Who here noticed that the ambient background music is just some songs from Duck Hunt, but slowed down by a lot?
@brendongyde
5 жыл бұрын
Is that what it was... I thought it was from a 1965 porn video.
@estebangonzalez6068
5 жыл бұрын
Simply Retro DX that’s friggin cool.
@Kara_Kay_Eschel
5 жыл бұрын
@@brendongyde Why not both?
@PlaceholderforBjorn
5 жыл бұрын
🤯
@Phethario
5 жыл бұрын
Well, Duck hunt used the music from a 1972 porno movie sped up.
@rimmersbryggeri
5 жыл бұрын
Duck hunt is fun for about 5 minutes. Making it work on a modern tv is fun for 5 years. LOL
@mattresetar7178
5 жыл бұрын
It's a great game.
@tekgeekster
5 жыл бұрын
It's more of a novelty. It'd be great if they could adapt it for other consoles like xbox, ps2/one and dreamcast. That'd be neat.
@rimmersbryggeri
5 жыл бұрын
@@tekgeekster I dont remember what console Time Crisis was on but its one of those that you mentioned ps2 probably and it had a light gun which was very fiddly to calibrate properly.
@exactspace
5 жыл бұрын
rimmersbryggeri It’s history important to be preserved more than anything.
@tekgeekster
5 жыл бұрын
@@rimmersbryggeri I remember. It has a calibrate option in every light gun game and it was a pain to center some times.
@litlclutch
5 жыл бұрын
really like the way you animated how the NES sent the signal to CRT's and how that varied to newer LCD's, Very nice.
@thedankgoat7972
5 жыл бұрын
Why is this man's voice so soothing?
@Scorpwanna
4 жыл бұрын
To help put you to sleep so he can scoop you up in his white van.
@ayobeasy6951
4 жыл бұрын
I know strangely I can't stop listening I keep trying to switch off
@tyeedavis7054
3 жыл бұрын
It's soothing in a weird creepy way. Lol
@bengeorge3839
3 жыл бұрын
His voice reminds me of this guy JangBricks on KZitem that does Lego
@fr_schmidlin
5 жыл бұрын
It's not a "CRT filter". The limitation of the original Light guns is that they can only "see" infrared, because the CRTs also emitted infrared amongst visible light. It was made like this because it was cheaper, as they could use the same infrared photo-receptors that were used for remote controls everywhere. And LCDs emit no infrared light. Those clone guns seem to use a different photo receptor that's able to operate on the visible light range.
@Sakanakao
5 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting comment! It's not a theory I've seen put forward before. The filter explanation I offered in this video was based on analysis others had made of its schematic, and some testing of my own, but I have not personally investigated every possibility and I had not considered wavelength of the light. Though I would say that in my tests I got the zapper to respond to both CF and LED light sources. I'm not sure which (or both) you're including under LCD TVs not emitting infrared light, I don't know very much about the non-visible emissions of these things. The CF it responded to continuously, but the LED it only responded to at the moment of being switched on or off, and both of these observations appeared to fit the filter theory. If you have a source for the infrared idea, I'd love to read more on it.
@fr_schmidlin
5 жыл бұрын
@@SakanakaoThe source is my own research on the topic. :) The MSX computer uses exactly the same light-gun as the NES. Adapting from one to another is just a matter of rewiring. See here: frs.badcoffee.info/hardware/lightgun_adapters.html You can test it the IR reception yourself: The light-gun works as a remote control receptor unit. Just point any IR remote control to it, it will see the pulses.
@luiszuniga2859
5 жыл бұрын
@@Sakanakao The 8-Bit Guy was the same problem with an old camera: kzitem.info/news/bejne/yq6d2Y13n4xpmKQ the camera only "see" warm light.
@JohnSmith-qn3ob
4 жыл бұрын
If the NES Zapper can only "see" infrared then how did Chipos81 get it to work with a blue LED? kzitem.info/news/bejne/pbB_tnumhKFkdJw LEDs only emit a narrow band of light and blue is almost completely on the other side of the color spectrum from infrared.
@shmehfleh3115
4 жыл бұрын
CRTs don't emit any IR. The P22 phosphors used in color CRTs emit narrow-band red, green, or blue light only. Even old B&W CRTs used phosphors that emit only white visible light, with no IR component.
@TheLasombra077
5 жыл бұрын
Retro gaming needs to come back. Duck hunt and Hogan’s alley are gems.
@andrealeo8580
5 жыл бұрын
The background music is haunting
@retronartz1268
5 жыл бұрын
Petrectet 123 its just the duck hunt soundtrack slowed down
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez
5 жыл бұрын
it is duck haunting
@sibottle
5 жыл бұрын
@@AlejandroRodolfoMendez lmfao
@nowonmetube
5 жыл бұрын
It's actually duck hunts music slowed down lol
@PapadumGeek
5 жыл бұрын
Ok, now lets do Time Crisis :P
@philthestampede
5 жыл бұрын
Right? Last I heard, there was this dude in Greece making wiimote mods for the dreamcast, but he said he wasnt doing it anymore.
@peterparker6584
5 жыл бұрын
casually looks from right to left. Whistles and slides across a case of beer and a sticker. Then starts running to avoid angry mob with torches and pitchforks. I don't understand why nobody yet has made a modified light gun equivalent so you can play these old games on a LCD television. There are quite a few really good shooter games out there that From what I know you still can't play on an LCD, such as the games for the Nintendo super scope. You can bet your happy ass. I am not going to attempt to move a 36 inch color vacuum tube television in order to play Nintendo super scope games I want to play them on a 60+ inch flatscreen, dammit! There was several I never got my hands on back in the day and you can't play them without using one of those old televisions, . Then there's games like house of the dead time prices Terminator two revolution and the list goes on.. You'd think somebody be making a little unit like attaches to the Nintendo will and the other end plugs into whatever emulator machine you're using and then you can use your light gun on a modern TV
@PapadumGeek
5 жыл бұрын
@@peterparker6584hahaha. actually there is a product called aim track. But works with pc Roms. It's actually not that bad.
@philthestampede
5 жыл бұрын
@@PapadumGeek the real question is can you use it with your snes classic?
@peterparker6584
5 жыл бұрын
@@PapadumGeek .what I wouldn't mind finding is some sort of a gun that will work on Roms running on a system connected to a LED type television games like time crisis revolution and a host of others that were in some cases arcade only releases would be really nice to be able to play them with some sort of a gun on a modern television where it's just a unit you buy for like 50 bucks and plug it into the machine and plug whatever gone into it or it comes with said gun. I'm a very basic person who prefers things that are plug-and-play ready for it. There is a particular console. I've got my eye on that will run most arcade ROMs by simply putting them on a memory card and putting the memory card in the machine. It doesn't require you to know a lot about programming and such. . For guys like me ROMs are the best option we can have access to all those games. We couldn't have access to as a kid, especially things like forgotten arcade games and now you've got things like save states. You also don't have all the clutter of having hundreds of cartridges and CDs all over the place multiple consoles and all the rest of that stuff. Don't get me wrong, I've got a PlayStation/Xbox collection that would scare people with how many games I have. But when you get into things like snatcher for the Sega Saturn. I had a brand-new sealed copy that I sold on eBay and never played because the game became so damn valuable that I didn't even want to attempt to run it. I'm hoping to one Day play it on a Emulator system with a light gun.
@karleopard
5 жыл бұрын
I think buying a CRT would be cheaper.
@Delta225
5 жыл бұрын
Much cheaper. You can get one for free if you look hard enough. People don't want them anymore, yet they're too dangerous to just throw away.
@tetsujin_144
5 жыл бұрын
It's not for everyone though. To get a decent size CRT in good working order, and come up with a place to set it up, not gonna be worth it for many players.
@sethhorst6158
5 жыл бұрын
But if you want ones from the 1980's, that's when they start getting pricey, I do have a 1980's TV in my bedroom closet, but unfortunately the little device that converts terminal input to coax got damaged and I can't find a replacement so now I'm stuck playing the NES on a analog CRT TV from the 2000's.
@TheCoolDave
5 жыл бұрын
The Tommy gun on Amazon is like $8... but, yea, if you dont have a ROM cart, it can get a little expensive
@K176Y
3 жыл бұрын
yeah but i cant find any
@dvdcd
5 жыл бұрын
A really great video that deserves more support. The animations are great, and vary informative!
@littlebit670
5 жыл бұрын
Here is the guide in steps: 1. Buy an Everdrive-N8. 2. Patch a ROM of Duck Hunt. 3. Buy the Hyperkin Zapp Gun.
@mirabilis
5 жыл бұрын
Step 4. Give up. Buy a crt.
@JnL_SSBM
5 жыл бұрын
There is no patch existing for SNES Super Scope or for Sega Menacer so still impossible!
@jonathancepero9356
4 жыл бұрын
would this "Patch" idea, only work for Duck Hunt?? I have 5 Zapper games, and I wanted to see if this "Patch" idea would would be successful with other Zapper games like "Hogan's Alley" or "Gotcha"??
@JonathanNelson-nelsonj3
5 жыл бұрын
The Slow Mo Guys did an awesome video about how CRT displays work differently from LCD. They show in very slow motion the scanning pattern of CRTs verses the "fade wipe" style transition LCDs have. Very cool. I understood there are two models that the zapper could use. One used the timing of the electron beam scanning across the screen to figure out where the gun was pointing. If the gun saw light at the instant the NES was drawing the target in the screen it would know you were pointing at the target. Most games used the other mode that would blank the screen and show a white square, one frame for each target. If the gun saw light for that frame it would register a hit.
@radornkeldam
5 жыл бұрын
I don't think the zapper has enough sensitivity to be a scanline-type gun, like later guns had in the 16 and 32 bit consoles. The SNES Super Scope, or the Namco GUNCON do work the way you describe, with very granular timing and sensitivity to detect positions on the screen based on the exact time the electron beam lights them. But the NES Zapper, probably doesn't have enough sensitivity. Also, it would bog down the CPU testing each pixel, whereas, with black frames and white targets, the CPU only has to test the gun each line, perhaps each frame. which is a lot less checking... at least 341x less xD, which is the number of pixels in each line on the NTSC NES, counting active video and blanking.
@JonathanNelson-nelsonj3
5 жыл бұрын
@@radornkeldam I believe you are correct that the Nintendo Zapper did not use the scan line method. In fact looking into it a bit more I found that the controllers were polled by the CPU to get their state which would probably happen between frame renders. You are correct that the polling would have been exponentially more for the Zapper than the controller since it would need to know multiple times per scan line instead of once per frame. It would be possible if the controllers used interrupts instead of the CPU polling them. The Zapper button would activate the sensing circuit and trigger an interrupt when it saw the scan line. That would cause the CPU to check where in the scanning process it was. If it was in the middle of a target then it would score a hit. But I digress...
@radornkeldam
5 жыл бұрын
Talking about this something just occurred to me. I don't know, by any stretch, all Zapper games there are on the NES, but it seems to me like most of them probably are very similar to duckhunt in the sense of there being a static screen, with not much going on, and one or two moving targets. No scrolling, no music generally, no animated backgrounds... Maybe it's because polling the Zapper is already so intensive that it prevents doing much else? Perhaps I'm going too far with the conclusions xD
@Y34RZERO
5 жыл бұрын
I kinda want to try this but then again, I kept my CRT for this purpose and the living room is the retro room, bedroom is the newer PC room with a PS2.
@JuggaloSupreme
5 жыл бұрын
I still have my PS2 going between the new TV and the old giant CRT TV. I use the CRT for Time Crisis 1 through 3, point blank, and the vampire gun game I can't think of the title right now.
@Y34RZERO
5 жыл бұрын
@@JuggaloSupreme I only got the GTA games on my HDD for my PS2 so I don't like connection to the old TV in the livingroom. I use a component to connect to my TV in the bedroom. 480i or 480p(hitman blood money) is so much better than the 240p you get with composite, S video and RF. Also it's close to my PC where I store a majority of my games and load them over the network to play.
@JuggaloSupreme
5 жыл бұрын
@@Y34RZERO - on the main TV we use the Wii U, Xbox 360, and PS4. On the 42 inch CRT I use the PS2, but only for the PS1 games and the PS2 light games. The PS1 games are not supported by my HDTV. But the setups are probably 12 ft from each other so yeah downstairs is our gaming, music, and DJ area. I use component for the PS2 and HDMI for everything else of course. The Nintendo and Super Nintendo have no problem being played on the HDTV, but not light games obviously. We have like 70 games on our Wii U, classic games, but most of the Nintendo and Super Nintendo games I play are on the computer which is also downstairs. I just plug in a PlayStation 4 or Xbox 360 controller and map the buttons.
@MechaGodAnri
5 жыл бұрын
@Master Darius My eye vision is perfect when I last went to the eye doctor a few months ago and I stared at a CRT at work 12-14 hours a day 5 days a week for roughly 12 years. Now memory issues, that's another story lol.
@Jacob-rt6on
5 жыл бұрын
I still have my ps1 and ps2, I even have my old dreamcast still
@mootbooxle
5 жыл бұрын
This is great news! I’ve actually been contemplating whether to get rid of my Trinitron and light gun games was kinda my last hurdle. Great video!
@lhill8181
5 жыл бұрын
Dont the trinitron is dank
@PhirePhlame
5 жыл бұрын
The Slomo Guys showed that modern TVs, though fully lit at all times, do actually "fade" from top to bottom.
@Sakanakao
5 жыл бұрын
It depends on the TV, but yes many do have an update pattern that goes from top to bottom, though that's not the only pattern I've seen. It doesn't matter for the issue in this video, though, the signal is still buffered and delayed, and the rate of light change is generally too slow to be picked up by the NES Zapper.
@dylanharding5720
5 жыл бұрын
@@Sakanakao the update pattern is controlled by the input, mostly being 1080p (top left to bottom left, the most popular one rn) and 1080i (interpolated, does left to right on odd lines then even lines)
@HelloKittyFanMan.
5 жыл бұрын
72, why the quotes around "fade"? Is it not actual fading (but too fast for us to see it)?
@peterkiss1204
5 жыл бұрын
A flickering backlight makes your eyes tired quicker than the constantly lit screen. That's why they got rid of the PWM brightness control. (Actually they didn't, just use an integrator circuit to filter out the flickering.)
@dylanharding5720
5 жыл бұрын
@@peterkiss1204 no screen is constantly lit.
@plgDavid
6 жыл бұрын
Very well made! I love the pixel art animations :)
@JasonBay-RealEstateInvesting
6 ай бұрын
I want to play duck hunt. I want to show my son duck hunt but unfortunately after watching your video, I still don’t know what to do.
@ssjaken
5 жыл бұрын
Dude. I could listen to your voice forever
@TaikoDrumroll
6 жыл бұрын
This was fascinating, I don't even remember why I subscribed to your channel.. I think it was on accident being completely honest, but I am sure glad I stuck around!
@cjdejesus7761
6 жыл бұрын
Spoopy background music
@seanthompson9718
5 жыл бұрын
Spoopy? 🤔
@HillBillyBrown
5 жыл бұрын
Sean Thompson it’s 2019 and you’ve never heard spoopy?
@@HillBillyBrown Lots of people are. I just happen to not be one of them.
@geoffmooregm
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the NES and game creators would have ever predicted their work would soldier on for 30+ years in the future. This brings me way back. My brother and I got our NES in 1990 and played on a 27" Trinitron back in the day. I think our patents got so fed up with us hogging the TV they bought us one for our games room upstairs and a couple bean bag chairs.
@AggressivelyMediocre
5 жыл бұрын
Hopefully we can eventually get light guns back. I miss Time Crisis 1 and 2.
@Artzei
5 жыл бұрын
Could this method work with, let's say, Sega Light Phazer or any of the PS1/PS2 light guns?
@dreadnaught2448
5 жыл бұрын
Possibly down the line. Some guy in Greece has already managed to modify a Dreamcast Lightcon to not only work via bluetooth, but also on modern tvs. Here's the link. www.dreammods.net/
@alexbridenbaker9261
5 жыл бұрын
Probably would work on the PS1 (Depends on the model?), but I would think the ps2 would work with a modern tv
@cincodenada
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this succinct and informative video, it saved me from going down this rabbit hole myself 😆 I was sitting here thinking "so I know about the timing issue, but if you hacked the ROM, or even had the emulator just save state and rewind..." and so I'm glad to find out that a) there's another issue involved and b) this problem is thoroughly solved already!
@no1DdC
5 жыл бұрын
There's also another way: VR In VR, you already have a (or rather two) highly accurate motion controllers, so it's fairly trivial to have an emulator that support this. New Retro Arcade Neon has this feature. Since VR headsets run at 90Hz, it can be really fast and accurate.
@MrBlitzpunk
5 жыл бұрын
That's a lot of commitment for an old game Kudos to you
@KuraIthys
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting observation about televisions, though I'm fairly confident this isn't the case for computer monitors. That might not be immediately obvious because even on CRT televisions and monitors, a lot of computers (especially from the mid 90's) were using double buffering in hardware, which creates the same effect, roughly speaking... However, if you disable VSYNC on a modern graphics card, and can render a scene at higher speed than the monitor's refresh rate, you still get screen tearing, indicating it's still updating the display as the information comes in. The NES light gun however depends on a technique that just doesn't work on modern displays. However, the SNES technique (aka the light pen technique also seen on older systems in a different context) is even less likely to work on a modern display, since it depends on the actual scanning pattern of a CRT, timing, and the fact that while persistence of vision and phosphor decay disguises this somewhat, the actively drawn screen location is vastly brighter than anything else onscreen. Which simply isn't at all true for an LCD no matter whether it's updating in realtime or not. Even if you mimic the update pattern of a CRT, which many LCD monitors still do, you still won't get the kind of visual brightness changes that a light pen depends on. However, the NES Zapper is not based on this principle, instead it seems to be based on flashing a bright frame to tell when the light gun needs to respond, then flashing a bright box around each possible object the light gun can hit in turn to determine which of these causes the light gun to respond, if any. Thus the system knows because of the relationship between the response and the timing, which object was hit. Quite why this doesn't work on modern displays, I'm not entirely sure. (the light pen method can determine actual screen coordinates of what the light pen/light gun is pointed at, but is perhaps even more finicky...)
@Billyshatner88
10 күн бұрын
So 5yrs later does it change with LED and Oled Tvs or does the same issue persist and what about plasma tvs?
@willrobbins1651
5 жыл бұрын
I can tell the background music is the Duck Hunt intro theme music when I play back this video at twice speed. It's like a slow motion Duck Hunt theme.
@TheArseen
5 жыл бұрын
Nice. Now I want 2 things: 1: Repro carts of all light gun games on NES with the patches (I have Ever Drive but still carts would be cooler). 2: Super Scope and Enforcer replicas that work and repro carts of all light gun games on SNES with the patches (I have Ever Drive and SD2SNES but still carts would be cooler). Other consoles would be cool but those 2 especially.
@honbra
5 жыл бұрын
Nice ASMR I like it (Like really it’s quite calming)
@benjaminvlz
5 жыл бұрын
Does the Zapp Gun really work on LCD TVs? I was looking into it on Hyperkin's website and the product description says it won't work on LCD, LED, and most modern HDTV television sets.
@merlinious01
5 жыл бұрын
Because the gun by itself wont. You also need the software changed to compensate for the lag.
@freedomlover9560
5 жыл бұрын
It would be even better if the entire screen didn't go black every time you squeezed the trigger. As soon as that bug is squashed, then it'll be golden. The next logical step would be to put out an NES Classic version and start selling those shooter roms.
@TheKyGuy
5 жыл бұрын
I have a challenge for you now: I would like to see if you can get a Super Scope to work on a modern TV set. I have a Super Scope and loved playing it when I was younger, but was majorly disappointed when I read online-and later confirmed in real life-that it only worked on CRT sets. I still have this old CRT set from my childhood so I could still use it, but it’s only a matter of time until it fails.
@Lost_n_Found_1
5 жыл бұрын
Nifty. What gets me is that everyone is always talking about Duck Hunt with the Zapper. I know, it was the pack-in, but Hogan's Alley is arguably a much more challenging and entertaining Zapper game. I'd even recommend Gotcha! over Duck Hunt, on which you play capture the flag paintball on a 2d side-scrolling field, while using the dpad on a controller in port 2 to move left and right while shooting your opponents. It was really, really cool to play that way when it came out.
@lunitaproductions8290
5 жыл бұрын
Now i want a Sega lightphaser, a konami justifier & a namco guncon to work on modern displays
@ShreddinSleds
19 сағат бұрын
I wonder if this can be done with older arcade games like big buck Hunter?
@flyshades2213
3 жыл бұрын
It would be cool if there was a company making widescreen modern thin crts. That would make retro gaming feel more modern
@harpmudd
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you can use the Tomee Zapp Gun and an NES to NES Classic controller converter on the NES classic (and use Hakchi to load the patched gun game roms).
@RossWasTaken
5 жыл бұрын
I had a plug and play 40 games in one thing, and the lightgun sensor built into the top of the controller (it was shaped like an N64 controller) worked amazingly
@RossWasTaken
5 жыл бұрын
edit: I found it :) "118 Arcade Classics"
@OtakuUnitedStudio
5 жыл бұрын
The lag can be eliminated in most LCD TVs by turning off the upscaling/memory buffer. In mine, it's even labeled as "game mode." And I HAVE to have it turned on to play Smash Bros. online.
@JuanDiaz-jo1rw
3 жыл бұрын
I clicked on the link for the gun, but it says it doesn't work on LEDs or LCDs. So now I'm confused.
@JamesW81
4 жыл бұрын
All you need is the Sinden Light gun.... It's kick-starter made 10x the original amount required, they release regular updates of progress and it should be going on commercial sale after the Kickstarter orders are fulfilled.
@AdamSweeney85
5 жыл бұрын
The music in the background of this video is great.
@marinellovragovic1207
3 жыл бұрын
It's the duckhunt title screen music slowed down by roughly 16 times
@SobreviventeGames51
8 күн бұрын
My friend please help-me my old TV stop working again and this time we can't fix it I have a Super Nes Super 6 and we love it, we play with a everdrive yoshi safari and other classics, do you know if this gun works on it? or if have some "SuperScope" like this that you bought ? Thank you for the video that gave me hope
@XmegaPresident
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if AMOLED TV's would work since they are self lighting pixels like a CRT and do not have a backlight like a LCD.
@filanfyretracker
5 жыл бұрын
probably not because I have heard that Plasma TVs also have had issues with light guns. OLED works similar to Plasma with regards to the fact that each pixel is its own emission source.
@Checco105
2 жыл бұрын
On the description it now shows another gun (Light Gun) and not the one showed in the video (Zapp Gun). Will the "Light Gun" still work (with the modded rom) on a flat screen TV?
@KurisuKagato
5 жыл бұрын
Ahhh... so no wonder you dont see the CRT TV through an old video camera (with the static lines going down the TV in a rapid pace)... The screen flickering on a CRT is too fast for that camera to keep up.
@tekgeekster
5 жыл бұрын
That, and a few other things. It's not just the rate at which it refreshes I believe. I can't remember what else factors in that you need to sync up with a crt refresh rate.
@grandinosour
5 жыл бұрын
Set your camera to 15 or 30 frames per second and you will see an almost flawless video of the tv screen
@tekgeekster
5 жыл бұрын
@@grandinosour right. Modern vintage gamer did a video on it. If your default camera can't do it, then he recommended an app that can.
@conchobar
5 жыл бұрын
CRTs display an interlaced image, meaning the odd number lines of the images are shown (drawn out line by line), then the even numbered lines are drawned out. This happens at 60 frames a second. Video cameras will be out of sync with the CRT.
@tekgeekster
5 жыл бұрын
@@conchobar right. Despite the fact that it's running at the same frame rate. That's what I was forgetting. Thanks
@CrescentZelda
5 жыл бұрын
I'm so lucky I still have my CRT TV
@Sakanakao
5 жыл бұрын
This is a much nicer comment than all the people below saying "just get a CRT", or "CRTs grow on trees". I am glad someone appreciates that owning a CRT isn't a simple undertaking for everyone. :)
@CrescentZelda
5 жыл бұрын
Me too CRT's are getting harder too find. My other one is broken and CRT's are unfixable
@bunkernuts6293
4 жыл бұрын
@@CrescentZelda Most can be bought for fairly cheap at thrift stores though so at least there's that.
@Ailgadem
4 жыл бұрын
@@CrescentZelda unfixable? Wrong. It's not so hard to fix a CRT, only problem is it can be extremely dangerous if you're doing so while they're plugged in or have been unplugged recently (when i had to fix mine i waited a week before working on it). Also, a very important thing if you're repairing one, you gotta discharge it before touching anything inside. There are tutorials on youtube if you don't know how to do it.
@PerkiReport
5 жыл бұрын
Loved the video, you have a good voice and a good choice in music. Keep it up.
@GMCLabs
5 жыл бұрын
Or goto goodwill and buy a CRT for $5 and play the NES the way it was meant to be played. Pretty cool modding though, I do appreciate that as well. But when I get my man cave build I'm definitely gonna find a good CRT for this. I actually had a really nice large flatscreen CRT. I just didn't have room for it when I moved to my apartment, really was heartbroken to let it go.
@nessotrin
5 жыл бұрын
In more densely populated areas, CRTs rare. Nobody wants them, even the local goodwills. I know a few people who wanted to donate their CRT, and couldn't. Got refused everywhere. Too big and bulky.
@animeanji2465
3 жыл бұрын
The Zap gun doesn't work on my LCD TV :( Is there anything else I need to do with it?
@TheCoolDave
5 жыл бұрын
Where is the modded room ? I have a Tommy gun..but as figured it didn't work but it looks like I have 1/2 of what I need to get it to work..
@TheCoolDave
5 жыл бұрын
neslcdmod.com/ (a simple google search for LCDMOD NES came up very quickly)
@NomadTheProtogen
Жыл бұрын
That Wii remote adaption seems to me like all one would need to do is make a “translator” for the zapper. Something that plugs into the end of the zapper but looks exactly like the original, just making the zapper look slightly longer. As for power, those batteries used in the Dreamcast VMU’s would be good candidates. I personally prefer finding a way to play original carts with a original zapper or a quality replica that gives the same feel of the original. Instead of modifying an original cart, use something that hooks up to the cart like the Game Genie. Maybe playing around with the TV settings can help.
@MezzoForte4
5 жыл бұрын
You have a very sleepy voice. I like it. :>
@hhs_leviathan
5 жыл бұрын
Well? Why not just get a CRT TV or hang on to the one you have?
@CarnivoreConservative
2 жыл бұрын
Am i understanding even with that zapp gun you need to modify software?
@lelsewherelelsewhere9435
2 жыл бұрын
What about using the active shutter eyeglasses of 3d tvs as an added filter "create" faster "flickering"?
@TheThorns
3 жыл бұрын
I wish there was more information on creating light gun games. Sadly NESmaker does not support it, and there is little to no information on light gun programming.
@michaelsegal3558
Ай бұрын
I wonder if this would work with all light gun games or just Duck Hunt because even though Duck Hunt is a great game but actually my 2 favourite light gun games (in no particular order) are Wild Gunman and Hogan’s Ally
@Sauspreme
5 жыл бұрын
what's the point of the filter that Nintendo put on their light guns, if an old 3rd party light gun worked just fine without it? (I'm assuming they work on CRTs if they were designed to be used on them)
@GamersHaven
3 жыл бұрын
Okay so spell it out for me like I'm an idiot. I know I need the *_Tomee Light Gun_* but what also do I need and are there any tutorials online?
@DamianYerrick
6 жыл бұрын
That solves Duck Hunt. But I don't see anything but the LightGunVerter working with Operation Wolf.
@Sakanakao
6 жыл бұрын
At least that one has a d-pad alternative mode. TBH I find its convoluted range-finding process extremely hard on the eyes. I think your Zap Ping game has a much better claim to worthwhile non-compatible use here.
@DamianYerrick
6 жыл бұрын
I agree in principle. But in practice, I mention Operation Wolf to avoid "that's unlicensed/homebrew; it ought not count" objection.
@neslcdmod9121
6 жыл бұрын
I discovered, that at least my TV showing white background from top to down, so there is noticeable delay from top to bottom part of the screen. Check my last video.
@Hipno702
5 жыл бұрын
@@DamianYerrick o
@pay1t0
5 жыл бұрын
So to get the zapper to work on my regular lcd/led tv I need a 3rd party zapper and a mod cartridge? I’m confused
@johnav8rflys
Жыл бұрын
Have you tried this on the Hyperken Retron 5. Did it work? If so how did you get it to work?
@rafeisbest
4 жыл бұрын
Hey quick question sorry to bother but does this work with a retron or any of those nes clone consoles
@soil2416
2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to do a very easy and free fix for this using the crt zapper?
@Straximus
5 жыл бұрын
Something I've never seen addressed: When I first got my NES I played it on a small Black and White set. I soon discovered that if I aimed at the tree leaves, it counted as a hit, every time. I was able to get to (what I considered) absurdly high levels like this, but it was *very* dull to repeatedly shoot the same spot on the screen with no chance of failure for an extended period of time. I don't think I ever had the patience to get to level 100, as I have no memory of the now known glitches at that level. Once my parents became convinced the NES was indeed safe for a color TV set, I moved it over and was never able to replicate the trick. I had wondered why aiming at a light bulb didn't have the same effect. The filter you mention explains that part. I wish I still had that set to experiment with changing brightness and contrast settings. The "green" of the trees translated to a brighter white than the sky. Perhaps there was enough image persistence for it to register. I don't remember if I ever tried shooting the bush or grass, which would have been the same color. Any thoughts?
@Sakanakao
5 жыл бұрын
Hmm, it shouldn't be persistence, as Duck Hunt first checks for a "black" frame before it checks for the white hit square. (That will filter out most light bulbs even if they flicker rapidly like a CF.) I don't know a lot about how black and white televisions differ from colour ones. It seems plausible that it was producing zapper-visible light with the right timing and location for what you're describing, but I think it would take a bit of scientific work on that original machine to figure out the real details.
@Straximus
5 жыл бұрын
@@Sakanakao Well, it's nice to at least be able to rule that out as a cause, and to know that there's not a known, straightforward answer. Thank you for taking the time to reply.
@SavestateComic
5 жыл бұрын
Lots of people used to say the Zapper didn't work because of lag alone, but all you have to do is point out ROB to prove that wrong. ROB isn't connected to the NES in any way so you can have all the lag in the world and it shouldn't matter, but ROB still doesn't work with LCD.
@avidtostudy6552
4 жыл бұрын
How is that ! an opposite information on the Tomee gun Website ?!!! "This product will not work on LCD, LED, and most modern HDTV television sets." could you explain please?!! Thanks
@Sakanakao
4 жыл бұрын
Just because something says so on the package doesn't mean it's true in every sense. They didn't design it to do what I described in the video, it just happens to be more capable than it's intended purpose.
@PlaceholderforBjorn
5 жыл бұрын
I did not know about the filter in the zapper! Good video.
@cameron6262
2 жыл бұрын
I have a lightgunverter and it works well. Wish the setup was less messy but better than nothing. Hopefully we will see a good solution for all older systems
@McNibbler
5 жыл бұрын
What were the hardware mods that would have been needed to remove the filter? Do you have the documentation, because I wouldn’t mind trying to figure out how to remove it myself
@Sakanakao
5 жыл бұрын
I believe it's more or less replacing a resistor and/or capacitor in an RC filter, but I don't have any specifics to offer, sorry.
@joshpoppe1309
7 ай бұрын
Would this work on a new Samsung LED smart tv?
@misfittoy6687
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you could load the lcdmod rom to a nes classic and use a wii 2 nes controller adapter and play duck hunt on a nes classic??
@bradbrown8759
5 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I haven't had luck getting my Sega menacer to work on my flat screen. Same thing with lethal enforcers 1 and 2. And a terminator game to. Even my Xbox silent scope game with the big green rifle. As well as house of the dead. I loved light gun games. They were quick and easy to use. Now I see why I was getting so frustrated trying to set them up. I thank you, and I would like to learn more on this.
@TheTooth666
5 жыл бұрын
so is there a way to make it work on pc games needing light guns like mame???
@yvendous
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information, I may pick this up myself!! Small critique: I noticed the background music's emotional tone was great for the whole video's topic while it was a mystery but while you were rejoicing at the end, the emotional tone was no good.
@KylerFlame
5 жыл бұрын
What did you use to make the pixelized footage of the NES console and the TV's?
@Sakanakao
5 жыл бұрын
Aseprite.
@iljacoveliers5834
5 жыл бұрын
How come nothing is being made for the sega Light phaser ?
@krisswastakentoo
5 жыл бұрын
Waaaait so OLEDs screens work with the Light Guns? I mean the OLEDs screens have black pixels as non-light-emitting diodes so it should work right?
@gulgul2006
6 ай бұрын
Brad, by FAR your video is the absolute best on this topic!! Obviously you take an engineer approach and that's why. I am one too and so it's to the point, clear and informative. I was wasting so much time on the web trying to get my zapper to work and you're the only person to point out that the original NES zapper will NEVER work because of a physical restriction. (You found out directly the hard way and did francis bacon trial/discovery) SO thank you for that!! Once I realized I was wasting my time I have everything set up (The nes mod page is not really clear on the source rom required but thankfully he did provide a checksum so EVENTUALLY I found the proper rom to patch) So I am asking this favor, do you have any info or links. etc. to a workbook to upgrade the LED on the original NES zapper? I figure I could get what I need from Greybar but I am not going to "Guess" at the A-Z (Basically convert a NES to a Tomee diode wise) for example is it just a matter of the diode or do I need to get a board or modify the in-series board ? etc. I could take the guts out of a tomee and put it into my old shells but that's a bit of an expensive way when I have the tools and iron to do the upgrade to the existing NES branded hardware. BTW Props on the home-made gunverter!! Obviously that is really the best solution (if he does a port for all consoles) as it's a physical bridge so it would work with every game without mod and every console without mod of the game itself. If we can present a large enough presence or get a crowdfund going maybe start a project to do full turn-key kits. Basically a gun that has the "Wii" hardware inside of it, a box/adapter that plugs into the console and sits in front of the TV (like the Wii sensor) and boom. We just mass market them, maybe even sharktank it. but anyone who would fund production would need to know it's going to sell.. I am content with crowdfunding, getting a hopefully large list of buyers and then just make-to-order ship them. I have two zappers, so I will take one, gut it, gut my Wii remote and get the parts for a sensor. Check out the source at that openNES page and make my own just to have it (a Wii embedded zapper) and then if it is easy enough and successful... push for the crowdfund route Let me know your thoughts and thank you for you forthcoming support on this!! By the way your speaking voice is IDENTICAL to JP!!! kzitem.info/news/bejne/22aFxYqPnKV6nm0si=GXHiSwQeWh4VWBhx
@Sakanakao
3 ай бұрын
I've never tried modifying the original zapper. I think you might be able to disable the high frequency filter by snipping one of the pins of its internal chip, but I'm not sure which one. The LightGunVerter seems like the best general purpose solution, but its creator has never put it into common production. They left behind source and instruction on how to build it, at least, but you'd have to find the parts and put it together yourself. I have not wanted to try this yet.
@lennongenera5194
4 жыл бұрын
How do you download the rom to a Powerpak or Ever Drive-N8
@tvt00ns
3 жыл бұрын
If I have the original nes should I just get a CRT TV that they give away for free?
@chrismangrum1283
4 жыл бұрын
I have questions, is there a way to directly communicate with you?
@tonyh.6994
4 жыл бұрын
So can you tell me what to buy in order to play duck hunt?
@stuffhappensdownsouth9899
5 жыл бұрын
please tell me about that emulator your using.... i've use tons of em nestecle nestopia seem the only decent ones
@Thrakus
Жыл бұрын
Is it a myth that early lcd tv did work? there was vids of people getting it to work with game mod
@susumukumo
4 жыл бұрын
Is there a similar mod for the SNES Super Scope?
@ronnyverminck1450
5 жыл бұрын
Why do they state that the ToMee Zapp Gun does not work on LCD, LED and HDTV ???
@Sakanakao
5 жыл бұрын
I think they have to, because it's not going to work without an additional software modification. Maybe it's not accurate to say it doesn't work with LCD but it's probably a lot less confusing than "it will work with your LCD but it won't work with Duck Hunt because of the lag".
@Haze01Smash
4 жыл бұрын
Now in 2020 people will be wanting to get Duck Hunt working in VR with 3D Sen. Is it already playable?
@michael-johnbrown2881
2 жыл бұрын
It's alittle controversial but a other way you can get duck hunt to work on a flatscreen tv is if you have a Wii with emulators download the duck hunt Rom and use the Wii remote as a zapper it feels weird but it works
@ForsakenWolf
5 жыл бұрын
The music indeed is duck hunt, but man am I going to have nightmares.
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez
4 жыл бұрын
Recently people tried to use it but the mode doesn't work on original nes because of the pin headers being to short, maybe just work with theirs products only.
@MrShanester117
5 жыл бұрын
Subscribed! I was on the fence until I saw your dinosaur hat. They sealed the deal
@niiranen
5 жыл бұрын
Dude! I’m a 80s kid and Duck Hunt is a classic for me. This was an interesting video to see but what I wanted to comment on: you should make audiobooks for children :) I would like to test this video with my 7y and 3y old kids. If put this to play on the background when they go sleep, I bet they will fall asleep quite quick. Regards from Finland :)
@atarilegend1907
5 жыл бұрын
I picked up a nice CRT yesterday for 5 bucks, busted out my modded original XBOX, and fell asleep watching Braveheart on DVD. Next I'm going to replay Doom 3.
@jcchaconjr
5 жыл бұрын
Anyone know if this combination will work on a clone console with HDMI output? I've got a RetroUSB AVS, so if it will work on that, I'm TOTALLY getting the Tomee Zapp Gun and an Everdrive N8 to try this!
@Sakanakao
5 жыл бұрын
AVS should be able to work. but an emulating clone like Retron 5 would not.
@LodanSD
5 жыл бұрын
I have a 36" CRT TV with 6 Video Inputs that I tend to use for Classic Systems. The last time I had it serviced was 2010 about 2 months before the shop closed (my uncle was the manager and I knew about the closing ahead of time). When it finally dies I will be a Sad Panda!
@RedMenace0
5 жыл бұрын
Your voice is basically ASMR. Lived the video, though.
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