To be clear, the CEL only came on while idling for a few min. After I cleared the code I drove home with no CEL or other noticeable issues except a slightly touchy idle.
@johnconnor7501
7 жыл бұрын
Zygrene that happen to me once when I was learning to drive stick. It started making a knock sound when I got home. I checked oil and was glittery gray. Worst feeling ever, and that's how I got an f22 on my ap1.
@ethownzbh
7 жыл бұрын
Reassuring words lol
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Brb crying
@ayowser01
7 жыл бұрын
"...and that's the story of how my ap1 became an ap2." 😅
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Honestly an AP2 motor/tranny would be a nice upgrade, but not sure if I can justify the cost.
@brandonporambo
7 жыл бұрын
You might want to check if you cracked any valve retainers and soon. Replacing them with ap2 retainers is a good insurance policy. I have a set that I need to put on my S2k.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
The head was rebuilt in 2015 with upgraded valve train. Might just have to rebuild it again.
@TheChannel1978
7 жыл бұрын
Also should check the oil pan for any material and have an oil analysis done. Personally I would not get it rebuilt unless you are sure it will detonate soon. Bad rebuilds are going to blow up within 12mths, so you don't want to change a still working Honda engine to a crappy rebuilt one.
@slushpuppyrf
7 жыл бұрын
Set valve clearance while you are there too. If valve retainers look good, I wouldn't worry about much.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah a buddy did the same exact "money shift" on his AP2 and got the same "system too rich" code. After he did a valve adjustment it ran just fine with good compression. That would be best case scenario.
@slushpuppyrf
7 жыл бұрын
ap2 has a little more protection against a miss shift. Heavier flywheel + CDV so it gives you some time to realize "oh shit i need to clutch"
@Mrlolibre
7 жыл бұрын
There still maybe hope that the motor is fine. I remember my RSX-S K20 motor was overrvved twice (once by me and the other by my cousin) and the luckily the motor gave me no issues and was healthy til I sold it at around 170k miles. I remember the CEL light flashes a few times and went away after the missshift. Honda motors are pretty stout, so I hope your motor is fine.
@JMatt1
7 жыл бұрын
Mrlolibre I over revved my rsx once, nothing too crazy, it might have hit 9000 or slightly over, but considering the jdm k20 revs to 9k anyways and my reflash let it rev to 8600, I doubt it hurt anything, never had an issue not even a cel.
@seanpittacora9668
7 жыл бұрын
Some relief for me I guess. Ironically I just bought an 02 RSX Type S with 170k on it. The K20 seems to be a really solid motor so it doesn't surprise me yours was fine after this.
@ewcm1878
3 жыл бұрын
@sean it's a solid motor but it doesn't mean you can overrev it 1500 rpm more. The guy that overrevved to 9000 got lucky that's why his motor runs fine. Most overrev is not 1000 rpm difference.
@apolloandratti7922
7 жыл бұрын
You will need to check for cracked valve retainers ASAP since this was a mechanical over-rev with a AP1. One should check for cracked valve retainers anyway with any purchase of a used AP1, since it could happen at any mileage . Check to see if the engine already has AP2 retainers.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Ballade upgraded the retainers and valves a couple years ago. Are there any concerns with doing a second rebuild of the same head?
@apolloandratti7922
7 жыл бұрын
Unsure, you could message Billman250 at s2ki. If you have a AP2 retainers, you may be OK.
@oscartirado8146
7 жыл бұрын
Zygrene I did this to my ap2 & I was fine. if ballade replaced your retainers, you're probably fine, but it definitely wouldn't hurt to check.
@JH-tj5kp
7 жыл бұрын
E36 M3 have this problem where the transmission will twist during acceleration from torque because the transmission mount/shifter bushings are soft and floppy, gets worse with age, and then on shift from 3->4 the 4th gear gate isn't where expected and you can end up in 2nd quiet easily. There are aftermarket shifter/mount upgrades that help prevent this. I am not sure if this is a problem with S2000, but I would look into ensuring the shifter linkage/bushings are all up to snuff.
@humbucker87
7 жыл бұрын
I also did this in one my of my old cars on the exact same situation...long sweeping right hander and I put it from 3rd to 2nd. Thankfully the car was ok. You need to 100% relearn how to shift, just like I did. When you're on the street start backhanding 3rd to 4th (palm away from you). It will prevent this from happening on track ever again. But hey stuff happens, don't sweat it too hard!
@ayowser01
7 жыл бұрын
humbucker87 I never really give my shifting technique much thought, but you're right, I do shift from 3rd>4th and 5th>6th using a backhand motion. It does help.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
You're right! I often teach people to "backhand" shift 3 to 4 and 5 to 6, but I don't always practice what I preach. :)
@humbucker87
7 жыл бұрын
Yep! I had to do it many many times before it became natural. My overrev was actually in an AP2 so my only saving grace was that it probably went from ~7500 to ~9200. Glad the engine didn't grenade itself!
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
How did you know it over revved to 9200? I wish I had been data logging via OBD2
@humbucker87
7 жыл бұрын
I was logging data at the time, but didn't get video unfortunately :(. Like yours my rear tires broke loose which is a very good thing. I figure the tires breaking loose saved me about 1,000 to 1,200 rpms. You can use a gear ratio calculator to figure out exactly what the equivalent rpm is, but thanks to engine braking and the tires braking loose it's not usually as high as the calculated number. I think in your case, making a plan to swap out to AP2 retainers isn't the worst idea.
@yitznewton
7 жыл бұрын
I recently got a new shift knob and have been missing some 3-4 shifts also, but on the street. Hoping to get to the track next month, I'm going to have to be extra careful! Good luck with the recovery.
@zeppelin926
7 жыл бұрын
Pull the valve cover and check the lash that will show any bent valve.
@brandonporambo
7 жыл бұрын
Dude I know how fucking scary those dust clouds are to go through and in my case I didn't care about the car and I had a roll cage. There is nothing so suddenly blinding that I've encountered like those dust clouds in all the time I've been driving. You are the most reliable witness to what was going on in your noggin at the time so I'm going to have to go with you on blaming the cloud. Definitely appreciate your luck. Take a bit to check for damage. A good long time to ponder on what was going on in and how you can recover better situational awareness after that type of event might be in order too.
@Balo657
7 жыл бұрын
Dam that sucks! I would probably pull out the spark plugs and use a borescope to look inside the cylinders, or take off the valve covers and look at the springs and retainers to see if they are out of adjustment. Also try a compression test and probably last is too pull the heads out if you need a rebuild or new engine.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
The head has already been rebuilt once a couple of years ago by Ballade, with upgraded valve train. Would it be worth it to rebuild it again?
@Balo657
7 жыл бұрын
You can always ask ballade how much strain or I guess how high rpm can the heads handle. Check the valve clearance to see if it came out of specification.
@athfdrizzle
7 жыл бұрын
hope it all ends well man. them "money maker" shifts are brutal
@sparkys2k
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was intense! I did something similar once - luckily it was the first session, on cold tires and in the rain. It caught me off guard, and I was sketched out by the concrete walls on both sides. ZING + torque steer -> clutch in, oversteer, steering corrections & brakes, partial clutch out helps correct the oversteer, but overrev status approaches again, so clutch back in, oversteer... what wave to ride! Fortunately there was no contact and nothing got hurt mechanically. That was on the 2004 AP2 motor that replaced the original 2003 AP1, which actually got ruined via oil starvation on my 8th track day... another story, LOL
@jamesoconnell5974
7 жыл бұрын
Well hopefully u got away with one! Cause the infamous "money shift" usually breaks something. I would pull the head and look around at the valves and retainers. But hopefully 🙏 u got lucky! And all turns out ok.
@Cricis11700
7 жыл бұрын
Engine rebuild I'd say, just to be on the safe side, or take a look at what you could of damaged and any delicate components that would be effected, and freshen them up.
@thatcarguysam3816
6 жыл бұрын
Rear tires locked and didnt crash. God job.
@nikolabegonja5490
7 жыл бұрын
I estimate it to have been 11000 rpm max based on other people revving their b series to 10k. F20's are a different story, but it was only for a short while. Just check the valvetrain and oil.
@DIYGuysvideo
7 жыл бұрын
I would run it until the codes come back. When the codes come back I would rebuild or replace the head. Bottom end should be fine. Most likely piston to valve contact due to valve float. I have a spare AP1 motor completely parted out if you just want the bare head with valves and AP2 intake retainers.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm going to daily it for a couple weeks. Drove it to work today with no issues. Will do a compression/leakdown when I have time, then maybe do a valve adjustment. My friend did the same missed shift on his AP2 and got the same error codes. Valve adjustment fixed it for him.
@DIYGuysvideo
7 жыл бұрын
That is definitely a good idea to daily drive it. See if it acts funny and throws a misfire code, don't overthink it too much and jump the gun on replacing the block ha. I am in the process of finally editing my valve adjustment video :)
@slowvag8v
7 жыл бұрын
Do an oil analysis and oil change
@power_of_r6033
7 жыл бұрын
well, at least it didnt blow up like wakisaka in the j's racing s2k. misshifts can be dangerous both to the engine/transmission and the car due to the following drivetrain shock that unsettles the car potentially leading to a loss of control; luckily for you it wasnt so bad and at least you're out there trying to improve. keep it up👍
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
I literally just watched that video a few days ago. Does this basically mean I'm Wakisaka?
@cantcurecancer
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the infamous "money shift". I did the same thing a month ago on my WRX hatch, from the top of 3rd to 2nd!! It drove home fine, but the next day it started stalling when it came to a stop. Sent it to the dealer and it's going to cost me thousands, though Subaru will split it with me.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Yikes. If only Honda was willing to split an AP2 swap with me :)
@ChuddleBuggy
3 жыл бұрын
There should be a feature that gives the option to lock out gears at certain rpms.
@traxnada
7 жыл бұрын
Same thing happened to me in a track rental Suzuki Swift around the Nürburgring. Luckily, reacted faster than you did and pressed the clutch before it over revved... unfortunately this stuff can happen. Maybe installing a "long shifter" if that even exist, would prevent it from ever happening again :)
@MastRk
7 жыл бұрын
I've done that in my S2K but not as bad... I mistake 4th for 2nd and will downshift to 3rd around 45 mph that's some scary stuff. .. get the engine checked before you damage it worse.
@FlyinGato
7 жыл бұрын
Probably have cracked valve retainers, should definitely check them out.
@RedOnRecRoom
2 жыл бұрын
Your valve terrain is slightly touchy due to over revving damage. You might need it rebuilt
@BossItUp911
9 ай бұрын
wadded those things
@ruigoncalves2
7 жыл бұрын
A similar situation happened to me in a trackday, made the mistake to downshift from 4th to 3rd too soon and the miata engine (7200 redline) spiked to over 8500... -.-' Didn't do anything to the engine.
@MrAntimationStudios
7 жыл бұрын
I'm selling a DOCH Ferrari V12 (From a 400i) with a full set of custom headers and trumpet intakes, it would be right at home in the S2000!
@user-on3sk3xo6o
2 жыл бұрын
What happened to the motor??? Is ok?
@MateosFiestaST
7 жыл бұрын
0:23 that sound :(
@mehftv
7 жыл бұрын
My prelude's second gear synchro is too worn to do this lol
@imptuner
7 жыл бұрын
How's the motor? any updates?
@iversonlkrs
7 жыл бұрын
just do a valve adjustment and check for any cracks. no need for a another rebuild.
@alexlai2580
7 жыл бұрын
From older videos, there have been other occasions where you've mis-shifter. Is there something wrong with your clutch or mc/slave? Curious if that's the problem. This, along with your twitchy rear suspension is why I won't buy modded cars, unless you know the person and can follow their process.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Clutch feels fine but I'm not yet totally convinced the pop-outs are due to the transmission. I might just need to have a firmer grip on the shifter when downshifting to 2nd.
@alexlai2580
7 жыл бұрын
Did you ever try running Amsoil, or GM Synchomesh? My AP2 use to pop out of gear, ever since changing the MTF hasn't happened since.
@js2000honda
7 жыл бұрын
On the bright side, this wasn't in the NA1
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
So true! I don't think I've ever miss shifted in the NA1. Much harder to do in that car.
@WTFNoNamesLeft2
7 жыл бұрын
Surprised it didn't break something immediately. K24? :D
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Too expensive!
@avo420turbo
7 жыл бұрын
Clear the codes and sell it on ebay like everyone else..
@WeJustDrive
7 жыл бұрын
Holy shit this made me cringe, the stuff nightmares are made of. Hope it's all good
@chh7681
7 жыл бұрын
...fuckkkkkk that sucks :(
@doctorferdinand1003
7 жыл бұрын
That was hard to watch.This sucks. I'd get rid of that big shift knob, a smaller knob gives you a lot more precision
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
You're right, a smaller and lighter knob would give me a better sense of what gear I'm in.
@doctorferdinand1003
7 жыл бұрын
Zygrene I've been using an fd2 type r knob for a while now and really love it. But I've heard of f20s surviving over revs like this. Hopefully the motor is a fighter
@ArtVandelayOfficial
7 жыл бұрын
If you prefer the hand feel of a big knob but want lighter then try duracon
@joshuarivera7630
5 жыл бұрын
12,000 RPM!!!
@1fat66
7 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you haven't done much damage
@NbaMed
7 жыл бұрын
I did this in my Z32 by accident... Car was fine for about a week and through an autocross, but once the car sat after the autocross I started the car up and it was ticking with zero oil pressure. Found out later I had cracked the gears on the oil pump and the engine was starving :(
@cantcurecancer
7 жыл бұрын
So how do you avoid one of these miss-shift accidents??
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Besides being careful, you can't really avoid these things. That's why they're accidents. Maybe a smaller shift knob and a bucket seat would have helped.
@ethownzbh
7 жыл бұрын
Sometimes that stuff just happens. Shifting from 3rd to 4th and 5th to 6th, though, I'd recommend shifting back handed. I don't know if that's the right terminology for it though lol
@dreamdrivedrift
7 жыл бұрын
You can prevent it by backhanding 2nd to 3rd, and 3rd to 4th: www.shortshifter.com/techniques2.htm Sorry to see this -- happens to the best of us
@cashivan
7 жыл бұрын
dreamdrivedrift that's funny, that method you linked happened to me naturally, but not the complete method, only the 3, 5, 6 gear changes...that's for sharing this with us...I will also be sharing this with my friends #savethetrannys
@MrAntimationStudios
7 жыл бұрын
It's weird, my transmission locks me out of any gear that's too low, I thought that was normal?
@DMN3901
7 жыл бұрын
Nah, the reason was the right corner.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the lateral g's pulled my entire body to the left so my arm naturally followed.
@DMN3901
7 жыл бұрын
Definitely a factor anyway, as weird as it sounds.
@willix231
7 жыл бұрын
I get the same problem shifting because I'm too skinny for s2000 seats. By a cglock. It will help hold your lower body in place atleast allowing better shifting and pedal work
@alexlai2580
7 жыл бұрын
Maybe also look into Modifry's seat belt lock.
@byongsunn3345
7 жыл бұрын
Holy fukn shit man. Thtll ruin a good day
@mann_idonotreadreplies
2 жыл бұрын
Get an auto swap. You will never have problems.
@slowvag8v
7 жыл бұрын
Theorically it hit 11737 rpm
@kevinhawley3303
4 жыл бұрын
too rich mean not enough air and to much fuel ...... 2nd if after that happen with the over rev and the car still starts and drive.... then id say u got hella lucky
@Carl_JohnsonOGF
7 жыл бұрын
3rd to 2nd*
@TheBb6prelude
7 жыл бұрын
need a tune with a rev limiter.
@ethownzbh
7 жыл бұрын
preludeF20Bking Rev limiters can't prevent this sort of over revving.
@TheBb6prelude
7 жыл бұрын
Ethanmeister it will prevent it from going to 9.5k that it will do.
@TheBb6prelude
7 жыл бұрын
Ethanmeister it will only rev too where the limiter is at.
@ethownzbh
7 жыл бұрын
preludeF20Bking Rev limiters work by cutting fuel to prevent the engine over revving under load but this overreving was from the gear the car shifted into being too low for the wheel and engine speed. If you bounce off the rev limiter in second and at the same speed jam it into first your engine will over rev and cutting fuel can't do anything to prevent that. It's a mechanical over rev, I guess it's called.
@kjwong4730
7 жыл бұрын
Rebuild the motor
@danielquach7924
7 жыл бұрын
I cringed so hard D;
@Vaft91
7 жыл бұрын
Sell it and import something fun ;)
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
Who the hell's gonna buy it now that OVER 9000 is on the internet? :)
@Vaft91
7 жыл бұрын
honda kids... they think its normal
@kevinj9315
7 жыл бұрын
Vaft91 LOL
@Vaft91
7 жыл бұрын
;) you know what i mean
@splice247
7 жыл бұрын
first the nsx now this, please stop ruining nice cars
@johnconnor7501
7 жыл бұрын
splice247 that's what they are for. At least he doesn't keep them garaged forever. His cars have adventures and when he fucks up I enjoy making fun of him and helping out.
@Zygrene
7 жыл бұрын
@John Connor Exactly. Sports cars should never be garage queens IMO. Thank you for making fun of me and helping at the same time. :)
@ayowser01
7 жыл бұрын
I missed out on what happened to the nsx. Anyone care to fill me in?
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