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@LucidDreamer54321
3 жыл бұрын
I just looked at the stone on Amazon. It has a lot of bad reviews. People are saying that it is not flat, has bubbles under the glued-on diamond sheet, sections of diamond sheet peeling off, etc.
@StumpyNubs
3 жыл бұрын
@@LucidDreamer54321 And the vast majority of others (94%) are saying the opposite. That's how Amazon reviews work. Everyone that has an issue leaves a poor review, but only a small percentage of those with positive experiences leave one because most people have better things to do than write reviews on Amazon. It skews reality, but it is what it is... All I can tell you is my personal experience and let you make your own decision :)
@stevenmarkward
3 жыл бұрын
I use specially prepared water as a sharpening stone lubricant including for Diamond Stones. I add HoneRite Gold anti-corrosion (makes the water rust-proof) additive, added to distilled water, resulting in a suitable sharpening lubricant that prevents rust on both the Diamond Stone and the tool being sharpened.
@jasons.9389
3 жыл бұрын
Is there any none Amazon stones you can recommend?
No annoying loud music, incredibly thorough and comprehensive information. I love your channel!
@fletcherbrown728
2 жыл бұрын
What a pleasure to watch/listen to a knowledgeable professional, who has prepared an excellent script, and presents it so clearly - with NO distracting background music, no "hey Yo - whats up KZitem". This is as good as teaching gets. Not just an advertisement to entice clicking of affiliate links - just good, solid, dependable information. Well done!
@brianm.9451
7 жыл бұрын
FYI, I'm one of those weirdos that love to sharpen their tools and find it a moment of zen. :)
@gcoca7450
7 жыл бұрын
Brian M. Same
@gcoca7450
7 жыл бұрын
Joe Smith yeah plus I feel its kinda nice knowing that your tools are like an extension of who you are and the more time and dedication you put towards them the better results you'll get. I don't know though, could be just me haha
@brianm.9451
7 жыл бұрын
gape Coca: I live by the adage: a sharp tool is a safe tool. Good steel + good sharpening setup = scary sharp blades. My setup uses 2 DMT diamond stones (XX coarse and X coarse) and 1000, 3000, 10K, and 13K grit ceramic stones (Sigma Power Select II). I finish with a leather strop with the green honing compound. That mirror finish makes me happy. I agree with the Samurai Carpenter: learn to free hand sharpen and save the money you would have spent on honing jigs on better equipment. My blades cut through red oak and leave a beautiful smooth finish.
@gcoca7450
7 жыл бұрын
Brian M. That's one hell of a setup you got there, I eventually want to have similar stones. And I bet they would leave a beautiful finish. Keep working hard! And stay safe my friend
@brianm.9451
7 жыл бұрын
The setup is worth it though. It leaves a mirror finish and a very, very sharp blade. If you use O1 or PMV-11's it creates an incredibly sharp edge. I don't recommend creating a micro bevel either since it changes the geometry of the cutting edge. I have zero problems planing red oak and cherry and it leaves a smooth finish.
@kenmarapese9085
7 жыл бұрын
I'm a weirdo, love to sharpen my blades, I find it relaxing.
@rowanfernsler9725
4 жыл бұрын
Same
@jamescannon5630
4 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@revolvermaster4939
3 жыл бұрын
You can shave with my shovels!
@Redraven2967
3 жыл бұрын
I too admit to being a sharpening weirdo/geek but if it’s only as sharp as a scalpel, it’s just not sharp enough! And yes I did eat paste in kindergarten.
@johnflux1
3 жыл бұрын
"Are they made from real diamonds?" He says no, then goes on to effectively say yes. Grown diamonds are still real diamonds.
@IAteYourSandwich
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, they just aren’t restricted by the only company worldwide that can mine them and set exorbitant prices. :p
@Dredd2992
Жыл бұрын
I think what he means by not real is that they are not naturally occurring diamonds that were mined. They were grown synthetically.
@ericw9655
10 ай бұрын
And for industrial applications, they’re better due to having fewer imperfections. The only reason “real” diamonds fetch a premium is b/c of debeers marketing around their mystique.
@ericanderson7570
10 ай бұрын
Well heck. Now the whole video is wrong.
@mooseantler
8 ай бұрын
Same story I told my wife.
@dulcamarabuffo
5 жыл бұрын
This was one of the best, most concise explanations that I have yet to see. Thanks so much.
@dulcamarabuffo
4 жыл бұрын
@@AJNoon LOL, only when you are a pedant.
@przybyla420
3 жыл бұрын
This comment is the best I’ve yet to see! Lol read 📚
@americangraffiti6192
3 жыл бұрын
He is correct in describing " serviceable sharpness" I however am one of those who find joy in the art of creating an edge worthy of superlatives. Learning everything I can in the pursuit of the perfect edge... Necessary? Probably not. But there's nothing wrong with the pursuit of perfection.
@crichtonbruce4329
2 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on this. I enjoy sharpening, but I don't love it. I DO love the satisfaction of getting a great edge, and then using it. I work a lot in white pine which I find requires steeper bevel angles, and faultless edges, as sharp as I can get them. So: "Serviceable sharpness" is relative to what you are doing.
@vitodelorto1796
2 жыл бұрын
If you are a sharpening nut, you need to take up shaving with a straight razor😂
@j.s.partin6107
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always found peace in the search for the best edge.
@mikestewart505
2 жыл бұрын
I've watched three very different views on this: Stumpy, Paul Sellars, and Rob Cosman, and I somehow agree with them all. As a carpenter, I was quite content with a sort and hard Arkansas, which got my chisels sharp enough to shave with (but the ones I have are a bit small for a plane iron). A Trend diamond plate has been really good, and easy to use. But I did ultimately spring for a Shapton 16000 grit, as well. It's probably overkill for most jobs, but for the final finish with a smoothing plane, I think it's worth the expense and effort. So, 1000 for dimensioning, 16000 (and resharpen frequently ) for finish. A similar thought process has me starting to think my Lie-Nielsen #4 1/2 might have been a reasonable expense, but maybe I don't need to go quite so deluxe for a #7...
@mark-kf3md
6 ай бұрын
The reviews on Tend diamond stones indicate issues with raised edges, that they are not flat, inconsistent diamond coverage and last but not least they wear too fast. If these issues do not present themselves to a percentage of buyers that just means the quality control and consistency of manufacture is less than what it should be for the price.
@rodneysmart9774
5 жыл бұрын
I sharpen knives for the ladies in my neighborhood. I'm very popular. It blows my mind how dull most people's knives are.
@timgreaves9906
5 жыл бұрын
Is your mind all that gets blown?
@tjkasgl
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a lady who sharpens her own knives and hates using other people's dull knives! You are doing a great service to your neighborhood
@ballista7367
4 жыл бұрын
@@timgreaves9906 he can't Answer right now his minds getting blown
@jamescannon5630
4 жыл бұрын
Have to wonder why men are called men but for some reason, women need to be called ladies.
@isaach1447
4 жыл бұрын
james cannon - because most of us are no longer gentile enough to be referred to as gentlemen.
@mdearcos
5 жыл бұрын
A lot of people whining about him calling some of us "lunatics" and so... relax, people. I think he is being sarcastic referring to himself, too.
@BrandonAB
3 жыл бұрын
No, I don’t think he was referring to himself at all. He said he believes people like that should be kept away from sharp objects, calls them lunatics, and refers to the practice of sharpening as mind numbing. 0:22
@thepracticalblade9013
Жыл бұрын
Good advice on stopping at 1k then stropping. I go to 200k (Yes, really), but I essentially only do that as a ritual at this point - the process is relaxing to me. It's cool to see how sharp you can really get something, and the mirror edges are really nice as well. But, I'll be the first to confirm... I've taken a knife to that level of sharpness, cut up all the cardboard boxes for my weekly trash haul, and already been back to a point where even shaving is a struggle. It's cool, but it doesn't last.
@tomweller5045
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks James. I have been struggling with all the "expert" advice that is out there. This was clear and easy to understand. You have answered more than one of my questions on this topic. The UP thanks you, eh.
@LastBastian
Жыл бұрын
I'm a hobbyist knife maker, I have set of DMT brand stones with the yellow plastic backing like you show. You call them cheap and sub par, (they cost around $75 per stone) but I've used them for a decade now. Sharpened many hundreds of knives using water... with no problems. 🤷♂️ But if/when they ever wear out, I might try a "Trend" brand. Looks like they cost around $20 more. Not sure I'd bother with fancy fluids though. That seems like a real pain, IMO.
@sdriza
8 ай бұрын
I've had a good experience with my DMT "duosharp" plates as well... I keep thinking the fine/extra fine must be "done for" but I'll give it one last try.... and it just keeps on cutting. Really good experience with them so far.
@Shneebly
4 ай бұрын
DMT makes the more expensive type as well.
@hj8607
5 жыл бұрын
Your comment , of coarse , was a joke . But using WD-40 is, for sure , not a lapping matter .
@RICDirector
4 жыл бұрын
**holds nose, ducks and runs!** that one STUNK, my friend... :P ....like WD-40.
@metallican2295
4 жыл бұрын
Stoooooop lmao
@musamor75
2 жыл бұрын
This is the common sense channel. Quite simply the best I've seen so far. There's no superfluous rubbish- it's straight to the point. Excellent advice. You're well up on every subject you advise on. I was brought up on oilstones, but am considering the diamond stone option. Thank you for your sharing your knowledge. Greetings from France.
@dougrobison1156
7 жыл бұрын
Dear Stumpy, I am so sad to hear you are not experiencing the fantastic feeling of Zen tranquility that comes from becoming one with your sharpest edge!
@brk932
7 жыл бұрын
you mean tremor inducing rubbing action
@mudzette
7 жыл бұрын
Thats my favorite part of cooking when I get to sharpen all of my cooking knifes!
@AlergicToSnow
7 жыл бұрын
A necessary evil, but evil nonetheless
@MasterofPlay7
6 жыл бұрын
go look up Kezuroukai, Planing Competition, if that's not zen, what is?
@Bob_Adkins
3 жыл бұрын
Something more important to protecting your diamond stones than oil and water: Avoid high pressure on the stone. If you bear down too hard, say 20 pounds on something like a narrow chisel, you could get 1000 PSI at the point of contact, causing damage to the stone. Remember, when the contact area goes down, the PSI goes up!
@robertbarr8001
5 жыл бұрын
What an excellent, informative, well-presented video. Even concisely summarised at the end! Well done and thank you.
@richardhaas1989
3 жыл бұрын
I used the Trend lubricant but found it no better than the rubbing alcohol I have used for years. And yes, lubricating makes a great difference.
@WinStunSmith
5 жыл бұрын
“Diamonds are the hardest material on Earth.” Pffftt..... whatever. You should meet my ex. I guarantee her shriveled, black, hardened heart would slice through a diamond like butter.
@seriousmaran9414
5 жыл бұрын
Lonsdaleite and wurtzite boron nitride are supposedly even harder than diamond, but there is so little that they can't actually measure it.
@Denruter
5 жыл бұрын
We must have the same ex...🤔
@lenonkitchens7727
5 жыл бұрын
You must be my ex's second husband in disguise...
@tikkidaddy
4 жыл бұрын
My ex and your ex have to be related
@thersten
4 жыл бұрын
@@tikkidaddy you're all related too........and bitter 😂😂😂
@michael_the_chef
Жыл бұрын
Atoma is the best and lasts the longest, tried all of them, at least for all kind of knives. For polish Ing i use higher grit japanese Water stones, suehiro, shapton and my favourite: naniwa chosera. Depending on the usecase of the knife, i go up to 3k-8k and strop them a few times on the rough leather side up after that. If i want to get a toothy edge, i strop one side of the edge a few times over a 3k stone or a leather with a 4k diamond compound. I fixed and regrinded a ton of knives on my 400 grit atoma, after wearing in, it doesnt seem to be as aggressive to the touch of my finger as new, as soon as i put a blade on it, it still cuts a lot faster than any other stone. I like diamond plates only, if it has to be fast, i need to fix something deep, reprofiling or i need a very toothy edge, otherwise i prefer proper whetstones. The edge of a diamond sharpened tool isnt the same as sharpend on a whetstone.
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
Settle down.... The "We should keep people who love sharpening away from sharp objects" comment is a JOKE, folks. Just a joke...
@captainscallawag8812
7 жыл бұрын
Stumpy Nubs LMFAO the fact that you even have to say that it's a joke is completely hilarious...
@meshugunner
7 жыл бұрын
"We should keep people who love sharpening away from sharp objects" - That's it. We can't be friends any more. Other than that, excellent advice
@tomdickharryjane
6 жыл бұрын
Such a traumatic statement! Ug oh, I need to go SHARPEN SOMETHING QUICK TO GET RID OF MY STRESS!
@leanrascal3155
6 жыл бұрын
Of course it's a joke. Why, did some people not get it? I LOL! Awesome video. I loved it. Many thanks for sharpening the knowledge, I mean, SHARING the knowledge!
@danskifte4979
6 жыл бұрын
Stumpy Nubs o
@Imightberiding
7 жыл бұрын
I have had 3 diamond stones (400, 800, 1200) similar to the yellow plastic one that was shown in the video for almost 20 years. I epoxied each of them to a flat smooth piece of 3/4" granite that were off-cuts from a kitchen renovation I did. I cut each piece of granite the size of the diamond plates (about 2 1/4" x 6") & then epoxied them to the top. The result is a very flat solid set of diamond sharpening stones that have lasted for a couple decades so far. I also applied grip tape, used on stair treads or skateboards, to the bottom of each stone so they stay in place while using them. I have used them often over the years & still use them regularly for almost all my sharpening tasks (depending on the tool, axe, knife or chisel etc) & I have always used a solution of windex & water or simple green. I rinse them in hot water after each use, occasionally I'll use a brush as well (finger nail brush or vegetable brush) while rinsing & then let them air dry on their sides. I have never had a problem with them rusting or delaminating & they still cut just fine.
@ThreeLittleBirds111
6 жыл бұрын
I have a set of ceramic stones made with man-made sapphires ..I bought them 33 years ago back in 1985 when I bought my registered Trapline ..Now I'm 64 and its time to hang up my snowshoes and sell the line ... Then stones were in my log cabin when she burnt to the ground .. They survived it just fine ..the intense heat didn't seem to bother them .. And yes I've always used vim to clean them and wash them off ..no problem what so ever ...
@johnnycake020
6 жыл бұрын
How much do you want for them?
@CuriousEarthMan
5 жыл бұрын
@@johnnycake020 my thoughts exactly lol
@prepperjonpnw6482
5 жыл бұрын
I want them!!! Bidding war ensues!!
@solitaryrv5335
5 жыл бұрын
SO...the Trend products are not absolutely essential? LOL! I think he would not be happy with this...
@bradcarlton8665
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry, thought you were a knife person. Easy to throw a working edge on a soft steel. Try sandpaper and the bottom of a ceramic coffee cup and you will see how even your technique can be further dumbed down.
@dexpeavy4887
7 жыл бұрын
I love to sharpen and have used most types of stones and brands over the past 50 years. I have been using the "cheap" yellow DMT product(s) shown in your video since the early 80's and have never had a problem with ANY of them!
@skinhead-ej8ff
6 жыл бұрын
Dex Peavy good to know. I wanted to get some stones and if they work they work
@jackdooley8732
4 жыл бұрын
Dex Peavy ; Agreed. I don`t do that much sharpening. However I have been using the same DMT "stone" for the last 20 years. Has not changed at all, works the same as the day I bought it. Mine is still red.
@tictac9229
Жыл бұрын
That sounds really interesting, could you send a link to the company's website so I can look at this stone you use?
@joeyoungs8426
Жыл бұрын
Same here. I bought mine as a set a while back. A base and two dbl sided mesh stones. They have served me well and no more trying to keep all my traditional stones the same flatness. I actually use one of diamond stones to flatten the only traditional stone I still use. Very happy with the set.
@MrMalthusMusic
6 жыл бұрын
I am genuinely astounded at the quantity of idiotic and spiteful comments. Personally I really enjoy your videos mate, I always learn some useful tidbits and your style of presentation is concise, clear and light hearted. Keep up the awesome work Mr Nubs! PS, please do more videos where you discuss the construction and style of period furniture, they are fascinating and your passion for woodworking really shines in those videos.
@davidjohnston1971
7 жыл бұрын
I also cut gem stones and use numerous diamond laps. A well made lap should be fine with water based lubricants. If a lap rusts it was not plated very well. The nickel plating should be bonded to the steel plate affording protection from rust. Believe me, the volume of lubricant needed for cutting gems, you are not going to be buying tiny bottles of expensive honing fluid. A little liquid dish soap or Simple Green in water is fine. Paul Sellers has been using the same laps for years with nothing more than glass cleaner. I do concur on not needing more than 1000 mesh. My finest mesh is 1200 for cutting gems. I go straight from that to a Lucite lap charged with aluminum oxide for mirror polishing on gem stones a lot harder than any steel. Charge your strop with white diamond (aluminum oxide ) compound or green compound (chromium oxide). These both come in hard blocks you can rub on your leather for charging.
@kengamble8595
7 жыл бұрын
David Johnston Yes sir, you are correct. I've worked a lot in gem stones also and it really can be helpful in putting an edge on metal, even had a bit of a side business sharpening knives.
@bandols
7 жыл бұрын
I also agree, but the Trend Diamond stones rust so easily it kind of is disturbing. I have the trend stone but will be switching to the same stones paul sellers uses due to not wanting to spend a few hundred dollars a year on lapping fluid.
@davidjohnston1971
7 жыл бұрын
You could sub regular car antifreeze for the overly expensive lapping fluid. It provides excellent lubrication and contains corrosion inhibitors. I've used a 50/50 mix in my diamond gem saws for years now. The metal in those saw blades will rust just from looking at them while thinking about water.
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
You must do a TON of sharpening to go through it that fast!
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
You've had a stone rust?
@NordboDK
4 жыл бұрын
Noooo, don't keep them away from sharp objects, they will sharpen anything nearby if you don't help them modulate their behavior. Suddenly you don't stomp your toe on the table leg anymore, you just lose your toe instead!
@camerongaul261
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. I tried the cheap diamond stones and thought I just sucked at sharpening because of how difficult it was to get the chisels razor sharp on diamond stones. I saw this and bought ones which had the electro process described, now I'm a weirdo who enjoys sharpening and I'm gonna get near all the sharp objects!
@randykniebes5364
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for your great explaination of using the diamond stone and undertanding the details.. I really enjoyed meeting you and talking to you at the TREND booth at the NOVI, MI WOODWORKING SHOW. As always, great information....
@dougjohnsonbushcraftandbjj5561
5 жыл бұрын
I find myself sharpening my tools even when they are razor sharp, it is very satisfying and relaxing. I'm certainly one of the "weirdos" that find it enjoyable
@underthetracks
5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you could be spending time sharpening the tools of others in that time when yours are already sharp. I heard it's like 2X up to 8X more satisfying and enjoyable
@man_at_the_end_of_time
Жыл бұрын
I used a coarse (Harbor Freight) diamond plate to level a stone, I've been using the stone for 60 years.
@robertwear640
6 жыл бұрын
I use an ammonia free glass cleaner on my diamond plates and wet or dry sandpaper as recommended by Paul Sellers. I get it at Dollar General for $1.00 a bottle. Works great, doesn't cause rust and is cheap.
@mvfd1224
5 жыл бұрын
Same I'm not spending 30 dollars a bottle for that trend stuff
@shakdidagalimal
5 жыл бұрын
the video guy is using a WATER SOLUBLE blue lapping fluid - in other words, it's 95%+ WATER .... LMAO
@spawniscariot9756
5 жыл бұрын
@@shakdidagalimal That's not what wate-soluble means, mate
@shakdidagalimal
5 жыл бұрын
@@spawniscariot9756 sure thing judas - it's probably over 99% water, you'll buy some though, because so, so dumb.
@spawniscariot9756
5 жыл бұрын
@@shakdidagalimal Salt is water-soluble, tears aren't ;)
@rhouseratfatfinger
7 жыл бұрын
So water is not OK as a lube, but OK to clean up? DMT recommends only water for their plates, though it would appear, based on your critique, you aren't a DMT user, at least the plastic substrate plates. EZE-lap recommends water or light petroleum products; clean up is with water and household cleanser. I have had some of both for more than 20 years now and I use odorless mineral spirits on both, thinner than water, evaporates, low film, and in the low quantities used in sharpening is contact safe for me. (Some people may find it causes skin irritation.) Nitrile gloves seems to be adequate protection if you're going to be doing a long sharpening session, a small fan directed across the work surface should disperse any vapors if that's a concern for you.
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
I don't use water to clean up the stone. As for DMT- I own several of their products. I don't like their laminated ones. But they make a solid stone as well.
@IIISWILIII
4 жыл бұрын
Great information, thanks for sharing! I think some are giving you a hard time about the lunatic joke because your delivery was flatter than those monocrystaline stones you are raving about!
@markdmaker3173
4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Thank you for bringing clarity to sharpening. This is the best lesson and sharpening I’ve seen in 30 years.
@pop1626
5 жыл бұрын
Cheers for sharing your knowledge in such a straight forward and easy to get the gist of life lessons you have learned. Thanks from an Australian Shed Dweller.
@OldSneelock
6 жыл бұрын
Interesting point on the film thickness of WD-40. I wonder what the effect of pressure on the tool during the sharpening process is? Does the tool float so well that it can't penetrate the film? If the film is floating the swarf away that would be a benefit.
@newrez
7 жыл бұрын
I like sharpening things :( I find it relaxing
@Crazyknives
6 жыл бұрын
ReZ same here!!
@heidbumbee1689
5 жыл бұрын
Very informative, thanks! Not sure whether I got more info about diamond stones or a better understanding of the relationship between OCD and lack of anger management from viewing the replies. It doesn't matter what you post some nugget will take offence
@caleb7922
7 жыл бұрын
I’m not offended or anything by your joke about a “lunatic” who loves sharpening blades but would I be one of those people if I were to sharpen my machete aggressively and ferociously in front of all of my little sister’s boyfriends to scare the living shit outta’em...just curious..😂🤞🏻
@prepperjonpnw6482
5 жыл бұрын
LaughingChaos don’t forget to mumble that you have been to prison and you’re not afraid to go back lol
@johne7100
5 жыл бұрын
Diamonds in nickel are in suspension, not in solution. If they were dissolved they wouldn't be diamonds any more.
@MountainFisher
6 жыл бұрын
I have a very good EZE Lap diamond plate embedded on a wood base. I sharpen by hand and I hold the stone and knife in my hands when I sharpen. (It's how I learned) The wood base is helpful to keep me from slipping and scratching the blades. It started as a medium grit, but is now medium fine, but then again it is 16 years old. I use water on it as its a stainless metal. I use my diamond first and then finish with a hard Arkansas stone just to polish the edge up. Most of my cutting tools get a working edge or a butcher's edge. A polished edge so sharp you can shave your face with is too sharp for many applications, although I do polish the edges on my leather tools. I make knives for a profitable hobby and have done so for 25 years now. A diamond stone is a necessity for some of the high vanadium steels as they are very wear resistant. I made a knife from D2 tool steel and found sharpening it with a regular stone took way too long and then I found out about diamond stones.
@crichtonbruce4329
2 жыл бұрын
I've sharpened thousands of tools and a friend asked me sharpen a new D2 knife he bought. Using traditionaldiamond
@nicholasburks1118
Жыл бұрын
Been using an Atoma japanese diamond lapping plate for 4 years now. It has an aluminum base with a replaceable pad. Held on by adhesive. Still within 1/10k of an inch. I know your against them but I would give it a try. Best tolerances on the market imo.
@tracyjackman6515
5 жыл бұрын
My zen is sharpening things. Mirror edge finish with a strop!
@nakoawarrior3186
4 жыл бұрын
So that's why they use glass cleaner. If I could get something sharp I'd have a moment of Zen. I'd like to have a sharp knife or a sharp planer blade.
@TimRoyalPastortim
7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video... Thanks James! My 2 cents... have had great luck with Windex... dries fast on its own and has very little thickness
@crichtonbruce4329
2 жыл бұрын
Me to, I started with it and never found a reason to change. I contemplated trying Fantastic spray cleaner, bur I worry it could leave a deposit that might get gummy. I've read several times that if you add a couple drops of dish soap to water that works quite well.
@nroman1977
2 жыл бұрын
For lubricant on my diamond stones I use 1 cap full of Honeright Gold w/ distilled water in a 250ml spray bottle. Plate doesn't rust, it's reasonably priced, thin enough film thickness for 400 and 1200 grit Atoma plate and 250ml is enought for a year of home sharpening and cleaning the stones after use. BTW the 300/400 grit stones also can be used to flatten water stones.
@maguraboy
7 жыл бұрын
Informative video.But waterstones are the best way and diamond plates to flatten them.
@nicolem376
5 жыл бұрын
Total newbie...my daughter had a good laugh when I wailed “Nooooo” when you mentioned the harbor freight stone I just bought. 😂😬 The harbor freight stone says “three layers of diamonds are nickel bonded to steel frame”...is that the same as electroplating? It doesn’t sound like adhesive. I will upgrade to better quality when this wears down. Thank you for the informative video!
@Grunt49
4 жыл бұрын
If you want to hear wailing,price the Shapton glass.
@CWdobro
7 жыл бұрын
I will spend a whole day of blistfull zen I find sharpening very relaxing and stress relieving!
@beebob1279
3 жыл бұрын
I have some WWII machine gun oil (surplus) from dad for sharpening. Just about out of it now.
@fredrik.larsen
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I've been trying to make heads or tails of this sharpening "stone" jungle. This is perfect for me.
@nathandaniel5451
2 жыл бұрын
Bro just called me out in the first minute. I buy tools to sharpen, I borrow my mate's tools to sharpen
@petekelly61
7 жыл бұрын
I wish you posted this about a month ago! I just dropped $140.00 on the Norton Water Stone starter kit. Oh, well. I always enjoy your videos.
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
Water stones will work fine. They just require maintenance, are more messy, and don't drop them. But they will do the job.
@brianm.9451
7 жыл бұрын
Pete Kelly I dropped my money on Sigma Power Select II ceramic stones. They wear fast but evenly and cuts well. I also have a Norton truing stone and a nagura stone. I use diamond stones (DMT) for fixing edges. Diamond stones are awesome, abraded stupid fast (on O1 or PMV-11 it performs brilliantly), and is durable.
@jamesbarry6431
7 жыл бұрын
I have replied to your comment above.
@casperj.b.1705
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I would add: use the eraser after each longer sharpening. It makes the stone cut alot faster. I almost started to dislike the diamond stones until i began cleaning them with the eraser. Since they were working slower each time. I find that window cleaner feels like it makes the processes more effective compared to the trend oil. But not sure why.
@dobypilgrim6160
5 жыл бұрын
I love my mind to be numbed. I love sharpening knives. My favorite is stropping, lol. 😀 So I started stropping while watching your video. A Mora this time
@Storyholder23
2 жыл бұрын
Guess I'm one of those weirdos who enjoys sharpening. Great video, really helpful discussion about lubricants and why the price difference in diamond stones.
@DrRich-mw4hu
6 жыл бұрын
I I love sharpening my kitchen knives! I find it rewarding and relaxing🤔
@Prof-em1yt
7 жыл бұрын
I bought the Trend 300 / 1000 diamond stone. However, the $5 an ounce Trend honing fluid is off the table for me. My favorite British woodworker considers the value proposition akin to a snake oil selling. He still uses automotive glass cleaner. I hope the two sided Trend stone I just bought lasts. I am still in the breaking in mode. Amazon reviews are mostly good but the negative reviews are flatness issues and diamonds falling off. I hope the Trend warranty is not contingent upon buying and using the Chanel no. 5 priced honing fluid.
@buckrogers6665
7 жыл бұрын
Hi James, I just read my above post and it fails to provide my thank you for your thoughtful videos.
@jameshoops5257
5 жыл бұрын
Trend lapping fluid is on Amazon for 13.99
@keirfarnum6811
4 жыл бұрын
Prof10000 A mix of Simple Green and water (50/50 mix) also works well since it provides lubrication but prevents rust. Also works for drilling steel too. Got that one from AskWoodman.
@Bizzhatesme
7 жыл бұрын
If you are sharpening by hand and not in a jig, the flatness of the stone is negligible. I doubt any of the viewers out there could even measure the difference. I have used the multi layered stones (DMT) for many many years and checked my work on an optical comparator, its nice having a full machine shop at your disposal. The price difference between them (multilayered) and a single piece unit is just not worth it considering the results.
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
Flatness my be less important with knives, but this video is about woodworking tools. And flatness does make a BIG difference when you are sharpening a hand plane.
@Bizzhatesme
7 жыл бұрын
Stumpy Nubs then you should be sharpening with a jig. Or having them precision ground by a qualified grind shop. If you are sharpening it by hand you are going to be at a minimum of 5 tenthousandths out, just from going between grits. I doubt you have the set up and proper equipment to even measure that, so it's a moot point.
@Shrinekeeper1
4 жыл бұрын
I’m one of those crazy people that find sharpening relaxing.
@imranh5395
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent advice without any time-wasting nonsense, Thank you Stumpy Nubs!
@psy7251
2 жыл бұрын
It's such an informative and interesting video that I watched all of it, when in fact I don't have any sharpening to do except my kitchen knives from time to time on an old fashioned two-grit sharpening stone.
@th34lch3m1st
6 жыл бұрын
7:16 "...but wood is an abrasive material and after a couple of stroke your 20000 grit edge is gonna be worn down to that 1000 grit anyway..." ......5 MINUTES STANDING OVATION.
@barkebaat
5 жыл бұрын
I concur wholeheartedly. I've stumbled across some videos where the great zen honing master is getting all masturbatory over his near mythical Japanese natural waterstones and the magical properties they impart to his steel. Now... every man needs a hobby, and I can see the appeal that sharpening steel to a ludicrous degree might have to the obsessively inclined. I really do. But I work wood for a living. I havn't got the time. Sharp enough will have to do. Been using a set of 3 plastic-based DMT diamond stones with water the last 4 - 5 years. Very pleased with them.
@De_Lars
5 жыл бұрын
@Dick Fageroni sorry to say this i agree that stropping is the method that is used for ages and it is one of the most effective older techniques out there. But a razor is not to be compared with a chisel or any other woodworking edge. Because of the complete different metal composition...
@AndreasNkleby
5 жыл бұрын
All edges look like a saw under a microscope, and how coarse the saw teeth are dictates how fast the edge turns dull. So, a finer edge will remain sharp longer. This is also why wood, a material softer than metal, works as an abrasive - because the blade has tiny teeth that gets stuck and bent on the wood. That said, depending on what you’re doing should dictate how you’re honing. A chef has better use of a 6k stone than a bushcrafter or carpenter
@a0flj0
5 жыл бұрын
@@AndreasNkleby Most of the times, indeed, a carpenter doesn't need to go above 3000 or 4000. But that's for planing, not finishing surfaces. You can never get a surface as smooth with abrasives as you get with a plane. Some Japanese guys (obviously!) made a video with microscope photos of planed and sanded surfaces. No matter how fine, sandpaper always leaves fibers that are torn but still attached to the surface, and decrease the smoothness. A plane cuts all fibers at the same length (provided it's sharpened by a maniac) and leaves a significantly smoother surface behind. True, the cutting edge won't hold for long - that's why, when you go to such grit, you need to resharpen often.
@bitfreakazoid
5 жыл бұрын
There are applications where having an extremely sharp steel using a much higher grit than 1k is desired. Not really needed when you are just hacking away.
@johnnyjames7139
5 жыл бұрын
I like your presentation but, I will buy nothing from amazon period.
@carlantaya175
6 жыл бұрын
I've been using my plastic base dmt plates with water for over 10 years, no issues at all. The only one that actually isn't holding up is the 120 mesh stone which is the only one on a solid metal plate.
@ArikGST
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think the guy is trying to sell the Trend product. The plastic on DMTs and Eze-Laps doesn`t really effect anything, flatness comes from the metal plates glued to the plastic, and if you dry em nothing should rust.
@Gidjoiner
5 жыл бұрын
I've used the plastic DuoSharp diamond sharpening stone professionally for over 25yrs with water, it's still going strong with no prob, my mistake was buying the fine/extra fine when i should have bought the middle one, coarse/fine. The extra fine on is too fine for general use.
@JamesDHendrickson
4 жыл бұрын
I have been using the DMT plates for around 7 years now. I have to agree. If anyone follows the link he posted read the reviews, not impressed compared to my DMT set that works fine with water.
@Jettset80
4 жыл бұрын
There is nothing wrong wit those stones! Stumpy doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just trying to promote the lapping fluid which you dont need!
@Lewie82
3 жыл бұрын
Here in the future, I'm looking between Trend and DMT, and I'm finding lots of quality issues with the Trend diamond blocks. DMT still seems to have a huge fanbase, along with Atoma. I like Stumpy, but this recommendation is a miss. I'm hopping on the DMT train!
@johngriffin2420
3 жыл бұрын
Love Your Show, where in Canada can I purchase the Trend 300, 1000 grit dimond plate
@StumpyNubs
3 жыл бұрын
Amazon?
@ex-nerd
7 жыл бұрын
I think Paul Sellers uses windex with his stones. It's in the same category as water, though -- accidentally got a few drops on my band saw table and ended up with a bit of annoying rust to clean off.
@davidkuhns8389
7 жыл бұрын
He doesn't use Windex. He uses automotive windshield washer fluid. Works for me, just fine, too.
@erickuehne4194
7 жыл бұрын
All of the, ahem, solutions, used as alternatives to water are still water based. The reason they will work better, although I'm not sure how much better, is that they all have surfactants (think detergent) that lowers the surface tension. And when you're trying to keep intimate contact between the tool and stone that will matter. Like I said, I don't know if you can perceive it but it will have some impact. That said, I've been using water forever. Maybe I'll try it. And if you want to just a few drops of dishwashing soap per liter should be fine.
@buckrogers6665
7 жыл бұрын
When he says he buys 500 ml of glass cleaner he is not talking about windshield washer solvent. 500 ml is about 17 ounces as you would buy in a spray bottle.
@Cocpain
7 жыл бұрын
Paul Sellers does use window cleaner, but I don't think he uses plates I am pretty sure he uses stones, although I think with the ammonia in glass cleaner it takes the water with it when it flashes off (dries) so no worries of rust, think about when you clean a window and you watch the streaks of moister evaporate in front of your eyes. But this is all guessing, I uses plates and glass cleaner and it works well, no rust in almost 2 years.
@tennesseewebb2651
7 жыл бұрын
you're all wrong. it's not Windex or automotive windshield washer fluid. He uses glass cleaner. not to be confused with window cleaner. And yes he uses diamond plates. Eze Lap plates to be specific
@fordman7479
4 жыл бұрын
I love sharpening stuff I just suck at it
@barry7608
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks heaps very interesting and I agree whole heartedly re "excessive" sharpness.
@Timeren2010
4 жыл бұрын
Sharpening is ZEN, guess i am one of those people. And i am even a knifemaker, so i must be seriously fucked up....
@keithrobinson5594
6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video as usual! Thanks. Can't understand why some folks take exception at a light hearted presentation done so informatively
@solitaryrv5335
5 жыл бұрын
I like the videos on sharpening products and techniques, and may actually purchase Trend products; but I am pretty sure this was scripted and favoring Trend products over many others. That sort of bugs me somehow...
@robeb4
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I liked the video and have a Trend stone and DMT combo. However, I thought this video seemed like a promo for Trend. DMT diamond stones (the yellow plastic plate in the video) are very competitive with Trend and are certainly not cheap and have a good rep.
@mcorrade
7 жыл бұрын
Question: which is better for dressing my grinding wheel, a dressing stone or those "T" shaped dressing tools with diamonds?
@MrSlushy87
4 жыл бұрын
Tormek sells a concentrated rust inhibitor (ACC-150) which they recommend for use with their diamond wheel. I simply buy a spray bottle of window cleaner, add a cap of the concentrated Tormek fluid (Tormek says around 4%) and give it a good shake. It's easy to spritz on the stones and it lasts a long time.
@robertzeurunkl8401
7 жыл бұрын
I'm a little bit apprehensive about taking knife sharpening advice from a guy named "Stumpy Nubs". ;-) HAHA Just kidding. Thanks for the helpful video.
@pattywhack4123
7 жыл бұрын
Robert Zeurunkl now that's a funny joke!
@philipwebb960
5 жыл бұрын
With a name like "Stumpy Nubs " at least you know the knives are sharp.
@thyartiswaffles758
7 жыл бұрын
Guess I'm a psychopath, I've always been fascinated by knives, swords, anything with a blade! And I find that sharpening your blades is a very intimate act where you truly understand the nature of the blade. And it's much more satisfying to sharpen my blades myself rather than pay someone to do it.
@mdearcos
5 жыл бұрын
you are a truly sharpening philosopher, man
@TaylerMade
7 жыл бұрын
good for you taking the b/s out out of sharpening. we have wine snobs, coffee snobs and now we have sharpening snobs . don't you just love youtube lmao
@TomeRodrigo
3 жыл бұрын
What is a problem with a sharpening? Everyone is different, and yes, I enjoy sharpening. The same as someone enjoys polishing their car.
@mimibecks7049
5 жыл бұрын
Hi Thank you for posting this video. Got my Trend from Amazon and today was my first chance to try diamond stone on some hand planes and I was very impressed with the results. The process of sharpening took less than all the things I tried in the past and I don't have to worry about need to flatining me stone etc. So thank you again and will keep watching your videos.
@MrRourk
6 жыл бұрын
For the tools I use diamond stones for the coarse work. I do the fine and ultra fine work with ceramic stones.
@michaelagalasso2389
7 жыл бұрын
DMT recommends the use of water on all their diamond stones.
@221Dw
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah trend fluid is just money making product not really needed. Just make sure you dry the stones after.
@tuma420wc8
5 жыл бұрын
Ive noticed your shaking,check alkalinity in your water and flouride count.
@ParamountRepurpose1830
7 жыл бұрын
What brand is that honing guide you've got there?
@StumpyNubs
7 жыл бұрын
Trend. One of the links above will also have the stone in a kit with the guide. I got the kit a few years ago. It's my favorite guide.
@johndavies4146
5 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your video I sharpen my tools to use and not as a hobby
@ryannavarre4161
6 жыл бұрын
I feel like i could displace 10 microns of wd40.
@richardsinger01
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that 17 micron film of wd40 would easily be displaced by the relatively collosal pressure between the tool and the diamond cystals. A water film would be much thicker still. I think this is just sales talk from Trend.
@a.lame.username.
2 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda shocked at how good that was! Thank you. I'll be going deeper down this rabbit hole...
@peterschug3591
7 жыл бұрын
I love keeping my tools sharp and in good condition. With diamond it's very quick. I've been using water for years with no problems. I rinse with the hottest water I can get out of my sink, dry with a paper towel and the heat drys any water I've missed. I also do my kitchen knives. I used to do my ceramic knives but I gave them away. I can actually get a better edge on steel. I think the ceramic edge crumbles microscopically even if you sharpen to a relatively coarse angle. Concerning steel tools, you get to know which ones take a really good edge and which are so, so. Even the same brand of high quality tools aren't always uniform in their ability to take and hold a sharp edge. I make pretty good violins and truly sharp tools make a big difference.
@221Dw
5 жыл бұрын
I get the feeling the honing fluid is just to make money, been using water in mine and it's fine. Just drying off well and leave it in the open to dry.
@Bert2368
5 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely correct about the ceramic kitchen knife blades "crumbling". It's why they keep cutting, not because of the hardnessnof the ceramic- The edges on these constantly crumble, giving a ragged saw like edge. See the microphotographs of this here: scienceofsharp.wordpress.com/2018/02/24/ceramic-blades/
@janetburrows137
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks. 💖🙏😇
@tinman1955
7 жыл бұрын
We don't have diamonds in the land of Oz so I sharpen my axe on Dorothy's ruby slippers. Besides, my friend the lion is afraid of diamonds.
@ericromano4028
6 жыл бұрын
No worries my heartless friend, rubies are still harder than even hardened steel. Should be fine!
@sparky81181
3 жыл бұрын
The Atoma stones are aluminum with an adhesive, but it is still a high quality sharpening stone. I've bought cheaper steel plates that aren't as flat so its not all about materials, build quality is key too.
@Wood_Slice
5 жыл бұрын
How about using DMT Dia-Sharp bench stones? They are also monocrystaline and electroplated like u mentioned
@BDM_PT
7 жыл бұрын
Hi there from Portugal, Nice info :D Obrigado(Thanks)
@mattmorrisson9607
6 жыл бұрын
Ok, you talked me into it! I had a moment of weakness, and a gift card...so now I have a new diamondstone and some holy-hell-that-crap-is-expensive lapping fluid on its way!
@jonathancheesman8385
7 жыл бұрын
Man made micro diamonds=real diamonds....
@Cactustone
5 жыл бұрын
First off, awesome video! For anyone crying about the Trend sponsorship, it might be worth pointing out that other furniture makers, such as Rob Cosman also recommend the Trend 300/1000 combo. This does bring up a question I have for you, James: what is your take on using 6000 grit glass stones to flatten the backs of your chisels? I fully appreciate your point regarding wood being an abrasive material, and not requiring honing past 1000, but am still curious as to whether the 300/1000 diamond stone and leather strop combo meets ALL your chisel and hand plane sharpening needs (purposely excluding router bits, etc). Cheers!
@StumpyNubs
5 жыл бұрын
When I say 1000 is enough, I mean for stones. Then you strop. The strop replaces the 6000 grit stone for a lot less money. If you have the money, the 6000 grit glass/ceramic stone is a great option instead of stropping because it is faster. You can only move the chisel in one direction on the leather strop. You can polish it quicker on the stone. I have a glass/ceramic stone and love it. But it's an expensive luxury that you can do without if you have a leather strop and some paste.
@aldever4968
7 жыл бұрын
in warrior cultures sharpening your knife, sword, axe, whatever helps to bind the user and tool together.
@ChoppingtonOtter
6 жыл бұрын
Al Dever In my local church in Northern England the men of the village used to sharpen thier swords and arrows on the stone pillar just inside the church, the idea being you might also get some divine protection that way! The grooves can be seen to this day in the stone.
@tlaim
6 жыл бұрын
We Klingons tell stories of our battles while sharpening our weapons.
@davidrustylouis6818
5 жыл бұрын
@@ChoppingtonOtter - That's awesome. That kind of history & evidence of historical traditions fascinates me.
@RADCOMJ1
5 жыл бұрын
at 8.21 "avoid using your stones dry" I spat my coffee out and nearly fainted from laughing. Good insight, thanks Stumpy; I am a bit miffed about my cheap diamond tools though....who knew :-)
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