The E60 is the wildest M5 that was ever built. The winner in my heart
@goldeneye9381
10 күн бұрын
I agree
@vz6235
7 күн бұрын
@@jackgotspeed wildest how? It’s quite slow and lacks in torque, if by wild you mean that it has a v10 sure - but the car itself is really not that wild or fast. Sounds great but that’s about it
@augustortiz
Ай бұрын
The V10 and F90 CS are instant classics.
@carlosrieum1526
Ай бұрын
fr
@rahulmandala4930
29 күн бұрын
The V10 as the ideal weekend car and the F90 as the proper daily!
@georgestamatakis697
27 күн бұрын
No way. They won't last anyway. Build in Poland
@carlosrieum1526
27 күн бұрын
@@georgestamatakis697 lol
@elmonyopi1577
Ай бұрын
For me the best ///M5 1. F90 ///M5cs 2. E60 V10 ///M5 3. E39 ///M5
@johncreedon7847
26 күн бұрын
E60 M5 E92 M3 and E46 Csl best 3 m cars ever. Naturally aspirated days of bmw M were the rawest purest and most soulful
@dougie8010
17 күн бұрын
I was a motorcyclist for 11 years before breaking my back. Now a paraplegic since 2010...my e61 M5 has given me a similar pleasure to being on my 600rr and 848evo. 12 years of trouble free s85 ownership and will never sell it!
@marcusoctober4856
Ай бұрын
Not choosing the E39 in the first video is criminal 💀
@augustortiz
Ай бұрын
It really is lol. And I dislike all the hype around the e46/e39 but saying the e34>e39 is crazy talk.
@pckl300
29 күн бұрын
I6 over V8 any day, especially in a BMW.
@Shadowboost
29 күн бұрын
@@augustortiz E34>>>>>>E39
@biafo4541
28 күн бұрын
@@marcusoctober4856 agreed, in fact , over both videos
@DolleHengst
27 күн бұрын
@@augustortizThe E34 had an engine based in motor racing. It was the last M5 that was hand-built by M GmbH. It was also the last M5 with the famous sharknose and classic round head lights. The design is much more mature and stylish than the 90's jellymold E39.
@davida7713
Ай бұрын
F90 m5 cs is probably the best ever bmw they made.. Certainly one of them for sure
@hassanger8128
22 күн бұрын
It's not the best among BMW cars. The F90 M5 CS is one of the best cars in the entire auto history
@davidspropaganda
Ай бұрын
I had an E34 1992 3.8 Litre M5 with the Nurburgring pack over 20 years ago, along with multiple E32, E36's and E34's (wonderful cars) and we currently have a newish 2 and 7 (which are not impressive to me), so I am well versed in the different generations. I don't really understand Andrew's point that the new car is much more useable than the E34, unless he means they are old now and may need a lot of looking after. If you get a mint E34 M5, representative of how they were new, I feel they are every bit as useable as a new car ( I have 2-300,000 miles in the E32's and E34's and they were a joy to drive and appreciate as uncynical, honest, balanced, well designed and built drivers machines). The new ones annoy me. The only modern necessities 80's, 90's cars need and don't have (maybe; I mean I did fine without them over twenty years ago) are a way to connect your phone, play your music etc and use a sat nav, but the single Din slot means you can do that now, Blaupunkt make two radios which look like an 80's and 90's model, match the dash design language, and you can use your phone for everything, which while not as "good" as carplay is a small price to pay and it works very well. Its not like the BMW iDrive is a pleasure, its annoying. The 80's BMW dash and cabins were an ergonomic masterpiece and a pleasure that never got old and can bring huge satisfaction still. The newish 2 series which I use most annoys me to death. The modes are ill judged and pants, about 20% of the time the traction control is not off when it should be, and when very cold it stays on because I imagine, some possible liability. The steering modes are rubbish, you do not need your steering to be heavy at 2 mph to let you know its sporty, and you do not need it to floppy in the normal modes at 70mph in a crosswind in the normal mode. I leave it in the "sportiest", traction control off mode most of the time, because at least at speed the steering has some resistance though the feel is terrible. Quite often in the sport modes the steering stays in the floppy mode (an error) even though the traction is off. The only time I enjoy this car is in the autumn and winter when it starts to feel like the old BMW's which were such fun year round and in summer I have to provoke the h*** out of it to get it to slide round the roundabouts and I like to slide round every roundabout in an understated and safe way that goes mostly unnoticed; the tyres are just ridiculous, much bigger than an E36 M3, of which it has about the same power, and the E36 was criticised for not having the finesse of the E30 M3. E36 brochures state the tyre width as 215mm from 316i to 325i. The E36 325i and 328i had the same balance as the 316i but were adjustable on the throttle; a delight, while the 316i was not adjustable on the throttle at all except on ice. In the period the 316i was criticised as not having the power to bring the chassis to life, the huge tyres on the 2 series make it feel the same as an E36 316i that goes fast in a straight line, and in the dry you have to really provoke it to get it to play and then it can bite a little, no balance, though it is there underneath and you can reveal it in autumn and winter, though it still has nowhere near the gentle adjustable balance of an E36 325i on 215 mm tyres. At the end of winter I start to begrudgingly like the 2 series, a few weeks in to summer I actively hate the thing. An E36 325i / 328i was a joy - full stop. These criticisms go for all the new BMW's. The newish 7 (its about 4-5 years old) is so ill judged I don't drive it and I loved the E32's. Long winded way of saying I think any E30, E34, E36 or E32 including the Motorsport cars are fully useable year round and an absolute joy. If I could go into a showroom and choose between any model of new 2 series versus a brand new E30 325i with a Z3 steering rack fitted /E36 328i, or any new 5 versus a brand new E34 525i 24v, 535i or M5 3.6 or 3.8, or any new 7 versus an E32 735i straight six I would leave very happy in either a new E30, E36, E34 or E32 and I wouldn't consider the new ones for a single second (and thats with the experience of owning them). The old ones are fundamentally good cars with beautiful straight sixes, not turbo'd bland 4 cylinders which are out of breath above 80 on the motorway. The new ones are ill judged, compromised by the awful cultural winds of our time and anything good about them comes from the old ones, and in the old ones you can have the good without the bad. The E39's are very impressive, the finessed feel from the rear end, that you can feel through any roundabout is a lovely feeling, but they are also more detached and they have a slight hint of what was going to go wrong with the later cars.
@Shadowboost
29 күн бұрын
E30 and E34 are the best. E39 and E46 are pretty nice, E60 is special but still too big and heavy and it goes way downhill from there. The F90 CS is a great car, but too big, too heavy, too dependent on electronic help. It's the best car of the modern saloon age, but that ain't saying much
@Gardus82
28 күн бұрын
Great comment. I have no lust for recent BMWs, while the e34 in the video is a beautiful thing.
@superfast30
Ай бұрын
The E60 ///M5 represents peak Motorsport derived, sky high revving, ITB equipped N/A engine development for the ///M division. The hype surrounding the E60 ///M5 at launch, was off the charts and remains unmatched to this day by any other subsequent M car release and the same can be said for the E92 ///M3 with it's glorious S65! Out of the more modern turbo V8 M5's, the F10 takes the cake for me as it's the only one with a dual clutch and has an angrier demeanour in competition spec than its replacement.
@pauln0371
25 күн бұрын
As a mid way house that's a hell of a lot cheaper I'd probably go F10 competition pack for about £25k. 600hp daily usability and the Competition chassis upgrades..👍👍
@chrisw1147
Ай бұрын
Love the interaction between Dan and Andrew on these videos. Great to hear from two different generations, both with equal passion for cars.
@biafo4541
Ай бұрын
V10 all say long, its a sedan with a V10. It will never happen again
@9aqua_man282
Ай бұрын
Agreed and I think it’s beautiful
@keremkuruuzumcu7761
Ай бұрын
they didnt bother making it actually good sooooooooooooooooooooo many reliability problems
@tattttu9
Ай бұрын
It might not happen now, but it happened back then, with the audi s8, and also the s6, if you ignore the bonkers fast and extremely well performing audi rs6.
@tattttu9
Ай бұрын
Also vw had a v10 in their phaeton
@Brian.Jones.310
Ай бұрын
@@tattttu9Why would the V10 RS6 be ignored? It was the fastest out of the three and was available as a sedan/saloon.
@R8andGT3Fan
Ай бұрын
Everyone loves the CS! They must've done something right with that. 😅😅 I'm used to cars with no torque, and I know it's kind of fragile (not in all cases), but I'd still take the V10...God knows how much I love that car. Little exhaust/intake mods and you're good to go. 🤩
@fastdays_1
29 күн бұрын
You are never "good to go" with that car...endless problems for a little reward
@MrCarz95
29 күн бұрын
@@fastdays_1I have two V10 m5's and two M6, over 8 years period not a single breakdown or serious issues apart from regular and preventive maintenance work. Best engine in any BMW ever!
@suprtran
29 күн бұрын
As @fastdays_1 stated, regular and preventative maintenance is key. Plus, the S85 is quite easy to work on, even for a non-professional mechanic like myself.
@R8andGT3Fan
29 күн бұрын
@@suprtran @MrCarz95 Thanks for your inputs! 👏🏾
@biafo4541
28 күн бұрын
@fastdays_1 it's called being a petrolhead
@NomadJedi
23 күн бұрын
The M5 CS is a huge sendoff and a commemoration of what the M5 has accomplished throughout the years. It's really telling that everyone likes it. If M5 were a television series, the CS would be the grand finale. On the other hand, the G90 feels like a reboot or a spin-off. It's a regulations compliance car, I'm not sure anyone will cherish it in 10 years.
@naj114
Ай бұрын
I might be biased as I own an F11 but the F10 M5 is hands down the most beutiful of the bunch.
@FELiPES101
29 күн бұрын
I think the whole series was kind of ruined by the fact that the f10 and the f90 were not the regular spec m5 version versus the previous 4 generations tested.
@paultasker7788
5 күн бұрын
Yeah. And how expensive are these special versions? Really need to compare stock editions.
@mokotedimogadime8567
Ай бұрын
F90 CS is such an extreme car and has such a limited production run that a comparison with standard and competition M5s would have been more of a representative comparison. But tx for a well made vid, I had been looking forward to part 2. BTW, I love e34 but it's the e39 for me.
@R03333
Ай бұрын
E60 M5 touring manual is my lottery win road trip car. Would need a specialist to give it a once over before you attempted any of the road trips of course😅
@The_North0
29 күн бұрын
Why are you scared of e60 m5? I have 180,000 miles on my m5 v10
@flacjacket
29 күн бұрын
@@The_North0because they have a ton of expensive problems. Throttle actuators, rod bearings, VANOS pump, fuel pump, SMG pump, oil cooler, differential issues and those are just the things that are so common that they will almost certainly hit your wallet.
@flacjacket
29 күн бұрын
Touring was never made in manual, but some have been converted.
@suprac19
25 күн бұрын
@@flacjacketI don’t agree with that, I’ve had my e60 m5 for 12 years, in that time I’ve done preventative maintenance which include, actuators, rod bearings and clutch and had no issues with the car, it’s the best car I’ve owned.
@biafo4541
10 күн бұрын
@suprac19 that's the thing with cars like this, you HAVE to do preventative maintenance, it's not a corolla. If u understand that when you buy one, it should go well. If I had the money, I'd get one...and a corolla for daily
@KgothatsoTlhabadira
Ай бұрын
The E60 was more M than 5, the F10 was more 5 than M and the F90 was half and half where M meets 5 especially the CS version.
@javierjimenez3627
Ай бұрын
I disagree
@KgothatsoTlhabadira
Ай бұрын
@@javierjimenez3627 the E60 was basically built around the engine and the 5 series part of it was somewhat of an afterthought. The F10 was built first as a 5 Series to correct the short comings of the E60 hence it got heavy then they suddenly remembered to put the M in. The F90 is half and half because they used the F10 as a test bed, you can only put so much power down with RWD hence the F90 is AWD. The weight of the F10 meant the chassis was off dynamically, the F90 is lighter to negate that and lighter still in the CS.
@javierjimenez3627
29 күн бұрын
@@KgothatsoTlhabadira I understand your point but again I disagree, the E60 M5 comes from an era where BMW was putting everything in F1, hence why the V10 S85 could be develope, when it comes to the f10 m5 is was "cheaper" to develope a new turbo powertraine instead of going with a naturally aspirated engine, the E60 M5 feel more raw vs the F10 M5 because they prioritized the comfort, but anyway the f10 is faster, and consume less fuel, in the end is a better car, I'll say is a perfect daily, I like both of them, they are unique in their own world, I prefer the F10 M5 vs the F90 M5
@KgothatsoTlhabadira
29 күн бұрын
@@javierjimenez3627 I prefer the F10 and F90, to me the E60 has only that engine and I'm a sucker for looks and it's just ugly.
@javierjimenez3627
29 күн бұрын
@@KgothatsoTlhabadira ugly? You're blind
@roadmantop3769
29 күн бұрын
E34 is the swag car for me, sports cloth, manual gearbox. Objectively not the fastest but a reminder of all the things that made BMW so desirable & special.
@y2kazan868
29 күн бұрын
No one talks about the way the E60 seat bolsters hug you on every turn.
@mbizozo6271
Ай бұрын
Recently got an F10, for its size, not even the M5 but it feels sooo good when going fast, not to mention the everyday stuff. Absolutely love it.
@geoffdowdall8373
28 күн бұрын
Agreed and handles very well too
@mbizozo6271
28 күн бұрын
@@geoffdowdall8373 It does. I was surprised NGL.
@geoffdowdall8373
28 күн бұрын
@@mbizozo6271hides its size very well . Fun to drive country roads too
@Eldomibori
24 күн бұрын
Agreed. And mine has been so reliable.
@BallTickler420
8 күн бұрын
What sort of engine have y'all got in it? Looking to get one as well (currently own an E46 and I love the 6 cylinder so I'd really like to get a 6 cylinder again which basically leaves the 535i and 530/535/550d but I do not like what I read about the N-series engines).
@tinorosmg9374
Ай бұрын
V10❤
@JerainJezza
14 күн бұрын
I've had the E39 M5 and the E60 M5 and now a stage 2 F90 M5 and it's the best allrounder and so fast. It can do work, family and nordschleife miles all in one. Sometimes I do miss a manual gearbox but the 8HP does fit the car really well 99% of the time.
@qadrik
27 күн бұрын
Respectfully, I disagree entirely with the conclusion. The first 3 generations of M5 are near perfection.
@hassanger8128
22 күн бұрын
Ok boomer
@noobasdfjkl
19 күн бұрын
You don’t have to be a boomer to recognize the character and tactility of the early generations just can’t be replicated by the newer cars.
@PixelVogue
28 күн бұрын
V10 + DCT in the works by two people I know... 🔥🔥🔥
@noobasdfjkl
19 күн бұрын
Pointless. Just get a proper manual.
@markbiggart1265
Ай бұрын
That M5 CS is beautiful. Best looking 5 gen.
@amirhashm1
Ай бұрын
First of all thanks for the great videos on these fantastic cars. But... The M5 CS may be the fastest and best handling M5 ever but there are two major issues with it which to me don't allow it to be the best M5 ever. The price which was ludicrous and only having four seats. The use case for an M5 is gone and the CS is a niche product which, as fantastic as it is, not a delivery to the M5 ethos. The E60 is very very special. When spent time with it is probably the most special M5 ever and it's engine is indeed a masterpiece. Everytime you drive one you are amazed at what it can do. It really should be second and the E34 number one. 1- E34 2 - E60 3 - E39 4 - E28 5 - F10 6 - F90 CS (arguably the best car here but doesn't tick the box in this comparison)
@HasanAli-fx4kk
28 күн бұрын
Yup agreed 👍
@faissalo
28 күн бұрын
💯
@RyRch
28 күн бұрын
I’d put the E39 higher but totally agree on your main points.
@jamesmartinwyatt
25 күн бұрын
Agreed. The CS is a limited edition special. Very expensive, and a very big car with only 4 seats. Most likely many will be bought by people who want an investment not a form of transport (and while I appreciate the first 4 gens are also in that category now, they were not in their day). If you want to buy one and actually use it, the standard F10 M5 is still superb value. But for me the E34, E39, and E60 - in that order - are the best overall.
@hassanger8128
22 күн бұрын
The launch price of the M5 CS was $143K. Currently, a used M5 CS is very hard to find, and the price is over $300K. The value will keep going up, and this car could have been the best investment to their owners.
@barryvanderdong
17 күн бұрын
The F10 30-years model is a truly magnificent piece of sportsaloon by bmw.
@augustortiz
Ай бұрын
18:00 Remove two catalysts from the V10 and you will definitely hear the V10 sir.
@IRoss106
25 күн бұрын
But that would be an unfair test right? Similarly unfair to comparing the limited edition M5 CS, to the rest of the range and it miraculously winning
@lewisvincent7479
29 күн бұрын
F10 M5 not enough character? Madness! Put it in MDM or traction fully off and it can be pretty scary. That mixed with no opf and the DCT- it has lots of character
@petrolpoodle6617
25 күн бұрын
I couldn't care less whether my personal favourites weren't declared winners or not - and looking at some of the comments I think a few people need to chill out and grow up 😂 - These guys have driven 200x more cars than any of us, and they just drove them all back to back. Who else is likely to have a more fresh and valid comparison in their mind at this moment? - And as for the criticism of the E60 M5 wasn't some special edition (I can't remember if there even was one?) like the other 2, it's so, so difficult to get all dream cars across the country to the same location on the same day. - The video production costs a fortune, these journalists are top of their game and we're all watching for free. Lighten up and support quality content whether you agree with the opinions or not!
@19910602011
29 күн бұрын
If given the opportunity to pick one for a day to drive it's the E60 for sure will be my choice
@dieselstar5
29 күн бұрын
The E60 M5 is the best for sound and top speed performance.
@johnherold5869
9 күн бұрын
I own an E60 M5 with a 6MT. Truly a special car to drive. Usually an afterthought in videos like these bc it’s very uncommon, but with that gearbox I think it’s the best M5 ever made.
@FlyasaDiamond
Ай бұрын
E60 good lord it looks and sounds incredible
@Dvw87
Ай бұрын
Ready to be burnt at the stake but I do think Bangle was quite visionary with the E60 as it got better with age. Looks aside V10 all day
@JohnSmith-in1tt
Ай бұрын
I completely agree with you. I think the E60 and well as the E63 M6 of that same generation are gorgeous. Definitely getting better with age
@SmallBlogV8
Ай бұрын
The current and outgoing BMW generations make Bangle's work look rational, deliberate in every decision and deceptively well balanced. Nowadays, BMW design has completely gone out the window - just aimless, chaotic confrontation that's all about attention for attention's sake...
@Dvw87
Ай бұрын
@@SmallBlogV8agree and to be honest it is a problem with many cars nowadays. Too many fake vents and garish adornments.
@TheCluesRNTheBlues
Ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-in1ttThe E63 M6 looks like a derpy beaver from the front, with a very awkward looking backend. That rear spoiler didn’t traslate well from the Bangle Z9 Gran Turismo Concept. I think Fisker fixed the design slightly with his coach built M6 called the Latigo (the grill still is “meh”).
@JohnSmith-in1tt
Ай бұрын
@@TheCluesRNTheBlues well that’s your opinion. I understand I might be in the minority, but I really like the way it looks
@adams7405
Ай бұрын
There were noise regulations way back then,plus the E60 was meant to be the gentlemans racer.I have a Dinam ECU and intake and an exhaust on mine,570BHP and a world away fron todays sad bangs and pops.
@kemson4455
23 күн бұрын
1. E39 and E60 2. F90 CS 3. E34
@FurkanCemTurfanda
Ай бұрын
It's not fair to use the 30 Yahre and the CS, the standard versions drive very differently, especially the CS.
@alexblackburn9771
29 күн бұрын
I own an F10 M5. It’s quite easy to bring a standard car to 30 Jahre level, even easier with a Competition pack. Comp pack is already there, the extra 25hp wouldn’t be hugely noticeable. Chassis and suspension mods are the same. Standard car needs a touch more work, but not much. CP pack swaybars, lowering springs, and get someone to code in the diff, gearbox and shock settings from the comp. Total cost around $1000USD for new parts and coding. A tune on either pushes these cars way past the 600hp of the 30 Jahre. 700rwhp cars with an off the shelf Stage 2 and a set of high flow down pipes are quite common.
@FurkanCemTurfanda
29 күн бұрын
@alexblackburn9771 Sure I agree for the F10, but the Comp vs CS on the F90 drive like two different cars from what everyone says.
@mark5nb
29 күн бұрын
@@FurkanCemTurfanda yes but they're searching for the greatest m5 at the end of the day, they should have drove the regular f90 too to compare it to the CS
@dlb44
Ай бұрын
So the best M5 is the very limited, twice the price, CS. Cool.
@y0057
29 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@biafo4541
28 күн бұрын
@@dlb44 hahahaha this channel is new, clearly
@hassanger8128
22 күн бұрын
The launch price of the M5 CS was $143K. Currently, a used M5 CS is very hard to find, and the price is over $300K. The value will keep going up, and this car could have been the best investment to their owners.
@dlb44
22 күн бұрын
None of that is true. Unless you are in Australia.
@ii_dynasty
21 күн бұрын
One for sale at 131k, cars and bid sold for 150k. The new G90 M5 actually sold for more at 280k. @@hassanger8128
@LOLA6ifyable
Ай бұрын
Imagine going from any of those (new or old ) to the G90 .. gosh.
@adwonl
21 күн бұрын
The testers make the classic mistake with the E60 M5 SMG. There is no need to get off the throttle for upshifts. Needing to do so is a sign the gearbox needs to be adapted again or the clutch is on the way out. It’s by no means an automatic gearbox BTW with buttery smooth or lightning fast upshifts. It’s just the box doing the manual shifting for you. So don’t compare them.. 😊
@rooster16091982
13 күн бұрын
Correct - I own one and I've seen nearly every reviewer make this mistake and often not have the car in the best settings.
@lushabhsaxena6674
28 күн бұрын
Loved the video and the verdict was unexpected. Great!
@RearWheelZeal
Ай бұрын
Excellent presentation, chaps. A small critique: I'd have preferred to see the base level cars receive more weighting in this comparison even if some couldn't actually make it to the show in person. The CS in particular seems a model whose "greatness" is severely limited by it's lack of availability and astronomical cost.
@joetacchino4470
27 күн бұрын
They said they wanted the best model of each generation so no one could say it didn’t get its fair chance.
@HandsomeAlex25
29 күн бұрын
You missed an opportunity to shame the new one! While the Bangle-era E60's headlights and strange trunk treatment took getting used to, I don't think the new one will age so gracefully.
@ii_dynasty
21 күн бұрын
Disagree, the G90 just looks very modern and new age. Very cyberpunk. All the G90 renders for bodykits are extremely badass.
@TheDaneJohni
22 күн бұрын
14:03 his phone starts ringing again..
@olly1oo6
Ай бұрын
I get the noise thing with the v10 (perhaps BMW's attempt at making it 'luxury' and refined), but it is just so hard to go past that era of ridiculous tech mated with ridiculous displacement. Everything was pushed to its limits, and that to me makes the e60 such a special M car. Having said that, I think the problem with the e60 for those keen on a high revving NA saloon experience with genuine daily useability.....is the e90 M3. 4 doors, same practicality, DCT and manual options, and the v8 iteration of the screamer in the e60. A bit lighter and more pointed, too. Owned one a while ago and its the one car I wish I had never sold.
@samg7963
29 күн бұрын
E60 is a cracking car and the engine itself shouldn’t be disrespected. It’s a super fun car to drive and you can’t knock the performance. The SMG box isn’t great but you get used to it, performs well using the paddles in M mode.
@aowen1079
29 күн бұрын
I agree with the presenters. But man I love that once there was a 5 series with a screaming V10. Such an anomaly and all good examples will be future collectors classics. Just like all the previous E series M5's.
@TTOOS
18 күн бұрын
M6 V10!!!... With exhaust mod!!!
@misterdragzon
Ай бұрын
M5 CS is already a modern classic
@adecirkett5351
28 күн бұрын
I would still like an E39
@neeklaus
Ай бұрын
G30/F90 5 series is one of the best looking bimmers ever made
@janchrzciciel
28 күн бұрын
Can't wait for the e63 version of this :D
@angelreborn1283
26 күн бұрын
i agree, the base F10 M5 was a bit soft side....can feel the body roll .....more to comfort...then ...i upgraded the front sway bar to competition bar but back i remain stock because i wanted comfort for my kids at the back...and upgraded the spring to Eibach Pro-Kit Spring Set.....then the car became more stiff and handling is greatly improve....much less body roll....totally a different car handling...
@Kelveron
29 күн бұрын
The M5 CS is probably thr finest supersaloon made, period!
@ClintWestmetal88
Ай бұрын
I did about 36k miles in my e39 M5 and it’s still the best car I’ve owned. Does absolutely everything well and I’ll take a manual gearbox over paddles for involvement any day of the week.
@AlfisGarage
6 күн бұрын
Those roads you drove on were shaking the cars so much that my back started to hurt :)
@m3lowiesvlog715
25 күн бұрын
Greatest definitely the V10 E60!!!!!!!! All day!!!!!!!!!!
@davidjames3330
22 күн бұрын
Fantastic videos, Part 1 and 2--thanks for putting them together. I completely understand the enchantment with the CS, and it's clearly a coveted phenomenon of a machine, by any measure. But honestly, in terms of what most people are accessing and in terms of the comparison with other models here, the F90 Comp deserved more discussion. It was dismissed toward the end in a way that simply didn't do justice to its virtues--dynamically (where it's class-leading if you put it up against a E63s or RS6) or acoustically (where it sounds much better, in fact, than the CS itself, which was thoroughly restricted by '21 EU noise regs). I'd wager that the majority of drivers would find it no less driver focused in 95% of real-world situations, given the general paucity of opportunities we have in the UK nowadays to exercise these four-door missiles to anything like their upper limit on public backroads. Not every M5 driver is chasing track times either. Sure, the CS is astonishing and remains a testament to M's engineering prowess. But the Comp, in its own right, is hardly 'forgettable' or lacking character. Indeed, as any carshow regular will tell you, the Comp has brought joy to more enthusiasts than the CS ever will, thereby allowing the exoticness of a contemporary V8 supersaloon in this day and age not to be the preserve of the exclusive few. It therefore deserved a more judicious chapter in what was otherwise a detailed, balanced, and engaging account.
@ilmelangolo
26 күн бұрын
M3 next please!
@SmallBlogV8
Ай бұрын
Greg James will be devastated the E34 didn't win.
@viperatech
7 күн бұрын
Kudos for a car reviewer who finally understands the SMG is basically a fucking MANUAL TRANSMISSION with a hydraulic pump--- and should be driven like one. Nobody could understand it at the time and many idiots chiming off on how it's "jerky and sucks" have no clue that feathering the throttle is a thing.
@paulwilliams2862
22 күн бұрын
Fully enjoyed this, the e34 winning did surprise me but I do agree having had a normal 6 pot e34 and how much fun that was to chuck around- I’d absolutely love the M5 cs but I just don’t think I could live with the hard bucket seats and hard ride over the uk’s brilliant roads every day- I’m afraid I’m still going to stick with the e39- the soundtrack is just music to me.
@IRoss106
25 күн бұрын
Unfortunately the viewers have been short changed. Never should the rest of the M5’s be fairly compared to a 1 in 300 Jahre or a 1 in 1000 CS. Especially when their respective models do provide a standard model to COMPLETE the test. You can’t praise the understated looks of other M5’s along with daily practicality and performance THEN have them lose out to a limited edition CS, ridiculous price tag, less practicality and garish wheels/looks to the rest of the field. It’s not the M5 ethos and you guys as reviewers know that. Like with the Jaguar Project 8, it would unquestionably be entitled to a great review of its own, without being compared to another performance XE. M5 CS should have that treatment too.
@e46m54nissansr20937
24 күн бұрын
Dan is an international treasure his reviews are chef’s kiss imo.
@ehtikhet
28 күн бұрын
Does anyone know the roads they were driving on?
@ianeldridge7253
28 күн бұрын
I think it's North Wales - on the "horseshoe pass" near Llangollen. We have been known for closing the odd road for a little while to allow a road-tests to be done! It's a good road (no barriers and quite a drop down the mountain if you get it badly wrong!), surface is smooth, but undulating as you can see by the suspension working hard on the road test cars. Great road in the dry, absolutely terrifying in the wet (for me anyway) as the water runs off the mountain and the road is just awash
@TheDaneJohni
22 күн бұрын
The best choise in part 1. But you should have used a e60 M5 manual for this part. So much better and the only choise in this M5 setup.
@fastlanediaries6593
19 күн бұрын
Stuck an Eismann exhaust on my V10. Trust me you heard it that in the cabin 😮 sounding like an F1 car
@mediocreman2
Ай бұрын
Why would the F90 be any more useable than the E34? Just because you're scared of not having Bluetooth and you have to actually engage the gear yourself?
@ogmechsftw
Ай бұрын
scared of screens? lol
@iananderson5357
29 күн бұрын
I enjoyed watching the two videos but let’s be honest here it was always going to be the CS that new one has big shoes to fill.
@jay14org
3 күн бұрын
Wife has the e60..i have the e39....different beasts,but both awesome in their own rights.
@cmonroy8423
22 күн бұрын
I can't believe I've found your channel just now after such a long time. Liked and subscribed. Anyways, doesn't make much sense to pick those of the most special editions for this test, such as 30 jahre or the CS as most ppl won't be able to come anywhere near that. Other than that, it's a great video for sure with more interesting content on your channel!
@daveisasdavedoes3558
Ай бұрын
so the newest most expensive car currently available is the best... An excellent video as always but I kind of think you've missed an opportunity to explore the impact that the aftermarket has made to the E60. Manual swaps are no available, carbon plenums, Bilstein EDC coilovers / dampers to address all the short comings of the E60. Also, the S63 engine has been plagued with reliability issues, far more so than the unreliable S85.
@dougie8010
17 күн бұрын
3:25 yes, it is quite similar to a traditional manual transmission...hence the name 'Sequential Manual Gearbox - SMG'. TREAT IT LIKE A MOTORBIKE, like you say, just lighten the throttle ever so slightly when shifting up.
@monstermax22
20 күн бұрын
For me, it will be the E39, followed by the E60. I’ve fallen out of love with more recent M5s, so my car of choice is another E, my E63S (2018, pre-facelift). Might not be a popular opinion here (sorry) but it’s lively, playful, characterful and sounds fantastic - having owned it from new, its the longest I've had a car for all these reasons. What I always wanted an M5 to be, without the daft price tag of the CS - which is still gorgeous. Waiting to try the G90, though…..
@tepes141
Ай бұрын
Ffw 25 years later and F90 CS will remain the benchmark. The new model was pushed to a different root that will never reach the excitement of the F90 CS 🙆♂️
@vz6235
15 күн бұрын
F10 best M5
@MrArt69
15 күн бұрын
The e34 and e60 are the most M like cars I terms of engine. The rest is just made more for confort and daily use. Main reason the E39 is so loved it's because it's more of a normal car.
@MuitoDaora
29 күн бұрын
Can someone shoehorn the V10 into the E39 an create the ultimate version?
@Amu_Hlayisi
25 күн бұрын
Heaven 😢
@kevmagill5163
29 күн бұрын
I haven't driven the newer M5cs, probably would be my pick as well if I ever was lucky enough. But I was lucky enough to daily the E39 M5. It was my dream car and it always will be connected to fun and happiness. Hard to believe I switched to the Audi TT Quattro when my lease was over, which was because of the styling and 4 wheel drive at the time. Great input on all these lovelies. Sure wish that V10 M was less troublesome, it could've been a top 5 of all time. ✌️
@cornishrider
17 күн бұрын
IMO with these latter three M5's I'd go for the Alpina alternative
@Tiger-pu4oz
29 күн бұрын
For me the E39 & E60 M5s were my favorite. Especially, E60 M5 with its beautiful sounding V10 with sky high rpm’s. Wish the engine was more reliable though. And a good exhaust system can do wonders for the M5 V10. BMW was too conservative with the exhaust from factory. And F90 was widely praised only in its CS form. One can only imagine what an E60 M5 CS would have been! It would be wild! But aftermarket created some amazing E60 M5 V10s with modified engines & suspensions too. E39 M5 & E60 were good in their regular versions. It wasn’t reserved for super special limited versions.
@angi733
25 күн бұрын
The F90 CS is limited number unobtanium. Surely a standard or comp F90 should be used?
@davidjames3330
22 күн бұрын
Exactly. There was immediate dismissiveness toward the Comp toward the end, which was both unsubstantiated and unwarranted. The Comp is itself dynamically brilliant; yes, the M-Division threw everything at the CS, but it's compromised in terms of your own ability to actually get anywhere near the point in daily driving where it starts to set itself apart (unless you're chasing track times or have an nice twisty mountainside road nearby, like the one in the video). Also, the Comps sound better, as the CS is weathering stricter EU sound regs.
@waquarahmad9447
20 күн бұрын
For a moment I thought he would choose the F10 and I was going to lose my mind
@vz6235
15 күн бұрын
F10 is phenomenal
@guinnessharvey4476
29 күн бұрын
To be fair, that’s just good soundproofing. It’s still a luxury saloon and the engineers were told “our buyers do t want an F1 sound when driving every day”
@slamtailsuspension1933
Ай бұрын
Great comparison! I own an E34M53.8 and 2 B10 Biturbos. Could you possibly do a test on the Alpina B10 Biturbo? There is NO ONE out there that has done such!!
@richardvand.3925
26 күн бұрын
I’d like that too. Love my E34 B10 (3.5 so not a Biturbo) more than my G31 B5. It just is the best looking 5-series and the most fun to drive
@slamtailsuspension1933
24 күн бұрын
@@richardvand.3925 I've got 2.. :)
@KurtV8
13 күн бұрын
Great pair of videos. It would have been better to compare the stock F10 and F90 cars with the rest. The letter especially is M5 in name only. Having owned 4 iterations over the years, the every day useability is crucial and was underplayed in this test. There are better drivers cars out there - the M5 has to balance the needs of the driver with the needs of the passengers. Judging them on that balance would have been better.
@tim1king
18 күн бұрын
M5 CS is just the best all-rounder
@jogrobler
28 күн бұрын
Yeah well reasoned but the E60 is the only one I'm actively browsing for on carsales. I want that V10!
@shaafdiesel
Ай бұрын
The F10 M5 with a 6 speed feels quite different than one with an automatic. I wish more reviewers had access to one, as they’re incredibly fun to drive!
@hassanabed2480
Ай бұрын
Totally agree, i got a ‘16 ultimate pkg 6MT in frozen white, such a gem
@alexblackburn9771
29 күн бұрын
I imagine they are pretty fun. To be fair though, the DCT in the F10 is a strong point for the car, not a weak one - it's the best auto gearbox in any M car and is known for being near Porsche PDK level. The complaints have never been about the gearbox, or the engine for that matter (reliability aside), but about the chassis dynamics. What's unfortunate is that the F10 Comp Pack wasn't the standard when the car was released - if it was, I suspect the criticism of the F10 would be much less.
@mryouknooow
27 күн бұрын
Although the F09 was a 30th Anniversary Edition, those performance bits were readily available for M5s. Also, throw in the M-Performance exhaust and boom, the sound is naturally amazing and theres always the M6 GC for added character 😂.
@johnhillon7060
26 күн бұрын
Absolutely great pair of videos, but objectively it is a real shame that there are 2 special editions in the mix - the standard cars would provide a better comparison IMO. Still appreciate the effort put in to create really interesting comparisons.
@Orge77
Ай бұрын
Agree with some other commenters that it’s a little unfair to compare base models with a much more expensive and limited edition model. I’m sure the CS is fantastic and the most driver focussed M5 but didn’t the reviewers also say they wanted every day usability? As an M6 GC competition owner, my experience is that the modern comp spec cars strike a great balance between drivers car and daily driver. That said, I think the E34 would be my favourite. I’ve never driven one but I drove my dad’s 535 sport back in the day and that generation of BMW holds fond memories for me - it’s probably the main reason I now own an M6. I also think the power level, weight and performance on offer in a classic car is probably spot on for spirited road driving.
@mirkosphotographer
26 күн бұрын
V10, V12-w12, N/A, the end!
@torbenanschau6641
21 күн бұрын
You've missed very important aspects in that Comparison: Reliabilty and complexity. In that regard, the E60 is the absolute downer. But also the newer ones create loads of headaches, especially for their electronics. E34 and E28 tend to rust but most things are repairable quite easily. E39 probably is the best when it comes to dailyness including the repairstuff.
@sadmirtete9283
24 күн бұрын
F90 as the last M5... Today we have that Bavarian anvil, M5thousand pounds...
@og5918
29 күн бұрын
F10 sounds pretty good to be fair. But the dream would be to daily that F90 CS - what a machine 😍
@noobasdfjkl
19 күн бұрын
F90 is just another super heavy AWD sensory deprivation chamber. If I just wanted to go fast without feeling anything, I’d get a Mercedes or an Audi. F90 CS are absurdly expensive anyways. The F10 is the last M5 I’d consider (3 pedals of course), but the E34 is the one I’d have. E34>E28>E60>E39>F10>F90
@JerainJezza
14 күн бұрын
I own one and the F90 is a lot more nimble than the F10 and lighter too (1800kg empty). You can put it in RWD mode whole day, but when it's damp the 4WD traction at red lights is amazing and in the F10 you would stand still. Manual M5 for everday you would only want 5% of the time. Everything before the F10 is slow AF nowadays.
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