I really appreciate your level-headed approach to this. God bless and keep up the great work!
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, and for watching!
@FrJohnBrownSJ
Ай бұрын
What's crazy is that an empowered team of people planned this all, knowing dang well that this would offend Christians deeply. They didn't care. They wanted that. And they knew they wouldn't suffer any consequences for that in our culture.
@teezzmegee972
Ай бұрын
There will be consequences, just ones that we will never expect....
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Sadly, they certainly knew this would be offensive to Christians. It was deliberate. Their kitsch mockery wasn't even a good one. I pray for their souls, and that we would all open our eyes.
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Btw, Father, it's good to hear from you. I enjoy seeing you online, and hope anyone who watches my vids will check out your vids. I'll pray for you tonight!
@FrJohnBrownSJ
Ай бұрын
@@rogermaxson2512 thank you! I like your take on things as well. Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam
@yankeecitygirl
Ай бұрын
Thank you for praying for us.
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
I'm happy to do it! Thanks for watching!
@orboakin8074
Ай бұрын
When I was a kid in Nigeria in 2009, my dad once told me that the Olympics were dumb and losing their spirit. Now, I see what he meant. Utter garbage and just worthless den of corruption and toxic identity politics. I will not be watching this filth🤮
@paultyrrell9497
Ай бұрын
You are fantastic bless you
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, and for taking time to watch!
@AuraDawn_Health
Ай бұрын
I'm glad I missed the ceremonies. I'm not surprised this happened. What did it even have to do with Olympic games? (rhetorical question). It's sad, really for those that took part in it. Viva Cristo Rey!
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
It was so bad, it seems even some in the LGBTQ movement are condemning it. May God give our civilization clear eyes.
@ruthmaryrose
Ай бұрын
Very well said. I won’t be watching.
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Thanks for taking time to watch the vid! Have a great one!
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Btw, I prayed for you :)
@ruthmaryrose
Ай бұрын
@@rogermaxson2512 Thank you. 🙏
@garyworth6046
Ай бұрын
Upon further reflection, I left out an aspect of this from my prior comment here, and would like to add it now. Believe me, I am no bleeding heart liberal, but do try to consider both mercy and justice in my judgements. My judgement here is that a strong oral condemnation of this message and act from organized Christian sources should occur. However, I add now that the Catholic Church (unfortunately, not most other denominations) professes a "love the sinner, hate the sin" approach to these misguided people. Perhaps the church can profess this message more strongly and with some explanation, in an effort to send the message more loudly to these people that the church does not ostracize them. In other words, we as the church can do more. (I exclude other denominations since most of them change with to social whims, now allowing gay marriage and ordination of women, though they could adopt our theological way as well.) AND, by the way, I read that a power blackout hit Paris last night, and only a Catholic shrine on a hill remained lit. What a pretty sight! Do not mock God.
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Yes, I really do think kindness and genuine charity, but with moral firmness, is needed in today's cultural mud. Clarity with charity (man, I didn't know I was a poet! jk jk). A lot of Evangelical Christians (Even Andy Stanley) have come out and voiced opposition to what happened. I hope we do so in charity, but I really do think Christians, including leadership, would do well to voice dissent. It's not about being cruel to minorities, but about protecting the sacred and from those clearly trying to denigrate it. Lord, have mercy. I appreciated Bishop Barron saying something about it in the US. I think French Catholic leadership did as well. Hope you're doing well, Gary!
@pheebsbee1280
Ай бұрын
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@vaudou74
Ай бұрын
so a painting (the feasts of the gods by bilgert) depecting greek gods at a table with a kid with wings and dyonysos (not blue) at the front for an olympic event is less credible than the last supper.... especially when the artistic creator DID say the last supper was not his insipiration, when u want to be offended, u will find any reasons to be....
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Alternately, when a virtually naked grown man was expressing sexuality... and a child was there... I'm not sure why we aren't all a little offended.
@garyworth6046
Ай бұрын
It seems to me that throughout history, Christians have been easy targets in society. So have Jews. It's enough for individuals to post opinions of their disgust at these displays, but I think there need to be an interdenominational organization to issue a strongly worded reply of truth, and correct such people. The response also needs to be fairly timely. While it is purely a charitable organization and would not get involved in this, an organization like the International Organization of Christians and Jews could serve such purpose. I find it telling that when synagogues and attacked or defaced, local priests, bishops and cardinals are the first to contact the target temple and offer support and sympathy. Outspoken support needs to come from some organization. Speaking truth to untruth is not an escalation of tensions, but a statement of truth. All I can say is we can take a page from our cousins and religious ancestors, the Jews, in this.
@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2
Ай бұрын
Jews burned 5 Christian churches in Israel, including the oldest church in the Levant. (in the last 20 years) And killed tens of thousands of Christian's in Syria and Lebanon. Taking a page of them is a call to violence and hatred toward ALL other religions, really wanna copy that? Lastly, when 34 churches where burned in Canada, NOT A WORD OF SUPPORT from Canadian Jews. We have to help them, but they will NEVER/RARELY protect or help us, not even offers support (with some rare exceptions). All and all, one of the worse religion to get inspiration from. Except they sure do defend their own religion vehemently.
@user-ls8ks7kv8c
Ай бұрын
As a Muslim, I am utterly outraged at this disgusting, defamatory, and degenerate display and indeed mockery of one of the most seminal moments in human history and am boycotting these Olympics. This cannot be tolerated. Enough is enough and Christians really need to grow a backbone because this evil is spreading globally because of American influence.
@user-ls8ks7kv8c
Ай бұрын
The reason why this happens against Christianity and not Islam is because we (Muslims) simply do not allow this to happen no matter how many times they try to subvert us, may God Almighty continue to strengthen us. Evil spreads when good people do and say nothing. Whereas unfortunately so many Christians are gaslit by their pastors to always be meek and turn the other cheek and simply pray for the group spreading evil, ignoring all of the other verses in the Bible and even a decent portion of Christian history.
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Yes, I'm afraid too many in modernity have taken Christ's true teachings of "turn to them the other cheek also", to mean something it didn't: be ideological pacifists and let bullies run over everyone else. This is certainly not what He meant. Truth and goodness are worth standing for. Thanks for watching, as always! I hope you're doing well. I will pray for you tonight.
@user-ls8ks7kv8c
Ай бұрын
@@rogermaxson2512Thank you for continuing to put out important and thought-provoking videos. And I know I owe you a couple of response, I was out of the country for some weeks and you certainly deserve well-thought out responses out of respect for your learning and the time that you take to make these videos and write thoughtful responses. And I appreciate you and hope all is well with you and the family, God bless you all
@randombro89
Ай бұрын
your religion is too aggressive and it’s causing many young people to leave Islam one and four people are abandoning their religion so I don’t think that your way is better. people see Islam as a religion of hate, not only can you not be bothered to tolerate your enemies? You can’t even tolerate your neighbor or someone who believes slightly different from you Christianity teaches you to love your enemies and people to the faith what are you like to admit it or not secularism is spreading it’s because as long as aggressive. Not all Christians are doormats but the only reason people don’t mock islam is because they don’t want to be threatened by bombs. How is that good?
@randombro89
Ай бұрын
The South Park creators wanted to criticize Muslim terrorism. They were forced to stop because they got a bomb threat. This is why they don’t mess with you. It’s not because you’re doing something right it’s because you threatened terror.
@randombro89
Ай бұрын
God is not strengthen you more and more people are abandoning Islam because of your aggression and hatefulness and smugness.
@Holilo7
Ай бұрын
You Americans are such cultural and art philistines. Take a look: Jan van Bijlert, Le Festin de Dieux/Feast of the gods from 1635. But when it comes to being offended, you're the best!
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Hi There! Of course, it isn't just Americans (or even just Christians) that found the piece in poor taste. But setting aside whether or not it was only a portrayal of Bacchus or a blending of Da Vinci and paganism... I hope we can agree that adults nearly nude in sexualizing manner ( (who in later interviews said we should have remained "naked") is something that children shouldn't be involved in. There were children on stage and watching. Yes, I do find this offensive. As should we all. Have a peaceful day!
@Holilo7
Ай бұрын
@@rogermaxson2512 But that wasn't the issue, Your outrage was at the mockery of Christianity. That's probably no longer the case, is it? Look at this picture. By the way, the one with the halo is the Greek sun god.
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the response. Yes, I would say both elements are very much problematic. This was clearly a blending of kitsch, drag, Bacchus festivity, and Da Vinci. It's not one or the other, friend. While Jolly has since said it wasn't inspired by Da Vinci, some of the actors have confirmed it was an element (though some of their social media posts have since been deleted for obvious reasons). The way they're sitting at the table is obviously a kitsch subversion of da Vinci, blended with the other elements mentioned. (I'm familiar with the art you were kind enough to share). And yet... I can't fathom how decent people, whatever side of the ideological aisle they're on... are defending this sexualization in front of children. No, I can't understand that. It was in poor taste. I don't find that most of the people I've met from the non-Western world (be it Africa, Asia, etc) find this in good taste.
@Holilo7
Ай бұрын
@@rogermaxson2512 Bacchus?😂...is Roman! ...philistines! Don't you think you should post a rebuttal? So that your heart remains without sin and you don't have to live with a lie?
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Yes, in backing away from any association with da Vinci, people involved have used the Greek and Roman names (almost interchangeably). Not sure what you're getting at here... But I do find it ironic you mention Philistine, as it would likely be a Philistine who would gloss over or defend grown men sexualizing themselves in front of children. :) And then feel somehow superior. This conversation seems to have reached the end of its utility. I do wish you a peaceful day!
@yankeecitygirl
Ай бұрын
I respectfully disagree. That spectacle is an act of freedom. They are free to be offensive. And we are free to reject the Olympics and alli its pompous irrelevance. I agree with you that it takes away from the athletes but, have any of them spoken out? Their coaches or any of their supporters team?
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Thanks for this reasonable comment! It was certainly freedom on the sense Sartre meant. I'm not sure it was freedom in the good sense. I'm not saying the modern governments should "outlaw" things like this. But I think there's more to freedom than this. Regardless, I genuinely wish them well, and have prayed for them several times. Thanks very much for your (very reasonable) disagreement! Take care!
@paultyrrell9497
Ай бұрын
They are indeed free to be offensive that doesn’t mean they are right.
@sarahcrosby1549
Ай бұрын
Not sure exactly what happened, but the illogical things you say are pretty obvious. Christianty is not under attack. But distortion of it is.
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Hi Sarah! I appreciate you watching. Would you mind sharing what you found illogical specifically?
@sarahcrosby1549
Ай бұрын
@@rogermaxson2512Sir, I likewise appreciate your reading comments and asking for some dialogue. In general, I appreciated your air of calm in both the video and the headline, given the hysteria that is so pervasive on KZitem, even on posts with the content of which I tend to agree. Unfortunately, I have not seen the clip, not having watched the opening ceremonies and now being unable to find this part of them. So all I’ve seen is a few still photos and some written descriptions, which made it sound to me like artistically bad performance art. What strikes me most as illogical is your assumption about the motives of those who put on this display. You seem to assume that they think as your view of the world tells you they would, rather than trying to imagine a different perspective. Often people do want to express and receive acceptance for their “identity”, or an aspect of it. But it’s not clear that this was what the performance was meant to achieve. As an American, I was prepared to see what they did as about oppression. Until I saw your video, it hadn’t occurred to me that it was specifically about individual identity, and I don’t agree. Like any art, its intent is open to interpretation, and I think that considering that fact is logical. But apparently we were both wrong in believing what we'd read: it's not about da Vinci's painting at all, but one of an ancient Greek Bacchanal. This makes much more sense, given a broader perspective on history of both the world and the Olympics. Right now, I'm more than ever convinced that this spectacle was a good example of bad performance art. It's especially inappropriate for something, such as the Olympics, which celebrates and honors endeavors that require tremendous self discipline and a healthy lifestyle. But that's just my opinion. It's not in keeping with every doctrine of any organized religion I know of, but I can't agree that it's an attack on Christianity. Best to you, Sir.
@rogermaxson2512
Ай бұрын
Hi Sarah, Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts (and for the kind words. Back at you!). I think we, at least in part, agree. Yes, certainly Bacchus was an element of the skit (though I maintain, as said in the video, that several aesthetic elements were present... drag, kitsch, and clearly inspiration from DaVinci.) If I understood your meaning, you felt that the bit likely had something to do with oppression? If that's the case, we're not far apart on it. The expression of identity against institutions and traditions that don't accept marginalized behaviors or peoples is very connected to contemporary views of oppression. I see why you think I might have assumed their intention. For what it's worth, this type of thinking is very common now, and stems from Foucault (History of Sexuality), Derrida (marginalized groups), Sartre (a post-modern, culturally marxist view of freedom against the super-structure), and even queer gender theorists like Judith Butler. With respect, it isn't so much an assumption as it is listening and reading what the movement's ideological founders have said (and listening to lots of people in the movement, who express those ideas frequently). But I understand you might not agree! At the very least, we can agree that it was bad art. Ha Ha. You're spot on, I think, that it was inappropriate in a celebration of the Olympics. Thankfully, the coverage is going more and more now to the athletes and less to this art in poor taste. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts, and for the polite conversation, Sarah. I enjoyed it! Do take care of yourself.
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