First some words of wisdom: “Buy once, cry once”. Now my personal experiences: I purchased my Jet 12” jointer/planer combo machine with a factory-option Shelix cutter head in 2010. I STILL haven’t had to rotate any cutters. This is all the better when you realize over 800 bd ft of white oak and 1,200 bd ft of western cedar were jointed and thickness planed in just 2 projects. I was concerned the Jet has only 1 feed speed on the planer. My fears were for nothing. I’m a happy camper with the Jet combo and especially the Shelix cutter. I use the large, 5 micron, Jet Vortex dust collection without a single problem. The 3 hp planer motor seems to be easily handling the load. I’d happily recommend both! The first time you joint a 10” board, you’ll ask yourself, why didn’t I make this investment sooner!
@jergobrigi
20 күн бұрын
"buy once, cry once"😂
@paulrichmond6903
6 жыл бұрын
You certainly got all the pros and cons right on this. My Shelix head doubled the overall cost of my Dewalt 735 but I no longer have to replace those hard rubber knives that Dewalt sells. I couldn’t get 1000 sf of hardwood through them before they had to be changed out. The surface coming out of the helical head is smooth as a baby’s bottom. Good job on the review.
@roymoneyhun2838
Жыл бұрын
James, thank you for not only this video but for them all. "Explaining" is a valuable skill that not everyone possesses, but you've got it abundance. Your videos are always extremely informative and easy to follow. Keep it up!
@BL-su5wt
4 жыл бұрын
Not sure why anyone would give this video a thumbs down. I found it to be very helpful, clear and concise, and well presented. Thank you for posting>
@CookieManCookies
4 жыл бұрын
I think he makes it a clickbait title, like helical aren't that great, when throughout his video he talks about numerous advantages to them.. He should label this more accurately instead.
@jgro1976
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I came here, based on the title, expecting to find an argument against the cutter head, instead he talks about how good they are (which I already knew, which is why I was confused by the title).
@kdibaba
3 жыл бұрын
The way this guy explains .... just legendary!
@TomKaren94
7 жыл бұрын
Very comprehensive discussion regarding the helical cutters. Thanks, James.
@ryankoch8849
Жыл бұрын
Great review, came back to it just before buying my helical head for a refresher. Maybe I missed it but the cost savings are more than just the cost of the individual knives. While it matters most if you're a business but the cut quality results in a huge savings down the road for other things like sandpaper and labor even the hobbyist. The fact that it leaves a smooth finish alone is enough to justify the upgrade. Because NOBODY loves sanding lol
@oldkingcrow777
Жыл бұрын
My stock DW734 gives an incredibly smooth finish on 99% of boards, but I don't like how I have to inch down by like 1/128 at a time unless I want it to bog down. If I do 1/32 on any hardwood it bogs and it popped the internal GFCI on what you'd think would be an easy cut
@AirwolfCrazy
7 жыл бұрын
The Shelix planer head I ordered just arrived last week. I have enjoyed it's performance. At work, we have helix cutters in the jointer and planer and I was happy to finally upgrade my home planer.
@danieldeshone2428
7 жыл бұрын
I sometime work in a friends shop he has a huge planer when he switched from straight knives the noise reduction was great , and the cut was much smother good talk Stump
@Podchynok
4 жыл бұрын
I’m not a high production furniture maker or miller by any means but I bought my helix one year after purchasing my Dewalt 13” thickness planer. I went through 3 sets of blades at $89.00 CAD/ set and made a move! I had my helix for over 5 years planing oak, hickory, zebra wood as well as soft woods and to sum my impression of this cutter head- WORTH EVERY PENNY, at least in my case. Before when thinking about any project, budget in particular, if I didn’t have $89 for new blades I tended to stay away from figures woods and even then dull blades were issue, when blade doesn’t cut- it chisels!
@inspectr1949
7 жыл бұрын
100% true, have had my Powermatic 20" HH for over 5 years now and its still on its original set of cutters and I process all my own wood directly from my bandsaw mill once its air dired about a year. Handles tigermaple, curley cherry, flame birch and crotch walnut very exceptional, more efficiently and much quiter than my original planer with HSS knives. Now the decision is to spend over $500 to retrofit my Delta DJ20 jointer.
@richardsutton447
5 ай бұрын
Thanks to your very helpful videos on the helical cutters, I replaced the knives on my Delta TP305 planer with the Shelix helical cutters from My Wood Cutters. Not cheap but a great product. Although it took me most of the day to just disassemble my planer, the new cutter head went in seamlessly. (Other KZitem videos were also very helpful.) Thank you for your helpful advice on the Shelix.
@ducttape4177
2 жыл бұрын
very informed discussion on the two types of cutters for Jointer...and Planer.
@davidfalat4377
3 жыл бұрын
I love guys like this, Einstein once said if you can explain it to a 5 year old you know your subject. This guy knows his stuff !!
@LifeSurfingDude
6 күн бұрын
thank you for detailed overview. very much appreciate your work!
@daveboyt6810
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. On the cost savings, you missed the cost of the wood destroyed by a straight planer, and the value of the time it takes to sand out tearout from a straight planer. Factoring that in, it pays for itself much more quickly.
@woodmoto
4 жыл бұрын
And with hearing aids needed after using straight planer blades for many years....
@montet202
3 жыл бұрын
Time savings of not having to check grain direction on several hundred parts for a kitchen is a huge factor. Helical heads cut time at the jointer by at least half. That's a ton of money over the life of the machine in a working shop.
@nickverbree
7 жыл бұрын
We have a helical head on the machine at the shop where I work, and it's a double edged sword. The cut quality is great, but the increased demand causes out machine to overheat very regularly, which costs a lot of time. I'd say the helical heads ares ideal for larger machines, but are just to demanding for smaller planers.
@purask
4 жыл бұрын
Well i think you have wrong machine in shop then, small planers Are more for hobby or contractor works If needed can plane some wood, but not for working 8hour straight
@johnconklin9039
7 жыл бұрын
I put a Shelix head in both my jointer and planer and have found them both to be worth it. Quieter, less maintenance time, better quality... all worth the money. If I ever get a larger jointer, I'll order a another one ASAP. I did have to wait about 3 months for the head for my 6" Delta jointer.
@tharemyhopkins5873
7 жыл бұрын
Honestly, before this video, I wasn't aware that a replacement head was available for my planer or jointer, so I really appreciate you sharing the site. I had thought I would just need to save up for a new jointer with helical head. Besides once a year when my father-in-law asks for cedar planer shavings for woodduck house bedding, the long ribbons are indeed a pain for the dust collector. I'm in the camp of only replacing my blades once or twice a year, but personally, I'd consider the dust collection improvements worth some $. The noise factor with kids sleeping is also something I hadn't thought about. Table saw and sanders can be run when they are asleep no problem, but I usually get "the look" when planing at night. Thank you for the video!
@2adamast
7 жыл бұрын
I expected the noise reduction to be more, the possibility of 50% noise reduction is just 3dB less at best
@jfricke4413
7 жыл бұрын
And it typically takes a 9dB change for the average person to perceive a doubling/halving in volume. So the meter might show a difference, but it will be almost unnoticeable to the ear.
@hjwebfam
7 жыл бұрын
I had a huge reduction in noise on my Grizzly 15" planer. I could be wrong about the cause but I think the original blades passing the plastic chip deflector contributed to a very loud thrumming with the blades. With the Byrd Shelix cutter the chip deflector doesn't seem to have the same resonant frequency and is not just quieter but a much more tolerable noise. I can talk to someone on the out-feed now quite easily.
@larrychu2431
7 жыл бұрын
Black Dog Mai
@matthewrusso1350
7 жыл бұрын
this is such great info! I didn't realize I could replace my planer blades, but I also didn't realize some of the added benefits of upgrading either. Thank you for this video!
@petermarsh4993
7 жыл бұрын
Good overview. I have both types of cutterhead - helical on my jointer and straight blade on the thicknesser. The helical is much quieter to run and produces a beautiful finish most times. As for striking the odd nail, no problems so far. It whips off the metal and doesn't damage the cutter. You use tungsten carbide bits in a lathe and milling machine to machine mild steel and so can't see the problem. It means using recycled wood is not so disastrous on your equipment. As quality timber is becoming increasingly difficult to source, effective tools to deal with recycled materials makes sense. I still run wood through my magnet detector however when I remember just to be safe, cutting through bolts is not smart.
@labrat7357
2 жыл бұрын
I upgraded my Jet planner/thicknesser with a helical head and had a couple of issues when I needed to rotate the cutters. I over tightened the screws by only a couple of pounds and had a number of them break. I was supplied a box of ten 15 x 15 x 2.5 x R100mm labelled as Byrde but they were not, some how there has been a substitution of 14.8 x 14.8 x 2.5mm cutters. I had a step on the surface where the new cutters were not cutting to the full depth. I purchased some new cutters and installed them problem solved.. It is worth running a digital calliper or micrometer over the cutters before installation. Do not trust that some creep has not tried to pull a fast one and swapped out some cutters.
@MrBarrymills
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I appreciate your clear and concise explanations.
@terry2346
7 жыл бұрын
Those cutterheads are also great for making your own carbide lathe tools instead of paying the high price for manufactured ones!! Nice article!
@terry2346
6 жыл бұрын
I am just talking about the carbide tips which are usually square and carbide. They work well on lathe tools that you make yourself.
@WigWagWorkshop
7 жыл бұрын
The $550 helical cutter investment for my DeWalt planer, was one of my best upgrades I ever made. On another note, those carbide cutters, also make for a great low cost lathe tool.
@meanders9221
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, good review. Consistent with my experience. Several years ago I needed to upgrade from my 6" jointer and my lunchbox planer, and space was an issue, so I got the Jet 12" combo machine with the helical head. Having a 12" jointer made a big difference in the wood I can handle, and the noise reduction was remarkable. At around 81dB I do not technically need hearing protection though I still use it. The inserts do leave a very fine basket weave pattern which sands out easily. Passed my old planer on to my son, and now I notice its often out of service waiting for new blades.
@thegardenofeatin5965
6 ай бұрын
I have a dewalt planner with reversible knives and a spare set. When I use those up, I'll get a shelix. I have a 6 inch benchtop Jointer that might get replaced by then.
@deldridg
5 жыл бұрын
Big thanks from Sydney, Aust. Appreciate the time you've put into this as per your other videos. I must add that on observing the wall in the background, I am feeling that you are sadly short on planes and am considering sending you one or two of mine... :-) Cheers and thanks - Dave
@DIYHomeofMine
4 жыл бұрын
I was not sure which one to go for and your video helped me with my decision. Thanks for this much needed information.
@rickandrews1278
4 жыл бұрын
Your point about more power required for the helical head was interesting and the opposite of what I had assumed. But it makes sense. Thanks for the info.
@robertsonr1
7 жыл бұрын
Finally! I've been waiting for this episode. Thanks for the information!
@MichaelMakesMistakes
7 жыл бұрын
I put one in my Dewalt 735, and it's fantastic. I do a lot of work with hardwoods from locally grown trees (mesquite and olive), and they would kill my HSS knives in no time at all. I upgraded to the Byrd Shelix head, and it's one of the best tool investments I've ever made. It doesn't solve the Dewalt's snipe problem, but it was definitely worth the investment for me.
@ronh9384
7 жыл бұрын
Michael Micheal I was able to dial out 98-100 percent of the snipe out of my boards. When I want a 100% snipe free board for an expensive board and I don't want to waste any I add a sled to mine which is the practical width of the planer with Formica on each side with a cleat underneath the bottom of the indeed side. Make sure your infeed and out feed table are flat all the way across, insert the sled with the cleat against the infeed table edge. Make sure the sled table is waxed with a silicone free wax. Again make sure the sled is level in all planes... works like a dream stopping the snipe.
@leonardgarthbrooks
6 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thanks for a concise, helpful video. I too was not aware that I could just swap out the cutterhead in my existing machine rather than having to buy a new one. Awesome.
@heru-deshet359
6 жыл бұрын
I am envious of your beautiful tool "museum" behind you.
@ThrowingItAway
6 жыл бұрын
Our shelix helical cutter has been a HUGE money saver just due to the surface finish that it leaves on the wood. Less money and time is spent on abrasives and sanding, and less wood is wasted due to horrible tearout. The sooner you buy one the sooner you will start saving.
@tylindenthaler7080
2 жыл бұрын
Again another extremely helpful video. Thank you very much.
@daviddaniel3262
6 жыл бұрын
Another benefit that I have found is that I can now dial in the thickness gauge on my surface planer. Before, when I would swap out blades, I’d have to go through the process of setting the gauge to reflect the position of the new blades, and I’d never do it. Now when I need to rotate or replace a cutter, it doesn’t alter the relative height of the cutter, and I can trust the gauge to tell me the thickness. I still double check, but if it isn’t critical I would trust the gauge.
@spencerboaz2385
4 жыл бұрын
They work great on larger machines and the larger head diameters even better . It saves me a lot of sanding compared to my older straight blades .
@colinandersen1347
7 жыл бұрын
I put one on my Dewalt dw735 and I love it. I will never go back and if my dw735 wears out I can just move it into my new one. It cuts so nice And smooth. I think that it was worth it.
@M5tworude
4 жыл бұрын
But the surface area of the contact. area between cutting edges and material will always be less at any given time with the shelix so although the motor driving the knives does get a "break" the one driving the shelix has a smaller demand on it at any given time. No? Great video, I'm a new subscriber.
@Nebol
2 жыл бұрын
Man I need this.. actually I need a new jointer/planer. I bought a 400 bucks budget jointer/planer-combo and.. well, it's bad.... Anyway, thanks for your videos, Stumpy Nubs, I'm learning a lot!
@ppodhajsky1
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great information. I found your videos a couple months ago. They are the best woodworking videos out there!
@mothman-jz8ug
5 жыл бұрын
VERY informative video. Thank you a thousand times!
@seasawwoodworking
2 жыл бұрын
Ok I took the leap and invested in a shelix for my DW734 and my Delta 37-190. I sure hope they are worth it! I trust after watching this video they will, but $750 hurts. Lol
@djespo69
2 жыл бұрын
OK this is the second video I’ve seen of yours that I really enjoyed and learned a lot off of. I’m subscribing and thank you for the contact
@dennisst99
7 жыл бұрын
I miss your humor, but I must say your new videos are well done and very professional! (Maybe a little yuckin' it up would still be okay!)
@coffeecakecharlie
2 жыл бұрын
This format does work really well. I have only seen clips of the early videos but i agree that i could see a little cheeky sarcasm or tongue in cheek gag every now and that would be the icing on the cake….used sparingly of course
@danmottesheard5294
6 жыл бұрын
stumpy thanks for your insight on these cutters. when I decided to buy I bought the Cutech jointer and planer that already had the helical cutter heads and am very pleased that I did. now I need to upgrade to the carbide cutters instead of the HHS cutters that have served me well
@chilton71
Жыл бұрын
I learned a lot from this video. Thanks a lot!
@sumandl
7 жыл бұрын
Well explained! I upgradet to a combination unit with helical cutter heads... and i would never change it again👍
@bradouellette6558
4 жыл бұрын
I upgraded to a helical head on my Powermatic 54A 6” jointer , what I found is the chips exhaust out the backside of the jointer rather than down the dust chute , upgraded to a larger collector and a 6” dust collector port to handle the issue
@MrKYT-gb8gs
3 жыл бұрын
Other than the close of the head... I cannot think of a single reason to leave the default blades on the planar.. Just incredible piece of tech.
@reneehughes5084
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, I found it interesting, and I've been thinking.... (always dangerous). I agree with your statement that the straight blades will have "gaps" between carves, allowing the motor to "recover". However, do helical heads need a more powerful motor? I'm not so sure. I have a hard time believing that each tiny helical blade, whichever one(s) is/are in contact with the wood at any given moment, would slow the motor down anywhere near as much as larger (sometimes much larger) straight blades. It's just that a helical head should spread the motor load over time to be more consistent... Rather than chop, spin up, repeat loads using straight blades. If you're planing the same type, depth, and width of wood, why would it need more power? The head shouldn't change that. In fact, aerodynamically, the helical head should place LESS strain on the motor. A lot of people put helical heads in DeWalt735 planers, without upgrading the motor, for the reasons you describe. Few seem to complain about the motor not keeping up. Also, the reduction in noise, is a reduction in one form of energy loss. I can't say for certain that any actual PLANING efficiency is gained. Most of it is probably lost as heat, or additional chip propulsion... but maybe a small percentage will be put into working the wood. Everything else that you've said seems correct to me, and no doubt helpful to a lot of people. Thanks.
@johnnyboy3563
2 жыл бұрын
From what I've heard, shelix definitely draws more juice. The reason is not because there's no gap in time like the video suggests. It's actually because there is overlap in the spacing of the shelix heads. If you look at the shelix, every 2 rows is equivalent to 1 straight blade, except you have roughly 50% more knife contacting the wood because there's about 50% overlap (distance between 2 blades is roughly half the size of a blade). More cutting requires more power.
@robertd1965
2 жыл бұрын
What a data-rich video. Love it.
@carlson.douglas.w
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stump! Another quality video with good, straight forward content. Keep it up, sir!
@davidrusso4750
3 жыл бұрын
thanks again - professionally presented and very valuable information.
@michaelwillcutt2619
Жыл бұрын
Four sided multiple cuter . Standard straight edge cutter blade with two sides
@andysontag5336
7 жыл бұрын
Great video. Much improved format compared to your older videos. ☺️👍
@Sebastopolmark
7 жыл бұрын
Very well said Mr Nubs
@mileshember3501
4 жыл бұрын
Just to add another data point to this video - I have the OEM Felder/Hammer helical cutterhead in a Hammer A3/31 planer/thicknesser, been running it for about 3 years now. They brand it "Silent Power", and is a added-cost option when you spec the machine. If you take a look online at the design and geometry of this head vs the Byrd type, you will see that the Felder design is much more advanced. It still uses the staggered rows of shear-cutting inserts, but they are pocketed into the surface of a nearly-full cylindrical head, instead of sticking out of a small-diameter core. Obvious advantage of this is the aerodynamic noise reduction, and the protection of the blade edges that are not in use. The chips exit in a smooth channel in front of the blade rows. Felder have side-by-side noise measurements (on youtube) showing about a 10dB reduction planing the same board on the two machines. I can confirm that the planer is very quiet - you can almost have a normal conversation with someone as you plane a board! Surface finish is very good, just as reported here, and I am just about to rotate the set of knives after several thousand feet of planing mixed timbers; it's still perfectly usable but a bit more pressure is needed and I'm about to process some rather (very) difficult elm burl, so it's time to freshen up. The thicknesser also works beautifully, with the "digital" thickness setting that is actually clockwork but works perfectly and allows me to set thickness to 0.1mm with good confidence. I have no commercial interest, I'm just a private customer who has found this machine to be an extremely good purchase, even though it is more expensive than some others. I'm a scientist/product developer by profession, and I think they have done a really nice job on the essentials on this machine, even if it does not have all the heavy duty extras that the production Felder ones enjoy (e.g. the fence mounting is relatively poor). In the context of this video, I would encourage Stumpy and others to look at this cutterhead as a state of the art example - and yes it is better than the US-sourced ones at present. :-)
@StumpyNubs
4 жыл бұрын
Felder's head isn't unique. Lux Cut makes after market heads that are pocketed kzitem.info/news/bejne/lI1332yPsJd6fXY
@vincentrolfe1384
4 жыл бұрын
I had the opportunity to buy the multicutter head spiral or the Tersa 4 knives at the first. I elected to buy the Tersa model because if I need to mill some unknown wood from the lumber mill I can quickly install the 4 Tersa knives using some older knives and save the new knives for furniture work. If a nick appears on the Tersa you move the knives about 2 or 3MM left or right-stagger the cut surface and that takes care of the nicked edge. I can switch the M42 knives for carbide if I get into a long run of milling either jointer or planer. Also, we have the opportunity to use shorter knives of M42 cobalt or carbide on either jointer or planer to meet the requirement of certain woods. Same knives different machines with the Tersa design. The Tersa fitting on a machine using a variety of metals will not bog down the motor even on heavy cuts life the spiral design. With a moderate sharpness using Tersa the cut does not require sanding unless you have the feed rate too high; depends what you need. Felder's straight knives take time out of the day to replace and I chose Tersa. Not very many vendors for Tersa in the US and Canada. If I mill pine it can load the knives with resin: Tersa allows a quick removal and spray with clean and paper towel wipe and reinstall quickly. Does the helical setup have resin buildup? If so you may be some clean up time??
@SeamusAndrewMurphy
7 жыл бұрын
If you check locally, you should be able to locate a cutter grinding shop that can resharp the inserts economically. As long as there is just wear and not damage, those inserts can be reused. Certainly you can find a cutter grinding shop on the east coast.
@zaknefain100
7 жыл бұрын
SeamusAndrewMurphy Inserts are typically inexpensive enough that you're not going to gain anything in resharpening once labor is factored in. They're designed as consumables and priced as such.
@RobertSzasz
7 жыл бұрын
Having all the cutters the same size is actually somewhat critical in this application, and all multi tooth cutters.
@petcatznz
3 жыл бұрын
In my experience segmented cutters have one extra pro. That is, when the inevitable happens and worked timber inexplicably contains a nail or perhaps even an embedded stone, only one or two individual cutters will need to be replaced, not the whole blade set. This equates to a huge reduction in downtime and costs after such an event.
@Maxime-ho9iv
2 жыл бұрын
One extra pro? Your point is mentioned in the video.
@trongod2000
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you. One of the better product videos I've seen. AND, it was much needed.
@philipgordon6626
2 жыл бұрын
Extremely informative… looking forward to more of your tutorials.
@Colin56ish
6 жыл бұрын
The Helical design is actually a plus because the load on your motor is spread evenly. The straight cutter design produces a stop start action which in detrimental to the motor (note electric motor design cannot compensate for stop start or on /off load, they are meant to run flat out)!
@danburch9989
6 жыл бұрын
I would have thought that the helix head would put less load on the motor because of the smaller cuts each head makes at any instant in time. Looks like a maximum of 4 heads at any instant in time. But I guess I thought wrong.
@richardpatterson4312
5 жыл бұрын
I doubt anyone has taken an amp reading on the machine. All indications point to less power consumption. If you have data otherwise I suspect you were taking a larger depth of cut on the helical cutter head. When l swap out my dealt planer head I'll make a video with amp readings and make sure to measure the cut depth
@richardjuday20
6 жыл бұрын
If you look closely, you'll observe that the edges of the Shelix cutters are not straight. Why is that? (Answer below!) I have installed the Byrd Shelix on my DW735 and I very much like the result. It cuts smoother than the 3-blade OEM cutterhead, and the carbide blades last far longer than the HSS original equipment. In the long run I expect to recoup the expense of the upgrade just in blade replacement, and if not I think the upgrade in performance has been worth the cost. In fact I have been so impressed with this cutterhead that I have just bought and installed a Shelix cutterhead on my 6" jointer as well. The answer: Because you want the *cut* to be flat! In a little more detail... From your high school geometry you know that the intersection of a cylinder and a plane is an ellipse. There is some serious NC machine work involved in building the Shelix and at the same time paying attention to the woodworking. You know that when hand-planing, you twist the plane a little bit to get a shear action, or slice, into the cut. The Shelix bits are similarly twisted to get that slice. But you want the cutting action of a bit to lie on the surface of the cylinder even as the point of the cut moves along parallel to the cutting axis, to give a little slicing action. Then your board comes out flat, not scalloped. Because that aforementioned ellipse gives the plane/cylinder intersection, the cutting edge of the bit must follow the ellipse -- and not be straight! Kudos to Byrd Tool for working all this out, and grinding the cutters accordingly. That Shelix slicing action is also a reason behind the reduced tearout, along with the more frequent slicing impacts of a 40-bit twisted cutter arrangement rather than a thrice-per-rotation, whole-length-of-the-blade-at-once, whapping. I'm a happy camper. Hmmm... this has been fun to write up. I might go include it on some other DW735/Shelix sites as well.
@peterwells5059
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video - very informative - I did read that there can be issues with tripping a breaker
@JaviUnboxed
7 жыл бұрын
Like many of your viewers, I also was not aware that of alternatives to my HSS planer knives. Thanks for the valuable information Jim. Next blade change on my Delta will be to the Shelix carbide cutterhead. Awesome.
@tugnut1
6 жыл бұрын
Spectacular video and information. I just got a Shelix cutter for my dewalt DW735. Everything Stumpy says is true. I really need to look at updating my jointer now.
@angelaprater2679
5 жыл бұрын
John here good video but I got a Cutect 40700HC 24 tooth spiral carbide blades. 12" for $349.00 quiet runner chips a lot smaller don.t hang up used it on oak walnut pine from 3/4 to 2 1/2" does a nice job a lot cheaper 2yr warranty.
@timkowalik
7 жыл бұрын
Very informative! You did forget to mention that even with the shelix head, you can still get that washboard type effect, but only 90 degrees to the standard planer blades. Although it is very minute and can be sanded off fairly quickly. All in all though, well worth it if you use it on a regular basis.
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
It is possible, which is why I said you may REDUCE or eliminate it. I get it once in a while. But it's so light it usually disappears with my regular sanding. However, I want to make sure all of the pros and cons are clear, so thanks for pointing it out. :)
@patmancrowley8509
4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful presentation, Stumpy Nubs. Love the name too.
@b767greg
2 жыл бұрын
One other thing to mention, if you buy a cutter head for your planer, buy the same manufacturer for your jointer, because the blades are the same and can be used on both heads. The replacement blades are proprietary to the brand, so Shelix brand blades won't fit Lux brand.
@vincentrolfe1384
4 жыл бұрын
If you have Tersa knives, when you put in the new knives be sure to shorten atleast 2 of the knives about 2MM so you can kick the knives over a little to stagger the nicks we all get. Feed speed allows straight knives to leave ridges in the wood if you go too fast. Slow down the feed speed or speed up the cutter head to achieve a smooth planar surface with straight knives.
@tedfriesen9466
7 жыл бұрын
One con that you didn't mention was the fragility of carbide cutters. I upgraded my DW7325 to a Byrd Shelix cutter head and broke three cutters in a year. (If I could attach a picture I would) Byrd refused to replace the broken cutters and failed to provide any help in diagnosing what may be the cause. In the last six years my Grizzly Jointer hasn't broken a single cutter. So, bad batch of cutters from Byrd? Probably. Poor customer service? Absolutely.
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
The reason I didn't include that is because I have never experienced, or heard of a case like yours until now. As with any tool (or any sort of product for that matter), there are always some isolated cases that may be negative. But the vast majority are overwhelmingly positive.
@ryanlangan1060
7 жыл бұрын
Great info James. I think it's important to note that carbide is never as "sharp" as the steel it replaces. I would guess that's why it bogs the machines down more than the original.
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
While it is true that carbide can not be sharpened as finely as steel, wood is an abrasive material. After a few board feet, those razor sharp HSS knives aren't much sharper than carbide anymore. Compare it to a hand plane. It may shave hair when it's first honed. But after planing three or four boards, while it may still be sharp, it's not as sharp as before. It only takes a very short time to go through that same amount of board feet with a power jointer or planer.
@Nighthawke70
7 жыл бұрын
You might check into buying your inserts from machinist suppliers like McMaster Carr or Grainger. Or you can go to the source like Carbide Depot if you got the exact dimensions and material types and buy in bulk. Looking at the selection of inserts at Carbide Depot makes me wonder about the quality and results you may get with differently shaped inserts.
@jimspencer1077
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for thanks for the information buddy
@thomastieffenbacherdocsava1549
6 жыл бұрын
Whoa! Nice detailed presentation. Gave me some pause for consideration. Up front costs are frustrating me as my woodworking hasn't paid for the cost of the machines(yet). Looked at this awhile ago re when they became a sponsor. Will check into it again. Thanks!
@manyglacier1980
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. When rebuilding an older Rockwell 22-201 18" wedge bed, I did decide to put a shelix on it and have been pleased. One comment about the power requirements I can offer is the carbide is taking a scraping cut instead of the slicing cut of a knife - I'm suspecting that is contributing to the power draw. I noticed a brief display of a Clear Vue cyclone dust collector in the video. How do you like it? Any commentary about it? Recommendations?
@troyjwood
4 жыл бұрын
One big drawback of a helical on a jointer is the extra physical effort it requires to push the piece through. To all those debating whether or not helicals require more power demands all you have to do is feel the actual resistance as compared to a conventional cutterhead on a jointer and you will understand. Not much seems to be written about this but if you are running a lot of material, day after day, the energy requirement on the body WILL be significant.
@StumpyNubs
4 жыл бұрын
We covered power requirements in the video.
@troyjwood
4 жыл бұрын
@@StumpyNubs I'm not talking about power requirements in terms of motor/AC current here. I am talking about the extra physical demand on the human body you will notice using a jointer with a helical head. The difference will be negligible on 6" to 8" but the bigger you go the more resistance you will feel. If you are a shop the runs high volume this will be a factor. Consider a stock feeder.
@ericwiltz6584
2 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@mikehenthorn1778
2 жыл бұрын
So use the straight cutters till replacement time and then replace the entire head.
@peoriaos6627
7 жыл бұрын
Very nice video. Thanks. One addition. Sometimes we have our blades sharpened so that can reflect in the price. Keep up the great work Stumpy.
@charlesp3580
7 жыл бұрын
You can also plane plywood with the spiral! For me comes in handy for certain buildouts ect.....
@joshl90
7 жыл бұрын
Charles P you can?
@charlesp3580
7 жыл бұрын
Yup u can...traditional planers will blow chunks from the plies . Spirals shave. That's all we have at our shop
@mypony891
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the link to find what works for my planer but wow, at $405 I'll definitely be saving for a bit before I'm able to afford that, it seems that it would be worth it in the end.
@taylorburgess9387
7 жыл бұрын
I can tell you from a production/manufacturing standpoint, these spiral heads with carbide inserts are incredible compared to straight knives. At my job I do setups on moulders, some with multiple heads each with a 25 hp motor and i've seen these hog off a half inch to 3/4" of material effortlessly (granted it was poplar) still very impressive and silent compared to some of the other 2 and 5 knife heads i work with and our inserted heads have from around 100-200 inserts so flipping them can be monotonous at times especially when there is a lot of pitch buildup lol
@greggv8
Жыл бұрын
Sheartak in Canada makes these for many models of planers that Shelix doesn't. For example, the Shopsmith 12" planer, and newer Ryobi 13" planers. Shelix only lists the AP1300 Ryobi planer, which Sheartak also makes a cutter head for. Sheartak's prices are higher in Canadian $ but it's currently $1.36CAD to $1.00USD. Does Shelix have these for models that Sheartak doesn't? Could be they do. But apparently Sheartak will make theirs to order rather than doing them in batches. The reason they have them for Shopsmith is a guy who lives near the company asked if they did. No, but if he brought his planer in they'd design one for it and make it. Now it's in their list of available products.
@gregbettjeman3773
5 жыл бұрын
All good things to you. I really like your presentation style.
@garyheurich6835
2 жыл бұрын
As the helical blades require more power, do you have a recommended minimum horsepower to ensure taking full advantage?
@akquicksilver
7 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your newer format without all silliness and frivolity.
@kevinyoungblut
7 жыл бұрын
Good video. Nice comprehensive comparison. Thank you.
@mversantvoort
6 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video, thanks for explaining about the different pros and cons!
@Birkguitars
3 жыл бұрын
I am working up the specification for a new workshop and, fortunately, I expect to have the resources to cover the initial cost of the helical cutter. It will be a small scale shop but heavily dependent on figured wood because of the nature of the work I plan to be doing. The idea of reducing tear out is very attractive but how big a problem is it? Even losing only a small proportion of the pieces could become quite expensive so it is a worry. It sounds like you are saying that "if you can afford it then do it" but this is new territory for me so any views on this would be useful.
@RXRSawdustStation
7 жыл бұрын
Well #Woodworking done, #StumpyNubs! #KeepTheChipsFlying!
@willemkramer44
2 жыл бұрын
In my experience the helical cutter doesn't seem to like very small strips of wood, it completely eats them where the straight blades didn't (thicknessing to a 4-5 milimeters that is).
@adgot9000
Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent breakdown, thanks for this. I refurbished a Powermatic Model 50 jointer (6") and am wondering about the cost benefit of upgrading to the shelix cutter head. The motor and all the parts are in excellent condition so it seems a worthy question. Since this model is 240v, would it strain at all under the helical cutter head? Probably important point: I run a 25f 20amp 12awg extension cord to the jointer, so would the drop-off be meaningful here? If I never have to reset the cutter knives again it'll be too soon.
@tharemyhopkins5873
7 жыл бұрын
I don't think I've ever been the first comment. Thank you for the great channel!
@bigjoemann
7 жыл бұрын
I think you get to buy everyone in the bar a drink now.
@SurvGod
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@christophercox8712
7 жыл бұрын
Good info, thanks! I had no idea I could buy a spiral cutter head for my portable planer.
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