"How do you play magic on four cards?" - Bosh *Tron Players Luaghing*
@slowlylosingitaaaaaa
Ай бұрын
Imagine after all this anticipation grief isn’t actually banned
@nobacktalk
Ай бұрын
I have bad anxiety and listening to your videos puts me in a zen. You have a calming voice and a great attitude!
@BoshNRoll
Ай бұрын
Love to hear that ❤️
@guillermoromero8041
Ай бұрын
Me too, I tend to wake up around this time every day and luckily I usually have a boshnroll video to put on to help get me back to bed. Sometimes I wake up early and have to put an old video on. I appericate your comment fully and completely
@VsTheWorld1121
Ай бұрын
Hey, HATE to be that guy but since I didn't see you discuss alternative lines at the end of the last Boros vs. Mono Red game: If you are trying to play around his last card in hand being exactly Dead/Gone, casting your Dungeoneer first puts the onus on him to act. If he lets Dungeoneer ETB trigger resolve to trigger Throne, that gives you the out of hit another initiative creature to go back into Secret Entrance and then make a copy of Dungeoneer to go into Forge, forge up the copy and attack for lethal with a pro-creatures 5/6 or 6/7. If he tries to Dead the Reflection or the skeleton in response, you copy the skeleton and kill him. I think you were so dialed in on the copying the skeleton line you were discussing before your draw that you didn't fully explore the "if he has Dead here, how do I win?" hasty forged Dungeoneer out. Much easier to see after the fact of course.
@treycuret
Ай бұрын
H was high-key tilting at that point. I only say that because even I saw that line, and I'm horrible at this game.
@thefloodedstrand
Ай бұрын
I also was trying to not be THAT GUY but I was also praying to see this line unfold! A fun vid nonetheless 100%.
@NYNmetal
Ай бұрын
yeah I think unfamiliarity with the initiative deck got the better of Brian here
@ecobaronenMTG
Ай бұрын
GG Brian. Can we talk about that you made the mistake to register 3 Psychic Frogs in your Sultai deck? Must be an oversight - what a card
@Pokemoki
Ай бұрын
Great piece of content. Loved hearing both players thoughts on the format at the end.
@ashlynwoods8464
Ай бұрын
last turn of the last match i believe if you play dungeoneer + copy dungeoneer thats lethal if they have no dead/gone as-is (attack w 3/4 w prot from creatures, 2/2 and 4/1 with menace, dungeoneer gets in for 3 and one of the other creatures gets in), and if there is a dead/gone you win if you hit a init creature off of throne (you get to throne with the dungoneeer, you get to secret entrance with the copy, you get to forge with second init creature, forge onto copy)
@tateallen9972
Ай бұрын
I got very excited for a moment because of the title and thumbnail. Now I’m still excited for a Bosh video, but sad grief is still around
@Fogshaper
Ай бұрын
"Bant Control - the best mode any deck could ever have." - I've never had a sentence about Magic cards resonate with me as much as that one.
@gothblin
Ай бұрын
This was fun. Thanks, Brian!
@user-fq2jv3ds7h
Ай бұрын
It's almost like banning grief won't hurt the blue black reanimater very much at all.
@BoshNRoll
Ай бұрын
Round 1 Andreas is testing exactly that theory
@DKforever24
Ай бұрын
This video will age really nicely if Grief doesn't get banned in August.
@PVDH_magic
Ай бұрын
Nice concept and video, Brian (though a bit surprised neither of you jammed an Eldrazi list ;)) PS. I know you were pretty out of it at that point of the match, or at least seemed so; but on that final Boros vs Red Stompy turn you seemed very likely to win versus Dead / Gone: If you expect them to have Dead then you should definitely start on casting the only spell you can cast (Dungeoneer). If that hits any Initiative creature you just win by copying it. If you hit Solitude you can probably also win by copying that and exiling both Rabble Masters (and you now have a 6/5 Hexproof Lifelink blocker). If you miss on all of those you can copy the Dungeoneer, attack with everything, and they still lose unless they have Dead / Gone for the Skeleton (not enough blockers for Skeleton, 3/4 unblockable, and the 2/2 token). With the hits you did get, you take Caves of Chaos Adventurer, copy that with the first ETB trigger on the stack, then you get to the two +1/+1 counters room and put those on the copy, and attack with it a 7/5 trample, the 2/2 Goblin and the Skeleton (which dies to Dead). The same you'd do if you hit Dungeoneer except the copy would be (at least) 5/6 and unblockable. Did a quick hypergeometric calculator entry: 89% to hit one of the remaining Initiative creatures or solitude. Not sure if there are other outs. - They can't mess with Dead on your reflection to stop any of this, since they just die to you copying the Skeleton at any point pre-combat. - For a bit I thought that if you missed on everything and they have Dead Gone here you still win if you hit non-land on both of your Dungeoneer attack triggers as the 3/4 unblockable copy gets two +1/+1 counters; but that doesn't work as the second Dungeoneer trigger gets countered by it having protection from creatures so it can't get to be more than a 4/5.
@emctwoo
Ай бұрын
I’ve noticed over the past few videos that it seems like you made the recording cutoff more aggressive/cut off more. It does seem to have helped remove background/road noise tho it’s also occasionally cutting slightly into your words and just generally ending things more abruptly than before.
@ThePenitentSquirrel
Ай бұрын
Honestly, the thumbnail made me believe they had moved up the ban announcement with the Standard Rotation announcement (which is today). [EDIT[ You may want to throw "IF" in front of "WE BANNED GRIEF!" then "TODAY!"
@nickmichal852
Ай бұрын
Love the post-grief content!!!
@timw9745
Ай бұрын
Funny; just watched a rant from PK about grief needing to go and then I see this
@BoshNRoll
Ай бұрын
It is known
@GodzillaFreak
Ай бұрын
Maybe frog is actually what needs to go
@Pokemoki
Ай бұрын
Scam was the best deck before mh3
@Hadradavus
Ай бұрын
Psychic Frog can definitely prove to be the next 2 mana value piece that breaks Delver again (ThrabenU considered the idea, and I haven't listened to it yet but the latest Eternal Glory Podcast episode might also touch on the idea), and the Bug Beans vs. Griefless Rescaminator showed that the potential is definitely there, but until Grief is gone we can't know for certain. It's entirely possible that the white removal and Pyroblasts that won't be getting taken by Grief on turn 0 will be enough to keep it in check (although IMO if we end up in a spot where non-Painter decks are maindecking Pyroblasts mostly to answer the frog, like during Izzet Delver's last heyday in 2022-2023 when Expressive Iteration was in the format, that to me would be saying that the frog is too good).
@lightworker2956
Ай бұрын
@@Hadradavus We used to happily pay 2U for Ophidian: 1/3, unblocked = draw card. Then we paid 1BU for Psychatog and that creature was considered incredibly good. And now we pay UB for an Ophidian-Psychatog that can also Jump and that gets pumped permanently and not just temporarily when you discard cards to it. Froggy is like the OP custom-designed card that people make at home, and that they'd be mocked for making too powerful.
@lesternomo6578
Ай бұрын
thrabenu said it on his channel the other day but the real problem with not banning grief for so long is there's no way to know if something else from mh3 needs to go until presumably the b&r update after this upcoming one
@GodzillaFreak
Ай бұрын
@@lesternomo6578 I'm thinking frog ban might work better than a grief ban tbh.
@amarimars
Ай бұрын
famous midrange card stifle
@iTzDritte
Ай бұрын
What software did you use for the video debrief with Andreas at the end? It looks really sharp.
@BoshNRoll
Ай бұрын
It was just Streamlabs screen recording Discord
@iTzDritte
Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@vincentraitt5697
Ай бұрын
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@thekevmeister77
Ай бұрын
i appreciate the pivot in the face of wotc refusing to ban grief 👍
@ParadiseNigh
Ай бұрын
Goddamn, you know it's bad when GOATed content creators are playing under THE SIMPLE ASSUMPTION that a card is gonna be banned, so they just fucking don't use it..... ...Ban Grief?
@derekcline950
Ай бұрын
I don't play Marvel snap but man, am I stoked to see Deadpool this weekend
@newbornskyfire
Ай бұрын
Thank you Bosh for showcasing the Strong Ladies as a deck choice. I know you are not the biggest fan but I am hyped for it's return once #BanGrief happens. Sahar x
@poultrylord7300
Ай бұрын
Strong Ladies?
@newbornskyfire
Ай бұрын
@@poultrylord7300 the initiative creatures are all female in the deck, so they are canonically called strong ladies of x
@data_abort
Ай бұрын
30:06 I dislike Murktide Regent, but it plays nice with Delver - - or maybe it is new delver, so it's in legacy forever. The red guy too. Delving one card wasnt supposed to be worth +1/+1. It's not worth 1 mana. That's why delve cards are overcosted. A permanent +1/+1 kinda is tho. That's a common rate, if not in legacy. That's your baseline that the x/x creature costs X. .
@philreske3605
Ай бұрын
forgive me if im wrong but isn't reanimate the real problem? Ecobaronen mentioned thousands of cube matches and in cube grief isn't good without reanimate or animate dead. u really want to be hitting a fatty in cube. grief + reanimate is a 3 for 2 with a 3/2 body u could say its a 3 for 3 but some decks dont care about a 3/2 body on the board. even at 3 for 3 doesnt mean u win it's a wash even cards yes u take 2 of cards ur opponent needs but atraxa reanimate is so much more busted and is net positive on cards I'm surpirsed delver doesnt play reanimate especially with the addition of psychic frog. as a one mana get my threat back or take the reanimate decks threat oath is banned in legacy but faithless looting into reanimate on atraxa seems pretty strong and surpirsed it doesn't see play like a build ur own oath atraxa is force fodder in hands without reanimate. idk if fatihless looting is strong enough at sorcery speed and doesnt replace itself like brainstorm and ponder one card that could be a sleeper is souls of the lost but idk if it's good enough souls of the lost ditches an atraxa and could be huge with wastelands around and such ive had this come into play in cube as 10+ power behind a bazhaar consistently
@philreske3605
Ай бұрын
banning wasteland would be far more interesting imo there's problems with that obviously but ya'll mentioned the daze/wasteland boogey man
@alexparsons3295
Ай бұрын
Pre post grief acceptance
@JimWolfie
Ай бұрын
I was so excited cause I thought this title was claiming you got grief banned
@Deoxippus
Ай бұрын
If grief is getting banned, I really hope murktide goes with it. I do not miss murktide in every deck.
@pokeyclawz8727
Ай бұрын
I dont think it will ever happen but i feel like reanimate should be banned in legacy as well as grief. My belief is that the effect shouldnt be available for 1 mana, it should start at 2 with like animate dead
Ай бұрын
Hello!
@nooneatall5612
Ай бұрын
you are my favorite magic guy, but whenever you play initiative I hope you lose. the video idea is great
@dm1004
Ай бұрын
No grief ban
@legendarydragoon1462
8 күн бұрын
Im not following your logic. Your bug deck that you have won multiple championships with while grief has been legal is now suddenly not good enough when the only top deck still playing grief is reanimater? Frog had already taken the place of grief, there was no need to ban it. If anything frog and bow master are much more detrimental to the format as a whole
@masterchaosforge
Ай бұрын
This video yet again renews my belief that Broadside bombardiers is a horribly designed magic card and I think it shouldn't exist
@treycuret
Ай бұрын
There are so many horribly designed Magic cards in existence that singling out any one of them is kinda useless.
@lightworker2956
Ай бұрын
I want to live in a world where Broadside Bombardiers is the sole OP card, and we ban it, and then everything is fine again. But in a world with so many OP cards, singling it out for a ban doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Unless you also advocate for banning 20 - 30 other cards.
@grantwozniak9456
Ай бұрын
I am surprised it is clearly a grief ban. I personally think reanimate is a fine ban instead to slow down the deck. I do not know which of grief or reanimate is the harder card to design around from a WOTC perspective.
@Dracomandriuthus
Ай бұрын
Reanimate is part of the red black reanimator list, which has generally been a fine, if all in, combo deck. Grief scam is problematic because its a UB tempo deck with access to an over the top finish
@bobbymccullough3210
Ай бұрын
UB Reanimator has been a deck for over a decade. Reanimate has never been the problem. Grief is.
@grantwozniak9456
Ай бұрын
@Dracomandriuthus I think reanimate is more of the problem. As more cards like troll and grief that can easily get into graveyard are printed reanimate will get better. I think it stifles more potential future cards getting printed.
@total_dk6517
Ай бұрын
@@grantwozniak9456 But a reanimated troll for 2 mana, 2 cards and 6 life is not nearly as busted as a 0 mana, 2 cards, 0 life "look at opponents hand and get rid of their best card". One dies to removal and the other is ready for another go with Animate Dead etc. Next turn. Should we also ban Animate Dead then?
@grantwozniak9456
Ай бұрын
@total_dk6517 1 mana or 2 mana makes a huge difference. The turn 1 double grief is what makes it busted. Having to wait for turn 2 to animate dead the grief would not be nearly as oppressive and the clock is not there as a 2 power grief hitting you on turn 3 is way different than 3 a turn on turn 2.
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