Freaking awesome video! Can't wait to see you tweak it. I used a GPS superpipe and Mikuni VM22-133 on mine. This resulted in a major increase in performance. @redbeards garage: Any chance you'd consider this as your first stage on the Ghost?
@richardmattix5322
Жыл бұрын
Get it red beard
@spankthemonkey3437
Жыл бұрын
I remember taking off muffler on old 5hp flat head putting on straight pipe and change out carb put on old adjustable one and that alone woke motor up
@Jasonkartracing
Жыл бұрын
I wrench on these engines and I’m telling you with red beards garage videos and some simple tools you can build your engine very easy. The predator 212 is the simplest four stroke engine in the world to work on. To me they are as simple as doing a top end on a Yamaha blast two stroke and your not going broke doing it. Red beard has the best step by step video on building a 212 I have ever seen.
@darrellnichter9894
Жыл бұрын
I'm loving this Dyno series! I think this is what is going to take y'all to the next level!
@MickeyMishra
Жыл бұрын
A Dyno of a small engine. You don't see that everyday! Impressed!
@pogonick55
Жыл бұрын
Holy cow buddy for real you are the Top Gear/MotorTrend for small engines. I cant get enough of this info. Thank you!!
@Ratkill9000
Жыл бұрын
Definitely not much of a slouch. Still not much to sneeze at that's for sure. Definitely nice to know that one could see 9.8-10hp with one out of the box without doing much.
@igokarts4510
Жыл бұрын
This bedda be good. Im missing Judge Judy for this!
@james10739
Жыл бұрын
Well I'm sure it will be better than judge judgment
@blastingcapps4341
Жыл бұрын
@@james10739 anything's better than Judge Judy
@djmastermoney4
Жыл бұрын
You mean Judy Justice
@JASZANDTINY
Жыл бұрын
That was my ma shyt wouldn’t miss it for nothing or nobody 🤣🤣😂😂
@brutallyhonestmf5578
Жыл бұрын
No more "claimed horsepower numbers ". No we will know real dyno proven numbers. Great job RB.👍🏻
@jakedrew7365
Жыл бұрын
Love it. I got both a ghost motor and built motors and like them all. Thanks for taking the time and doing stuff like this.
@patriciaeaton-up4yj
10 ай бұрын
Hello can i use any type 212cc exhaust pipe on my ghost engine its gonna be put on a coleman bt200x. Thanks
@jaywill530
Жыл бұрын
I couldn't resist getting a Ghost just to check it out. The Box Stock Project engine is definitely faster on a kart. I don't have a dyno, but I can feel the difference and the clock doesn't lie. I did put in a billet flywheel but have not changed the rod on the Ghost. The BSP engine has billet rod and flywheel. The biggest difference, like you mentioned in this video is the carburetor, given that the valves are set up similarly. I swapped them out but still the BSP was a stronger out of the corner and faster to rev. It was an interesting experiment but if I could only buy one, I would go with the BSP and build it with the billet parts. I think you get a slightly better engine, and you know what's in it. They are likely made by the same factory, along with Tilitson and several other brands, so it boils down to how you build and set it up more than the quality. You can do a lot with any of these if you do the homework when you build them. Usually, I race in LO206 anyway and those engines are great, well built long lasting strong pulling and you don't have to do much to them to be competitive in the class. Do some valve maintenance [springs, maybe lightly hone the valve seat] change your oil every couple of hours of runtime (Amsoil Briggs Oil is best in my opinion) and you can get what you need to race and have a ball. I think the L in LO206 stands for LAZY... that's me.
@mmoncure11
Жыл бұрын
Thanks RB! Love the systematic approach.
@InnocentMiscreant
Жыл бұрын
Time for a 224
@josephschmier3733
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion... your graph shows the ghost has more torque down low . It seems to be a torque monster.
@chuckb9867
Жыл бұрын
Redbeard found a truckload of content with this Dino I'm so glad he got it I could do a cartwheel
@markyoung9964
Жыл бұрын
video of you doing cartwheels coming out soon? lol
@chuckb9867
Жыл бұрын
@@markyoung9964 I probably will collapse Halfway Around Redbeard would get a billion views
@walterpalermo1304
Жыл бұрын
224 series? WANT & NEED!!! Thx RedBeard
@benpeter4959
Жыл бұрын
Best small engine channel period
@BUILDNIGHT
Жыл бұрын
Ghost is only $225 this week with 25% off coupon. Can’t beat that…
@xscoops1
Жыл бұрын
Great series! Finally people will understand their header, carb, and flywheel doesn't add up to 20hp lol
@brutallyhonestmf5578
Жыл бұрын
True!
@chadmills5400
Жыл бұрын
header, huge carb, adjustable flywheel, 12,000 rpm coil and huge cam does
@xscoops1
Жыл бұрын
@chadmills5400 huge carb is worthless without the proper head work. Match porting and proper sized valves....
@rong4189
Жыл бұрын
Redbeard: “Personally I would buy the standard 212 . . . “ Harbor Freight: 🤦♂️
@Kyle_gallegher
Жыл бұрын
Whats the issue there when u build it anyways 🤨
@rong4189
Жыл бұрын
@@Kyle_gallegher Just a joke but they would obviously rather sell the more expensive one.
@Kyle_gallegher
Жыл бұрын
@@rong4189 very true but still I personally see no difference after its been mod to death lol
@knowGodbyandby
4 ай бұрын
I think he said the ghost revs to 6000 while the standard is governed at 3600.
@knowGodbyandby
4 ай бұрын
He has also said that the standard predator is a hemi and makes more torque than the ghost.
@bking4404
Жыл бұрын
Great series on the ghost I agree with you all the way on a building a motor yourself I think you get way more out of it can't wait to see you put the 224 stroker motor on their I have one close to it be anxious to see what kind of numbers it turns I'll be looking forward to Future series keep it coming great job
@robertvicks9139
Жыл бұрын
I always wondered do these mods really work. It's actually nice to see what hp gains you can get.
@fourwheeleranddirtbikecont2865
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about putting one on a razor go kart frame
@koljag5
Жыл бұрын
A 224 would be really interesting. People are always asking on Facebook if they should do a 224 or 212 ghost.
@smallcityhomesteaders1600
Жыл бұрын
Kinda what i'd like to know that as well.
@Deucealive75
Жыл бұрын
If I just wanted to bolt on a tank and exhaust and ride I would get the Ghost. If I wanted to build for more than stock power I would get the 224. I did get a 224 and am happy with it. Not an easy build because of all the clearancing needed. Nice torque from that engine. More good options... Ducar 212. Comes with a PVL flywheel. Similar to the Ghost is the Wildcat 223. They say it has nice power right out of the box.
@DudesIn101
Жыл бұрын
And they don't care to learn!you got it Bub!
@presleyfleckmotorizedbikef4285
Жыл бұрын
I love my 212 non hemi predator motor on a motorized it hasn't failed me yet thank you for showing me what the 212 ghost would be on the dyno it just shows me that it is nothing special thank you again
@butcherknife59knife46
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info on the Ghost 212 . I have not had a mini bike / pull start ever. So I think it would be kool to have a mini bike for playing around camping. Then I don't alway have to ride the big name brand bikes. It's always nice to see what the bang for your buck. Around Bend Oregon out on 2 wheels
@DOITALLMFER
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Loved it. Loved the comparison. Really curious now on the 196cc that typically comes with the coleman bikes! Let’s see if that thing will make similar numbers with similar mods as road to horsepower series! Awesome video brother
@jaredemanouil7071
Жыл бұрын
This!!!!!!
@brutallyhonestmf5578
Жыл бұрын
Those coleman 196cc are garbage, worst casting I've ever seen. Is way better to start with a stock 212 predator for a little over $100.
@patarmstrong3582
Жыл бұрын
The 2 196s that came on my colemans had a crankshaft that wasn't compatible with a torque converter. That's all the reason you need to swap.
@jaredemanouil7071
Жыл бұрын
@@patarmstrong3582 yours did because you got an older one with 5/8 shaft
@DOITALLMFER
Жыл бұрын
@@patarmstrong3582 mine did as well and I just used a sleeve to up the size. Works great. I’ve actually hit 66mph with my 196 that came with the bike AND that was with the stock clutch it came with. 10/40 gearing, 265 fire cam, flat top piston, billet rod/flywheel, 26lb springs and home grown port work. Pretty cool if you ask me. My buddy has a ghost and could only hit 61mph. So I’m thinking maybe my little engine ain’t doing too bad!!
@briankumpan9892
Жыл бұрын
Years ago when I was young say 16 or 17, I bought a go cart frame and the frame was made 1.5" drilling pipe. The gocart had 2 motor mounts and the gears for the axle were welded in place. I sold the gocart because I had no money, my friend bought the card because they had a motor for it, of course they were cheap like me and could not afford a clutch for it so they put a straight gear, so if you push start it it would go. One day they took it to a local shopping center parking lot and they were push starting it, it took off and when it stopped itn had moved a mailbox with concrete on the legs, moved 10 feet. When the Byers kids inspected the go cart, the frame did not even bend
@rogerrose8220
Жыл бұрын
Honest evaluation. Well done, Sir!
@Leavetheherd
Жыл бұрын
Cars & Cameras did a 212 stage 1-5 series but only had lap times/butt dyno to measure results. Its great to see real #s
@johnmoseslives
24 күн бұрын
very impressed with how the afr stays so consistant
@shark11175
Жыл бұрын
The Ghost is a beast for the money, great solid motor
@Minibike-Isaac
Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@patarmstrong3582
Жыл бұрын
It's a good choice for a motor you aren't going to open up, or for someone who doesn't have tools or inclination to build a motor themselves.
@shark11175
Жыл бұрын
@@patarmstrong3582 Its a good motor overall we run the hell out of them
@NONAME-kw3pu
11 ай бұрын
for the same $$$$$, esp after including the $150 for the header accessory package ($450 total + taxes) ... a person can have a PRETTY HOT 212 PREDATOR and a gas tank. CM .265 cam $65, side cover gasket $5, cast alum flywheel $76, billet rod $76, $25 for 22mm PV carb and air filter. .009" head gasket. 22# springs, spiffy the motor up. oil, gas... and jet kit for the carby since it comes with 99 jet when it needs a 125'ish jet to make it RUN and not fall down at 5500 rpms.
@baronlefuq8882
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a 212 similar to my 212 on your dyno, I'm quite curious what my engine build can put down. Tried and true combo, non hemi with mod2 with 1.3 ratio rockers, 26lb springs flat top piston and all the billet goodies. I spin it to 8250 but it lays over after 7500, would be nice to see a graph and compare it to my butt dyno
@markhall1855
Жыл бұрын
? What is the factory valve settings on the ghost snatches back bout broke my wrist thanks keyway looks good
@Minibike817
Жыл бұрын
Where do i find the oil drain hose @
@turneynicholas
Жыл бұрын
I just got my ghost 212 (it's only being run on a mud motor) what valve cover fits these is it the same as a ducar tilosten 212
@sammylisasmith2104
Жыл бұрын
Great video thanks for your time can't wait for the big block stuff
@mikequesenberry7976
Жыл бұрын
Mr red beard I have to share this 20 years ago when the Honda design was just catching on there were no billet rods we took Honda rods and double the tourqe from 9 ftlbs to 18 with stock bolts flattop piston and gapless rings with compression ring machine to accept an oil ring in a groove on top ring it had a 308 cam stock rockers with straps welded to the sides to keep them from breaking cut the head 100 thousands it would hold 340 pound of compression with stock Honda flywheel I turned it 8500 very often not saying that was right but never exploded a flywheel tilitson carb it was a beast for back then and had to set our own flywheel key ignition timing was 40 degrees it would only run eight mile or it would overheat
@cedhome7945
Жыл бұрын
Got to take the Dyno to a meeting and charge a small fee for letting people know the truth on there engine !
@toofnlazzy801
3 ай бұрын
Killing me with the pull starting. Your gonna snap that rope boy. Lol. Love what your doing and thank you for having a video with the answers I was looking for.
@3GingerCats
Жыл бұрын
on the point of Flywheels and ignition timing. can you do a comparison on the RTH engine as it is but with stock timing, 28 degs and 32 degs? it would be very interesting to me personally to see the effects that has on the torque curve in particular
@patarmstrong3582
Жыл бұрын
As a general rule, more spark advance will move the torque peak higher in the rpm band.
@fastlife1688
Жыл бұрын
Glad I'm not the only one that runs good oil in my small engines. Seems like everyone else just tosses whatever is sitting in their backyard in the engine. I'm over 300 hours on my stock 196cc hisun without a single hiccup
@markyoung9964
Жыл бұрын
what oil brand and weight do you use
@buffalojones341
Жыл бұрын
Really helpful. Just bought my first minibike and I am considering what to do with it. The ghost is tempting because I am not a gearhead, but it’s a good reason for me and my 10 year old son to get out and learn about engines together.
@markyoung9964
Жыл бұрын
Great for you and your son!!
@patarmstrong3582
Жыл бұрын
Full face helmets, and gear and add a torque converter- amazon/ebay chinese units are fine. Easy 40 mph, and climbs anything.
@DirtyDave413
Жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see how the stock Ghost does with the 24mm Flat-Slide
@aaronermis4082
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Looks like it may be a difference in cam. The ghost has better performance at lower rpm’s where the built engine outperforms at higher rpm’s where the ghost drops off. Super cool video.
@patarmstrong3582
Жыл бұрын
Look at the area under the torque curve. That tells more about the usable power than a peak number.
@patarmstrong3582
Жыл бұрын
And, that cam is a dog- well matched to the 6000 rpm limited coil
@neilwalker8686
Жыл бұрын
That chain is so nerve racking
@-RyN-23
Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for a stick 225rs to be tossed on!
@mitten5313
Жыл бұрын
It would be nice to see you test the ec wildcat 223 gt1. Looks like it might outperform the ghost for similar price
@acurarl9929
Жыл бұрын
The ghost was richer then all the others. Lean is mean. Can see the correlation of afr to hp. The hp will lag a lil in comparison to afr as afr changes then right after you’ll see in the hp. Idk neat to see although hard to see.
@benjaminevans1171
Жыл бұрын
I thought the series was putting on stage 1, stage 2, etc?
@noahgiles777
Жыл бұрын
The gold is in those dyno graphs. Very cool!
@saabkingentertainments.k.e
Жыл бұрын
Yesssss!!!! Can't wait to see the upgrades
@jeremiahbradley6914
Жыл бұрын
Are you guys gonna do dollar for dollar break downs of these engines too ? Think it be awesome added information with the Dyno numbers
@lloydbaker7099
Жыл бұрын
Really enjoying the series
@chrisprovost5155
Жыл бұрын
I have a predator 212 hemi. Just got the stage 2 racer kit . Do I have to notch or grind down the crank for clearance
@charlesgraham9954
Жыл бұрын
can we get split screen shots of the dyno so we can see closer? thank u for all the time u spending showing and teaching us, i apricate it, again thank u.
@barrickent184
6 ай бұрын
I just bought a Coleman BT 200 and went straight to HF and got the ghost. You’re right, I just wanted a bolt on. I am well capable of a build and have the tools. At that, almost double the hp. Hope the CVT holds it. I have to check the max rpm on the trash Chinese one supplied. I see a Comet CVT in my future. It just doesn’t end. The Ghost did sound good. Thank you for your great work.
@Deucealive75
5 ай бұрын
You shouldn't worry. A stock Ghost isn't going to break the CVT.
@bigh3053
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Love the whole process of breaking in and then doing pulls. Would love to see a comparison between Predator Ghost vs. Briggs Animal Lo206.
@OGTtom
Жыл бұрын
Really enjoy all your videos , keep up the good work .
@Deucealive75
Жыл бұрын
Who would want any of the Predator 212's? There's better options for not that much more money. Last I looked the Wildcat 223 was on sale for under $200. Ducar 212 is probably the best buy and comes with a PVL flywheel.
@speedyme200
Жыл бұрын
If you don't care about the warranty for the ghost
@patarmstrong3582
Жыл бұрын
I can drive 3 miles and buy a Predator, no waiting. That is the real appeal. That, and I already have the goodies to make it fast.
@Deucealive75
Жыл бұрын
@@patarmstrong3582 That is a good point. The only way I would ever get a Hemi or non Hemi Predator 212 is if I already had the Predator specific parts like the billet rod and flywheel. And for the non Hemi, the Predator specific cam. They finally got smart with the Ghost and 224. They use clone parts. My 224 has a clone rod, flywheel, and cam.
@nickdishno3644
Жыл бұрын
When talking about adjusting the valves make sure you specify that your supposed to do it on TDC of the compression stroke, otherwise you might have some people trying it on the exhaust stroke lol.
@Haulinbassracing
Жыл бұрын
same power just higher in the range, a cam swap is the major difference between an engine designed to run a small water pump and one designed to be in a kart. might not look allot faster on paper but there is most likely a massive difference in performance in a properly geared and clutched application
@timhudson1846
3 ай бұрын
Im most definitely interested in using the GHOST motor for a long tail mud motor...
@danteverna4261
Жыл бұрын
Any chance we will be seeing a dyno test of the 196cc turbo diesel? That would be an interesting one.
@madness_-yg3lw
Жыл бұрын
Hey red love to see a stock 224 vs stock 212 non hemi that would be interesting🤔
@SurlyMike
Жыл бұрын
You keep teasing with tidbits about the dyno setup. What is up with that clutch? Loving it man.
@smallengineexpert6607
Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the torque may have been better with the long tube intake. Thoughts?
@tinygaragepowersports0122
Жыл бұрын
Cars and Cameras put one of these on a machine and Ike had mentioned the Ghost felt more out of balance than the other Predators and Tillotsons. What's your take on this? Also was wondering if the intake that was on it at the beginning was part of the accessory pack and if so, why wasn't it used? Really enjoying these dyno vids.....top quality stuff!
@HappyHands.
Жыл бұрын
Now compare both to the stage 2 Tillotson 212cc
@smsservicesall
Жыл бұрын
I like the 440cc proven value you introduced to the world
@davidowen888
Жыл бұрын
I'm lookin forward to the BIG BLOCK and V testing 💪☮️
@CODOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
Who you gonna call? Ghost Busters! Great video!
@markyoung9964
Жыл бұрын
oldie but goodie lol
@NightshiftCustom
Жыл бұрын
damn that dyno has a lot of movement and shakes a lot under load needs a more stable motor mount
@dusk404
Жыл бұрын
Mine's choke will turn itself on then it will die, on the final stroke it will shoot air back out the intake which is very weird. Also I didnt do anything to break it in, I forgot to do that so I may have messed some stuff up but I have no idea.
@stevemayo1175
Жыл бұрын
I Feel like you should set the Ghost up just like the Tiltson and Re DYNO same fly wheel same carb
@jaywerne3812
Жыл бұрын
Might be missing some hp with that tiny air filter on it. Great video Greg!!
@mr03mach12
Жыл бұрын
Thanks RBG
@mr03mach12
Жыл бұрын
No thanks scammer
@alternatemusicaddict5226
Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see the diesel on there
@coxandsonmachine2128
Жыл бұрын
Thanks much for the info on this Goast engine.
@im_ur_huckleberry8998
Жыл бұрын
Another great video brother! Lots of good information!!
@RedBeardsGarage
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@crow4007
Жыл бұрын
Do you plan on doing a 224 in the series. Would be interested in those numbers. Definitely a noticeable power diffrence between my stage 1 212 and my stage 1 224..
@speedyme200
Жыл бұрын
In a previous video he said he's going to run every single Predator engine on the dyno
@crow4007
Жыл бұрын
Oh nice. Didnt catch that.
@concerned201
Жыл бұрын
Red Beard, on a stock ghost, what causes excessive fuel to run out the tube on the bottom of the carburetor?
@HappyHands.
Жыл бұрын
nice even power curve. not bad for stock
@johnny22single99
Жыл бұрын
ABSOLUTELY---->>>>>>>>>> AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! 🙂
@TheManistheshit
Жыл бұрын
Where is the link for the oil drain hose?
@jokezpaine3408
4 ай бұрын
I wish they made a billet flywheel with a gear so I can put a starter on my. Because I did a stage 3 on my trailer 212 hemi then found out I couldn't put a electric start on
@karategage
Жыл бұрын
Ya this is made for series racing. That 6000 rpm electronic governor is a giant equalizer. Plus people are having the regular 212 “blue printed” with only governor removal, .031 jet, and true 10.8 springs and paying 500$ for it. So this motor would be great!
@kart45a
Жыл бұрын
Can you dyno the Ghost against the Briggs LO206? and maybe possibly with the different colored carburetor slides as well?
@benrollins7348
Жыл бұрын
Which has the most out of the box HP. The 212 ghost or stock 212 Tillotson ?
@Deucealive75
5 ай бұрын
Ghost
@claylandsamu8124
Жыл бұрын
I tryed to change my ingition coil to the Taylor performance and it’s didn’t start what coil I have did wrong
@harveylee65
Жыл бұрын
Would like to see it with the 34 mm carb
@elsecomojado1
Жыл бұрын
Finally somebody with actual numbes
@vintagetintrader1062
Жыл бұрын
On the cast flywheel, could the magnet mount be modified and tap it to fit a 8mm cap head bolt? I cannot see a cast flywheel cracking like a V8 flywheel pushed to 8 grand with huge clutch shock loads? Has anyone tested these flywheels? Would like to run a electric start on one of these motors.
@malignantredneck6194
11 ай бұрын
Can you do some dyno runs with the 420 and different mods? I don’t believe anyone had done it yet
@fritzes_rebel_garage
Жыл бұрын
So in short the 212 ghost out of the box that's sitting in my mini baja frame is almost double the hp than the Xian dong 5.5hp that I pulled out of it. That's awesome cause I was figuring the extra rpms would put it at around 7-8hp not 10hp. Can't wait to have this thing together and go for a rip.
@cantfixasandwich4672
Жыл бұрын
Hey red beard, love the series. One question though. Why do you set the value lash to .003 rather than the manufactures specs?
@Deucealive75
5 ай бұрын
It's just a spec used to be safe. You know you are not too tight or too loose. You can use 2 or 5 thou if you want and it's not going to make a difference. 3 thou more or less valve lift is nothing. A detailed builder can carefully set these at zero.
@saabkingentertainments.k.e
Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on adding coils for a light bar with no battery on the ghost please
@eddiejohnson5762
Жыл бұрын
You should dyno the propane carb
@bryduhbikeguy
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing these for us.Please forgive my comment in a previous episode test as seeming rude.It wasn't meant as such.I just hoped you'd grind the key so the timing was stock as anyone else would do without the cam upgrade yet.Would you please run that engine corrected before the next add-on parts?Thanks Greg.
@markyoung9964
Жыл бұрын
Hi, Bry! I'm impressed with your courage. I read your previous comment and it did seem a little rough lol.
@Parents_of_Twins
Жыл бұрын
Awesome. This is precisely what I wanted to know. I was thinking about getting the Predator but wanted to know what kind of numbers the Ghost made. Knowing that I can take the Predator beyond the Ghost for a similar cost and I get to wrench on an engine is a win win for me. Thanks a lot. Think I'll be ordering a Predator in the morning since they are on sale this weekend.
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