Happy April Fools! Also, for all of you non-nautical enthusiast visitors to my channel, "Berth" can mean a place for a ship to dock so the thumbnail wasn't a typo. Thanks for stopping by! I've wanted to make this video for awhile, and currently I have a video in production about the commercialization of Titanic and why I call her the "RMS Clickbait," so stay tuned for that too.
@rileythorndike3288
2 жыл бұрын
You’re a Freemason! That’s so cool.
@shaynewheeler9249
2 жыл бұрын
RMS titanic boiler room 4 hot down here
@theshyguitarist
Жыл бұрын
You essentially proved the theory correct. The only thing you left out was how the ships were basically made to look very similar...which was true and has been explained in other videos. Thanks for the great work. 🥸😀
@NauticalStudy
Жыл бұрын
@@theshyguitarist nice b8
@jadebel7006
Жыл бұрын
Errrm well your incorrect about the moon thing..its not a conspiracy that the moon landing footage was fake and remade that is a known fact and something that has never been secret..they admitted it but said the original broadcast was real, and all footage broadcast after that after that was a re creation..apparently original footage was just "lost" after the 1st showing ..these are all facts..the conspiracy is wether the ORIGINAL footage ..NONE of us have seen or have access too was real ..do I believe it? Idk I dont care enough too lool
@grantlathrop6837
2 жыл бұрын
Counter-conspiracy: maybe the real Olympic-class liners were the friends we made along the way
@olgasilva9442
7 ай бұрын
I like that one
@CocoHutzpah
2 жыл бұрын
I've seen some people claim the fake Titanic sank because they saw a picture with two Titanics in it. They genuinely didn't know the Olympic existed.
@ukaszwalczak1154
Жыл бұрын
I mean, most don't know that Titanic sank in 1912, so, ehh, kinda makes sense if you look at it, but stil, kinda dumb-
@Danny-us6ut
Жыл бұрын
So they were going to sacrifice 1000 people possibly get sued lose their reputation
@aj6954
10 ай бұрын
For many years we knew about Titanic, but always thought of it as a one-off ship, no-one said any different, so it was a bit of a surprise when we discovered that there was a sister ship. In the early years following the sinking, Olympic was still there as a reminder, but after that one was scrapped in 1935, they wanted to forget all about Titanic and the White Star Line which by that time had been taken over by Cunard. Under normal circumstances it would just have become another historical item, but it always seemed there was something different about it which set it apart from other disasters.
@HyperVegitoDBZ
2 жыл бұрын
One more proof is the fact that in Harland and Wolf every item belonging to a particular ship had a number embedded on it. Like 401 in this case. So, to cover this perfectly, they would have to somehow fit normally lasting 8 months process of fitting The Olympic, into few weeks, switch what already was in Titanic, and somehow make no traces of this operation whatsoever.
@drby0788
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. EVERY piece of furniture, dishes, etc had that number on it. It would probably cost just as much for the switch as they would collect in the scam lol. Just nonsensical
@EmilyCorradino
Жыл бұрын
Also, they wouldn't have anticipated the submarine technology we have today. They certainly wouldn't have expected us to bring stuff up from the wreck. If they had switched the ships, they probably wouldn't have bothered. The passengers wouldn't be able to see the yard number, so what's the point? The fact that everything on the wreck has 401 on it is undeniable proof that it's titanic. If anything, refitting Olympic with all of Titanics interiors and machinery, and adding the new spaces like the cafe parisian would have probably been more expensive than just fixing Olympic.
@jwm5165
6 ай бұрын
The right hand propeller was the only part with 401 engraved on it, not everything
@gokulgopan4397
4 ай бұрын
@@jwm5165 only that blade's marking is visible. Watertight door gear shaft, cabinets, wrench, etc have been recovered and found with 401.
@Tigerrfeet
4 ай бұрын
Olympic was so damaged that she sailed on for for 24 years
@DerpyPossum
2 жыл бұрын
i remember a portion of Gareth Russell’s book, “The Ship Of Dreams”, where he describes the switch theory as *“…a historical theory so painfully ridiculous that one can only lament the thousands of trees which lost their lives to provide the paper on which it has been articulated.”* which i think is an absolute perfect description.
@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly these kind of consperacy theories are so dumb it actually mentally hurts to believe people come up with it and believes its actual fact -_-.
@cfgeneric7677
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent and the fact that people lost their lives on the Titanic makes it worse in my opinion.
@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent
2 жыл бұрын
@@cfgeneric7677 Oh in the worst way possible. It disrespects history. It disrespect tragedy. It disrespects the lives of those that died or were affected by the disaster.
@jacenkun2931
Жыл бұрын
The the low IQ of postings of people who need to agree with the narrative. Must agree with government story must agree with mainstream me a story. Must conform if you don't you're dumb you have to be dumb like me. How dare you think that deletes would kill millions of people. LOL it's hurting my brain how I'm surrounded by low IQ people the Eugenics people are correct I hope you all took your shots
@thewrightfamily369
Жыл бұрын
And than the bankers passed the federal reserve and your printed money is print with absolutely no gold backing and you pay the interest! Wake up! Idiot!
@Johnstone_Studios
2 жыл бұрын
Australia isn't real either. All those "liners" that went to Australia we're just transporting prisoners and dumping them in the ocean. (Happy April Fools!)
@RAAFLightning1
2 жыл бұрын
As an australian i can confirm this is true
@maho_nishizumi_tigertank
2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes The RMS clickbait and her “scandal”
@banjo3960
2 жыл бұрын
thank you, I just got a bag of chips and didnt know what to watch while eating it!
@wallacealex4638
2 жыл бұрын
Not even mentioning the fact that they aren't fully identical and people would for sure notice if they were switched
@yomommaahotoo264
2 жыл бұрын
Yea sure....and the apollo moon landings were real too
@HazmatUnit
2 жыл бұрын
I would think captain smith would of realized it was the Olympic
@andrewmitchell5807
2 жыл бұрын
@@HazmatUnit wouldn't he have been in on it?
@HazmatUnit
2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewmitchell5807 that would be a good question
@mr.snezok
Жыл бұрын
It is said, the firemen who worked at the boilers quit almost entirely prior to Titanic's maiden voyage. As well as some 50 wealthy passengers got cold feet just before the journey.
@AndyHappyGuy
2 жыл бұрын
A guest speaker at my school called Ever Green and all the other cargo ships like it “Ocean Liners”… I’m traumatized.
@ukaszwalczak1154
2 жыл бұрын
I mean, technically it is correct, but it also isn't-
@Daniel_Huffman
2 жыл бұрын
Her name wasn’t Evergreen; that was the name of her owners. The ship is actually named CS _Ever Given._
@AndyHappyGuy
2 жыл бұрын
@@Daniel_Huffman k
@johnwalters4792
2 жыл бұрын
A great liar can make anything sound convincing. Even total bollocks.
@HyperVegitoDBZ
2 жыл бұрын
To sell a lie, you need to believe your lie
@starrsmith3810
2 жыл бұрын
If anything Ismay actually helped with getting people into lifeboats before he got off the ship.
@Kaidhicksii
2 жыл бұрын
Which is exactly what happened, because he was seen helping in getting people into lifeboats. He didn't get off until there were no more people left to help, and he stepped into the last one available (at least where he was). Someone had to survive anyway to testify before the courts, since Smith and Andrews both died in the sinking. A Night to Remember did a perfect job depicting Ismay as he was that night imo. It is the lack of depicting him as faithfully that is one of many reasons on why I'm not a huge fan of Cameron's film.
@CJODell12
Жыл бұрын
Ismay had a falling out with William Randolph Hearst, who owned the majority of American newspapers at the time. Thus Hearst used his media empire to destroy his enemy’s life.
@starrsmith3810
Жыл бұрын
@@Kaidhicksii I love James Cameron’s Titanic but yeah, it’s certainly guilty of putting filmmaking above accuracy at some points. The worst example though is William Murdoch I think.
@starrsmith3810
Жыл бұрын
@@CJODell12 yet another reason to despise William Hearest.
@galatheumbreon6862
2 жыл бұрын
a tiny sidenote/correction, Isidor actually supported the creation of the federal reserve, it was well documented at the time when he announced his support
@fionawimber1028
2 жыл бұрын
I knew this was going to be good when I first saw the title and I am not disappointed! I take no greater pleasure than hearing a historian burn conspiracy theorists.
@NauticalStudy
Жыл бұрын
You have a lot of faith labeling me a historian but I appreciate it nonetheless
@michaelbujaki2462
2 жыл бұрын
You had me in the first half, not going to lie. At least you told the truth in the end.
@CrazyBrosCael
2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to make a video on the Rms Servia, or Rms Umbria and Etruria? If not then perhaps you could one day make a video on ships you want to cover but which don’t have enough information to make a full-length video?
@thomzajac5411
Жыл бұрын
I'm not saying this is fact, but there are compelling reasons to suspect it may be true..... Titanic's identical twin, The Olympic (which was completed and launched before The Titanic) had been mortally damaged in a terrible collision with the HMS Hawke. Repairs had been made, but the ship was not truly seaworthy. And so, the Oympic's and Titanic's name were covertly switched, with the idea being to scuttle "The Titanic" for the insurance money (which they did indeed get), with all the passengers and crew to be rescued by another White Star ship, The SS Californian.
@Dizzy19.
Жыл бұрын
Please don't say it's fact, cos it most certainly isn't.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
1). Olympic was so 'mortally damaged' that she had been repaired and was back on her Atlantic run by late November, 1911, when Titanic was far from complete. 2). Olympic & Titanic cost £1.5 million each to build. Both were insured for £1 million, which is what Lloyds paid out. Thus, White Star lost £500,000 and their reputation for safety when she sank. 3). Californian was a Leyland Line, not a White Star, ship, and a less suitable ship than a smallish, fully laden, freighter, for a rescue ship could hardly be imagined. 4). Which Switcher video did you watch and swallow unquestioningly?
@rawallen9715
Жыл бұрын
The SS Californian was owned by the Leyland Line, not the White Star Line.
@kidmohair8151
2 жыл бұрын
"...innocent businessmen..." an oxymoron if *ever* there was one (comment for the algo-guy)
@AlunThomas-mp5qo
Жыл бұрын
Looking at this logically, a ship has been in a minor collision with another ship and suffered minor damage for which their insurance company has rejected their claim and refused to pay for the repairs. Instead of repairing the damage and paying for it themselves the shipping company concoct an a scam to disguise this ship as another and deliberately sink it in the Atlantic Ocean so that they can claim the cost of procuring a new ship. An act like this would really annoy their insurance company as well as their current and future passengers and would result in their insurance premium skyrocketing and their passenger bookings plummeting. So they would lose far more money as well as their reputation for safety and quality. I cannot imagine any business executive dreaming up such a ridiculous scam.
@waynedaub1889
8 ай бұрын
Major damage
@AndyHappyGuy
2 жыл бұрын
I was confused about why you made a video about this myth that was debunked long ago, then I checked the date.
@TheDarkgunner23
Жыл бұрын
This is brilliant. I love your scripts. And poor Olympic, not even my grandma remembers her.
@historyarmyproductions
2 жыл бұрын
That was thoroughly entertaining, thank you lol.. You make great stuff.
@lewis7315
2 жыл бұрын
The titanic switch theory can never be proved... It is a fascinating thought...
@DECIMUS771
Жыл бұрын
You didn't debunk the footage of the name repaint on the stern!? I wonder why?
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
What footage of the name repaint on the stern?
@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY
10 ай бұрын
It was definitely the Titanic that sank, not the Olympic. The only thing the Titanic and Olympic had switched were their original captains and if those two ships were to have been switched, there’s no way they would’ve gotten away with it without everyone noticing. They weren’t 100% identical and the Olympic looked exactly the same after the Titanic disaster as she did before and the Titanic’s window shapes, numbers, and more were the same on her wreck as they were when she was first built and they both had their names engraved on their sides and written in dozens if not hundreds of other places on them. If they were to have disguised the Olympic as the Titanic and the Titanic as the Olympic, they would’ve had to work on those two ships a lot longer than they did before letting them leave for New York City to do big investigations on their names, numbers, windows, and much more to ensure that the Titanic’s appearance matched the Olympic’s and the Olympic’s matched the Titanic’s.
@PassiveSmoking
2 жыл бұрын
Olympic didn't acquire the "old reliable" nickname until the war (where she earned it by being one of the most reliable troop ships for shipping American troops from Halifax to the front). Prior to that, she actually had quite a few teething troubles, aside from the aforementioned collisions, she also had trouble with her propellers.
@NauticalStudy
2 жыл бұрын
I addressed that in the video
@AndyHappyGuy
2 жыл бұрын
Someone didn't watch the whole way through.
@Kaidhicksii
2 жыл бұрын
The short answer is *no.* XD You had me there though when you pretended to end the video. This was also the first time I've seen the "footage" of the wreck showing the name "Olympic" painted under "Titanic." The CGI is so terrible and so obvious that I could feel my insides coil from disgust. It is my opinion that all these myths and conspiracies about the Titanic, well-intentioned and ill-intentioned, are nothing more and nothing less than an attempt to make excuses for an unthinkable disaster that was a long time coming. There was no fatal flaw, there was no speed record attempt, and there certainly was no insurance scheme. None of that. The sinking of the Titanic was the combination of an act of God and human hubris which were bound to come together at some point or another.
@thestonedabbot9551
2 жыл бұрын
Virgin iceberg believers vs Chad Russian submarine knowers
@mactherebellionleader5394
2 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video about Germanic and the Britannic I, I saw they dont have many vids about them and probably have a good story.
@yourbigpalal83
2 жыл бұрын
AMEN BROTHER....I'M SO SICK OF THIS STUPID ASS THEORY!
@NauticalStudy
Жыл бұрын
Just gotta add that turns out those three guys Ismay "tried to kill off" apparently did not even oppose the fed.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Indeed. The myth was invented in the 1990s. The opinions of Astor & Guggenheim were never made known, which Straus in October 1911 had spoken in favour of the Fed.
@KyoOnTheInternet
2 жыл бұрын
When I clicked, I genuinely thought it was real, until I saw the date
@louiedelk592
2 жыл бұрын
“Do not trust online conspiracy theories unless they involve the Freemasons, because I garuntee you all of those are true.” -2022
@DennisMook-ky6lx
4 ай бұрын
If it was switched why is there a big Titanic name written across the ship at the bottom of the ocean
@Daniel-m5x
Ай бұрын
I saw the title and I inmediatly thinked: "Holy Sh¡t"
@Carcharodon003
2 жыл бұрын
It’s currently 12:39 am where I live but I don’t care , I’m watching this…sleep is for the weak, I need more Nautical knowledge!
@AndyHappyGuy
2 жыл бұрын
12:39 a.m, it is an hour after the collision with the iceberg. The steam has been vented and the lifeboats are being prepared…
@SpaceHCowboy
Жыл бұрын
Eh, naw. Its been proven by exploring the Titanic that hundreds of pieces of the ship have the number "401" on them, The Titanics number, funnily enough.
@redstarline4250
2 жыл бұрын
Titanic month is here-
@Nakosuke-75
2 жыл бұрын
Titanic is actually on the moon
@davinp
2 жыл бұрын
No, a weekend would not have been enough time to switch them as there would have been a lot of things to move from Titanic to Olympic that had the name on it. Also, both ships were not completely identical
@IgnitedDevs
2 жыл бұрын
this is an April Fools joke
@ToddyTornado
Жыл бұрын
No, it was only names on life belts and life boats. Everything else was standard white star line issued. Plus they had a ton of people doing it
@mrsaturngamingandstories
2 жыл бұрын
Questions for the Q&A 1. Or you think any ocean liners are ugly 2. Do you think titanic should barely be called the RMS clickbait
@red-whitestarline
Жыл бұрын
Missing a lot of information which disproves the switch theory including the 401-400 plates but good video nonetheless
@bobmendez7861
8 ай бұрын
Explain away the professional Sailors that Could tell it was listing you're misinformed on the significant amount of damage by the hawk who was clearly at fault
@dovetonsturdee7033
8 ай бұрын
Which 'professional sailors?' I assume you can refer readers to their testimony? By the way, the Olympic/Hawke collision was deemed to be the fault of a Solent Pilot in charge of Olympic at the time. Two compartments were damaged. Olympic returned to Harland & Wolff, was fully repaired, and returned to her Atlantic duties ib late November, 1911, when Titanic was still four months from completion.
@honda900000
7 ай бұрын
Or maybe they have no computers to balance the ship perfectly... One or two degree listings were normal those days. There is independent verification of the extent of the damage. Harry Roscoe a consulting naval architect with over 25 years experience of surveying damage to large steamers. Roscoe acknowledged the following description: "There is a large triangular hole extending from immediately above the D deck to above 15 feet below that deck...a large penetration in D deck extending inwards about 8 feet...hole below deck pierced by the Hawke’s ram...in position below the larger hole in deck D... broken and indented plating extend over these decks D, E, F, and G...the penetration cease between G, and the orlop deck". Roscoe makes no mention of any damage to the keel, with penetration only 6 to 8 feet. To reach the keel the Hawke would need to penetrate forty-five feet in, and thirty feet below where Hawke hit the Olympic. There was no major damage on the Olympic. End of story.
@dovetonsturdee7033
6 ай бұрын
@@honda900000 Absolutely correct. But please don't annoy these people by referring to mere facts.
@dougg2012
Жыл бұрын
AND THE A-DECK PROMENADE ON BOTH SHIPS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, it’s shocking how little this is mentioned
@NauticalStudy
Жыл бұрын
Did you watch to the end my friend?
@lakebeaustudiosSDM
2 жыл бұрын
A wonderfully done video like always!
@ktmgsxr1
2 жыл бұрын
Nope. A word salad of utter B.S. Mygod what garbage - I can’t believe I watched this let alone comment to it.
@samwecerinvictus
2 жыл бұрын
Well put.
@DoorisJ
Жыл бұрын
Saw a video of a psychic, channelling of Capt Smith. It was very eye opening… he said the ships were switched and thats partly why they couldn’t find a qualified captain… It was an “accident waiting to happen”, he was threatened to keep the ship at full speed, despite a large coal fire and fog. And the screams from the lower decks, the screams
@DoorisJ
Жыл бұрын
Heres the vid /pC9HqDJifVg
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Oh well. If a psychic channelled Edward Smith, it must be unquestionably true, mustn't it? Your psychic needed to do a bit more reading about Smith. The 'unqualified' captain had held a Master's Certificate since 1887, and had been Commodore (senior captain) of the White Star Line since 1904. Still, thanks for your comedy post. Highly amusing.
@JB-od1pi
Жыл бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Don't forget he got his extra master in 1888. He also did not keep the ship at full speed, the coal fire was not that large, or a big deal, and there was no fog.
@user-fq7fb4ps8l
Жыл бұрын
I know that's Titanic at the left because at left side of her giant Constructure tower thingy
@danfuerthgillis4483
Жыл бұрын
You miss the fact that the crew was all cornered off from any newspapers and the company instructed them on what to say about the accident. Basically the crew's story is what gives this scam away. You also missed the fact of the propellers having to be scrapped and would be months before getting back. No member of the crew was allowed to leave the companies offices until the "official" story was set in motion. And you blindly ignore the book "Wreck Of The Titan" which cements the idea of where they got the scam from, that book was published 10 years prior and details the very similar sinking of the Titanic.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Crew survivors were asked not to speak to the Newspapers until after they had given evidence, which was common practice then, and still is. The Inquiry in the US began on 19 April, when the crew survivors were still in New York. 'You also missed the fact of the propellers having to be scrapped and would be months before getting back.' What does this actually mean?
@danfuerthgillis4483
Жыл бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Follow up on the propellers issues and you will see follow the rabbit hole......
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
@@danfuerthgillis4483 I will, if you actually explain what these propellor 'issues' were.
@Official_Kezzie
Жыл бұрын
Also, the Titan’s sinking is very different from Titanic’s. The Titan basically rammed the iceberg, and sunk in five minutes. The Titanic baaaaarely glanced the iceberg, and sunk in almost three hours.
@danfuerthgillis4483
Жыл бұрын
@@Official_Kezzie That's why the stories are similar as natural motions of disasters take on their own timelines.
@Titanicofficer
4 ай бұрын
So it is the titanic ahhhhhhhh I need to know
@kevinryanmccarthy
4 ай бұрын
tragic that it happened. May those souls rest in peace. ❤
@ping9845
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that people really think the Titanic and the Olympic were switched is just sad… only the Titanic and Britannic sank the Olympic was sold for scraps in April 1935
@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, sadly there’s just some in the world who become arrogant for believing theories like this and always refuse to admit when they’re wrong.
@Tigerrfeet
Жыл бұрын
And with a broken spine Olympic sailed on for 24 years! 😅
@Dizzy19.
Жыл бұрын
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest Olympic had a broken keel. She was repaired and was back in service by Nov 1911, with a BoT certificate and full insurance. That would not have happened if her keel was broken.
@Iconoclasher
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Conspiracy lunatics can't answer the simplest of questions: How can 700+ survivors, including 214 surviving crew members NOT know they were sailing on a one year old ship? Some passengers and probably a large percentage of the crew sailed on the Olympic at some point, including the captain and officers. Certainly they would have sensed something about the ship not being in brand new condition. It's impossible to hide a years worth of wear and tear. Just to pass off a one year old car as brand new would be a monumental effort. Point two: Like all conspiracy theories, (moon walk, JFK, etc) this one would take a massive amount of time and labor. You cannot silence that many people! A few can be intimidated but not all! Any one could spill the beans and report the biggest story of the century. There's nothing to report. Something can look like a conspiracy but to PROVE it is a totally different matter.
@ravenbloodommo
Жыл бұрын
Moon proof trump was willing to pay NASA (deception) in Spanish if he played them the amount needed would they be able to go to the moon. They said no we can't because of Earth's protective belt. They found out there was a fire in the boiler room in this titanic or sister ship the Olympic they have documents of this insurance fraud scheme. The people didn't notice on the rich level. But the poor level was as poor would expect so they didn't know so they say. still debatable since the ships were to identically alike. There was a nurse who survived this sinking and two other ship sinkings after she's either lucky/ unlucky or was behind something. And jfk was a Mandela effect people remember the 3 different ways jfk died.
@SobrietyandSolace
Жыл бұрын
I agree with what you’re saying but at the same time, pulling off project MKUltra required the complicity and silence of multiple entire institutions like schools and hospitals. Mind boggling
@michlo3393
Жыл бұрын
The Vsauce intro had me.
@luigivincenz3843
Жыл бұрын
switched at birth
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
So was I. I am really the Holy Roman Emperor.
@timpaszkiewicz7169
2 жыл бұрын
The expansion joints were designed differant. The ones on Olympic are the way there suppose to bvb e.
@AxolochieBMGO
2 жыл бұрын
u guys should tell james cameron to see the sterns name that would be a great idea
@Embracing01
Жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me why in some photos of Titanic at Southampton a few days prior to her maiden voyage it shows workmen being lowered on ropes on one the smoke stack funnels painting the funnel?. Why were they painting the funnels when they would've already been painted back at the Belfast shipyard?. There's a photo taken from the stern from the docks showing about 4 workmen on the fourth funnel painting the funnel.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Where might these photographs be viewed?
@paulcasarez404
Жыл бұрын
The Federal Reserves who was aboard and who wasn't
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't the myth invented about Astor, Guggenheim & Straus in the 1990s really clever? The facts that Astor & Guggenheim never expressed any opinions, whilst Straus supported the Fed. are, of course, a problem, but still, don't let actual truths get in the way of an exciting tale.
@adairjanney7109
4 ай бұрын
JP Morgan innocent businessman, bro my ass. I dont know if it was the Olympic or the Titanic but it was no accident
@dovetonsturdee7033
4 ай бұрын
Presumably the total lack of evidence doesn't concern you at all?
@thomzajac5411
Жыл бұрын
A key element in the sinking of the alleged "Olympic" plan was that all of the passengers were to be rescued by The California. That's where things went tragically wrong.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
As there was no 'Olympic Plan', alleged or not, your comment is irrelevant. Oh, and there was no ship called 'California' either.
@thomzajac5411
Жыл бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 , so righteous. You are correct on one point, however: the ship I misnamed was the SS Californian.... The plan was to scuttle the mortally damaged Olympic (having been switched with the Titanic, its identical twin), rescue all the passengers and crew, and then collect the insurance money. You don't have to agree that that is what happened, but I dare say there are compelling reasons to consider that it did, and there has been no proof otherwise, unless you know something I don't.... And please try to remember that mere assertions are simply assertions until they can be proven to be factual. Strong opinions do not equal strong arguments.Your serve.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
@@thomzajac5411 Simply being factual. Olympic was repaired, after her collision with HMS Hawke, by late November, 1911, and had been back at sea since then. In November 1911, Titanich was several months away from completion. There are even photographs of the two ships together in late October. Olympic is the one in full White Star paintwork, whereas Titanic is partially painted, has parts of her superstructure still not in place, and only one funnel fitted. I wonder how the two could possibly have been 'switched,' as the fantasisist who first made the claim, actually in 1995, proposed? Insurance money? Both ships cost £1.5 million to build, and both were insured for £1 million. Thus, White Star lost £500,000 and their safety record if any insurance scam was involved. Those who make the 'assertions' about the switch are those without any evidence, whilst there is an overwhelming amount of evidence proving that such a thing did not happen. In short. Yes, I do know a lot more about the subject than you. Your 'knowledge' seems to be based on unquestioning acceptance of any of the ludicrous switcher videos infesting the internet.
@thomzajac5411
Жыл бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 , you seem to be stuck on the notion that the only opportunity to switch the ships was immediately after the collision with the Hawke. Your notion is very likely incorrect.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
@@thomzajac5411 Not a notion, simply a fact. The only time the two ships were together again was for three or four days in March, 1912, when Olympic returned to Belfast to have a replacement propeller blade fitted. Titanic was moved out of dry dock, Olympic was placed into the dock, the new blade was fitted, Olympic moved out of dry dock, Titanic re-entered it, and Olympic left for Southampton. Other than that, Titanic was in Belfast completing her build, whilst Olympic was sailing to & fro across the Atlantic. Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that Titanic had partially enclosed 'A' & 'B' decks forward? Something unique to her, and still visible on photographs of the wreck. Or that the number 401 (Titanic) has been detected on a propeller at the wrecksite? Or that after Olympic was scrapped in the mid 1930s, many items were auctioned off, including restaurant furniture to the 'White Swan' Hotel in Alnwick, Northumberland? It remains there to this day, and still has the number 400 (Olympic) marked on it. Or that your imaginary rescue ship, Californian, was already laden with a full 'mixed, general' cargo, bound for Boston?
@jontebonte8703
2 жыл бұрын
I think you should talk about the grounding of the ss princess may. Pretty weird story
@sledgehammerk35
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. No one in the Titanic community takes this theory seriously. It’s such a trash theory, that it’s not even worth arguing about.
@twistedtaurus1979
Жыл бұрын
Wow, that’s really convincing I never even heard of this before but it makes sense. The only thing that doesn’t make sense is why don’t they just put on the correct amount of lifeboats on to help everybody and they didn’t have to lose all those people and still collected the insurance money. Unless they couldn’t put more lifeboats on there because I wouldn’t of matched the other one.🤷♀️
@NauticalStudy
Жыл бұрын
Did you watch to the end?
@Valizan
2 жыл бұрын
Lol. You went a long way for a gag.
@MarksofDistinction
2 жыл бұрын
Is it Bullshit ? Or not ? From the movie Amazon woman on the moon. Love your work
@jimjohnson6944
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine believing the moon landing.
@ussalaska7279
2 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on uss eldridge? Or can you do a video on kms Bismarck?
@rmsteutonic3686
2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on uss Nevada and how it survived 2 nukes?
@user-vh7bq4ph4d
3 ай бұрын
JP Morgan and his cronies exited the ship before it sailed. When was the Federal Reserve established? 2013
@dovetonsturdee7033
3 ай бұрын
I assume you mean 1913? . Morgan, by the way, had announced his plans in March, and they did not involve sailing in Titanic. He actual intention was to visit St. Mark's in Venice, and this intention was announced tn the New York Times in March. Would you like details of the actual date? Between 1904 & 1912, Morgan only twice returned to the US before August, and one of them was to attend a wedding. Why do you think he was under some obligation to sail aboard Titanic? He hadn't been aboard Olympic for her maiden voyage in 1911. Come to that, why do you even give house room to a myth invented in the mid 1990s, without a single shred of supporting evidence?
@craigyl
Ай бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Crikey where do you get so many little JPM details from, were you JPM's personal secretary or something? And why would he "announce" his schedule in the NY Times? I guess you'll also be aware of how his actions kicked-started the Wall St Crash in 1929 and then prolonged the misery of "the Great Depression" too then? The story I've read in various places was that he was indeed booked to travel on that fateful voyage, but at the last minute he was apparently taken ill so didn't show up. Seemingly however not so ill that he couldn't have the incredible foresight to make sure to have his luggage, priceless artifacts & gold removed off the ship just before it set sail. Sadly the 3 main objectors to his federal reserve plan (which gave his cartel of private bankers a "license to print money" and has amassed them countless $$$Trillions since) that had been lured onto the ill-fated voyage weren't so lucky - so yet more amazing "luck" for Mr JPM! Funny what great "luck" these billionaires always seem to have - I'm reminded of that guy who bought the WTC in the summer of 2001 for a bargain price due to all the expensive asbestos removal & renovation work they desperately needed, yet not only did he have the foresight to insure it for double its true value, he also made a last minute choice on 9/11 to go to visit his dermatologist rather than attend his usual daily breakfast meeting in the WTC restaurant! How very "lucky!" As for "without a single shred of supporting evidence" theres TONS of it in the RMS Olympic book by John Hamer if you bother to look.
@mrorangepeel659
2 жыл бұрын
April Fool… it was a good theory a few years ago but too many parts have been recovered numbered 401.
@ukaszwalczak1154
2 жыл бұрын
Short answer: NEIN-
@Michaelmyersalberta
2 жыл бұрын
I have a question what editor do you use?
@James-nl6fu
Жыл бұрын
Business is Business, sunshine❤️
@kmydet
2 жыл бұрын
next video should be making fun of the great eastern
@kerry1979
10 ай бұрын
To Me if it was Switched Scientists would have known & such. They would have made a world Wide announcement that was Olympic down there. Plus difference between the decks of Titanic & Olympic too.
@dovetonsturdee7033
10 ай бұрын
The first suggestion that this happened appeared in 1998, or thereabouts when on Robin Gardiner wrote a book making the claim. Unfortunately, as anyone with any acrual knowledge of the sinking will know, his 'facts' were either distorted or simply made up.
@unnamedgaming7650
2 жыл бұрын
MORE UPLOADS YAY!!!
@themumblebrapper
2 жыл бұрын
YES
@Recroom_updates
4 ай бұрын
Btw as a history nerd myself yes it was the Olympic I even check like 8 Ike’s on a historic site and said it was and I saw pictures so yea ❤😂😂😂😂
@Dizzy19.
4 ай бұрын
Educate yourself as to the differences between the two ships, what they looked like at launch and what happened during their fitting out. That will help you to understand there was no switch.
@stephensmith799
Жыл бұрын
Answer: No.
@ALPHABEASTACE
2 жыл бұрын
If anything white star cut corners making titanic bec the first one was so popular and when the first one needed repairs more of a reason to push on faster because clearly the hull locks worked on olpempic
@dovetonsturdee7033
2 жыл бұрын
White Star didn't make Titanic, Harland and Wolff did. Moreover, Titanic was largely complete before Olympic made her maiden voyage.
@James-kd7dc
Жыл бұрын
Hi. The boats were definitely switched.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Of course, you can prove that? What? You can't. Why am I not surprised?
@Bighead_Joe
Жыл бұрын
“Berth” 😐
@NauticalStudy
Жыл бұрын
Well I thought it was clever.
@chezsnailez
Жыл бұрын
Sure the Olympic was switched with Titanic and deliberately sunk, because declaring the Olympic a total constructive loss to Lloyd's of London wasn't possible...
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Why would White Star think about declaring Olympic a constructive total loss, after she had been fully repaired and been back at sea since November 1911?
@RankKnight16
2 жыл бұрын
Our lord of joke of ships what do you bring our wisdom
@BMan100
2 жыл бұрын
yeah I remember that "documentary" about the switch...... WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT NONSENSE?!?!?
@Scagguy4014
2 жыл бұрын
Finally … an RMS clickbait video
@IxMADMANxl
Жыл бұрын
Yes it’s true
@dylan_daugherty_
2 жыл бұрын
i fell for this theory when i was 9, i cringe at that because it's so bad
@jordanhenshaw
Жыл бұрын
So Olympic is essentially totaled because it needs to be cut in half to properly fix the problem in order to pass inspection (those pesky details nontechnical people gloss over). So its value is essentially zero. They just spent 7 million or something building Titanic. They sink Olympic and tell everyone it was the Titanic. Right now the value of the Olympic hasn’t changed despite going to the bottom of the ocean. Still zero. But then they get an insurance payout of 5 million, plus a brand new Olympic. Now they don’t have a Titanic, but financially the net value went up 5 mil. The 2 mil difference between cost to build Titanic and insurance payout is irrelevant. You need to be looking at the actual value of the ship they actually sunk. In this case that number is considerably lower than 5 mil. So you have a net gain of multiple millions.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Olympic received damage to her starboard quarter, compromising two compartments and a propeller shaft. She returned to Southampton under her own steam for temporary repairs. She then went to H & W at Belfast, where she was fully repaired in around seven weeks. She was back at sea on her Atlantic service by late November, 1911, having been examined by the Board of Trade, and having her insurance confirmed by Lloyds. All this can easily be checked, should you care to make the effort. Your entire post presupposes that Olympic had been written off when she collided with HMS Hawke. There is abundant evidence available to prove that that was not the case.
@jordanhenshaw
Жыл бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Do you know the difference between “The ship is fixed” and “The ship is fixed”? The difference is when that is said behind closed doors by a qualified professional, it means something. However what is said out in public by less than competent people very rarely means anything at all. Most insurance inspectors have no idea what they’re looking at half the time even in apartment buildings. There can be 36 issues staring them right in the face and they’ll be completely oblivious.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
@@jordanhenshaw I didn't write 'fixed' I wrote 'fully repaired.' Harland & Wolff were consummate professionals, being, at the time, one of the most respected shipbuilders in the world. They examined Olympic, quoted for the repairs, and duly carried them out. The repaired ship received full insurance from Lloyds, and passed her BoT inspection. The rest of your post is remarkable. Containing, as it does, precisely nothing to support your original comment.
@jordanhenshaw
Жыл бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Right, and word on the street is the manufacturer said they “fixed it”, but it still has a bad list and won’t pass whatever the certification or government inspection thing was that would come later on.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
@@jordanhenshaw I regret that you find the idea difficult, but Olympic was inspected and certified by the Board of Trade. This was before she returned to her Atlantic service in late 1911. This is simple to check, although of course perhaps you might not want to do that? Oh, & Olympic had no list.
@CJODell12
11 ай бұрын
The whole switch theory bullshit is disrespectful not only to Titanic but to Olympic as well.
@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, and to all of their crew members too.
@peterwalker9525
Жыл бұрын
I asked some serious questions here about what looks to me like proof that the Olympic was exchanged with the Titanic ans gave good references. Instead of answering or debunking what I had found, you simply deleted my post. Are you afraid to answer legitimate questions? Very disappointing.
@NauticalStudy
Жыл бұрын
I don't recall deleting any comments but I apologize if I did. I still, however, will not accept any "proof" that they were swapped, and neither will the experts on the ship's history. If you want channels with more information than mine, check out Historic Travels or Tom Lynskey's channel Part-Time Explorer. I do not have time to go through every single conspiracy theory, and especially not when everybody else has already disproven them 10 times over.
@NauticalStudy
Жыл бұрын
I checked and I have not deleted any comments, and I gave up KZitem for lent so if it was made in the last few weeks I never even had a chance to see it.
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Well. Why not ask again? I am sure I will be able to correct your errors.
@peterwalker9525
Жыл бұрын
I have tried to reply several times, but each time my post disappears. I have sent an email with my response to the channel owner.
@gerrykomalaysia2
2 жыл бұрын
April fools
@vincentgillard359
2 жыл бұрын
Whoop whoop
@MatchingUser
2 жыл бұрын
Haha, good one!
@SoggyNugh
2 жыл бұрын
Lol, looks like a good video
@MaldoMusicTV
Ай бұрын
I'm a Mason🤷♂️
@dovetonsturdee7033
Ай бұрын
Good. I have some brickwork which needs fixing. Would you like to quote for it?
@MaldoMusicTV
Ай бұрын
@@dovetonsturdee7033 that's a stone mason brother
@dovetonsturdee7033
Ай бұрын
@@MaldoMusicTV Perhaps the concept of sarcasm has escaped you?
@MaldoMusicTV
Ай бұрын
@dovetonsturdee7033 perhaps it's not sarcasm if it's two separate concepts mate
@dovetonsturdee7033
Ай бұрын
@@MaldoMusicTV Well, I posted the message, and I know that I was being sarcastic.
@Jimusmc0311
Жыл бұрын
Short answer... insurance $$$..yes it was switched
@dovetonsturdee7033
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Lose £500,000 on the insurance pay out, and destroy your reputation for safety at the same time. How exactly was that a Cunning Plan?
@Embracing01
Жыл бұрын
Alot of things which seem to support the theory of a switch, like all of the strange things happening during the maiden voyage, not least with Capt Smith having not undertaken a lifeboat safety drill on the day of the collision, instead he attended a service in the chapel. This was normal procedure, but for some reason this drill was never carried out. Lots more strange things like passengers noting a listing and vibration, plus many more examples, too many to mention. However, on the otherhand, so many things which go against the switch theory, like all of the subtle and minor differences in the details of each ship, and I'm not talking about the often mentioned A deck enclosed prom vs open prom, but other aspects of each ship which, IMO, would've been impossible to change. One example are the stern portholes; Titanic's stern portholes were spaced apart differently than Olympic's. Every single photo of Titanic and Olympic, right from launch and until her maiden voyage (and with Olympic up until her scrapping in 1937), show the same set of portholes with the same spacing. If there had been a switch with the original Titanic we would see a reversal of the porthole spacing, or at the least some signs that the portholes had been rearranged or altered in some way, but none of the photos I have looked at show any indication that the portholes were changed or swapped around or even covered up, and how would they possibly have changed them I wonder. Maybe someone who is a metal worker or fabricator or who has worked on ships can provide an answer. Photos can be tampered with, of course, but there are just too many photos for all of them to have been doctored.
@DerpyPossum
Жыл бұрын
@@Embracing01 The drill was canceled because of wind, the listing was because of the shifting of the coal (Olympic never listed as a result of the Hawke collision, either), and there are little to no mentions of vibration.
@Embracing01
Жыл бұрын
@@DerpyPossum Why should a lifeboat drill get cancelled because of the wind? makes no sense. I suppose if you consider the switch it wouldn't make sense either, but maybe Smith wasn't bothered because he assumed most of the passengers would be saved when it came to the rescue, which of course never happened due to miscommunication and Californian being in the wrong place. There are passengers who mentioned a vibration, I think one was first class passenger Marion Thayer.
@DerpyPossum
Жыл бұрын
@@Embracing01 It’s also worth mentioning that the drill wasn’t really a lifeboat drill to begin with, but rather a *muster* drill. Passengers were going to be given practice on assembling in the correct locations, but nothing was going to be done with the lifeboats themselves. Which makes sense since, y’know, they were at sea.
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