Great scene - it's worth pointing out that earlier in the episode Toby lost a bet with Josh and so had to introduce himself to everyone he met with the words "I'm Toby Ziegler, I work at the White House". Josh's gesture was telling him that it was the end of a long day and he didn't have to do it with this guy.
@Tuneman1984
8 жыл бұрын
True - and also most people responded with contempt to Toby so Josh I think didn't want to ruin a good moment or make Toby look elitest to the other man, but Toby knew how to respond and that it was the right thing to do.
@India.H
7 жыл бұрын
MALCOLM MAIR Ah, was that what it was? I thought it was just Josh saying "no, it's been a long day. Let's not start risking making people promises on behalf of the President." sorry haven't watched WW in ages
@yeahbee8237
6 жыл бұрын
think it was that to
@matth1589
6 жыл бұрын
+ Indi Heaton - Josh and Toby are close. They fight and they don't always get along but they are much more than colleagues. I always thought that they act more like brothers than friends. I think that Josh gives the signal to Toby because the joke has stopped being funny. He doesn't want to embarrass Toby and he is sensitive enough to think that the conversation and the situation to know that this isn't something that should get dragged into their "in-joke". He's had his fun with Toby and the guy at the bar is someone Josh has sympathy for and wants to help and knows that he can't. Toby recognises that feeling of sadness in Josh and does the politically unwise course of action, he takes a risk. He also immediately brings Josh into the conversation because he knows it's one Josh wants to be part of, but would never let himself have.
@SonOfGod3000
Жыл бұрын
It’s also the first time of the day saying they worked at the White House meant anything. And it was very empowering to say not in a braggadocio way.
@TheAudioman15
7 жыл бұрын
What phenomenal writing. And what a great performance by the guy at the bar. This show will remain the greatest show on television ever for me.
@gheller2261
Ай бұрын
Not really. It's a lovely scene and this guy was terrific, but none of the dialogue rings true at all. Nobody is going to tell a stranger how much he earns. This was just classic West Wing - choose an issue and conjure an excuse and scenario to express it.
@jamiestewart48
22 күн бұрын
@@gheller2261 The guy was absolutely right though. It should be a hard thing to send your kids to college, but it's something that you should enjoy doing for your children and it feels like an accomplishment, but when he's on 55k and his wife 25k it shouldn't be quite THIS hard, if it was just a tiny bit easier it would make all the difference. Plus you can easily read in this guy is an outstanding Father. His daughter who is impressive enough to go to Notre Dame and WANTS to go there and is so excited seeing it won't sleep! His son who he can't get off the piano, that is a Father who has raised incredible kids from the quick once over we get; and he should be able to work hard and give them everything that he can.
@paulcambell4826
8 жыл бұрын
very fine performance by the man at the bar..extremely natural
@robbkinnin1988
8 ай бұрын
Every time I watch the scene I cry. There are so many parents in the world who want to give their children the best education and yet it is so difficult to accomplish. This scene should an eye opener to many.
@hexistenz
9 ай бұрын
In a show that’s filled to the brim with absolute gems, this scene, this whole 2-part episode in fact, is as close to perfection as I’ve had the privilege of watching. All of it, every single aspect of it. The scene itself is great, but you have to have watched the whole 2 episodes to experience how utterly amazing the storytelling, the acting, the writing, everything, is. I know I’m just repeating what thousands of TWW connoisseurs & aficionados have written over the last 20 years, but I’m gonna do it anyway: Aaron Sorkin is a genius.
@randythetool
7 жыл бұрын
It should be hard, I like that it's hard. But it should be a little easier. Just a little easier.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Ай бұрын
I've never heard an even half-decent explanation as to why "it should be hard". Why would anyone like that it's hard _to provide their children with a good education?_ When it's hard, that means that some *_parents_* won't be able to do it, no matter how well their children would do.
@sly8926
Ай бұрын
@@Wolf-ln1mlBecause nothing that comes easy in life is worth while. Ever. The only things with value are those which you have to work for. If we could send everyone to college, a degree loses its value. It should be hard.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Ай бұрын
@@sly8926 _"Because nothing that comes easy in life is worth while. Ever."_ You got baby milk for months without any effort on your part whatsoever, completely for free. You'd have died without it. So if that was completely worthless to you, your life is completely worthless to you. It's a very basic logic syllogism. ...or could it be that your claim is just utter bullshit in _some_ cases?
@jamiestewart48
22 күн бұрын
@@Wolf-ln1ml Because it's your job as a Father to work hard/well in order to provide for your family, and if you've raised a kid who's bright and good enough to get into Notre Dame then you'd damn well work every hour God gives to get her there.
@angelicalicari8355
21 күн бұрын
@@sly8926 I degree isn't supposed to be monetarily valuable, it's supposed to produce professionals to populate our society. We are literally accepting a system where some people who might make great contributions to our society will never have the chance because of money. Tell me, Sly, would you rather be treated by a doctor who would afford college, or a doctor who grew up poor but is extremely passionate about your health? College should be hard in the sense that a student can't graduate if they don't do the work, not in the sense that people have to go into debt to afford it. Degrees get their value from the work students put in to earn them, not from the money daddy paid to the school.
@ufotofu9
7 жыл бұрын
I admire Toby's restrained in not walking away once the guy got to speaking for 30 seconds without taking the obvious hint that he wasn't in the mood for talking.
@Legba85
7 жыл бұрын
Geoffrey Zoref it left an impression and a purpose for Toby.
@EmilioReyes_97
Жыл бұрын
"Just a little easier" That's it....that's all an American wants, we don't things handed to us....we just want things a little easier. The hardness is what reminds us that what we should be doing is worth it...but it shouldn't be so hard that it's impossible. Just a little easier
@Wolf-ln1ml
Ай бұрын
But it's not *_the parent_* who would "get things handed to them" in cases like this, is it? It's the _children_ - and some children _do_ just get their education handed to them by their rich parents, so why is it "good" when others don't?
@rcslyman8929
Ай бұрын
@@Wolf-ln1ml 1) That's not what he said. 2) Because the ones who get their educations handed to them would do so anyway, even without things being made just a little easier. Making it "a little easier" benefits the working class, not the elite. The elite will do just fine on their own.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Ай бұрын
@@rcslyman8929 _"the ones who get their educations handed to them would do so anyway"_ Do what anyway? Get the education handed to them? (not sure I'd use the expression "do so anyway" for "getting something handed to them", but that may just be my non-native-speaker lack of understanding) If that's what you meant, then of course, but that's not my point. Look at the ones who don't just "get it handed to them" - it's not the parents who would benefit from education being just handed out (i.e. the entire society throwing together to provide a "free" education for everyone), it's the children. Well, okay, the parents would also benefit a bit since they'd obviously be able to spend that money otherwise, but that's the ones who _could_ afford to provide their children with a good education in the first place, any parent poorer than that wouldn't even have that benefit.
@hexistenz
3 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch a TWW scene like this one, it touches something deep inside me. Always has. I hope it always will. Somehow, Aaron Sorkin put his soul into this show. And it feels like an insult to call The West Wing a show. It actually is Art. It’s literature. What is it that touches me so deeply? In all those scenes, and a number of scenes in The Newsroom as well, they portray an ideal. The hope, the wish, the possibility that a group of exceptionally talented, committed, workaholic perfectionists with a deep, deep respect and love for humanity and government’s role as a force for good in society, can come together. That they work tirelessly to remake government into its ideal form. And of course, these people have ego’s. Everybody does. They can be petty, once in a while. They get angry, vindictive, self-righteous, stupid. There’s in-fighting. Of course. But there’s always someone to bring them back in. The President, very often. Or Donna. Or Leo, of course. Toby. Mrs. Landingham. It’s that laser focus on what’s important, on staying “on message”, to use a political term, that’s what makes this series so unique. That, and the exceptional writing, dialogue, acting, scenery, the amazing chemistry and interaction. The music. Somehow, it all came together. And for 4 glorious seasons, 4 glorious years, we all marveled at this wonder of human creativity and idealism. I’m sincerely grateful to all those involved in this series, for giving us, giving me, something to come back to when I sometimes falter. Like, for instance, the Trump years. Let’s hope that this was the worst it’ll get, and that 10 years from now, this comment won’t seem quaint and naive. That Trump is the worst it’s gotten.
@tomspettigue8791
6 ай бұрын
I wish I could say that it is. But it isn't. Trump was a symptom, not the disease. As long as he has supporters out there who want what they want, the dream of democracy, equality before the law, egalitarianism and freedom are at risk.
@sangeetdebuchya
8 жыл бұрын
I can watch this any number of times. As much as they have portrayed Toby as a very serious character, there are scenes which show his genuine concern for common people (e.g. Homeless Veteran episode). Incredibly done. He almost feels its his duty to tell that he works at White House this time. Equally well done by Matt.
@Tuneman1984
8 жыл бұрын
Love that episode too "Toby if we start pulling strings like this don't you think every homeless veteran is going to come out of the woodwork?" "I can only hope sir." Melts my heart every time.
@joe2401
7 жыл бұрын
Trump 2020!!! MAGA!!!!
@joe2401
7 жыл бұрын
Trump 2020!!! MAGA!!!!
@Legba85
5 жыл бұрын
Joe Foran fuck Trump.
@MatsThyWit
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidcarr5239 yeah. Richard Schiff said he hated that turn with the character. He felt Toby was a loyalist to the end and would never betray the president like that. He rationalized it to himself that he was lying to protect someone else. Frankly I always felt you could tell in the performance Schiff gave that Toby was lying.
@alexvaughan2679
11 ай бұрын
An incredibly heartwarming scene, immediately after watching this scene I have to go watch the end scene of S4 E3 where Toby rings Matt to tell him what they’re working on. The two scenes for some reason give me hope that a single individual can have such a great influence on the governance of a country and influence to create policy that will positively impact millions in the long run. To me, this show will always give me hope that government will always lean to the average joes like us to make the world great
@KasbashPlays
8 ай бұрын
TWW was derided by many for being too idealistic and that “no government will ever be this way”. That is the entire point of the show. To weave this tale of government officers working at the White House who demonstrate just how a country can be run effectively, taking sound advice from all sides and “doing the right thing” as it were.
@PaulInPorirua
6 жыл бұрын
One of the things I love most about this scene is that neither Toby (initially) or Josh want to have this conversation. Watch Toby order the JD in an "anything but this" kind of way, and, of course, Josh signalling that he should abandon their bet over Toby needing to introduce himself as "Toby Ziegler, I work at the White House". But the guy's story resonates with Toby, and you watch on Richard's face as the mood gradually swings around. Great writing; perfect acting.
@jasonh6563
Жыл бұрын
I love how on a later episode Toby calls the guy and tells him their idea.
@googoo-gjoob
8 ай бұрын
The *GREATEST* show in the _HISTORY_ of television.
@shellturtleguy
7 жыл бұрын
This scene was fantastic. I love Toby so much.
@georgewashington1106
8 ай бұрын
I so miss this show. Or for that matter, anything Aaron Sorkin had a part in....Sports Night, Studio 60, The Newsroom. Most of them end too soon. American audiences can't generally handle great writing with depth of thought
@simonfeet1
8 ай бұрын
Wonderful scene,like so many in West Wing. Just about to watch the last episode of last series for the 5th time. Just never tire of watching it!
@gypsyknight9564
8 ай бұрын
This scene always touches me with optimism. A middles class guy struggling to put his daughter through a great university. Wondering how he's going to tell her that she can't go because he can't afford the tuition. Then.......at the bar, lost in his thoughts......he meets two men, two very important men in the White House who have an idea as to how they can makes things "just a little bit easier" for him to put his daughter through that great university. Only in America can something like that happen.
@jbuster9
7 ай бұрын
Why only in America?
@SWOBIZ
7 ай бұрын
I blame the colleges for overcharging.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Ай бұрын
Yeah, because only US Americans are stupid enough to go along with the "it's good when it's hard" propaganda. It's not the *_parents_* who are suffering (most) from the fact that it's hard, it's the _children_ (who had zero choice in whether to be born to rich or poor parents) - except for the children of rich parents of course since it's easy for those parents, not hard. Seriously, you need to get your head out of that "USSR=red=communism=socialism=my tax money supports the lazy=evil" propaganda bullshit.
@gusthreshold2155
6 күн бұрын
Happened only in TV ... Keep dreaming man.
@josephgutierrez9036
7 ай бұрын
I've watched this show so many times and JUST realized they are playing 'The Wanderer' in the background 😂 Well played Sorkin, well played.
@AZdoberwoman
9 жыл бұрын
No other comments?? One of my favorite scenes, from one of my favorite episodes.
@TravellingGull
3 күн бұрын
Just one more brilliant scene from one of the best dramas of the modern era. Nothing dramatic, just two guys discussing real life problems, but it captivates the audience because it could apply to almost anyone watching in America at the time
@PeterTeehan
8 ай бұрын
Communication is a lost art in today's society. No one just talks anymore. Life is moving too fast. If we all take a moment and talk to your neighbor, your co-worker or a stranger - you'll realize you are not alone. We all similar have problems.
@johnceragioli9671
6 жыл бұрын
My favorite West Wing moment!
@pcbacklash_3261
10 күн бұрын
This is the sort of writing I loved in "The West Wing," as opposed to the frenetic chats walking down the hallways, where everyone has a clever quip and super-quick comebacks. Most people -- even smart and talented people -- aren't that quick on their feet, and it ALWAYS felt contrived and scripted. But this scene is gold!
@nakedfaves
8 жыл бұрын
MY favorite episode ever...........................
@BlackBarney
7 жыл бұрын
wow, i really needed to see that today. Thanks :)
@PHOTOGRAPHYBYDEREK1
6 жыл бұрын
That guy is a good actor.
@michaelhayden725
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully Toby remembers this conversation when he takes Molly and Huck to college.
@hughdman
8 ай бұрын
It's one of my favorite scenes from my favorite show. I relate to all if them.
@BradFalck-mn3pc
8 ай бұрын
I'm lying on my bed after a long exhausting week in 2023 and sadly nothing has changed substantially since this was filmed 20 years ago, I need it to be easier aswell, especially when my wages are still in the 1990s
@stevepipenger4651
Жыл бұрын
That guy is a great actor. I wonder if he was ever in anything else. Absolutely completely believable.
@SoFloCo-ne4rk
8 ай бұрын
John P. Connolly
@steveb552
5 жыл бұрын
The George Costanza arm raise at the end.
@pauldockree9915
8 ай бұрын
Lovely Scene. Never gonna happen. Movement. I mean. MeanTime is so appropriate a phrase.
@tbranch227
7 ай бұрын
Man, they wrecked the Toby character. Those early seasons Toby was amazing!
@zbetz
8 жыл бұрын
This guy gives them the idea to make tuition tax deductible.
@emameyer
8 жыл бұрын
+Zach Betz it is in most civilized countries...
@tallboy12
9 жыл бұрын
Toby orders a JD & Ice - why then does he get a very small measure of JD & Coke?
@reginaldshort8486
Жыл бұрын
TWW didn’t have too many scenes where the staff talk to blue collar citizens. Charlie comes up with a good idea for more teachers in a later episode. My idea was a Teacher’s aide bill. College grads and undergrads working no more than 30 hours a week as aides in classes with 25 or more students making $.50 more/hr than the fed min wage. Even high school students could participate for summer school programs for grade school kids. Fed pays 90%, State pays 8% & Local pays 2%. Schools participating gets $2k for each student employed and $4k for students rehired. In 2000 that would’ve been 1 million students employed making $5.65 an hour with additional cost would’ve been $10B
@sherryillk
8 ай бұрын
What you described is a bit like the America Reads/Counts program that had college students do their work study by helping kids in their classrooms. Back in the early 2000s, I was able to make a bit more than minimum wage doing just this in my undergrad.
@reginaldshort8486
8 ай бұрын
@@sherryillk did it help you more than a typical job like working at a fast food place? Also we’re there ppl who went into teaching because of that program?
@blackspider1405
2 ай бұрын
This scene is what separates the West Wing from damn near everything else. It's damn near perfect.
@victorwadsworth821
8 ай бұрын
Parents should be able to provide the education children need & want.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Ай бұрын
Not the parents - society. When you put that on the parents, it just means that some *_will_* fail, which means that some children won't get even a chance at that education.
@victorwadsworth821
Ай бұрын
@@Wolf-ln1ml Who is putting down the parents, parents live in poor neighborhoods, are you saying children should get poor education. you must not be in favor of the PTA.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Ай бұрын
@@victorwadsworth821 No, I'm saying that the parents financial (let alone social) status (as well as _their_ education) should not matter one bit when it comes to children's education. It shouldn't be the responsibility of parents to pay for/organize/... that education, it should be responsibility of the society at large, in order to minimize the effect that the financial ~/social status/education of the parents have on the chances of the children.
@yeahbee8237
6 жыл бұрын
chills when I watch this scene Can any american tell me if collage funds are tax exempt or deductible? you are basically paying for something that the state handles in pretty much any other western nation and what about public collages? how is the ratio vs private tutition collages? are there public collages for everything? like can you go to public med-school?
@rcslyman8929
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah Bee Tuition paid is a tax credit. I forget what the ratio works out to be, but it does count toward reducing your annual taxes owed, for whoever is paying that tuition. Personally, I never filed it because my tuition was paid by the state (Chapter 33 GI Bill), so I couldn't claim it even though the W2 from my college still came to me.
@rickstevens1384
8 ай бұрын
The problem is the answer they always come to; more govt policy, programs, benefits, oversight, subsidies, etc. that have never solved the problem they say they want to. & yet we learn nothing & the wheel keeps turning just as always. The man's kid is stuck in a crappy school, just a thought, how about school choice.
@vdoggydogg3922
6 ай бұрын
If someone told me they work at the white house today i would politely end the conversation.
@Nick-yz9fd
8 ай бұрын
I watched this on TV as a young 20 something. Majored in politics, worked on campaigns, stayed interested and somewhat involved, even tried to get the first woman elected President. But I never made it as far as I wanted. I never moved to DC or worked for the White House. But, god, I wanted to be able to help people, to affect change and have my life make a difference with other people who were equally dedicated. This show made me believe that was not only possible, but the ideal vision of leadership. The last 20 years has been very difficult to watch. Many times, due to the people who got elected, or how the opposition became emersed in fascism and racism. I see some of the talent and savvy necessary to lead in our VP, or in others like Psaki, whom I thought was an amazing communicator. But I have lost the naiveté, and the optimistic hope of a world like the one The West Wing portrayed. I now see it as naive and lacking street sense. House of Cards is a better understanding of DC, and national politics. It's about money, and fame and power and sex. The empathy you see in this bar scene doesn't happen in reality, because in reality, those two men of different class and power levels would never even be sitting in the same bar together.
@ianboyle1026
8 ай бұрын
Australian WW fan here. I hear you, and as an observer of the US from afar, with a degree in political science, I too am dismayed at how far things have strayed. BUT I also watch as the Rule of Law gradually re-asserts itself, via genuinely committed public servants (GOP and Dem), and a system that although imperfect and at times fragile continues to show itself resilient enough to right the ship. I'm often reminded of a moment from a Bill Clinton speech that resonated with me. He said (I paraphrase) that "there's nothing wrong about America that can't be fixed with what's right about America." Rhetoric, certainly. A sound bite, sure. But given the country's huge diversity, its institutional depth, and the profound respect for democratic values built into its socio-political fabric, I believe the rhetoric hit the nail on the head that time. There's headwind to overcome, inevitable pushback, but indications are that you will get your America back. That's the view from outside, for what it's worth. Take heart, mate. It's easy to become disillusioned about one's own polity -- you see the warts up close -- and I'm pretty jaded about Australian politics, I can tell you. I may be wrong, and perhaps an informed observer from outside my country will correct me one day by giving me a broader perspective. Fingers crossed!
@Nick-yz9fd
8 ай бұрын
@@ianboyle1026 Thanks. I needed to hear this.
@andrewgundy3045
8 ай бұрын
I thought the actor portraying the dad here did a great job
@SoFloCo-ne4rk
8 ай бұрын
The actor's name is John P. Connolly.
@Martngibson
8 ай бұрын
The first time I watched TWW, I was in high school and college. It was so easy to suspend my disbelief and think the show was a realistic portrayal of American politics. Now the occasional clip pops up in my feed, interspersed with clips from the real world, and at this point it seems it seems more fictional than star trek. I wish the Democrats could produce a candidate 10% as good as Bartlett, but instead they can't even beat Trump. We're all doomed.
@monadoshay1416
5 күн бұрын
They did beat Trump. Just look at who is in office now. Also have you not heard the recording that Trump himself said he lost the race.
@MPDLR
10 күн бұрын
Del Griffith's cousin :)
@marcoperez6952
11 ай бұрын
This was America before Covid and Trump. Now ...the nation is divided over things that have made talking to a regular guy at the bar toxic. I miss those days.
@Nabrolo
8 ай бұрын
The divide was there during Obama and Bush. The polarization of American politics isn't new, it's just been festering since the advent of Fox News.
@paulschmitz9175
8 ай бұрын
There was never a more sanctimonious fop than Toby.
@YTW-rw6pr
Жыл бұрын
I make more than twice what this guy does in this monalauge my wife about half we have a daughter and we have trouble making ends meat too. It's supposed to be hard but sorkin is right NOT THIS HARD.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Ай бұрын
Why is it supposed to be hard though? It'S hard for a lot of people because they don't have the money - but the _children_ are simply thrown into the situation, they don't choose or do anything to end up with rich or poor or middle class parents, but _they_ are the ones who suffer from it. Why is that good?
@danjones2164
Жыл бұрын
…and Matt’s body was found three days later alongside a nearby creek.
@SWOBIZ
7 ай бұрын
Notice that Toby doesn’t blame colleges for overcharging for their educational offerings. No, faculty are overwhelmingly Democrats.
@edmundfuerst5662
7 ай бұрын
I was just thinking we taxpayers gave them hundreds of billions in free money loans that will never be paid off by them saddling their kids with more national debt. So we made it easier for this guy and his daughter but made it worse for the daughter and his grandkids in the long run. 😢😢😢
@joemckim1183
7 жыл бұрын
Great scene but not sure why a guy is flying from St. Louis to Indiana. Ought as well just drive there, it's only a 7 or 8 hour drive depending on where in Indiana you're going. With having to be at airport early for your flight, delays and then picking up your luggage after the flight you're not saving that much time by flying.
@India.H
7 жыл бұрын
Joe McKim "only"? I'm so glad I don't live in the States 😂
@joemckim1183
7 жыл бұрын
Actually it might be less than that. But considering how early you have to get to the airport with checking bags and the time after the flight to retrieve your luggage you're not saving that much time flying, and if you drive you don't have to worry about delays. And if you fly you have to get a rental car instead of already having your own car.
@llenlleawch
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe he couldn't drive for some reason or other. His car is down, he's legally blind, he lost his license...
@aspirestudios8167
6 жыл бұрын
Joe McKim on his way to St. Louis, he said and he was up here, looking at Notre Dame. In other words, he probably isn’t a Hoosier and he has taken several one-way flights to check out several colleges with his daughter. That’s how I read it, anyway :)
@joemckim1183
8 ай бұрын
@@aspirestudios8167 I would bet he is just checking out 1 school at a time and heading home to St. Louis. But for arguments sake if he went to check out schools in St. Louis with a similar academic comparison to Notre Dame it would probably be Washington University, St. Louis University or Missouri-St. Louis.
@jimmy2k4o
2 жыл бұрын
Such a tragic fate to care for people when you’re not a people person. No wonder Toby is so perpetually stressed and down.
@dafrasier1
Жыл бұрын
'making ends meet' Human nature: apartment, house , children, 3 car garage full, off site storage, yard sale, donations... We eat too much. Animals just want more. more is better ?
@randolphkersey5155
Жыл бұрын
This guy is an American. We don't expect it to be easy; but we would like it a little easier. In this current hell with Joe, his words ring loud.
@colinmerritt7645
8 ай бұрын
Much better than with Dumb Donald though. Much better.
@Wolf-ln1ml
Ай бұрын
So it's "typical" for US Americans to have children suffer from the sins of their parents? They're not the ones who made bad choices or did anything wrong when they ended up with poor parents, but they _are_ the ones suffering from the financial situation of their parents. Why is that good?
@danieltodd9038
5 ай бұрын
No art or music? How bout learn some reading and math... This is liberal thought, now look at how crappy students are performing in school. We have graduates unable to read at a 6th grade level BUT HEY THEY NEED MUSIC CLASS!!!!!, and they just keep passing these failing students through year after year. The school system is a failure and students don't care to try. Teachers are more worried about social bs than teaching actual classes. Behavior issues in students, bad parents... Love this show though. My top3 all time.
@Hermy1138
7 жыл бұрын
Wait till the SJWs jump on to this
@paulwagner688
6 жыл бұрын
We already did. Years ago.
@colinmerritt7645
8 ай бұрын
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@user-wb9bw1zx7z
28 күн бұрын
This is something cringe-inducing about this scene and I think I can point out what it is. This "father"'s monologue has the content and tenor of a commercial for a 529 plan or perhaps life insurance and is completely unnatural. They've simply taken a bunch of rhetoric which no one actually believes and placed in the mouth of a guy sitting at a bar. The thing that is truly disgusting about this is the credulity in the system which is simultaneously implied and endorsed. It's not enough that he's credulous, you, the viewer, are invited to share in his credulity. Beyond this, other disgusting things issuing from this man's mouth are his decisions to send the girl to college whilst forcing the boy to go to an inner-city public school (is he a misandrist or something?) as well as the implication that he is somehow obligated as a man to send his daughter to college. Does he know what girls do while they're away at college? Why does he want this for his daughter? The overarching subtext of this scene is, "Buy in." This is exactly the sort of propaganda which the movie They Live (1988) endeavored to expose. It's not surprising coming from a TV series the express purpose of which was to, "Restore public faith in the Executive" in the aftermath of the Lewinsky scandal.
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