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Virtuosa FINALLY remember that her class is a Supporter
@vanzeralltheway8638
Ай бұрын
"I support my team by soloing half of opposing army and left the other half dying. My teammates will got it easier"
@quocbaohoanghuu7116
2 ай бұрын
That's why it's called teamwork makes the dreamwork
@dedcet634
2 ай бұрын
so it means she's fucking dogshit and useless without arthuria noted
@VermillionNova
Ай бұрын
I actually really like this. I really like ops that are strong in a combo, but *relatively* weaker alone. It makes it so much more fun to play around them as a more casual player instead of drop Mountain and forget. Things like Skadi+Chongyue, Abyssal Hunters, Qiubai+Suzuran, Skadi+Stainless+Angelina, etc. It's a shame numbers have got so crazy that there's rarely ever times to actually flex those combos, but I do like that they're still releasing operators who suit that more. Plus if you don't have her S3's (currently) limited options, you can use S2 instead, still on the same unit. Nymph is cool.
@diogenesfromsinope
2 ай бұрын
S2: War Crimes S3: Enables War Criminal Nymph upholding the ancient Sarkaz tradition of ignoring the Geneva conventions
@buglocc
2 ай бұрын
TL;DR: You need Virtuosa to use her. If you do have Virtuosa it's definitely worth it to get Nymph and use S3. If you don't have Virtuosa it's hardly a recommendation except for Nymph's S2. Even Valarvqin can barely enable Nymph's S3 usage.
@Eusthasia
2 ай бұрын
True, nymph s3 is technically true damage if paired with virtuosa since no boss have resist for ele damage....yet, although her value will goes down when resist start to exist and by that time we prob got another 6 star ritualist or primal caster that can reduce ele resist which result in better damage than current ele damage ops
@deshevardnadze4483
2 ай бұрын
And unfortunately Virtuosa is a limited operator
@energybeats6051
2 ай бұрын
I somehow got p2 virtuosa with just the free pulls so now I'm tempted to save for nymph...
@danielkiran8174
Ай бұрын
You could use Logos with his Necrosis module.
@vanzeralltheway8638
Ай бұрын
@@danielkiran8174 But it will be worse. Virtuosa S3 can put even a boss (Mandragora) under fallout twice, twice, in a single S3 cast (practically keeping everyone in her range under fallout). Nymph can unload almost all of her S3 in that duration. Logos biggest weakness from being a ritualist is that, he can only inflict 8% of his damage as elemental build up. Even as powerful as he is it will still take time for him to inflict necrosis, and the fallout itself will only last for half of Nymph S3, rendering half of it as only arts damage. Nymph's full potential hangs on virtuosa, not even logos can help her here.
@Eclin
Ай бұрын
Honestly a character should only be this powerful if they are being supported like this, not whatever the meta has become these days that allow nukes just for deploying. Unfortunately, Virtuosa is a limited character, and for now at least it means her only easy “buffer” is hard to get, and that’s equally as dumb lol.
@ch1ngch3nghanji14
2 ай бұрын
well, shit make sense now, if HG make her S3 able to inflict elemental she would be unstoppable
@kenquanta6761
2 ай бұрын
Have been saying that from the beginning and those meta slave keep whining after looking at her raw dmg without even try to think
@lloleolom
2 ай бұрын
The not having necrosis in her S3 is obviously done for the sake of balance.
@dreading_bread5062
Ай бұрын
She is literally locked behind limited operator to be usable for s3
@Only_Ameen04
Ай бұрын
@@kenquanta6761 Can't blame them when archetype ignorer like Walter and Mountain exist. They definitely think Nymph will get the same treatment
@Sairento-kun
Ай бұрын
@@kenquanta6761Welp it's nothing strange, they look only on dmg, nothing else is important for them
@m_imran7957
2 ай бұрын
Ok that solve for Nymph, now we wait for Warmy case to solve
@ADUDUsimp69
2 ай бұрын
Also ifrit mod ∆ Suzuran mom, ur daughter r the Light, may the mother become the Sun 🙏
@mo_ody6456
Ай бұрын
It's really weird how primal casters have near null chance of ever proccing elemental bursts but "support" class Virtuosa can do it very consistently so easily Here's an "elemental caster" bunny that can't do anything really elemental (even her 15% elemental damage is calculated post res) until we decide to release a 6 ⭐️ "supporter" that does her job better and she can support them if you want, not that she's needed
@MeowCat489
2 ай бұрын
I feel like people are forgetting she deals elemental damage IN MASSIVE AMOUNTS, which is basically true damage
@danielkiran8174
Ай бұрын
Yes, I was also saying that on the last video, and everyone there pretended like it doesn't mean anything.
@vanzeralltheway8638
Ай бұрын
It was the requirement that made people seethe in anger. And the inevitable nerf that will befall all elemental-related operators.
@Razor4884
Ай бұрын
Agreed. Even when enemies start getting ele-resistance, there will almost inevitably be some enemies in the future who come with massive amounts of physical and arts damage reduction but who are weak to ele damage. Sure, people can try winning by either using true-damage or debuffing their DEF or RES, but while they're doing that I'm going to be laughing with Nymph/Virtuosa.
@rainzerdesu
Ай бұрын
Her biggest problem is that Logos also does elemental damage and everyone and their mom is rolling on the Logos/Wisadel banner.
@danielkiran8174
Ай бұрын
@@rainzerdesu You don't understand. Logos does simply Necrosis damage, which is like 12k per activation. Nympha deals up to 100k of pretty much True Damage, when someone is hurt by Necrosis.
@kr4547
Ай бұрын
Said this in the last video lol. Her archetype is made to work with Ritualists and I don't see anything wrong in that tbh. If anything, stuff like this is fun. They're going to be slow with it but we'll definitely get more Ritualists for Necrosis in the future. And we even need one for Burn cos poor Warmy has been without purpose since she released and Ifrits mod doesn't apply it enough from what I've seen.
@lupuszero9879
Ай бұрын
In a sense, Virtuosa with necrosis is what Gnosis is with cold/freeze, they are the only unit that applies the debuff passively and you need them to make full use of the units that interact with the debuff. Ofc the main difference is that Gnosis is perma and Virtuosa is limited, but for ppl who have her, getting Nymph would certainly be beneficial.
@bluerendar2194
Ай бұрын
I mean, every other one of the freeze operators is mid at best, iirc even for their rarity, so that's.... Although I'd imagine Nymph is better than *those,* at least
@vanzeralltheway8638
Ай бұрын
Its worst. With freeze, if you unite all those mid operator together they can apply freeze somewhat consistently even without gnosis. With elemental damage, you will just end up killing the enemies faster, wasting the nearly popped off elemental build up altogether, lol.
@ncrnmcn
Ай бұрын
She needs a source of Necrosis for her s3 to pop off Kinda like how Angelina s3 is a god send for all shifters
@aereonexapprentice7205
2 ай бұрын
Now we wait for the Burn counterpart for Warmy * *Huffs one gallon of pure Copium* *
@vanzeralltheway8638
Ай бұрын
*_me, spending 54 single pulls for a sinlge warmy_ "pass me a liter of that, brother"
@ismailabdulq1492
2 ай бұрын
This kind of combo always work best on SSS where enemy def buffed real hard
@prd6617
Ай бұрын
def was not a problem for virtuosa/valarqvin, what really make them struggle on sss are enemy hp on higher danger level since necrosis damage are fixed (iirc 12k damage per burst) but now nymph (including diamante) can make use of it. on side note, both valarqvin S2 and diamante S2 can hit 2 target which work well as a pair although valarqvin skill duration is 15 sec short...
@ioniancuanimalescu
Ай бұрын
The issue is that it's still hard to justify Nymph. For one, you have a 12 second time window for her big damage. Two, it requires her to be used in a combo, and Virtuosa is really the only Operator that can relliably apply Necro. (Logos dosen't really need her since he works fine on his own and valarq is a joke, only useful in IS4.Also, Virtuosa is made of paper- even enemies with their halved attack still destroy her since she only has like 200 defense and 1.6k HP. Also, she's a limited.Ebenholz delta module is a meme.) Still, you need like 36 DP to properly deploy the combo. Then you need to wait for Virtuosa's s3 or s2 (because Virtuosa, while she CAN apply Necro without skills, it takes a very long time- 15-18 seconds for basic mobs, double that for bosses.) Then you're also liable to need healers (as shown in this vid) so your DP cost to deploy this ultra big-boy combo is gonna be in the 50s. That dosen't include blockers btw. So that's 2 slots mandatory, three likely being used, four slots used being the optimal setup. That's...huge. Her 2nd skill CC is cool, but...CC in and of itself is already very competitive with itself. You have module ethan (who is very cheap, he's a four star) who can relliably proc a 3.5 bind on enemies. Ascalon and her slow, Shu and her teleport, Mostima S3, pushers in general, May, summoners, Texalter and YatoR, Horn, Walter, ...or just killing the enemies outright, as super big-boy CC is only needed in Contingency Contracts or especially brutal CMs etc. Basically really hard content. So raising a six star JUST because they offer decent CC and potentially high damage is...eh. And keep in mind. Nymph's damage is so assured NOW only because of the fact that they still haven't added enemies resistant to Elemental damage. It's gonna be way harder to justify actively building your team around her when you'll have enemies that can just resist the initial buildup or the actual fallout. (because yes, like I outlined previously, you need FOUR SLOTS for an optimal setup for her. Three if you have a ground blocker with self-sustain.) Additionally, she only hits two enemies. So she's liable to waste multiple of those viable 12 seconds of big damage on trash mobs that were gonna die to Virtuosa's 12K damage Necro fallout anyway. Before you say "b-but I use Nymph! She's usable to me, that's what I care about!" this is not about you. This is me giving opinions on her overall kit as people are liable to take any operator (even bad ones) and twist them into being the next S tier powerhouse.
@PROtoss987
18 күн бұрын
But there's no ranged true damage to compete with her ranged elemental damage. This whole thing reads like you didn't attempt to kill the drone in CC#2.1, for which Ifrit (33dp) was strong. If you did you'd understand why everything you said was silly.
@velen2531
2 ай бұрын
I mean, yeah. That's the whole point of the archetype right? Big burst damage while the enemy is under elemental burst. While right now Virtuosa is the only good source of that making Nymph very restricted, that won't always be the case.
@deshevardnadze4483
2 ай бұрын
The thing is that Nymph, or the primal caster in general needs ritualist to make them work. They can't do it by themselves when they actually should be
@velen2531
2 ай бұрын
@@deshevardnadze4483 Why should they be able to proc it themselves? Sure, it would make playing her easier, but there's no reason she "has to be" completely self sufficient. I'm pretty sure the whole point of the archetype is to have conditional dps that requires partners to function. I don't see why that's inherently bad outside of the current lack of options being limiting.
@Storn_
2 ай бұрын
@@velen2531 because lack of options is limiting
@velen2531
2 ай бұрын
@@Storn_ Yes, I did mention that. I just don't think that's a problem with the archetype or the operator. Just with the current roster of characters, which will change as the game goes. I was replying to someone who said primal casters as an archetype "should" at a baseline be able to do it by themselves, which I strongly disagree with.
@Dowo2987
Ай бұрын
Agree that primal casters shouldn't be completely self-sufficient, for best results you should need a dedicated applier. Sure people will complain that ohh operator who needs another operator to work best so bad! But I literally don't care What I do find very problematic tho is that the only operator that can really enable Nymph currently is Virtuosa, imagine you see Nymph, like her, and then you realize you won't be having much fun with her S3 if you don't also have Virtuosa. And yes, I expect there to be more options in the future, but how long will you have to wait? Also Virtuosa and Nymph S3 just feel so made for one another that I find it hard to believe we will ever much less soon have an option that is as good. That would basically be a copy or better version of Virtuosa S3, and come on, Virtuosa is a limited 6* unit, do you really believe they are going to make a substitute for her just like that? Just feels unfair and a lot of people are going to get frustrated over this (for good reason) and the whole mechanic which is a shame. They didn't HAVE to make our best necrosis applier for probably a good time still a limited unit, did they?
@astrid7304
2 ай бұрын
She has to have arturia, even then, I wouldn't pull nymph over logos.
@kenquanta6761
2 ай бұрын
You basically HAVE TO pull Logos anyway since he stuck with Wis'adel
@oyaoya5200
2 ай бұрын
who's good between logos and nymph?
@Dowo2987
Ай бұрын
@@oyaoya5200 Depends on if you have Virtuosa really. If you don't have her then you won't get much out of Nymph S3, but you still have S2 (and S1 ig). If you like her that might either be good enough for you or too frustrating to handle. Assuming you do have Virtuosa, well if you are asking "who is the most minmax optimal" then the obvious answer is Logos. He does somewhere between slightly more and slightly less damage on S3 than Nymph, bigger range and faster cycle, really high damage S2 as well and about S1 I don't know. The biggest feature he has over Nymph is that he doesn't need another operator to deal max damage, which is really big if you just want to optimize. Oh and of course he shares a banner with the most broken operator yet which is also a huge plus if you care about that. Otherwise both are really good. Nymphs S2 doesn't do as much damage, but it has a unique gimmick that can enable unique and fun gameplay. Her S3 really melts in combination with Virtuosa S3 and it can potentially work under circumstances other operators (including logos) don't as shown in the video with the 90% DR (which might or might not get nerfed in the future). Logos just does way too much damage on S2 and S3. He also has the unique ability to stop enemy projectiles and (this isn't as unique but still strong) debuff enemy RES by a flat amount. You should decide for yourself which operator you'll enjoy more. Or you just choose Logos since he is way more meta, Nymphs S2 might be unique and very strong but I don't see it having as much meta value as Logos's pure damage. I personally really like the elemental damage mechanic, plus I enjoy Nymph's design and have Virtuosa so I'm going to go for her. Fun fact [spoiler]: IS5 is kind of themed around Nymph in a similiar way that IS4 is around Typhon.
@oyaoya5200
Ай бұрын
@@Dowo2987 so many text lol, appreciate it
@ArcRaven-vh6ro
Ай бұрын
I’m thinking maybe a new 6🌟Ritualist will appear in the future or a delta module for Mostima to apply range passive necrosis from the small connections of Nymph’s keys in her E2 art and Mostima’s Lock and Key staffs 🤷
@galeria_m
2 ай бұрын
Whether you'll pull her or not relies on whether or not you have Virtuosa. When you do, I'd argue she's almost a must-pull. Except we need time to recover our resources, and theres not only a Dungeon Meshi collab soon, but also supposedly a Summer Limited Event that has not been leaked yet (surprisingly theres no leaks) Even if she had her own way of achieving Necrosi burst, I can't really bring myself to like her that much....
@harunammie4898
Ай бұрын
I for one, think that the Dungeon Meshi Collab will be just like the Luo Xiaohei one, just skins then whatever character they decide to throw in as a free op
@danielkiran8174
Ай бұрын
I mean, Logos can also apply Necrosis.
@galeria_m
Ай бұрын
@danielkiran8174 at that point, you're better off using Logos by himself
@galeria_m
Ай бұрын
@harunammie4898 oh, good call
@danielkiran8174
Ай бұрын
@@galeria_m But Logos doesn't ignore RES like Nympha does.
@kurotv3906
Ай бұрын
Here's the thing. It's just like you want to compare eben and eyja which one of em is better and the answer is both are great , what am i going to say is nymph is good solo target IF she got a support that deal elemental damage meanwhile logos is good for big wave but still both of them can do those jobs it only depends on which one you like guys so have fun with your operator 🤗
@daneal7500
Ай бұрын
Well that is now answering my question, why did i spent on Virtuosa
@yumm_6
Ай бұрын
hg knew what they were cooking and never told us
@tdexth
2 ай бұрын
I thought she's just a worse Logos, but i found out she can freezes time. So maybe she's not that bad.
@Shajirr_
Ай бұрын
if you have another source of necrosis damage, Nymph S3 massively outdamages Logos.
@Miguel-ol5mp
Ай бұрын
Now we just have to wait until next year when she hopefully gets a module that gives her actual necrosis damage...
@CrusherKingZ
Ай бұрын
Let's pray for a good module for this archetype, and a not limited but decent to good elemental damage support 🙏 I will pull for her even tho I haven't gotten Virtuosa anyways
@boxlord616
Ай бұрын
this would all be solved if virtuosa wasn't limited
@shiroukazuki6325
Ай бұрын
we need to wait for hg to put necrosis/burn module to primal caster
@vanzeralltheway8638
Ай бұрын
In the end, the ritualist will be used solely to inflict fallout, and the primal caster will only be used in niche clear, rendering the theoretical synergy as an afterthought bonus. Look at what happened to freeze, lol.
@HappyLovesNymph
Ай бұрын
Yeah, primal casters probably will never be able to apply elemental on their own effectively, I hope it stays that way and the module increases the damage dealt on enemies under elemental status or make the elemental status last longer
@danielkiran8174
Ай бұрын
Gee, its almost like using primal casters with ritualists against enemies with high defences is the entire point or something. Its almost like doing a showcase of level 7 was way too hasty, and it was better to wait for M3. Its Quibai case with the fanbase all over again. "Oh no, she doesn't erase the entire map by herself? Then she is a bad operator and I will completely ignore her combinations with other characters". And yes, I understand that not everyone rolled for Virtuosa, however we do have Logos with his Necrosis module. Boss be like: I have 99% damage reduction! Virtuosa and Nympha: We can't seem to find WHO ASKED.
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
Logos is still nowhere near as good as virtuosa at applying necrosis, the lvl 7 wasn’t the issue as I said even back in the other video that the dmg is good the issue is that currently a limited 6 star is the best way to consistently apply necrosis on enemies and no one comes even close to being as good as her, you could pair Logos + valarqvin and they still wouldn’t be as good as a single Virtuosa s3 at applying necrosis
@k_a4685
Ай бұрын
@@Storn_ i think the problem are not " Logos can easily deplet elemntal bar " but the part where he is already a solid caster and can also do elemental damage, which make him more independent than the caster arctype that should have been excelent on that.
@gargutz907
Ай бұрын
And both ritualiats and primal casters are moduleless for now. Id say the stonks will only go up from here with more ritualists releases and modules in the future. Got Virtuosa and looking to pull for Nymph. Yeah its a combo deal but that damage is absolute insanity, Logos is already insane, yeah you need combo to outdo him but thats true dmg for now. Is this some Walter brainrot "but i want solo with op, not synergies"? In AK of all games?
@oosky
2 ай бұрын
Honestly, considering how HG has been releasing operators that deal elemental damage, I feel like they might eventually make stages that requires elemental damage, especially after theyve released a certain amount of elemental damage based operators. Hence she might be future proof to an extent.
@josephtheaurhwjfhsjnx2574
Ай бұрын
Rs-ex-3 was a pain in the ass without elemental damage
@bluerendar2194
Ай бұрын
On the other hand, while ele damage = true damage currently, ele resistance *is* it's own stat; it just hasn't been touched yet, so who knows
@vanzeralltheway8638
Ай бұрын
@@bluerendar2194 Remember the glorious day of lappland, and how HG easily kick her down into trash tier because of a full year of non-silencable enemies (looking at you, exploding shaman). If HG ever release elemental res, the entire Delta Module and Primal caster will be considered nerfed, and Ritualist (excluding virtuosa) will be judged very harshly based on their performance.
@Razor4884
Ай бұрын
@@vanzeralltheway8638 Personally, I don't see it any differently than the existence of DEF and RES. There will be times when physical is better, and times when arts are better, and times when ele is better. Even when ele isn't the end-all true damage it is currently, it will still surely have a place when the situation calls for it. Like, the silence debuff still comes in clutch every once in a while. It's good to have these things available on your toolbelt.
@meenty9056
Ай бұрын
I genuinely don't see the problem with this. Of course you want to have specific team mates to deal high "mostly true" damage. It's actually even more surprising that you only need one for that kind of result.
@emce1624
Ай бұрын
gotta get 3 of them and make domain expansion
@johanesbpermadi2016
Ай бұрын
yep, that's pretty much what it is, if you don't have virtuosa, skipping her might be the best idea. Because in the end of the day, getting the stage clear is the main objective, and if you can do it without stalling, it's even better.
@bobjones4469
Ай бұрын
She's that cute silly demon girl next door.
@Auroraen
2 ай бұрын
ive seen the logos/virtuosa vs nymph/virtuosa comparison on a couple channels now and i want to point out that its kinda unfair in nymphs favor. virtuosa is her best pairing by far, while logos gets diminishing returns on necrosis its like comparing exu/shamare vs eyja/shamare; eyja cant even benefit from shamares def down if we give nymph her best duo, then i think logos should get saria or something. curious if that would put his dps ahead of nymph (different damage types though so moot point tbh)
@Dbzwar1
2 ай бұрын
But… Nymph also benefits from saria? Logos gets his full archetype benefit during S3 while Nymph literally can’t do damage during her S3’s uptime unless necrosis is in effect. They fill 2 different roles al together. Logos can do damage by himself where nymph literally needs a necrosis enabler.
@Auroraen
Ай бұрын
@@Dbzwar1 guess i need to elaborate the goal of a side by side like this is to get a loose idea of how nymphs dps performs against logos' dps. obviously there are other important factors such as range, cycle time, target count etc, but here we're just focusing on damage comparing logos vs nymph alone makes no sense bc nymph is designed to be dependant on a second op, ofc logos' dps will be higher logos vs nymph/virt is also a bad setup because obviously two ops are gonna outdps one logos/virt vs nymph/virt is flawed since virt favors nymph over logos; i could just as well do logos/saria vs nymph/saria and invert the result, so we dont really learn anything from this setup logos/saria vs nymph/virt resolves this, allowing a more practical comparison of their dpses. in a situation where you have two deploy slots to use nymph, you should also have two slots for logos, and you would not pick virt as his second op. id imagine saria is his best pairing, might be aak idk lol i agree with your last point, they literally just serve different roles since logos does primarily arts and nymph does primarily elemental. its like comparing exu vs eyja xd
@Dowo2987
Ай бұрын
eh I don't feel that Logos needs defending really, these comparisons aren't really in Nymphs favor or only slightly so, and that is with Nymphs best pairing. It isn't hard to see that Nymph isn't worth much (if only caring about damage) if she doesn't have Virtuosa while Logos does a lot of damage on his own (on both S2 and S3 mind you), let alone giving him his best pair (and there are A LOT more and more accessible options to pair Logos with very effectively). Also it's not like Logos doesnt benefit from Virtuosa at all so it's not really like exu/shamare vs eyja/shamare (I am assuming that Logos has his module in these videos). I did the maths by the way (assuming E2L90, M3, no pots, full Talent2 stacks on Nymph, ModΔ3 on Logos, enemy has 0 RES): Logos S3 does 2070 dps to 3 targets with additionally 715/1430 expected dps to random targets with/without necrosis burst active. With Saria S3M3 this goes to 3208.5 dps to 3 targets and 1108.25/1823.25 expected dps to random targets. Nymps S3 does 3546 dps to 2 targets (while necrosis burst is active). So, with Saria Logos still does less dps to a single target than Nymph, but the gap has closed. Total dps (considering all targets including Logos' random targeting) is higher even if both get Virtuosa (7640 vs 7092), and if Logos has Saria and Nymph Virtuosa Logos is wayy higher (10733,75 vs 7092). I did expect it to be like that, but I wasn't completely sure either. Of course Logos does fall off with increasing RES, looking at the numbers Logos+Saria falls behind Nymph+Virtuosa at about 44 RES (as Logos reduces targets RES by 10). Which is actually an interesting point since 44 RES isn't that rare amongst elites I believe? I'd still argue that Logos is more convenient to use as he performs very well on his own and more accessible since he doesn't need Virtuosa to perform peak. And Nymph S3 can't be buffed by RES debuffs or arts dmg increase (Reed Alter comes to mind), and even normal fragile won't work on elemental damage so Logos still has a higher ceiling as well. Nymph's biggest advantage is then that elemental damage doesn't have any resistance or dodge or DR currently and can thus bypass a lot of mechanics, but I feel that is a rather niche use already if speaking about meta and nobody knows for how long it'll stay like that.
@danielkiran8174
Ай бұрын
I mean, against enemy with high RES Logos wouldn't get that much out of Saria. The point of this comparison wasn't "Nympha is better than Logos". It was to show that Nympha in combination with Virtuosa has pretty much true damage.
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
Logos deals more damage to enemies under necrosis but hit own necrosis build up is dependent on how much dmg he himself deals, Virtuosa is not only making it easier for him to proc necrosis but her s3 also buffs his attack and you wouldn’t get a lot out of someone like Saria against enemies with dmg reduction and he would never be able to come close to killing the sanguinarch like Nymph did with only 1 support either way
@asiswritten9029
Ай бұрын
A character requiring a limited op is.... kinda wild honestly. No reason to pull her even if I have Virt, just because that forces me to run Virt with her.
@galeria_m
2 ай бұрын
I like Qiubai because she can do just as well by herself, especially with S2. Same for Ulpianus. But I really find it hard when a unit ACTUALLY relies on someone to do anything.... I guess S2 is fine but I was never a Caster-fan and I have to recover my resources after Wisadel so.... sorry kid, better luck next life
@bluerendar2194
Ай бұрын
Her S2 is a fairly niche use case in like CC-esque stuff, so you can just borrow her when you really need it anyways :P
@mrf143
Ай бұрын
I think it's more of Primal Casters problem rather than nymph's S3 problem.
@bluerendar2194
Ай бұрын
Also you should compare with other support since Logos' best partner is usually not Virtuosa That is, it should be Nymph+Virtuosa vs Logos+(best Logos support, probably either Qiubai or Suzuran?) And there should be Logos S2 comparison too vs single-boss, although that probably is too unfair? :P
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
Logos deals extra dmg if they have necrosis applied to them so virtuosa ends up being his best partner for bosses that he struggles at applying it himself like mandragora or sanguinarch and his S2 about averages out against sanguinarch since S3 lasts so long, it would’ve been better against mandragora but it’s because he would be able to kill phase 1 before virtuosa applies necrosis on her which would then make her take an extra necrosis proc on phase 2 but either way the damage wouldn’t come close to nymph
@bluerendar2194
Ай бұрын
@@Storn_ I guess that makes sense since the reason he'd fail to proc necrosis is also when boss is high-RES/arts resist, so the necrosis damage particularly matters
@kholdstare90
Ай бұрын
So, using a primal caster as a primal caster and not a core caster makes them so much better? Absolutely shocking revelation. Especially since people are super happy to bring along Gladiia and pop her in a corner of the map doing absolutely nothing to take Ulpianus from B tier to S tier. If you have used Diamante at all you already know how much damage he can pump out with elemental assistance. Nymph takes Diamante S2 and takes it to the next level. Hell, Eben delta + diamante can pump out a ton of elemental damage.
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
So you mean that you need a 6* and his module + a 5* to be able to proc necrosis and even then that combo doesn’t even come close to how easily virtuosa can do it?
@kholdstare90
Ай бұрын
@@Storn_ The 5* doesn't proc necrosis, that is either the 3x6* + module or 6* limited come into play. The 5 star just gets a big damage boost during fallout. Unfortunately the biggest hurdle remains actually getting enemies into fallout, which Virtuosa or Logos are the Queen and King of getting enemies into that fallout state where primal casters shine. Even now in CN with burn, Warmy can deal a lot of damage but the closest we have is Ifrit delta so Warmy is on her subpar S1. 12k elemental damage then another 60k elemental damage on top of it is still powerful since no enemies have resistance yet, probably because getting enemies into fallout is still rare.
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
@@kholdstare90 yeah that’s the point of the video, you don’t need any dmg amplifier other than nymph the problem is that virtuosa is currently the only reliable way for applying necrosis, even logos is shit at doing against high res/damage reduction enemies
@friedrichhohenzollern6536
Ай бұрын
I've got enough Meta units and I got Virtuosa so 100% pulling for her
@sorashizen5130
Ай бұрын
I was right when I said she must be used with virtousa, you can't call someone mid or bad when you don't use them in the right Way
@cefrinaldi8060
2 ай бұрын
You are not exacly wrong since current meta and metaslave classification of meta operator are 'a unit that doesnt need other unit help for big damage'. Nymph's archaetype whole point was to be paired by ritualist or any ops that can help creating elemental fall out. That itself made every primal mid eventhough they can deal humongus damage. Nymph will always be mid to any player that still chained to meta play.
@velen2531
2 ай бұрын
I never realized that bringing more than one operator wasn't meta.
@Grim-n-play
2 ай бұрын
Ulpianus and Gladiia would like a word
@cefrinaldi8060
2 ай бұрын
@@Grim-n-play tbf ulpianus was good on his own without any need of abyssal buff unlike skadi. And while ulpianus was a good operator i dont think he is meta in the eye of metaslave.
@cefrinaldi8060
2 ай бұрын
@@velen2531 ikr.
@PROtoss987
18 күн бұрын
You are stupid. Suzuran, Ines, Nightingale, Skalter and Shu are meta despite weak DPS (per CN tierlists). Versatility is a good thing to have in an operator. And why tf are you talking about "mid", as if an operator suddenly becomes good if you stop caring about whether or not they are good? An operator is objectively bad or good depending on the stages it can clear, regardless of your feelings. And of course projection, as if using good operators means you are chained to them. Ironically you are chained to your contrarian nonsense, whereas others are free to explore to their heart's desire, even if you don't like the conclusions reached.
@Kexaru
Ай бұрын
Seeing some operator burst through those bosses damage reduction feels wrong
@HappyLovesNymph
Ай бұрын
Elemental era my guy
@Zeitzbach
Ай бұрын
The biggest reason for the controversy imo, even if they are to give the players a replacement to Virtuosa in the future, is still the fact that the class is dependent, not synergize, with the Ritualist. If they let her S3 do at least a half or 1/3rd of the damage you can do with a Ritualist by your side, people will be a lot warmer toward Nymph, giving her a potential to at least do some DPS without Virtuosa but nowhere near as good as other caster branch but suddenly better when you use a proper combo. This make it a rewarding case of Synergy, not dependency. Doing only 1/10th of the damage however just make it too blatant and it's why people feel really bad for the entire branch. You aren't being rewarded for using Nymph with Virtuosa, you are forced.
@lloleolom
2 ай бұрын
And that's why S2 is her main skill, until more ritualists with passive necrosis imposition appear ( I'm sure they *will* appear )
@bluerendar2194
Ай бұрын
Don't hold your breath since burn also exists, I'd bet the next ritualist is burn, and different ele damage have anti-synergy
@lloleolom
Ай бұрын
@@bluerendar2194 Haha, we'll just have to wait and see.😋
@putrairhamni8883
Ай бұрын
Broken but need support, pfttt
@BlankNoire
2 ай бұрын
logos already has module, right? is nymph module will be mid or really make her top tier with virtuosa
@bluerendar2194
Ай бұрын
Who knooooows We've seen all the combinations already, with mid ops getting elevated by great mods (e.g. Mostima, Qiubai, Thorns in modern-day), mid ops getting nothing useful (e.g. pretty much every non-flag, non-agent vanguard), good ops getting great mods, etc. and everything in-between :P
@liviaocean2619
Ай бұрын
she needs virtuosa!!
@Naiver327
Ай бұрын
she only shines when there is Virtuosa near her. But to be honest, i'll take her over Ceobe due to her ability to attack two enemies at once.
@k_a4685
Ай бұрын
nah it's still funny how an module almost obsoleted her entire sub class as that think make other caster more independent than the actual caster that should be masterying the elemntal damage.
@Ripperdingo69
2 ай бұрын
Well im guessing that she will maybe amplify the diferent types of elemental damages there will be in the future so she is not that great right now since theres no more elemental operators for now
@kitsuneprincess4637
Ай бұрын
Okay but what about Nymph AND Logos? Best of both worlds or worst of both?
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
Logos is still not that great at applying necrosis if the enemy has high RES and/or high damage reduction so using both puts you in a weird spot where if he can proc necrosis easily on them then he could most likely just solo it himself but if he isn’t strong enough to solo it himself that means he will have a harder time inflicting necrosis and in either case virtuosa is still objectively better
@kuuryusi
2 ай бұрын
Finally my pot4 virtuosa have a partner
@anastil
Ай бұрын
Arturia s3 and Nymph s3 look meant for each other but is there any showcase that pairs arturia s2 with nymph any skill? I wonder how that works out 🤔(Arturia s2 makes an operator with higest attack in her range proc necrosis too plus arturia keeps attacking during skill dealing dmg to 2 targets and having huge aspd buff unlike with two other skills where she either dosnt attack off-skill or stops attacking on-skill) just a thought maybe that could be a way for more targeted necrosis shred ... sadly cant test it myself
@HumbleNearlKnight
Ай бұрын
An Op need other Op to be good? That's... unheard of! It's almost like Arknights had some type of SQUAD building, right? Maybe eve 12 spots in the supposed squad?
@zackunai5178
Ай бұрын
Its Similars to the way for Qiubai Qiubai without Cunny is also mid for RNG Qiubai + Cunny is a Good combo Like Arturia + Nymph
@HappyLovesNymph
Ай бұрын
Primal Casters are *meant* to be used with Ritualist to inflict A LOT more damage, unlike Logos who has a lot of self sustain and doesn't truly benefit from a Ritualist partner
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
Logos deals extra dmg to enemies with necrosis but he struggles to apply it to enemies if they have high RES/damage reduction so he does have a synergy there
@HappyLovesNymph
Ай бұрын
@@Storn_ ohh ok I kind of got REALLY confused by Logos' kit... but you get the it too right? While he does benefit from necrosis, it wasn't his main purpose.. if it really was he would have been a Primal Caster
@HappyLovesNymph
Ай бұрын
Just like Ebenholz with the Delta Mod, the necrosis is kinda a side thingy rather than maim focus, which is why Nypmh surpasses them when it comes do dealing damage during necrosis
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
@@HappyLovesNymph well, you can see in the video itself that when the boss is under necrosis then his dmg skyrockets so it’s honestly quite a big part of his kit
@alzavuefantasm8820
2 ай бұрын
I have a P3 Virtuosa on my sub acc and P2 at my main so it's still good
@darkomega6597
2 ай бұрын
Logos S3 can apply necrosis pretty quickly right? then it just means Nymp is Logos's wife, they're meant for each other's, live happily ever after ahahaha
@arks_knights
2 ай бұрын
mudrock: yandere mode on
@LeinRa-Reaction
2 ай бұрын
I don't want to imagine the kind of lust-devourer child a banshee and succubus would convey
@broadbandislife
2 ай бұрын
@@LeinRa-Reaction She Djall tho
@whereismycup
Ай бұрын
@@broadbandislifeDjall might as well be succubus
@bellart_ramana
Ай бұрын
nymph is virtuosa’s wife. lesbihonest here
@thegoldexperience8340
2 ай бұрын
Yeah 4.5 anniv characters one of the characters of all time lmao, can even justify not pulling for the chinese limited one kek
@Man-of-segs
Ай бұрын
getting her for s2 because i hate is4 ed2 boss so much
@Gorden121
Ай бұрын
Are we casually forgetting that Logos you just showed can also help apply Necrosis and on top of that Eben Mod3 and Diamante can also help? We already have more ops that can help to apply Necrosis if you don't have Virtuosa. And sure you need more slots then, but what are those 12 slots for when you're not using them?
@bluerendar2194
Ай бұрын
Neither Eben nor Logos does a significant amount of necrosis, especially vs high-RES, which is when Nymph is particularly useful over other arts options. Even when they finally proc necrosis, she loses nearly half of her total skill damage if you can't quickly consecutively proc necrosis. The better combo for Logos is Suzu+Qiubai anyways, and *then* maybe Nymph is the best fourth to add to that, although Saria S3 is probably still better in most cases. Dia's, LOL So yeah, Vir is pretty much non-optional if you want to make use of her S3, and I doubt we'll see another necrosis ritualist anytime soon. Still, Vir+Nymph is probably being underrated though as it's the most massive amount of effectively-true damage we have to date. It's not like it's "ugh we're bringing Virtuosa?" as she's pretty good on her own. Some ops need specific combos to be good, it just means they're really good in a niche which is just fine if the niche isn't super narrow.
@Gorden121
Ай бұрын
@@bluerendar2194 I don't have a problem with having to use Virtuosa, I just wanted to point out other options already exist. Ofc they are obviously not as good as her, since they are not specifically designed to it, while she is. Other than that I think Nymph is really good. I like her kit. And if the cost is using, as you already said, an already really good limited OP then I don't see a problem.
@bluerendar2194
Ай бұрын
@@Gorden121 I mean, the 'other options' don't really exist if they don't actually pair all that effectively :P Same reason why it's specifically Vir and Val isn't a real substitute
@Shadow6OO
Ай бұрын
Just curious, how does Logos's S2 with Virtuosa compare to Nymph S3 with Virtuosa? Isn't Logos'd S2 more of a boss-killing skill than the S3?
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
I tested it against mandragora and the sanguinarch and on bot cases it's still not as good as Nymph S3
@salesberuang4448
2 ай бұрын
All enemies in story are too weak for new operators, even super tanky defender enemies in chapter 14 is still weak because it only have 12k HP (Necrosis will melt them in one fallout). We need CC stages to prove Nymph's true power. Oh, i wrong... There's no enemies too weak. Just the operators are too stong. 🗿🗿
@vanzeralltheway8638
Ай бұрын
We do get incredibly strong enemies once in a while. The elites in DOS, that one metal guy from lone trail, the last CC flying tower and invisible buggy.... But yeah, excluding those anomaly, the problem is that most stages are designed with 4star only clear in mind so Nymph's full S3 damage will almost always be overkill. Lets wait how she fares in the next CC.
@PROtoss987
18 күн бұрын
@@vanzeralltheway8638 The Mudrock Colossi on a map with no gramophones also fit the bill, I'm struggling to clear the raid on the Sand event where you have to deal with 5 of them spaced out in different lanes and waves, it might not even be possible on my roster
@Irimu_
13 күн бұрын
Aka limited is the worst
@yesno1085
2 ай бұрын
I’m sorry bro but this isn’t even that hard to see Just read her s3 description idk if you seriously thought s3 just targets 2 enemies and nothing else
@dannybangun5448
Ай бұрын
Does adding diamante with his necro burts can do more dmg?
@D1-Hater
Ай бұрын
design enjoyers still skipping
@D1-Hater
Ай бұрын
might be one of the most bland-looking ops in a while. straight out of midjourney.
@bimchik
Ай бұрын
So deploy Ebeholz with mod ∆
@dangng7079
2 ай бұрын
hmm can i ask why do you pair logos with virtuosa , virtuosa make logos worse because he can proc on his own , would something that buff aspd , res reduce or damage amp work better on logos ?
@gargutz907
Ай бұрын
Logos applies at a snail pace compared to Virtuosa and Delta modules for both Logos and Eben make them deal bonus elemental dmg on targets under fallout, like Nymph basically.
@dangng7079
Ай бұрын
@@gargutz907 ok hmm that make sense but still v:
@pavluck127
Ай бұрын
Sucks that gacha games don't make kit changes to already existing characters
@progrockkeyboardist
Ай бұрын
"But the main issue still stands, which is that you kinda need Virtuosa" How on Terra is that supposed to be an issue?
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
@@progrockkeyboardist you need a limited 6 star for her s3 to work and no other operator can even come close to replacing her
@hlurpplurp9263
Ай бұрын
its an issue because walter exists and trashes both of them for 1 less deploy slot and less DP cost, and doesn't have any awkward cycling to sync them together. nymph is S2 operator until we see the modules
@billlee3851
2 ай бұрын
Could you try using her with Valarqvin? After all she's a free ritualist that most oldie players will have access too. Virtuosa is limited so onky a small number of players can even obtain her
@lenoon3814
2 ай бұрын
This was addressed at 2:32
@broadbandislife
Ай бұрын
Is this a "tell me you didn't actually watch the vid without telling me..." moment or?
@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3
2 ай бұрын
Yep, she requires a limited unit for her S3 to function. Lovely design lmao. Yes, she can dish out a ton of damage to enemies under necrosis effect, but my god is it stupid she can't inflict it herself with her S3 and requires a limited unit to work properly.
@rachel6301
2 ай бұрын
Which will no longer be the case in the future when more ritualist ops come out
@velen2531
2 ай бұрын
Think about the future of the game. Eventually both more primal casters and ritualists will come out. Once that's the case, it's a perfectly fine mechanic to have them complement each other like that. So if she could do it by herself just because she doesn't have a lot of options right now, it would make the entire archetype pointless in the future.
@farellaksmann8659
Ай бұрын
HG making another 6★ ritualists that deals necro would be so shitty tho. Like imagine making a limited 6★ ritualist cause it's a special archetype or whatever and then immediately get powercrept by a standard 6★ ritualist necro
@longluu1141
2 ай бұрын
Stop clickbait titles
@Storn_
Ай бұрын
No.
@dedcet634
2 ай бұрын
primal caster *6 being absolute dogshit because you must pair her with ritualist and the only goof ritualist is just arthuria+ak gacha rate is bad too with how it's hard to save pulls this won't happen if her s3 can deal necro people who says that's bad thing because it'll break the game should also ask dev to remove degen,typhon,chalter,walter,mlynar,and logos and i'm 100% sure they can't even fix her with module,like how they always did
@kenquanta6761
2 ай бұрын
HG have enough complain about those broken arse unit already that's why they make Nymph depend on Virtuosa. Can't please everyone
@tronco.3935
2 ай бұрын
The game is already broke, is a fking bad thing evidently However, you could simply use support Virtuosa. Nymph is pretty fked up when she's attacking elemental burst enemies, she can deal around 100k elemental damage, that's way too much, it's literally 100k true damage with how none of the enemies has any defense agaisnt it I don't understand this. Are you mad that HG released a "balanced" operator?
@deshevardnadze4483
2 ай бұрын
Or at least make Nymph S3 can inflict Necrosis damage, that'd at least makes her more viable than depending on a limited operator (Virtuosa is more effective than Valarqvin). As the archetype itself say, "Can inflict Necrosis damage" all of her skills should be able to do that
@aseldesu
2 ай бұрын
ak is one of the more generous gachas out there wtf are you on
@Hoshiyomi-w-
2 ай бұрын
@@tronco.3935 a balance OP in my book is an OP that can hold up on their own, not an OP that can't barely even work without another OP (and that OP being a limited nevertgeless). I am not talking about units that need support (ex : Qiubai), Nymph s3 just go straght into the trash can if you dont have Arturia Yes 100k true dmg seem like a lot, but with the OPs we have in the pass 6 months, it not funny to see an OP that have one skill and/or 2 talents locked behind another OP. Lets just hope HG won't add Element Res in the near future, or else Mynth won't have that true dmg anymore
@locthiennguyen
Ай бұрын
If she got an afk skill, i might consider it, but she doesn't, so nope
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