"Why did jet powered trains never take off" sounds like a good thing to me, if it takes off then it's just a missile.
@dorsk84
Ай бұрын
Jet powered train that flys..... sounds alot like Deception Astrotrain
@thomascriviera5779
Ай бұрын
Ah dammit you were here first with that XD But glad to see I am not the only sassy/funny sarcastic one here XD And boy yours is good, I already forgot mine
@M3PH11
Ай бұрын
i mean, it could have just been coz of the lack of wings but what do i know
@vinniepeterss
Ай бұрын
😂
@kazefw3834
Ай бұрын
LMAO
@EvanG529
Ай бұрын
I love how most of these videos are like "This vehicle used a very unique aerodynamic phenomenon to fly" but this one is just "they strapped a jet to it"
@hrunchtayt1587
Ай бұрын
Tiny (huge) correction, the engines were taken from a decommissioned B-36 and not a B-58.
@usualsuspectsgarage
Ай бұрын
i heard this in trumps voice
@hrunchtayt1587
Ай бұрын
@@usualsuspectsgarage real
@Dimapur
Ай бұрын
Lives rent free @@usualsuspectsgarage
@ABrit-bt6ce
Ай бұрын
B-58 had re-heat, that would have been spectacular.
@bratpet
Ай бұрын
That's a massive error
@natehill8069
Ай бұрын
I love the efficiency of having a jet engine blasting 400 degree exhaust right into the air conditioners.
@Grommitmug
Ай бұрын
MMM, Pure oven train
@DounutCereal
Ай бұрын
Even better is that blister on the roof of the Budd cars (or most railmotors/railcars/DMU's) is just the radiators for the engines, so you'd just have the hot jet exhaust cooking down through the roof with no climate control at all
@robertkiefer2030
Ай бұрын
Oh, come on! The speed of the train would have kept things cool. :P ;D
@doylethomason6015
Ай бұрын
Two J47 turbojet engines were mounted outboard of the three Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major piston engines on each wing of the B-36 - that's where they came from
@natehill8069
Ай бұрын
I kept wondering what they were talking about thats clearly a B-36 dual engine pod.
@doylethomason6015
Ай бұрын
@@natehill8069 right ? I had to stop mid video , go confirm , type my comment then keep watching lol .
@natehill8069
Ай бұрын
@@daveogarf "Feather six!" "Which six?"
@madmax2069
Ай бұрын
@@daveogarf"two turning, two burning, two smoking, two choking and two more unaccounted for"
@chriskortan1530
Ай бұрын
That engine pod looks an awful lot like the one used on the B-36D, not the B-58. An internet check shows this to be the case.
@DanielMartin-eq2kk
Ай бұрын
He literally has the book from the head engineer of the project I highly doubt the man that built it is wrong.
@chriskortan1530
Ай бұрын
@@DanielMartin-eq2kk try again. All you needed to do was look it up.
@Jaggerbush
Ай бұрын
@@DanielMartin-eq2kkyou said this in another post and were corrected. He's made similar mistakes before. Idkw you can't imagine he misspoke.
@paulholmes672
Ай бұрын
Plus, the B-58 used J79 engines, NOT J47's. The B-58 was NOT surplus until 1970, 4 years after this timeframe. And yes, that is a B-36 paired engine pod with drag louvers. My question is, how the heck did the thing back up, reverse?
@th3_0rc83
Ай бұрын
How to make something faster? Put a jet engine on it Not fast enough? Put two jet engines on it
@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
Ай бұрын
The NYC is not called the New York City railroad. It's the New York *Central*.
@paulhunter1735
Ай бұрын
The J-47's were installed in their original pods from a surplus B-36 bomber. The B-58 had four J-79 after burning turbojets that were much more powerful than the J-47 even without the afterburner.
@Borsuk988
Ай бұрын
The rock thats on the rail: im boutta end this train whole career
@merafirewing6591
Ай бұрын
Wouldn't that rock get vaporized?
@RedBeardTheFirst
Ай бұрын
@@merafirewing6591more like atomized
@merafirewing6591
Ай бұрын
@@RedBeardTheFirst yeah if anything, the rock is going to get his career rocked.
@Borsuk988
Ай бұрын
@@merafirewing6591 i see wat u did there
@merafirewing6591
Ай бұрын
@@Borsuk988 lel.
@owenjones9659
Ай бұрын
then engines are from a b-36 peacemaker
@robertdragoff6909
Ай бұрын
I was wondering why the engine housing didn’t look quite right for a B58
@fi11222
Ай бұрын
I am pretty sure that the engines are not from a B-58 but from a B-36. The mounting looks exactly the same as those found on the B-36D onwards. Also, in one picture of your video, one sees that the jets have can-type combustors, which the B-58's J-79s did not have (they had more advanced annular combustors instead), but the B-36's J-47s did have. Finally, in one picture showing the salvaged engines before mounting, one can still see the intake shutter panels that allowed the B-36 to turn off its Jet engines in cruise (for fuel economy) and rely only on its 6 radials instead. Nice video as always.
@maxmachac9756
Ай бұрын
*Somewhere in the USA* "So hear me out, we will strap jet engines to a New York Metro rail car" "Genious! Youre getting a bonus!"
@Xg4531YT
Ай бұрын
Genius***
@Harrier1982
Ай бұрын
That ‘record’ in 1893 was never authenticated which if they wanted to they could have with a Dynamometer car. They based this record on using a stopwatch and the distance between miles posts and not with actual measuring equipment.
@mattheuston9363
Ай бұрын
And? You wanna say that time tables were off? There’s a margin of error with just about everything.
@t1m3f0x
Ай бұрын
The Black Beetle wasn't a prototype, it was an experimental engine. New York Central was never going to put jet propelled trains into revenue earning service, this was only ever an experiment to test the viability of high speed rail before making any commitment to the development of a conventionally propelled high speed rail vehicle. And the jet engines were from a B-36 not a B-58. Also Penn Central didn't abandon high speed rail, they just went with the Budd Metroliner which was already in production. And had already started being delivered to the Pennsylvania Railroad before the merger.
@PlaneSaddles
Ай бұрын
Looks like the engine pod is from a B-36.
@tflemming287
Ай бұрын
Yeah. Saying the engines are from a B-58 is categorically incorrect. Different engine completely.
@VetoPowers
Ай бұрын
Maybe the inboard pair of J -47’s from the B-47. Definitely not the B-58’s J-79. Disappointing for a normally good product
@PlaneSaddles
Ай бұрын
True, I don't know how I forgot about the pods on the B-47.
@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
Ай бұрын
I would not refer to railroads during the 1960s as have a monopoly, as they had lost their monopoly on transport decades earlier.
@Austriantrainguy
Ай бұрын
Japan: Let´s build a highly aerodynamic high speed train that changes rail travel. France: Let´s build something that could compedte with airplanes similar to what japan built and embarres the brithish. Britain: We´re too broke to build a highspeed railline so let´s build a crappy train that leans into curvs but the leaning mechanism will make the passengers sick and break, then we will sell the patent to italy, see them improove it, get jeluos and buy it back. Sounds good, doesn´t it. Germany: Let´s build a huge diesel train that consumes ungodly ammounts of electricity while not being in service(TEE Trans Europa Express). East Germany: What´s luxury and highspeed?????? Merica: Yall think a bit: railcar + jet engine = FREEDOOOOOOOM!
@302ci1968
Ай бұрын
Very good summary ! (You forgot Ze Germanz...)
@Austriantrainguy
Ай бұрын
@@302ci1968 Sry, couldn´t think of anything better.
@AusKipper1
Ай бұрын
Australia: an average speed of 80kmh will be plenty for our trains, after all we are a very very small country with no massive expanses of desert or anything...
@302ci1968
Ай бұрын
@@AusKipper1 excellent ;)
@302ci1968
Ай бұрын
In Belgium, as in France, we have very very fast trains. It's to compensate the DAYS long strikes every year. Usually at the precise moment people try/hope to go on holiday. So, on average, we should take strikes into account. And Japan would win again !!!!
@kiwitihi4606
Ай бұрын
Freebird Solo is legally required to ride on this train.
@themuffincat
Ай бұрын
The song keeps playing from the starting train station to the end
@ATomRileyA
Ай бұрын
It was a great era for trying new and crazy things so much optimism , One of the biggest downsides would have been the noise, diesel trains are pretty loud as they are with two jet engines on them it would have been deafening. Be like having a low flying jet go past each time. Still shame it was not rebuilt and ran again or at least in a museum.
@unclenogbad1509
Ай бұрын
Actually, it never ever stood a chance of being put to practical use, but even knowing that, man, I would have killed for the chance to work on such a project! Fun, or what? Whatever the positives or negatives of the engineering, the jet wash would have destroyed anything sitting trackside. Loved your animations, but look at the telephone lines running alongside and imagine how many split seconds they would survive as it passed.
@ShermanBoi
Ай бұрын
Thank you for doing a video about this. It was much needed! I am fascinated by trains, especially the weird ones!
@sparky4878
Ай бұрын
Vickers Viscount, the s in Viscount is silent.
@alexandermora8746
Ай бұрын
Okay am I tripping because last night I was just thinking about the picture of an abandoned train with two jets on the back what the hellllll
@ABrit-bt6ce
Ай бұрын
Thunderbirds flashback :)
@__-fm5qv
Ай бұрын
Another thing not mentioned in this video, those jet engines are loud! Can you imagine it pulling away from a train station just how deafening that would be due to the proximity of you on the platform to the jet engines on the train. It would give some people perminant hearing damage.
@magicblockcraft
Ай бұрын
I would say a video about trains that are a mobile base would be awesome too! Great vid so far ❤❤❤
@JLAvey
Ай бұрын
Leaving on a jet train-- I'm still waiting to catch the first train to the moon.
@bombaya85
Ай бұрын
But, jet powered trains did take off... We just identifiy them as planes
@lolololo-cx4dp
Ай бұрын
Not really, plane has many inconvenience
@talpatv512
Ай бұрын
Planes need too much space, are unconveniant and just a pollution hazard, America should be ashamed, Europe has a whole network of high-speed trains, that are cheap and get you anywhere, America ? Mostly cargo trains, lmao
@thefancydoge8668
Ай бұрын
@talpatv512 rails use land too, planes only need a runway while trains need rails from point a to b, so trains actually use way more land than planes.
@lolololo-cx4dp
Ай бұрын
@@thefancydoge8668 that's true, but train are far better at carrying volumes, wether it's a cargo or passenger.
@earthlyfamily
Ай бұрын
I like how the jet powered black beetle was almost the same jet train from coilbook 9 years ago
@Grommitmug
Ай бұрын
Now imagine this, but with the engines of the SR71
@ultimatefreedom6283
Ай бұрын
😛😛😛😛😛😛ppornoooooooooo.........
@POUNCEMAN1
Ай бұрын
Best information I've heard about this train ,, Special Thanks for sharing
@jensenthegreen6780
Ай бұрын
that ending, heartbreaking :(
@kineticdeath
Ай бұрын
30k USD to build the prototype. Probably 30k USD to fuel it each run
@j.sterling9167
Ай бұрын
Jet engines were designed to work efficiently at high altitudes, this unit was on the ground. The main braking force on a jet aircraft is it's ability to reverse thrust after landing. they couldn't do it in this application. They were right about the signals needing to be upgraded as a train going nearly 200 MPH would require more stop time (even using cab signals). You can't begin to imagine the devastation that would occur should a collision happen at a railroad crossing. Another fact is this train would need nearly perfect tracks to operate on. If they thought the cost of jet fuel was high in the 60's, they could never afford to operate it now a days, at current fuel costs.
@jschudel777
2 күн бұрын
If concepts like this didn't succeed, how could a concept like Hyperloop, that's a 1000 fold more complex, ever succeed.
@TheLocomotiveEngineer
Ай бұрын
There's another train in this same vein that's right up your alley - the Soviets actually made a full jet-powered 7-unit trainset in the 1970's that was basically this, but bigger! It was called the SVL.
@jur4x
Ай бұрын
Yes, L standing for laboratory. They were testing performance of train cars that are not powered by internal means. A lot of that research data was later used for trains that would potentially reach 250kph under locomotive power. But in reality they ended up with distributed power just like everyone else.
@ricklehurst
Ай бұрын
The engines were from the Convair B-36 Peacemaker, not the Hustler. 🤦♂
@user-ss7jl8ze9q
Ай бұрын
Nick. Are you sure the jet engines were from a B-58? They look exactly like one of the engine pods from a B-47 turned upside down.
@herzogsbuick
Ай бұрын
ah yes, nice use of Practical Engineering's signature music, i doubt anyone will notice
@jonny_vdv
Ай бұрын
We did (sort of) get jet powered trains, with the turbine powered UAC TurboTrain and Bombardier LRC both being relatively successful, especially on the Quebec-Windsor corridor.
@mattheuston9363
Ай бұрын
I think you need to look at the Pennsylvania Railroad Duplexes. You’ll like them. Especially considering one has been said to have gone 150mph.
@yeoldeseawitch
Ай бұрын
the duplexes were an extremely stupid design
@mattheuston9363
Ай бұрын
@@yeoldeseawitch and? Are you saying that I’m stupid for liking them or since they are stupid and they shouldn’t be covered? They’re still an important part of history, and frankly, aren’t that bad. The S1 was the only one that was truly stupid due to size. The others were fairly good at hauling ass down to NYC with three broadway limited. Not to mention they are potentially faster than mallard.
@Aetherometricist
Ай бұрын
Based on all the corrections in the comments, you should take the video down and correct it to remove all references to the B-58, including all of the footage that you reused from the B-58 video. I'm curious how that got through research since it's such an easy fact to check.
@TrainTruck
Ай бұрын
The way it sounded like to also include into this there was also the part that other trains on the tracks would also get in the way for this to be fast and would need its own tracks. While also they didn't test it out on everything that comes down to it of what challenge trains with curves, bumps, and weight for if the jet train would be also having added carts onto it that it would reduce the speed.
@MrCaiobrz
Ай бұрын
It would never work, the noise of those turbines would be impossible to silence, and no city would allow that thing near it. If Jet-engines on trains were a good at all, other countries or even the US would eventually tried more. Obviously, fuel cost were probably major, specially now that most trains are electrical.
@almaarifonlinetv
Ай бұрын
The level of details is insane...
@Ethanmyertrains100
Ай бұрын
The next video a Milwaukee Road f7 streamlined steam locomotive trains for my found and explained very exciting.❤😊😊😊❤
@zh84
Ай бұрын
I can't help thinking that this must also have been HORRIBLY noisy. Nobody wants to live next to an airport, and there you only get noise from aircraft at take off and landing: most of the time they are thousands of feet up and the noise is barely detectable. This is a "jet" which would spend all its time on the ground.
@arrjay2410
Ай бұрын
Love your stories. One technical issue. The flickering film effect you use on the edges of the archival images, while a good visual cue about what we're watching, is irritating and distracting if you're watching on a big screen.... at least to me.
@ethanplaysroblox6253
13 күн бұрын
this dude's motto:say that 5 times
@Gelaviation
Ай бұрын
Hi!!! Remember when you said that you'd make a 777X video? Pls do that next? Btw, good video!
@drspangle13
Ай бұрын
16:30 Where's the link to check out the book? I don't see it in the description at all
@B_Balaji-Kvg.001
Ай бұрын
2:12 But isn't flying scotsman the first steam locomotive to cross 100 mph??
@dhroman4564
Ай бұрын
36 seconds in and the first mistake, Engines were from a B-47 complete with pod. B-47 had J47 engine B58 had J79.
@PaulMcElligott
4 күн бұрын
7:16 If this is an actual photo of the engines used, they are clearly not from a B-58. I don’t even see how anyone could think they were. Seeing how electric trains can now hit 225mph with greater efficiency, this was always going to be a technological dead end.
@RACECAR
Ай бұрын
$30,350 might be the least amount of money spent on one of these wild projects.
@bthsr7113
Ай бұрын
Ah, the twin jet engine cowling is certainly evocative of an age.
@orlandoclark8062
Ай бұрын
Interesting train👍
@edutaimentcartoys
Ай бұрын
nice video... nice animation
@clangerbasher
Ай бұрын
Vi count with i being lengthened as in high. Not vis-count.
@lavawolf666
Ай бұрын
the engine from one of the the internal twin nacel of a boeing b47 stratojet or a comvair b-36 pacemaker.. not a b58 those would have after burners
@SirHenryMaximo
Ай бұрын
2:18 You just became a worthy opponent for Eminem!
@machendave
Ай бұрын
So the jet mounted over the front of the train. How thick is the shielding used to prevent the aluminium roof from melting?
@absiddique139
Ай бұрын
Made one about Soviet N1 Rocket 🚀
@r3ttgaming177
Ай бұрын
It's a darn good thing these trains never "took off" if you ask me!
@danielkennedy5602
Ай бұрын
Seems like this concept would have worked better underground like a coast to coast subway.
@RootzHasTanks
Ай бұрын
This is definitely what New York needs
@indigohammer5732
Ай бұрын
Vickers Visscount? FFS!
@ABrit-bt6ce
Ай бұрын
Beginning to think he and Simon Whistler are voiced by bots.
@indigohammer5732
Ай бұрын
@@ABrit-bt6ce Absolutely! If it's not a Bot, then I despair at the level of public ignorance being proudly displayed. Welcome to the future!!
@The_DuMont_Network
Ай бұрын
@@indigohammer5732Alas, the future is now.
@doltsbane
Ай бұрын
I imagine someone also realized that the airlines they were competing with could put jet engines on their vehicles too, go even faster, and not have to deal with constant track maintenance or inflexible routes.
@madnar9
Ай бұрын
It’s Action Chugger - wheels to the rails!
@herbertkeithmiller
Ай бұрын
Someone asked what if we put jet engines on a train? And everyone who lives next to a rail line said no, I would like to still be able to hear
@UnknownDislikeThat
Ай бұрын
“This video is brought to you by square-“ YEAH YEAH WE KNOW
@akmalhafiz8763
Ай бұрын
Transportation option in the US is absolutely limited.
@MrCateagle
Ай бұрын
It would be interesting to revisit the concept with modern turbofan engines for better fuel economy and, with suitable mixing nozzles, would have a much reduced exhaust temperature. If you really want the minimal exhaust tempeeature possible, use the components of a modern turbofan arranged according to the aechitecture of the Garrett ATF-3 engine which was used for its minimal thermal signature in Noerhrop's Tacit Blue "stealth" demonstrator. Oh, the turboprop (well, turboshaft reall) locomotive was tried by 16:55 United Aircraft with the Turbotrain; it was not successful.
@ruben1580
3 күн бұрын
I'm no engineer but found it easy to guess why this wasn't a good idea lol :D
@tflemming287
Ай бұрын
How much research and common sense do you have? Do you not think the J47 turbines on the M-497 look much much smaller than the J79 turbines on the B-58? Oh! That would be because they’re different turbines completely. J47s were used on B-36 Peacemakers amongst others.
@jjthomas2297
Ай бұрын
The B 58 used J 79 engines, not J 97. There is no such thing as a J97. How much common sense do YOU have?
@mclaggen6144
Ай бұрын
One thing to remember when talking about NA steam speed records is none were measured by a dyno car so numbers were not fully accurate though it is speculated that the PRR had trains that did 130+ which would put them well above mallard's record On that note though the 1893 record was not an official record. Even NYC's own engineers doubted 999 would be able to achieve that speed and NYC and the PRR were in a pissing contest for who had the fastest trains at the time so it is highly contested weather or not it's true because the fastest trains at the time only did mid to high 80's
@garth6522
Ай бұрын
Surely this would be about 1/100th as efficient as a diesel engine simply driving the wheels
@DEADB33F
Ай бұрын
Can it even be classed as a "train" if there's only a single carriage?
@Aahmpower
Ай бұрын
More as a locomotive, but i guess they left the carriage problem for later
@liamthompson8563
Ай бұрын
Wow Mustard your voice has changed!
@liamthompson8563
Ай бұрын
🤭🤭
@liamthompson8563
Ай бұрын
🤭🤭🤭🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ultimatefreedom6283
Ай бұрын
imagine this with todays technology,and every time the train goes into a tunnel the jet engines hide like a landing gear while a diesel engine keeps runing the train in the tunnel,and when comes out,jet engines come out again,......greetings from Lima Peru......
@TheLocomotiveEngineer
Ай бұрын
I've always suspected that the Pyke Syndicate repulser train drew some inspiration from this
@elemental_gaming
Ай бұрын
OMG the next video is about Su-75 Checkmate
@colour3340
12 күн бұрын
Pushing on ground to move forward is more efficient than pushing on air
@Brianbri-nq3cc
Ай бұрын
No way that would actually work long-term without those tracks being totally rebuilt and the train wheels being remade as well for speed🥺
@5K00O
Ай бұрын
Hopefully Brightline will beat the fastest US train record.
@nemesis7774
Ай бұрын
So, the Aerotrain but not on a monorail and on the other side of the Atlantic and it didn't lost to a high speed classic train program ?
@MrCateagle
Ай бұрын
Aerotrain was an attractive concept but the passenger cars were based on GM buses and just couldn't take the pounding of railroad operations. I would love to see that engine mated with suitable passenger cars built by Budd.
@zachsmith5216
Ай бұрын
Engines are also from the B-47
@aurorajones8481
Ай бұрын
Its funny how all the best stuff happened in the 60's and we have not progressed since then... flight, ground, sea... the only real progress we have made is in fractionalizing things for monetary gain and electronics. But nothing else has been progressed. Id argue our social structure is far worse now. What a loss.
@gildedbear5355
Ай бұрын
That's not really true though. The first half of the 20th century saw the development of a bunch of new technologies; jet engines, airplanes, nuclear bombs and power, intermodal freight, mass produced automobiles, electronic computers, radar, radio, television, rocketry, automatic weapons. Then the second half was spent refining those technologies. The reason, in my opinion, that so much good stuff was developed in the 60's is that people were experimenting to see what they could do with all of those new technologies. Once they found the things that could be done with the technology at the time AND actually worked then they worked to make those things better.
@serdarcam99
Ай бұрын
Any running train in the north america can be considered as fastest in north america
@grahamnash9794
Ай бұрын
Fine way to travel if you didn't care about a loss of hearing. How loud do you reckon it got inside that thing? Anyone been in a rear engine airliner, and sat at the back would know where I'm coming from.
@user-jh6ik1qd7p
Ай бұрын
please make a video about the 1910 coanda, first ever "jet" biplane to possibly ever fly that was created before ww1.
@Sunglass_Man
Ай бұрын
You forgot to mention that another big reason why the black beetle never worked, is because with how much thrust and speed the train had, it Actualy kicked up track ballast. which not only would require the track to be re-ballasted, but also would hit bystanders at stations and crossings, and also passing trains, which could result in bad consequences
@georgelewington358
Ай бұрын
Please can you do a video about the f35 and its variants A/B/C/I
@taitano12
Ай бұрын
MAN that thing would be loud. You think trains make too much noise now? Imagine that with a jet engine that's louder than current train horns. Yeesh!
@bisiroberto
Ай бұрын
Looks more like the Boeing B-47 Stratojet pair of turbines.
@awesomefan86
Ай бұрын
You dont have to change signal systems. In germany you can drive 160kph with the Standart train security system (Indusi/PZB). Faster trains like IC/ICE use a train security system called LZB. All informations are shown on display in the cab. This system is is quit old from the 60/70s
@merafirewing6591
Ай бұрын
Use mph instead that heathen number.
@awesomefan86
Ай бұрын
@@merafirewing6591 use brain
@carmatic
Ай бұрын
Aren't there trains today using jet engines? not using the thrust directly, but using the power from the shaft to drive an electric system
@NonsensicalSpudz
5 күн бұрын
i forget america doesn't have any speed high speed rail, even though like a LA to NY would be perfect for such a train
@lucacafissi7265
Ай бұрын
Can u make a video abaout the soviet version of the jet train the ER22
@jur4x
Ай бұрын
correction, Soviet jet-train was built out of ER22 cars. But ER22 was quite common EMU. A facelift, if you wish, of an even more iconic ER2.
@rmax80
Ай бұрын
The Soviet Union conducted such experiments in the 1960s. Is the US 60 years behind in development?
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