This style of Ike gauntlet showing the gauges and rpm etc in real time is far superior to the ike product you have been providing the past few years. This is more in line with your original Ike videos from years ago. Excellent work and thankyou
@NWI_Steel
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Love the throwback to the original Ike vids!
@imkwuzn
2 жыл бұрын
Kase is such a refreshing addition to the team. I know he’s been behind the camera for a while now but he’s so laid back and extremely knowledgeable, he’s a pleasure to have in front of the camera. Andre and Kase make a great duo.
@FlatoutFord300
2 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing man, I personally think this duo is a great especially for a video like this where it’s not really fast paced or anything.
@GHUMGHAMCANADA
2 жыл бұрын
The opinion and knowledge coming from that young man is like from a grey haired man !! I amazed how could he make such an incredible input!!
@willrector9716
2 жыл бұрын
Kasey reminds me of the gopher from Winnie the pooh................. all that whistle lol
@timx3680
2 жыл бұрын
Kase kept on talking right through (and over) the acceleration segment and engine sound, which really annoyed me.
@adams1696
Жыл бұрын
not to mention really cute D: !
@NWI_Steel
2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why TFL is the best on KZitem. Going through all the effort to give the viewers what they want and re-run the ike.
@ttww1590
2 жыл бұрын
Went from highlighting a few flaws in the last vid to good comments only. Did Toyota pressure them into a more positive spin?
@pjmtts
2 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on how You set the gain on a trailer that you never towed in the past. So many People just guess and go from seat of the pants feel of aggressiveness. Better to take the minute to do it right.
@brendanreary9142
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks TFL for re-conducting the test to make sure the new Tundra was given a fair chance to use the Tow/Haul + feature.
@ttww1590
2 жыл бұрын
Any goodwill gained in retest got lost due to title given same results. Newfound love only for truck further soured my view.
@semiauto3148
2 жыл бұрын
@@ttww1590 title doesn’t say it was the same. It says you won’t believe the results
@flaviusfake271
2 жыл бұрын
No surprise you cannot really stop much with a CVT transmission honestly it is a chain and 2 moving wheels. How is that supposed to stop 16 tonnes from rolling down a hill. But the CVT transmission is more efficient for gas, torque and acceleration.
@janfalcon2020
2 жыл бұрын
@@flaviusfake271 sounds like its a poor match for towing.
@erictownsend4236
2 жыл бұрын
Have Case on here permanently!!! He is very knowledgeable, calm, and unbiased!!!!
@WW-wf8tu
2 жыл бұрын
"Kase" ;)
@lho3337
2 жыл бұрын
This young kid is very knowledgeable and calm. Great job both of you
@cliffordmontana4562
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Tommy is terrible and such a dork. Case is way better.
@cliffordmontana4562
2 жыл бұрын
@Rick lol
@Water698
2 жыл бұрын
@@cliffordmontana4562 and always trying to justify his keep purchase 🤣😂
@yotasandkubotas3118
2 жыл бұрын
I’m very happy with this result. Very quiet, low rpms, lots of power when needed, never went below the speed limit and was smooth and planted on the test. These are all things I look for in a towing rig. I think they did a great job, giving Toyota owners and other truck buyers a truck that will do what they ask of it on a regular basis.
@jacobstrutner8232
2 жыл бұрын
Look at that low oil pressure
@rightlanehog3151
2 жыл бұрын
Team TFL, As a long time subscriber from north of the border, I want to thank you for the shout out to our All-Canadian Truck King channel. I will also commend you for the "Paid Promotion" icon in the corner which so many KZitem channels 'forget' to include . In regard to engine braking, I suspect that is another case where there is simply no replacement for displacement.
@COMMANDER-ONE
2 жыл бұрын
We really enjoy the Truck King channel here in the United States as well. As far as break application, it was the same displacement engine. The only difference wasTow haul plus versus “tow haul”.
@rightlanehog3151
2 жыл бұрын
@@COMMANDER-ONE Yes, I was comparing the displacement of the new 3.4 Turbo to the old 5.7 V8.
@TheCarCrazyGuy
2 жыл бұрын
Truck King (Steven) used to be on this channel.
@billybodacious2337
2 жыл бұрын
Kase is moving up at TFL and it's easy to see why. The kid knows his stuff. Y'all keep up the great work!
@craigroosa9321
2 жыл бұрын
He has good on camera presents ,,,knows his stuff . Like to see more of him .
@Inspector694
2 жыл бұрын
Knows his camera Yes for-sure, but a car enthusiast? I don’t see it. Anyone can read a brochure.
@davidstrachan734
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see some towing tests with Travel Trailers, as they present a much different profile and towing characteristics.
@bryanhersman4037
2 жыл бұрын
I agree, they are 100 times more common than people towing other pickups. Not those horse trailers they use either, just a standard 24 or so foot 8' wide 10' tall box on wheels with an a/c or two sitting up on the roof.
@jshapiro34
2 жыл бұрын
I have no clue why they don’t use horse trailer or travel trailer These bs flat decks that don’t have any wind drag are shit testing because a truck towing highwalled trailer is true testament to comfort and ride quality
@jeffmockus5400
2 жыл бұрын
Unless they have access to the same trailer all things would not be equal. Trailer length, weight, flat nose, v nose, aerodynamic cap. Then if their truck didn't outperform the viewer would want it retested. Tho not perfect, I think the car hauler with the same vehicle on it is close enough. Just like when they fuel mileage test, they may have a head wind, tail wind, cross wind or no wind. Unless they could get all vehicles tested in a convoy pulling identical trailers results will vary. The logistics of it would be crazy.
@jshapiro34
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffmockus5400 it’s not crazy but a trailer with sides and roof use water totes like before Or buy a camper and each person cleans it out after use but that trailer is used for all stuff and do dual Ike’s or something they make money off viewers and then beg for content so more towing
@Yoyomanmanholla
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffmockus5400 Just buy an old beat trailer and keep it around for repeated tests....
@paulmadkow9143
2 жыл бұрын
I like this Kase kid. He does a great job. Part of TFL's future, or whatever he wants to do.
@shitloveaduck
2 жыл бұрын
Respectfully, as I’m not a grammar/spelling cop, but it’s spelled Kase. I learned the spelling from someone else myself. I am not trying to be rude at all, just trying to respect Kase. You are definitely right about Kase. He is learning very fast and getting much more relaxed in front of the camera. Stay safe out there, Eh!!
@paulmadkow9143
2 жыл бұрын
@@shitloveaduck fixed
@percivalgooglyeyes6178
2 жыл бұрын
I gotta say I was a little concerned Kase was going to start "manscaping" with the items that he hawks on the channel.
@paulmadkow9143
2 жыл бұрын
@@percivalgooglyeyes6178 that's exactly what I was thinking 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Rottingboards
2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait until you do 3.5 Ecoboost vs Tundra. mano a mano!
@chrisblanton1087
2 жыл бұрын
Oh I’m definitely waiting for that.
@Rottingboards
2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisblanton1087 I don't understand why they have not done this yet?
@snowmobile74
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys, this is the kind of test I've been waiting for ever since they announced the new tundra. Nothing really matters until the towing test!
@jdfleetguy28
2 жыл бұрын
Great video guys, love this style of video. Love the detailed techy conversation only Kase and Andre can have. Great job guys. Andre you should put Kase in more of these.
@DannyFyffe
2 жыл бұрын
In towing, this truck is impressive. I am surprised that it added 33% more brake actions downhill than the previous test. But having a normal conversation towing 8100 pounds up a mountain and the RPM's staying between 2500-3300 is pretty amazing. You are tempting me to get rid of my 21 Tacoma and get this.
@joreldavis4069
2 жыл бұрын
I'm already planning on getting rid of my 21 Tacoma. The ability and efficiency of the Tundra is very attractive. I'm planning on getting the Tundra Hybrid
@DannyFyffe
2 жыл бұрын
@@joreldavis4069 From what little I've heard, will the hybrid be worth the extra cost? I've heard some say it will get 20mpg and the highest I heard was 23mpg. So I wonder about that. I also wonder about the cost. I'm thinking it will start around 58K-60K and go up from there. What are your thoughts on that?
@channelnamehere4065
2 жыл бұрын
@@DannyFyffe Likely see a $70K truck after all said and done. Can't wait to see how well the hybrid does next year!
@DannyFyffe
2 жыл бұрын
@@channelnamehere4065 I could see it topped out at 68k Max but that would be too rich for my pocket if that's the case. We will see in around 3 months
@vitaly6312
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve thought about it as well. Also have a 21 tacoma. I like the truck but it’s a little tight, although I was getting 39mpg in Colorado on one portion of my drive (stop to stop). I was amazed but I always get better mileage in Colorado than I do in my flat state. A tundra would be great but man they are just so darn expensive!
@michaelcrouch4248
2 жыл бұрын
Great review! And I agree with the many other comments related to Kase being a nice addition to the TFL Team! He’s been doing an excellent job! Very knowledgeable, comfortable in front of the camera, and a great communicator of those things that your listeners are most interested in, like the rest of the team 👍
@ttww1590
2 жыл бұрын
Kase is awsome, this review was horrible. Same score, but talking up the truck more, then slapping we were wrong title. Feels slimy.
@mostormhunter
2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a summer tow test when the temps are higher there when people actually tow there boats side by sides and atv's out there.
@Expressionistix
2 жыл бұрын
Or come tow out where I live in the summer - it’s only a climb up 3500ft buts over a longer duration in temperatures in excess of 110 degrees. I forgot to mention there’s a fairly large lake (reservoir) at the bottom that offers boating and other water sports so it’s a likely application to tow in this area.
@glennnichols4220
2 жыл бұрын
@@Expressionistix Absolutely. Toyota does incredoble things every 15 years or so. I 100% said this would be a truck that "Kept up" and never innovated....Toyota amd Lexus don't know how to anymore
@stanislawgal5438
2 жыл бұрын
Bryan don't worry this is Toyota
@glennnichols4220
2 жыл бұрын
@@stanislawgal5438 What's that mean?
@billmalec
2 жыл бұрын
When they tested the Ecodiesel it was in the cold weather. I guarantee in the summer it would have 'derated' due to temps getting too high. Had one. Could tow a camper near 70mph without temps going up on the flat nonetheless. It did pull well however. Vastly under sized radiator for it.
@ryanhessler8966
2 жыл бұрын
Not having a trans temp guage is a huge miss for a modern truck with weights they are rated to tow. I want to be able to monitor it BEFORE it gets too hot instead of being told it is too hot.
@repairvehicle
2 жыл бұрын
204 is the real proof, no external cooler
@MrJcjet
2 жыл бұрын
Toyota says the upper limit is 300F. I think the idea is that you'll never be able to overheat it with loads under the 12k limit so you don't need the gauge. But I agree that they have a ton of real estate on the screens. There's no reason not to show trans temps so we can feel confident on the hills.
@repairvehicle
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrJcjet , do you have proof what you saying, 300F upper limit?
@MrJcjet
2 жыл бұрын
@@repairvehicle Toyota says 302*F is the temp where you're getting too hot for the fluid and need to back off and let it cool down. Flash point for the oil is higher than that. My guess is that damage from parts getting too hot is more concern than the oils.
@repairvehicle
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrJcjet where does Toyota says this? Look like you are spreading misinformation here. Toyota service manual doesn't even say this.
@ryanvegas777
2 жыл бұрын
TFL is the best for a reason. Look at these camera angles! Look at these real world tests! Look at the awesome guys spending their time to bring this to us!!
@specforged5651
2 жыл бұрын
Spending their time to get paid you mean.
@barrya.6212
2 жыл бұрын
BUY AMERICAN ...BUY SUPERIOR AS WELL..... GM LS ENGINES...FORD 5.0.... ALL BULLET PROOF...AND NOT BETRAYING OUR COUNTRY !
@ghostmofo5829
2 жыл бұрын
@@barrya.6212 Everything Ford & GM offer just looks better now. Toyota and Nissan instantly look cheap.
@johnkozr1579
2 жыл бұрын
Toyota smokes GM and Ford products. Reliability and durability second to none. Tires, brakes, oil changes, you are guaranteed 350-400k miles. Friend of mine had his high pressure oil lines on his F150 turbo needing replacement at 60k. I have heard this is a common problem.
@ghostmofo5829
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnkozr1579 Tires better too. You sound brain washed bubba. Maybe you work there. Hilarious.
@TaigaTurf
2 жыл бұрын
Great job with the detailed camera angles, info.. TFLTruck, the best truck channel no question
@07GTStallion
2 жыл бұрын
Yep nail on the head with towing in the desert! I tow through the northern hills of AZ in the summer time. Lots of long steep grades, 100°+ temps, 45mph curves, traffic. Will bring many trucks to their knees.
@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849
2 жыл бұрын
So which 1500 would you get?
@07GTStallion
2 жыл бұрын
@@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 F150 with the 3.5 eco boost. Hands down best half ton towing platform. That's what Toyota is trying to compete with it. I actually would recommend a heavy duty truck but if your gonna go half ton. That's the one I'd buy.
@ianperkins8812
2 жыл бұрын
So, takeaway for me is regular tow/haul downhill, tow+ uphill. I guess the only remaining question for me is longevity vs the old V8. Apologies if these observations have already been made.
@leekeenii1469
2 жыл бұрын
I may have misunderstood them. I was under the impression that their first Ike Gauntlet video/test was regular tow/haul then after discovering the “tow+” they performed a new test all over again.
@WhoThisGuy515
2 жыл бұрын
I'd say more like any small trailer under 4k would be fine in tow haul and any trailer heavier than that should be in plus regardless of flat, down or up hill
@repairvehicle
2 жыл бұрын
Remember no replacement for displacement when it comes to longevity. Why semis don't 6.7 cummins but use 12 liter cummins, because you don't longevity with small engine with pushed to the same horse power as big engines
@leekeenii1469
2 жыл бұрын
@@WhoThisGuy515 I can agree with that, just pointing out that they should use the same trailer and similar shape load (if not enclosed). I learned real quick just how much more aerodynamics play than the weight. My Dodge dually got 6-7 mpg with a 13’6” tall (but very light) load and 10-11 mpg with short (but VERY heavy) loads.
@billmalec
2 жыл бұрын
It hit 61 right before the road flattened out again so it could (should) have been another brake application.
@WHavriloRT
2 жыл бұрын
I saw that too
@billmalec
2 жыл бұрын
@@WHavriloRT Andre didn't want to count it. He's enamored with that Toyauto. 😉
@warrenstephens3705
2 жыл бұрын
TFL is just slobbering over this Tundra, almost to the point of being totally ridiculous. It just feels like the Tundra doesn't perform as well as TFL/Toyota wants it to so they're just gonna keep doing it until they get the results they want. Enough already. smh
@jacobstrutner8232
2 жыл бұрын
Probably dragged those brakes around 60-61 to get one less brake before that too. Very biased towards the tundra.
@drsgopi
2 жыл бұрын
Andre, your dedication to the channel and the art of making reviews is truly exceptional! thanks!
@danadams1661
2 жыл бұрын
Toyota engineers-“ok, we got a brand new truck, what should we do?” - I know! Let’s design a gauge cluster from 1994
@joshtavenner3073
2 жыл бұрын
I mean no worse than the other analog gauges available in other trucks. There is the fully digital version in some trims.
@jangofett8210
2 жыл бұрын
If a dated gauge cluster is all I have to deal with then sign me up.
@HDA_III
2 жыл бұрын
I call that a feature.
@lho3337
2 жыл бұрын
They have nicer gauge cluster. Pay more get more the American way.
@FuvNtsimKhaab
2 жыл бұрын
What's broken?
@l042987
2 жыл бұрын
We love kase we wanna see more of him.
@The_Opinion_of_Matt
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe tow plus is more about preserving the engine/transmission when towing heavy. Thus less engine braking on the downhill and better fuel economy (less turbo boost?) when going uphill. Interesting.
@kirkenstang
2 жыл бұрын
Would have been interesting to run it back down the mountain in just tow haul mode to see if it went back to 6 applications. That way you could tell if it was the truck or an environmental difference.
@billmalec
2 жыл бұрын
Or keep running it until you get the results you really wanted but didn't 😉
@JAMESWUERTELE
2 жыл бұрын
If the wind is blowing down the hill you will always have more applications.
@dommm111
2 жыл бұрын
🤣 Nathan is so hilarious in that add
@bayonne
2 жыл бұрын
Andre, you missed brake application #9. The speedo hit 61 mph but you didn’t use the brakes.
@n2cycles
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Toyota guy from way back. I still have a 98 Taco I purchased new. My complaint of Toyota really is about the ones made here in the USA for the past 20 years. They really have fell behind on technology and innovation with the truck line. I've got a 17 F150 platinum 3.5 ecoboost and this truck has virtually everything the new tundra has but 5 years ago. And before the fan boys jump on me, I still have 2 Toyotas and 2 Hondas in my household. The Ford isn't perfect but way ahead of the competition.
@smrtguy77777
2 жыл бұрын
That’s never been the debate, the Tundra has such a strong fan base because of its reliability, durability and longevity. That’s why people buy Tundras, not for the tech.
@911sc1981
2 жыл бұрын
@@smrtguy77777 So if you buy a Toyota it’s necessary for you to sacrifice advancements in technology for reliability? Why can’t Toyota do both? I’ve had both Toyota and Ford products and didn’t have issues with either apart from wishing the Toyota had kept up with the competition.
@eliteinventor
2 жыл бұрын
My family drives fords and Chevys and Dodge , I'm the only one that drives Toyota Tacoma I think it's a preference more than anything , I was all for the new tundra , but I need a V8 and since they don't offer that I'm looking at Ford or Chevy
@glennnichols4220
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely 100% true. Ford TTV6 in a truck 2010 Toyota 2022 HAAA. However..... Toyota does do something right every 15 or 20 years. I have a 2012 ISF and will admit while not obviously built as well as the early to mid 90's Japanese cars.....this thing will absolutely take everything you throw at it. Over engineered and takes a licking and keeps on ticking. Like the LS motors. AND not many people realize the FORD COYOTE motor is a copy cat of the 2URGSE. Won't find that on Google. But in the defense of all manufacturers....nobody wan'ts to build a trouble free vehicle anymore. It's just bad business. Just like the cure for cancer. If you had one it would be bad business
@SeahawkAz
2 жыл бұрын
@Helicopter Dad! F series is the leader due to heavy fleet sales. Toyota like Nissan depend on car sales to make the company money. With Toyota trucks are not the priority
@andyharman3022
2 жыл бұрын
I love it when they test turbocharged engines on the Ike. Naturally aspirated engines just can't keep up. TURBOS RULE!
@hawkijustin
2 жыл бұрын
Turbos and superchargers will always outperform NA at high altitude.
@creigmacc
2 жыл бұрын
There should have been 9 brake applications. Andre just didn't catch that last one. 😂
@stifreak14
2 жыл бұрын
Your concern regarding towing in hot environments is very valid. I saw 225/228 towing bit more weight in my 07 5.7 up the cajon pass to the 138, doing 60-65 also, except in 115F temps. So seeing 230 with HALF the ambient temp, is very concerning. Id be curious to see if that plate cooler can keep up in hotter weather. Fun fact; from around 150-228F (actual value) the trans gauge on my 07 didn't move! Thanks for the unbiased information! I look forward to warm weather testing.
@TheJoncic
2 жыл бұрын
Crazy seeing that much weight being pulled at 2k to 2.5k rpm.
@desertfresh3740
2 жыл бұрын
That's what boost does for you. The smaller engine DOES limit you for engine braking which is a bummer but you just drive it like Andre is and you'll be safe. I've taken my PowerBoost F150 over Ike, myself and it did just fine.
You need to have your camera guy on more often. Cool dude!
@ssmart5701
2 жыл бұрын
I just purchased this truck, all the same except mine is black. I’m not in a mountainous area, but tow roughly 9300lbs. I did install a tranny cooler, nothing fancy ( B&M) I never see temps above195 degrees in the warmer days but I didn’t own it in the dead of summer. After retiring my first gen with over 500K I am a strong Toyota supporter. I maintain all my own vehicles, probably a bit excessive but I never had to replace the engine ,transmission , transfer, front/rear axles or gears. I expect this one to perform (already has) better in all aspects, now it’s down to see if I can get 20years and 500k miles out of a V6turbo engine with routine maintenance
@jamesvaldez4093
2 жыл бұрын
I think it'll go the distance. Just gonna have to be on top of maintenance and getting it done early.
@landscapingspecialist
2 жыл бұрын
He makes a great point about ambient temperature in relation to the transmission temps. I like this guy
@iUsefull
2 жыл бұрын
Having Kase in the video will be a good case!
@DirtE30
2 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna guess the difference in downhill brake applications has more to do with winds. Headwind vs a tailwind etc.
@kristoferbrown8007
2 жыл бұрын
Good call out!
@AddingLifeAdventure
2 жыл бұрын
You guys are still the Best! Always striving for perfection. Thanks for the video.
@creigmacc
2 жыл бұрын
Perfection would have been closer if they counted the ninth brake applications that Andre decided to ignore. That would have lowered the overall test score though.
@Rock792011
2 жыл бұрын
Is this Andre's truck? Doesn't seem like anyone else can touch it other than him. Lol!
@nuther06
2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking you guys tried using cruise control on some of your Ike tests for the downhill portion. I can't remember which specific videos it took place in but I was wondering if there's a reason you haven't been doing that lately? If I recall correctly, it made a difference in the grade-shifting and I plan to try that method when towing with my new Tundra. Thanks TFL!
@snowmobiesnowman
2 жыл бұрын
Love the new camera setup!
@WW-wf8tu
2 жыл бұрын
Andre, your MPG got better because you had Kase as your travel companion this time. :)
@SSYoung125
2 жыл бұрын
Question since every vehicle seems to be hitting the 8 Minute mark could you guys do a 50mph to 60mph test whe you do your super ike to benchmark passing performance? Just a thought
@GoldenHart1970
2 жыл бұрын
Can we see how well this Tundra can tow its max (11,000 lbs.) up the Ike, since it seemed to do this weight pretty easily
@paulhunter9613
2 жыл бұрын
They won’t be able to tow 11,000 lbs with such a small payload. 1100 lb on the tongue and a driver is all it can handle. The rest of the guys will have to follow the rig in a Camry
@MegaBlaaaah
2 жыл бұрын
@@paulhunter9613 2300-1100 is 1200.. so unless they're all over 300 lbs , it'll be within rated load
@FlyGuyKanai
2 жыл бұрын
Great videos. A few questions/comments… Did Toyota change the integrated brake controller (IBC) from the previous Gen Tundra? I replaced the IBC with my old Tekonsha in my 2016 TRD DC because it did not function safely. I tow a 9000 lb travel trailer and always downshift manually when going down long descents. I believe this is what most of us do so I don’t think the automatic engine braking is super critical. A pet peeve with my 2016 is the display for remaining distance. It is not calculated based on the current (average) fuel consumption. In other words, the value does not get recalculated when you reset the average fuel consumption. Because of this, unless you tow all the time, you can’t rely on the gauge to estimate how far you can travel based on remaining fuel.
@ALMX5DP
2 жыл бұрын
The fuel economy going uphill I think was the most impressive aspect on this and the previous 22 run. Wonder if Toyota's undersquare engine design played a part, versus the Ford Ecoboost's oversquare design which does seem to be more prevalent in sports cars and things that need to rev higher.
@88yellowjacket
2 жыл бұрын
The reason the GM 2.7l turbo makes sense. Undersquare long stroke torque engine.
@ALMX5DP
2 жыл бұрын
@@88yellowjacket agreed. Before I learned more about it i was a little apprehensive since they also put it in the Cadillac sedans, but looking into it more I think it'll turn out to be a good mill for most 1/2 ton users for sure.
@denverbasshead
2 жыл бұрын
My F250 runs at 235 transmission temp almost all the time. It's normal for newer trucks to have hotter temps in order to run more efficient
@repairvehicle
2 жыл бұрын
That's why your transmission fluid is cooked at 30k miles
@denverbasshead
2 жыл бұрын
@@repairvehicle yes and I'll be changing it around 30-40k miles
@repairvehicle
2 жыл бұрын
@@denverbasshead , you are a smart man to change fluid at this intervals, majority of people believe in nonsense, 150k miles fluid or lifetime fluid.
@joreldavis4069
2 жыл бұрын
MPG Tow loop next. I would love to see what it gets towing normally
@mralero
2 жыл бұрын
Let's see more of kase in front of the camera he's a natural, I've watched tfl since 2012 used it to make many decisions over the years.
@GlennPearsonDIY
2 жыл бұрын
Transmission temps are harder to gauge these days, same with oil and coolant. Because manufacturers design them to run hotter to be more efficient. So what was ok 20 years ago is exceeded today and higher temps are ok now. This is partly due to the EPA's requirements for efficiency. Fluids are designed to run hotter and cooling systems overall are much better.
@errickkitchin36
2 жыл бұрын
That still kinda throws me off. If my coolant temp got above 200° in my 99 Accord something wasn't right, but my 19 Fusion is happy at 220°
@repairvehicle
2 жыл бұрын
High temperatures shorten life of equipment back then same thing today. Heat does not good, destroys fluid in less than 40k miles.
@GlennPearsonDIY
2 жыл бұрын
@@repairvehicle This isn't entirely accurate. Yes, heat still is the main cause for problems. But parts are designed better, modern synthetic fluids are way better at handling higher temps without breaking down compared to old conventional fluids. I haven't had a car overheat in years. When I grew up, I think all of our cars my family owned over heated at one point or another. I changed the thermostat out on my f250 so the coolant and oil both run around 180 degrees and only gets to about 200 when towing, which before it was easily in the 220-240 range. Hopefully this, combined with the better fluids today, will help it last a long time.
@repairvehicle
2 жыл бұрын
@@GlennPearsonDIY, clutch material and rubber seal still cannot tolerate heat past 220f without becoming hard and brittle. Why transmission fluid cannot last past 40k miles without being burned and wornout? It's because people believe nonsense. I have done fluid analysis and have not seen factory atf being good within factory specifications after 40k miles.
@GlennPearsonDIY
2 жыл бұрын
@@repairvehicle with my ecodiesel I did I sent all my fluids in for analysis. After 45k miles, many of which were heavy towing, my transmission fluid still had plenty of life in it according to the test. The clutch and rubber compounds wear out because the fluid can't provide proper lubricant. I'd also love to see your sources for the temps they break down at. As I know many of the materials used are much better at handling heat than they used to be. Which is the entire argument here.
@johnbouldin9033
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing the 35-60 time and the transmission temperature. Due to Kase being in the episode, I kept cringing - expecting a Manscaping commercial to start.
@tommarshall4849
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see what happens if you set the cruise control going down the Ike. My 2021 frieghtliner with automatic transmission will will do everything it can to not go more than 5mph over cruise setting. It works great going downhill on dry roads.
@4EverrBroke
2 жыл бұрын
Wow you guys are awesome! You listened to the Fans requests and made a whole new video.
@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix
2 жыл бұрын
This really has my attention. Looks like I'll be trading my 16 Titan XD Cummins for this, just not anytime soon. But once it gets up there in mileage ill definitely give this tundra a look. If Toyota would bring their 3.3 turbo diesel and put it in this I'd definitely snatch one up sooner than later.
@MrNismopro
9 ай бұрын
Keep your XD Cummins and delete and tune it. That truck and engine is so capable, and the Aisin 6 speed is absolutely amazing. That engine is capable of larger engine power numbers. Ours is around 420 HP and 740 torque with 164k miles without any issues.
@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix
9 ай бұрын
@MrNismopro I still have it. Its been fully tooned and d3l3ted since 2019. I still love it.
@andyharman3022
2 жыл бұрын
Andre is on my list of people to have dinner and a beer with. I think he would be great to talk about trucks and towing.
@jasonw8124
2 жыл бұрын
Most vehicles with automatic transmission have a "trans cooler" and in most cases it's an ATF circuit that goes through the radiator. When people ask if the new Tundra has a transmission cooler, they are referring to the previous external cooler, which is better for towing. A few years ago Toyota went back to the cheaper cooling circuit in the radiator
@MadManMachines
2 жыл бұрын
The new Tundra does not have an old school ATF circuit that pumps the atf fluid up through the radiator. What it has is a liquid cooled heat exchanger that is fed coolant from the cooling circuit. No ATF flows through a cooler embedded in the radiator like many old school designs used to.
@jasonw8124
2 жыл бұрын
@@MadManMachines seems about the same. Liquid to liquid exchanger either way.
@MadManMachines
2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonw8124 If you've ever taken apart the kind that flow through the radiator, it's essentially a finned tube inside the radiator, way less cooling capacity then a dedicated stand along heat exchanger they are using now. This actually isn't the first toyota they've used them on so it isn't an experiment for Toyota. The last thing we'll be hearing about is failed Aisin transmissions on Toyota trucks, and if i'm wrong, come back in a few years and give me a hard time.
@jblyon2
2 жыл бұрын
@@MadManMachines Aisin transmissions do many things. Failing isn't usually one of them. Though Toyota should quit stating the fluid is 'lifetime'. It needs to be changed at regular intervals just like every other fluid.
@WhoThisGuy515
2 жыл бұрын
@@jblyon2 Well remember that their "lifetime" according to engineers is about 100k miles. So they would really like you to buy a new trans from them every 100k as that's the life of the trans, not the vehicle it's self.
@brianmabin5947
2 жыл бұрын
Okay, to be honest, yesterday I told my wife, Nathan comes off as a bit stodgy sometimes in videos, so it was fun and funny to see the paid promotion with Nathan, good on you brother hairless, be bold, embrace your fleeing follicles for the freedom of the open plains clean shaven look, gives the brain more room to grow! Lol
@brianaustin1328
2 жыл бұрын
I like the new Ike format (unedited, gauges, front view) and having Case as co-pilot is cool, too.
@DRII-yv1yt
2 жыл бұрын
You all should allow for each truck to tow with whatever tow mode is optimal from each manufacturer. Sticking to TFL's old school protocol obviously benefits v8s.
@hunterdan2002
2 жыл бұрын
What more would you like them to do? They tested both tow modes.
@hellkitty1014
2 жыл бұрын
TFL is hands down the best. Love the retest! Those trans temps are still scary though.
@FrankySilverFace
2 жыл бұрын
231F is normal under the circumstances and no issues will occur at that temp. Remember All auto transmission fluids have been synthetic for a long time now. If you're uncomfortable with higher than no load temps when you tow on a steep grade on a hot day, just reduce your speed.
@bantizzle79
2 жыл бұрын
Transmission temps were fine. Will be interesting to see the temps in the summer though
@ryanvegas777
2 жыл бұрын
@@FrankySilverFace that works in most situations, but on some vehicles, reducing speed too much could result in a torque converter that won’t lock in 1st or 2nd, which could result in the opposite happening and tranny temps soaring. But in the case of this tow test this is sound advice!
@jacobstrutner8232
2 жыл бұрын
Toeing with a Duramax, no those are high temps. 230 is running hot and that "cooler" won't do shit compared to the radiator style everyone else uses
@markreams3192
2 жыл бұрын
Wind direction, wind speed, temperature will effect how fast you descend that hill. The warmer the air the less the air resistance. The first attempt may have been done with a headwind, the second with a tailwind. The tow haul plus mode may have nothing to do with the extra brake applications. Environmental conditions have a lot to do with how vehicles perform. A V6 gas engine has only so much braking power!
@fifthcircle1
2 жыл бұрын
Hill? Have you driven there? It's a bit more than a hill. LOL!
@markreams3192
2 жыл бұрын
@@fifthcircle1 at least 20 times.
@brandonmorris2513
2 жыл бұрын
Reading the comments, looks like Case is the real MVP. He knows his stuff.
@fredtotal33
2 жыл бұрын
Toyota will change many things after customer/KZitem testers show it’s deficiencies. If you have a choice.....Never buy 1st year new models.....These car companies should heed TFL's results.....great work TFL
@TheTopGun920
2 жыл бұрын
The last Tundra was unchanged for nearly 20 years lol
@channelnamehere4065
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheTopGun920 They tend to measure twice, build once (that's why it took so long). I'm sure little things will come up when this new powertrain is put to service in the coming years but expect all very little issues... That'll be the best time to get a new one is next refresh. You'll probably still get same powertrain LOL
@hotshtsr20
2 жыл бұрын
231* trans temps on a 40-something degree day doesn’t bode well for Southwestern towing…
@zelenizub2036
2 жыл бұрын
Semi truck with 80k on deck in July runs 200*.
@fritty9927
2 жыл бұрын
Transmissions are built with higher temps in mind. Not high for design.
@mesanders1113
2 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree 231* on a 40* day would definitely equal close to 300* on a 100* day. Don't know the full facts on this Toyota engine but I bet the turbos would overheat and send the engine into limp mode during the summer as well just like the Ford ecoboost does
@MadManMachines
2 жыл бұрын
It's not an air to oil tranny cooler though, it's an antifreeze to oil cooler (meaning, it's plumed into the radiator cooling system). Those types don't rise as much and pretty much track your coolant temp which is thermostatically controlled, so it won't change much, summer or winter provided toyota adequately sized the oil cooler and radiator.
@hotshtsr20
2 жыл бұрын
@@MadManMachines there was a 40* ish delta on coolant to trans temps once things started really rolling. Add in less cooling from air blowing on the trans, hotter coolant temps, heat soak, etc. I’d be concerned.
@slowsleeper550
2 жыл бұрын
Another reason for the more brake applications with the V6TT engines are that they most likely are pulling less vacuum than their naturally aspirated counterparts. That may be contributing to the added brake applications.
@sabertoothduck
2 жыл бұрын
Always appreciate real world towing and numbers guys
@jked7463
2 жыл бұрын
13 seconds 0 - 60 with 8100# trailer. It wasn't long ago that an unloaded pick up took longer than that. Thx for review.
@eieio6641
2 жыл бұрын
That would be 35 to 60, not zero t0 60
@jked7463
2 жыл бұрын
@@eieio6641 yes, true. Forgot they did that. Still impressive with 8100# in tow.
@Cbat124
2 жыл бұрын
Loved seeing Kase in this video. Enjoy the review with him and Andre!
@natematheny8710
2 жыл бұрын
I think because the milage is so low on that tundra that you have gained efficiency by breaking in the engine more since the last test.
@Chad-wb7du
2 жыл бұрын
the raw and unedited version is SO MUCH BETTER. Please only release that one going forward...
@SIMPLEHECHO
2 жыл бұрын
The oil pressure gauge was concerning as it was near the low mark. Wonder what effect that will have in the long term
@jacobstrutner8232
2 жыл бұрын
Yup very low and they don't give you real numbers on the guage to call them out for it.
@WideAwakeHuman
2 жыл бұрын
It's about time Toyota has finally caught up in terms of tech in the cabin... My 2013 land cruiser has a screen that looks like it's off a 30 yrs old.game boy while my 2013 F150 was light years ahead
@alanbildzukewicz7336
2 жыл бұрын
My 2021 Landcruiser has a 38yr old Gameboy screen and I wouldn't trade it for 3x Ford's.
@WideAwakeHuman
2 жыл бұрын
@@alanbildzukewicz7336 lmao... Well the F150 was sold a long time ago. Still have the Cruiser and have no plans to get rid of it so we agree. Still would be nice if the resolution of the backup camera looked like something in this decade tho lol
@alanbildzukewicz7336
2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Most see these 200s and can't imagine why they cost so much. Everyone assumes high tech stuff for the price etc. The bones are the value in these. And if you think that one's bad, try the 2002...mine has the factory nav that looks like it should have come with an Atari joystick.
@WideAwakeHuman
2 жыл бұрын
@@alanbildzukewicz7336 yeah I know the LC engines are made in Japan and from what I've heard they have a whole QC that goes into them unlike the ones built in the US... Like they MRI the engine cast to make sure there are no internal stress cracks or anything to ensure longevity, along with beefier frame and suspension components. Takes a lot to design a vehicle to last 20 years in 3rd world countries lol
@sherazkahlon2542
2 жыл бұрын
Wind direction and speed can be a major factor!
@4af
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Glad to see the truck has a comfy ride yet doesn't sacrifice toughness or stability.
@scottcoleman2876
2 жыл бұрын
Good review guys👍I can't get over how many hoops you have to jump through to change any settings on the truck🤔
@wileecoyote5749
2 жыл бұрын
Every time you push a button Toyota gets notified and you have to pay subscription fee
@ttww1590
2 жыл бұрын
Odd they didn't knock it for that. This re-do seemed a lot more like paid advertising than the original.
@jacobstrutner8232
2 жыл бұрын
@@wileecoyote5749 laugh but Toyota has a keyless subscription for the tundra.
@jayhiggins5239
2 жыл бұрын
Serious credit to TFL for the Do Over. Respect!
@caseyhill3915
2 жыл бұрын
It looked like the oil pressure was really on the low side. May have just been the angle the camera had on the gauge.
@Scott_From_Maine
2 жыл бұрын
If it's like every gauge (besides fuel) in virtually every car in the last 20 years, it's an "idiot gauge." It always points to the exact same spot as long as the pressure is in the normal range.
@Weatherby406
2 жыл бұрын
Just were the gauge reads in the tundra. They all do it. It looks low but that’s the normal range.
@damearstill6184
2 жыл бұрын
I love the keeps advertisement in this lol he's just standing there showcasing it 😂
@56clipper2
2 жыл бұрын
Since I'm always scanning my gages when I'm towing especially, the thing I noticed most in the video is the where the oil pressure gauge is running when under load at 3000 rpms. I know the gage is not really representative of actual oil pressure but if I looked down and the gage was at the quarter mark it would make me concerned. In was higher going down hill.
@jacobstrutner8232
2 жыл бұрын
Noticed that. Damn near 0 under full load is not good even if that gauge goes to 200 psi.
@joesmithatridecorp9011
2 жыл бұрын
Andre bringing new talent, It's a stand up guy that makes room for the next man!
@8k_all_day664
2 жыл бұрын
Should've also put the Titan against it for this second pass 👍
@patriotone755
2 жыл бұрын
The Titan is history. Nissan dropped it like a hot rock.
@Shakerhood69
2 жыл бұрын
I read that too, it said the Titan is on the chopping block.
@ALMX5DP
2 жыл бұрын
It’s a shame if that rumor was true. Titan is a damn good 1/2 ton truck.
@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix
2 жыл бұрын
@@ALMX5DP yes it is, very under rated.
@williammodlin2621
2 жыл бұрын
I think you guys are doing a disservice to the trucks you test if you don’t use all the capabilities built in to the truck. For example, my RAM 2500 has a cruise control and gear limiter that do a great job of keeping the speed exactly where I want when I’m towing my 5th wheel. I’d like to see you use those features if a truck has them. Now, I don’t have Ike Gauntlet grades here in New Hampshire, but we do have a few 5% grades. Anyway, I do appreciate all the hard work you do making these videos. TFL is a great team.
@djb1634
2 жыл бұрын
I will say it again I want to see the hybrid regenerative braking take this on. That system loves being on a constant load like that. The only limit I see at that point for the reg em braking is of the battery is full. Can’t wait I know you guys are gonna do a hybrid when you can.
@jacobstrutner8232
2 жыл бұрын
Over great that battery under your back seat and vent into the cab making AC run and cause more heat...
@djb1634
2 жыл бұрын
@@jacobstrutner8232 I live in Houston a very hot and very humid city. And have yet to see that complaint on the Prius which also has the battery in the cabin using the cabin a/c to cool it. The engineers size the a/c system based on the requirements of the cabin. So if they foresee extra heat being added by the battery pack they would just increase the a/c capacity. Bigger houses get bigger a/c systems so why wouldn’t a car? Most of the heat in the hybrid system isn’t generated in the battery it’s in the inverter which has its own separate cooling system. If you look under the hood of a Prius you will see two coolant reservoirs one for the engine and the other for the inverter.
@yoster77
2 жыл бұрын
I wish you guys wouldn't do super ike on such cold days. For us in high temp conditions, it doesn't test it hard enough for us. I'd like to see these tests in 90+ weather. But I get that timing and availability of the trucks doesn't always allow for that.
@bonesdug2001
2 жыл бұрын
When you start in tow haul plus, I think you need to set the cruise at 50 and let the system work.
@calebjared75
2 жыл бұрын
Test a commercial Big Rig for us! Im so curious what that is like, I am sure we would find a lot more respect for truck drivers.
@frh-freerangehuman
2 жыл бұрын
One would think having trailer brake control on the steering wheel, maybe even like a paddle shifter type control, would be fortuitous. As much as I dislike the ads and usually jump past them, the Keeps ad with Case and Nathan was pretty humorous.
@michaelmurphy5221
2 жыл бұрын
That would be a great idea. Paddle shifter brake controllers.
@channelnamehere4065
2 жыл бұрын
Brake controllers are set once and forget. It's probably something all the mfgs thought through and decided to keep consistent for safety reasons. By your reasoning, why not use the floor shifter? It's probably why all the brake controllers have similar look and function across all brands.
@frh-freerangehuman
2 жыл бұрын
@@channelnamehere4065 good point. I don’t tow so I had no idea. I was under the impression you could also slide the controller if needed for emergency etc. Thanks dude
@walldogger1
2 жыл бұрын
@@channelnamehere4065 According to what I read on the Tundra forums, few Tundra owners "dare" to use the Sequential Shifter. In this age of "do it for me," it'll only get worse.The "smarter" our vehicles become, the more lackadaisical and inattentive drivers will be.
@morgancoldfirecoldfire8256
2 жыл бұрын
ignored a break application and switched to the view of tow plus lol
@smartwerker
2 жыл бұрын
Never forget Toyota is the Iron Man of consumer vehicles. They focused on longevity of their vehicles longgggggggg ago and you don't see many stacked up in tow yards because the engine or tranny tapped out. 🤣🤣🤣 Check the history and lineage. Sometimes you gotta just give it up to better engineering
@paulhunter9613
2 жыл бұрын
@smartwerker But this is supposed to be an all new vehicle so you perceived reliability doesn’t apply.
@karlelliott9254
2 жыл бұрын
Like the man said, look up the 85.5 mm bore and 100 stroke under square combined with fuel control. Pulling that weight plus itself at 7% grade and 60 MPH and getting five MPG. Torque is King. Impossible at 32 hundred RPM with a 3.5 liter? Not for this baby mule! The old Willys F-Head was way under square gas, intake in head, exhaust in the block and would idle at 400 RPM and pull like crazy at 1400 RPM with only 67 horses. Next big thing, Achates in your local Ford dealer lot. Gotta keep up with that competition.
@JustinKingOffroad
2 жыл бұрын
i've never had a vehicle (gas engine) that had respectable programmed downhill speed control without riding your brakes. I always just over-ride the transmission and ride the engines down near red line to control my trailer speeds. i'm always 1 or 2 gears lower than the programmed downhill gear to keep my speeds down.
@channelnamehere4065
2 жыл бұрын
Especially with learning ECUs these days that vary the parameters depending on so many different driving conditions. That's why they got the result they did - it's all based on what the computer thinks you need - the computer doesn't know you're trying to run a test and want to get the least amount of brake applications possible... LOL
@martyb3783
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting information. I am considering buying a new truck to tow a travel trailer. This towing information is exactly what I am looking for. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
@RichardJohnson-sg3vo
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks guy,Nicely done , BUT At 46* outside trans in the errr ok range, still need a real aft cooler and that test just proved it.
@borysnijinski331
4 ай бұрын
Testing should be done at max tow rating. If everyone is doing 65/70, tow at that speed to make truck work harder.
@themorrishouse6044
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys for all the videos. I have had 3 different tundras. I like my 12 rock warrior crew max best. I have a 17 pro crew max now. I have a 1794 with a 6.5 box ordered. I have 1 big issue with the new tundra and that's the lack of front tow hooks. WTF! I use mine allot to work on the farm or job. Did Mike the head engineer from toyota say they would be an accessory? At least they could have offered them on the off road packages and the pro. Very disappointing. Please express our disappointment to toyota. I will have to turn to the aftermarket I think.
@MrBuschschulte
2 жыл бұрын
Have you guys ever tried using cruise control for towing tests? My 2020 1500 duramax will down shift and hold itself back better going down hill ONLY in cruise control. It’s wired but the truck performs better in cruise. I live near a hill in Az you use once a long time ago. Rye hill by Payson. Might want to play with it and see if you find the same thing as I’ve found
@Stephen03S600
2 жыл бұрын
that style of cooler on the Toyota is termed a "heat sink". GM uses them for engine oil a lot.
@nm-qt2hb
2 жыл бұрын
They are a liquid cooled heat exchanger. A bar and plate designed core. Engine coolant flows in one half and ATF or engine oil flows through the other half. Very similar to the intercooler you find in the lower intake manifold on a roots style supercharged set up. They have been used for years as oil cooler's. You see them many times in between the oil filter and the engine. They work very well and eliminate the need for another core in front of the radiator.
@simonjones5614
2 жыл бұрын
@@nm-qt2hb Correct. An added benefit is faster warmup of the ATF or engine oil for better efficiency and lubrication.
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