay as a consumer is a lot.
@ihatemotionblur_3255
6 ай бұрын
@@Jo-Heike25% is crazy! Considering all semiconductors and nanochip industries are located outside europe! Thats very anti tech
@attilad.8142
Жыл бұрын
Your video pushed me to buy an Lenovo Legion 5 with 6800H and 3070 for ~1280€. I would be willing to spend ~200€ more for frame generation, but laptops with similar build quality are way more expensive. So I'm still happy with my choice, I will look for an upgrade when RTX6000/7000 series or RDNA5/6 arrive.
@contiplays
Жыл бұрын
Yeah same, i have 5800H and 3070. L5PRO
@karthikeyan53
Жыл бұрын
Don't worry. AMD will release FSR 3.0 for all cards. Then you can have fun.
@attilad.8142
Жыл бұрын
@@karthikeyan53 Frame Gen from Nvidia uses specialized hardware and still is far from perfect, although totaly useable when certain conditions are met. While I'am certainly looking forward to tinkering around with FSR 3.0 it first has to prove itself.
@karthikeyan53
Жыл бұрын
@@attilad.8142 Nvidia said the same for DLSS too. But AMD proved that upscaling is possible on all hardware through FSR. FSR 2.0 was really good. I believe in AMD that FSR 3.0 will also be good.
@shirokuro73
Жыл бұрын
Major kudos to you for correcting and re-testing, and to XMG for being so up-front about the issue and getting replacements out to you. So for all intents and purposes the laptop 4070 is basically a laptop 3070Ti Plus (with the Plus being DLSS3). Wow. Almost seems like this should have been the 4060. Very interested to see how the actual 4060 performs. Keep up the awesome work!
@TheDude50447
10 ай бұрын
this gen nvidia has gimped the xx70 models an below in more ways than just vram amount. Memory bandwidth is among the things they decreased to low end standards especially on the 4070. They want to upsell desktop and mobile buyers to at least the 4080 which is the least expensive card not intentionally made worse this gen.
@shirokuro73
10 ай бұрын
@@TheDude50447 I ended up getting an Asus G14 4070. I would have gone for the 4060, but they ran a sale on the 4070 so the price difference was small. Performance is decent, but I do agree that anything below a 4080 this gen seems suited only to small, light, lower wattage machines.
@clintony3000
Жыл бұрын
I picked up a Legion 5 with a 3070ti during black Friday last year, and man am I glad I went that route. It easily holds a candle to this gen, and got it for a great price.
@LadyAmandaK
Жыл бұрын
Your 3070 Ti card is also over 87 celsius in performance mode when gaming (there is throttling)?
@ACE112ACE112
Жыл бұрын
@@LadyAmandaK no way it gets that hot.
@clintony3000
Жыл бұрын
@@LadyAmandaK I use a cooling pad and find it does well. I bought it for night shifts and trips, so I don't use it super often, just wanted something decently capable
@LadyAmandaK
Жыл бұрын
In auto GPU has max 80 Celsius, but in performance temp to about 89 and next it is throttled to about 86. I don't use cooling pad because I don't see any differences in temperature.
@ACE112ACE112
Жыл бұрын
@@LadyAmandaK what about with max fans on?
@blasianking4827
Жыл бұрын
You may or may not remember me but I made a comment talking about how I wanted to save for a laptop, well after a few months I just got my Strix G15 with a 6800H and 3070 Ti a few days ago! Runs everything great. Keep up the good work Jarrod.
@HanmaHeiro
Жыл бұрын
Congrats, just out of curiosity. How much did ya pay for it?
@TheDarksideFNothing
Жыл бұрын
Congrats! That's a beast for sure. I have a Legion 5 Pro with 6800h and 3070 and have been very happy with it. ($1600 US) The only times I get unsatisfactory performance is when I'm asking it to do unreasonable things like cyberpunk with ray tracing. Glad I didn't wait for 40 series, as I wouldn't even be able to afford a 4070 and a 4060 is almost definitely going to be a downgrade comparatively!
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@blasianking4827
Жыл бұрын
@@TheDarksideFNothing I live in Japan rn so gaming laptops are more expensive here, 40 series are like 500-1000 USD more than comparable 30 series laptops so yeah, this was by far the best value for my money.
@blasianking4827
Жыл бұрын
@@HanmaHeiro I live in Japan so gaming laptops are more expensive. The deal on Asus' website is $1650 USD but I ordered it on Amazon so I paid a bit more for it but I did it because it was easier and would come faster (I assumed), so more like $1780 USD. Isn't great by US standards but amazing for Japanese standards.
@jonathanr4160
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Sadly, the 4070 is still pretty "meh" for the $ considering 3070Ti laptops offer much better value here in the US for the $. Curious to see the 4050/4060 results still now
@vmafarah9473
Жыл бұрын
its a stuttery mess in games like RDR2 due to low Memory bandwidth.
@qwer55555555
Жыл бұрын
@@vmafarah9473 how do you know?
@lexavlogs7149
Жыл бұрын
Idks but at least consume 50% less
@ACE112ACE112
Жыл бұрын
@@vmafarah9473 proof?
@siyzerix
Жыл бұрын
4070? Don't you mean 4060? Cause that's what it is.
@tanthokg
Жыл бұрын
No worries, errors happen all the time, we appreciate the effort you made for all these high quality videos. Mistakes aside, the 4070 Laptop went from 3% to 7% faster in 1080p, *MINUS* 1% to 2% increase in 1440p gaming performance comparing to the 3070 Ti. The numbers are mind-blowing, in a much less positive way. I guess we all can agree that the customers are fine, because the dissapointment stays the same
@TheDarksideFNothing
Жыл бұрын
Nvidia graphs showing "twice the disappointment compared to last generation!" Or "3X the tears per dollar!" What astounding value!
@DeepMukherjee
Жыл бұрын
In my country both laptops ( from MSI) are equally priced . So with a die shrink and better node we get the same performance, same price and same thermals. Nice
@TheDarksideFNothing
Жыл бұрын
A 30 series nobody can buy followed by a 40 series that nobody wants to lol
@tanthokg
Жыл бұрын
@@DeepMukherjee the cuda core count is lower, and the memory bandwidth is halved. I don't know if it matters for long-term use. Some say it does
@gersongaete1574
Жыл бұрын
@@tanthokgit matters a lot. Specially the bandwidth, you can see how it barely holds up at 1440p, and 4k is essentially not possible due to the shitty 3050 tier of 128bit bandwidth
@hamada3ido125
Жыл бұрын
i am now more confident in buying a 3070ti laptop now since it's on a deal, wished the 4070 (or even 4080) were not that crazy priced.
@tanthokg
Жыл бұрын
In my place, the 4070 laptops are 50% more expensive than the 3070 ti, and even the 4060's are still at least at the same price
@pastapasta4910
Жыл бұрын
But don't you think 40xx is worth it because of frame generation? It boosts your fps by a lot
@pastapasta4910
Жыл бұрын
@Manuel mkay. I'll also stick to my 3080 but I thought FG could be a reason to go for RTX 40xx
@hamada3ido125
Жыл бұрын
@@tanthokg the ones i see in some online shops are around the 3080ti laptops.
@teapouter6109
Жыл бұрын
@@pastapasta4910 It's not real FPS. Latency is terrible compared to DLSS 2, and game support is pathetic. 40 series is nothing but a slap in the face on both desktop and laptop. This is almost as bad as the 2000 series. Might be worse. Hard to say.
@almuntassermohammad6616
Жыл бұрын
i think right now people are just hungry to see a proper 4060 review. but more important than that is a comparision between 3060 vs 4050 coz i think thats the real game changer. if the rumors are true that 4050 is almost as good as 3060, then the prices would be absolutely insane in favor of the buyers. hopefully that is.
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
It's all coming just takes time to get the right stuff to do it 😊
@princehariz7859
Жыл бұрын
spoler , 4050 lose without dslss 3.0
@almuntassermohammad6616
Жыл бұрын
@@princehariz7859 ive seem some other youtubers comparing it, in some cases its pretty darn close even without dlss 3. but its hard to verify other youtubers so im waiting for Jarrods channel to do the comparison. still dlss 3 seems like a game changer moving forward. it may not work for ALL games, but it does work for MOST. and thats the most important part. you can always update and refine the software, but same cant be said with hardware which rtx 3000's simply do not have.
@SteveEricJordan
Жыл бұрын
your integrity to the gaming laptop community is unmatched. we love you and your always on point music taste
@TheMaxAwesome
Жыл бұрын
4070 = 3070Ti + DLSS3.0 for less power draw. Sounds like a win all around if you’re in the market and deciding between the two at similar price point. DLSS 3.0 is significant if you’re not a pixel peeper and less power draw is huge for laptop GPUs.
@kalimbanewbie17
11 ай бұрын
true
@poppers7317
8 ай бұрын
DLSS 3.0 also needs VRAM of which the 4070 hasn't a lot
@consumertechwarehouse
Жыл бұрын
My biggest fear is giving people wrong numbers and advice. Especially with gaming laptops costing thousands of dollars. Having said that, if you get early samples, that's an opportunity you have to take advantage of. It helps early adopters make decisions and the channel
@HanmaHeiro
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the follow up. I agree with your assessment and hopefully you're able to add a note on the 4070 v 3070ti video to link to this in the video itself. This way people can get a fuller picture. I know KZitem has limitations but it's best so people don't try and hit your reputation should they see the slight discrepancy in the 4070 performance
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
I updated the pinned comment on the original video to mention this one and I'll add it to the end of the other one too, not too much else can be done from a KZitem perspective unfortunately. Remember when they had on screen captions? Haha
@totallynotmyeggalt6216
Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, Tom's Hardware published a 4070 laptop review with a Gigabyte Aorus model that was initially very lackluster, then the review was updated with a mention of faulty drivers from Nvidia, but it still seems to barely break above many 3070Ti models.
@Ragnaraz690
Жыл бұрын
If the 4070, had the same amount of cores and such as it's predecessor, 10gb of VRAM and the same bit bus and bandwidth as the 3070ti, chances are it would be a great GPU, but Nvid called the 4060ti a 4070 and gimped the midrange.
@TheDarksideFNothing
Жыл бұрын
Great work as always. I think you handled this the best way possible. I think I speak for everyone here when I say we appreciate the honesty. Stuff happens sometimes. You're definitely still my first source when it comes to this type of content!
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheMaxAwesome
Жыл бұрын
I genuinely don’t understand why you’re comparing the 4070 with a 3070Ti instead of 3070, and then the 4070 beats it in most games, and that’s somehow bad? We expect current gen to barely edge out the last gen+1 sku bump (3060 to beat 2070, 3070 to beat 2080, 4080 to beat 3080Ti, etc.). So why not compare gen over gen or at least call that out?
@violonist-pl4tt
5 ай бұрын
4080 to beat 3080ti? He's doing the same with 4070 vs 3070ti. You said exactly what he's doing
@pranavmahajan_pm
Жыл бұрын
I just bought the legion 5 gen 7 with 3070ti. And I cannot be more happy with it. Got it for a DEAL!
@Quickbeam_
Жыл бұрын
i love how transparent you were in the video, while the outcome didnt change very much, the silver lining is that xmg were able to in part leverage your results to fix an issue and you get two videos worth of revenue
@khmayu2377
Жыл бұрын
I really want to upgrade my laptop soon from 1650Ti to 4070 or at least 4060. But at the current state, 4070 seems not quite in a great spot in term of performace based on your video. Well, none of 40 series laptop (except 4090 and 4050 from MSI) available on my country yet. So i can sit back, watch the upcoming news and more of your 40 laptop videos reviews and decide later on!
@rsjet
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure most people prefer earlier reviews than later more accurate reviews, even for just a ballpark figure of how improved the new products are. It allows us to know which GPUs/CPUs we should look at to purchase. The differences between early hardware and final hardware, as shown here , are minimal and the conclusions don't change. Thanks Jarrod for the early review and the retest!
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts! I'm not sure I agree about early reviews. If I'm buying something as expensive as a gaming laptop I want to an accurate representation of how it will perform. I'd also prefer to avoid having inaccurate information in my videos where possible.
@rsjet
Жыл бұрын
@@JarrodsTech Thanks for the reply. I believe your point to be correct, but i think what i stated also applies as long as the early review numbers are within the ballpark of the final hardware. Mainly because for most people they want to buy the latest gen hardware immediately, rather than wait months for the most reviews of every single option to be released.
@peter5204
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that it is 5-10% less sh!ty as I ordered Legion 7i pro with 4070 just few days ago. This good news makes me 5-10% happier with my purchase 😊
@V1pz0r
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t the Frame Generation feature worth upgrading to a laptop with 4070 over the 3070ti despite the marginal improvement at native 1440p? Also 4070 will probably produce lower temp and fan noise for the same performance demand
@hemendraravi4787
Жыл бұрын
both are in similar price range anyways
@MashITTech
Жыл бұрын
Nice work as always Jarrod
@Markom.
Жыл бұрын
Did you test how much watts 4070 was pulling when playing games? My blade 18 with 4070 was doing only ~100 watts even tho its supposed to go upto 140 watts. And the performance was almost identical to last years 3070 ti on my legion 7i. Sometimes legion was even faster. I think its due to the really low memory bus nvidia did for the 4070. I was so dissappointed in the performance i had to send blade back. Laptop was in itself really good and up to my needs. That was just unacceptable for me. Too bad razer needs to take return for it but in the end they decided to put it in the blade 18 and marketed it goin to 140 watts. If i knew it couldnt go past 100 would have not ordered that model. Would appreciate if you could reply your experience here Jarrod! Good review and agree with you, 4070 just isnt worth it
@Lukashoffmann94
Жыл бұрын
Didn’t he already mention that in his original review? The 60/70 cards only seem to use their full power budget in benchmarks and hit 105W in games at most. XMG even has an extra mention of that in their spec sheets. No idea why that is though.
@sonicboy678
Жыл бұрын
@@Lukashoffmann94 That's easy. Ampere's efficiency is considerably worse. Just to drive the point home, look at the 4090 (no, not the glorified 4080 they're using in laptops, but the AD102 config with comically large air coolers).
@Lukashoffmann94
Жыл бұрын
@@sonicboy678 Yes, but it is not like all benchmarks are short term stresstests and the laptops can keep up with the 175W of the 80/90 cards. I suspect, that the cards are just too underspecd in cores and therefore only hit their max. power draw in situations, that mirror an all-core cpu Test. Overclocking could help a bit, but Nvida probably already pushed the clocks close to limit.
@niebuhr6197
Жыл бұрын
These gpus have all lower than normal voltage limits. Your hardware is reaching the voltage set in the vbios and WILL NOT boost any higher.
@justswitched8841
Жыл бұрын
@Foromar My 2080 super laptop pulls 200 watts I saw it while using msi afterburner.
@edward1101
Жыл бұрын
Hey Jarrod, I'm impressed by your ability to create so many high quality videos in a such a short timespan! Are you planning a full review of alienware m18 in the nearest future?
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about the Alienware. I have had issues getting them previously, so never have any idea if or when I'll get one.
@Hypnoticool
Жыл бұрын
Also from a raw power point of view the 4070 doesnt look that impressive, but its amazing from an efficiency point of view which is actually important to people that travel alot.
@sonicboy678
Жыл бұрын
Sure, but the price increase eats into that value, which is honestly a damn shame.
@Nexx
Жыл бұрын
Best gaming laptop review in town!
@cocktailsandpedro815
Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness. I bought the Zephyrus M16 (2022 12900 3070ti) because of the previous video,but I debated the 4070 version. I'm glad i still made the right decision and saved some money.
@metalistic1
Жыл бұрын
Great video as always, we appreciate what you do and the transparency on everything.
@bandhkedalosochomat1082
Жыл бұрын
4050 and 4060 still seems to be a better release, with 4050 being actually good.
@cmdrclassified
Жыл бұрын
You're a good man, Jarrod. Hell, you're the best laptop reviewer on the internet! Thanks for being you. o7
@itzarrandom6245
Жыл бұрын
Jeez, these mid-range laptop GPUs have such little improvement
@nowaywithyoueveragai
Жыл бұрын
1:29 Hopefully you are right. As I got my laptop 2017 (new from store) It turned out it was an early sample from August 2016 with a GPU with some stability problems, the solution: install a bios which would cap it some 200mhz (if I recall it right) under the advertised and others companies products... It was a MSI laptop, I understand XMG manages issues differently.
@danielcable842
Жыл бұрын
I just really want to see these two GPUs at different TDP settings. I have a suspicion that the 4070 is going to put up some great numbers in the 75-100 watt range. I'm looking for a laptop that doesn't sound like a jet engine and still performs well at higher settings. Really hoping a Ryzen 7040 and rtx 4070 fit the bill
@luminous3353
3 ай бұрын
3070 are power hungry monsters gpus....i think on 4070 on 100watt we getting equal performance without buring thermals vs 3070 on 160w getting hot as hell then 4070 is doing great
@victorc777
Жыл бұрын
For a laptop, I think Perf/Watt should be a major factor in your testing and comparisons. Is the 4070 more performant than the 3070 Ti, well, not by much, but how much more time do you get off the charger? How much quieter is it when gaming? These are very important metrics to compare between the two. Maybe I'm different, but people usually buy laptops because they use them for more than just gaming, so time off the charger is a very important metric. IMO
@brayanrodriguezn.3430
Жыл бұрын
He actually does that, but because it's a much more specific thing and varies in every machine, he does them in the reviews of a specific model, rather than here.
@QuantumConundrum
Жыл бұрын
I am waiting on model specific reviews for this reason.
@giuseppenaylor
Жыл бұрын
Breh... You've got a subscriber. Dedication to the task is admirable.
@migongaming
Жыл бұрын
Hey jarrod, you should totally review the Axioo Pongo 7 (upgradable desktop cpu and stuff, though it'll void your warranty, and it's only available in Indonesia as far as i know) if it interests you
@magicfuchs616
Жыл бұрын
THIS ! is the stuff why I value your channel! Thank you and greeting from Germany!
@mkgaming990
Жыл бұрын
Man I love your way of presentation and also your analysis skills with great knowledge
@SirRFI
Жыл бұрын
Have you considered reviewing accessories for laptops, like USB hubs, docks, port replicators, KVM and alike? As far I browse shops in my country, product pages are limited to number of ports and nothing else - no description, no port version like HDMI, no bandwidth, anything. Some products have customer reviews saying how certain ports stop working in certain conditions, or how HDMI port is supposedly 2.0 but basically limits itself to what 1.4 can offer anyway. I am considering buying Zephyrus G14 2022, but it doesn't have many ports - including network one, so I would have to buy said accessories.
@hyperion8650
Жыл бұрын
You could also just go for the g15 which gives better IO
@SirRFI
Жыл бұрын
@@hyperion8650 Looking for AMD+AMD model, which considering availability limits choice to only this or DDR4 models.
@spambobspampants
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the G14 video!
@60DollarCodger
Жыл бұрын
I don't care what they say about you in the JT discord, you are stand-up peeps for doing all of this re-testing. 😜
@RyanAlexSmith
Жыл бұрын
Every so often your videos remind me of a song that I haven't heard in years and should revisit, today it was "Clayman" and "Scream" to bring me down memory lane of what I was listening to at the time in the mid-2000's. Thanks again for all the content, you've helped me help a number of people make good choices on what purchase gets them the most out of their money.
@hwi7114
Жыл бұрын
Currently, 3070 Ti equipped laptops are much cheaper than 4070 laptops in the US, that combined with the minuscule performance difference, I think it's easy to say that 4070 laptops are a horrible buy.
@spacepaw69
Жыл бұрын
Hi Jarrod awesome Video as always, I wanted to ask you if the Lenovo Legion 5 Pro (RTX 3070 Ryzen 5800h 16gb ram) is better than a 3060ti ryzen 5600x 32gb ram desktop, in the field of performance?
@discoveryalbum
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the transparency. What a great way to handle it!
@Iopipimps
Жыл бұрын
early review samples are still good so people can have a baseline of potential issues and we get to see if corpos actually fixes them
@theyori6346
Жыл бұрын
4070 vs 4060 please ❤ I need a laptop and kinda want the new Razer Blade. As the 4080 is too expensive I want to know if it is worth buying a 4070 or save a bit and buy a 4060
@vasubawa
Жыл бұрын
Hey guys, soo I should still just get the 3070ti then? or should I wait a few months ? I'm able to get a Legion 5 AMD with 3070ti for $1200 before tax
@WASD-MVME
Жыл бұрын
Great work!
@saulgoodman4403
Жыл бұрын
Jarrod, I have a question for you; if price wasn’t important, what 16 inch gaming laptop would you get? I’m trying to see what the best gaming 16 inch laptop is and there are a lot of mixed answers and I found you the most trustworthy… 😅
@marcusbennett93
Жыл бұрын
I've got a hp omen and bar the trackpad it's brilliant
@ezradelacruz275
Жыл бұрын
When's the legeion 7i 4080 review at?
@MyronZhao
Жыл бұрын
I would imagine the 3070 Ti and 4070 Ti whenever that comes out would have a bigger gap.
@Heliosvector
Жыл бұрын
Probably. But this comparison was made because the main last gen laptop being pushed (and most popular configurations) were the 3070ti. But the difference in price aren’t worth it. For instance in Canada you can get a 3070ti legion 7 gen 7 for about 2500. Whereas the legion 7i pro gen 8 with a 4070 is 3000 cad. Basically 500 dollars for the same rasterization and frame generation with lower build quality.
@MyronZhao
Жыл бұрын
@@Heliosvector yeah I’m in Canada too, honestly I wouldn’t get anything higher than 4060 if I was in the market for a new machine. I have a Asus G14 with 3050 Ti and it’s sufficient enough for my needs for 1080p gaming
@uinmydreamscooldonle
Жыл бұрын
That's so less and more money I would stick with my 3070 as of now
@Novskyy621
Жыл бұрын
Still pretty underwhelming. Given that the efficiency on the 40 series desktop gpus is so much better, on laptop they didn't really improve. I suspect the 70 cards were tuned down a little to justify the extreme price uplift for the 80 and 90 cards compared to last gen. I can't explain it otherwise. Very disappointing what route nvidia is going
@Lukashoffmann94
Жыл бұрын
For the 3000 series they still used the same chips as the desktop variants just with reduced clocks, while the 4000 series are all one tier lower than their desktop counterpart. E.g.: The 4080 mobile uses the same chip as the 4070 TI. So the real generational change can be seen between a 3060m and a 4070m, but because of Nvidias greed we get nothing from that.
@lil_brumski
Жыл бұрын
WTF are you talking about? These 4000 series laptop GPUs have far better efficiency!
@gunjan_ks
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for updating. Would you recommend 4070 over 3070ti ? Considering the newer laptops have both newer CPU and GPU , is it worth to spend an extra 200 dollars for the newer spec ? Confused between lenovo 7i gen 7 and gen 8 (240hz is important for me)
@notori-di5et
Жыл бұрын
For me I just went last year 3070ti since I'm getting a far better laptop than a mid range 4070 laptop
@gunjan_ks
Жыл бұрын
@@notori-di5et which one did you get ? Can you share the specs ?
@sushimshah2896
Жыл бұрын
0:15 - Hey it's Tom from XMG, I remember him dropping by in the comments in your XMG laptop videos years ago
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
he still does!
@GameCookerUSRocks
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honesty. More FPS is worth something. And everyone still has to realize that this is a 4070 versus a 3070ti. Yeah I know everybody was expecting 30% more performance. For a laptop do the performance is pretty great. Everyone can wait for AMD to swoop in and save the day. Isn't that what I'm supposed to say? Also new laptops are always more expensive at the start. The prices will drop as the months pass by. People need to stop comparing present price of last-gen to the new stuff.
@gee4636
Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you have tried overclocking but 4070s are heavily voltage limited so the default boost clock is a lot lower when compared to 4060/50. If you add a 300MHz boost to the clock, it can actually trade blows with a 3080ti. But still, because of the lower bus width and voltage cap, Nvidia is intentionally crippling the 4070 in higher resolution and higher tdp versions. Perhaps they are trying to squeeze some room for upcharging 4070Ti laptops
@FrowningTaco
Жыл бұрын
Couldn't you overclock a 3070ti already?
@ms9001
Жыл бұрын
do not let them influence your result. i am here because you do rigorous testing and give honest results.
@emudshit
Жыл бұрын
Interesting, so it seems the 4050 and 4060 is this years best choice, night grab the 4050 z13 flow, anyone have thoughts or should I get the 4060 version ?
@michaelschrobilgen3118
Жыл бұрын
I'm going to pick up the 4060 z13
@emudshit
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelschrobilgen3118 same here haha just waiting for availability in Australia
@einkaya
Жыл бұрын
We are looking at a decent youtuber here. There is nobody in the world that makes a video named "Was I Wrong About ....?" This is gold. This shows that your reviews are genuine. Thank you so much.
@davidgunther8428
Жыл бұрын
SOTR is very sensitive to CPU performance at 1080p, so memory tunings or CPU cooling could easily cause the 18% difference.
@Deyv.z
Жыл бұрын
Applause and respect to XMG!
@JawadAliQamar
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your honesty and efforts to get back to us with the correct information. Looking at the new results though, I still think 4070 laptop version is still NOT a worthy upgrade and NVIDIA is once again scamming the customers.
@JaySanAV
Жыл бұрын
Jarrod I just bought the Acer Predator 2022 model with a 3070ti, thanks to your videos I am very happy with this choice 👍🏽
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@chrisescue6555
9 ай бұрын
Totally new to PC gaming, and I'm so glad I have you to reference.
@lwampirl
Жыл бұрын
Good Job!
@srivats1095
Жыл бұрын
That’s why you’re the best man! No matter what, you set your priorities right and deliver the quality content right on time!! Kudos to that!!
@Airwolf2030
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting us know about the issue and glad xmg letting us know about the issue than to ignore it later, I wonder the performance difference be like compared to the 3070 even though the cpus is different 🤔
@user-xb2bi5yu6o
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jarrod for being so true and all those very informative videos you are posting is really helps us a lot when choosing the right gaming laptop on our personal budget and needs!
@shfd3832
10 ай бұрын
THANK YOU JARROD.VERY HELPFUL
@xProRocK
Жыл бұрын
I'll wait to see what Lenovo can do with this 4070 in its laptops, then I make a decision whether buy 3070/ti or 4070.
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
We will have a Legion Pro 5i with 4070 arriving soon
@ahsoka6807
Жыл бұрын
@@JarrodsTech Any word on the legion 9 series Jarrod lol?
@hogman3543
6 ай бұрын
MSI provided me a RTX 4070 replacement for my Ge66 raider 3070 under warranty
@boost91
4 ай бұрын
😂😂 that's hilarious
@user-cu5gc4qz8p
Жыл бұрын
bit unfortunate i'd read the new 4090 laptops using the tongfang motherboard (xmg neo, mech gp2, recoil vii) were having issues with crashing and that it was suspected they weren't throttling properly. for high end product it scared me off to point where I went for pricier alienware m18 instead
@tommyb6611
Жыл бұрын
can't wait the 4060 vs 3060 ^_^
@manjunathprasad7558
Жыл бұрын
Hey, i really think you should compare laptops gpu to their desktop equalent, i mean the laptop rtx 4090 is nowhere near its desktip counterpart but it whould be really intresting to see the desktop equalent of the laptop gpu's
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
I have done and will do more soon. You can find the playlist here: kzitem.info/door/PLFBbwFM8jIbNpuH8aV5qyuoFavnRmviYy
@Rykaas
Жыл бұрын
In Flames t-shirt? Fastest sub of my life
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
🤘
@Lilac_n_Cherry
Жыл бұрын
I think for 2023, 4050 is gonna be the sweet spot for best value for money laptop GPU....I was debating whether to get Acer Predator Helios 300 with RTX 3060 or Asus TUF A15 2023 with RTX 4050...both are about the same price (actually RTX 4050 TUF costs less than RTX 3060 Helios in my country). What do you think Jarrod? I could still get the 4060 version of TUF A15, but I don't think the performance is worth the extra money I have to add.
@spiritofpostpunk7207
Жыл бұрын
4050
@mariuspuiu9555
Жыл бұрын
i think you are better off with a 3070/3070ti laptop than a 4050 one (you should be able to find one close to that price). the 4050 kinda just matches the 3060 which is too meh. (and the 4060 laptops look to be expensive, at least in my region)
@Lilac_n_Cherry
Жыл бұрын
@@mariuspuiu9555 3070ti laptops are way way more pricier than the 3060 versions in my country whereas I can get the TUF A15 with latest ryzen cpu and rtx 4050 for a price even lesser than the 3060 laptops.
@niebuhr6197
Жыл бұрын
4050 is cut down gar bage. The best gpu is clearly 4080m, now if only they went down in price.
@mariuspuiu9555
Жыл бұрын
@@Lilac_n_Cherry is it the same with the regular 3070? (non ti)
@araara4717
Ай бұрын
Came for the content, stayed for the plot twists. 😂
@ARAKAWA00
Жыл бұрын
The very reason why I subscribed to you, is you are so wholesome on videos you create. Cheers mate.
@jimmyjiang3413
Жыл бұрын
I think the best way for future GPUs shall be no more BF-GPUs, and no more DLSS in favor of FSR 2+3. David Wang said those ultra high end, BG-GPUs are not for general high end gamers. Most people think highest end GPU shall be priced at $1000-1200. The power consumption shall be capped at 350-450W TDP, and rely on the tried and true 8-pin power connector instead. The best PCB shall be full length. The naming scheme of laptop GPUs shall be this: 4080M or 4070M. However, I believe the only true 4080 for laptop shall be the exact same chip as desktop: AD103. Also, the answer for RTX 50 shall be for manufacturing cost and yield perspective: Can we get monolithic superchip performance with disaggregated chiplet designs? Pull VRAM memory controller out of the main GPU die shall help because transistors scale worst in this one. 96MB L2 is way too large and takes up too much space, and I think 24MB shall be more than enough. This can be compensated by a new very large L3 cache off the main die, as NV patent said. This new L3MC die can scale depending on SKU and GPU size needs. One single die can have 64-bit GDDR6 interface rated at 20Gbps, and 16 or 32MB L3 cache on base die, combined into a single unit. Up to 6 identical chips can be used surrounding GPU, and connected with improved NVLink-C2C interconnect, possibly rated at up to 5TB/s via fanout bridge like InFO-L. Not all parts need to be made on 4N-N4 Process. The memory cache unit can be made on cheaper process node like N7P high density version. Thus, much of manufacturing cost can be reduced and diverted to advanced 2D and 3D packaging due to smaller dies on same sized wafer, thus higher yields.
@LucasBlaney
Жыл бұрын
👏 👏 👏 👏 well done, Jarrod. You're the man.
@kleptomaniacpoe
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately we live in times where companies just release half tested products which are not 100% as speced and advertised.
@ayoungtricknamedjim5498
Жыл бұрын
I literally bought a Legion 5 Pro with 3070 Ti instead of a 4070 laptop because of your comparison video lol.
@lastblueride5
Жыл бұрын
Ofc its your decision, but I sincerely hope you continue releasing reviews before the release date as many of us decide to buy based on independant reviews. Not to mention, here in the US, many laptops are offered on pre-order (so they're essentially asking for money for something we don't how well it will perform).
@KarlWad
Жыл бұрын
When I saw the original video I was basically ready to write off this entire generation of laptop GPUs. I seriously respect you making the correction and am looking forward to new 40 series content
@emanggitulah4319
Жыл бұрын
Better wait at least a year until they get their laptop working as advertised...not paying more to be an alpha tester and potentially getting a slow unit
@60DollarCodger
Жыл бұрын
It was only an issue in early reviewer units. The commercial units shipped to customers do not have the slight issue Jarrod observed.
@GohanBurner
Жыл бұрын
Jerrod, love your videos man...but I find myself trying to compare the XX70 cards to the older XX80/ti cards. Got any of those out there? Can't decide if I should go for the 3080ti with 16gb vram or a newer 4070.
@SSGBLACK
Жыл бұрын
Amazing video, I already bought laptop with 3060 last year based on your reviews, BUT I want to upgrade to 4060 so I want to see 4060 vs 3060 comparison to be sure
@Galabog-222rt
5 ай бұрын
I dont understand These Laptops. In Videos the 4070 Laptop is Almost as fast as an rtx 4060 ti Desktop but at the same time only 2.4 Prozent faster that the 3070 ti Laptop, that is in turn worser than the 4060 ti or 3060 ti by a lot 😂
@demi8005
Жыл бұрын
I'm curious, wouldn't FPS increase with each NVIDIA driver updates along the line for these games? Isn't it a compatibility issue as of now? Or are these concrete permanent results regardless of driver updates, thank you for your reply
@JarrodsTech
Жыл бұрын
Things may change in future with drivers and also with games but I wouldn't imagine there would be a huge difference.
@demi8005
Жыл бұрын
@@JarrodsTech Thank you very much for your reply, I'm currently in the market for a gaming laptop and the Lenovo 5/5i pro seem to be the best for my buck out there, I thought if I were to invest a tad bit more I'd be getting a future proof pc at least for the next 4 to 5 years, should one take into account the difference in HZ between the two models as well as the cooling into account when opting between the two? I've heard these laptops have a tendency to burn out their gpu chip after a couple of years. As always thank you for your reply, if at all troublesome please just ignore the comment! Big fan of your videos
@user-km5zq6sh3v
Жыл бұрын
@@demi8005hey so did u get the rtx 4070 laptop? And if so, how is it?
@demi8005
Жыл бұрын
@@user-km5zq6sh3v Not yet, it's going for 2 grand, but between it and the 3070 model I think the 4070 wins with refresh rate and cooling
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