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@LukeVesty
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not an audiophile. Not even close. But I just find this guy compelling to watch and I'm having trouble not watching any more of these videos.
@fatphoca5009
2 жыл бұрын
Now you can see how ahead of the game Meridian was decades ago.
@parthmadhubhai689
2 жыл бұрын
I think we all are excited to hear an a700 vs ls60 comparison. My bet is on a700 but no comparison can be found yet unfortunately
@tommorrison9724
2 жыл бұрын
Another thoughtful and thought provoking video. I think the vast majority of listeners would be very happy with the LS60 (or LS50 Wireless/LC62 combo, or Burkhardt kit) once they got it in place and used equalization to tailor it to their room. As for the build versus buy integrated comparison, I’ve always built systems and enjoy the process. But buying what is basically a bespoke amp/speaker combo designed by some of the world’s top audio engineers is an attractive proposition.
@TheSurfingCat
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your patient and thorough review John. I've been without my system for a while after my Yamaha amp gave up the ghost. The KEF LS60 Wireless was one system option I was considering. I'm not one to rush decisions so I appreciate you not rushing your review. The most useful part of your review for me was when you mentioned "small rooms" and "less than ideal room setups"; I think that's a really important thing to highlight to people that one of the main characteristics of the system - it's "dynamic wallop", isn't going to do well in a small, oddly shaped room with wooden floors, alcoves and other room issues that magnify reflections and bass. For me, I think a possibly better option will be to pick up an NAD M10 V2 to pair with my LS50s (original) and get a KC62 on trial to see if I (and my neighbours) can live with it. Finally, I think KEF might have missed a trick with the LS60 Wireless. With their big soundstage and impactful delivery they could make a fantastic home theatre setup if paired with LS50 Wireless II, or a small box like the Powernode and some passive LS50s as rears. If NAD/Bluesound can manage it, I'm sure KEF could work out a way to code 4.1 surround through their app. I hope it's something they are considering.
@electricsnut
2 жыл бұрын
If by future, you mean throw away 10k tower speakers that will be superseded in 3yrs like the KEF LS50W were and cut off from updates… Thats assuming the amplifiers don’t die before then also.
@vikrambhaskar7976
2 жыл бұрын
What an outstanding review Darko!!! Cannot be more satiating than this. Appreciate the hardwork of comparing them to passive systems in multiple configurations around the same price point. The end message about active speakers in general was really thought provoking!!
@JC.LC.
2 жыл бұрын
What about the warranty on them? Because if remember correctly the LS50's only have 1 year warranty. In my opinion that's not enough, if KEF believes in their products then they need to show that to the consumer by offering longer warranties.
@randomtube8226
2 жыл бұрын
5 years for the speakers and 2 years for the electronics. Totally agree!
@joesshows6793
2 жыл бұрын
I have some KEF speakers from the 90s and they still POUND.
@electricsnut
2 жыл бұрын
@@joesshows6793 Your speakers from the 90s were far simpler and better built, seen quite a few LS50W on marketplace that have issues…
@ggc7318
2 жыл бұрын
Made in China ? Hmm...
@dksculpture
2 жыл бұрын
Just like iPhones. Not a problem if they’re well designed and QC is good.
@riccardovargetto7990
2 жыл бұрын
Your angle is always interesting. I had the opportunity to listen to these beauties in a wonderfully treated room in a hifi shop here in Rome and I have to say that they’re impressive! Such a big sound from such a small and skinny cabinet! I think I could live with these ones.
@thirdkey9
2 жыл бұрын
As an owner of both component/passive & minimalist/active systems, thanks so much for the anticipated dive into these but also for the sharing on your appreciation for both types. Both actives and headphone listening were my gateway into audiophile waters and the separates jungle. Especially with gaming, vid stream of multi-media plus casual music listening and for social gatherings, I really dig on what my actives provide. When it comes to vinyl, more critical listening and all other activity, the jump to the other system provides a whole other beloved experience.
@mchrome3366
2 жыл бұрын
Almost every great find of my library of electronic music over 50 years has been by DJ’s recommending artists on college radio so it’s been a special treat to add to my music and listen to your great reviews of audio gear at the same time. Thanks.
@mikehuntington4440
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent job with the review! My only problem is with the built-in streaming software. I purchased an original pair of LS50 wireless, and the software was absolutely terrible! Kef did NOTHING to fix the problems it had. You are at the mercy of a company if they put out a bad update or anything. And because Kef have proven to me, that they ultimately don't care about long-term customer service.... I would not trust them. Just a word of caution for anyone considering spending this much money on these speakers.
@TPQ1235
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review as usual John! Your team is my go-to source for information on all things high end audio, and one of my top 3 KZitem Channels.
@williamglasgow9853
2 жыл бұрын
I can see the attraction for a reviewer to create a new narrative as in 'future-fi hi-fi'. And I must admit being influenced by the 'notion' having purchased Kef LSX a few years ago. In my case someting went amiss with the streaming section shortly after the warranty period elapsed. It seems to me now that I would have been much better off with separates as for the cost of having it repaired I could have replaced a separate with a brand new updated component. Maybe there is a future for 'past-fi' !
@Inflator82
2 жыл бұрын
That's my main concern with those active speakers. Something (amp, speaker, streamer) goes down out of warranty and you screwed. There might not even be spare parts for this or other model in few years time.
@Z-u-m-a
2 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@electricsnut
2 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of KEF speakers with issues on marketplace, your not an isolated incident
@stephenjohnpresnal4310
2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for a mention of/comparison with the Buchardt A500s - one of your fairly recent ‘Products of the Year’. I know these are floorstanders (and much more expensive), but the Buchardts also go down to 25Hz - around the same as the LS60s. It would have been interesting to see how the 2 compared soundwise.
@darrenkutner
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, however the A500s are about £2k cheaper so is it fair comparison... nonetheless I'd like to know what JD's opinion might be as I have a pair of A500s on trial (which I am enjoying). I think Buchardt have the model right, bypass the second party retailer and make the parts serviceable and replaceable - job done. I'm tempted to try out the S400 mkII and the i150 amp but I'm just not sure that I can be bothered as the A500s are active, all the work is already done!
@aeromaniac13
2 жыл бұрын
Wow you listened to the Wipeout soundtrack!? I got goosebumps hearing you talk about it in the podcast. SUCH A GEM! You should check out the video game Frequency (PS2), a precursor to Guitar Hero but all electronic music. Symbion Project wrote a lot of music for it, and it's all so good!!
@kobymile5453
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this review and comparison. LS60 is out of my budget. I booked LS50W2 and it is getting delivered next week. I will add KC62 when my budget fills up.
@Tanner_o
2 жыл бұрын
I love your review, you have the whole window context of the audiophilia and that makes this a perfect product review. I just miss a room correction for an totally active system, can't understand why Kef miss that big win.
@maxamg1120
Жыл бұрын
Just such a wonderful review. Thoroughly enjoyed the 2 vids. I too am split between hifi building enthusiast and someone who just wants it all to work seamlessly. Thank you, John
@baronvonaux8294
2 жыл бұрын
“The ‘what-abouters’ amongst you”. Classic! One of my all time favourite Darkoisms.
@timafken2297
2 жыл бұрын
I have to a a degree the same split personality, but for my own money I would always go active and the KEF solution are just from my Point the by far best bang for the bug and also very pleasing to the eye. Would love to have the LS60W
@Soledata
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for recommending Craig Finn. I went to see him at The Turf Club because of this. Great show! Great review!
@Halarue
2 жыл бұрын
Finally part 2 is here
@azamayub
2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a future comparison with Buchardt A700 with its Primare bubdle
@cinqiwc
2 жыл бұрын
A pair of active speakers like this with Dirac or similar would be the ultimate set. Thanks for this great review!
@GutekZ
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. Would love to see these with some kind of Room Correction.
@vqa33
Жыл бұрын
YOU're the best reviewer i've seen for KEF ls60
@jeedmodorn5494
2 жыл бұрын
Craig Finn and Leonard Cohen somehow manage(d) to fuse words with music in a unique and compelling way. Opening with a record recommendation is a good reminder, as is always the case with @darko audio, that music is where it's at. And our striving for top sound quality is but means to this end.
@gilbertolazo8620
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks darko, been waiting for this.
@doctorbritain9632
2 жыл бұрын
Great review John. I think many of us have your split personality problem, not least because of the WAF scenario some of us live with. The LS60 has the selling point of, "look honey I've got rid of all those ugly boxes and the hifi rack". I guess if you still want to tinker and can afford it, and have room, the answer is to have two systems. The living room aesthetic of an LS60 type product, and maybe a man cave separates system?
@flynow5614
2 жыл бұрын
I'm so old I remember when KEF offered speaker kits.
@kevinmcgrath3591
2 жыл бұрын
me too, I bought the T27, B139 and B110's and copied the IMF transmission line cabinets, sounded great......
@Rascallucci
2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to compare the LS 60 Wireless with the new Dynaudio Focus 50 Wireless.
@adrianrorvik7488
2 жыл бұрын
Nice one, but I would love to see a comparison with the Buchardt A700.
@chapman6304
9 ай бұрын
I listend to the LS60 Wireless through different genres and they sound pretty good, especially the bass is something else. I loved my KEF LSX for years. BUT if you want a sleek looking, easy to use and superior sounding combo for 5k, i highly recommend you to check out the KEF R3 Meta and pair it with a nice streaming amp (i went with the NAD M10 V2). Small combo, doesn’t take up much space and sounds exceptionally well. I can tell you this combo creates a sound - wow, that’s what audiophile means. Active speakers are convinient - I get it - but the “two speaker & an amp”- Combo isn’t that complicated to use either, it’s nearly the same as active speakers once set up. And the KEF R3 Meta will last you a lifetime. I wouldn’t bet on a 10 year lifetime of the LS60. Thats just my experience, either way you will get a nice system! And if the high end active speaker thing gets more people in the space - more power to them!
@freddymcculloch6811
4 ай бұрын
I have the R3 meta/Hegel H390/kc62 and it sounds incredible next to LS60S.
@whitecrowuk575
3 ай бұрын
@@freddymcculloch6811better than ls60?
@barneyrubble9309
2 жыл бұрын
Sadly they can't do a passive version but hopefully they could do an active version without the internal dacs/streamers. I'm using LS50Metas with dual lyngdorf BW-2 subwoofers (well worth a review in their own right) via a Lyngdorf tdai-2200 room corrected and doubt i could improve on that system without spending mega bucks.
@engelweh
2 жыл бұрын
Please forward to John: Is there any chance for a comparison between LS60 and its most obvious competitor: Buchardt´s A 700 with the Platin Hub? That would be really great
@Cross291
2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful review again! Enjoyed watching it and can’t wait to get my hands on the LS60 Wireless for my home!
@MrMartinmonge2000
2 жыл бұрын
I think I'm your number one fan here at the Utah State (USA). Your videos and honest and are very instructive when you explain something about Sound. I was a DJ for years in NYC but now I live in Utah.
@victorchiappetta3230
2 жыл бұрын
I listened to these and some separates systems side by side the other day. No comparison, separates all day long. The Kef's sound great. Super clean. But no slam or punch in the face dynamic. IMHO they should have used a much larger footprint rather than trying to wow everyone with such a stupidly small footprint at that price point. They are small and they sound small, end of story. I literally preferred $2800 Sonus Fabers through a good amp to these.
@robinmarples5198
10 ай бұрын
As a piece of funiture, those ls60 are sublime.
@IvanMarjanovicLDN
2 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant video, thank you John. I had the opportunity to experience KEF LS60 W at the North West Audio Show 2022 and I agree with you, they are great! There is also something that I would like to share with you. I had the opportunity to attend a demo of TAD-E1TX-K speakers by the Coherent System and had a quick chat with Tony and blew me out of the water!
@djconnect1
2 жыл бұрын
Always worth a watch alongside a few other reviewers. Good entertainment and quality broadcasts. Looks like a brilliant product. The driver technology kef uses suits my ears
@easylaptop
2 жыл бұрын
moment i got 2650euro to by ls50 wirelees, kef come with ls60, omg back to work. nice video ,thanx man
@leokuiper2593
2 жыл бұрын
If you always want better when it comes available you will never have enough money to buy a system. Many active systems available that better the LS60 with according higher price tab’s. But I can imagine you fancy the LS60 though.
@kraihx
2 жыл бұрын
I'd rather get Buchardt A700s. All active streaming loudspeakers have the problem that electronics will break long before other components. And with KEF once you are out of warranty you're screwed, they will not do anything for you but sell you a new pair of speakers. While Buchardt designs their electronics to be enduser serviceable,, and will even sell you replacement parts after the warranty has ended. In this price range loudspeakers should not be disposable.
@howmit6361
2 жыл бұрын
This. Hopefully, we see a review soon.
@ldol23
2 жыл бұрын
Sooo, you guys I just finished listening to LS60 and Bucharest A700 side by side (used Tidal Masters/Hifi and AirPlay). I currently own LS50 Wireless (I gen) + 2 REL 5Ti subs. My general impressions: I like KEFs vocals a bit more (they're warmer and smoother) but the overall impression is that Buchardts are way more powerful, have more dynamics and sound lighter. KEFs seem to be pretending. the bass is way more restricted to certain levels but it's not as relaxed and dynamic (not even close). to tell you the truth, I was hoping that I'd like KEFs more (I like the way they look and I think that the quality of interface is better) but the sound didn't lie (what was really awesome was that I was able to use both of the sets at the same time with airplay - now THAT WAS POWERFUL :)
@SlicedBread1001
2 жыл бұрын
This is how I feel about kef in general tbh.
@eirikbakke1125
2 жыл бұрын
Great feedback as I also have the LS50W (1Gen) paired with a Kube 12b and am looking to ugrade to either the LS60, A700 or SA Legend 40.2. What puts me off with the LS60 are all the cable connections to the primary speaker whereas the two other use a WISA hub.
@ldol23
2 жыл бұрын
I now am a happy owner of the A700:). Still have my ls50 and 2x rel 5ti. The difference is huge
@lancebartlett3892
2 жыл бұрын
The irony that the diffraction from his glasses affect the frequency response more than the difference in all the speakers demos is entertaining.
@jyewhin
2 жыл бұрын
I guess we should remove our glasses before listening to music. Thanks for the tip.
@orwhat24
2 жыл бұрын
Always interesting and useful reviews, thanks. Software based speakers are a hard sell for me, but you give me lots to think about.
@justlooking813
2 жыл бұрын
As the market starts heading down the active route, comparisons to high end studio monitors should be considered. Sure, the speakers wouldn't have streaming natively, but therein lies an opportunity for these amp/processor manufacturers to make great line level output devices (hello balanced!) with even better DAC components.
@andrewwebb4635
Жыл бұрын
I guess this LS60 approach may be the future. Electronic engineers seem to like the powered speaker approach since they can control things more easily. It’s a minor step forward to include the streamer and DAC as well. Perhaps the market will be flooded with affordable LS60 clones in a year or two? It seems a bit like the 1980s PC vs Mackintosh argument with desktops - the configurable setup vs the ready-made system. Eventually, as John hinted, most of us nowadays tend to adopt a ready-made laptop even if it’s a PC inside.
@Michael-xz1nk
2 жыл бұрын
This review was confusing. Too many comparisons and sifting needed to get to the key pro’s and con’s of the LS60. No matter what Jack OB said, I still worry about all in one active speakers with amps made by someone other than KEF and long term support / service / parts beyond the warranty. These are $7,000 US + tax so $7,500. Certainly, not chump change. If you buy these, you do not need your current system so out it goes? As a KEF fan boy, I will stick with LS50 / Meta all day long.
@darreng279
2 жыл бұрын
Evaluating an active system through the lens of its relative performance to a price appropriate passive system is most interesting.
@trudimcleod5042
2 жыл бұрын
One issue John is not considering is the aspect of uncertainty in the audio experience. I am going through a no music phase, so I am using a system that I put together for listening albums+CDs, it includes amp, preamp, speakers, DAC, bluetooth. But the DAC can accept the optical cable from the TV and the bluetooth receiver has LDAC. Knowing that I have flexibility is an advantage for future decisions.
@freakaz01d
2 жыл бұрын
I have a dynaudio xeo 6, it has a separate connect box which contains all the inputs, it then communicates wirelessly to the speakers, so all i see are just power cables out from the speakers. I like wireless systems like the kef ls60 because their engineers put in a lot of R&D into creating a speaker,speaker design and an amp that matches extremely well, but connecting all the inputs into one side of the speakers kinda kills it for me, im sure it wont be a dealbreaker for some people
@andreymerzlyakov8581
2 жыл бұрын
Great recommendation(Craig Finn)! Love it))
@grano71
2 жыл бұрын
Would like to see a Kef review of some passive models like Reference or Blade
@chawonytube
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic episode. On point!
@Naps56
2 жыл бұрын
After 2 Jaguars, a B&W 802 and a Zeppelin, I am never going to buy anything that has a UK involvement in QC. Designed in UK is fine, however. So could you please test more Asian hifi/audio brands ? Or even German brands, because my 42 year old Dual CS721 still runs fine, as do the equally old Klein & Hummel speakers i gifted to my friends.
@gordonyoul9515
2 жыл бұрын
I am not sure about your premise here. I have a 1985 Linn LP12 that runs like a charm in its original spec right down to the Troika cartridge, a pair of mid 80s Spendor SP2s that are competitive with modern speakers and work perfectly and any number of pieces of vintage Naim equipment (including a CD player) that have never skipped a beat. On the other hand, I have a modern VW Golf GTI which is the most unreliable car I have ever owned, although it is a close second to a BMW 7 series which I suspect would have won out if I had kept it longer. Good stuff and bad stuff is made everywhere.
@edleung4046
2 жыл бұрын
I think the LS60 is designed in UK, made in China.
@carlitomelon4610
2 жыл бұрын
I thought the Zeppelin was German?? As in Count Ferdinand von Z... He had his (Hindenburg) moments:-/
@darylwootton5217
2 жыл бұрын
Great & entertaining review as always, if i didn't already have the LS50 meta's, KC62 and Rotel RA1572 & bluenode i would give these a serious consideration.
@rsa008
2 жыл бұрын
I used to own the KEF LSX. Those speakers sound absolutely amazing. I'm sure the KEF LS60 does as well. However, what every reviewer fails to address, is KEF's lack of quality and support. The software for the KEF LSX was just awful. Distorded sound when using AirPlay. Humming sound when in stand by mode. I complained to my local dealer about the last problem. They called KEF numerous times, and nobody replied. Several other people on reddit, youtube comments and FB have experienced the same thing. Conclusion: I would be very, very careful to trust KEF with so much of my money.
@djlovell01
4 ай бұрын
I finally got my LSX stabile with Roon but I totally understand your frustration.
@michaellong9039
2 жыл бұрын
Like it or not, you can achieve better performance with a DSP controlled cross-over with the correct amplifier type/power matched to the drivers. And maybe the single biggest advantage is the possibility of adding software room compensation. I like the way Meadowlark Audio is implementing their speakers with DACS and power built in, but with an external preamp/streamer with room correction software.
@avjake
Жыл бұрын
Using them with the wired interconnect doubles the sampling rate. Why would you not review them in their best operating mode?
@metalSpike
11 ай бұрын
Because it doesn’t matter
@mikeyang6840
2 жыл бұрын
I lament about the long cables required to connect other electronics to LS60 in a typical setting.
@scrubbyjanitor1704
2 жыл бұрын
7k usd does give it a lot of options if you went modular, but can se this appeal to the i-mac people
@leokuiper2593
2 жыл бұрын
Going modular will always be more expensive having the same performance. My main worry going active is any malfunction after support for an active system is stopped. You would need to replace the whole system, so in the long run going active might be more expensive.
@wp7310
2 жыл бұрын
I thought about kef but now I believe more in Genelec solution
@MrAyrit
2 жыл бұрын
Those are some good audiophile words!
@therevrockinrollin
2 жыл бұрын
I’m here because I love the hunt
@mwagenma
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks John! I’ve been waiting for this review! I’d love to see you do something a bit similar with these integrated streaming speakers that you’ve done with component systems. For example, I’m drawn to the KEF LSX but they’re $1200 CAD on Amazon. What would be the best budget pair? And what lies between the LSX and the LS60? Keep up the great work!
@ruudstet3186
2 жыл бұрын
Me? I like the game of swopping gear every now and then too much. At least i did until now. But it's great to see how hard Kef is making life for competitors to keep up. In the end, we the consumers benefit. But you know, dear customer , what big steps in r&d means: big depreciation if you've got the older model. That is one thing that keeps me away from this brilliant product. There will be a much improved version several years from now. And yes, I heard your podcast on the futureproof-ness of the streaming platform. Same as with my Harbeths. I keep telling myself I like the lower resolution old ones better. Correctly, the type that I have..... But still: great review, John. And thanks for giving the relevant info of system cost. Will I be giving these a listen in the next months? After seeing this : yes I will. So yes, you are helping oldies like me to enter the current age of hifi. Good thing.
@matrixplace
9 ай бұрын
I own KEF LS50 Wireless II and I know how amazing these speakers are, so I can only imagine how much better are these speakers, my only problem with these are the number of inputs, for that price I expect at least two inputs from each type. I have A turntable and a CD player, how do I connect both with only one RCA input? This is only small example, I have much more gear and the inputs are not enough. Also running all cables to the primary speaker is bonkers, they better should have an external receiver like small box for all the inputs, which you can keep closer to your gear and run a single cable from it to the speakers.
@tomastoth3839
9 ай бұрын
As for the CD player, use digital outputs and connect to one of KEF's digital inputs. There is no need to use the internal DAC of your CD player because the DAC inside the KEF LS60 is far more superior. As for your wish to have a wireless active speaker system with cable management more in control with some hub (wireless) i have a solution for ya. Dali Rubicon 8C + Sound Hub + NPM-2i
@Taladin1234
2 жыл бұрын
The thing that keeps me away from those products is the fact that I cannot choose my DAC. I don't mind the amp being in the speaker, but say a chord DAC will always beat whatever DAC is in the KEF.
@Taladin1234
2 жыл бұрын
@@drewyoung2102 i dont own the kef so i dont know, so probably i should not say, but i mean even psychologically, i cant give up my chord dac.
@doifeellucky
2 жыл бұрын
You can connect your DAC into one of the many inputs. You’d obviously then have to connect your source into that.
@Canadian_Eh_I
2 жыл бұрын
I love the serious face you end the videos with, its very genuine
@paulaxon4602
2 жыл бұрын
Great review and good to see Craig Finn get some respect- the new one is a cracker.
@paulholte
8 ай бұрын
Hey there, John. Craig’s “sprechgesang” first showed up for me back in the 90s when he fronted the band Lifter Puller here in the Twin Cities. You may want to give their stuff a spin too.
@bassandtrebleclef
2 жыл бұрын
The issue of repairing a problem with an active speaker is not the same as a car repair in that car repairs are logistically straightforward .... You call the tow truck, car is taken to repair shop and it's fixed. Figure 2-3 days tops in most cases. You get a rental car if needed. How would a bad connection internally or bad amp module or software glitch with this speaker get fixed?
@benpatana7664
2 жыл бұрын
You raise an excellent issue. I guess a lot will depend on the level of support provided by KEF (and/or the KEF distributor) in the country in question and the level of support provided by the dealer from whom you buy the speakers. If there are no such services/parts readily available in your country, then it is kind of game over assuming the speakers are out of warranty. So I'd be investigating the repair options carefully before buying and quizzing the local KEF distributor as to what arrangements they have in place. To be fair, it is not always easy to get repairs done on legacy equipment either particularly in smaller countries where the distributor is really just an importer. If repair services are available, then the issue becomes one of safely transporting the speakers without inflicting further damage! Reliable freight services are expensive and boxing the speakers properly would be vital. Best case scenario: the repair facility is in your town!
@JTT2505
2 жыл бұрын
I hadn't heard of Craig Finn until now but after a very quick listen I'm reminded of Van Morrison's Coney Island.
@expat0149
2 жыл бұрын
Really hoping you get the Buchardt A700's to review :)
@DarkoAudio
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry. Won't be doing those.
@expat0149
2 жыл бұрын
@@DarkoAudio no worries
@superpeca
2 жыл бұрын
Clash of the Titans, can't wait!
@superpeca
2 жыл бұрын
@@DarkoAudio why? Worried they might be better than these? ;)
@thecarcanuck1951
2 жыл бұрын
That’s to bad because i think those would be a good comparison, they are in the same price range , love the channel
@erkioras
2 жыл бұрын
I had so many issues with KEF LSX so i just cant go back to wireless at all, sorry. thou the sound was great.
@Z-u-m-a
2 жыл бұрын
Useful reality-check.
@bacon.dumpling
2 жыл бұрын
KEF’s wireless did indeed suck but that was before the LS50 II Wireless. Both the LS60 as well as the new KEF LSX II now use the same stable system as the LS50 II Wireless. I still have the original LSX which are a pain but I’m going to get the LSX II now that wireless is fixed.
@manuelcandre187
Жыл бұрын
Behind you, is that a Julius shulman's picture of a Philip Johnson's house ? Love it.
@carlitomelon4610
2 жыл бұрын
John, you have your own brand of "sprechgesang". Good review. In a different life the LS60 "appliance" route might appeal. But after 40years of separates, I'm at peace with boxes and only one set of cables running to the speakers and two to each sub! 🎵🎶😉🎶🎵 PS Stacked LS50s...... ..$1500 4xKC subs..$3000 Amp?..........$1500 🤔😉
@cartmann227
2 жыл бұрын
The plants are nice 👍
@dudemastermaster8944
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the test. As with every review I’ve seen so far concerning aktive speakers, I have to state again, that you haven’t been transparent enough on the subtle but IMHO significant differences in how the music is presented in a different way vs. a passive speaker. In my own experience (especially B&W formation Duo) the sound quality of the active speaker is still very very far away of a really good (synergetically) passive system. Take care
@conduit242
2 жыл бұрын
Oh really? I guess you’re not familiar with any on the high end. AT ALL.
@dougg1075
2 жыл бұрын
I hit the “ like” button as soon as the video starts. Love this channel And music recommendations
@latonbuzzard2386
9 ай бұрын
Sounds great in practice. I bet you my last pound they will not satisfy my bass head. I am a rock fan and like to feel and hear the music like a live show. I'm thinking a heavy hitting sub will almost certainly be needed for this set up. While you have pre and main amplification in one box there is almost certainly a heat issue expected with these. I remember Bowers and Wilkins introduced active bass speakers in some floor standing models that were dropped soon after. I was also thinking future faults would put your system out of action. An example of this was the washer dryer configuration, if one side fails, you cant use the other. Personally I will stick to my 1 pre amp, 4 x power amps and a 1000 watt sub, along with Bowers and Wilkins floor standers.
@Alexandroskollias1
Жыл бұрын
Is it so difficult to place an line in to each speaker for AV processors? The same with LS50s? To be more flexible and a solution for multichannel audio? The way thay design them "locked" them in the 2 channel world. A potential lose in the market of multichannel music an d home Cinemas.
@irfn23
2 жыл бұрын
Are you using the stock power cables? My speakers arrive next week and was wondering about what power cables to use.
@d.j.vandermeer3832
2 жыл бұрын
If you are going that road you have to ask yourself if you need to replace all the power cabling in your house. Not only the last 1,5 meter.
@irfn23
2 жыл бұрын
@@d.j.vandermeer3832 while I mostly agree with you, I can 100% testify that changing the cords on the ls50w2 which I own and the Kanto tuks make a very audible difference. I have audioquest blizzards and everyone can hear the difference
@fraz6558
2 жыл бұрын
The Craig Finn album!! In particular Never any Horses : best thing he’s done since Separation Sunday…
@brendanmccarthy4218
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent evaluation John. How would you compare it with the KiiThree you lived with a little while back?
@marcbungener1877
2 жыл бұрын
my concern with both the Klipsh and the Kef would be : too fatiguing at high levels for me. That’s also why class D is not for me (and the reason for Kef to use an AB amp got the tweeter)
@leokuiper2593
2 жыл бұрын
Fatigue has nothing to do with class D in this case. Higher midrange and high frequencies are taken care of by a class AB powered tweeter in the LS60 or the LS50W and that are the frequencies that can cause fatigue. If you find the KEF’s fatiguing you need less revealing speakers with a more laid back presentation. Class D has a reputation of a more dry bass. But recently that’s mostly the case with cheap class D amps. Higher end class D amps can have the same warm rich bass as class AB amps or at least approach that same warmth. If you really want a warmer presentation in the high frequencies you have to go with a tube amp. But what ever amplification you get a bright speaker will always be bright and can cause fatigue. Btw, Klipsh speakers are way more forward then any KEF speaker which are tuned much more neutral.
@TheManunderwater
2 жыл бұрын
Very few reviewers include hi quality classical source or any source. Please go for some choral, "big" Symphonies (Mahler 2nd) and solo piano. I'll give you some recommedations but please add a bit more variety.
@MrMrpony
2 жыл бұрын
Wrong channel 🤔 Think John has been over this a gazillion times
@rob5631
2 жыл бұрын
1:44 is comedy gold!
@robertwang7825
2 жыл бұрын
Passive and separates for me any day. I have the Kef Ls50 meta paired with Rel T5X sub , powered by Willsenton Class A 50w int amp with Psvane 300B Western electric tubes ( also 6n7 ) , Denafrips Pontus 2 with Iris DDC with Jays Audio I2S and Mogami gold XLR ,all silver spkr wires - sounds great in my small rm. That’s the beauty of system building and upgrading along the journey.
@HAL9007
2 жыл бұрын
Sweet system. Cost of all that is ....?
@jeffreythurston1822
2 жыл бұрын
Really great info!! How do you use a turntable with the LS60 Wireless??
@DanilaGrigorev
2 жыл бұрын
Looks very cool! However, I have a question about ls50 wireless 2. Maybe you can tell which subwoofer will sound better in a small room up to 20 squares, cube10 or kc62?
@samlsecond8200
2 жыл бұрын
like. but can't justify. but enjoy watching your videos nonetheless. 😊
@BenX74
2 жыл бұрын
Active Loudspeakers with DSP controlled class-D amplifiers are the future. No doubt about it.
@Z-u-m-a
2 жыл бұрын
.... Future until the modules due and/or the firmware is left obsolote...
@supes323
2 жыл бұрын
I have compared the two and found that a passive crossover using high quality parts i.e high quality caps and inductors sound better than an active system.
@TheChopcat
2 жыл бұрын
John. The idea of room correction/eq is an interesting one but for those of us that have “traditional” systems (gyrodec/icon/Troels Gravesen speakers + subs) could you give some thought to the options for adding in some eq. There is the RME dac for digital but what about analogue ? I could see that there might be some comparisons to be done.
@Phloored
2 жыл бұрын
There is the minidsp shd . It has the room correction and eq functions along with analog inputs
@djlovell01
4 ай бұрын
Arc Studio 4?
@PeterHas
2 ай бұрын
It might be worth using an external dac with the LS60, or at least testing one. I tried connecting my Bose QuietComfort Ultra wired and was shocked by how much better they sounded wired vs wireless. Even though the incoming signal is always digitized with the headphones, you still got maybe 95% of the sound from the external dac and headphone amplifier over the wire. It leveled up the sound of the Bose headphones to an incredible degree vs how they sound over bluetooth. This made me think of the LS60 and all other powered speakers. It might be possible to significantly improve on their sound using an external dac, even though the speakers would be using its own internal dac to digitize the signal. For some reason I haven't see anyone test this, because it seems to go against common sense. But for an enthusiast, this should be no barrier.
@likelydaily6767
2 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t the inward sideways fire of the subwoofers on these speakers cause phase cancellation issues in the centre, effectively reducing the volume of the bass output, or have they already flipped the phasing of the suns to account for this? Thanks
@bacon.dumpling
2 жыл бұрын
I would highly recommend to have them toe’d in anyway. I listened to them at the store and of course, they were pointed straight forward. I frankly hated the sound, there was no precise imaging, everything was way too broad. Once I asked the sales rep if he could toe them in, it was a night & day difference. That detailed KEF sound was there, it just needed the right position.
@FOH3663
2 жыл бұрын
Phase cancelation? No Quite the opposite. Dead center between them is "power alley", whereby maximum positive summation occurs. Picture it as a pulse generating a wave.
@Cujobob
2 жыл бұрын
I’m in the market for something just like this, but I keep hesitating because: 1) no room correction, this should be mandatory at this price point 2) amplifier noise, class D amplifiers are out there with super low noise floors - no excuse here 3) worry about longterm support. These companies aren’t fixing broken electronics in most cases, they’re going to swap out the whole unit. Problem is… they run out of units at some point. 4) there have already been reports of these having audio dropouts and not working with some sources. There’s no workaround if this is the case, you’re just stuck. At this point, I might just get a pair of Genelecs. No timetable on an 8341b model, so might be waiting a while.
@atulnsingh
2 жыл бұрын
Will be grateful if you could pl review some amps from Advance Paris ?
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