Thanks Gary. The G12C as sounded good to me in every amp it was in. Good balance from top to bottom, and sweet and open. Probably get one for m Princeton reverb build.
@j.staley7425
3 жыл бұрын
That WGS sounds great!
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
It is absolutely a credible musical option to consider
@j.staley7425
3 жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 thank you Sir for your recommendation of these speakers.
@josephstewart5201
Жыл бұрын
Great video! In my view, both are tremendously great speakers, with loads of warm bottom end and top end sparkle, and for me, its honestly tough to tell the difference between the two when using the neck pickup. However, when you switched to the bridge pickup, I could clearly detect a throatier, thumpier, more mid-rich tone to the WGS, while the Jupiter seemed airier, less condensed, slightly more refined and articulate. Either one is going to be a perfect match for my PRRI. 👍
@gair1944
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your insight. I would say the WGS C12 has deeper bass and is more mid scooped. The Jupiter cuts and punches well and takes overdrive pedals with more authority.
@josephstewart5201
Жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 Interesting how our human ears all differ. Its a great part of what makes our larger world go 'round-n-round. I'll be evaluating both here in the next few days, in several different amps, one of which is a cherished PRRI, but honestly, I don't envision ever overdriving that amp too much. Its 'cleans' are what I'm after with that one. I've got other amps for overdrive when needed.👍
@patricelongchamps9880
Жыл бұрын
Jupiter is more rounded, a better presence with a very delicate tone. Would be curious to hear the diff with the Jupiter Alnico version.
@donarmando916
2 жыл бұрын
Like em both. I have the WH G12C on my Fender Blues deluxe and sounds great.
@gair1944
2 жыл бұрын
You’re not wrong. They are both highly worthy.
@guitarman89
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Gary, thanks so much for the great comparison! I have the alnico version of both speakers, and they're both wonderful. Also, for a couple of years now, I've been using Jupiters 12LC-P in one of my amps. It's the same as yours but with a paper voice-coil former. Have you ever had a chance to try that one to see how it compares? It's a wonderful speaker, but I guess all of them are!
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Gord, Sorry for the late reply. I missed this. Yes I tried the Jupiter 12" Alnico and it blew me away. Absolutely amazing speaker. Maybe my favorite. Depends on what flavor of sound you're looking for.
@musicismagical251
6 күн бұрын
I'm just wondering why he didn't make sure the WGS was broken in first so that the comparison would be more fair? Everyone knows that once a speaker breaks in it "relaxes" and usually gets warmer and smoother. So do comparisons of ALL broken-in speakers because that's the only way it is useful to people.
@gair1944
6 күн бұрын
Your point is certainly fair. But you what they say? ...."When in Rome...". What you probably don't know is the amp with the WGS was a loaner so I made the Video while I had the chance. IS this comparison better than nothing? Maybe not to you, but it was to me. Have a splendid day nonetheless.
@sameap
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Gary, thanks a lot for your demo on this matter that finally made me choose the 12LC to replace my trusty Weber 12F125 in my SFPR (1976). The 12LC was broken in a bit for some extra €€'s in the shop. First impression was a full and big tone (tele's + Don Mare-Hayride pu's), and will do the job even more in medium sized gigs for sure. Since I'm happy with the Jupiter SC8 in my SFChamp, I became convinced about the Jupiter series. Now I'm curious how the 12SC (so far no testrides seen on the net) will work in the SFPR and if that turns out to be a better combo, the 12LC might go to my SFDeluxe and replace the Weber 12F150. It looks that there is a 'golden speaker-era' happening now by which we can sport our beloved vintage SF Fender amps! Have fun and best wishes from Amsterdam.
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Bart, I am super impressed with any Jupiter speaker I've tried. The Alnico Speaker is amazing too. I have not tried the 12SC but a friend of mine in another State has one and loves it.
@CargoShorts7
2 жыл бұрын
What did you end up keeping in your vintage Fenders? I just scored an original '65 BFDR and am thinking about swapping out the original 12" oxford to preserve it.
@sameap
2 жыл бұрын
@@CargoShorts7 Hello Willy, My SF Deluxe sports a Weber 12F150 as a replacement for a Jensen 12K, the Weber does a fine job in my ears: clean headroom, full, dynamic and sparkly tone, however I'm toying with the idea to get another Jupiter 12LC for it, which is in my SF Princeton and sounds pretty well, I also have that great Jupiter 8SC in my SF Champ to make the story complete. Good luck!
@CargoShorts7
2 жыл бұрын
@@sameap Hey thanks for the feedback Bart! Where on the volume knob does your SFDR start to break up with the Weber? I mostly get my dirt from pedals, but I do love that edge of breakup sound with these old Fenders where they start to give when you dig in. Ideally, I'd love to find a speaker that can do the best of both worlds and can offer that natural drive at a reasonable volume. Thanks again, cheers!
@sameap
2 жыл бұрын
@@CargoShorts7 Hello Willy, I must admit that I prefer to have 'total control' over the breaking up-sound of the amp+speaker, so I do prefer a speaker with lots of clean headroom, and if an overdriven sound is needed I push the pedal (e.g. RC-booster, OCD 1.4 or Nobels are fine), my max volume on the SFPR is about 4 and 3/4 on the SFDR, which is pretty loud in a band situation. Maybe the amps break up at volume 6 or 5 respectively. Btw: I'm not playing hardrock but country- rock (&roll), rockabilly, surf, soul and some evergreens. Hope this helps. Best regards from Amsterdam, Bart
@zettepix2009
2 жыл бұрын
The WGS is a bit more neutral sounding. I guess the Jupiter though would be great for certain styles that benefit from a bit of scoop mids and more highs definition such as surf
@oldasrocks9121
4 ай бұрын
The Jupiters with paper voice coils are 25 watts and come a bit closer to their inspirations, the Jensen P1xN and C1xN, both considered "holy grail" drivers by the vintage market. Jupiters are great (especially when they're on sale!) I also appreciate their limited offerings, curated perhaps. I got boggled with everything WGS Celestion and Eminence offer.
@gair1944
4 ай бұрын
I have always been impressed with Jupiter speakers.
@HiHello-ku1fl
2 жыл бұрын
The Jupiter sounds slightly sweeter almost like an alnico where the WGS sounds more bright like a ceramic. Both sound great. I think I prefer the Jupiter. Will listen a few more times.
@gair1944
2 жыл бұрын
You are the first person who mentioned the similarity to Alnico! I totally agree. It has the slam and punch of ceramic but sweetness of Alnico
@HiHello-ku1fl
2 жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 yeah I kept thinking that. The Jupiters aren't exactly cheap though huh. They are the best though if you are trying to tame that new amp sound.
@mseabs741
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Jupiter in this shootout. I think it has a more vintage sound.
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Jupiter as well
@LA-zc9rg
2 жыл бұрын
Both sound very similar, not surprisingly the Jupiter is made by WGS.
@gair1944
2 жыл бұрын
In the room they are very different
@thomasmoore3822
4 жыл бұрын
I think the wgc12c sounds great. A local amp maker uses that wgs in his fender clones. Could you do a demo of your pedal board sometime? I always love your videos especially the martins. I have 6 of them and the next one I want is a Prs if I can ever decide which one..
@gair1944
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Thomas. You make a good point. I'll do a demo of the Pedal board sometime soon. You and I apparently have similar taste in guitars. I Love my Martins too. I have (4) currently. Don't really need another, but 'need' isn't always the driving factor right? Laughs. My current pedal board (has been unchanged for quite a while) : Cali76 Mini Deluxe Compressor, TC Polytune 3, Jetter Jetdrive, Xotic Effects RC Boost V2, Seymour Duncan Vapor Trail Delay, Suhr Jackrabbit Tremolo, Strymon El Capiston echo, ElectroHarmonix Stereo 720 Loop Station.
@mdl12321
3 жыл бұрын
Jupiter sounds more vintage-y, magical mids. I bet wgs would sound very well too if it was broken in, but in more common way. It would lack those mids Jupiter has.
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
The Jupiter inherently has a more present and welcome midrange. That works particularly well in a band mix
@JuanDeSoCal
9 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the vid! I think the WGS is 75w and the Jupiter 50w, so has it seemed to you that the WGS was capable of more volume, or did it not make a difference when paired with the Princeton?
@gair1944
9 ай бұрын
You are correct the Jupiter 12LC is 50W. Thanks for the clarification. The WGS G12C is rated for 75W. In either case, the Princeton is a 15W amp so neither speaker is going to be pushed anywhere near its usable limit. The difference sonically is certainly related to other variables I could only guess about.
@northfortyrecords
2 жыл бұрын
For clean tones, I think the Jupiter sounds better. It's more relaxed and springy sounding. As others have said, the WGS sounds a little thinker, has more mids, which makes the clean tones sound sorta honky in my opinion. But the WGS might do a little better with overdrive because of that same fact.
@chazmichael7967
3 ай бұрын
0:31 wgs 1:11 jupiter 2:32 wgs same amp
@finoroverato7640
3 жыл бұрын
Great shootout. I will take both! The WGS sounds very bright how does it take overdrive pedals. Which speaker sounds better with overdrive?
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
Both are great with Overdrive. The Jupiter may be a bit smoother. It seems to have a little more inherent midrange that I always find works great with overdrive.
@finoroverato7640
3 жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 thank you kindly
@cheycasters
3 жыл бұрын
The Jupiter is made by WGS! P.S. Thats a beauty of a Tele!
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
You are correct but it is very different from the WGS g12c. Wattage rating is 50w on G12C. 75W for the Jupiter. They do sound different and both sound great. Choose your poison
@cheycasters
3 жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 I beleive the Jupiter is the 50W speaker and the WGS is the 75W speaker. I ask WGS about what speaker is the 12"LC the closest to and they said the G12C and its 75w. Thanks!!
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
@@cheycasters You are correct on the wattage ratings. I knew that but mixed it up when I was replying.
@cheycasters
3 жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 Are you still digging the Jupiter???????? My Jupiter Alnicos in both amps have changed drastically getting broken in more n more but, they both do the same thing as each other in I am a heavy hitter player and they both have the same flub out trait to them I dont like at all. But the 10W Pinta one sounds killer and chirpy and fat etc, and the one in the 20W Creamer dounds dull and sterile and has no top end clarity etc. but is loosening up more but I still thing a Ceramic is the Speaker for me..... Dont get me wrong these both sound awesome but the Creamer needs the Ceramic one but now I need to figurer that out best st I can!!!
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This Tele is the absolute benchmark reference guitar for me, by which all others are judged. I've played some really good Tele's that I also liked, but this one has "the sound" clean, moderate dirt or driven hard. And it can twang or get jazzy and bluesy on demand. Does it all. Truly the Swiss army knife of guitars.
@MJSeeker81
11 ай бұрын
Hey gary. Thanks for the vids. watched several. I just bought a louis deltone. Its muddy in the mix. to much lower mids. but i love the thud it produces. it sounds great by itself. thought changing the speaker would help. do you think the wgs would retain the bass thud but take out the extra warmth?
@gair1944
11 ай бұрын
I think this WGS speaker has a lot of bass. Might not be the best choice. What speaker is in the Deltone? I have a Louis Columbia reverb and it is very bass heavy. I dial the bass EQ to “2” and that’s usually plenty
@MJSeeker81
11 ай бұрын
jupiter@@gair1944
@MJSeeker81
11 ай бұрын
i tried a creamback and a fane a 60 but the thud disappears @@gair1944
@druwk
3 жыл бұрын
That Jupiter sounds ace! Wanting to upgrade my 5e3 Clone with a new speaker to tighten things up a bit? I have a Celestion Blue in there now, but it has that mushy Alnico Low-Mid breakup. I got the 5e3 to get some of that breakup, but really wanted it for the edge of break up sweet clean. The Jupiter is sweet clean, how does the Jupiter handle gain?
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
Jupiter 12LC is a 50W Speaker and handles Gain amazing. It is also very efficient, so it will make your 5e3 sound like it has twice the power. You will get a bit more clean headroom but when you push it, it sounds incredible. Jupiter also makes a 25w version of this speaker that might be great. Mine however is the 50W version.
@druwk
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply! I actually found a speaker shoot out between the 12LC, and 12SC through a Tweed...just ordered the 12LC five minutes ago. Looking forward to hearing the difference. How long was your break in time? I probably won’t be able to wind up the amp anytime soon. Again, thanks for the response...that Princeton with that Jupiter, dogs just about any amp you’ve compared with it!
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
@@druwk Hi Druwk, In my experience the Jupiter sounded GREAT right out of the box. Never once did I think; I can't wait for this speaker to break in. If it got better, that happened so gradually, I never really noticed. It just always sounded good to me. In fact, I replaced a 90W Celestion Alnico Cream that was stock in this amp. The Celestion was awesome but it had more midrange and this amp didn't need that. I wanted it to be more 'american' voiced and I always preferred the Jupiter 12LC.
@druwk
3 жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 Thanks for the dialogue. That’s really good to know that you replaced a Celestion Alnico, and that you didn’t perceive a ‘break in’ time. I think I’m on the right track? 🤔 I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, given the music/tone/players I’m most attracted to, that I’m an American voiced guy! It’s just hard to resist the pull of all the great music from England throughout the ‘60s & ‘70s, and thinking that the ‘Celestion sound’ isn’t what I really want? I’m pretty sure the Tweed will give me all the midrange, and gain that I crave, and the Jupiter will give me the clarity that I need!
@tommc49
2 жыл бұрын
Well done comparison. I thought the Jupiter sounded more bassy but it could be the cabinet. Is the Jupiter the 50w or the 25w? Thanks for posting
@gair1944
2 жыл бұрын
This is the 50w Jupiter 12 LC
@tommc49
2 жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 Thanks. I wanted to like the Jupiter more. I see several of the high dollar boutique amp builders using them. But in your vid, I liked the WGS better.
@chazmichael7967
3 ай бұрын
Wgs 4:38 Jupiter 3:44
@JP1AO
4 жыл бұрын
Wondering why you switched out the Celestian Creme speaker? I thought that speaker sounded like heaven.
@gair1944
4 жыл бұрын
The Jupiter won me over. I compared them and actually preferred the Jupiter. So I sold the Celestion Cream Alnico
@adadogod
3 жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 Gary, do you find the Jupiter speaker handles your pedalboard nicely? How does it play with overdrive and fuzz units? Thanks!
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
@@adadogod the Jupiter is a 50w speaker and has a sweet midrange that works great with any drive pedal or fuzz I’ve thrown at it. Hope that helps.
@adadogod
3 жыл бұрын
@@gair1944 Thanks Gary!
@DogDaze66
3 жыл бұрын
Jupiter clairity and chime is nicer sounding
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree
@agusvai1
3 жыл бұрын
Which one your favourite sir?.. Thank you
@gair1944
3 жыл бұрын
I would have to give the nod to the a Jupiter but it’s more $$ and the WGS 12c is excellent too. Still I would probably pick the Jupiter 12LC
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