Pyrrha was my favorite character and it's sad that she's gone. To be honest, she didn't have a choice because someone as selfless and compassionate as her would always accept an opportunity to save the world. It still doesn't make her death any less painful. RIP PYRRHA NIKOS 2016
@weirdtree8611
5 жыл бұрын
So true and she was used bc of her beliefs. Ozpin got her as an easy pick bc of her beliefs. If he picked someone else like maybe Yang, then it will truly be choice bc for example Yang would have a choice of saving the people or find her mom but still this wasn't a choice. It was an ultimatum. Ozpin sucks!
@pilbybobbins
5 жыл бұрын
Weird Tree - I don’t think that’s true that Pyrrha was forced into making a choice. What did you want Ozpin to do? Lie about how her choice would affect thousands of lives? What he was saying was truth-Withholding it wouldn’t be effective since it’s true that he does have a motive. But if he really didn’t want her to have a choice he could’ve just shoved her into the machine anyways despite whatever choice she wanted to make. He had two other huntsman at his side. He let her know what was at stake. In fact, I bet that if she had decided not to do it and later found out the misery that came from it, she would’ve regretted her choice. Her character formed her choice. Ozpin had no say in her character development. She was who she was and made her decision because of it. I believe that a person always has a choice. They might not like their choices. Their choices might not favor them, but they always have a choice. Pyrrha was selfless, but she still could’ve chosen self-preservation. Just because Ozpin wanted her to sacrifice herself and it happened doesn’t mean he manipulated her into doing it. I would say it’s more likely that he was trying to persuade her into doing it. But even then, it wasn’t like he was listing several reasons why she should. Didn’t he remind her that she didn’t have to?
@Raganui
5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I don't think any one without being as 'selfless and compassionate' would have been able to choose themselves. The stances they were in, the words used, it was all a manipulation of anyone to push to the desired goal. And I can tell you, there definitely looked to be a bit of an implied threat beyond just what was said. To me it looked like they were in the 'if you don't agree, we're going to hurt you' type of formation.
@jeremyjones9467
4 жыл бұрын
The only reason they had priya died was for Rwby and it was a bad choice
@axl7061lxa
4 жыл бұрын
Same, even if I always watch it and cry, she was the best....
@SuperSonicBlur
6 жыл бұрын
Bare in mind that the tournament ended EARLY due to Cinder's plan so this choice she made was rushed and pushed further ahead. Also when Ozpin said "I need to hear you say it" pushed this idea of Ozpin trying to push himself to justify the idea of a choice
@zacharyboehme5559
6 жыл бұрын
I believe only one character has a choice ... Ruby Rose. And I don't mean just because she is the "main character" but because she seems to hold some unknown power. Ozpin seems almost afraid of the power that Ruby holds with her silver eyes, pursuing her to be on his side even to the point of having her enter his academy 2 years early. (Talk about child soldiers). He then made her the leader of a team and seems to treat her specially.
@VIRJALEN
6 жыл бұрын
Boomie Boehme It could be that, just like the maiden powers, ozpins magic makes him vulnerable to the silver eyes. It would also explain why ozpin gave team STRQ the same kind of special treatment, with summer being on the team and all.
@TheFireflyGrove
6 жыл бұрын
mind you Summer wasnt just on the team, remember the way teams are set up the leader of the team has the first letter of their name start the teams name, (Rwby) Ruby Rose, (Jnpr) Jaune arc, (Strq) Summer Rose. The only other person we've been somewhat introduced to with silver eyes, was also the team leader of her team, wonder why ozpin needs the silver eyes so much.
@BladeOfSteel-Sword_Saint
6 жыл бұрын
JemStoneNetworkProductions But why Jaune? What was so special about him Ozpin blindly allowed him into the school, knowing he had fake transcripts! He didn't have that powerful semblance at the time so it wasn't that. What!?
@TheFireflyGrove
6 жыл бұрын
Well, that's not true exactly, Jaune has always had it, he simply wasn't able to access it, and the stress and traumatic experience of him believing he would lose Weiss the same way he lost Pyrrha finally caused it to come out, why he chose Jaune? not sure. It could be that while he is the weakest fighting wise, he has proven he can be a very good leader push comes to shove, it could also be because Jaune is the weakest of them he chose him, to be leader you have no choice but to become stronger, they talk about that a bit in season two? where they remind him that he's their leader and he can't give up. Ozpin has done everything for a reason, he had to know Jaune didn't belong there, so there's something about him Ozpin felt was worth having at the school, for all we know Ozpin could be the reason Jaune was able to "get his hands on" the fake docs in the first place, doesnt seem like a thing that happens often at Beacon. That's what I feel though, I truly believe that none of the teams ended up together by chance, Ozpin planned it all, look at the simularies between team STRQ and team RWBY, he was remaking team STRQ the best that he could, who knows what he had planned orginaly for team JNPR before Beacon fell.
@frnt2526
6 жыл бұрын
Boomie Boehme then he'll probably sent her off a mission, and make her ded like sum sum
@KingOpenReview
5 жыл бұрын
What I wanna know is why we're so reliant first years. Where the hell are the graduates?
@tankster99
3 жыл бұрын
Of the three examples only Hansel had a real choice. Phyrra was lose lose, and Oscar will eventually merge with Ozpin who would leave the farm once that happened
@Atlessa
6 жыл бұрын
And people wonder why I was so emotional in the last few days...
@IKG2214
6 жыл бұрын
Just to point that out(maybe someone already did)...but Pyrrah had a choice to become the FALL maiden...not Spring.
@IKG2214
6 жыл бұрын
Charles Hockenbury 0:10...i was pointing at the mistake that was made in the video..He said Spring instead of falll
@secret3811
6 жыл бұрын
Pyrrah was best character in that season. She had the most developed character insight. Now ruby still acts the same, Oscar is weird and a crybaby, Cinder worst villian, Lionheart who?, My boy Jaune is still a sad boy ;~;, Qrow is a drunk but why does he drink, Penny is a death THAT STILL I MISS.
@svgo6997
6 жыл бұрын
Love your Theories.
@nicholasshealy9040
6 жыл бұрын
Lunar Rose, more trust worthy than Salem
@andrewgifford1007
6 жыл бұрын
but is he more trust worthy
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
andrew gifford. Yes.
@alexandram2486
6 жыл бұрын
Was there a choice for Oscar? Not really; Ozpin is a part of him now, and considering his last body, where is no sign of another consicence, Ozpin is going to take over Oscar's body at some point. This was also forshadowed at the beginning of he show: "It's a bout a man with two souls, each of them fighting for control".
@Moontrail
6 жыл бұрын
Talking about "choise", its interesting you left out Raven and Crow's "choice" to be given the ability to turn to birds... if it was Ravens choice, why would she be so against it now, was it like Ozpin's huntsmen, where they were given part of the information when given the option, only to discover, later on, that there was more to it?
@bencunningham6195
6 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem for answering this question is that we haven't defined or unpacked the question and what it truly means. Ultimately we are asking if Pyrrha, along with others, had free will. But this runs into one of the classic philosophical epistemological questions of 'What is free will and does it exist?' In order to even begin answering if Pyrrha had a free choice we have to define what free will we are speaking of. Commonly, free will is thought of as being in two stages. Stage one being the freedom to choose what you want. This is the run of the mill free will that we are often speaking of when talking about choice. The counter to this being free will is as follows: imagine a room that contained everything you could possibly want, you have no reason to leave so you never try, but the door to the room is locked from the outside -- you couldn't leave if you wanted to. Inside of this room do you have free will to remain? With the first stage of free will yes, you don't want to leave and you have no reason to leave so you are making the choice you want. Stage two free will says no. This level requires the ability to do otherwise: for any choice you must be free to do something else. This level is much harder to 'prove' in a philosophical sense but in stories can be reasonably argued to exist. So with this understanding of free will did Pyrrha have a choice? Let's start with the rarer stage two free will. Could Pyrrha refused to be the fall maiden or in some other way not take on Amber's soul: yes. While doing so would potentially doom humanity she could of refused, she could of left Beacon, or any other option open to her. Yes this would of been OoC but she could and that's the important part here. Now as for stage one free will like you said given the choice to save others Pyrrha always would so she would have free will be this metric as well. While yes Pyrrha was given a situation where her choice could be predicted with a high degree of confidence that doesn't mean that she did not have free will. With free will comes freedom of choice so yes there was a choice but there wasn't a question on what that choice would be. The signing on to Oz's secret war would make a more interesting discussion on free will but this is long enough just looking at Pyrrha.
@aniuq_
6 жыл бұрын
i miss Pyrrha
@TheJaredPunch
6 жыл бұрын
Snurly I know dude, I know
@samiam389
6 жыл бұрын
Who doesn't
@TheJaredPunch
6 жыл бұрын
SumDaGum anyone who thinks that Pyrrha is a Mary Sue. Stupid jerks
@multivversecomplex7917
6 жыл бұрын
yes there is a choice. when you join the military you are not told who your enemy is or what you may have to do to defeat them, and it it is simply expected that you know that you will die wile surving. you are actual not expected to come home, other than in a bag...if at all. the same goes for the huntsman. they chose to become huntsman there by choosing to die. the choice is simply made from the first day they join the academy. also an ultimatum is still in essence a choice. it is simply saying choose between the lesser of to evils. so yes Pyrrha did make a choice. even if it was the thing she was going to go with all along it is still a choice.
@giancarlobarbieri7685
4 жыл бұрын
It’s really sad to see the fandom is almost don’t talking about this kind of topic in show and they rather to talk only about shipping
@Hollowman159
6 жыл бұрын
I feel that whenever Ozpin makes himself a direct person putting forth the “choice” that yes there is no real choice for the people he’s putting it in front of, most of the time, let’s not forget raven and qrow made a choice to be able to turn into birds but while Ozpin wanted people to gather information raven used that choice for herself alone. And going to the huntsman academy students I believe that yes each of them was given a fair choice in this no one was forcing them to make this choice and as we see from all the citizens not everyone chooses that lifestyle. Jaune choose the life of a huntsman, sure his ancestors have been but he didn’t have to hell his parents even said it would be okay if he failed. They knew that he wasn’t the most skilled fighter but and didn’t force him to go or quit beacon. No they left the decision up to him on how he wanted his life to go forward.
@snoozalssmetz3
5 жыл бұрын
Hazel and Gretchin (spelt it wrong...didn't I?) Are Hansel and Gretel....I am positive!
@gavin_1973
3 жыл бұрын
Now that I think about it, the God of Light gave a similar kind of choice to Ozma/Ozpin compared to the choice Ozpin gave to Pyrrha. Ozma cared a lot for Salem at the time so why would he abandon her? No reason at all other than rest, so his hand was very nearly forced into the deal with the God of Light. If you think that Pyrrha had no choice in Volume 3, then Ozma had no choice with the God of Light.
@redkujaku8817
5 жыл бұрын
Funny how Ozpin made the choice relic extremely hard to get
@emmaray6215
4 жыл бұрын
Basically, Pyrrha would’ve just become Ambers new body if she became a maiden through that method. Her spirit would’ve died to give her body to somebody else😔
@jdawgtran3737
6 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace Pyrrha, we’ll miss you.
@Genji-Agito
6 жыл бұрын
You know crow talks to jaune about pyrrah's choice, no that wasn't a choice it was an ultimatum.
@maevehastings5988
6 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with the "child soldiers" thing because beacon is essentially like a college. The kids who go there arent regular teens. Theyre real adults at that point, save for ruby, since she was accepted early. At this point in the story im pretty sure that blake, yang, and weiss are nearing their 20s with ruby a couple years behind. Ruby would technically be the only true child soldier in the old huntsman academies.
@cincin6604
6 жыл бұрын
I finally understood why Raven did what she did and after watching this video. If I do ever have a choice, I'd choose Raven's side.
@bloomwinx4966
6 жыл бұрын
heres the thing ... they all had a "Choice even pyraa however jus t because you have a a "choice" doesnt mean you have a good "choice" you can literaly have 5 bad choices and its still a choice and actrually she had 3 choices fuse, dont fuse or run and fight without her power if they didnt have a choice there wouldnt be stores,teachers,pillots or captains ... just because something is normalize doesnt mean you dont have choices take rl for example the normal thing now is turn 18 join the military etc a nd get free college from it but you still have a choice because the 3 of them could have easily killed the one that stole the maiden powers... just like it took 3 of them to steal it from amber
@maxwellmediainc
6 жыл бұрын
Pyrah chose to become the fall maiden but okay ...okay
@kameronatkins4170
6 жыл бұрын
Only because she couldn’t say no She was kinda trapped
@maxwellmediainc
6 жыл бұрын
Kameronia 6 I was saying that cause at the start he said ol pyrah had a choice to become the spring maiden but she was presented with the fall maiden powers not spring lol
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
She is dead. ACCEPT it!!!
@EngineScypex
6 жыл бұрын
But she's not dead, because of the choice to take the power of the fall maiden, instead of her choice to fight Cinder. That much about she didn't had a choice, she had even two times a choice ^^
@GooninRaccoonin
6 жыл бұрын
A marine once asked me if I was a victim of choice or circumstances
@user-lb6ml8or4r
6 жыл бұрын
No before even watching the vid no
@DarkFlamesDarkness
5 жыл бұрын
I just want to mention, listening to anything a megalomaniac hurling herself on a path leading straight to death once she is no longer useful, might not be the best choice. Also, Salem is everyone's problem. She basically an earthquake. It might only hit one area, but it affects everyone in the end. I mean she's trying to wipe out humanity. There is little else that is literally everyone's problem.
@8umber
5 жыл бұрын
In terms of Ruby I feel like there was not a choice simply because of the type of people Salem attracted. If any of them besides Cinder who I am on the fence about got ahold of the maiden powers they would most likely kill a lot of innocent people. We saw in the flash back during episode 3 volume six that Salem had no problem using people herself it just comes down to why. I'm not going to completely defend ozpin here but I will say that he does understand humans more than most considering the fact that if a lot of people knew about salem and that she is most likely immortal they would lose hope in the world and become over run with Grimm.
@CryoJnik
6 жыл бұрын
Overall, yes there's always a choice. One chooses to be a huntsman. But with pyrrha...Look i like ozpin and all but she was pressured into becoming a maiden and as much hate as Jaune gets he was right in calling out Qrow
@DMDemon
6 жыл бұрын
I can agree on Pyrrah's & Oscar's cases not being a choice, since they were deeply restricted by their particular situation (end of the world/a voice in the head). But we still don't know for sure why Salem wants to destroy humanity, or if this is indeed Ozpin's fault. As he said before, revealing such an enemy all of a sudden would just cause mass panic, and all he could do until now was to prepare humans to defend themselves, not against the Grimm, but against Salem (although he won't have much of a choice on Volume 6). And so, he chose a person of trust in each country to be aware of her movements without everybody noticing (We all know how that went with Leo). I'm not saying Ozpin is not this shady, manipulative character (as he has proven to be), but choice isn't just an illusion in the world of Remnant. "It's not destiny, it would be a great mistake to think so. Every choice is ours and ours alone".
@X9Killbot
3 жыл бұрын
And if Gretchen wasn't a huntsman she would have been a soldier fighting against grimm anyways. The grimm are a threat and there will always be a need for fighters. So if it is not huntsman it is a militia, army, or civillians.
@robinsondonazal9683
6 жыл бұрын
Well yes, it's a choice, they just manipulated the situation in their favor. Pyrhha did make a choice, cause we all watched it but the circumstance was fucked, and they all took advantage of her personality. But now cinder ate shit even with her fall maiden powers so all is kind of okay, sucks that pyrhha died 😔
@Lin2Waterfall
6 жыл бұрын
Yes there is a choice. Choices aren't always great and some are downright shit, but there is still choice. You can chose to be part of the light that stands against the darkness, or you can chose to join that darkness for whatever reason, you can even chose to be a civilian and try and live in a world where there are monsters out in the world waiting to lay waste to you and everything you know and love. Ruby and her friends, each for their own reasons, chose to become Huntsmen. They chose to be the light for one reason or another. For adventure (Yang, for atonement (Blake, to stand on ones own (Weiss), to be a Hero (Ruby). Cinder and the others chose to side with Salem for their own reasons as well. Revenge (Hazel), power (Cinder), repay a life saving debt (emerald). And you also have those that chose not only to not take either side, but to also remove themselves from normal society (Branwen Tribe). Raven, with Qrow, attended Beacon to learn how to kill Huntsmen for the sake of her Tribe. At Beacon she had a team, friends, and later a husband and child on top of getting a new power and world shaking knowledge. What did she do? She chose to run and hide from the conflict, and Ozpin does not seem to hold it against her. He didn't even seem upset that Raven told Yang and Weiss secrets, heck he even seemed a little bemused by it. Just because the people at large don't have the full picture doesn't mean they don't have choices. Ozpin made the Huntsmen academies to give humanity the choice and ability to better defend themselves. Sure humanity had survived a long time before the academies, but it was barely. Fights between humans and faunus, conflicts over territory, all that self destructive stuff humanity does more or less stopped humanity from advancing further. The King of Vale in that World of Remnant video on the Great War, according to Qrow, tried everything he could to avoid armed conflict. That kinda sounds like how Ozpin behaved when Ironwood had his forces marching around during the Vytal Festival. He did not want that kind of stuff there because he knew what it could do to people's piece of mind. Each Kingdom even has a council that stands either on equal grounds with the local academy headmaster or even over it seeing as how the Vale council voted over Ozpin and let Ironwood do his thing. Ozpin, despite being the man behind the curtain, has mostly left basic control of the world to the people and by the way the King of Vale distributed and ordered things be done after the war it was all to give humanity a way to come together, stand together, and continually have the means to do so. As for dealing with Salem there hasn't really been a way to deal the finishing blow as far as we know. When he was the Old Hermit he had been living in seclusion for lord knows how long, probably having chosen to run and hide from his past. Then the 4 Sisters showed up, showed him immense kindness, and his hope was rekindled. He in turn granted them a hefty chunk of his magical power in the hopes they could and would use it to further help people as they had helped him. He did not take into account for the danger humanity itself would pose to them. Some unknown time later he would, as far as we know, become a King in the Kingdom of Vale. He tried to keep things peaceful, then Mistral arrived and fights broke out and soon Mantel was there, too. He still did not wish for there to be any conflict, but the war began anyway. Soon Vacuo joined in as well and the fights continued. Eventually Mistral and Mantel tried to march on Vacuo and take it over. The King, finally having had enough it seems lead his and Vacuo troops himself and laid waste. He might of even had a Maiden or 2 present during the fight if the lines about "Abnormal Weather" are anything to go on. He also might of had Relics, like his Sword could of been the Relic of Destruction. Either way in the end all bowed to him. He could of take this chance to unite everyone under one rule and he surely had the power and means to do so, but if this King was indeed The Wizard then he probably knew he would be like Salem and would be ruling over the people with fear of his grand power. So, instead, he chose to reset the territories, grant equal rights to Faunus (had to agree to their island, too) and also founded the Academies to help unite and train the people to better protect themselves and each other. Lastly he would secretly hide each relic under the academies to keep them safe from the villains and civilians. While you don't trust Ozpin, I do, and by his own admission his power is dwindling. Meaning that each gifting of power and each reincarnation has been him losing a bit of himself along the way. This means that even if Oscar and Oscar's body become a top tier combat body he still might not have enough to take out Salem himself. So take Ozpin slowly getting weaker on top of trying to make sure humanity can handle itself when all is said and done he hasn't exactly had the means at any point in history to take her on.
@Trey-dp6tl
5 жыл бұрын
Or Pyrrha says “no” and Ozpin asks someone else
@coffee7644
6 жыл бұрын
My bio on the xbox 360 is about the illusion of choice. Cool, huh?
@AnimezingPersonAP
6 жыл бұрын
I think of Raven as the perfect example of this. At first, she and Qrow went to the Academy to kill Huntsmen. During the Academy, she agreed to help Ozpin with a war she knew nothing about. When she did know, she backed off and returned to her tribe. She did not know what she was getting herself into.
@EngineScypex
6 жыл бұрын
Two things I want to comment: 1) How much can you complain about 'being used' by Oz, when you agree to help him fully aware that you're planning to betray him? 2) As far as I remember, he told them beforehand about what their mission would be, so he basically told them about Salem. Raven just decided for herself later, that Salem's not defeatable.
@AnimezingPersonAP
6 жыл бұрын
1) When Raven spoke to Yang and Weiss, she said, and I quote, "I needed to know more, but with every new discovery I made, the more horrifying the world became." 2) And in the discussion between Raven and Cinder, Watts, Mercury, and Emerald, she mentions that she did not want anything to do with the war between Ozpin and Salem. These two points imply that Raven must've found out something that made her no longer interested to join Ozpin, meaning that it is probable that Ozpin has more information that he is hiding.
@EngineScypex
6 жыл бұрын
She was not interested in joining Oz in the first place, that's the reason why she don't want to get involved in the conflict between Oz and Salem and also why she betrayed Oz in the end. I mean: for her, only her tribe was important. Even if the rest of the world is dying, her problem with that would be, that her tribe can't steal their stuff anymore. But she overlooks, that in terms of Salem you're either directly on her side or her enemy. I think it wasn't shown, what exactly Oz told Crow and Raven, but I'm sure that it was mentioned, that they told them about their mission - named stalking Salem - beforehand. Maybe he hasn't told them about his reincatnation, about the relics and about the maidens. But in terms of Raven we have the best example why not to tell everyone, especially about the relics and maidens.
@AnimezingPersonAP
6 жыл бұрын
It still wasn't the full truth, making her at least somewhat unaware of the choice she made.
@EngineScypex
6 жыл бұрын
Having the choice doesn't have anything to do with your knowlege. Basically RWBY is an exception as a story, that even someone know the truth about the 'final boss'. In real life I have choices every single day. Does that mean, that I know everything about it? No.
@ezekielleveriza4071
6 жыл бұрын
I see rwby as Harry Potter and Ozpin is Dumbledore... he manipulates you but he means the best... and he’s a little insane...
@thatoneflowergirl9776
6 жыл бұрын
I see where you're coming from, but Gretchen still did have a choice. She chose to go to Beacon. Pyrrha and Oscar, they didn't have a choice. You explained Pyrrha in the video and Oscar didn't want to be chosen. He was picked by the gods or something.
@yorklane5930
6 жыл бұрын
I agree with the no choice for Pyrrha, Ozpin had Glynda and several fully trained female huntresses, He didn’t need Pyrrha he took her and he manipulated her, he used her.
@Champsr0ck2247
6 жыл бұрын
york lane Maidens need to be young women (Raven got her powers like 10 years prior to the show). Glynda not being an option means that she aged out
@yorklane5930
6 жыл бұрын
Champsr0ck2247 and I argue that when you have Ironwoods machine that transfers aura that really dosen't seem to matter.
@OwenInceJr
5 жыл бұрын
This video has made me a subscriber I thank you for this.
@ronnydon914
6 жыл бұрын
I don’t think these characters had a choice really, I think they targeted pyrah to be the maiden because they knew she would accept.
@mickeyhamila8621
6 жыл бұрын
Unrelated to this video but how did fox get a partner if he’s blind? He couldn’t see the first person he met in his training mission.
@curiouswind9196
6 жыл бұрын
to be or not to be that is the question
@ZephyrBW
6 жыл бұрын
No they never did have a choice Because Ozpin knew that good people never turn their back on others
@Catpuff818
6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video dude.
@UncleMikeDrop
6 жыл бұрын
There is and always has been a choice, but it's irrelevant because all of the options are terrible.
@willieoelkers5568
6 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the idea that Ozpin does not truly offer people choices. While I do agree that Ozpin *does* plan ahead before he offers someone a choice, I believe that one thing he considers is whether or not the person he's dealing with will be able to handle the consequences of their choice. This video talks like he chose Pyrrah because she wouldn't be able to say "no", but what if he chose her because he felt she would be able to survive and handle the power? Honestly, I feel this video gives Ozpin far too much credit, and everyone else far too little. I don't care how many lifetimes he's had, one man cannot shape the world to the degree this video asserts he did. In a world where the nations do not need to divert massive amounts of resources to being ready to fight each other, taking those resources and using them to ensure the next generation will be able to stand against the threats of the world seems very logical to me. Also, I'm fairly certain that the concept of Huntsmen predates the academies. The academies were just the kingdoms' attempts to make sure that their Huntsmen are prepared for the world instead of just handing anyone old enough to qualify a weapon and saying "watch me kill Grimm and try not to die". As to why the world at large does not know about Salem, I agree with Ozpin's reasoning. What's he going to tell people, "the Grimm aren't the only threat, there's also a supremely powerful being who is trying to utterly destroy humanity"? You don't tell people about a threat like that unless they can do something about it, otherwise their fears just eat away at them. And, in this world, your fears metaphorically eating at you leads to Grimm coming and literally eating you.
@Skollshorties
6 жыл бұрын
Its 2018 and I still miss Pyrrha. 2024 Edit: The name has been fixed
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
Skoll Shorties. SHE IS DEAD!!! ACCEPT IT!!!
@blazesona12
6 жыл бұрын
Qrow Branwen oy some can't move on from missing someone while they see that person's final moments or even their corpse somthing like that will always plague ones mind even if it's only in the back of that person's mind.
@NarakunoHana100
6 жыл бұрын
Qrow Branwen We accepted it, but it still hurts.
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
NarakunoHana100. This is maybe gonna hurt, but this is the truth. Did you know that It is pyrrha's own fault that She died. I mean She didn't had to fight Cynder. Really She never had to. She could have Just leave and fight another day. But nooo. Lets Challenge a fucking Maiden. But then She took An Arrow in the heel. And DIED. Her own fault not mine or Ozpin.
@luminemerr8988
6 жыл бұрын
+john mcmasters It's true I still think about not being able to save my brother's life being there when he took his last breath. Even if I was only 6, I still remember everything clearly. If only I had noticed sooner. All I knew is when he closed his eyes and his head dropped. My heart stopped, I screamed out for my mother. My six-year-old self-knew that he wasn't just sleeping. I remember sitting in the living room of my aunt's place and getting the news that he had died. My other siblings cried. I didn't I was still in shock. Even at the funeral, I sat there quietly. Still feeling that it couldn't be true. Wow, your comment brought up old memories. I occasionally think about him when I'm alone. You're right though.
@GoldLight73
6 жыл бұрын
Oscar certainly never had a choice. He's stuck with Ozpin in head forever, so...
@teroslarone1171
6 жыл бұрын
Gold Wade Does ozpin have controle over where he goes after his last bodies death? Did he have any controle over fighting cinder?
@hazamax2139
5 жыл бұрын
Maiden's powers have a trick to who they go to. Ozpin must have one too. I would even suggest it's the same but with bois. He wasn't thinking of any guy in particular so, we have a bois lottery to see who gets to be with another soul in his body, young bois only. Oscar won
@Raganui
5 жыл бұрын
Ozpin says 'oh, I'll fade away' or some such, but I feel more like Oscar would be the one to fade.
@nabrrlah
4 жыл бұрын
Wait than who is Ozpin? I meant the before Ozpin is in Oscar's mind,who's the person that Ozpin was in his head??
@DromusTH
3 жыл бұрын
@@nabrrlah Ozpin soul is inside Oscars.
@daffyhat
6 жыл бұрын
Choice? Destiny? Neither of those mean a damn thing if someone else is making them for you.
@TheJaredPunch
6 жыл бұрын
Daffyhat exactly, and that’s why things ended the way they did.
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
I made a choice to become a bird. Its not a curse. But a blessing. I can change into a crow whenever the fuck i want!!! Somethimes there is a choice. And you guys all sound like my sister.
@daffyhat
6 жыл бұрын
Qrow, I said choice is pointless if someone else decides it for you. You made the conscious choice to get bird powers and it helped, yes. However, you didn't choose to have a Semblance that hurts everyone around you, ally or foe.
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
Daffyhat. I suppose that's true. But did Ozpin gave me that Semblance. Nope. The universe did. And there is nothing wrong with that. Because i accepted who and what iam. And please Just stop spreading lies about Ozpin beeing Evil. Hé is the only person that is actully fighting Salum. Raven abandonned her duties. And Iron Wood is Just going Rogue. And that Will be his downfall. The only other person that is still Truely fighting Salum. Is the Headmaster of Vacuo. You know why. Because the great war brought Vale and Vacuo Together. So that means that Vacuo Will listen when the story finally brings us there. Oh and when we we ASKED!!! Pyrrha to become the new Fall Maiden. We where desperate. I mean we could have just waited until the festival was over. WE COULD. but we didn't. Yes She died. But is was foolish of her to face Cynder in the first Place. Her death was her own fault. Seriously She could have just run away and fight another day. She could have joined us. But no She Just wanted to be the hero. IT was Just Stupid to fight a Maiden.
@EngineScypex
6 жыл бұрын
Then tell me @Daffyhat - when did someone else made a decision for another person (parents for their childs, enemies who're forcing a fight and Oscar excluded)? Pyrrha had a choice. She could have said no. We're kind of the situation like she had done so. Convincing her with a good reason not to refuse doesn't remove the option. Crow and Raven had the choice to get their powers, but with conditions. Both even knew what they're up against and accepted. Raven didn't hold on her part on the condition, but even so, Ozpin didn't really try to chase her for it. Yes, people in rwby didn't choose their semblence. Did anyone say they could choose it? For example you can't choose your gender. Pretty much the same in rwby.
@spencyn2641
6 жыл бұрын
*Do you believe in destiny?*
@thirdplanet4471
6 жыл бұрын
Spencyn I don't feel so good
@tyraelmagnus7595
6 жыл бұрын
As Hellboy once said: The destiny is overrated
@kaiba3612
6 жыл бұрын
No but i believe in fate. ( super cool line made by myself) XD
@TheJaredPunch
6 жыл бұрын
Spencyn Destiny is something you create yourself
@andrewgifford1007
6 жыл бұрын
never did like the idea of fate or destiny
@tranquillity4362
6 жыл бұрын
I used to know a girl who asked someone if they believed in destiny ...
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
SHE IS DEAD!!! ACCEPT IT!!!
@tranquillity4362
6 жыл бұрын
Qrow Branwen who are you talking about? Your "friend" summer Rose?
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
tranquillity. Yes She is dead. And iam still sad about it. But i accepted it. Life Goes on. Dont look back. Lets Just live!!!
@tranquillity4362
6 жыл бұрын
Qrow Branwen I guess you're right... I guess you're right...
@willieoelkers5568
6 жыл бұрын
I don't believe in destiny. I believe in potential and choices. Some people have the potential to cause a great change, for any number of reasons, but in the end none of that matters unless they choose to act on that potential.
@Tam_Miri
6 жыл бұрын
Despite the many flaws in the show, the fact that it can spawn such in-depth discussion and debate is what makes it so fun. I have a question that if anyone can answer would be great because its bothered me a while. When Penny speaks to Ruby, she mentions that one day it'll be her job to save the world (paraphrasing) so does that mean she was originally to be the sacrifice for Amber - Amber's aura/soul would be transferred into Penny? But perhaps on realizing the threat being IN Beacon, and Penny not seeming to be ready, Ozpin was forced with the idea of choosing a student to be sacrificed instead and his 'choice' either use Penny who seems more interested in just normal girl things, has a childish personality and well, keeps taking off to explore lol OR a student that is top of class, in combat and has a pure sense of justice that wouldn't waver? He gives her until the end of the tournament only because they feel there isn't a lot of time - I'm surprised they gave her that much frankly. Anyone can truly want to protect and save others but if the cost is your very life and the result is a hazy 50% success rate - if even that much... saying no wouldn't be a surprise. It's not a fair choice sure, but its a choice. I would even say the pressure from the council that Ozpin in previous life possibly set up as King (Clarification please) were also urging him to do something as well as Ironwood. He himself, in turn, had a lose-lose choice to make as well. As for a whole, I would prefer if Ozpin were truly untrustworthy be it he's good at the end or bad. But I wonder how much of it is story related or just a means to make him look cool. None of the RT staff from day one were professional story-tellers so I always struggle with the debate of is Ozpin hiding something or is he written to be that way just for effect? I do think there's more to Team STRQ's fall out and separation. And indeed, these students training against fellow huntsman - I imagine for the sole purpose to harden and prepare them for possible encounters with followers of Salem. Not telling them is kinda screwed up, how many of Qrow's friends had no idea who Salem was and facing off against Hazel and Tyrian and all the Grimm no doubt at once? Knowing may have changed outcomes. Also, I know it's still young but aren't these Academies like colleges? Aren't the students like 17 years old? So they aren't exactly children anymore - aside from exceptions like Ruby BUT I imagine Tai signed the permission slip and it was okay by him. Plus the academies aren't even where they start training to fight. They come from middle schools that are having them design weapons and utilizing them. So aren't they the ones that are training children and preparing them for battles? I think the idea of these schools having kids in the battlefield/woods fighting Grimm aren't due to the school. I think kids were always fighting alongside family and huntsmen - the difference being the schools and main cities offer a more refined streamlined style of training while being safe. Kids fighting but having properly studied and taught by pros before them.There's more I'm sure. And I have questions littered throughout so would like some answers if there exist any. Is Ozpin trustworthy, like I said I would want to see there be secrets he hasn't told. But I fear it may be more for effect than actual revelation-like stuff. Although He did find the idea of turning people into birds hilarious. Whether it was their choice or not - had the transfer of souls taken place and Pyrrha died and Amber took over, would he down the road have found the idea hilarious as well? "Sounds ridiculous when said aloud" and he laughs. I'm sure the bird-transforming wasn't on a whim, they needed it in the moment pretty bad BUT he finds it pretty funny now. So his moral compass seems a bit... well I guess that's assuming my moral compass is right lol. A matter of opinion.But that's just some of the thoughts I had on it. I can't think of anything at the moment.
@Champsr0ck2247
6 жыл бұрын
Tammi M Penny was a prototype since aura transplanting is very recent. In fact, giving Penny the Maiden Powers makes more sense than Pyrrha due to how Penny is technically a soldier and not a Huntress. It's likely due to the fact Penny was a prototype that she was too risky to be given Maiden powers
@Hyavobi
6 жыл бұрын
Cool theory and technically any show can be a foundation for in-depth discussion even Spongebob. Also, I'm sure an immortal's moral compass wi mostly be super subjective especially in the case of Ozpin.
@noname-rj7dx
6 жыл бұрын
That would explain why she was built as close to a young woman as Ironwood could probably manage. But she still is a machine. I think it wouldn't work (plus that would be a pretty message to send to the audience: those emancipated girls with their useless free will and own decisions, we should just replace them with machines, so the work that their male owner (Ironwood) wants to be down, can be fulfilled more effectively (pretty messed up if you ask me 🤷♀️))
@Tam_Miri
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the responses guys! That's true about anything can have an I-depth discussion lol! Ozpin didn't know about Penny being a robot. I think Ironwood's plan was to put this robot girl (with a soul) into the tournament to best everyone, then turn to Ozpin and say Penny is far superior and should become the maiden. He himself is half metal and probably sees its a much safer and better alternative than killing a young human girl. I had also questioned whether he was wanting Penny to take over his own Kingdom's maiden as a backup and tested her strength against the other kingdoms' huntsmen (kinda cheating and screwed up so Ironwood isn't above this type of underhand). I had also the head canon that the Penny's aura/soul was from a scientist's daughter that had a failing body - so with Ironwood's help (seeing as he lost most of his body and replaced it with metal parts) built a replica robot of what daughter looked like and transerred her mind and soul to it. She may have lost her memory in the transfer but still retains an innocent young girl personality. (Though this is 100%head canon and theory -I have nothing to prove it lol.) Also, if anyone can answer me on this because I've been bothered by it since it was brought back up in Vol. 4 and then the lingo changed in Vol. 5. Back when Pyrrha is offered this 'choice', she is told that the powers (maiden) are transferred to the person in the current maiden's thoughts last. If it's a female it'll move to her, if it's a male it 'resets' or randomizes and then they have to search all over for this person. And it was reiterated 'the one in their last thoughts' typically the attacker if killed. So set in stone. Got it. In vol. 4 Qrow tells them about the maidens. Ren says "So these maiden's when one of them dies the power transfers to someone, a female, that they care about." Qrow corrects him "Whoever was in their thoughts last. Important distinction." But fast forward to vol 5, we don't hear Ozpin and Qrow tell Yang and Weiss everything BUT when Yang is confronting her mom in the Vault, she says "She (referring to original Spring) must've trusted you a lot." --- Never understood this because, if they told Yang and Weiss the same thing, the maiden didn't need to trust Raven at all. A few moments earlier, Cinder implies the same thing "She must've trusted you a great deal" Why? She could've run up on the maiden and killed her (just like Cinder did to Amber) and Raven in last thoughts as the attacker, received the powers. I will say that I believe, much like Vernal, Spring trusted and was very loyal to the tribe and to Raven and when she realized she just wasn't strong enough, conceded that the 'BEST THING FOR THE TRIBE" would be for her to die and the powers to carry on to Raven the strongest in the tribe and Leader. That's also a head canon with nary a shred of evidence. But my issue is the whole switch from vol 4 and into vol 5 with this odd change in a once adamantly stated condition/rule of the powers transferring. Did they not tell Weiss and Yang the truth? Does Cinder not know how it works either? OR are the guys at RT/CRWBY doing away with that rule and changing it to 'the last person in the maiden's thoughts that they cared about?' and if so, why? Is it so Raven doesn't receive the powers from Cinder? I don't think Raven can have the powers because Qrow says in response to Nora (vol 4) they may have mentioned it in vol 3 to Pyrrha but not sure, that there are ALWAYS 4 maidens. So I don't think Raven could get the powers - not naturally. Cinder maybe since she was acquiring them unnaturally so she may have been able to syphon it and hold 2. I dunno. It may be nothing I just don't get why two people on different teams are insinuating the only way Raven could've gotten those powers was because Spring 'trusted and cared about her (Raven) a lot'.
@noname-rj7dx
6 жыл бұрын
Tammi M Your right, this "spring trusted you" is pretty confusing. I always just combined it with the fact that Qrow was sure that Raven had the Spring maiden into the conclusion, that it was a semi-secret that Raven had allied with Spring to hide from and defend themselves against Salem (and probably also Ozpin). So Spring must have trusted Raven because they were a team. And then Raven betrayed that trust. For what reason I don't know 🤔
@brandondodge6040
6 жыл бұрын
Really these "choices" are more like Ultimatums, like you said in this video. Do this thing or else. For any of these people they could have gone one of 3 ways, either run away from Ozpin and Salem and just try to live your life like Raven did, follow Ozpin like Qrow did, or follow Salem like Cinder or Lionheart did.
@zoneq1126
6 жыл бұрын
Brandon Dodge, Japanese Web Novels would have people with cheats who can choose the first decision and live a long time safely (or screw up the whole world) but... even with semblances and possible altruism beyond race; the whole war against grimm and the dispute among kingdoms are making it difficult for the people of Remnant to live a happy life...
@benjaminbierley2074
6 жыл бұрын
in this case it's hard to "pretend" to serve either side since your either in or out of their fight, and going traitor to one...well saw how that went.
@zoneq1126
6 жыл бұрын
Benjamin Bierley, How about ordering a battle maniac to be a spy? That way, he gets to fight your side while pretending to be the opposite side.
@MWGhost-nd2rt
6 жыл бұрын
Brandon Dodge or fight on your own and solve the problem your own way.
@msking1000
6 жыл бұрын
@@MWGhost-nd2rt That was Ravens choice. So, it's still down to four. I buy the fourth, darkest option being death.
@victoryrose2048
6 жыл бұрын
I think the reason Ozpin trains children/teenagers to fight his war is like why Halsey chose children for the Spartan 2 program, because they are easier to shape and mold into what you want and need. It’s easier to give children/teenagers with no real knowledge of the real world the respective of ‘you fight against evil because you are good’. An adult with experience in life would tell you not everything is black and white but a child doesn’t have that experience, to a child it’s easier for them to understand if you label one thing good and another thing bad, a child doesn’t care about the grey area between those two sides because why would they? Ozpin likely knows this so can project the image of good vs bad for children because they will simply accept it over and adult who has the increased chance of looking between the lines and questioning everything. But that’s just my take.
@Cooldude-ko7ps
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Basically a Spartan 2 situation but thankfully instead of 5-6 year olds it’s approx 17 year olds with a few younger exceptions such as Ruby at 15yo.
@calebblaha7854
2 жыл бұрын
I imagine that using children was a consequence of a larger issue. When the schools were founded they were an attempt to quickly revive a damaged world. To revitalize the world so that it may rise higher. It was Ozpins folly to not see the long-term ramifications of said goal.
@Cooldude-ko7ps
2 жыл бұрын
@@calebblaha7854 ah.
@ayameneroxiii513
6 жыл бұрын
No, I believe there wasn't a choice from the start. And it makes me see a bit of what Raven was getting at. Pyrrah I feel Ozpin just used her sense justice to protect people and painted it as her "Choice" Same with Oscar, I feel that was more manipulation under the disguise of "this is your choice" when Oscar rarely has much a choice on Ozpin even taking over his body. It just makes me trust him even less when he takes stuff like that away under a certain narrative.
@XrosReflection
6 жыл бұрын
Miu Chibiruma so he appealed to their desires and made a convincing A or B path they could follow
@blakechandler167
6 жыл бұрын
Xros Media YT except option A was made to sound more appealing to everything that person stands for, while B was told to sound like some horrible act that person would never do.
@rebelfighter5249
6 жыл бұрын
Miu Chibiruma and in Raven's case he paints dissenters in a negative light so as to discourage those who learn the truth about the world from defecting and possibly blowing the lid off of their secret society, b/c they're privy to knowledge not many in their world r aware of. No wonder ppl like Yang r suspicious of him now. Groupthink is dangerous to begin with and the illusion of choice may come back to bite Ozpin in the rear yet AGAIN if Ruby gets captured and receives an extreme makeover by team WTCH.
@colvamoon6962
6 жыл бұрын
Miu Chibiruma same goes for Ruby, not only would running from this fight go against what she believes in, but Salem is interested in her, so she has to fight. And Ruby's friends aren't gonna abandon her, so they have to fight as well.
@rebelfighter5249
6 жыл бұрын
Blake Gerber that might be true now. But what if Ruby gets captured by team WTCH? Then what? Like Summer before her, Ruby is the glue holding this group together and is Oz's WMD. If that weapon is tampered with (she loses one of her silver eyes) and she becomes mentally shattered from the trauma, that just might be where the real division of the group starts, b/c they won't know how to handle that.
@RedtheEdge
6 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I believe it is a mix. Yes, Pyrrah did have a choice. Yes, we all knew what she was going to pick because that is part of her character and belief. But...it was still her choice. Let's say she said no...I do not believe that Ozpin and the others would knock her out and force her to do that...yet they did use the knowledge of how she behaves to ask her a question she wouldn't say no to. In the end, it was Pyrrah who made the call to accept the powers.
@KaitheKnightly
6 жыл бұрын
The thing is while Ozpin has had key moments where he has shown to be suspicious I just can't hate him for his choices. His just paying for the mistake he made and is still making, that he is struggling to convince himself is the right thing to do. He's getting cracks in his ideals. Salem has brought out a hammer. But while yes I do believe he hasn't been completely honest with everyone around him. I can see why. 1. His been around for thousands of years and this is probably not his first plan or attempt to finish the mission he has been given since his "failure" to stop Salem before she went balistic with wanting all of Humanity to die. I'm sure he has tried a million different ways. Especially when you recall he let it slip to Ruby. "I've made more mistakes than any man, woman, and child on this planet." He sounded so sad when he said it. Like he was thinking back to all his past failures. And maybe friends he trusted that either betrayed him along the way, or died. He's afraid to get close to others now. Because I feel like especially in his early years. He let people in. People knew. But something drastic happened thousands of years ago. And by the time he was the King of Vale something changed in him. 2. Remember how as the king of Vale. He tried to stall the war. He never wanted it to happen. The WoR states. "The king of Vale did all he could to prevent violence and calm his people." Claiming that they should try to peacefully co-exist with the other Mistral settlers. But a huge statement still bothers me. When Qrow says. "To this day no one knows who shot first." Now it could be a simple statement. But something seems off. I think Salem caused it to happen. Now this is just my observations and theories here I may be wrong. But I think that 80 years ago. Ozpin had given up again (by again I mean in the Four Maidens WoR you see the Wizard living alone, defeated and bitter at the world. Salem had beaten him that first time and he gave up after being cursed and living for centuries watching the world around him without acting) and was just trying to preserve human lives by the time he became king. Something about the war changed him. He doesn't try to get attached anymore. He still loves humanity but with all he's seen he can cloud his judgment with the hope that he can beat Salem this time. But this is unhealthy and if he doesn't really start letting people in again he will cause his own plan to fail. So to answer your question I would say both. But when Ozpin makes those choices he knows deep down he's manipulating everyone. But he's so far gone in trying to stop Salem at all cost and also hating himself. I feel subconsciously he wants to be mistrusted. He wants to be seen as this mystery that can't be reached. He's put up walls around his heart... and is trying to just use his mind and morals alone without giving too much into his empathy for others. Sorry about the long post I just find this topic and Ozpin very interesting.
@spiderFern
6 жыл бұрын
I've always thought something along these lines, since as you said, Ozpin has lived a really long time and after that long, he would've made and lost thousands of friends. They wouldn't even need to have necessarily betrayed him for him to close himself off(although, statistically, at least a few of them must have), they'd just have to die naturally or in battle. Ozpin had lived knowing any friend he makes, he will outlive. Any person he meets, he will outlive. He's probably just numbed himself to it all just to keep his sanity and keep actually caring about humanity as a whole. Because of this, he probably isn't as concerned about the individuals and can justify sacrificing some people individually for humanity as a whole. Lying to people to get them to do what he wants is probably even easier for him, since in that case they're not even dying for humanity, just being deceived for it.
@Lin2Waterfall
6 жыл бұрын
FINALLY! Another person who gets it! >.
@frankg2790
6 жыл бұрын
Secrets are all well and good, but when they place a life in danger, a life that a headmaster is wholly responsible for, secrets become meaningless.
@animalia5554
6 жыл бұрын
Ozpin's problem is his secrecy. Salem cannot surivive the cold light of Day if People knew about Ozpin she couldn't plan her attacks. but she relys on Ozpins guilt and fear about people learning about what he has done to control him and keep him from telling about him. Let's try an experiment. Next time Ozpin or someone like him says it would cause a panic, think of them saying National Security instead. Now think of all of the horrible things that have been done in the name of national security.
@frankg2790
6 жыл бұрын
Or could have been done.
@jeremyfarnell9679
6 жыл бұрын
When considering the choice presented to Pyrrha, you have to consider why she was chosen to be the next Fall Maiden. She was chosen not only for her skill and ability as a huntress, but because of her nature as a person. One of the first things we see her do, outside of her battle prowess, is befriend and help a bumbling idiot in Jaune Arc. With so many other people who are innately cooler and more advantageous picks, she chooses the least likely person. Seeing the potential in him, before ultimately falling in love with him. Her first choice that we see her make is team up with someone who would presumably hold her back. She continues this trend throughout her time on the show. And Ozpin and Goodwitch observe as much. This makes her candidacy for the Fall Maiden’s power ideal. She displayed a character that would consistently champion the common folk over fame or riches, despite the fact that she was already famous herself. She saw the worth in all people. This is why Ozpin and gang chose her. This is why she was given this overwhelming decision that would ultimately destroy her in either outcome. Does she have a choice? Absolutely. She could have said no. But what would’ve happened had she said no? If she had chosen not to take the Fall Maiden’s power, Cinder would have gained it anyway. Pyrrha’s rejection of the power would have driven her face off with Cinder out of guilt, and we would arrive at the same conclusion. But rejecting the responsibility of that power would betray Pyrrha’s character. The death of Pyrrha in the story is a great, and heartbreaking, loss. But in defense of Ozpin, if you’re going to have someone make a choice with such high stakes, you’re going to have to hedge your bets and pick the most capable and likely candidate to say yes.
@isostormgamer5584
6 жыл бұрын
Pyrrha probably would've had more time to think about the situation if not for Cinder prematurely ending the Vital Festival by releasing grimm into Vale and Beacon along with the White Fang invading.
@bradhoefler8650
6 жыл бұрын
yes, but the decision was a forgone conclusion. it would have ended with pyrrha accepting ether way, the time was only really given to make her believe that she was given a choice in the matter.
@animedude8712
6 жыл бұрын
Soarel Still the aren is still covered in Grim and Beacon is apart of Vale. So it was not cleared up and most likely no one can go home.
@animedude8712
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think Ironwood was in the last episode. Still someone did say that there was a safe zone in Vale. Still who know's how long that will last for and all those grim. Even if their at the school doesn't mean more will show up.
@FlatlandsSurvivor
6 жыл бұрын
They were already into the 1v1 rounds of the tournament. Assuming all matches take the same period of time there were 7 rounds left to decide a winner, but 24 had already taken place to get there. This ultimatum was given 3/4ths of the way through the tournament, which presumably spans the length of the festival.
@LeonGun8
6 жыл бұрын
As far a we know. Salem ordered more Grimm to Vale to keep searching for Beacon's Relic.
@user-Jay178
6 жыл бұрын
Great video and this is interesting. I like all the theory.
@frankg2790
6 жыл бұрын
It makes perfect sense.
@Silva-ek9hd
6 жыл бұрын
I actually don’t believe that inheritance of maiden powers would mean Pyhrra would die and amber would take over. When we think about it, Cinder took half of the maidens power and thus part of her aura right? But amber hasn’t been shown to have any influence over her. Also I completely disagree with the choice aspect. While I don’t trust Oz, however in the scene with Jaune and Qrow, I found myself realizing that while her options were lose-lose, she had the options to choose how she lost. Life isn’t fair. She was the only choice for the fall maiden powers. The only other possible candidates that might be able to inherit it and possibly effectively use it against Cinder would’ve been either Yang, Velvet and possibly Penny. And possibly Glynda if she isn’t one already or young enough to inherit it. Oz has framed the world in a way that he has set the pieces on the board and they have fight. That choice has been taken from them, however how, when and why they fight are all choices they must make and I believe those are the most important.
@glich6035
6 жыл бұрын
Silva well really the peices of the world have already been set even if oz and salem weren't there anymore the Grimm might still be anyway because we don't know how thier spawn pools work and salem doesn't control the action of every Grimm so just taking the Grimm into account remnant is a world where it's either fight or eventually die so theres a necessity for a group of people to fight(hell even without the Grimm there are times in the real world where it's necessary) also people have been going on about child soldiers when the only reason things like that have been happening is because they either seek it out themselves or are right there when shit goes wrong and have to fight and you can't call the acadamies child soldier camps because they enroll 17 year olds one year younger than the legal drafting age in the real world at least for America( plus they aren't deployed for any big serious mission till four years later when they become huntsman at 21 years old) and even then you have programs that are meant to lead into a military career that start acceptance as early as 13 years old very simular to the prep acadamys like what ruby was in before getting accepted into becon 2 years early so there's that
@Champsr0ck2247
6 жыл бұрын
Cinder took the powers directly, not Ambers aura. Transplanting her Aura was supposed to keep Amber alive because the Maiden Powers would automatically reunite with Cinder's, which we saw did when she kills Amber. So yeah, Pyrrha would most likely have "died" with Amber filling in her skin. Maybe it would have been like Oscar where Amber and Pyrrha both exist rather than just Amber.
@Silva-ek9hd
6 жыл бұрын
Champsr0ck2247 didn’t they state that they were transferring Ambers aura to Pyhrra as her powers were connected to Ambers aura? Thus it’s likely that even if Cinder directly took her power she’d be takin her aura as well as they are intertwined. That being said, if they aren’t connected then giving Pyrrha the aura wouldn’t also give her the power meaning it would’ve most likely just gone to Cinder anyway, and amber would then be transposed into Pyrrha’s body without her maiden powers.
@Cooldude-ko7ps
3 жыл бұрын
What about older students like Coco or Velvet? They should be compatible and they are much more experienced.
@Silva-ek9hd
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cooldude-ko7ps I mentioned Velvet already in my original comment. Coco got beaten by Emerald and had overal poor showings within the show. So the idea that she was a choice is quite literally only based in the thought that she has more experience and as I said Glynda is a much better option in that case. Or literally any adult huntress.
@Elendrial
6 жыл бұрын
While I agree 100% with the pyrrha not having a choice, I disagree with a lot of the other opinions you present. You say that "They aren't the most capable fighters, but they don't need to be. They just need to be able to kill grimm". Isn't that the entire thing their tribe is trying to avoid? If I remember correctly, that's a bandit tribe that raids and scavenges for supplies, constantly moving to avoid the grimm they draw in their wake. So them being average fighters isn't because they only need to fight grimm, it's because they actively avoid the grimm. This is coupled with the fact that we don't know their actual fighting strength, sure the regular lackies were easily taken out, but this is where Qrow and Raven grew up, and despite them being some of the better (possibly best) fighters before going to Beacon, I'd find it surprising if there was no one else closer to their level in the tribe. You present the academies as entirely designed and orchestrated by Ozpin for his benefits. You also say that Ozpin sends children to fight for him, and generally I just don't think these statements are true. Are they training children to fight? Definitely - under the constant eye of teachers and skilled huntsmen. Is Ozpin sending children out to fight against Salem's massive army without their knowledge and is this all designed directly for Ozpin's benefit in his war against Salem? Debatable, and here's why I think no: While it is true that they are training children to fight against Grimm, I think it unlikely that they are actually sending these children to do any proper work. They are training them so that when they are adults and fully trained, they can fight Grimm. This is arguably semantics, but when you keep stressing the "children" part in your argument, I think it acceptable to address it even if it is semantics. "But the children do fight grimm!" - yes, they do. But these generally are fairly weak Grimm and the kids have either gone off on their own or are under supervision, except for the (usually) very rare case where something major happens and the need every ounce of fighting force they can muster. While these 'very rare' cases have happened quite a few times in RWBY so far, overall, over the 80 or so years that huntsman academies have been around, this would have been exceptionally rare, as evidenced by the panic and chaos they cause. Going onto the knowledge part: I don't think they need to be told about Salem, nor should they expect to have been told about Salem until something major happens/they need to do something that requires them to know. Salem's 'army' are Grimm, and this is what they have signed up to fight, so are they really being 'used' to fight something they didn't sign up for? No. Are they fighting on a scale they didn't understand? Sometimes - except for certain trusted huntsmen, most are not doing much against Salem directly, they are doing exactly what they signed up for, dealing with Grimm on a day to day level, clearing out and maintaining the safety of areas inhabited (or close to) humans. Of course that has changed recently with Salem going on the offensive, however I still feel like just straight up telling all student huntsmen (or everyone) would be a bad idea. The Grimm feed off fear, hatred uncertainty, etc, so to tell everyone about Salem, you'd effectively be making Salem stronger, as who wouldn't get frightened when learning that the nameless beasts which have preyed on humanity actually have an evil, human hating mastermind behind them. Personally I'd be thinking "shit that must mean there's even stronger Grimm out there, how can we ever win". This might also lead to fewer people signing up to be huntsmen as they'd feel they'd be putting themselves at a much greater danger than they currently do, which in turn would make it harder to protect humanity from Grimm, even just your average ones. (Admittedly this whole point is my weakest) Lastly: The Academies. While they were only founded ~80 years ago, I firmly believe that similar institutions must have existed in the past. Why? Because it doesn't make sense for them not to have existed before. The very fact that there was a large war between civilisations so far away shows that each of them must have had civilisation and military competent enough to a) support each other without collapsing (military without civilisation would run out resources quickly, civilisation without military would not have survived such a war), b) easily get to other, much more dangerous parts of the world without endangering the people left behind due to fewer defences from Grimm, and c) cope with the losses from that war, both in a sustainable systems sense and an attracting Grimm sense. For civilisations capable of doing this (in a world as hostile as this) they would undoubtedly be training soldiers in schools/academies (Mantle definitely was, Qrow mentions it in the WoR:Atlas), and likewise if you're doing that, you're also sending other people to 'regular' schools/academies as they don't need to know how to fight, but instead help maintain the civilisation and improve it. You might ask "but the academy might have formed after the start of the war, as the war increased demand for especially good fighters", and yes, it might have, but I find this unlikely, as when the sole reason is to train people to send them to war as fast as possible and as cheaply as possible, they wouldn't make a full academy but a camp which churns through people only teaching them the basics, which wouldn't really work in this world as far as I can see. So what does this mean for Ozpin founding the Academies? Well the likelihood is that there already were many of these, but they would have been strongly linked to the kingdom they were in and possibly funnelling students straight to their kingdom's military. So from a "let's have peace" perspective, you'd want to try and abolish these as they directly contribute to each kingdom's ability to break the piece and restart the war - however you can't do that in this world due to Grimm, so you have to change what is there instead, ie concentrate the high level fighting academies into fewer, more easily monitored academies. While there may now be fewer highly trained combatants overall, this coupled with the Vytal Festival and the freedom for these people to move kingdom as they please, you have mostly ensured that they will not aid in a war between other countries*. The low amount of students trained also serves as a way to ensure that only the best combatants make it to a stage where they are fighting actual Grimm, keeping the casualties down (as long as there are enough, which is arguable), and allows them to receive the best education they can as the best teachers are concentrated in a single place. So to sum that up, it makes sense from both a peace keeping and a training point view to form the Huntsmen Academies. It just happens to coincide with Ozpin's plans for keeping the artifacts, or who knows, it could easily have been only after the decision to make the Academies that Ozpin realised that these could serve as more than just academies, but it doesn't matter either way as their founding is a good idea, regardless of other intentions. And to bring this all together: While Pyrrha and Oscar definitely didn't/don't have a choice in what they did/are doing, I'd say that all the other huntsmen do, they're fighting Grimm & protecting people and that's what they signed up to do, and if they don't like how they now have to suddenly fight against an organised Grimm then they can always run away, there's still nothing forcing them to fight or to follow Ozpin. (*yes I know that Atlas is still directly funnelling students to their military, but that's more an issue of the rest of the world not keeping the management there as accountable for the path the students take as they should.) Wow this was way longer than I intended, I have trouble concisely getting words from head to page, so sorry if it's rambling/hard to understand the point I'm trying to make at times. Also I'm not exactly 100% certain on all the RWBY lore, and I didn't do that much research for things I talked about, so please tell me if I've got some things wrong! Oh well, we'll find out what's actually going on at some point .
@theleftasscheek3380
6 жыл бұрын
Finally someone I can agree with. sorry to say but I’ll be using some of your points in an RWBY argument that I know will come up in the future
@GREATGAIWAIN
6 жыл бұрын
Bravo. This is a much better and thorough version of the comment I left.
@rebeccatoro1614
6 жыл бұрын
You got everything pretty much right ^^
@OzzyTheGiant
6 жыл бұрын
You should post this in a RWBY blog!
@newframe6937
5 жыл бұрын
Thats the thing. The students do not know the risk. As far as theyre aware, theyre just fighting Grimm, not an intelligent force. Thats manipulation at its basest. Also, the fact that Oz has had access to relics for CENTURIES and he did nothing. He let Salem grow in power. How can someone who literally shaped society to his liking, not be aware of high profile characters defecting? Oz also has been alive at the faunus wars. Where was he? How come someone who shaped society was not able to make equality for faunus? He has been in positions of power for millenia, how is he not able to do it?
@kameronatkins4170
6 жыл бұрын
I don’t trust Ozpin at all
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
Kameronia 6. Traitor!!!!
@ikoartiaga5971
6 жыл бұрын
same for me .. sorry no offense Qrow ...
@xavierackerman6225
6 жыл бұрын
Iko Artiaga. Nahh i Don even care what you guys say about Ozpin. So long you dont say shit about me!!! Otherwise there Will be consequences.
@ikoartiaga5971
6 жыл бұрын
well just like other people say if your nice to others they will be nicer to you ...
@w4yn31ngm00n
6 жыл бұрын
No Qrow, we all love you
@ThatAsianGuy68
6 жыл бұрын
Sees Eruption Fang theory vid Me: *instant like*
@solempireo9015
6 жыл бұрын
When Ozpin is involved, there is no choice. He's lived for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. He knows how to read people. He knows what they want to see and hear, and he knows what to do and say in order to get others to do what he wants. He did it every day with the students (all his speeches about "fighting the good fight"). He did it with Phyra (it's not a choice if you know they're going to say "yes"). He did it with Oscar (appealing to his good nature and "desire for adventure"). He's doing it with Team RNJR, Weisse and Yang.
@shipmaster101
6 жыл бұрын
You can actually say that Oscar didnt have a choice cos Ozpin as we know can control his body, and as time goes on, he'll be able to do it even more, so if it came to the point where Ozpin thought it was seriously important that Oscar goes but Oscar still refused, he might have taken control without his consent, been resented by Oscar but still wouldve fought in Haven Also, maybe the headmaster in charge of the relic develops the characteristics of that relic cos Ozpin surrounds his nature of thinking around choice, he had the Choice Relic, Leonardo was giving information to Salem, he had the Knowledge Relic
@BladeOfSteel-Sword_Saint
6 жыл бұрын
Ship Master101 And Tin-man. Ironwood. Has the Relic of Creation. Penny. That is probably how they made her in the first place.
@shipmaster101
6 жыл бұрын
DivinePhoenix901 We dont actually know what Maiden is in which Kingdom yet, so we cant say that Winter will definitely be the Maiden for Atlas for Ironwood to take the role of Creation but it is a good thing you came up with though
@BladeOfSteel-Sword_Saint
6 жыл бұрын
Ship Master101 Well the Banner for Atlas is a torch, Torch equals lights. Light equals creation. So we know that kingdom could have the Relic of Creation. (This is mostly adapted from theories Via videos of KZitem.) But if Winter is even there as of this moment... Also, since I am on the topic of Relic of Creation i might as well clear out my head-canon. When we get the Relic of Creation we will learn what it does, it may create life or does something else creation wise. This will make Jaune interested in it, he still has guilt over Pyrrhas death. He will take the Relic and possibly recreate Pyrrha She might have her memories of the past maybe not. But what she will remember is that she was killed and start attacking everyone in a delusional state. They will calm her down or knock her out, but whatever they do Pyrrha will be upset she is alive. She died believing in what she fought for, now that she is alive she has lost her peace. She will be upset at Jaune over reviving her and leave the teams as they stared speechless at her walking off, Jaune will now feel even more guilty because he thought about himself rather than the being of Pyrrha thus creating an Arc for him.(As if we haven't had enough of Jaune getting devloped more than Ruby...)(Whether this happens or not I do not know, it is just my head-canon. Leave your opinion.)
@shipmaster101
6 жыл бұрын
DivinePhoenix901 I dont really think that the relic could be creation just because of the light thing really cos to me, light doesnt really rerpresent creation at all, more so hope and stuff so yeah. And about your head canon, having th Relic of Creation doesnt really mean that you can bring people back cos its not creating, like you said, in a way its REcreating, meaning making it AGAIN. However I do actually agree with whatnyou said about Pyrrhas reaction to being bought back, it makes sense that she would think that she got brought back to a world of darkness, Grimm and war when she was perfectly fine and at peace before. Although this is your head canon so you can obviously feel free to go about this however you want to, Im just saying what I think about it
@charlottewalnut3118
5 жыл бұрын
DivinePhoenix901 But a torch is also fire they are connected to the military both things are connected to destruction
@ethancrawford3434
6 жыл бұрын
Choice: an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities. Technically Pyrrah had a choice, no matter the stakes at hand. You really painted a picture that this fight was originally a fight between Ospin and Salem and Ospin started training little kids to fight in his favor. Ok well is that a bad thing? I mean Salem had grim and Ospin was one man fighting a woman that literally hates life. Can you imagine a world run by Salem?? I don't blame Ospin. Honestly I think hes doing the right thing. Do all the kids hes training have a choice if they dont know fully what they are fighting? By definition Yes. Is there information that held back by Ospin in regards to Salem that could have changed the kids choice to be a student? Maybe.. But look at it this why. All the kids there are there to kick grim ass and save lives. But there are alot of students for sure that join the schools that don't really know the features of a warrior that make that person a defender of the inocent, so at the school they learn to fight, they learn selflessness for the week and strong and they learn to stand up for what is right. Ultimatly we can look at this liek the Spartan 2 program. If the kids wherent taken and trned into spartans then they would not have been able to save the universe. Now take the same concept and apply it here. Except here its not so corrupt and they are fighting for a very realavent cause.
@jentlesites
5 жыл бұрын
Pyrrha was so compassionate and selfless I miss her so much...
@NZ6703
6 жыл бұрын
There is the choice to become a huntsmen, but once you are one, you are automatically part of Salem and Ozpin's war. By unknowingly becoming part of that conflict you lose your choice. PS I love you content. It makes me rethink things from a different perspective.
@NZ6703
6 жыл бұрын
Charles Hockenbury I suppose, but as a huntsmen who doesn't fight the Grim you are shunned
@NZ6703
6 жыл бұрын
Charles Hockenbury don't worry about the long read, I've done the equivalent of a long essay question in the comments before. Also, I appreciate you putting in your idea in response to mine
@NZ6703
6 жыл бұрын
Charles Hockenbury I love over analyzing stuff with people too😅
@greyworld6242
6 жыл бұрын
Dashie Rainbow you know because of all this I wonder did raven not want yang to be a huntress?
@NZ6703
6 жыл бұрын
Grey World I feel like Raven just stopped caring at a certain point because she was more concerned with her tribe than Yang
@ryanbolin1858
6 жыл бұрын
There is always a choice. For the huntsmen, they sign up knowing they might die, yes ospin didn't tell them exactly what they would be fighting, but they sign up knowing that the fight is real, that the danger is real. They sign up to protect the innocent at any cost, no matter the threat, it's the job they chose to do. And as for Pyrrha, the only way ospin could have stopped her from doing it was to never inform her in the first place, because as long as she knew that it was a possibility, Pyrrha would have gone through with it, no guilt trip required. But she was the best candidate, could have given the offer to someone else, but they would be faced with the same dilemma, and same moral struggle, no matter who you pick, so why not offer it to whose best suited for it? And that was Pyrrha. On the flip side, before Pyrrha had to make a choice ozpin had to choose, he could have let the maiden powers transfer to cinder when the current maiden died, but that would put thousands if not more at risk of harm, Ozpin had to make the same difficult choice Pyrrha did before he even offered it to her, the only difference is that by now Ozpin has had more experience in making and dealing with difficult choices than anyone. "I've made more mistakes than any man, woman and child on this planet..."
@eternalcreation6162
6 жыл бұрын
The choice is made when you decide to become a huntsmen. In my opinion its like the military in real life. The main difference is that they have to make the choice sooner because its not just learning to use a firearm. Its learning an entire fighting style for a weapon and manipulating a magic force to enhance your abilities. The choice is made early yes but once your in its not always clear what your fighting for. You fight for what you believe and until Ozpin proves that what he wants is misaligned with what you as the huntsman want. You will continue to fight
@bplatinumpaladin
6 жыл бұрын
What if Ozpin lied. His Cane is the Choice relic. He can cause others to choose what he wants. He can choose to tell them a lie, and have them choose to believe it. There's also the Chekov Gun from s1 Yang says, "He didn't seem all there" maybe because he knew none of them had their own choice? Just my theory.
@the8u9
6 жыл бұрын
Love the video :) but it's not an illusion of choice. It's just the hard choice that some characters were brave enough to make. There are many people making a choice to stand with Ozpin and his shadiness or Salem and her destructiveness. Those who don't, like Raven, make a choice to only look after her own. Even at the cost of abandoning her husband, daughter, and brother. --Leo Lionheart made a choice too and betrayed all of the huntsmen under him. --Weiss and Winter leave their cushy lives as princesses to fight, while Whitley is fine with being at home and following Jaques. --Blake chooses to leave the white fang, she chooses to run away even when Yang needed her there. --Ghira and Kali choose to be pacifists instead of violent like Adam and lose control of the organization they started. --Sienna Khan refuses outside help, Adam does and kills her. Which Hazel didn't even want to happen, it was Adam's choice --Yang chooses to leave her old personality behind when her eyes change color as she runs by mercury grabbing her prosthetic --Ironwood decides to depose Ozpin and creates the scenario where all the Atlassian tech goes haywire --Pyrrha makes the ultimate choice. She chose the world over herself and love. We all know because of that kiss. Furthermore, because you focused on Pyrrha I'll focus as well. She's based on Achilles. The man who chose to die in battle instead of living a long life, knowing full well that it would happen. Pyrrha was thrust in a very bad situation, but in actuality Cinder rescued her from that choice by shooting Amber and finishing the job. Pyrrha's REAL choice, which SHE made even though Ozpin told them to just run away and Jaune screamed NO DON'T DO THIS, was to go fight Cinder and die trying. Lastly, and most disturbing, is Summer Roses's words to Ruby which talks about choice: This bedtime story ends with misery ever after The pages are torn, and there’s no final chapter I didn’t have a choice, I did what I had to do; I made a sacrifice, but forced a bigger sacrifice on you I know you've lived a nightmare; I caused you so much pain But baby, please don’t do what I did; I don’t want you to waste your life in vain Summer had no choice, but she wants Ruby to choose freely. And Ruby decided that she'll go save the world.
@autumnwolverton4154
6 жыл бұрын
The thing is, even though I agree with all this and think that very few characters in this story ever had a meaningful choice, I can't really say that what Ozpin is doing is wrong. Everything he does, he does to protect man/faunuskind and save lives. He uses the Huntsman Academies to create child soldiers because indoctrinating children with the ideals of selfless heroism at a young age is the most reliable way to create warriors who will consistently choose to fight against Salem's forces - which leads to them protecting the Kingdoms, and saving lives. He guilted Pyrrha into sacrificing her individual consciousness to become the Fall Maiden because it was the best way to ensure that she would say yes, and she was the best candidate - meaning that she could use those powers to fight the most effectively and save the most lives. He convinces Oscar to take on the life of a Huntsman, as well as conveniently failing to mention that he's effectively going to die when his consciousness fully integrates with Ozpin's, so that he can get the most possible use out of this new reincarnation - which he can use to counteract the turmoil that Salem has thrown the Kingdoms into, protect the relics, and save lives. Even if many of these characters are just Ozpin's chess pieces, he's undoubtedly using them for the greater good. But he really ought to shut up about how much of a choice he's giving people like Pyrrha. He's sacrificing their free will for the greater good, he should at least own up to it.
@danielmajor3777
6 жыл бұрын
Well, choices are an illusion in a way. I define "choice" solely as "the act of making a decision". And decisions are predetermined by your character/nature/trait/temper, your knowledge, and your environment. Because that is what you use to choose.
@Sanya6496
4 жыл бұрын
Ozpin never was trustworthy, not after he started keeping secrets from Salem the first time he reincarnated. He could have easily avoided this by refusing to help the god of light after all.
@Wolfeson28
6 жыл бұрын
While I can certainly agree that Oscar never really had any choice, I think the question of choice as it relates to the students has another layer to it. There's another choice that each of the students made, a choice that was a prerequisite for all of the other choices discussed here: the choice to enroll at Beacon and become a huntsman/huntress in the first place. That was a choice that each of the students made of their own free will, a choice to take up a profession that entailed risking and possibly even sacrificing their lives to protect others. Now, the natural counter-argument is how could these 17-year-olds (or 15) possibly make such a huge decision in an informed manner? However, keep in mind what we know about these characters. Out of the 8 members of RWBY and JNPR, Ruby, Yang, and Ren have all lost loved ones who were either huntsmen or the closest equivalent (you can also add Nora into this group, since she was present for the attack that killed Ren's family). These characters know from close personal experience what the cost of a career as a huntsman can be. Jaune has a family tradition of being huntsmen or warriors going back four generations, and so he probably knows more about that life than just the glamorous side of it (think about people who grow up with family members in the military). Blake may not have any direct experience with huntsmen that we know of, but certainly no one could say that she's naive or uninformed about the "real world". Likewise, even though Weiss' upbringing has been sheltered in some ways, she also shows that she understands quite a bit about the ugly side of the world beyond the mansion walls. The only one of the main 8 that we don't have as much background on is Pyrrha, but the other 7 all clearly have substantial context to understand the full implications of being a huntsman/huntress, and made a conscious and relatively informed decision to pursue that career anyway. Several scenes throughout the series (most notably in v2e10, Mountain Glen) emphasize that the main characters recognize the implications of that choice, and that they accept what they've chosen even though they don't have every detail worked out. Ruby's fangirl moment in the very first episode notwithstanding, the main characters don't seem to have any illusions about the career they've chosen to pursue. Now, obviously that doesn't mean that there isn't any manipulation going on. The symbolism of that is plainly evident almost from the beginning, with the use of chess pieces as the "relics" they're assigned to retrieve in the Emerald Forest. So yes, the students are implicitly accepting their roles as pieces in a game played by Ozpin and Salem. However, while the students don't understand the details of that game at the time (and arguably still don't know all the details), it is important to remember that they did understand in general terms that they were entering a "game" that very well could have life-and-death consequences, and each of them freely chose to do so.
@jewlbunny
5 жыл бұрын
There is a choice. It's just that our choices have consequences. The question is, are we willing to face the consequences of making the wrong choice?
@FoxYinnyy
5 жыл бұрын
This is why I was soo mad while watching Volume 3. It was soo stupid to dump all this responsibility on a student, a non Adult!! It's just not right. To see Pyrrha struggle because of that, it really pains me...
@xavierstewart5756
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I think it was a mistake on RT’s part on killing Pyrrha off. I think what they should’ve done is keep her around and give out more character development for her and Jaune in their relationship with each other. I was mad that they didn’t even bother to expand their relationship. I think to me it was poor planning on Ozpin’s part on dumping all this responsibility on Pyrrha.
@ryanbolin1858
6 жыл бұрын
"I've made more mistakes than any man, woman or child on this planet..." Every hard decision these kids have had to make, Ozpin has had to make himself several times over, the difference is by now he has become so used to making and dealing with difficult choices.
@mmmirei
5 жыл бұрын
I remember when I started watching RWBY, and I was like, “oh! Ozpin is like the kind, wise one who can do know wrong!” But then, so many things started happening. And now I can’t trust him. He’s manipulating people behind the veil of the “kind, wise one who can’t do no wrong” and I don’t like that. He’s deceiving all of us. Not just the characters, but the viewers. This show goes so much deeper than I though it would go.
@Fureiji88
6 жыл бұрын
ultimately yes there is a choice. regardless of ulterior motives and the illusion of choice you have to choose to either run and hide or stand your ground and fight even if just to prove this was your own choice. it's the same thing when you choose to sign up for actual military. you don't choose where you really go or who you may end up killing over the course of your career but you chose to walk the path of a soldier. humanity in general is always viewed as weak which is why you have public masses quick to blame someone when things go wrong. bottom line yes, i do believe there is a choice. even if the choices were like pyrrha's case she still had to make a choice for herself since the illusion of choice is a gamble where unless ozpin has been using beacon academy's relic to influence choices then you have a valid argument.
@absanchez777
6 жыл бұрын
Freddy Gutierrez watch this comment attract so many Ozpin haters
@Fureiji88
6 жыл бұрын
probably.
@glich6035
6 жыл бұрын
no salam is and has always been humanity's problem they are called grimm and also you think that before the acadamies were built children weren't taught to fight and sent to die that's laughable it would actually be far more necessary back then to have kids who can take care of themselves if the Grimm show up and all that and on several points you made I think ren and nora most likely being the only survivors including children from thier village would like some words that's the problem with some of your videos you make good points and I can enjoy them but at times and this happens a lot when you talk about ozpin you seem to have a idea in your head about how things are and then make excuses for yourself/to yourself I typically see this kinda behaviour in reactors who have watched something before hand and to make themselves look smart go off on a "theory" tangent that amounts to what sounds like nothing but excuses for why they "think" that when its just they already know whatever their talking about in your case it's like you have a idea of what's right in your head and are then grasping at straws and ignoring other things that might contradict it to prove yourself right at times and it can make you hard fo watch it's why I try to avoid your videos when ozpin pops up because I think a lot of people would come to the same conclusion that you might have a bit of a hate boner for the man( not trying to offend you just putting this out there like I said I enjoy your videos but at times you can be kinda headache enducing far to, straight laced? maybe is the words for it or a type of narrow mindedness and that can lead to problems taking you seriously)
@goldenbrigain7031
5 жыл бұрын
I believe there was a mix here, Ozpin designed the world as it was today in order to create the strongest option he felt possible to quell the grimm and fight salem, but he also never informed humanity of what the real threat was or gave them the opportunity to fight with a full hand in not telling them about magic. You cannot make a full decision without all the knowledge necessary, and Ozpin arranged things to destroy that possibility.
@cripplingdoubt7375
6 жыл бұрын
Once u decide to be a huntsman the option of choice is negated, simple
@whiskeyhound
6 жыл бұрын
Except they can choose to quit being huntmen (raven), take a possibly permanent break due to life issues (Tai Yang), become mercenaries that hire themselves out instead of choosing to be soldiers for the kingdom that trained them, that sounds like a few options to me.
@absanchez777
6 жыл бұрын
WhiskeyHound lmao fucking rekt
@charlottewalnut3118
5 жыл бұрын
WhiskeyHound What do you want someone who is that broken fighting monsters that are attracted by depression that’s a horrible idea
@Yomega360
6 жыл бұрын
Salem isn't *just* Ozpin's problem. Salem is humanity's problem. She wants to destroy humanity. It's debatable whether Ozpin is even technically human, so he many not even *need* to fight for humanity. He's not raising an army for his "agenda," he's teaching humanity to defend themselves against their mortal enemy, and it's definitely necessary. Do you really think a world where everyone lives like the Branwen Tribe is better than a world with Kingdoms protected by Huntsmen? More to the point, I'd argue that every Huntsman and Huntress absolutely had a choice to be so. Nobody forced them to join the academies and become warriors. There are plenty of people in Remnant who *aren't* warriors, and nobody ever shames them for that. The life they choose has risks, but Remnant needs Huntsmen, it needs people to fight against Salem, because she threatens to destroy it all, and so I'd argue that people *should* choose to fight. If anyone is taking away humanity's choice, it's not Ozpin. It's Salem. She's the reason the Huntsmen have to exist in the first place. She's forcing them to fight and die to protect their family and their people. All the more reason to join Ozpin, and fight.
@jackbishop8610
6 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of people agree with Fang here, but I have to disagree. Yeah, Pyrrha was justice oriented. Ozpin knew what choice she would make. But knowing someones intentions isn't cause for belief of manipulation. Ozpin, as I see it, just told her the facts. If you do this, it could go horribly wrong. If you do the alternative, THAT could go horribly wrong. She chose one, and it went horribly wrong in a way that no one expected, character wise. The second issue, I really think is a case of oddity, I mean I don't see any confirmed information where the kingdom is tailor made to encourage Hunters as a common job. The reason there ARE hunters is to specialize in killing the monsters, because as seen in Rens town, there are many a monster that normal people can't fight. Yes the kingdoms have existed for long without the Hunters, but you can't assume they didnt have problems, especially considering Mountain Glen, Ren's backstory, and the general confirmation that you can't have a long lasting civilisation outside of the main kingdoms, even with Hunter patrols. As for being Ozpins fight against Salem, that could be a possibility, but it's more than likely not the case, as we don't see any proof of hunters provided with missions dealing with anything but Grim intentionally, ignoring those who are handpicked by Ozpin to know about Salem.
@Midsomnyx
6 жыл бұрын
It's still a choice, even if the alternative is a worse scenario. She could have asked if there was another candidate, or refused if only to gather support so they could hunt down the person who attacked Amber. Simplistically, you could choose to jump in front of a train to save a doctor who could save hundreds of lives, and an honorable person like Pyrrha would do it in a heartbeat, but saying the person didn't have a choice because the alternative was watching the doctor die and potentially sacrificing other people's lives for your own is more of a question of morality than free will.
@dDeckon
6 жыл бұрын
I have a Theory: What if Gretchen Rainart{Hazel's little sister} was only a 1st Year??? ~~Back in V2, Team RWBY tried to take a Mission that was above their Year Grade. It was Ozpin that gave them the OK and told them to Listen to the Huntsman assigned to them. What if, There was No "Assigned Huntsman" for 1st Years back then? Ozpin purposefully did the same thing he did for Team RWBY with Gretchen's Team, but without the Extra Protection of a Huntsman...
@EngineScypex
6 жыл бұрын
Even if he would have send RWBY without a huntsmen and they've died: they wanted to be there and they knew fully well, that there's a good chance to meet the White Fang. Also: remember they thinking about "breaking the rules"?
@dDeckon
6 жыл бұрын
You didn't really read the comment, Because it wasn't about Team RWBY. ~I was saying, What if Ozpin "Broke the Rules" for Gretchen's Team, like he did for Ruby's? However, since Gretchen was Killed, Going on a Mission she was never suppose to, Ozpin was blamed for this. To Increase Safety for 1st years{who are Under trained/Not as Experienced Children}, Ozpin{either forced by new Regulations or his own decision} began pairing them with Huntsman for their first mission. That way, If something were to happen to them, It's the Huntsman that would be taking the Blame/responsibility
@EngineScypex
6 жыл бұрын
You could just apply team RWBY 1:1 to them? Your point was, that Gretchen's team - much like team RWBY - was sent to a mission she's not supposed to do. I did rather just changed team RWBY in place, because we do have a full set of circumstances, while with team Gretchen, we do not have anything.
@assyrianprincess3
6 жыл бұрын
Theres always a choice. Whether you like the outcome of the choice or not is irrelevant. You can be 99.9% right about Pura doing the right thing but there still a 0.1% chance that you could be wrong. For example choosing to save 1 million people over one person sounds logical, however in the Matrix Neo chose to save the love of his life if it meant possibly sacrificing all of Zion. Most people would frown upon that choice, but it was still a choice. Everything in life is a choice. It’s all about personal preference and how you carry yourself as a human being.
@bman296
6 жыл бұрын
when you live for several thousand years you kind of get an understanding of people and who to ask in a dire situation. Like pyrrha ozpin knew shed make the right choice because of her sense of judgement. Ask anybody else and they wouldve outright said no. Its not they didnt have a choice, its the fact that ozpin choose people who would make the right ones
@thegamingartistcalvinmoore5180
6 жыл бұрын
No there was never a choice. The minute Ozpin gave the four maidens their powers, he literally screwed the world over.
@DemonicMonkey88
6 жыл бұрын
For Oscar and Pyrrha? no. Ozpin likely can't control who's head he ends up in, he's like the male equivalent of the maidens XD and Nikko's was pressured into doing it, but the choice was technically there.
@leoryff979
6 жыл бұрын
There is always a choice. Whether or not you see it that way mostly depends on your morality.
@charlottewalnut3118
5 жыл бұрын
If I tell her mother that she can either murder 30 people or let her child die did I give her a choice or did I give her something that I knew she would do because her instincts compel her to do something
@pathetic2399
5 жыл бұрын
No there isn’t. Not in RWBY anyway. We’re not talking about the real world. We’re talking about in the show and clearly none of the characters had a real choice in what they had to do. The show is set to progress in one way without any real deviances (Except for pandering in the latter seasons) but constantly gives off an illusion that the characters had a choice in the matter and “chose” to do what is perceived to be the right thing.
@konstellashon1364
5 жыл бұрын
So when Ruby said "We didn't want to steal from you, but you gave us no choice!" you should disagree, then.
@thegidzor8612
6 жыл бұрын
It seems like the more distant you are from Ozpin (nomatter if you're going to Beacon Academy) the more choice/options you have, the closer the are the less choice you get (like Pyrrha) so... Why trust Ozpin again if he has that kind of strategy planned already?
@Dave175
6 жыл бұрын
Oscar got forced by Ozpin's constant mental influence. Anything he does beyond the moment he leaves is just brainwashing.
@teroslarone1171
6 жыл бұрын
Dave175 Does ozpin have any controle over who he bonds with?
@Dave175
6 жыл бұрын
He doesn't seem to get to pick, but he clearly has mental control over that person.
@teroslarone1171
6 жыл бұрын
Dave175 T We know his reincarnation abillity was forced upon him and he seems willing to just advice the bonded person unless he think that they‘re not able to handle it.
@gigas115
6 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty interesting video. However, it makes me think that, the more dire the situation- the more a choice will tip the scale, the less of a true choice that the individual will be asked to make, and that's something you brought up on both sides of this. Those that think they'll just be fighting Grimm have a more lax decision. There's no real pressure to be a hunter, since there are plenty of people who can do that job. The people who know about Salem and all that, however, will feel obligated to help in this fight or live in utter fear because instead of strong beasts and maybe their homes, they would have to contend with a godlike being for the fate of their world.
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