One trans and 2 men debating on women’s rights Something isn’t right here
@michaelleyland9836
3 жыл бұрын
You mean, one trans and two gay men debating womens rights.
@DannyBoy89
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Get a heterosexual woman on there
@hooksncrosses3419
3 жыл бұрын
You mean 3 men
@DannyBoy89
3 жыл бұрын
@Oscar Shindler exactly! 🤣
@Becks-fi6xl
3 жыл бұрын
All 3 are men
@rileyfozz8077
3 жыл бұрын
It's disturbing that this has been normalised.
@ogcpw4746
3 жыл бұрын
tRuSt tHe sCiEnCe
@ben31uk
3 жыл бұрын
You missing a woman on the panel You can’t debate women’s rights without women
@user-qf6yt3id3w
3 жыл бұрын
I think if they'd got someone on like Posie Parker Ofcom would ding them for allowing 'misgendering' on their station. So they get India Willoughby on for the anti side.
@jen2569
3 жыл бұрын
@@user-qf6yt3id3w nope, stating biological reality is now protected in law so ofcom has to respect and allow the belief in sex based reality - thank you Marion Millar 👍 These 3 men discussing women's rights is just simple old fashioned misogyny
@stevef3336
3 жыл бұрын
Michelle obama, being our first transgender first lady, is an inspiration to all these new transgender athletes.
@user-qf6yt3id3w
3 жыл бұрын
@Danaura Transwoman Shouldn't there be a cis woman on the panel too?
@ethank-l4930
3 жыл бұрын
@@stevef3336 facts
@Niko5black
3 жыл бұрын
All this is insulting to real woman.
@fredo1070
3 жыл бұрын
The average age of an Olympic weightlifter is 25, Laurel was competing at an elite level at the age of 43. And they claim Laurel had no advantage.
@thetruth4654
3 жыл бұрын
You mean besides being biologically a man?
@kaino2470
3 жыл бұрын
Over age, out of shape, controversial. Seems like a publicity stunt hey
@AlaraMonroe
Жыл бұрын
not agreeing or disagreeing, just adding some context that wasnt acknowledged. There have been many cis woman athletes who have competed in the olympics in their 30s and 40s. a few even in their 50s and close to 60. this is far less common with cis men. just some food for thought doesnt really prove or disprove anything
@NickyRikki
3 жыл бұрын
Not one man on this panel knows what it means to be a real woman.
@user-qf6yt3id3w
3 жыл бұрын
IMO the rules on 'misgendering' are basically designed to do this. They could have got someone on like Posie Parker but then if she 'misgendered' anyone talkRadio would get activists complaining to Ofcom who would uphold the complaints. So the net effect is that women get excluded. It's evil.
@goughrmp
3 жыл бұрын
Why are these Biology Deniers being given soo much of airtime.
@megalodon6108
3 жыл бұрын
the sad part of this whole debacle is that another woman was stopped from competing at the games due to 'laurel'. this woman may never get another chance to fulfill her dream.
@paigewatsonx1512
3 жыл бұрын
"I'm just a woman "...No youre not 😂
@ellie5216
3 жыл бұрын
Get Posie Parker on and ask her.
@Hyzenthlay70
4 ай бұрын
Posie wipes the floor with everyone
@AutoAlligator
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Neanderthal here. She is not a woman by any definition other than your own. Treatments such as having cosmetic surgery and taking drugs to alter physiology are available to everyone who wishes to present as the opposite sex. However "presenting" as something is not the same as being and a simple dna test would confirm the truth. If someone wishes to undergo cosmetic surgery as a personal choice so be it. I'm not suggesting those treatments stop for people diagnosed with gender dysphoria but I would like more discussion on the subject regarding female-only spaces... We should have had the discussion about trans-women entering womens sports beforehand rather than relying on the opinions of an ill-informed sports committee or the "phobia-brigade" as seen here.
@blondie4
3 жыл бұрын
This is amusing because when there’s a trans debate without a trans person, India gets very upset yet it more than happy to participate in a conversation about women’s sports without an actual woman on the panel!
@randlemcmurphy4983
3 жыл бұрын
Hubbard was fixed to lose, otherwise there would of been uproar, and proof that women aren't as strong. India needs to take that massive chip off their shoulder
@fredo1070
3 жыл бұрын
Laurel's heaviest lift as a womxn is 131kg, the gold was won with a lift of 140KG.
@hooksncrosses3419
3 жыл бұрын
It was fixed so the trans people can say "see, we don't have an unfair advantage "
@davidprince1138
3 жыл бұрын
@@hooksncrosses3419 That thought does have merit.
@carlitor4173
3 жыл бұрын
Can't believe this is even a conversation wow worlds gone mad
@Lisa-oc2cd
3 жыл бұрын
How about a woman’s point of view eh?
@SRTC1perceptions
3 жыл бұрын
If men and women are on an even playing field physically then what's the issue with domestic violence? These conversations are ridiculous. If I wear Eagle wings on my back and a plastic beak on my face and talons on my toes am I an eagle or an owl? No of course not. These people think and argue at such a low basic level its an embarrassment to our society that they are called on to provide Insight on anything.
@nathanphillips1504
3 жыл бұрын
She should compete in the mens then, but we all know she wouldn't even qualify
@ogcpw4746
3 жыл бұрын
He*
@ethank-l4930
3 жыл бұрын
nah just retire fam ur time is up in the sport ur wasting our time and making a mockery of women's sports.
@New-ei8qp
3 жыл бұрын
Look for the clip of the someone from the press asking three of the other competing women at a press conference what they think about it, and all three of them refused to answer. Let's just say, Hubbard has no friends there.
@unclem7816
3 жыл бұрын
Would Sam think it's ok for male born boxer to change and compete in the women's boxing? Utter pleb.
@awalker2723
3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately its already happened, look up Fallon Fox. She crushed her opponents skull.
@awalker2723
3 жыл бұрын
Men and women are defined by X & Y chromosomes. Its all about GENETICS and no amount of hormone therapy can change it.
@victoriakelly3007
3 жыл бұрын
And where is the woman in this debate? Shame on you Talkradio! Two gay men and a trans woman…..how bloody dare you NOT invite a biological woman in on this debate. Ducking furious!!!
@Niko5black
3 жыл бұрын
She is not a woman. .......you are not a woman mate.
@davidprince1138
3 жыл бұрын
Research has shown that 12 months of hormone treatments do very little to overall performance. Also, there are a number of other physiological advantages that are not effected by hormones.
@rudymental9993
3 жыл бұрын
Unfair advantage.
@sausagejockey4298
3 жыл бұрын
Unfair and discriminative go women. Protect our women. Those 'people' who are trans should compete against each other in their own games. Are we going to allow a male who is a trans woman to box a biological woman???!! This world is f*c*e* up 🌍🤷🏻♂️
@ben31uk
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for the mixed sex boxing. This will only end until someone gets seriously hurt or even worse
@luh962
3 жыл бұрын
It is going to take that.
@hels4739
3 жыл бұрын
It’s already happened - Fallon someone or other
@luh962
3 жыл бұрын
@@hels4739 Fallon Fox broke a woman's skull, I remember there was a match where a woman actually beat Fallon Fox, Ashlee Evans Smith.
@Pcaddictt
3 жыл бұрын
was already done in the UFC and she dominated her apponents, imagine in womens football, they would be destroyed by a team with a trans women with talent on.
@virtualvalium
3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. And rugby.
@jollyrob
3 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't have competed as she did have an unfair advantage - fact. I do sympathise though as she worked her bollocks off to get there.
@randlemcmurphy4983
3 жыл бұрын
😂
@hooksncrosses3419
3 жыл бұрын
Literally..... couldn't cope with the snatch
@jen2569
3 жыл бұрын
Nope. He still has his bollocks
@kawasakiaddiction6296
3 жыл бұрын
No Females present. WTF?
@mielerodriguez5678
3 жыл бұрын
*If she cant register a snatch then what was she doing there?*
@markrowley2739
3 жыл бұрын
'She' wasn't born with a snatch
@megalodon6108
3 жыл бұрын
no snatch, no win....
@nottodaydude
3 жыл бұрын
This is off the chart insulting
@wavell14
3 жыл бұрын
The absolute state of British men
@gettingstuckin9205
3 жыл бұрын
That fact we are even asking these questions shows how far we have fallen by letting the weakest in society have the loudest voices. Truly weak men have let this happen.
@davidprince1138
3 жыл бұрын
Many children are going to have serious issues in about 10 - 15 years.
@davidprince1138
3 жыл бұрын
@Danaura Transwoman You can spin it that way to give credence to your cult, which this has all the ear markings of. 3,400% increase of young girls transitioning. While you see all age ranges of men transitioning, there are extremely few adults who are transitioning.
@davidprince1138
3 жыл бұрын
@Danaura Transwoman Also, this does not change that fact that you are a biological male and are not a woman in any sense of the word and should not be in or take that which is not yours. This is misogyny taken to the extreme.
@johnalex7078
3 жыл бұрын
@Danaura Transwoman There lies the problem with you lot. You need to see a doctor.
@xmalcom650
3 жыл бұрын
She’s not a woman.
@bekkismith5643
2 жыл бұрын
He's
@ianbennett1491
3 жыл бұрын
I'm entering my Tortoise at Crufts bécause I have registered it as a Border Collie.
@markeast4647
3 жыл бұрын
Laurel Hubbard was not wrong. The NZOC was wrong to enter this athlete .
@admiralbillom7559
3 жыл бұрын
a trans woman is not a woman.
@debbiemiller8168
3 жыл бұрын
Their all odd Balls!! In their own League!!! This is crazy!!
@chuffsie
3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand what is wrong with being called a trans woman if that's what you are? Surely you are a trans-woman/man or there's no point in having the word trans........I'm sorry, a trans-woman is just that, a trans-woman. She deserves the same respect as anyone else, but lets not deny that India is a trans-woman but doesn't accept it.
@talktv
3 жыл бұрын
Was trans woman Laurel Hubbard wrong to compete in the Olympics?
@billynomate3699
3 жыл бұрын
Best part is he did'nt compete,never tried a leg,nonces achieved what they set out to do
@ben31uk
3 жыл бұрын
You can’t debate women sports without a woman on the panel
@Elric19772
3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@elgordineo
3 жыл бұрын
If a man transfers to a women, the best place for him/her in cooking cleaning and doing the ironing, never mind thinking of sports.
@xmalcom650
3 жыл бұрын
How about their be a referendum on weather trans women should have access to women only spaces? Why have 99 percent inconvenienced for the 1 percent ?
@drweetabix
3 жыл бұрын
Wheres the woman?
@nightforest666
3 жыл бұрын
The moderator was the only person standing up for women's rights in this debate.
@axminsters
3 жыл бұрын
India Willoughby your a trans man not a women
@davidprince1138
3 жыл бұрын
He is not a woman. There is either woman or trans woman.
@Raynes79
3 жыл бұрын
Can't listen to this nonsense... If you're born male you're male, that's just science... If you want to grow up, wear a dress and call yourself Shirly then you do you... But you're still a male and I won't hate anything about you... What I do hate is that fact that all your screaming and self righteous whining effectively makes this comment a crime in the eyes of the law... That I hate and that I will resist. Trans people should have enough respect to see that their life choices affect other life choices and stay out of sport all together.
@Valicindra
3 жыл бұрын
They shouldn't have competed in a women's sport.
@cuprashoe
3 жыл бұрын
Hes not a women....Sorry, but growing one's hair and wearing dresses doesn't mean they are women
@C24680
3 ай бұрын
In triathlon uk we have two categories one women only (biological women only) & the other is an open catagory (only men however they identify)
@intrepidape2724
3 жыл бұрын
The problem is not with Hubbard. The problem is with the IOC.
@chuffsie
3 жыл бұрын
These two guests almost want me to become transphobic. It's not going to happen, but with these illogical arguments I can see others becoming transphobic when currently they don't care.
@lorrainehuddart1402
3 жыл бұрын
Why does this discussion include a gay man, a bloke and a trans person - where is the woman. This whole discussion is invalid without a woman present. Why bring on a gay man - what does he know about the situation anymore than anyone else?
@drivewaydiyer6504
3 жыл бұрын
I suppose it wasn’t so long ago, that gay and lesbians were treated the same way, as trans are treated today.
@susanpotter9720
3 жыл бұрын
And not a woman in sight...willoughby not aging well..the hairs thining quite markedly..
@susanbishop9525
3 жыл бұрын
43 year old Too old to compete.
@annearly3200
6 ай бұрын
If you look at the body of a male body builder and a female body build it , you can see the vast different
@sarahosman4933
3 жыл бұрын
NOT a woman & give us back our safe spaces & our sports....stop telling us what to think...
@pollyjohnson3305
2 жыл бұрын
I am not a neanderthal. I am a woman. Laurel Hubbard is a man and she should not have taken a woman’s place in the competition.
@alecmartin8324
3 жыл бұрын
Well that blonde bloke with long hair moans and changes his mind like a woman I’ll give him that!
@NP-ou5yt
3 жыл бұрын
Biological mens opinions only count here seemingly. Bad ratio.
@bexyweewaggys
3 жыл бұрын
Not surprising the India Willoughby was the first celebrity housemate voted out on Big Brother she's just a whingeing waste of space but spent most of her time with her poor me routine and it wore very thin very quickly
@bekkismith5643
2 жыл бұрын
He And massaging his breasts on TV infront of a mirror,because that's what women do right? He's an autogynephilac
@j2174
3 жыл бұрын
Sam Dowler has no actual specifics. He came with his opinion and ideology and thats it.
@ianbennett1491
3 жыл бұрын
Calling someone Neanderthal because I am saying a man is actually a man.
@angela-in5dx
3 жыл бұрын
Real women say we are deeply offended these people are not real women
@virtualvalium
3 жыл бұрын
If this was a contact sport you'd hopefully have a different opinion.
@harpsailorharp6716gg
3 жыл бұрын
The ironic thing is ...the weighlifter couldn't lift it lol
@nockianlifter661
3 жыл бұрын
We can check to see her current weightlifting stats. I cannot see her ‘throwing’ the competition, more likely she was only a very average competitor as a man and competing amongst the cream of the female crop. No she shouldn’t have competed except in the men’s event where she wouldn’t have got into the team.
@nockianlifter661
3 жыл бұрын
@Oscar Shindler recent or his PB prior to hormone therapy ? Agreed though, 12Kg is a significant difference. I don’t generally watch olympics so I don’t know what the numbers of the lifts were. However, I’m considerably weaker and less powerful than all those women 😂 my Deadlift best is only 172.5Kg mind you I’m 61.
@sallywright8065
3 жыл бұрын
Where’s the woman in this debate? India’s argument is not consistent, I think Cristo is just being polite.
@unclem7816
3 жыл бұрын
Chromosome test -> man
@markrowley2739
3 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@ColSonders
3 жыл бұрын
Simple fix... Stop calling it men's and women's sports and start calling it male and female sports since we've changed our language to separate these things then we just need to make that adjustment to fix what should never have been an issue in the first place
@jen2569
3 жыл бұрын
What do you call an adult male, or an immature male? Man and boy represent males in different states of development. These are necessary words with meanings that have not changed. Gender is not sex
@ColSonders
3 жыл бұрын
@@jen2569 but the meanings have changed. Gender used to related to sex. But we have allowed the left to bastardise our language. Similarly racism used to mean believing people are superior/inferior based on their race and now it basically means white
@jen2569
3 жыл бұрын
@@ColSonders gender relates to one of the two sexes in how they socially present and has nothing to do with biology which is man/woman, male/female. You are right, the left are altering our language but we cannot go along with this. If we lose the ability to define ourselves then we lose our protections. A woman's jail is set up for adult human females. These words are important, we cannot give them up
@ColSonders
3 жыл бұрын
@@jen2569 I agree whole heartedly. I just think this argument is far too late, the language has already changed and therefore we need to change some terms to protect our women and girls. Female prisons, female sports, female changing rooms... It stops the argument dead in it's tracks
@jen2569
3 жыл бұрын
@@ColSonders no! Don't lose hope, that is what they want. Most people don't even know our language is being bastardised. It is only the woke left who miss use our words and they are the minority. If we give them man/women then they will take male/female. I have heard loads of TiMs state they are female and women. No no no! Trans identified males are men who's gender presentation is feminine. This is fact and a reality and a hill I will happily die on
@meeshker
3 жыл бұрын
She competed and didn't win, get over it
@forevertipsy3550
3 жыл бұрын
he*
@Valicindra
3 жыл бұрын
He stole a spot from a woman who may never get to fulfill her dream now. Then he threw the competition as to not cause more of an uproar proving what everyone already knows.
@Hyzenthlay70
4 ай бұрын
Yes they are stealing women's places
@Adi-gh9du
3 жыл бұрын
giving someone tablets to halt puberty is way wrong, to think else wise is weird.
@RM-hj7zo
3 жыл бұрын
Glad TR has these discussions. I'd personally not discuss anything with anyone unless they're calm. Lefties always come to every conversation with anger. Calm the fuck down and talk nicely. You'd be surprised with the progression you make.
@tiyukitv6508
3 жыл бұрын
the word "trans" and misunderstanding would always go together. before it was just male and female. now theres a lot more to take so for people to have a misunderstanding is and will always be a part of it. so many pronoun.
@silverado611
3 жыл бұрын
Its very simple. Xx chromosome ppl compete with other XX. XY compete against XY. Forget male / female. Go by chromosomes. I know , it makes too much sense. It will never work.
@brandonmitchell2456
3 жыл бұрын
The crazy part about this debate is, that a man is defending a trans women to compete and a trans women who’s against it 😭😭😭🤣🤣😭 we ahve officially gon banners 🍌🍌🍌🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
@chuffsie
3 жыл бұрын
She is not absolutely a woman, she isn't aa man either.. She is a trans-woman. And I respect her and her right to compete, so the only answer as I see it is to get rid of the "men's" events and make it an open event so that biological women can compete against biological woman (should they choose to) and everyone else, including those with any Y chromosome have the option of the open event. Job done. It's simple, but the IOC don't allow women (or trans-women) to compete in the male events....
@chuffsie
3 жыл бұрын
Or do we then have another category for biological women, an open event for all women, a biological male category and an open event for all men? Then it gets complicated. It really is easy. Stop the emotion guys and think logically.
@catwoman7462
2 жыл бұрын
He is a man, so is India WIlloughby.
@j2174
3 жыл бұрын
I think it was the "proud" part of the "proud trans woman" that was a bit weird.
@janie4537
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@catwoman7462
2 жыл бұрын
So you get two men on to discuss whether or not men (or pretend women) can compete in women's sports!
@lindastone6868
3 жыл бұрын
Pragmatophobics the lot of them!
@workinghard7013
3 жыл бұрын
3 MEN discussing WOMEN rights, gotta take notes this going to be super important!
@wiggawithattitude
3 жыл бұрын
laurel hubbard is not a woman. the term woman features the overarching term female in its definition. words have meaning, and those meanings have purpose for the correct functioning of society. its that simple.
@lovemauritius6969
2 жыл бұрын
yet again we see 3 males debating female rights...
@traceygreenwood5212
3 жыл бұрын
Omg wow,
@gettingstuckin9205
3 жыл бұрын
Everyone needs to stop subcribing to this bs
@dirtyharry1228
3 жыл бұрын
The new Barbie doll is to inspire girl's!
@silverado611
3 жыл бұрын
3 xy chromosome ppl debating the rules about competition for xx chromosome ppl. Brilliant.
@jamesperrie1393
3 жыл бұрын
Yes What one was the trans woman, hard to tell.
@davidprince1138
3 жыл бұрын
I hear an awful lot of ignorance from this panel.
@janneman7710
3 жыл бұрын
doping is prohibited because it is unfair, but it is allowed. Laurel Hubbard is not wrong the rules are wrong
@jen2569
3 жыл бұрын
Nope, Hubbard was as wrong as the rules and the people who cheered him on
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