"Whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire.
@iteerrex8166
Ай бұрын
The Z clan has generations of experience in manipulation of the uninformed.
@Shsjier
Ай бұрын
@@Nedchilvsif you dont know what the word atrocity means you can just say so. There's no shame in it
@Shadowman4710
Ай бұрын
@@Nedchilvs Which "lot" are we talking about?
@saraj7888
Ай бұрын
voltaire believed in scientific racism and believed that chinese indian and russian people were naturally suited for authoritarianism and slavery
@sigilpop
Ай бұрын
Anti-immigration is the greatest absurdity and a political promise that has never been achieved successfully. Anti-immigration ultimately means a police state.
@RubyTuesdayJB
Ай бұрын
44:28 As a secondary school teacher, I’m not shocked. Many kids feel the chronic lack of opportunity. Conversations that I have with some of my students indicate that they know that higher education, high wages and home ownership is out of their reach. More and more students (especially working class boys) are becoming apathetic towards academia, community or even their own aspirations. Some give up before they even start and it’s so, so sad 😢
@TomNook.
Ай бұрын
If they don't want free education designed to increase their income, it's self inflicted.
@vince7645
Ай бұрын
Very Very Sad but 100% INTENTIONAL of the US Organized Crime Kabul running and ruining our lives ...
@farsalami8605
Ай бұрын
yOU MUST BE A TERRIBLE TEACHER Obviously you do not understand the problem lol
@jaijai5250
Ай бұрын
Your comment has some truth, but I think it’s cultural for white working class boys, and Caribbean boys to shy away from education. That isn’t a new thing. Black girls mostly do well but white working class always thought why could work in factories, mines, and shops. All those industries have died, so they have no hope. They still pass those values onto their children, even though those industries died decades ago.
@shabbydabbydo314
Ай бұрын
I live in Scotland, we have poverty too. We didn't have racist riots.
@paulananke
Ай бұрын
If government took a few initiatives for change around housing, income inequality, asylum support and right to work, nationalising utilities, infrastructure investment and other investments in some of areas devastated by deindustrialisation the culture, the feel of living in the UK would change quite quickly. The ground would shift from under the right.
@loulou-783
Ай бұрын
Too many vested interests in real control.
@matthewcoombs3282
Ай бұрын
You mean govern for the people?.......away with ye and your mad radical ideas😂
@malikrahman8649
Ай бұрын
The government can barely run itself and you think it can run national infrastructures? Is that not the reason Thatcher privatised everything? Full circle of doom. 🙄
@vince7645
Ай бұрын
They stole all the Capital and control Judicial and share the Elite Class and have forgotten that we can still manufacture Pitchforks & Torches.
@bestbehave
Ай бұрын
What? goverment do what its elected to do?? COMMUNISM!
@grayfool
Ай бұрын
My wife is a black Mauritian. She has suffered racism not just because of her colour but also because people assume she is Muslim. She is a Catholic. The facts don't matter to a racist. They just need an excuse. This is one of the main reasons we retired to Mauritius. Not perfect here but at least we can go out of our home without worrying about being abused because of how we look.
@jeongbun2386
Ай бұрын
I hope you guys are living well now ❤
@grayfool
Ай бұрын
@@jeongbun2386 Thank you. In most ways we very much are.
@RowenaSnow-px3jg
Ай бұрын
Sorry that you have been treated badly. I am glad that you are in a place where you are treated better.
@chrisbennett6260
Ай бұрын
interesting and i hear you thats why as soon as ive bagged the money i am off to st kitts and Nevis , got no time for this bollocks
@PMMagro
Ай бұрын
It is all about their own low self esteem. Anybody could be their traget "to blame" (except themselves naturally).
@HeirToTheScarletSky
Ай бұрын
This "American culture is erasing British culture" is entirely correct. I work in the takeaway industry and it saddens me to see all the instances where we allow places like McDonald's and KFC to start dominating food and takeaway.
@loulou-783
Ай бұрын
We are just an additional state it seems.
@maryjones4029
Ай бұрын
I don't think you can conclude food outlets erode culture. I have lived in the US and know many Americans and I know there's a difference between US and British culture. British culture is far more likely to be erased by high levels of immigration and a lack of integration than by American culture. For example, can you say London, which is populated more by immigrants than those with English heritage, is still culturally English?
@HeirToTheScarletSky
Ай бұрын
@@loulou-783 sadly, yes. I won't say which one but I work on one of the food delivery apps (just eat, deliveroo,uber eats). It's not something you would necessarily think about but the choices of which restaurants to show at the front of the app obviously influences people's behaviour. Those things help to define culture. The same will be true for apps like Disney or Netflix too. Moving from the BBC/ITV/Channel 4 to American media corporations will have a lasting long term impact.
@HeirToTheScarletSky
Ай бұрын
@@maryjones4029 I think both have an impact if British culture and identity. It's not either/or. I think just looking at the media from the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s. We have changed dramatically. I am not convinced this is all due to immigration.
@mrstephenpariah
Ай бұрын
@@maryjones4029Yes, you can. Go talk to some and see for yourself. American economics and corporate colonialism are the real threat. They eradicate any sort of cultural wealth of any kind and replace it with sugary sludge in a styrofoam cup. Debt slavery and diabetes.
@StimParavane
29 күн бұрын
These issues are primarily economic and cultural. Not racism.
@von1glik
20 күн бұрын
They are both
@StimParavane
20 күн бұрын
@@von1glik You can read people's minds, can you? The left keeps demonising people by calling them racist rather than dealing with the real issues.
@marcchrys
17 күн бұрын
Agree. Sadly, Novara characterising the riots as "race riots" fails to fully grasp the complexity of the economic and cultural tensions in modern British society.
@stanleybeckett7705
Ай бұрын
Rivka summed it up perfectly "happy people dont burn shit"
@TomNook.
Ай бұрын
Depends if they're pyromaniacs
@sigilpop
Ай бұрын
@@bengoodhind8595 The typical comment that brings up race when the conversation is nothing about it. The topic is about angry people burning shit, Einstein.
@TheNoraa890
Ай бұрын
@@voodo0983 It was mostly peaceful tho!
@billking8843
Ай бұрын
@@TheNoraa890 Until right-wing vigilantes marched in with their assault weapons. There was some looting and property destruction but that was mostly opportunism, rather than coming from the protesters.
@mj.l
Ай бұрын
@@voodo0983uh yes? lol 🤪
@frankendreads
Ай бұрын
just to add# I live was born in UK & grew up in mainly working class areas but can communicate across the class spectrum, due to the upbringing and the experiances I have been exposed to I will start with this. I have been studying this issue for most of my life and it needs ot be addressed yes there are bigotry in the UK but it has reduced over the last 50 years or so. It was really bad during the 1970s but now the situation is very different. This current crisis is being hyped as being a "Far Right" protest but this is very much a propaganda stance taken, why cause it is being used for a more sinister agenda. The protests are basically working class venting their frustrations, anger and luck of representation within this country. The REform party votes were a symptom of this too. Yes there are groups on both sides of the politcal spectrum, using this for their own ends but most people are not aware of this, as with most common people, they think politics has nothing to do with them and few of them even bother to vote, not knowing the history of gaining that right We need to address this over 40 year problem, in this current cycle of events (this has happened many times before, this is the current cycle in action) the disparity between the haves and have nots social decay politicians following a agenda set by non elected elitist bodies of influence, an agenda that has been rearing it's ugly head for over 100 years corruption the insane crime figures and lack of services available to even address them the immigrations numbers are insane but it is linked to organised criminal gangs, to which next ot nothing is being done to address. The reluctance of big business to pay decent wages or even their taxes the lack of affordable housing The high cost of education and the lack of available jobs for them lack of inverstment into the WHOLE of the UK and not just the south east and London The hatred towards working classes by mainly middle class liberals (a big issue itself is the class system structure) The true bigoted attitude from those higher in the ruling classes towards those they percieve as being lower/lesser than them (that's been around for centuries) Nepotism The voting system (first past the post is now an obvious failure for democracy) We have so many problems right now, all interconnected like a weavers basket but none are being address and instead being passed around like a pass the parcel game, with the loser being the one with this toxic parcel this is what we need to discuss, not locking people up for online messages these politcans need to be held acocuntable for the shambles they have allowed to happen
@mousaka878
Ай бұрын
Spot on …this discontent has been brewing for 20 years… because of the general tolerance of most Brits is has only exploded now … I don’t know the answer… but all I know is that just because the riots have stopped it is not the end of the problems…
@snoogles007
Ай бұрын
Similar background and yes, this is it. You've summed it up.
@mspersonunknowable
Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@roisinmalone3015
Ай бұрын
@@frankendreads You're talking about England, not the UK
@jaijai5250
Ай бұрын
I agree with most of your comment, which was legible, considering you used very little punctuation and sentence structure. I’m amazed by my reading skills.
@cococonlin170
Ай бұрын
This brutal form of capitalism requires a steady flow of cheap labor. If there hadn't been wave after wave of brutal austerity measures inflicted upon the population over the decades, and the prosperity of the economy had been distributed in an equitable manner--there would be no rage to fuel. If the economy were booming for all, immigration would not be at the top of the list of issues.
@Finding-dori
Ай бұрын
Spot on
@bitandbob1167
Ай бұрын
Totally agree. Absurd in this world that so few people possess so much share of the wealth.
@MrSlim325
Ай бұрын
I assume alot of that booming you sugest would be against the natural environment, which is alot worst that street riots. We will reach a moment when riots will be happening becuse if lack of food and water
@captaintruth
Ай бұрын
It’s not all about money it is also about culture
@sanchoohches
29 күн бұрын
So does socialism.
@ladyreverb9175
Ай бұрын
This was a really great & interesting conversation- well done, all! I’m listening from USA, because I’ve trying to wrap my head around these riots, and this clued me in to some of the various motivating factors. This is why I truly appreciate this channel.
@kwanchan6745
Ай бұрын
a priest, an imam and a rabbit walk into a bar the rabbit looks at the other two and says "I think I'm a typo"
@samlebon9884
Ай бұрын
I guess the priest and the Iman had a nice dinner.
@charmainebucco951
Ай бұрын
@@samlebon9884or make an amalgamation so we get Iman Priest whose street nickname is Rabbit and just so happens to be the so-called rabbi for a community meaning everyone goes to Iman for advice on just about anything.
@harimauindia5775
22 күн бұрын
Rabbits are halal 🔪
@healingprotectioncreation7117
Ай бұрын
Eighty per cent of the eligible voting population DIDN'T vote for this Labour government.
@anonnymous4684
Ай бұрын
Labour still won fair and square with the largest government majority since 1997. So what's your point?
@chester6343
Ай бұрын
@@anonnymous4684 the point was they didn't win by landslide, they won because the conservatives were so hopelessly bad.
@andycooper6085
Ай бұрын
@@anonnymous4684 Conservative Tory collapse rather than motivation to vote for Starmer's Tories is the point.
@healingprotectioncreation7117
Ай бұрын
@@anonnymous4684 My point is that the vast majority did not vote for them and are not likely to accept their programme. Such as tall wind turbines being built on the wind turbines.
@anonnymous4684
Ай бұрын
@@andycooper6085 The reason doesn't really matter. Labour is now power and in a position to enact change.
@NPC-st7zv
Ай бұрын
Accident waiting to happen? Don't be stupid, this is working as planned.
@sigilpop
Ай бұрын
Musk and the transnational far-right have been diligently working on this.
@frishter
Ай бұрын
@@sigilpop Ah yes, the mythical far right that doesn't actually exist.
@TheoCapteijn-kh8nj
Ай бұрын
And the BDF which does not excist anymore for more than a decade.
@sigilpop
Ай бұрын
@@frishter Far right extremism accounts for the No.1 national threat in major democracies. So glad it's a public knowledge
@user-gw1dr7rt9b
Ай бұрын
Yes, divide and conquer. A classic.
@bp7495
Ай бұрын
You can't really have a genuinely informed opinion unless you have visited some of the areas where the riots were and spent time in those communities. No good pontificating from a town house in Islington.
@jainabaturner5046
Ай бұрын
Amen
@calzonelover3950
28 күн бұрын
They literally talk about this in the video
@zoidberg444
28 күн бұрын
Nice to see someone here speaking truth to these useless champagne socialists.
@enemywithin1295
24 күн бұрын
@@calzonelover3950… from a town house in Islington.
@sargonsblackgrandfather2072
20 күн бұрын
If you think Islington is some kind of gentrified middle class ivory tower you’ve obviously never been there. London had some of the most impoverished areas in Western Europe
@nicolaford7510
29 күн бұрын
None of you will remember what british pubs used to be like, before they became eating establishments and you just went there to meet people, without any pre-arrangrment. Looking back , they were such unique places.
@francisassisi1048
Ай бұрын
Britain is not England.
@Abbale
Ай бұрын
@@francisassisi1048 Britain is England and England is Britain.
@marcchrys
17 күн бұрын
London isn't representative of all England. Northern English towns are very different, economically and culturally.
@nukkuminen
Ай бұрын
I think Aaron and Rivkah touched upon something very important to me personally, as an ethnically half-Polish, half-Russian British citizen. I always find it deeply uncomfortable when filling out a survey that requires me to describe my race; at times, I reluctantly select 'White - Other' but it happened more than once - including the official ONS census - that I rebelled and ticked the 'Other' box as I feel profoundly opposed to the notion of conflating my rather complex Eastern European heritage with the whiteness of the likes of Tommy Robinson. As much as I do appreciate the ugly history of e.g. the persecution of Jews or the colonisation of the Far East by tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union, my ancestors would've been themselves racialised by e.g. Germanic communities in the United States or by a certain failed watercolour painter and his followers in the years 1939-45. Furthermore, my Britishness is hard to square with the ideas that propelled the Britsh Empire's treatment of Indians, Nigerians, Native Americans, Maoris, and many others - the Britain I consider to be MY home is by definition multiethnic. I really wish we could have this conversation more often as this false notion of cultural commonality based on skin colour is what holds us back when trying to build a nation state based on shared values, rather than on superficial similarities that unravel the moment Armando Ianucci dares to speak out as a white Briton against fascist riots, because ethnonationalists cannot compute how his last name alone doesn't make him inherently Italian and Italian only.
@roisinmalone3015
Ай бұрын
Do you consider yourself English or British
@bettyjaneantanavicius9800
Ай бұрын
Do properly disciplined kids do shit?.ithinknot!
@nukkuminen
Ай бұрын
@@roisinmalone3015 I'd say British as I find Scottishness and Welshness hard to separate from my experience of this country, but for obvious geographical reasons I consider Englishness - and Northern Englishness in particular - the most relevant to my identity. Funny enough, I still feel kind of weird rooting for the English national football team but I have no reservations when it comes to supporting Team GB, I wonder what that says about me.
@roisinmalone3015
Ай бұрын
@@bettyjaneantanavicius9800 What do you mean by properly disciplined mean?
@patmann9363
Ай бұрын
@@roisinmalone3015What do you consider yourself old bean?
@WhoOneIs
Ай бұрын
I’m glad that Rivka mentioned the British Empire at the end, although more attention should have been paid to the legacy of Empire on modern Britain. It’s a gigantic elephant in the room when discussing a topic such as this. History cannot be ignored when thinking about identity, politics, nationalism & immigration.
@coryparni3620
Ай бұрын
It's completely understandable and resalable to have people from the former empire and commonwealth country's live in the UK, they have the right and we know how they got there . They are not the ones we are complaining about . I have been center left of politics my whole life but in recent times I am being labled as far right and a racist , mostly by middle class students .
@johnlondon5516
Ай бұрын
White Brits are only British when it comes to our sins, Immigrants are only British when it comes to our achievements. This has led to an erosion in the native population's political and democratic will and autonomy.
@user-zm3px2qj4m
Ай бұрын
And antisemitism
@juliewake4585
Ай бұрын
Aaron talks about that all the time.
@makesmedizzy2073
Ай бұрын
Why does the Left just stand on the sidelines talking about the legacies of Empire when there was an actual attempted pogrom in this country? The most neutered, useless, self-aggrandising, insular and detached state it has ever been in.
@minimango1
Ай бұрын
if people were making a decent living, have their lives focused on paying their debts and planning their next holiday, cars etc..... they would have no time for this BS. Im not saying that its stop racism but it put it aside.
@Procharmo
Ай бұрын
Correct. Once Harry Enfield started with “loads of money” . Jim Davison with “Chalky” died down. Lenny Henry had very little effect on changing the minds of racists. The “ Yuppie” just made the racists forget for a generation and a half!
@Ratinevo
Ай бұрын
When you disenfranchise natives and dispossess them in favour of migrants and illegal mass immigration, this will always be the result. And much as the frame and reaction is truly racist, the actual underlying issues are that the natives have long been cornered by bad globalists policies and ignored by their government.
@nowisgodinyourlovelylife717
Ай бұрын
People are broke and without hope
@tobymaltby6036
Ай бұрын
I disagree: it's the *fact* that people are struggling economically that *drives* them to this shit.
@crapisnice
Ай бұрын
"First" world problems of a overconsumption society burning and throwing everything
@csharpe5787
Ай бұрын
When you have homes secretaries, like Suella Braverman or MP like Nigel Farage staking up hate, some people believe they have the right to behave in this ignorant way. To be fair, there are places in England we hope has been lost and they are looking for someone to blame.
@rezza_lynsaii
Ай бұрын
You’ve described the north east in a nutshell. Then again It’s always been like that unfortunately due to westminster.
@lewis9388
Ай бұрын
Nigel Farage home secretary? when did this happen
@csharpe5787
Ай бұрын
@@lewis9388 split hair why not.
@EllaGreenn
29 күн бұрын
Why has hope been lost in certain areas? If it did, isn't it a good idea to look for causes and solutions? Or is it best to just sit down and stare at their hands?
@nealben76
Ай бұрын
This was a fascinating discussion. Not sure I agreed with everything but you gave me a lot of food for thought! Thank you for posting!
@janedieuart
22 күн бұрын
I stopped watching when they said 'race riots'.
@woodworks2123
Ай бұрын
I think like English football fans there is an inbuilt feeling of we're better than the rest of the world and these people should serve us. A racist view still held from the British empire days. We are no longer a superpower in the world but think we still are.
@ricdontap1
Ай бұрын
what a load of absolute tosh
@ziggyzugg
Ай бұрын
@@ricdontap1which bit is tosh.. genuine question
@ricdontap1
Ай бұрын
@@ziggyzugg most football thugs have no idea what the Empire was. And where do you get your startling insights into what they think?
@SamuelHill-qt4zx
Ай бұрын
Yeh no this could only be the case with the Boomers, we are well aware that our country is not what it used to be.
@mana3735
Ай бұрын
Most English football fans are just football fans. They support their team and that's it.
@johnslavin2270
Ай бұрын
Ash is doing it too. Britain and England are not the same
@ewanarchibald8774
Ай бұрын
Thats is the one problem I have with Novara. It is hopelessly Londoncentric.
@dannthenitroman
Ай бұрын
They intentionally conflate these things as they do nationality and ethnicity.
@Lukesmithbrfc
28 күн бұрын
@@ewanarchibald8774 The left is hopelessly London-centric
@karenwilliams7600
Ай бұрын
In this world of globalization and neoliberal capitalism, bringing in cheap labour from abroad is no brainer. We have to change the economic model and only then we will stop using people as commodities. Modern day slaves
@karenwilliams7600
Ай бұрын
The indigenous Brits feel like economic objects and the immigrants are objects to be economically exploited..
@allansmythe5822
Ай бұрын
Two reasons: austerity and colonialism.
@riveranalyse
Ай бұрын
Spot on. (I'd probably say inequality and colonialism, but y'know.)
@joss8558
24 күн бұрын
Yes, absolutely. The riots happened because the UK is being colonised. At the height of the British Raj there were 150,000 white people on the Indian sub-continent. There are now 3,000,000 people whose ancestry is from that part of the world in the UK (a country that's 1/16th the size), so the UK is suffering more than 100 times the level of immigration that India suffered under the British empire No wonder people are angry.
@riveranalyse
24 күн бұрын
@@joss8558 Lol
@hommuside
2 күн бұрын
@@riveranalyselol, facts, but y’know
@iteerrex8166
Ай бұрын
As an American I actually love Europe because they have preserved their local culture, heritage and identity, down to neighborhoods and villages, and even streets. It is sad to hear that England is going by the way of America, and becoming a corporate blab. Very sad indeed.
@karo2090
Ай бұрын
Americans love Europe because they have preserved their local culture, heritage and identity but when Europeans defend their culture, heritage and identity against the muliticulturalism promoted by supranational corporations, they call them far right-wingers, fascists and racists... Interesting 🙃
@karo2090
Ай бұрын
but when Europeans defend their culture, heritage and identity against the muliticulturalism promoted by transnational corporations, you call them far r.ight, f.ascists and r.acists... interesting 🙃
@dondiegodeazambuja9410
Ай бұрын
That’s because majority of the people from a nation that barged into other lands without invitation knows not to think in tribal terms. So they push those with the tribal thinking out by labeling them far right. I prefer they call them nutters and far wrong.
@jeongbun2386
Ай бұрын
@@karo2090You think european cultures merged WITHOUT the mixing of previous cultures? If you peddle cultural purity, we have a word for what type of people you support 🇩🇪👨🏻
@iteerrex8166
Ай бұрын
@@karo2090 I call them human beings, and if they are good people, they’re welcome in my neighborhood.
@user-mh6ig2oc5j
Ай бұрын
Really good, guys! I'd love to see more of these 'Novara Round-tables'❤
@bilgan509
Ай бұрын
Thank you, Ash, Aaron, and Rivkah for hammering this out. I needed perspective ❤
@mk3kxc4u
25 күн бұрын
You didn't get it from this discussion. They missed the point.
@harristonmiller4399
Ай бұрын
There needs to be a proper examination of British history in regards viewpoints on race, class and social identity
@RowenaSnow-px3jg
Ай бұрын
Austerity has wreaked havoc in England and in the U.S. It has created a lot of hatred and also a lot of negative "otherizing" language on the media. This leads a lot of angry desperate people to blame the most vulnerable among them. Unfortunately this leads to more hate crimes. I think it is not only poverty that stokes resentment but also a failure of leadership by authorities.
@hatfullofsky2470
Ай бұрын
build social housing, minimize zero hour contracts, manage NHS well and strengthen it, not weaken it with privatisation. There needs to be some regeneration of local high streets not shops standing empty in every city and lower rents.
@aries6776
8 сағат бұрын
Tax the super-rich and foreign corporations far more equitably (i.e. a lot more!) to fund it all.
@roisinmalone3015
Ай бұрын
Too much confusing Britain with England. English people need to think about and discuss that.
@zzzzoijzzzzz
Ай бұрын
I noticed that confusion too particularly when they mentioned ceilidh. In Scotland the riots didn't happen in part (as I saw suggested by prof sir John Curtice on Newscast) because the riots came from the remnants of the English Defence League which of course appeals to England not Scotland
@ewanarchibald8774
Ай бұрын
@@zzzzoijzzzzz There is a far right in Scotland, but they are comparitively small and resolutely "British" if you know what I mean. They have tried in the past to latch on to Scottish Independence as an issue, but the contradictions are too great even for the knuckleheads. We also have politicians prepared to speak out against them rather than simply pandering too them.
@francisassisi1048
Ай бұрын
Agreed, it’s my biggest pet peeve.
@dannthenitroman
Ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more, lefties have conflated ethnicity, nationality, race, etc. They intentionally conflate it so that they can pretend that anyone born in England is English no matter their race or ethnicity... But then seen to have forgotten and outright forget what all of these things mean.
@jrton1366
Ай бұрын
The difference between England and rUK is less migration. If you don’t believe me look at the rhetoric in Ireland regarding immigration 5 years ago (lauding their moral superiority over Britain) vs today (desperately trying to blame others for the rise in the far right in Ireland).
@robinhazell6019
Ай бұрын
There is Racism in probably every country. It doesn't have to be about rioting etc,. I lived in Thailand for 24 years, Indonesia for just over 2 years and China for 2 years. I suffered from Racism in every country, especially my last job in Thailand. Probably the least racist country I lived and worked in was Indonesia, where I had a lot of Muslim friends even though they knew I am Buddhist. When Racism is carried out in an indirect way, it is actually more hurtful and insidious.
@bettyjaneantanavicius9800
Ай бұрын
Palestine for the Palestinians!
@MaxPayne-fi1mz
Ай бұрын
Some sort of Racism is natural. But something being natural doesn't necessitate it being right.
@SA-dt2cd
Ай бұрын
@@bettyjaneantanavicius9800😂😂😂😂😂😂
@warp5p1d3r6
Ай бұрын
here is an issue i have, around 25 minutes Aaron is making a lot of sense. if we had 1 million empty homes we could move people in, we do not have this. he also mentions a declining birth rate, immigration is a plaster you stick on this problem and is the easy way out, you need to encourage people to have children not flood the country with people we can't house.
@ddk567t
Ай бұрын
Yes, but that is going to take 75 years at least. In the meantime, to sustain the economy and society, we need the immigrants. It's a very tricky problem.
@ricdontap1
Ай бұрын
@@ddk567t no we don't its a fallacy told by the Blob.
@-bret
Ай бұрын
I can't believe im actually saying this, but his argument on how to fix the birth rate is basically a replacement policy of native population to service the economy.
@ddk567t
Ай бұрын
@@-bret What's the alternative?
@warp5p1d3r6
Ай бұрын
@@ddk567t to sustain the economy we need to explode the population with gig economy workers? doesn't make sense really.
@MerlinSingh
29 күн бұрын
You're talking about the left winning Rotherham back... the predominately Mirpuri grooming gang was active 10 years ago. >1000 white girls were exploited. The Left have done nothing and the right have walked into this vacuum. Today one of their main points (next to small boats) is the grooming gangs. Good luck winning places like Rotherham back. The left should have led the discussion on WHY Mirpuri men are massively over represented in grooming gangs across the country. Im talking specifically about gangs, not individual cases on child abuse where white men top the charts. The left should have worked with the good people in the Mirpuri community to understand why this was happening and to put an end to it. We in the left did sweet FA, and now look at the impact. Those communities will never forget it and the right will use it as a weapon forever.
@zoidberg444
28 күн бұрын
What a load of utter lies and self serving slop.
@garyg1705
Ай бұрын
what do the riots say about britain? many things. racists, thugs, misinformation and lack of social media regulation. but also that many feel left behind, that we live in a failed state, that immigration is too high and the country has changed too much too soon.
@existphotography8091
Ай бұрын
how does the "left behind" idea work when many of the social media outlets and newspapers are run by super-rich and many of the consumers being home owners and not exactly young, re readers of the Daily Mail etc etc = yes a small minority may be poor etc but the racist narrative is not only strong amonst the poor
@reynard-fox
Ай бұрын
Any considerate grounded person can see that immigration has been too high and the rate of change has been rapid and unprecedented, causing a lot of upheaval. Surely listening to people's genuine concerns instead of gaslighting them, branding them racist or far-right is a more sensible path. Denying there is no issue with mass immigration at all is just pushing people the other way.
@snipelite94
Ай бұрын
The tories and Fuhrage sold you a whopper with Rwanda and other distractions. Recoup the monies from tory mates and tory pockets, and have honest conversations. Don't blame phillipina nurses and other asian folk for tory govt missteps.
@crayontom9687
Ай бұрын
It’s easier and cheaper to import labour than it is to train it. So unless we change our economic model immigration will remain high and will be used as a get out of jail free card for the political and economic establishment
@bettyjaneantanavicius9800
Ай бұрын
In Ontario, Ford dismissed technical schools in favor of i mmigration..
@dandantheideasman
Ай бұрын
An extremely well dressed and informative conversation. Many of the points raised struck a cord with me and resonated perfectly with the unfortunate situation we are facing across the country. Also, you all presented new information that has forever changed my outlook on certain aspects of said climate. Kudos team, keep up the great work and thank you.
@TorstigHjalmr
26 күн бұрын
"Asylum seekers are not allowed to learn English" Rivkah Brown - that is factually completely untrue. Millions of pounds spent on ESOL classes. You seem to be spreading misinforamtion yourselves.
@sierrasukalski2133
Ай бұрын
Great conversation! Thank you for having it!
@johnslavin2270
Ай бұрын
Wars of the Roses is Royal English history not British. It predates the union of the crowns
@acousticsoundz1985
Ай бұрын
It doesnt say anything about Britain. It speak volumes about England.
@alingard1
Ай бұрын
yes, thank god there’s no racism in Scot, wales Ireland….
@staggabob
29 күн бұрын
Belfast is England is it?
@frankmorschner6803
Ай бұрын
3:27 Indeed, that “cancer we have known to have been growing years ago”… But cancer grows not just out of nothing. There are root causes for this growth. What has been done to treat that cancer? Or has everything been done to feed that cancer?
@CupOfSweetTea
Ай бұрын
That there are a lot of able bodied unemployed people looking for a reason to be violent
@dianabraley8307
Ай бұрын
Not over yet. It’s getting worse. I thought it would be over too- but there is deep grievance.
@Globaldave1970
Ай бұрын
Very deep.
@stephen_pfrimmer
Ай бұрын
Thoughtful discussion. Thank you Rivkah, Aaron, and Ash.
@faustoferrari4303
Ай бұрын
What are you? A Novara groupie?
@TheGinglymus
Ай бұрын
I've been saying this for years - the Americanisation of Britain is the loss of British culture, not immigration.
@Newton-Reuther
Ай бұрын
Britian is racist. Always has been and always will be. Just ask the British museum.
@ellismeah8110
Ай бұрын
@@Newton-Reuther Yet millions of migrants still want to come here and live
@andycooper6085
Ай бұрын
@@ellismeah8110 Historically having taken over their countries does play a bit part. They have links here.
@Globaldave1970
Ай бұрын
Compared to which country. Most countries are virtually ethnocentric and dont have to constantly deal with race identity politics.
@jeongbun2386
Ай бұрын
@@ellismeah8110 no shit, the more you cry…the more we’ll come 💀
@frishter
Ай бұрын
We're not forcing people to come. In fact we couldn't be clearer...
@mpg3946
Ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of Novara normally. But I thought this was a great honest discussion. Great job.
@SA-dt2cd
Ай бұрын
Navarro media is an independent media, and it is better than corporate media
@Nedchilvs
Ай бұрын
Why did it happen? Possibly because of criminal apologists like yourselves.
@CliffordMorris-ls9lc
Ай бұрын
If you crowd people in austerity conditions . Reduce public services to breaking point . Leave people to charities and food boxes etc. You should expect social unrest. Governments encouraging mass immigration whilst enforcing poverty conditions by their ruthless policies and using public money for wars rather than solve the UK deficits means rats ie humans in desperate situations will fight it out over limited resources. This is not racism but survival tactics . The government is totally to blame. The media just fans the flames for a good story. They are both wicked conspirators enjoying the mess they have created,
@slickperspective2745
Ай бұрын
Racism is taught. She is so right in the first one minute.
@reynard-fox
Ай бұрын
Perhaps. In my experience in school the muslim community separated themselves from an early age. I wasn't allowed in my best friends house and was ignored by his parents. I understand the need to do this to protect their culture as a minority group in a land where often the dominant values run in conflict to their own, but it doesn't lend itself very much to social cohesion and trust.
@seamusdoherty
Ай бұрын
Is stabbing children taught ?
@Friday..1.7
Ай бұрын
@reynard-fox Are you sure that friend you're talking about was musIm ? I ask because the surahs tell us to open our doors literally to non musIms. Or are you making up stuff ?
@Friday..1.7
Ай бұрын
@seamusdoherty ask lucy letby
@seamusdoherty
Ай бұрын
@@Friday..1.7 Yes that is beyond horrific, stop deflecting.
@bobjary9382
21 күн бұрын
Aarons comments about foreign policy are so importatnt. If America destabilises central and south America and prosecutes wars for the benefit of big corps usa, how can they be surprised when people flee to escape poverty death and misery ? Same in Asia and Europe ? Is there that much money preventing this even being discussed ?
@user-gf5qm9no8q
Ай бұрын
Dan Evans would be a good addition to this conversation
@roseannemain9957
Ай бұрын
I can't help feeling that when we talk about Britain you mainly mean England.
@alingard1
Ай бұрын
Are u really even suggesting that Scotland, wakes and Ireland don’t have a problem??? Jesus.
@stevegiles8019
Ай бұрын
I really enjoyed listening to this. One thing I really appreciate about Novara Media is the capacity for difference of opinion and nuance. I think it is really healthy.
@jethrowest439
29 күн бұрын
Wine bar in Dulwich vibes.
@jasonhaven7170
29 күн бұрын
This was an amazing discussion, I would like to see more videos like this
@user-ln9ft3qp1v
Ай бұрын
Your enemy does not arrive here in boats, they arrive here on private jets. Don't be fooled.
@user-wq9lb6vp2h
Ай бұрын
A national conversation is exactly what we need. So many don't feel listened to which gives ideologues rich pickings. Great conversation in this episode which was rich with ideas to chew over.
@billydyer7213
Ай бұрын
Rivkah Brown is spot on in her summation here 👌
@tt-ew7rx
26 күн бұрын
Culturally, we are the birthplace of modern football hooliganism.
@harrietp-s2158
Ай бұрын
This is a great episode! I was reflecting on Arons point about pride in a country, its culture and traditions etc, and I think this is where the there is the biggest divergence between, say English and Welsh culture. From my experiences, Welsh people have so much more positive pride towards their culture and country. So many more positive associations with nature, beauty and the language. So for me this is where it boils down to, specifically, a problem with English identity.
@RK-um9tu
Ай бұрын
Love how people today use "racism" instead of things you can actually fix: employment discrimation housing discrimation education discrimation
@utterlybutterly
Ай бұрын
A few years ago I was in marble arch and saw old granny spewing racism and islamophobia to her teenage grandson as she watched Muslims in marble arch, he was silently listening
@sasha_something
Ай бұрын
I think they say more about England than Britain as a whole, since England is the only country in Britain that saw any rioting.
@aries6776
5 сағат бұрын
That's where the organisers targeted. And there were certainly riots in Northern Ireland. And it was carefully targeted because they didn't riot anywhere with large Muslim populations that would have fought back.
@MariaNI-yf1bz
29 күн бұрын
Thamk you. As a second generation in a Europeam country i have a hard time to talk to others about "our" chalenges, its kinda of a taboo. This is a very important subject. Thank you.
@johnslavin2270
Ай бұрын
Is this conversation about Britain or England? Aaron's conversation seems to use the words to mean the same?
@dannthenitroman
Ай бұрын
Lefties literally do not believe there is a difference between ethnicity and nationality. Legal status vs homeland.
@fanfayer
Ай бұрын
I Think you guys had a great debate illuminated a kaleidoscope of ideas grateful for the intellect and nuance very rarely voiced
@wideberth5941
Ай бұрын
And yet not one single mention of the detrimental effect of private education on social cohesion.
@TorstigHjalmr
26 күн бұрын
Ash - "the establishment is against immigration". What about the need of big business for cheap labour? Do you know what you are talking about at all?
@paulinebradleysoundinspira6981
Ай бұрын
People are frightened, they take their fear and anger out on "the other" as they see it.
@faustoferrari4303
Ай бұрын
That's just an empty cliche.
@faustoferrari4303
Ай бұрын
@@rezza_lynsaii They usually take their anger and fear out on whatever provoked their anger and fear. Quite a few people I know idealise 'the other', I daresay you and the original poster probably do so.
@rezza_lynsaii
Ай бұрын
@@faustoferrari4303 Fear and Anger go both ways. You making no sense tbh.
@faustoferrari4303
Ай бұрын
@@rezza_lynsaii I can't help it if you can't follow a quite simple idea. I've no idea what you mean by 'go both ways' , do you mean fear and anger are bi-sexual?
@FrothingFoulness
Ай бұрын
@@rezza_lynsaiigood luck
@SimonGraves-vb2dz
Ай бұрын
Um let's see Kiera starmer wants to build another 1.5million homes during their term but here's the thing in parliament just recently it's projected we'll have another 9 million immigrants by 2030 which is the population of London currently so you tell me what the problem is on that front
@chester6343
Ай бұрын
There is literally not a chance in hell they get close to 1.5 million homes
@Zoroaster1996
Ай бұрын
@@chester6343 Maybe if the 9 million are all builders.
@erikdalna211
Ай бұрын
It’s projected by whom? The current immigration rates are nowhere near that high.
@nr68-68
Ай бұрын
Thank you for this program. Please can you make at least one regular program over the weekend as I cannot bear to watch msm any more. Novara Media’s absence on weekends was really felt last weekend.
@shaz7132
Ай бұрын
Listening to Ash talk with glee about her area taking on the far right,( I assume violently) makes me believe that this Country can only get worse, these three are becoming political strangers.
@-bret
Ай бұрын
Yeah, I've been a long-term watcher and there are many cracks showing.
@calzonelover3950
28 күн бұрын
What? Timestamp?
@HipsterChipster
26 күн бұрын
Yes, in the past she's also expressed glee at the prospect of White British becoming a minority. It seems her offensive position is far more racist than the defensive one taken up by the targets of her contempt.
@Mohlinder92
Ай бұрын
This was amazing you guys. Love the discussion and the debate. You really got great ideas and nuance to a very simplified and black and white discourse. You earned my subscription! even If I'm not from UK . Lol
@mariemcgowan-irving6156
Ай бұрын
The points about architecture were actually really interesting because you do see these beautifully preserved towns in France and Spain and in the UK we seem to slap a car park and supermarket onto every one of these. I think we have the phenomenon of NIMBYs as people to mock going back to the 80s but some of what they said was valid and the drive to monetise has meant that we are stuck with car parks where they shouldn't be. I think as well that public spaces within cities - things like squares and rest areas - have been subject to policies that push us away from that kind of public socialising and into places like pubs and coffee shops. Limited seating, uncomfortable seating, lack of bins, generally not keeping them in a decent state or imposing modern architecture into historic areas has meant a decline in the use of the places where you would talk to neighbours. I live in a small town where a lot of people talk about community but very few people do anything about building one!
@freebornaiden7666
29 күн бұрын
We have well preserved towns here too. It's just that Spain and France have more old towns than us. The reality is that planning and protection laws are far, far more strict in the UK than they are in France. The French think little of ripping up an old street to widen it for roads or trams.
@Samsgarden
15 күн бұрын
Do you think that immigration precipitates demographic shifts and structural changes to society - especially proponents of Islam? Putting the racism aside for a moment, you would have to concede this point.
@arraiacc
Ай бұрын
Fantastic discussion! I Felt similarly watching how the Canadian government de-banked the participants of the Trucker protests of 2022 during the Covid lockdowns; it was a missed opportunity to facilitate a conversation. Well done Novara.
@JackxJewell
6 күн бұрын
Calling Jordan Peterson ‘far right’ - have you left the planet?
@goalposthead79
Ай бұрын
please stop labelling everyone with illegal immigration concerns as far right and racist.
@kmaggs7804
Ай бұрын
I know. These labels are so tedious.
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
Ай бұрын
They didn't. They were careful to separate the sentiment from the politicised performance of nationalism, which is itself divided between ethnic and civic nationalism. Ethnic are the racists, whereas civic are not prioritising race.
@darksaint0124
Ай бұрын
I've never understood why so many leftists fight on the ground created by the far right. It is seriously annoying to have everyone talking about politics taking right wing framing at face value.
@chrisbennett6260
Ай бұрын
South Africa has illegal inmigration concerns there was accusations of racism labeled there to largely well you work it out
@chrisbennett6260
Ай бұрын
@@kmaggs7804 not if your on the receiving end of violence it isnt pal
@williamquick623
Ай бұрын
The French village ball game sounds a lot like the game of "Fives" played across rural Britain on the 18th and 19th centuries, which was also played off the walls of Churches (often leaving archeological remains we can still see today. My own neck of the woods - Somerset - was a hotbead for it).
@jimdotcom1972
Ай бұрын
feel like you should invite a actual self aware racist on a panel like this rather than just talk amongst yourselves. given that this is clearly a race relations issue you probably need to understand the other side.
@Orlando-qj7bh
Ай бұрын
a 'self aware racist'?? talk about a paradox lmao
@jimdotcom1972
Ай бұрын
@@Orlando-qj7bh how is it? just that you don't think they exist?
@Orlando-qj7bh
Ай бұрын
@@jimdotcom1972 racism is an irrational belief. If they were self aware they'd be aware that it's irrational and stop believing in racist ideas, and therefore not be racist. so yeah I don't think self aware racists exist
@crayontom9687
Ай бұрын
@@Orlando-qj7bhyes, good point, as soon as you unpick racism and study the reasons for why it exists, it folds in on itself
@jimdotcom1972
Ай бұрын
@@Orlando-qj7bh i'm sure racists don't think racism is irrational. preservation is a widespread belief, that they apply it to people probably isn't much of a leap. its more that they value something you don't.
@pinkharrier47
29 күн бұрын
Why don't you approach the issue from another direction: Japan has an homogenous population that is ageing and declining. Would you recommend a multiracial and multicultural immigration policy for the next 70 years? If so, what examples would impress the Japanese? If not, why not?
@johnslavin2270
Ай бұрын
I live in the Scottish Highlands. There's more than 'trinkets' of culture here but it can't be called English culture.
@tomg268
Ай бұрын
So many people dont realise there is an NHS surcharge and migrants working in the UK are paying TWICE for the NHS (through the surcharge and national insurance), having had all their vaccines elsewhere and being of working age when you dont need to use the NHS often. Whenever my fiancee tells British people how much she had to pay for the surcharge and visa they are shocked!
@allancurrie9472
Ай бұрын
The headline to start of this podcast is so wrong its not brittish, it's not uk , it's England actually
@manchester.misfit6297
Ай бұрын
Nice to hear Novara Media Dad gently coaxing his two hysterical teenage daughters towards sanity
@greenbeech3055
Ай бұрын
There are 7 billion poor people in the world. They cannot all fit in Europe.
@user-fq2dw3ri7d
Ай бұрын
Source: It was revealed to me in a dream
@FRU.No.1
Ай бұрын
Yeah your a little off there buddy. Last report by the UNDP 2023 had 1.1bn of 6.1bn people covered in the report being classifed as multidimensionally poor. I think the daily mail/Gbeebies comments section might fit your intellect better.
@selmaunsley6683
Ай бұрын
You don’t ask why are 7 billion people poor?
@jeongbun2386
Ай бұрын
Fearmongering to the sun
@jeongbun2386
Ай бұрын
@@selmaunsley6683because they care more about the fact theyre brown
@Bedtimechums
Ай бұрын
Terrific, constructive conversation, which in turn has led to some really constructive comments from others. More of this, please.
@mana3735
Ай бұрын
I live in Salford amongst many immigrant families. People round here have come to realise that they're actually good neighbours. Better than many of the noisy local families at times. Yet we get told they don't "integrate" or whatever. Or that we don't mix. Or that the community spirit has gone. It's all bllx.
@paulm8715
Ай бұрын
You live in la la communist land have a walk around longsight Levenshulme Rusholme tell me they look like anywhere British
@mana3735
Ай бұрын
@@paulm8715 Yeah. I used to live down there too. Multicultural neighbourhoods. It's been like that in South Manc for over 50 years now, mate. It says more about the actual person if they can't handle that.
@b00ts4ndc4ts
Ай бұрын
I come from Bradford and see it very differently. In my time I have seen the town centre get smashed to bits, buildings and car getting burnt out. Some areas the police and fire brigade get stoned when attending call outs. You world is very different to mine.
@perrin6
Ай бұрын
British people are dying of shame and hopelessness, the riots are the writhing agonies of a dying civilisation.
@b00ts4ndc4ts
Ай бұрын
@@perrin6 history tells us that in times of adversity and when all looks doomed, the British always rise like lion's, we have been here for 100s of year and are still standing. It's best not to underestimate us people have always come unstuck when they have written us off.
@jessd4048
Ай бұрын
Observation as a Canadian with Italian heritage- there’s something very ‘english’ here & in the US which has given rise to the sort of ‘filled pool politics’ discussed. A particular strain of parsimoniousness we can see across the Anglosphere. There is a real disdain for having nice things which ‘undeserving others’ might also enjoy.
@clive-live
Ай бұрын
State Monopoly-Capitalism with a Liberal Democratic Ideology Example Managerial Capitalism and the Neoconservatives
@TorstigHjalmr
26 күн бұрын
Rivkah - "colourful convincing answers to their problems" when discussing anything on the right. Again, you're dismissing millions and millions of people's views.
@klthx-1138
Ай бұрын
Why has this happened after the murder of three young girls and the attempted murder of others? - The bombing of the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester - The attempted murder of a soldier in Kent a few weeks ago - The murder of fusilier Lee Rigby - The Westminster Bridge car and knife murders - The murder of MP Sir David Amis - The London Bridge terror attack - The Burrough Market terror attack - The murders of three gay men in Reading - The July 7th bombings in London - The teacher in Batley now in hiding after teaching about the Charlie Hebdo cartoons and subsequent murders - The schoolboy requiring his mother and the police to beg for forgiveness after he scuffed a Koran - The systematic rapes of white English girls in Rochdale, Rotherham, Telford etc - The murder of a pensioner “for Gaza” - Hizbut Tahrir calling for jihad in London And ultimately, for being labelled as “far right” and “racist” for calling out these events.
@Midnyte-l1q
Ай бұрын
@@klthx-1138 He WASN'T A MUSLIM
@jonathankay8079
Ай бұрын
@@Midnyte-l1q We don’t know that. His parents were Christian but as Ash says he could have changed his faith. Why take a taxi miles from your house to kill innocent girls dancing. Key words innocent girls dancing. What does it say about girls dancing in the Koran?
@jonathankay8079
Ай бұрын
@ kithnx-1138 nicely put together. Food for thought. I am in the business of understanding even if the answer to the problem isn’t one that do-gooders like to hear. People with lived experience and common sense should be respected more and not labelled as far right racists. I live in Italy and it is well understood here “ when in Rome do as the Romans.” We don’t have these racial tensions for the moment.
@Midnyte-l1q
Ай бұрын
@@jonathankay8079 Yeah, a tautological statement, what a brilliant argument(!) "We don't know, he could be a martian who's addicted to shredded wheat".
@jonathankay8079
29 күн бұрын
@@Midnyte-l1q How is what I commented a tautological statement? We only have facts to go on in order to understand the situation. We don’t know for a fact what his religion is but what we do know are the events which took place before the killings and it wasn’t a random attack, it was planned. So make of that what you will. Are you American?
@andrewlim9345
27 күн бұрын
Watching from New Zealand. Liked how your talk tackled the issue about the rate of immigration and the clash between ethnic and civic nationalism.
@roberthorne9597
Ай бұрын
It's all very simple, Britishness is Capitalism, we grew it, we exported it, our history with the world explained by it, our internal problems explained by it... March of history is real ;) And the outcome is a culture-less society focused on production, producing focus at the cost of leisure and charging for leisure at the cost of life. We are an advanced capitalist nation.
@Abbale
Ай бұрын
@@roberthorne9597 you disgust me.
@eugenedusauzay9468
Ай бұрын
This isn't just only an online phenomenon this is what allot of these people have always been like, from 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s to now, poverty and yes social media, News paper and TV/media and a corrupt racist political system has awaken them
@EamonCoyle
Ай бұрын
Ash, Aaron and Rivkah together; that is how you stand up to far-right racists !!
@chrisbennett6260
Ай бұрын
no cause they were talking waffle for the most part
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